Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Are You Willing To Ride?

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about success.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Have you ever thought about turning your side hustle into a proper business, but don't know where to start? Well, that's what we're doing on The Businessmen. I'm Ben Shepard, and with my mate, business partner and co-host, Joel Domit, we're launching a brand new venture. We're going into skin care. You can follow the highs and lows on our brand new podcast, The Businessmen, available on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, this episode of Miss Me contains some strong language and some adult themes. That voice only belongs to one person.

It's me, Lily Allen, everyone. I'm back. I mean, it's no big deal. I mean, we don't really give a fuck, but it's nice to change up the chair every now and then. So we thought, see if Lil's about, you know, with all her spare time at the moment, can she do this? And she was like, I've got time, babe.

I've got enough time. I've always got, well, not always. But today I do. You know, all these people, you know, when the album came out and you had the party and all these people like, sending me where she's going, it's so sweet that Lily invited you. I was like, excuse me, I'm her best fucking friend. It's also a sham.

Yeah, she's going to drop me all the album's done well. So, Lily Allen returns. And even though it's been great, God, it's been good to hear our voice around the world again. There's one thing that Lily Allen does that I'm personally excited to hear again. So Lily, if you could do your big brother voice for us. That's what I'm mainly excited about. Why? because I've got a big brother chair.

Now that your house looks a bit like a big brother set. Dear 24 in the Big Brother house. Incredible. Lily is in the diary room. Whoever that guy was. Mickey is such a fucking bitch. No, it is lovely to have you back. And we're going to talk about something

that you might be pretty familiar with now. Okay. What is it? The theme for this week's listen, bitches. Let's say it together. Success. Success. Oh, we'll yearn for it.

We'll hunger for it. But what does it feel like when it actually arrives? Are you asking me? No, I'm not asking you. We'll go into the questions. Let's have our first question for days. Listen, bitch. Lily Allen's fucking here.

Hi. This is just a really quick question for Lily. How does it feel to be like a bad fucking bitch? That's all I want to know. that's what I was trying to say thank you how does it feel to be a bad fucking bitch riding again gosh you know what it's so funny is that you know when she asks that question instinctively I feel like I have to make myself small

and be like I'm not a bad bitch because people get riled up by the idea of women standing in their power but you know what it feels fucking great and powerful and also it feels amazing to be getting the response from other women that my music has been helping them feel empowered and seen and heard and angry and full of rage and like they're not going to fucking take it anymore so yeah it feels great no more small no more small no more small no more small for me or for you So, no-uh, not this time.

It's the year of the horse next year, for fuck sake, we're riding. Let's have another question. Hopefully it's as good as that one. Hi, it's Amy from Sitting Born. I love the podcast. I just want to say I'm obsessed with Western Girl and I managed to get tickets to see you perform it at the O2. I'm so excited.

So my question about success is, does it feel really different with this album with regards to how success is measured? You have TikTok, a lot more social media, things go viral. This album obviously has gone very viral. It's been picked up in the press a lot. So does success feel completely different with this album than it did in the past with your others. Thank you, bye.

It's quite interesting, actually. I was thinking about that. Yeah, you know what? It doesn't actually. It feels different to albums two, three and four, but it feels very similar to album one. All right, still, era. which is when my, you know, music kind of came out of MySpace, which was also, you know, it was the sort of first example,

one of the first examples of music becoming successful from a website and the internet. So, you know, it was really driven by users and data from the internet, which was, you know, a new thing at the time. Obviously, the internet has been around for 20-something years or at least social media has been around for 20-something years. But yeah, it feels very similar in that, you know, on my first record, I didn't really feel like I had to do much of the work.

It felt like people, it was very organic and it was very much, you know, word of mouth. And that has, you know, been how this has felt. You know, albums two, three and four, I felt like I was, you know, a bit of a workhorse in terms of like, you know, doing a fuck sound and promo and flying around the world and going to, I haven't been to one radio station. I know at all. not been to one radio station yet. I'm very grateful for all of the radio play

that I've been getting. Thank you so much. And it's not that I haven't really wanted to go, but it's just it hasn't happened. You haven't needed to, and that's actually fine. The people have been doing it all for me, and I'm incredibly grateful and just so happy

that everyone's enjoying it and talking about it and doing its own thing. I can't believe we kept it a secret. I know. How the hell do we do that? because when Jordan first started on Miss Me, that was like when Lil was like, I'm going to go, like I'm going to leave and do my album.

