Miss Me? - I Disagree with Cracking On

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss the Oasis reunion, Love Island lore and whether women can have it all.This episode contains very strong language, adult themes, strong sexual references and discussions about sexual abuse and abortions. If you have been affected by any of the issues raised, you can find support via the BBC Action Line: https://bbc.co.uk/actionline/ Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

BBC Sounds music radio podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, adult themes, strong sexual references and discussions about sexual abuse and abortions. Hello and welcome to Miss Me with Lilith Allen and Makita Oliver. I was about to use my rapper name from when I was a kid. I don't remember, we were like, use your initials. I think TLC had done it and my initials were M.O I think I was Mo, just for a minute. Well, there we go. Um, hi. Hi.

What a week. What a week. I don't know how you have any energy today, because as we said, it was quite the week of the backlash and the opinions and then you're rehearsing and having to have a nervous breakdown as head I finally done it I just had to do it I'm sorry I know we're like wait until you stop I just had to Google what this bloody play is about oh yes and oh my god the main

thing that keeps coming up is that it's sort of a journey through a breakdown. And I imagine that that's been quite a lot on your shoulders. And I know you said that. It's a lot of repression, for sure. I mean, a lot of people have said to me that she's basically a sort of like an artist that has no creative outlet. Yes. And so she's just very sort of, you know, weighed down. And it's very heavy on her and she doesn't deal with it in a particularly good way.

They said, well, something I read said that she was manipulative. Was that just a bad AI explanation? Bit rude. No, she's definitely a bit manipulative. That's the thing I'm finding really hard to connect with. Actually. I'm like, Ah! If only I could get there. If only I could method this.

No, it said a woman of aristocratic background who finds herself trapped in a mundane marriage. So, um. Well, as you can see, it's a challenge. Absolutely. Funny you could live some of this fast, for fuck's sake. Lady Lily over here could tap into that. But your wonderful assistant, who I love very much, I'm going to play tennis with soon,

said that it's either sold out or either way, we can't get in. That's what she said. Listen, I can't really think about anything except for the quite large amount of lines that are meant to be. You know, it's 110 pages of dialogue or some bullshit. So I, yeah, my brain's not really working. Also, I think I've broken my hand today. I'm gonna have to go and get it x-rayed tomorrow. Oh, this is in all the like physicality

of the rehearsals, right? Yeah, I punched a sofa that isn't really a sofa. It's a wooden structure that's meant to look like a sofa. And I think I broke my hand, so that's cool. And then Will just told me that your rotator cuff is broken and that's not why you're gonna play paddle with us, so I didn't know that had happened. When did you hurt your arm?

I have got bad rotator cuff. That's been like that for a long time since I last went snowboarding. My rotator cuff's been a bit up. That's why I can't really play tennis or any of those other sports that I really miss. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's why I'm not on the Babington court anymore.

But Lil, you have to get this sorted because mum broke her rotator cuff falling down the stairs when she first moved into this house a few years ago. Obviously she's a chef, she works with her arms. I don't know what you want me to do except for go to the gym five times a week and build the muscles that support it. That's what I'm doing.

No. That's what my physio has told me to do. So. You have to get an operation. No, I have not got the time, quite frankly. I haven't got the time. Okay. I haven't got the time to look after myself.

That's a worrying comment on the day we're gonna talk about women having it all. Are we gonna talk about women having it all? So you didn't do your research. I have not done any research. That's fine. You've got lines to live. I'll be honest.

I haven't done any research. I was rehearsing every day got lines to learn. I'll be honest. I haven't done any research. I was rehearsing every day of the week and then I did a big photo shoot on Saturday. Can't tell you what for. And now I had half for Sunday. I slept for quite a lot of it. Gracie, my cousin, turned up. She'd been out all night, turned up at 11 o'clock. Oh, sorry. Nine o'clock in the morning.

