Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Choose You

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens answer your questions about love.Next week, we want to hear your questions about LOVE PART 2. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Oliver Geraghty Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get to your BBC podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains basic adult theme, strong language, and a lot of talk about L-O-V-E love. That's because we're about to talk about love. L-O-V-E, love. Yeah. Actually, to be fair, that song. is about divorce because it's D-I-V-O-R-C-E you know that song? What song are you singing?

It's Tammy Winnett. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but that's not what we're doing today. It's not divorce. This is about love. Welcome to listen, bitch. To tea, we talk about love. I love love.

I love. And I'm so glad that our clips around love won't be to the normal quality. It doesn't break my heart at all. Jordan forgot his camera. Jordan forgot his bloody camera. But we're making it work. Let's all work together and just... Can we do love again another time?

What do you mean? Just when I've got a proper camera. No, we've got the questions now. But it'll be interesting to talk about love around the world with lots and lots of people today. Let's have our first question for today's listen, bitch. Hi, Jordan and Akita. It's Emma for a wee tune in Scotland, Fife.

This is on the topic of love. And I just want to ask, love language what is your love language mine is physical touch i just love a wee kiss here and there a wee hand on the bum is they walk past a wee grope of the boob is they what passed normally joking i just want to know what your love language is take care love you bye did you say grope of the boob can't say that anymore god scotch people are jokes and i can't say that because my dad Scottish and he is pure jokes. Jokes.

Don't you love the way Scottish people say love? Love. Yeah. It's really cool. Love language. Love language is interesting. People always go, my love language is this. And most people say physical touch.

It's like, okay. Like, that's quite a standard one, surely. Yeah, some people struggle with it though. Yeah. Well, physical touch, yeah. Actually, they do, don't they? Lil does. Yeah, I know people who really, really,

it's a big avoidant issue. I'm a big physical toucher. What does that mean, Jordan? I can't get enough of hugs and kisses. I think you're, I can't, again, I'm not qualified to be able to say this stuff. I've just done a ridiculous amount of reading on relationships to make myself a good boyfriend

and I'm still at work in progress. Show me your learnings. Well, in attachment theory, I'd say you're anxious avoidant. You're anxious avoidant, which in a book called Your Brain on Love by Stan Takkin, which I'd recommend everyone to listen to, you'd be what's called a wave. And a wave is somebody who has had,

love from one parent and not from another so that they know what love is but they haven't developed this ability to soothe themselves so they become needy I'm not needy I'm not needy no no no no

maybe you're not there maybe you're just a straight up a void or maybe just a straight up island no no I don't know if I'm an island but I'm not needy because I see my friends act wildly and I'm like be cooler for fuck sake I'm very good at not being needy. I think that's because my dad was away. Do you know what I mean? So it's like I lived with the silence of that for years and years and years.

There's no one to beg. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I don't know then. I don't know. No, no, but I was interested. I liked what you said. Well, some avoidant people, like for me, for example, when I was working on being avoidant and intimacy issues,

sometimes the idea of like even being in bed next to someone I was with would make me uncomfortable. Oh, no, I'm like, shushy. Being next to the person, sometimes I felt like I was vibrating. I couldn't even sleep. I was so uncomfortable. What is that sharing the space of intimacy? No, it reads as that.

That's what's so horrible about it. It reads as being like off, unloving, insensitive. But in actuality, my experience and other people I'd spoken to, by the way, I've now helped get over it. I guess, you know what it is for me? It's honestly just being vulnerable enough to open. open yourself up because if you do open yourself up to touch and you realize that you want it and need it,

then that's it, isn't it? Then you're confronted with the next reality, which is that it can go. Yeah. So some people get stuck. They get stuck where they're like, let me just never have it. And then I won't be worried if it goes.

But that's the thing about love takes a lot of courage. Constantly. The way you're saying that is, it's kidding. Like love, guys, takes a bit of courage. It's not for the faint-hearted, is it? Be a bit brave, ain't you? You gotta be a bit brave. You've been, I would take it a bit further.