And then in those few weeks, I thought that I'd probably fuck up and tell someone or that it just would come out. But it was very like you said you wanted it. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Bang! That's all it was like. That week was a bit crazy.

And we were having a really shit week, weren't we in that Wednesday when we had that dinner. Yeah, but I also think people assume that there was some strategy behind it. There really wasn't. The strategy was that, you know, the album, you know, usually when you make a record, you decide or, you know, the record company decides what the single is going to be and what you're going to service to radio.

And you then go and find the money to make a music video. And you hope that that music video and the servicing to radio will make an impact to drive sales towards an album. And we knew, I knew, that I didn't. couldn't find a starting point for a single. Like the whole album is a story, right, based on some experiences that happened in my real life. And so it didn't feel right to choose, you know,

the most upbeat song on the album because then you'd be entering the story at the wrong point. So it was like, okay, this thing has to come out altogether. And also it's a very small distribution deal that I have with BMG. so it wasn't like I had a huge pile of money to make videos with. So it was like, okay, this is the strategy is just to put it out there, see which songs people are drawn to, and then we'll go and make the videos and stuff.

But then, of course, we put it out there, and we didn't really get that data because people were listening to the whole thing from start to finish, which was a real shock and surprise. But also, like, amazing. It just felt The whole thing is just a fucking dream It's just a fucking dream shit in it

Did you see there was someone that said Like it's a bit like miseducation In that way of like you listen from start to finish And I was like Jesus Christ Well I think that might be going a bit too far But okay No I don't think so I don't fucking think so

I love you very much for saying that But yes thank you What's your favourite song on the album What the first song that I wrote for it It was a song called Just Enough, which is like the ballad of the album. And that will, you know, as soon as we wrote that song, I was like, okay, I think I know what I'm doing. And I think I know what this is. And then we wrote tennis, which was the second song.

We did both those songs in one day on the first day. And so those two will always, you know, hold a place of my heart. But to be honest, I think they're all fucking bangers. I think they're all fucking perfect. Jamie Lee Curtis She likes it Doesn't she? She's been doing my radio promo for me

Thank you Jamie That's what I'm saying When something catches fire It's like you know what Jamie Lee Curtis can just make this happen Cool Yeah that was great We love her

Okay Lily Alan It's so fucking delicious To have you back in this Well I don't know about this chair Where's the one that you had This was very expensive Piece of Design history I'll have you know

I can't remember the name of the designer But I know it's expensive It's fuck. But the other one is... The other one was on SNL, right? The one from early, Miss Me. Yeah, that's from my...

That's from my house, yeah. Yeah. Dino was gas. He was like, Miss me, Miss me, Dad, Miss me, Dad. Miss me, Jay on SNL. I was like, okay, cool. Let's have another question. Hi, Nikita, and who I can only imagine as Lily Allen.

Welcome back. If it's you, I'm assuming it's you. My name is Kat. I am reaching out from New York. I have had a very difficult relationship with success in my own career, also working in music. But my question is specifically, I guess, for Lily, with all of this success that is coming, how does it feel when the press has been eating you alive, Lily in particular,

but also both Makita and Jordan, six months ago or whatever, the press was still being awful to you and now they're eating out of your hands, I imagine it must feel really good in some ways, like, yes, fuck all of you. But at the same time, it also must feel like, what is the value in that? If success is measured by the press and by the audience and all of those things, and you get it, does it still feel complicated to you? Or does it just feel fucking good? Okay, thanks, guys.

Yes, that is the question, isn't it? That is the question. The question of the day. How's it feel? Okay, well, seeing as the question was directed at me, I will answer it. Yeah, it feels pretty weird. I like it, obviously. It's nicer than being shouted at and told that I'm a terrible person all the time.