What? And Iris was there. They were both just loafing around the flat being useless. up at 11 o'clock, sorry, nine o'clock in the morning. What? And Iris was there, they were both just loafing around the flat being useless. And I was like, right, I've got to get these girls out. So we went out and bought ingredients for a roast. I made a roast, it was banging. And my friend, Livia came over and this week I've just been in rehearsal.

So I just haven't really, haven't had a minute to do any research, sorry. No, but that's fine. But this is actually on paper, the sound of a woman who has it all. Is it now? Yeah, man. You're like looking after your kid.

I mean, I know the kids are with Sam at the moment, they're with their dad, but like make it, I know that they're going to camp soon, organizing all that, rehearsing for the play, doing this podcast with me, looking after Gracie and Mel, having a good time, going out. Like this is apparently what having all is.

Yeah, I've got it all, you're all right. I've got it all. What am I talking about? I'm on top of the world. But this is, it was actually a phrase coined by Helen Gurley Brown. Do you know who she is? No, no idea.

Helen Gurley Brown, Lil. Okay, so she was the editor of Cosmopolitan, when Cosmopolitan was like relevant and forward thinking. And in 1965, I think she joined, she was editor for like 32 years. It is said that she was at the forefront of like the sexual revolution, the working women's revolution,

and she had some heady quotes that we were all taught as women in the 60s to live by. And I've been looking at some of them, and I'm like, these are fucking fantastic. Like nothing, I would still live like this. This is what Helen Gurley Brown says about, there is no substitute for brains plus charm and hard work. Sounds like Lily Allen to me.

Charm, I don't know. You're a charming bastard, don't start with me. Oh, wow. Go back to Helen Gurley Brown. Marry a decent, good, kind person who will cherish you. Yeah, good advice. Yes. Take that.

This is good. There is no way to succeed and have the lovely spoils, money, recognition, deep satisfaction in your work, except to put in the hours, do the drudgery. If you give, you get. If you work hard, the hard work rewards you. So it's quite interesting that this, we're sort of told that women had a long way to go

in the 60s to think in a modern way about the lives they wanted to live and how they wanted to exist in the world. But all of this- Is this advice for women? Yes. Not just people in general? No, she was very much like a sort of-

Because I'd say that a lot of men don't do the work and don't put in the effort, but still somehow end up being rewarded. Well, I can imagine that having it all for a man feels very, very different. And I imagine they don't even have to have that conversation as much or ask that question because having children as well as everything else in your life as a man,

I don't think looks like it gets in the, it's not meant to get in the way of anything for you. But really, when we're talking about having it all, people are talking about balancing a career and having kids. But it can look very different for everyone. It could be travel and freedom and creativity. But I do feel like you're banking quite a lot of the having it all at the moment.

It's really like great to see. I appreciate that. I do feel very lucky. My life is pretty good on the face of it. I've got a job, I've got creative outlet, my kids are relatively happy. We all communicate pretty well with each other. I feel like I'm breaking some sort of like generational trauma cycles, you know, not all

of them for sure, but it's definitely... No, no, we've got to keep some, keep the special ones. Some work has been done there. Haven't had therapy for three weeks, feeling it a little bit, be honest, I'll be honest. Yeah, my therapist has just gone away for three weeks I'm like don't leave me please not now not now. I could do I could do it with a hug a cuddle. Yeah but I do think that having it all for me would definitely be the freedom to make whatever I want to make that's how I feel frustrated I'm like why do I why can't I just make whatever I want to make I know my ideas are good why do I even have to push I should just have the avenues want to make? I know my ideas are good. Why do I even have to push? I should just have the avenues open to me

all over the place to produce and direct and write all the shows that I wanna make and build the business I wanna make. Like, I don't know if I'll ever get to that place. Maybe Tom Hanks is in that place, or like Brad Pitt. Maybe those people can just make whatever they wanna make, but- Brad Pitt's not a great example.