You've also got to allow yourself to be a bit embarrassing. Embarrassing, vulnerable, open. Open. All that shit. But like, I say needy in a sense of, obviously we can identify people who are like too, maybe like codependent, but there is a healthy, this is an important thing I had to learn. Healthy dependence. It's actually important to need someone.

Yes, absolutely. And for them to need you, like to a healthy amount. Don't make me think Barbara Streisand's. Most famous hit. People. People who need people are the luckiest people in the world. Oh, bars. Go on, Barbara.

What a line! Is that the one who ran the Queen Vic? Fuck you for bringing my Barbara down to bullshit town every time I bring her up. No, I did see her in Carry On. Fuck off Jordan. Barbara Streisand. I'm not having this. But yeah, so love language.

I learned something, maybe I manifested it, but there was this scene in Kardashians. It's old, like early Kardashians. Kim's going out with Reggie, like the footballer that she goes out with, like, early. Sorry, you're speaking a different language. Well, get on board. Get on board, buddy, because a lot of people will know exactly which Kardashian series I mean. And there's this bit where they're at a restaurant,

and he reaches over and he sort of, like, I can't expect, scratches the top of her head and then does that with her mouth, like squeezes her like a kid and it really spoke to me. I was like, I really want a man to play with my face and my hair like that. Really? Publicly. Yeah, man. The hair I get, the face, I'm confused, but maybe I need to watch it. Yeah, no, I really like my face to be like pulled and touched and like examined.

Yeah. Yeah, recently realized that I do really like that. So my love language is to be, I don't know, squeezed. It's physical touch, yeah. As I said, so many people say physical touch. I'm not talking about just hugs and kisses. You're right, though, to assess that you literally can't have a healthy relationship without physical touch.

Sure. The other ones, like words of affirmation, acts of service. You know what it is about love languages? It's not that you need to do all of them, but I think what people say is some resonate more with others. So some people might be like, I would rather you hugged me all day than buy me a present, you know? Or for me, mine is words of affirmation, for sure.

Like what? Like, Jordan, you're really good at that. I act you know what fucking gets me go on is if I say someone I mean obviously this means jade but like you know what I mean like just generally like no she doesn't just mean jay because I guess the love language could transfer actually to other loves all the other loves not just romantic it could be platonic familial if I've told someone how I feel about something and they bring it back up like a day later or two days later unprompted with what they think about it that for me top tier. You've spent your own time in that moment, reengaging with one of my problems and then

offered me something like, I feel that's so loving. Beautiful. I do that a lot because I like it. Do I mean? And ironically, it's not other people's love languages. It doesn't really, but like, but I do it though. I just realized another love language of like in terms of something I do, which I love to get back. But I don't get back all the time, but I do it a lot. And when it comes back, I'm like, ooh, names. I use people's names a lot. That's cool. I think our names are really important. I ask people their names.

Every cab driver I can get in a car. I also ask their name. Because if I speak to people, I really want to speak to them and use their name. And I think it makes people feel really, really felt and held. That's cool. So go on. Say my name, Jordan.

Makita. Kites, Keats, parakeets. Yeah, all my nicknames. I just love my name. No, I know what you're saying. I actually, I'm not so good at that. But when Jade says Jordan, it does make me feel funny.

Do you know what Jade calls me actually? She actually called me Petal a lot. Oh, with that lovely Northern Lilt. Well, that's what it's from. It's a Geordy thing to be like Petal. And I love that. I also, just while we're on a topic, watched a gorgeous video of Sir Ian McKellen

talking about, he actually almost cries, right? Talking about a memory he has. I'm getting in a cab and someone saying, where are you going, love? And then he starts talking about how powerful it is that people call other people love. Yes. As a descriptor. And he said the whole world would feel a lot safer and more comfortable with everybody.

And he said he even brought in the fact that if you're ever concerned about pronouns or who are people identified, just call them love. Call everyone love. Speak love. Oh, that is amazing. I love that. Yeah. Let's have another question. Hello, darling.

