Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! At Your Pleasure

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about pleasure.Next week, we want to hear your questions about POTATOES. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

BBC Sounds music radio podcast. This week's episode contains some very strong language and some adult themes. After you have finished listening to our podcast, please hang up. Hello and welcome to Listen Bitch. Hello, welcome to Listen Bitch, a very efficient one. Let's get on with it, shall we? This week we'll mainly be talking about pleasure. Absolutely, pleasure.

We're not just talking about sexual pleasure. Obviously. I'm sure we're not just sitting here, everyone wants to hear us whang on about masturbating again. I'm going to be mainly talking about food, hopefully. Yes, my pleasure lies in lots of places, but I'd really like to know where it lies in other people's lives and get some tips because I like a bit of pleasure hunting. There's things that give you pleasure that you haven't done yet, Lil. You might really enjoy bird watching, you never know.

That's true. I might really enjoy bird watching., you never know. That's true. I might really enjoy birdwatching. I really do. I really do. Just got a new book. I'll tell you all about it. Okay, let's get on with the show. Let's have our first question, please. Hi, Lily and hi, Makita. I love the podcast. I am listening to you guys all the way from podcast. I am listening to you guys all the way from Bangkok in Thailand as Meketa Wellner's Saturn returns. I decided to do my Saturn return here and it's really thrown me in the deep end and as both of you have completed yours, I'm in the wrath of mine. Anyway, your podcasts are really, really helping me bring a sense of home comfort also being a Taurus who loves their

comforts as much as you two being Taurus is. So speaking of star signs when thinking of pleasure as we are ruled by Venus and we have very high senses as being Taurians my question is what do you think of your five senses brings you most pleasure? Is that touch, is that like aesthetically what you see? So when Lily you're doing your room interior, is that something that gives you pleasure? Or food? Like just out of curiosity in terms of the senses, what would they be? Thank you guys, bye! What a fucking fantastic question. I love that.

I don't know if I can choose. I can. You go first then. Well, mine's touch. And it's based on a touch memory of being very, very young in my primary school where our teacher would let us, oh god, I used just love primary school, we'd have hot chocolate after reading time and then she would let us all sit in kind of circles and we would draw letters on each other's backs, oh my god, even now, this makes me feel very, very good. And the soft kind of feeling of someone drawing a letter on your back or any kind of shapes or circles is my favorite thing in the world. I don't like massages as you know.

I've tried many. They're too rough for me. Just too rough. You like the lymphatic drainage. I'm having one today. I'm having one today. And I got one for cousin Naima the other day. She really needed it. Autumn had one. I'm spreading them out because they are, it's the best treatment ever. Someone actually asked me on Instagram the other day what's so good about them.

And it's because the touch is so light. It's light touch, gentle, lovely, lovely. It's like someone drawing shapes all over your body. So touch is my number one pleasure zone, guys. It gets funny, the touch thing. Last week when Welsh Rae came over for dinner and my cousins were staying here and I was doing something around the flat, I was doing something in the kitchen and I came downstairs and Iris, who's my younger cousin, was on the sofa and she was cuddled up to Welsh Rae.

Was she? No, I know. I was jealous. I was like, I know. I was jealous. I was like, I wish I could just like cuddle people. That seems really like comforting. And I just couldn't do that. It's too vulnerable.

Oh babes, you'll be, there's a cuddler in you. I know there is. I can cuddle my kids, obviously. And I cuddle them all the time and my husband. But you know what? It's funny because I did used to cuddle my mum and I remember when I got together with Lester, my first boyfriend, first like long term boyfriend, there being like transference and I could cuddle him and kiss him obviously. But then when I went

back home, I couldn't let anyone in my family touch me anymore. It was like- Do you think maybe you've got like a sort of cuddling? kind of just a certain amount of cuddling in you and it's kind of Focuses on one area at a time. I think it would probably come I've got like cuddle codependence So yeah, so it's the person that's making you feel safest at the time Yeah, is who you want to put all my eggs in one basket. Yeah, or three baskets Yeah, three is fine. even if you were here like we were watching TV it's no way I'm gonna be like well snuggled up to you like I just yeah but because I know you bitch like the other day when I facetimed you

and I was like running around and you were in bed with Phoebe I was like no because if you were cuddling I'd be like what the hell are you two doing but I know that is you cuddling Phoebe. But would it would you cuddle Phoebe in bed? Yeah. Yeah. But she wouldn't cuddle me. I am a real cuddler. Weird. OK, we'll work on this. We'll work on this.