Maybe not Brad Pitt with the film he's just made, maybe he really can't make what he wants to make if he feels like it. Well also he's fumbled about Angelina Jolie and his beautiful family and quite a... Someone else told me this about Brad Pitt the other day, I didn't know that we, I didn't know that Brad Pitt was... It's interesting actually because I did read, I think it was an article in maybe the Act of Vanity Fair, I was talking about the alleged incident that happened between Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie and his family. Excuse me, can you just tell me what it is? I don't know, what allegedly happened?

They got in a sort of altercation on a flight and I think that, you know, there was sort of, I think, like, maybe he poured a drink on her or something. And then one of the kids got involved. And anyway, that she, you know, called the FBI or something the next day, the FBI got involved anyway, because it was on an airplane. I think that there was like, anyway, cut a long story short, Anyway, cut a long story short, Vanity Fair did this piece, I think maybe last week or maybe the week before, saying that his public persona has been going through a sort of like rehabilitation process

that is attached to the new Formula One film that he is in. And that it's not so much that we're still upset with him for what he allegedly did to Angelina Jolie, but it's just, we just don't care. Ah, yes. And that is brutal, really, isn't it? Well, why would we not care?

Because the world has been so invested in who we believed him to be for so long. Yes, and also, you know, people have a, Angelina Jolie is a very self, on the surface, or on the face of it from what we know of her, very self-assured, asserts herself, and attaches herself to left-wing causes on the whole. She's got this, family that she's accumulated over the years.

She's quite an overtly sexual woman, I would say as well. Incredibly beautiful. And she likes to wrecks and writes and produces and shit. Exactly. She's accomplished. So she should be taken down at all costs. Fuck yeah. Down straight. Patriarchy says no. And that's interesting. And Brad Pitt, you know, represents something else, which is like, you know, the all American hero, hero, good guy, family guy.

Absolutely. You know, when you are confronted with something that threatens that idea, ideology, it's much easier to just, you know, look down on the woman that's involved rather than hold the man accountable, I think. We should say that Brad Pitt and his representatives have consistently refuted claims of physical

and verbal abuse towards Angelina Jolie and their children, particularly those related to that 2016 private plane incident that you're talking about, Lil. But it is interesting when it's women on women, because I watched the Call Her Daddy documentary. Call her Alex. Call her daddy. What a phenomenon this thing is in America. When you were there, did you feel the rise of it? Because it was 2018 it started. I did hear people talking about it quite a lot. I've never, I don't really have much time for podcasts where celebrities are being interviewed. Right. Okay. So it's, when it starts though, it really is just like, you know, we talk about sex.

And I was like, really, is that all anyone had to do? Was there really no one talking about sex in 2018? No women talking about sex, obviously not. But I mean, they don't just talk about sex, they like give blowjob tips as well. But I suppose it's about being raw. Maybe I should listen to it. No, but I think we should jump on raw. Maybe I should listen to it. No, but I think we should jump on the bandwagon

and finally do blowjobs for Listen Bitch, but that's another conversation. Wait a second, have we not already? No, I've been sitting here. I've been sitting on this blowjobs subject. Okay, well now we know what to do next week. Actually, I don't know if I can handle it right now. Yeah, see, and then we go there,

but just don't overthink it. Because listen to how successful this woman became after talking about blowjobs. I was like, I can talk about blowjobs. But no, it's her and her friend. It's her roommate. But interestingly, there's quite a lot of darkness. It's a two-part, and in the first half, you find out that she was like a really accomplished athlete. She was a female soccer player, football, but not American football.

They're our football. And she has a really normal relationship with her teammates and her coach, and then things change. And her female coach, she accuses of sexual harassment. And again, again, I did it. I was like, well, what actually happened? And it was like, she tells the story and I was like, well, and then it's like, no, Makita, imagine, imagine harassment is such a tricky one because it's so easy to make you feel

like you're making it up and that it's all in your head, especially coming from a woman who's your coach and you're very young. I imagine it was really, really confusing. This woman sort of asking her questions about her love life and her sex life constantly, always asking her to ride in the car with her to games and to be alone with her as much as possible.