But at the same time, I'm super aware because I have been here before that nothing is permanent. And although I'm trying not to act from a place of fear of everything turning, again. I am also aware that it will at some point. But I am just very committed to enjoying this moment and being present. How long do we think this moment is going to go on for? I think we've got quite an interesting two years ahead. Oh wow. That's being generous. I like that. I'll take it. I'll take two years. Do you really think that people couldn't even get like two years out of this kind of success anymore? You think it can be that fleeting now? Charlie's all right. isn't she? She's not going to suddenly have a duddy air.

That's going to go on for a while. I don't know. I don't know. Anything could happen. I think the point is just to enjoy, you know, be present. And when things are going well, just appreciate the fact that they're going well. And they are going well right now. I think in the past I have felt like I've wanted to control those, that, you know, and try and make sure that, you know, I can make it last for as long as possible. and that hasn't served me particularly well.

So I'm just, I'm just loving it, you know? And I'm just like looking forward to, fuck it, why not? You know, a few weeks ago, there were still three things that were going on. Like I had to, you know, preparing for SNL was the big thing. I'm doing a music video, which is, you know, a big thing. And also my tour starts in March. So those are the three things that I've been focusing on and I haven't really been thinking much beyond those things.

And, of course, raising children. Sorry, who? Sorry, no, I'm just playing with my very large diamond and emerald ring. What? What fucking diamond ring? This one, babes. That's an interesting, no, that's your right hand. Okay.

Did you buy yourself, well done me? I bought myself a little present, not really that little. Did you? Oh my God. I bought myself a little diamond. Not like that. Dimering from the narrow way in Hackney from the boss man, jewelers,

when I won Bake Off, so I get it. I totally get it. You've got to treat yourself. Celebrate these wins. I'm just going to, yeah, mark the moment. Absolutely. Absolutely. Did that answer the question?

Yeah, but I just wanted to talk about Estenel a bit. Was that terrifying? Was that quite scary? You know what? It really was. Very terrifying. And I think that you could see this. that in the performance.

And I didn't look at the internet for a couple of days afterwards because I thought, oh my God, everyone's going to be so horrible about my vocals. And then I did look on the TikToks. And I think people actually liked that it was a bit of a mess. Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as a bit of a mess, but it felt raw and real. Yeah.

I think that, you know, like I was singing about some pretty heavy things that have happened in the not so in the recent part. and, you know, I was in New York, which is where I lived for a while, and that was quite hard. And also being, having not done it for seven years, really. Yeah, Jesus. And doing it on such a massive platform. It was scary.

And I think that if I hadn't looked like I was a bit scared, people might have been a bit confused. I think they liked it and also feel, like, excited about, like, being part of a journey and coming to the tour and seeing how it evolves and seeing my confidence evolve as well. Exactly. That's exactly it. We're kind of at the beginning of something, aren't we?

As I said, I feel like this whole crazy trick, crazy train ride is going to go on for a few years. And it really is like the beginning of the next bit. I don't want to be so presumptuous as to say it's going to go on for a few years. But I'm very much enjoying this moment. I can say that it'll come for a few years. You didn't say shit. I said it. Okay.

And how's Josh O'Connor? He's so cute. He's so nice. He kept saying, he kept like running into, like, new people would arrive at the set, like my best friend, Dakota Johnson. And our other best friend, Dakota Johnson, sorry. I'll share this face. And he would go, you'll never guess what, Lily.

used to live in the same village as me in the Cots world, not realising that it's a really triggering subject matter for me. It's literally the worst thing that's ever happened to me is that I lost that house. And so every time he would bring it up, I'd be like, yeah, oh, I loved it there. We've covered that, Josh. I lost that house, remember?

Isn't it such a coincidence? And I still live there. Not Josh lives there. I do not. What is your show corner from like that neck of the woods? He's from that part of the country, yeah. Right. So yes, it was, but he was so sweet.

And I thought so good at the job. Not everyone kills it on SNL. And I thought he did a really, really good job. I thought it was really funny and really endearing. And the whole experience was just so lovely. I loved all the producers were so nice and so kind. And the stage manager was so lovely. and everyone just made it such a pleasurable, lovely experience.