My name's Meg. I'm from Bristol. I wanted to ask you about your loves for the more than human. I'm an activist and I married my local river a few years ago to raise awareness about water pollution and to tell the story about how relationship and reciprocity with the natural world is what I think is the answer moving forward to many different things. But yeah, I know that you guys have big love for your dog. and the places where you live. And I just want to know what you think about how relationships with things and places and entities that aren't humans,

how they help with your relationship with yourselves and with other humans. Thanks. All right. Okay. Well, I could marry a tree. I do love trees. I love the natural world. I love that the river is what you chose to attach yourself to.

I think what I find strange is the idea of marrying an inanimate object, but I suppose a river is not that. I mean, I remember seeing a magazine in my grandma's house when I was really young and this woman had married a fridge. It really confused me. I was like, what the fuck is that? You know, those kind of stories have been around. When I was younger, those kind of crazier stories.

But this feels beautiful to marry a body of water. I'm doing a lot of water work at the moment and water is free. I mean, I'm into it. What I enjoy most about Meg's profession is reminding everybody that we're connected to things outside of humanness, you know? Human supremacy is genuinely a huge issue. Like, it's a huge issue that we believe ourselves to be in some way higher or more important or more aware or conscious or awake than the world around us in spite of the fact that we have to be in symbiosis. We have to be in a system and we see what happens when we're not.

In Spain, a dog is an official family member. Oh. I mean, I don't need a certificate. Zedi is very, I mean, our dogs are very much part of our families. No, I know, but if we think about, like, I have to check myself because we do say, like, I own this dog. Yeah.

I'm the dog's owner or that's my, like, of course, yes, people understand we get it, there's rules, whatever. But it's like, what we get from, with these animals is beyond us and I think it is sometimes an issue for humans. I mean, listen, Simon, Simon Namstor, his stance, obviously, vegan, the vegan movement, highlight this.

They say, are we not going absolutely mental by the way in which we're treating animals? Why do we think that's okay? Anyway, sorry, I don't want to spiral onto a whole non-love version thing, but anyway, my point is, I'm down with Meg. My point is I'm down with Megan, I'd marry what?

if I was to marry something non-human? Oh, that's a good question. I'm thinking a tree for me, I really am. Trees are good. My mum used to call trees standing people, so, I mean, that's technically, you know. Yeah, yeah, man. What would I marry? That's actually a fucking great fucking question.

I also think I would lean towards plants, man. I think plants are like gods, bro. Hmm. Let's have another question. Hi, Makita. Hi, Jordan. My name's Alana. I'm Colin from Central Scotland.

and I don't know if it's really a question but when it comes to love, people say that what you grieve when you lose someone that means the world to you, it's a testament to how much love you had for them. I lost my dad. I lost my dad like a year and a half ago. And yeah, I just,

I don't know what to do with all the love that I had from. and after your bullying episode I noticed that there was a lot of talk about that you deserve love and you're not hard to love but I just don't think anyone will ever love me the way my dad did sorry I got emotional I didn't expect that

but yeah it's just what do you do with the love that you think you've lost when you lose someone or the love that you had for them I know that's maybe not the nicest question but I'm just curious to what you guys have to say about that. I really love the podcast and thank you. Thank you, darling. God, you've been through so much.

It's funny because I've literally just been doing some work around this. And the answer is so simple, but the work to put that answer in place is a whole different thing, but the answer is right back in yourself. It's a strange thing to feel that you are holding so much love that you have nowhere to put. and it is the place for it, like right back in your own heart. And again, this is kind of loving in the face of the scariest things happening to us.

Losing a parent is, I think, what we all fear so much. I know I do. And you sound so heartbroken by the death of your father and I know what it feels like to feel like you're holding this whole balloon of love and there is nowhere to put it, but there is a place to put it and it is back in yourself. That is a long journey. Self-love is like no joke at all.

It takes a lot of courage. It does take a lot of courage. Yeah, I feel like it's just so, that's so recent, man. And also she said right at the end that she's worried that no one will love her as much as her dad did, which makes me. And I feel like there's the experience of grief, it can't be rushed. You know what I mean? These things can't be rushed. All of this is a testament.