I don't think the, I think the only physical touch is like a touch on her leg one day, but it freaks her the fuck out. She also starts to punish Alex Cooper. This is all Alex Cooper, who's the host of Call Her Daddy, punish her for not responding in the right positive way to these advances and start sidelining her and keeping her off,

keeping her out of games. When her parents finally understand that this is personal and there is a sexual element to it, they go to the Dean of Sports. I think that's what he's called. The Dean of Sports. The Dean. And they say, what do you want?

As in, what can we do to shut you the fuck up because we're not gonna do anything to bring this woman out? I in, what can we do to shut you the fuck up because we're not gonna do anything to bring this woman out. I mean, we can't help you here. And Alex Cooper, I think, has written throughout her diary every single instance where she is made to feel uncomfortable. She has complete proof and evidence, and she is distressed, obviously distressed.

So she leaves, and that whole part of her career is just over, and this woman, I Googled it, was working till 2022 with young women, like coaching them. Why did she stop working? Was it because of the accusations or just because she got old? I think it's more retired. I think it's more retired. Like I don't think any, I don't think, I mean, this documentary has just come out and I think this story hasn't been out until now. But yeah, very brave of Alex Cooper to tell that story.

And it was just, I was just very interested in it. I wasn't expecting that part of her story. And I suppose it leads a bit into, you know, just a year later, she's making this podcast that is all about sex and about being honest. And I guess having some autonomy back to her sexuality and who she is after feeling harassed and what a fucking success it becomes.

But now, Lil, because we should really look at this business model, okay? Because I was like, it's not that different from Miss Me. We talk about real shit as well. And she does it with like Barstool or something for like two years and then signs with Spotify for three years for 65 million. And now she sold it to something called SiriusXM

for like 125 million. But she's also like built a network now where she is, I mean, her words, hang on, her words, creating a network called the Unwell Network. And it's essentially making more podcasts with other people, a lot of them reality stars, who are unapologetically living in their mess. So rather than diluting the call her daddy brand by trying to like cater to every niche, she's decided to invest in it.

Really lean into it. Really fucking lean in and make the big bucks. But I was just like, this all seems so off. Yeah, man, but it all feels so obvious, Lil. What? Like, talk honestly about sex and life, yeah, sure. And then like make other podcasts with people doing the same. Fine. It's just interesting when something catches fire.

You can never really put your finger on what will. Yeah, I mean, I think it's just also just belief in yourself, isn't it? Yeah, she's very American in that way. But now she has water for fuck's sake. She's doing unwell hydration. She's not fucking around. Good for her.

To go back to, I wanted to know about this. So what do you think about us looking at women from the 60s and just from a different time and looking at those brilliant women like Helen Gurley Brown, Diana Vreeland. I watched her documentary which is called The Eye Has to Travel. And she used to have a how, no, why don't you column?

And the advice is fucking ridiculous, but kind of fantastical and amazing. One of them is why don't you wash your blonde baby's hair in champagne to keep it gold like the Parisians do? I was like, Oh, I love that. And the other one was good. She said, why don't you paint a map of all four corners of the world on your children's bedrooms so they don't live, so they don't have a provincial point of view? What does that mean? It means that you're always living in a state of mind as in like the world is a very big place

full of very different people and to be very open to meeting all those different people and traveling a lot. Like in her day, Diana Vreeland in the 60s, all they were talking about was how to, teaching women and wives was how to make pies. And she was like, who cares about pie when there's Russia? I was like, yeah, fuck. Yeah, good point.

It's a very good point. So I think if we're stuck with how to live, I might start going back to those trailblazing women of the 60s and 70s, because actually they were very modern thinking. To be honest, I have to say, I think we're quite modern and forward thinking. Everything I watch is just about building a fucking brand. Yeah, I know. I think that, sure, I'd like to be mega, mega, mega rich billionaire, whatever. But then also, not really. I feel like I wouldn't be able to express myself

in the way that I do if I had that as a mindset, you know? So you don't wanna be rich and powerful? No, I do. And I'm really curious about, you know, money and power, but I've also just sort of been like, I've just never really been like into the private jet lifestyle. I've never, I've never really had like

those kinds of aspirations. And I've always thought because I like to express myself freely in the way that I do, that I will never be able to do that. You know, I will never have those big brands wanting us to associate with me because, you know, I talk about not being able to remember how many abortions I had. Like, that's the... Yeah, that's the tussle.