But my pleasure out of those senses, I would say taste. After all that. Yeah. I would say taste. Fucking love nice yummy food. Actually, I want to go into something about food and eating a little bit later. So let's get a bloody another question and then we'll do that. Hi, Makita and Lily. I want to start by just saying how much I love the podcast.

My friends and I listen every week. We talk about the podcast. we text about the podcast. I feel like either we're honorary members of your friendship group or whether you want to be or not, you're honorary members of ours. But there's something so authentic about the two of you and I just love listening. So moving on to this week's theme of pleasures, my question is about simple pleasures in life. As I've got older, I absolutely look for those little glimmers and those simple pleasures in my everyday life.

And there's certain things that I just absolutely love. It could be a pen that writes really well on paper and makes your handwriting look nice. It could be walking into the bathroom and they're not being toothpaste on the sink. I love seeing older people holding hands, walking down the street, but I really do look for the simple pleasures in every day, and it makes me so unbelievably happy. So my question is, what simple pleasures do you enjoy? As you've got older, have those things changed?

And give us some examples of things that maybe other people don't enjoy that you quite like. Oh, the all important details. So my name's Claire. I'm from Belfast. I'm mother of two daughters. My eldest daughter is 14 and my youngest daughter has just turned 10. Thanks, bye. Claire, it seems like you have a family to raise, but could you possibly come live with

me and just talk in your lovely voice all the time? That was such a beautiful question and I just, it really does mean a lot to me. Because I'm a bit more open. But you and your friends. Can you fuck off? Listening. Actually. Seriously. That hits my heart. It really does mean a lot to me because I'm a bit more open. But you and your friends. Can you fuck off? Listen in. Actually.

Seriously. That hits my heart in a different way. I'm really not happy about being characterised as like this cold old wish. No, no, no. I don't think you're cold Lil. I'm just saying. You're more warm. Yeah.

Sure. Okay. You're fucking insane just by the way. Okay. I do not mean. You're fucking insane just by the way. I'm just going to tell you that much for free. You still want to be in this crew Claire? You guys still want to join. Okay, back to the question.

I really understood the handwriting thing. We don't have our reactions with me. Lil both went to most of the things you said. Lil, what are your simple things? Little simple things that make you so pleasurable and happy? I'd say there's three things that I do every day that bring me immense pleasure. Give us some tips. One is watching gang bangs on YouTube.

No, I'm joking. No, I'm joking. Hens at the ready. How to live life. Okay, and then journaling? No, journaling. No, it's all like consumption stuff. So I love my coffee machine and I love making myself a coffee when I wake up. Number one.

Number two is I have this special, it's called Weiberg's Pine Essence, which I put in the bath and it's, I've just used it forever. And you use like a couple of capfuls and it turns the bath green and it smells of pine. And I just love it. And also when I'm run out of it, I'm like bereft. And it's quite hard to get hold of. I found a supplier, a recent supplier

where I can get it delivered to America now. And Ethel always says when she comes into the bathroom, she's like, smells like England. Oh, I was going to say, why do you want the smell of pine? Is it a homesick thing? I don't know what it is. I just love it. I just love it.

It doesn't like feel particularly good on the skin. I guess it's a smell thing. It's just like, I just love it. My last thing is a chamom caramel tea with a teaspoon of honey in before I go to bed every night. And I always leave like a few sips to have in the morning because I like cold caramel tea in the morning. Me too, oh my God.