She knows it. Well, she said it. All of it's a testament to her connection to her father. And, like, what an incredibly beautiful thing, especially in this world. world to have had that connection to a person. It does help sometimes, doesn't it? To go, the reason it hurts so much is because it was so beautiful. It's a testament.

The pain's a testament. And then it fades. It flashes and it fades. My mum used to say this to me about grief being something that you just fold. You never get rid of grief. You're supposed to fold it up and put it in your pocket. And carry it with you. Yeah, of course.

Of course. You know, people get to the point when they're grieving where they start to fear that they'll forget the person, you know, that's another natural part of grief is I'm not feeling bad today. Does that mean I didn't like, it's like, no, it's just one of the hardest aspects of existence known and the pain to testament and the movement forwards is, you know, you now carry the energy forever. It's just like she can engage in a love when she's ready, when it feels right. Of course it will happen. Of course it will. And it doesn't have to be the same. It'll be different. Yeah. Also, knowing that you've been loved like that,

even just once in your life. What's the phrase? Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. Exactly. And that actually comes into something that we were talking about,

I think in like the dogs episode, which is just like, it's all the same. I was thinking about it was Eddie actually yesterday. It was just like, Zeddi will not always be here. Zaddy will pass. I will pass.

But will we, would you choose to not love because you know loss is part of love? A lot of people do that. Right. But Alana has lived a life of love and is now experiencing what love always comes with, which is loss. And it's just, it's bound up all together. And it's that idea of, again, what we've discussed previously, that two truths thing. It's like giving space for both of them, the grief and the love, to sort of tend to each other, or at least let that love tend to the grief. Love is unbelievably powerful. But it's, as Jordan said, it's so soon. It's so soon. soon. It's so soon. And just like, Alana, thank you so much for sending a voice in. You're

an absolute diamond and yeah, sending you loads and loads and loads of love. Yeah. Let's have a break from all this love. All this love. We focus on the part of the

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From the BBC World Service, World of Secrets, the darkest web follows their shocking investigations. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Welcome back to Listen Bitch. You sang. There was an old

Miss Me that I was listening to for some reason the other day. I can't remember. and you sang Craig David and you sang it really well. Really? No way. What the fuck? You sang,

You're what I want. You're what I need. You sang it so well. I was like, you've never really sang a love song though, have you? What's a Rizzle Kicks love song? It's not, I've not sung in Rizzle Kicks. I've got my own stuff.

Have you never heard my solo music? Yeah, you sent me some stuff before. It was a bit more punk. That was Wildhood. I've released other albums since then. I released the Jordan Stevens album. Did you write a love song for that album? There's loads of songs about love. Even on my EP before that, I did the EP before that Jordan Stevens EP called Pig. And one of the songs found in space is specifically about loving as an avoidant person. I've got one called Losers about when I met Jade.

Let's both play a game. We can play with two. You don't think about me and I won't think about you. if we play it right Maybe we'll Oh fuck It's basically saying that You know when you first meet Maybe one will win One will lose

Yeah it's basically the idea of like You know when you're going out of someone You're trying to play it play it cool But ultimately you don't want to Because you just fancy each other That's what it's about I love that And I'm just trying to think of my favourite love song

Do you know what It's probably Donnie Hathaway Love Love Love Really Oh Love love love Can't imagine what you do to me It's just so beautiful and happy

There's a song by El Mine I heard it and was like If the moment arose, it would be played. Oh right, like, okay. I can't remember it's called I get you. I think it's called Choose You. Choose you. Choose you.

Choose you the tune. I said choose you. Oh, you know it. Yeah, I love that song. And it's such a great sentiment. I get to choose you. I get to choose you. I can't even.

That's it. You can't believe it. Also, by the way, that is one of the golden rules. I think Alan de Botton said that while we're talking about love, yeah. One of the golden rules of love is to feel like you've won the lottery. Yes. Both people constantly have to live like that. You constantly have to be like, yo, what?