Yeah. I'm not... And I don't really... You know, sometimes I sit there and I think, oh, fuck, you know, life would be so much easier if I just sort of played the game and, you know, and was a good little girl that said the right things and didn't piss people off. But I still feel like, you know, it's, it's our civic duty to do that. And it's hard, you know, it is hard. It's really difficult being like sort of swimming, you know, upstream in a fucking sea of hateful comments. It's really like it's it is stifling. Yeah, we were joking earlier, but it has been a really fucking hard week or two. And it's been a hard 20 years, babe.

I'll be honest. Yeah, so it's like Daily Mail article article one it's been tough since then. I remember being offered media training and I just thought I don't want that I don't want to be taught how to work within the confines of it that's not what I'm here to do. I completely agree I think if we I think you and I have never been very good at keeping our mouths shut. Now it's really working in our favour. So turn your gobbeness into power. That's what they're doing. But again, it's a little bit like with the comments of, you know,

we've had in the wake of these abortion comments. It's not really about the thing, because, you know, lots of people have abortions. And so it's not really about the thing that they know lots of people have abortions and so it's not really about the thing that they are sensationalizing it's about that audacity of having of expressing it yes and also expressing it in a way that they don't feel is right fuck off and being a woman it's like how dare you find humor in these things you're meant to be ashamed and scared.

Yes. And if you don't feel ashamed and scared, we're gonna do everything that we can to push you back there. And guess what, it works, you know? I read a lot of that stuff last week and when I was young and I thought, fuck, I'm a bad person, but am I?

No, I'm actually a good person. People that are my friends and my family know that I'm a good person. A lot of people that listen to this show know that I'm a good person. I mean, by the way, I also have to say that for every horrible comment that we've had, I've also had countless women messaging me saying that it's made them, it's alleviated them of their guilt and shame around this particular thing. So, absolutely. So for every, it's like for all the millions of other women who have made a decision about their body and that, I mean, if you wanted to have a baby with some of the fucking assholes I didn't want to have a baby with, that's fine, that's

up to you. But I didn't want to have a baby with them and start a family with them. And I made that choice for myself. I don't even want to get into a conversation about that. It's about control. And it's not even about control of our bodies. I understand that. It's something that I feel like I've been aware of for a long time. It's wanting to have control over our minds and our way of thinking and the way that we feel and relate to ourselves. And that is, I can't abide it. I can't tolerate it.

I used to really, what really used to rile me up when I was young and being covered by the tabloids a lot is like, you know, Lilly suffers embarrassing nip slip. I'd be like, you can't possibly tell me that I am embarrassed. Only I can tell you whether that is embarrassing because it's my feeling to own. I'm not embarrassed. But that must be quite strange, Lil,

to feel that people have said that about you or to you before you even have a voice for so long. Like even just as something as simple as that, like this is embarrassing, look her nipple came out. Like just to have that relentlessly, that kind of dialogue put on you or shaped around you. Yes, it does. And also it's just fucking annoying.

Exhausting. I think it is time for a break after all that abortion chat. Yeah, Lily, shut up. Let's have a break. Shall we talk about Oasis? The boys are back in town. The boys are back in town. Yeah, I didn't know it was gonna be now.

I thought it was later in the summer. I was a bit like, did it just happen? But then I don't think I realized it was a whole tour. I thought it was just a one-off. No, no, no, it's a world tour. It's a world tour. Well, what I did do was watch every single Oasis documentary that the BBC put on just to get everyone all,

just to whet our appetites. And that was fun remembering like, just how fucking powerful and big this band was. Did you watch the supersonic one? Yeah, man. I watched them all. I mean, it's such a good story. Oasis is such a good story.