Same sips, God, tell that to our 20 year old selves. Like God, I also saved chamomile tea for a sip in the morning. I'm gonna give you a tiny tip for your beautiful three things. Now that you've got your new space, grow some herbs on the balcony, and then you go out and you cut those herbs and put them in your chamomile tea,

and you just feel like you're like living off your own farm. It's just from growing a bit of marjoram. It's just that that's one of my simple pleasures. Look at us, tea making. I like a simple pleasure is to make tea for the people I'm working with in my house and I really make a big show of it and I go out and I cut a load of herbs and yeah, we drink a lot of good teas. The other thing I was gonna say is, oh I watched this great show right with Bill Bailey. I don't want to like bring anyone out but this was such a bite of Gone Fishing I couldn't even take it. Like channel four basically said okay two white men uh in their 60s talking about mortality and life as it is today and they go around like,

you know, classic English places. Gone fishing with Bob Mortimer and Paul Whitehouse uses rivers and fishing. This uses pubs and walking. I fucking loved it. I didn't care. By the end, it was just really nice to watch Bill Bailey and Alan Davis walk a lot and talk about life and then get to a really good pub and I thought oh god my simple pleasures are becoming the same as a sort of 60 year old comedian. I find my pleasures in the same places as sort of Bill Bailey but yeah birds, rivers, churches, history and uh jazz. I don't know actually yeah a little bit. Jazz FM. A little bit of jazz. A little bit of jazz. God, this is actually making me really happy. Let's have another

pleasurable little question. Hi Lily, hi Miquita. My name is Alisa calling from South East London. My question is for both of you. I would like to know what do you make of the expression guilty pleasure? Guilty pleasure. I hate this expression. Why adding the guilt all the time? I also feel like it's usually referred to female pleasure. And yeah, I would like to know what you think It's usually referred to female pleasure.

And yeah, I would like to know what you think if you use it, if you have guilty pleasures. And if so, could you name some of them? Well, I love your podcast, I love both of you. And yeah, thank you, bye and yeah, thank you. Bye. Alicia, thank you. God, this episode just got even better. I really do feel like I'm talking to all the loveliest people around the country today.

My fucking favorite. Guilty pleasure. Well, unfortunately all your shit music you don't think is a guilty pleasure, it's just a pleasure. So that's good for you. It's nice. What are you talking about? You know, all the sort of killers

and singer songwriters from the early noughties. Oh, keen. I think you take real pleasure in that shit, yeah. I fucking love that shit. I don't feel guilty about that. Ain't it? Any pleasure that does still make you feel guilty? Yeah, leaving my kids.

Oh, because it is pleasurable. Oh Lord, oh Lord, have mercy. She said it, oh shit. Just sometimes when it's like, you know, I've been in New York with the kids for like, you know, a month or something and David hasn't been around and I like know that I've got a trip planned somewhere. I'm like, you know, I month or something and David hasn't been around. And I like, know that I've got a trip planned somewhere. I'm like, you know, I'll get out of the door and I'm

like, ah, but then about half an hour later, I feel guilty. In fact, not even half an hour, 20 minutes, maybe 10, maybe five, maybe as soon as I walk across the threshold, I'm enjoying myself but I feel guilt. So for a trip like this where you've been at home in London for like a couple of weeks now, and I know you've been having a good time and enjoying your work and reconnecting and stuff, is there just a low hum of guilt throughout the whole process?

Yeah, and shame. Oh babe, shame. You've given them such a wonderful life. How dare I be so selfish as to try and do some work and set up a flat here for us. Well, I'll bring some other mums into this so that we can take some of this bloody, darsedly shame off your light shoulders. When I took Lauren away for the week, sorry, the night, it felt like a week for her. We did 24 hours, an evening at Clifton House as I said and and then the day in the pool

and chatting shit wow it was good and she needed it needed it deeply I needed it too I was knackered from work but it's different to needing some time away from your kids I think and I was very happy to give it to her as the person or one of the few people who don't have kids, I want to be able to like say to you like, take some time for yourself. I see it from the outside and you all seem so much like, better after a bit of time. Yeah.