Can't believe I found you. I've won the lottery. I love that. That's such high frequency living. It's hard to do, by the way. Let's stay open. Let's all stay open to receive. Let's have a final question.

Feels too soon. Hi, Makita and Georgian. Emmy from Crystal Palace here. My question on love, I am 43 and single have never seemed to find the right man. Long-term, I was in a long-term relationship when I was in my early 20s for 10 years, and now it just seems to be the odd year every now and again. But what I have realized that my relationships with my close friends give me everything I need in terms of connection and filling my heart with pure love and joy and feel just full of everything I need. And it's kind of made me think, do I really need a man in my life?

Do you think that real love and that contentment can come from just the people that you surround yourself with and that you choose to spend your time with, especially in your 40s where full-time jobs and lifetime is precious. Keep doing what you're doing. I'm always excited every week to hear your new episodes. Lots of love. Thank you, love. Thanks, love. You know, annoyingly, you can find people who use it in a bit of a condescending way.

Cheer up, love is not in this gang. Oh, calm down, love. No, no love will calm down. Thank you, sir. Love will never calm down. Love will do the opposite. Love will activate. That's right, bitch.

Jordan, why don't you begin? I agree with her wholeheartedly. Like, I really feel as if, you know, when I talk about, we literally just said, right, I'll mean an incredible song, or if I'm pronouncing his name wrong, I'm sorry, but choose you gorgeous. One thing I believe in life is partnership in some way, right?

Just in terms of like as a setup. However, partnership through the lens that we're conditioned to believe in, I think is limiting. I really do. And love extends obviously, outside of romantic love. It extends to familial love, friend love, botanic love, like love between nature, love.

Like there's just so, like you said, you just said it so perfectly, so simply, you stay open. And that's why, you know, even though it's not necessarily in practice, but I'm so open to how everyone else wants to do love, you know, flexibility, open-mindedness, like what, you know, every culture that all like seen

or I just, as long as it involves community and it involves an openness, doors open and you can cultivate spaces where people can feel connected. I'm so in. And if someone finds that with their friends, then why the fuck not? Like, who makes up these rules?

You know what also? I think I've noticed, I used to think like when people were in relationships and then they would, how do I explain this? Like go and feed their other loves. And I'd be like, how can you be bothered? Aren't you just like you've found romantic love? You're in love now.

Don't you just want to be in that bubble? And what I've learned is there, that your life is the cake. And really what you're looking for is some baking powder to help you like rise a bit. But if you're looking for the eggs and flour to make your cake from one type of love, then I think you're a bit fucked.

I think you've got to make your life so tasty and delicious and sweet that when someone comes into it, it's just like this beautiful cherry on top. Rather than like, thank God, now I can make my cake rise. It's like, bitch. You should be rising. And then a little extra bacon powder, little cherry on top.

And now we've got a like cake to devour and eat together and be the cake and love each other and touch each other forever. But I do think you've got to build the life you want first. In the same energy as what the callers said, I keep you anyone's names. I'm not like you at all. I'm not like, and I've read books.

A lot of women talk about this actually. Talk about having, especially in the like, you know, past the kind of fucking early 20 chaos, maybe 30s. Like, they're friends of the people who bring them the most freedom. And Maya Angelou has that gorgeous, I think she was just responding. I think she was talking in an interview. I don't even know if it was a poem, but she was talking about love. Love should liberate, you know, love should extend a person's freedom. No, it really should.

And this is what I mean. No, unbelievably so. This is what I was trying to say about rigid frameworks. Like I say, partnership I'm so down with, right? But the rules, in spite of every human being, have really unique, different needs, challenges, past, desires, wants. And also, let's flip it. Friends can restrict.

Do you know what I mean? You can be in a codependent friendship. You can be in a friendship where the person cuts you off from other people. This isn't confined just to the context of romantic love. The real goal we have as human beings is to connect to things, people, humans, animals, like places that fill you. you with a sense of encouragement, freedom and liberation. That is dreamy.