And you know what? When they were younger, I didn't really think about it, but like, they really were, even Noel was quite fit at some points. I didn't know- Noel're still fit. Hi Noel. Yeah, no great looking guys. I mean the story is the rock and roll tale of our times. Beautiful men came from very hard working class family. I think there's like their dad was like allegedly violent. They have this lovely mother Peggy Irish lady who they always wanted to make

proud. I mean Super Sonic had some great old footage and then they, you know, become the biggest band in the world. And then tell people. I saw a clip where someone was like, you just got to respect being able to say, we're the best band in the world over and over again. And it wasn't arrogant. It was, I guess, true. True. I mean, Noel wrote some fucking corkers. Didn't he just? He really did. What's your favorite Oasis song, Lily Allen? I don't know.

You know what? Stand By Me is a real favorite of mine. I used to listen to that on my Discman at boarding school a lot. In fact, you know what? They always are kind of responsible for me singing because I was singing along to Wonderwall in my school playground when Rachel Santesso,

the stand-in music teacher that was covering for the English teacher who was also drama. And anyway, Rachel Santessa came in and she heard me singing in the playground along to Wonderwall. She was like you've got a nice voice do you want to do some singing lessons and we'll prepare a piece. So yeah. Stop. That is so magical. That is so kismet because it what if she wasn't standing in that day. Wow. Rachel saw something. Rachel saw something. And yeah, pick up Rachel for that. But yes, so there's been much talk about what the motivation is

for Oasis getting back together. People being surprised that it might be money. Like, how much money do you think they're making? What we're talking? Fuckton. I mean it costs a lot of money to put on a tour to be fair. But they are playing, I think that Cardiff is 75,000 capacity. So I don't know. I don't know what... 400 million. Thank you Dino. 400 million pounds. Yeah, but reports are reports. Okay, but let's say if we're working with that figure and let's say, let's literally put like 30 million to putting on the show, that's still-

Well, let's say, hang on, how many other band members are there in Oasis? I think there are four. I guess the others are probably what, on day rates or on retainers. And then I reckon they probably got 100 crew, 120 crew that they're taking with them. I'd say probably about 22 lorries, 22 trucks, five bosses, 60,000 lights. So let me just-

No, but I used to, I find it so interesting when you do behind the scenes on a tour thing. Sometimes I would go behind the scenes on tours for work, usually like McFly, nothing too cool here. And there's a fuck of a lot of people to put on these shows, especially a tour of this size. So really, they're probably pocketing what? 100 million each, Noel and Liam, around there. Yeah.

So what's that? 40 million and 40 million after tax? And then Noel's got to give 20 of that to his ex-wife. It's a fairer. It's actually not really working out that way. It's actually not really worth it. For two years on the road. Okay.

I would say motivation is also, and not just ego, but also what's the word? What is the right word? When I watched the Liam Gallagher documentary, I really did go down a rabbit hole. When I watched his documentary, I can't remember, what's it called? Be Here Now. And he has a really difficult time after Oasis Stop. It's fucking horrible. He very quickly segues into The Laughing Birds or no, no, that's not what was Liam's. It was BDI, yeah. Yeah, that was it. That was it. That was it. BDI, we're talking like weeks after Oasis stopped. Like it's really all quite rushed.

And he's like, yeah, yeah, let's just do this. And then the venues start getting smaller and smaller. And he does this interview on ITN News. And the first thing this idiot interviewer says is, oh, I bet you're not used to this. This is so much smaller than what you're used to. And he looks really embarrassed and scared. And it's really hard to be in Oasis, I bet you're not used to this. This is so much smaller than what you're used to. And he looks really embarrassed and scared. And it's really hard to be an oasis, I imagine.

And then very quickly, he actually says it. He's like, you know, it didn't work. And I just thought it would and it didn't. He also had a clothes label, Pretty Green. That did all right. That was all right. That was him just sort of like, you know, kind of about and up to bits.