Do I have one? No, I have no guilt about anything I do. Next question please. Come on, no, you must have some guilt about something. I can't even it would just get too, are you kidding me? That's what this is about, reveal. What about a lion when your dog needs a walk? You bitch.

You bitch. You fucking bitch. I told you in confidence that Zeddie gave me a lion on Saturday. And it felt good, but I was like, I'm some sort of piece of shit. Yeah, prepare for Petta to come for you now, bitch. Yeah, you know what I mean? I was like, Zeddie, we're not going out yet, so just deal with it. Just relax. Then we went out for two and a half hours across the marshes.

Stuffed with the dog. Yeah, I do feel a bit guilty, I get it. Just relax. Then we went out for two and a half hours across the marshes. Um, stuff for the dog. Uh, yeah, I do feel a bit guilty. I get it. When you feel like you should be there for something and someone. I'm just always like, is your life okay? Like you're happy, right? That's like where my guilt lies. Anything, everything I get light here. Okay Zadie, good bed. Also, I think shit TV, like watching the Kardashians is a guilty pleasure. I don't know. I shouldn't do it it. No I'm not guilty about that. I am. I think it's a waste of my time. We're gonna have a little break now so we will see you, we'll see you after we do that. Pleasure break.

A little pleasure break. Welcome back to the pleasure edition of this week's Miss Me. And we are having a bloody good time. It's been pleasurable so far, I've got to tell you. We're hardly talking about sex at all. This is great. That's good. Thank God.

I really didn't want it to just be all about that. Let's have another question. Maybe you'll tell us where we can find some for ourselves in our own lives. Hi Lily. Hi Makita. This is Taylor, originally from Sydney and living in London. Firstly, I am obsessed with the podcast. I can't get enough.

But my question on pleasure is about equality in the bedroom. Coming from a background of mainly heterosexual relationships, I've often found that male pleasure is at the center of these encounters. And I don't know if there's any correlation to the depiction of sex within the porn industry or if there's just a lack of education on female pleasure in general. But my question is, have you ever felt an inequality of pleasure in the bedroom and how have you navigated talking about this with your partner? I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I feel like more people should be talking about this. Let me know what you think. Anyway, while I'm here,

I'd love to give a shout out to my long distance bestie Mel living in Sydney. And I know she loves the two of you and listens to you guys all the time as well. So thank you so much. Love you guys. Oh, look at that. We've got like long distance friends

mirroring our long distance friendship even though we're down the road today. That's nice. Ever happened to you Lil? Ever come across? Ever happened? I mean, you wrote a song about it. Yes, it has. Several times.

In fact, it's more rare that you find someone that is generous in the heterosexual hemisphere. I'm not very good at vocalizing it. I sort of feel like I just like find a way of like finishing myself off. Yes, but I think that generosity in the bedroom comes in lots of forms because when I was in a relationship where the sex in our relationship just wasn't happening for a very long time, which is, I guarantee, one of the biggest head fucks that can ever happen in a long-term relationship. And I was so ashamed

to talk to my girlfriends about it. And then I told Anna and she said, I've had that loads of times. And then I started talking to more girls and the more and more I discussed it with girls, I was about 26, the more and more I heard that there was a lot of women I knew that wanted to have sex, a hell of a lot more than their partners. And men, for a number of reasons, that I feel that they just couldn't communicate, not wanting to have sex with their partners, and the lack of communication was driving women

to like levels of insanity and shame and rejection and fear. And I think there's quite a lot of reasons that men don't want to have sex. Yeah, because they're having sex with someone else. That is obviously your first thought, but that's also not always the reason. There's always, there's a lot of other fucking reasons that men are scared to have sex with women. And I think that that generosity of spirit in the bedroom of like communicating why something is happening is something men are really hard, find really

hard and it's really hard on the other partner. Sorry, you don't have to be men and women. Just if one partner is not communicating and giving that generosity of like explaining where they're at and why things are happening in a certain way, it's fucking hell for the other person. So I think that's something that needs to, that balance, not just like, can you make me cum? I think, yeah, you know, I think that communication in the bedroom is where it's at. It's not always easy. Someone's got to be brave. Someone's got to be brave. Break down those, break down those

barriers and then either have wonderful sets together or end it and move on. I don't know. It depends if you're good at giving yourself pleasure. And does it matter that much? I think it really does, yeah. I think the marriage of the two, of being intellectually fucked and physically fucked well could be where it's at. I don't wanna be intellectually fucked by anyone,