And I'm not saying that just from like, oh my God, it was so great to be here. Like, it genuinely was really great. It's a tight ship. That's why it's been on TV for like 50 years or something, what, 40 years. Yeah, they really know what they're doing. They're not fazed by anything and they, you know, they're just like, it's just great and funny. Everyone, they're just being silly, being funny. Such a shame that we couldn't make our own, isn't it?

I think they are, aren't they? No, but we've discussed it, and it's not the same. Let's have another question about success on this Christmassy, cozy afternoon. Hello, guys, it's Laverne here from London. I just wanted to say you guys are awesome. I've been following for a while, along with all my girlfriends from Ealing. I wanted to know, in terms of success, is there any rituals that you guys do after? You've had some success in something.

I tend to go to one of my favourite places. I went there when it first opened to the shard to one of the restaurants there and I'll sit and I'll get a cocktail and something nice to eat and kind of celebrate that little success for myself. And I was wondering if you guys do the same, if you have any places you go or a ritual that you do. We buy diamonds, obviously, I just said. We like to have very expensive jewelry for ourselves.

No, I mean, I bought one ring and I don't know, I don't know whether Lily buys stuff for herself every time she, you'd be buying a lot of shit for yourself. Are you actually kidding me? Like, I have a tiny little bit of success and I'm convinced I'm a billionaire and I've been shopping like an insane person. What, right, recently?

Just all the time, all day long. Shop, shop, shop. You don't have much time right now so you must be hitting those shops hard quickly and efficiently. Hitting the shops hard. No, I'm, there's definitely some handbags have been bought. Sure. And some jewels have been bought.

And a car has been bought. Wait a minute, that wasn't bought. Yeah, HP. I don't ever, never, you know? I don't want everyone to hate me. This is a really tough time of year for people. I don't want to feel like, everything's great in a while. Let's not talk about that.

No, but that's why I think it's. It's really important that we talk about success today because obviously it's so beautiful, Lily, to see you just for this to be happening and to just to watch you shine and glow from inside and do what you're on this planet to do. But we both had really fucking horrible years. And I think it's really important to remember that, not just for you and I in our relationship, but just while we do this, it's like, yes, I personally am having a really wonderful time and I'm in I've landed on my feet in this really beautiful flower. but I worked really hard for this place and I had a terrible time and a lot of fire to go through to get to this place and so did Lily. So I think we can be real life guiders in that way or just life reminders that like,

even though it's good now, probably a ton of shit by spring. No, I think it's going to be good for a while. But we did have to go through fire to get to these glory places, right? Listen, it's peaks and troughs, like, you know, there are highs and lows. Like it's, yeah, it's been brutal this year

But it's also been amazing. So, you know, I can't complain. I'm very, very happy. I think it's time for a break. Have you ever thought about turning your side hustle into a proper business? But don't know where to start. Well, that's what we're doing on the businessmen. I'm Ben Shepard.

And with my mate, business partner and co-host, Joel Dommett, we're launching a brand new venture. We're going into skin care. You can follow the highs and lows on our brand new podcast, The Businessmen, available on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. Don't answer another question, you jolly little elf. Can we have another question, please?

I'll have another one. This is Rachel. This is literally the first time I've ever. written into a podcast, but I thought this topic of success was just such a good one. I couldn't help myself. So I'm a wedding photographer and I've been doing it for 10 years now. And my experience with success is this imposter syndrome that never goes away. And I think it comes in waves. I think there's some comfort in knowing that, especially for creative industries, everyone feels this a bit. So I'm not alone in that. It's a real shame because often you deserve to

be there. You deserve to be in the room if someone has hired you, especially in something creative. So I guess my question for you guys is what is your experience with imposter syndrome and have you had any good advice on how to deal with it that isn't just, oh, just ignore it and it'll go away because I don't think it ever does. Thank you. No, it doesn't. Not if you don't face that little monster in the eyes. I was talking about this with one today, Lil. Mum is going through it. And I said, don't worry. She's going through a little bit with her new book and has lost confidence. And she said, it's just unfamiliar and I don't like it. And I said, well, what does it being unfamiliar tell you? It tells you that this is rare. You're not faced

to grapple with your confidence in what you do very often. So if you are being asked to do it, it's time to look at the monster. And I had to do it this summer when everyone started, I started getting quite horrible messages on Instagram telling me that I was uneducated. and uninformed and ill-informed. And I didn't know how to get up and do my job again. It was bloody horrible. But the comfort I found in the unfamiliarity made me realize that it's quite rare.