Oh, I love those feelings. It's true. Do you know what I mean? There's no limit. There's no limit. There shouldn't be a limit to that. Well, this is why I should bring up my friend Tall Phoebe. I love her so much.

And she liberates me with her love for me. And she is one of the great love stories of my life. Bumped into her in a club. And so ho fucking 20 years ago and was like, who's that bitch? And she was like, who's that? bitch and we've been best friends ever since but like I see that bumping into each other in the club you know people go how do you meet when they're talking about a boyfriend or a government or a romantic partner I see those moments that I have bumped into friends that have become my life

now as hugely romantic moments in my life like what the fuck would I have done if I never met tall Phoebe what I would definitely be a different person I deeply love and I get hurt a lot because I really do deeply love honestly that's my first half heartbreak, you know, it was a friendship. It wasn't even a, it wasn't even a romance. Yeah. It was literally like, I distinctly remember, I was going to write about it actually, but I introduced two friends to each other. They fell in love. And then, I don't know what the fuck happened, but I did not go well. I ended up getting ousted. By both. Yeah. And I remember just walking, actually went into the gym of McKenzie and just like person's tears. I was, but I was

completely devastated. Oh, but of course, like two pillars in your life. Yeah. And one of them was a lot longer than the other, you know, and it was just like, fucking hurt. Because I just was like, rah. And because it does mean a lot, like it really means, I was talking to someone about us the other day actually

because I have a couple of scenarios in my life where I've had a deep, I felt this deep connection to a woman, a heterosexual woman as a heterosexual man. And unfortunately, because of some of the regressive fucking conversation online and whatever in some cultures, like that kind of relationship is inconceivable.

And I was talking to someone about this other day. Like I've literally lived it. I've literally lived a situation where I've been single. I've met a woman who's single. She's attractive. You know, like, and we met out. And it's just platonic sister. Like she's like my sister.

Still to this day, like, you know, like my fucking sister. I know, but it's like you then go online for like 10 fucking minutes. And it's this idea of like, oh, you can't be friends with her. I'm like, well, I can. And I now love her husband. I now love her children.

Like, I literally used to sleep on the same bed as her, everything. And there was no zero, zero feelings like that. I think it is really important to remember that, actually you told me this the other day. You said the most courageous person is the person that gets hurt in love and loves again. Yeah.

It really does. I think we've talked about courage quite a lot. and I think they come in hundred hard. It's the hardest thing you can do. It is the hardest thing one can do. Anyone in the world ever. Literally, here's another challenge for the listeners. Literally name me a harder challenge than that.

Honestly, I've sat and thought about this. And I don't want any dumb answers like climbing Kilimanjaro or Mount Everest. I mean like genuinely in life, bro. Like if someone has shattered your heart to a million pieces, you pick those pieces up and then you go, all right, go again. No, mate, sorry. Let's go. We go again.

We ride again. There's too many close heart. knocking about. I see them all over the internet. They're all commenting on posts. They're all moaning. You know what? Because we're filming on your phone or something,

every time you say something that really means something, you keep getting a thumbs up in a bubble. You know how it does it on a phone? So I feel like we've got this extra layer of going, really good point, Jordan. Actually, really good point, Jordan. So we've had three thumbs up bubbles now. Can anyone else see that?

It's just me. It's the webcam. That's really funny. Yeah, it's really funny. It's really weird edition. But thank you for talking about love. I feel like there is, I know we had so many questions

and we haven't been able to do even half of them. Can we do love part two? Should we do that? We've never done that. We've never done it, see? Shall we do love part two next week? Yes, yes. We're free, we're liberated.

And we're going to talk about love part two. You can send more questions in, but we've got so many we haven't even got through. So yeah, the theme for next week's Listen, Bitches is Love again. Love again. Let's call it love again. That's good.

Yeah, that. All right, love. Thank you, love. See you later, love. Bye, love. Thanks for listening to Miss Me. This is a Percephonica production for BBC Sounds. On Boxing Day 2018, Joy Morgan was last seen at her secretive church.

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