I'll be honest. I at. I don't want to be intellectually fucked by anyone. I'll be honest. I do. Do you? Okay. Well. Fuck me with your mind. I'll fuck you in my mind, babes. Absolutely.

Oh God, I may have said too much. Next question. Hi, Lillian Makita. This is Hannah. I'm calling from Houston, Texas. I'm originally from Macclesfield, just south of Manchester. And I'm calling about this week's topic of pleasure. And is it something about me? Or is there something about actually pleasing someone else? Yes, pleasure is amazing. Yes, doing things that pleasure you in life, like traveling or eating good food or wearing fabulous clothes, you know, that's pleasure, like that's pleasurable to myself. But I am a little bit of a

people pleaser. And I love pleasing other people and bringing pleasure to them, whether that is, you know, cooking for someone or buying them a gift or my favorite thing to do is to compliment strangers. Like my husband, it drives my husband crazy. I'm in the supermarket, I'm in a shop or just out and about anywhere and I love to tell someone else and you know they look good and they like if something they're wearing is nice or if they just hold the door for me like saying please and is it is that giving pleasure to someone else or is that being a people pleaser? I would love to hear your thoughts on this topic. Love you both so much.

I don't think that is people pleasing. Isn't people pleasing when you are doing something that you don't really want to be doing? Well, I was going to say, if it gives you pleasure to people please, then that's one thing. But to people please to look and hunt for pleasure may not be the right route if it's not giving. My mum does that as well, compliments strangers. Boy does she, she will roll down a window and drive further up to be like, "'Bec can I just say you look stunning today?'

And I'm like, "'Mum give it a rest.' But then she's like, "'Why would you not want to tell someone they look beautiful?' And she really puts me in my place and I agree with that. Then I have to agree with that. I don't people please anymore and it's made my life fantastic. I really don't and I can really notice when I'm about to

and go no and I kind of stop myself because it feels like you're kind of not in service to yourself and you're constantly people pleasing. We'll see how you are on our Grazia shoot tomorrow. You were fucking people pleasing the fuck out of everybody on that last shoot and it was driving me up the wall oh my god because i remember people's names yes oh yeah yeah yeah what an asshole where do you live Fernando as if you care because i'm that nosy bitch i do care see the difference between us is i do i do no Makita you don't care i do care where Fernando's from. I actually do. You can ask anyone that's worked with me for 25 years.

One of my favourite things to know is where people live in London. Don't start with me, Lily. That does give me pleasure. Why do you think and listen, bitch, I said, let us know where you live. Don't start with me, Lily. Right. Why don't you ask the next question? Fuck off.

Did we fight today? No. No. No. I didn't really enjoy hosting and I enjoy buying people presents. I enjoy like buying people, what do you call it? Like grand gestures. Yeah, grand gestures.

Yeah. What was your last grand gesture to someone? I bought Gracie a laptop when she was in New York. Her laptop broken. So I just bought her a new one. Very nice. Very good. But, you know, like, you know, I bought you like handbags, like Chanel handbags. I was going to say my latest grand gesture from you is hanging on my, hanging on the door. I absolutely love it.