But this, this, reminding yourself that you have this power and that you're this loved and you did this, like, I think that's priceless. Okay. Yeah. Well done, boys. Well done, boys. Well done, boys.

Who will follow suit next? I imagine it would be the witch. I don't think anyone... There's not like anticipation for a band like OASA. I mean people were fucking devastated when they said that they weren't gonna break up, they weren't gonna be together again. Not even like Take That or The Spice Girls or like... I mean they did have a reunion and it wasn't as big

a deal. No, it wasn't as big a deal. I think the fight helps. Do you know what I mean? The tension helps the fallout. Yes, which is why they're, you know, it's the, and they will be playing on that, you know, it's like, Oh, Liam comes straight off stage and gets into a car and Noel goes somewhere else. It's like, yeah, they're two separate people. What do you think they're going to do? Like go back to...

Yeah, like skip out holding hands. Hotel DuVan together and just like climb into bed and have an oval teen and watched Love Island. No, hopefully. You know, hopefully. My story. Fuck it. I watched Love Island for the first time last night. Oh, this isn't the time to join. It's like, I don't think this is, I mean, I'm sure it's fucking huge still. I really don't like the, what is it they say, cracking on.

I really don't like that terminology. I think that this should stop. I mean, I know that's audacity for me to come to the game at this point and say yes. I disagree with crack on. We've done this. I realize I probably get more backlash for that than the abortion comments quite frankly. But what is cracking on? Is it hitting on someone? I'm going to go crack on with her.

Yeah. Or does it mean having sex? No, it's like that's, you know, they're getting on with it. They're getting on with it as in doing the deed, cracking on. Well, they're like, you know, shoving their tongues down each other's necks for the cameras. Like, that's what it's all about. It's always really weird, though. It's so weird.

It's so weird in Love Island. It's always just so unsexy and weird. I remember there was that whole sucking tits fiasco. I know this because I watched Love Island on Google box with my mom. And there was this whole thing. It was like, on what other where where else in the world suddenly we'd be even having a conversation about sucking tits it's just like it's a very little strange microcosm of I guess it's been going on for fucking years though how long has Love Island been

on I think about 10 years if you include celebrity Love Island with which is how it started I think yeah in the old days maybe even 15 years at this point but I mean you know they've rebranded it. They've got Maya now and she's you know because she's so successful I think it gives it a kind of new gloss but it's interesting how the ideas not run out of ideas I guess we'll always be interested in. I watched it with my young cousins. They fucking love it. Iris has even got like a whole TikTok account where she does impressions of,

or like she makes up her own Love Island characters. What? It's funny. Yeah. Okay, Iris. She's just like standing on the street in Swansea and she'll be like, you know, her friend be filming her and she's like, hi, I'm Jeremiah. I'm a semi professional footballer from South East London.

I was just doing that. Yes. And then she'll be like, you know, I'm Jeremiah. I'm a semi professional footballer. Very good. Very love Island. I don't know if that is a real person or not, but anyway, she's Send it to me, Lil. Just send it to me. I'll send it to you. I'm a fucking fan, really hard. I'm gonna have to go to the hospital. No, episode's over. Lily needs to go to hospital.

Episode's over. Right, well we will see you on Monday. See you on the other side. We'll see you on the other side. Listen, bitch, the theme is nature and the natural world around us. Yeah, we're gonna have to do blow jobs after this. Fuck, we're doing nature. I know.

Makeda, what did you do that for? Because I'm really enjoying this summer and all the seasons and all the smells and the honeysuckle and the jasmine and I just feel very connected to nature and I'm living by the forest. Just get on board. It's summer. And then we'll do blow jobs.

We'll see you next week for Listen Bitch. Bye, Lil. Bye. A classic bye from Lily Allen. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneka production for BBC Sounds. If you've been affected by anything raised in this episode, go to bbc.co.uk forward slash action line.

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