So if you've got to look at the monster, it's time to look at the fucking monster. And then you get to the good shit. What was the actual question? How do you grapple with imposter syndrome? Do you get it, Lil? Yeah. I mean, my whole life feels like imposter syndrome.

I, um... Not this round. Not at 40, surely. Yeah, of course. I thought there'd be something about this round that you were like, right, okay, I guess I can do this. I know who I am now. There's a level of that as well. But, you know, the little voice is always there going, you don't deserve this. Your crap, you're an epa baby. You haven't got any talent. And, you know, it's hard to drown those voices out sometimes. But that's why you buy so many handbags.

That's why I buy so many how buy. I actually did EMDR therapy yesterday. today on my spending and it's how it's related to my sense of self-worth and we tried to separate the two so let's see how that goes yeah but accumulating you mean because my mom does it in waitrose my mom does it in the supermarket so I do understand that thing of um self-worth being directly focused in to what you buy and how you buy my mom buys like she's going to run out scarcity I think I try and get rid of it because I don't think that I deserve it the money Yeah. Careful, babe.

That's how I went bankrupt. I know. That's why I did some work on it yesterday. And what is EMDR again? EMDR therapy is, it's a special type of therapy. There's like, what do you call it? Like stimuli that stimulate the left side and the right side of your brain and basically try and, you know, create new pathways in relation to certain behaviors

or traumatic experiences or traumatic interactions with certain. human beings or anything really. So yeah, and I've been doing talk therapy for a long time and I started doing EMDR about four months ago, five months ago and it's like been life-changing. I just absolutely love it. So it's been in the background of all this new success this whole last few months.

Yeah. It's been great. Yeah, that might be quite a massive tool that you brought into your life for this crazy moment. Yes. That is my experience. I know there's many different types of therapy out there. I am not a doctor and I am not qualified to give that kind of advice.

But this is what is working for me currently. EMDR. Sometimes you just need to be like, what is the actual process? Well, you usually start by sort of deciding on what it is which area you're going to focus on during that session and then you visualize the experience and decide how, Well, basically, if you're trying to change your attitude towards a traumatic event, you try and think about how painful that event is from 1 to 10.

And then you activate the stimuli, which in my case is these two vibrating balls that I put in each hand. And you, you know, sort of close your eyes and put yourself in that situation and then try and identify what the feelings are that are coming up actually in your body and in your mind. And then you do that, you know, sort of five or six times and you find that the pain level associated with it goes down and down and down. If you're trying to get rid of a negative behavior like spending or drug taking or drinking or addiction to sex or whatever it is,

you do the opposite. You think of the good feeling that it brings up in your body and you try to disassociate that good feeling from, you know, your sense of self-worth or whatever. So if it's like, you know, in my case, a handbag, then you try and separate yourself from thinking, this handbag is going to make me a better person. Yeah, yeah, okay.

At the time feels, when you're looking at it and questioning it, obviously feels ridiculous, but that's got nothing to do with the feeling, right? You've got to sort of bring that. But it's really interesting type of therapy. I'm not really clear on the science. of how it works, but it seems to be working for me, so I'm very happy about it.

Good for you. I like when you're working on yourself. Thanks, babe. It's always good. It's a lifelong project. It's a lifelong project. Yeah, you, you're sexy bitch. You ask for the next question. You king of the world. Please, can we have the last question? I sound like shit, so you're probably not going to play this,

but went out with my friends on the weekend, and here we are. Success. I find it really hard when people define success as the stereotypical. So I had a child really quite young and it was almost perceived that because I've met someone and having a child before my 21st birthday

that I wasn't going to be successful or things wouldn't go the way it should do because it wasn't the norm. I now are my own business. I've never been out of work for more than four days since the age of 16. I'm really proud of like the great parents we are

and always have been. I'm another generation where it was bad enough but I really feel sorry for like the youth of today who are just driven by the you need to succeed. Success to me is doing something that makes you happy, getting what you want from life yourself. So my question to you guys is,

what is it that someone told you you couldn't do, that you made damn sure you did, not to prove them wrong, but because you always knew you had it in you. Right, I'm going to go. Take care. Bye. I think yours is pretty obvious.