Please never stop grand gesturing me. I think I'm just quite generous. I don't think it's people pleasing. I think, you know, quite often when friends of mine that are not as affluent as I am, you know, say, let's go out for dinner, I'll always suggest going to like an expensive restaurant because I want to. Yeah. But, and I know that they can't afford it, so I'll always suggest going to like an expensive restaurant because I want to yeah But and I know that they

Can't afford it. So I'll always pay. Do you know what? I just realized something People-pleasing sort of got me bankrupt. So it's probably why I have quite an issue with it now. Mm-hmm Cuz I was very like I'll get it Are you just looking at me thinking she's gonna go bankrupt if she goes on the way she is. No I'm thinking yeah exactly careful warning no because you have a lot more money than I did but I what was that about for years I'll get it every dinner every cab every bar tab and this is like when we're rolling with 20 people do that for 10 years you will go bankrupt when we're rolling with 20 people, do that for 10 years, you will go bankrupt. Mark my words, you will go bankrupt. I think there was something in us being young and women

and money being power as well. So it felt, I remember I was going out with someone who was really rich and he took me out for dinner with a bunch of friends to Nobu, no less. And I must've been like, you know, 22 or 23. And I thought, you know, I'll secretly like get the bill. And he was fucking livid. Was he? Yeah. Because it emasculated him.

Of course. And I thought I was doing something nice. And also, you know, like, yeah, you know, I'm a grown up. I can pay for dinner. Yeah, yeah. I'm a successful person in this world as well. And he was absolutely furious. Dickhead. Yeah. Luckily, I rolled with a crew that were absolutely happy to be emasculated every day. No problem.

Yeah, don't worry. You get it. Okay. Yeah, you get it, Keats. Okay, let's have a bloody nother question. This is Tony from Manchester. Just heard your new prompt for next week's Listen Bitch. Pleasure. I was trying to think of lots of words which began with pleasure.

The only one I could think of was pleasure land. What would your pleasure land be made of? What would it look like? What would be there? What would you get to eat and of? What would it look like? What would be there? What would you get to eat and drink? Who would be there? What is your pleasure land? What does my pleasure land look like?

I think it looks like a Yorkshire pudding with a roast inside it. That's actually very 18th century of you. Like, you know, a bird in a bird in a bird. This is the Yorkshire. Would you live in that dish or are you just eating it in your pleasure land? Or you sort of are you the Yorkshire? No, maybe it could be like a Yorkshire mug and I could just drink the gravy.

So a roast basically. Yeah, just roasts. Just roasts. Right, you roasts. Just roasts. You know what? That's actually very true. A roast makes you sublimely happy. Yeah. And it always has.

So fair enough. Sometimes I'm just like, oh, I really can't be fucked to do a roast today. And then I feel guilty. And then I just do it. You know, like a quick roast can sometimes be one of the most pleasurable. I don't know how you do them I don't know quick far slow Roasts intimidate me. Well, it's not ideal because you know a big component of my roasts is

Parboiling the potatoes and then you take them out put them in the colander in the fridge to dry out. So you can't really do It affects the quality of the potato crisp if you don't have the time to let them dry out and cool down. I have done it a few times and it's worked out okay, but it's not, it's by no means ideal. I don't know what you're laughing at. I love this side of you so much. Shall we just do potatoes for Elizabeth? Absolutely.

I don't think it would be shit. Absolutely. I don't think it would be shit. Okay, it might be next week's. Okay, let's have another question. No, wait, what does your pleasure land look for? Why do you keep ignoring the questions? Oh yes, sorry.

Fuck's sake. Because now I just wanted to get to making next week's theme potatoes oh yeah mine is very simple i would like to my pleasure land is to take over the entirety of alexandra palace uh not the shitty bit at the back where the gigs are that glass fronted previously fronted kind of stucco pillared fronted bit uh which overlooks all of london and turn it into the house of my dreams. That's my pleasure land. Okay. So that's what I was looking for when I went to that new build down the road and it wasn't quite the same. And I just want to live in a Yorkshire pudding. Okay, so there we go. Let's move on. Yorkshire pudding, palace in the sky. That's good. I

actually think that says everything that you need to know about either of us. Let's have another question. Hi, Lily and Makita, it's Sarah here. I'm messaging you from Dubai, where I'm working at the moment as an event producer, but I'm actually from Cornwall. I wanted to ask you what pleasure, what things do you find completely not only pleasurable that you were least expecting? So something that you really didn't think

would make you happy or give you pleasure, but actually really does. And you can't really explain it. Thanks so much. Love the podcast. Bye. Bye. Cold plunging.

When did you do that? I absolutely hate the cold, but I love a cold pl. I want to do that with you. I do it all the time and also I have a cold plunge at my house. I can't believe you didn't do it. I know we did see that in the garden. I was like it can't possibly be. Yeah. I did not know you did that. Well tell me about the sensation. Okay so it's black, it's dark right? Well in that one it is. I actually don't really love doing it in my garden because I'm not massively fond of that particular cold plunge, but David has one at our house in Atlanta. And I also go to this place called the Bath House quite a lot

in Flatiron in New York. And I go to the Banya here in London. And I would never just want to go in the cold plunge without the heat first. So, and I actually don't really like saunas and I don't really like the heat But I love the feeling that I get from going from hot to cold welcome because it's like it's like Exhilarating that's meant to like yeah, I even some wickens up your body It's it's like completely insane like you know because at first I could probably do it for like, you know

50 and 20 seconds or whatever, but now I can do like three minutes in freezing cold water. Wow. Yeah, there's like a point where you think I can't do this anymore. I can't do this and it's so cold. And then you get to this sort of point where you can't really feel it. And you're like, it's like Nirvana. Like you feel your head just going like crazy. And then you get out and you just jump back in the sauna again or not. I tend to end on a cold and then just go and have a shower.

Yeah, because even being outside of the cold water must be kind of toasty. Yeah, but you know, like I like to have the heating turned up, I don't like any way, every taxi I ever get into in London, I'm like, can we turn the heating on please? Even if it's like 30 degrees outside. Like, I like it to be toasty and warm. So it's very, it's very strange to me

that I get so much pleasure out of freezing cold water. Where's my onyx? The thing is though, everything that I love, I knew I would. So it's like- Probably doing this podcast with me. Uh, yeah. Uh, I didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I do. There you go, that's true.

I fed you that one. I thought it would be this thing that we just like got through once a week and anyway, like that'd be kind of weird, whatever. But no, it's a lot of joy in missing me with you, you little shit. Yeah, correct. Oh, okay, Business. Learning about

business and how to build one. I thought that would just be terrifying, but it's really enjoyable and I think it's just that age old thing. If you are curious, things become less terrifying and when you're learning about something and it's not as scary as you thought, it's actually extremely enjoyable. Oh, actually, you know what? The theater for me was one. I thought that I would absolutely hate doing the same thing every night, eight shows a week, but I get extreme amounts of joy from it.

It's amazing that you can get joy from that. I just feel like it looks like such a slog. It is, but it is a fun slog, yes. Yeah, yeah. Hand breathe. Because you know what time it is. Time for it. It's time to make next week's Listen, bitch theme. I'm going to throw it out there. If you've been listening to the episode, you will know what next week's

listen, bitch theme is. But for everyone who doesn't get fucking ready, it is. Potatoes. Potatoes! I think this is going to be great. I actually think this is going to be some of the best work we've ever done. I'm going to go research now. I have so much to say. I think he's just going to do a whole section on the potato famine of Ireland. That's...

I knew it. Of course I knew it. I'm gonna go check up on that famine for my notes for next week. Okay, please do leave your voice notes for us via WhatsApp on 08000 30 40 90. That's 08000 30 40 90. After you have finished your recording, please hang up. Thanks Lil. So good at that. See you tomorrow my lover. Bye babe. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneca production for BBC Sounds. My name is Annie MacManus.

And my name is Nick Grimshaw. How long have we known each other, babe? Probably 20 years now. And in that time, we've always worked in and around music, right? We have. So it kind of makes sense that we do a podcast about it. It sounds like it's been 20 years in the making. It's not avatar for podcasts, basically.

But it is good. So we put the world to rights with regards to music. It's all the stuff that you'd want to chat to your mate about over a pint. Side tracked with us, Annie and Nick. Listen on BBC Sounds.