Oh, that's so sweet. I love her. You go first. My idea of success is really changing, which is really big because, as you know, it's been cemented in validation from screen time for 20 years, maybe 25 years. And yeah, that's really changed for me now.

And I have to say, even though, like, Lil's had this amazing year. What amazing last quarter. There's stuff I want for you and I that isn't just about work. You know, I think it's really important for me and you to have other things in our life, whether that be adventures that aren't filmed or love of good partners

and good relationships with your babies and I want good relationships with your kids and things like that, like the relationships within our family and stuff, I know that they're a big part of how I see success is now. You know how we had that big fallout with Phoebe and everyone? And like Phoebe and Sasha are so good right now and they gave each other like,

they're just so intimate and close at the moment. And they were hugging each other at Solomon's birthday, the other day and I just thought wow our family's in really good shape right now like including you lot as well I just feel really like that feels very successful everyone's very happy Theo and Alfie are good me and Alfie are good Alfie came to SNL with Arrow it was so amazing stop I know and I saw Alfie even just posting about it and I was like fuck everything's really come together again and we're really like all like with each other and holding each other and there's there's a lot I think that you and I can have in this life that don't have anything to do with

albums or, you know, TV shows. I was going to say that, you know, a lot of this episode, we've been talking about success in our careers, but really and truly, I think that in the past year, the thing that has kept me alive, actually, is the, you know, the reigniting of a lot of the relationships that I had lost over the past five years when I've been in America. and I really fucking value my friendships and my friends

and in a way that I haven't. I think I've valued them but I haven't worked at them. It doesn't feel like work. It feels like real and it feels connected. And as much as I'm grateful for my friends being there for me, I'm also, you know, I really enjoy being there for them. You know, I think it's nice for it. it all feel very reciprocated and even.

And I'm just loving my life and all of the people in my life more than, more than I ever have. I feel so grateful and so happy. You were really there for me this year when I was really just starting to go down in the summer. Oh, babe. Always. He was so good. No, you really were. You would like move into my flat.

I'm like, I think I might fucking have to. And I needed that. I think we really loved. looked after each other this year and I'm really I think that is a bloody sign of success isn't it definitely a sign of successful therapy and I've been in a lot yeah let's ride on into 2026 on our horses because it's a year of the horse get rid of those snakes let's get let's get on our horse our happy horses that's time for the equestrian year the ride of our lives who's willing to ride yes we will call the episode that

Thank you for gracing us with your king presence. I did everything I could to try and play just 10 seconds of Dennis Brown, profit rides again. We cannot play music on Miss Me Still. It turns out. Still can't. I do think we should sing a king anthem to just ride this out. Oh, I could sing Good King Wentzis.

I was thinking more reggae, but sure. Okay, I could do it in a Jamaican accent, but I think everyone would get very offended, and that would be the end of my career. No, you're right. Let's do. One, two, three. Good King, one. When says, let's let's out.

I don't know what the rest of the words are. On the eaves of Stephen. Stephen. La, la, la, la, la, la, la. I know what's going well. Very good. Very good. Okay.

Thank you. Right? It's for my people. But this voice is beautiful. Go on, let's remind people that this voice is beautiful. Hang on. Let's just Google the words of Good King, Wenceslas. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Good King Wenceslas looked down. Hang on. This is not in time. I think I should lead. Okay, you should lead. Pipe down, Keats.

I'll come on Crisp and Bright. Good King when Csus last looked out on the feast of Stephen. When the snow lay round about, deep and crisp and even. Brightly shone the moon that night, though the frost was crewer. When a poor man came inside, gathering in time. And that's why she's the king. Thank you, Lily Allen. Merry Christmas, one and all.

It's been a pleasure. Bye. Bye. This has been an absolute pleasure and joy. Thank you for having me. Miss me is going to have a little break for the next week. But there are more treats coming on the other side of that break. So stay tuned.

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