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Episode Date: April 15, 2024Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about ambition. What would they be doing if they hadn’t been so ambitious? Have they ever been motivated just to prove someone wrong? Should a lis...tener move to Thailand to become a DJ or put their degree to good use?Next week, we want to hear your questions about THE PATRIARCHY. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: 08000 30 40 90. Or, if you like, send us an email: missme@bbc.co.uk.This episode contains strong language and adult themes.Credits:Producer: Matt Thomas Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan HaskinsMiss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds
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                                         This week's episode of Miss Me contains,
                                         
                                         well, there's very strong language
                                         
                                         and then very adult themes.
                                         
                                         So as a pairing, can be quite a lot. Welcome to this week's Listen Bitch, or even Listen Bitch. I'm
                                         
    
                                         going to say it quite softly today because it's been shouted in the last few episodes. You know
                                         
                                         that I've had a few jungle heads tell me that they like the theme tune.
                                         
                                         Really?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Have you been talking to Ronnie Size again?
                                         
                                         Yeah, I had a lot of iconic junglists,
                                         
                                         DJs, producers, MCs,
                                         
                                         tell me that they cannot get enough
                                         
    
                                         of the Lissa Bitch theme tune.
                                         
                                         I'm joking.
                                         
                                         It was Iona and Clara Paget.
                                         
                                         Big hardcore junglists. Hardcore junglists. I'm joking. It was Iona and Clara Paget. Big hardcore junglers.
                                         
                                         Hardcore junglers.
                                         
                                         Actually, yes.
                                         
                                         Mothers.
                                         
                                         Both mothers, but hardcore junglers.
                                         
    
                                         And they appreciate the theme tune to Miss Me.
                                         
                                         So I appreciate you.
                                         
                                         That's all I wanted to say.
                                         
                                         I don't understand.
                                         
                                         So many people contact you and tell you things about the show.
                                         
                                         Nobody texts me or messages me.
                                         
                                         Yeah, okay. Well, people like it i'm happy they like it i don't care about that i care about that no one calls me
                                         
                                         i need the validation in text form um okay i'll start forwarding them to you thanks okay well
                                         
    
                                         welcome lily to listen bitch Welcome everyone to Listen Bitch.
                                         
                                         I could do with a little bit of Listen Bitch today.
                                         
                                         This week's theme that we're all discussing together in a safe space is...
                                         
                                         Ambition.
                                         
                                         Ambition.
                                         
                                         Can't wait to hear these questions.
                                         
                                         Ambition, right?
                                         
                                         Just dropped in to see what condition my ambition is in. No, you have to replace that
                                         
    
                                         with ambition. Just dropped in to see what condition my ambition was in. That's good.
                                         
                                         That's exactly what I just did. Sorry. Look at me. Look at me stepping on your artistry toes.
                                         
                                         I am sorry. That won't happen again. Thanks. Let's everyone stay in their lane.
                                         
                                         As if we didn't learn anything from last week's.
                                         
                                         Jesus, talk about staying in lanes.
                                         
                                         Let's see what condition everyone's ambition is in.
                                         
                                         Hi, Lily and Makita.
                                         
                                         This is Alicia from Derbyshire.
                                         
    
                                         Miss Me is absolutely the highlight of my week.
                                         
                                         So thank you very much for entertaining us.
                                         
                                         You both achieved a huge amount in your careers
                                         
                                         at a relatively early age.
                                         
                                         So with that said,
                                         
                                         how have your ambitions changed over time?
                                         
                                         There you go.
                                         
                                         There's some validation that you were looking for.
                                         
    
                                         There you go.
                                         
                                         Highlight of her week.
                                         
                                         That's very nice to hear, isn't it?
                                         
                                         That's very nice to hear.
                                         
                                         God, I don't think I've ever been the highlight of anyone's week that feels really good you're the highlight of my week
                                         
                                         wow thanks Alicia for a great question how has my ambitions changed over time it's interesting
                                         
                                         you said to me on holiday at Christmas you said I don't really have goals I just if something
                                         
                                         if something interests me I do it and I was like what do you mean I don't really have goals. I just, if something, if something interests me,
                                         
    
                                         I do it. And I was like, what do you mean? You don't have a strategic plan with aims and goals
                                         
                                         and enlisted ticket. And you're like, no, no, I don't. I'm a bit of a coaster. I guess my ambition
                                         
                                         is just to like, keep my house. I have like this, um, this like image that's haunted me since I was a child which is
                                         
                                         basically you know the pigeon lady from home alone oh yeah misunderstood yeah I feel like that is my
                                         
                                         future what my image is me like pushing along the trolley with all my Chanel handbags and my like
                                         
                                         Brit award in it and then just sort of like yapping the lyrics of LDN
                                         
                                         at anyone who will listen to me.
                                         
                                         Oh my God, that is so depressing.
                                         
    
                                         I can't believe you'd give that kind of feature to yourself.
                                         
                                         What a gift to give yourself.
                                         
                                         So my ambition is just for that not to happen.
                                         
                                         And anything else is a bonus.
                                         
                                         To not become the pigeon lady from Home Alone 2.
                                         
                                         Fine. She was very misunderstood because actually she was kind. To not become the pigeon lady from Home Alone 2.
                                         
                                         Fine.
                                         
                                         She was very misunderstood because actually she was kind.
                                         
    
                                         And in the end, her and Kevin become quite close.
                                         
                                         Yeah, she's the one that helps him.
                                         
                                         She's the one that helps him.
                                         
                                         So even if you became her, I'm sure you'd still have a kind heart.
                                         
                                         I do have a kind heart, but I just don't want to be misunderstood or judged like she was in the beginning.
                                         
                                         I don't really care about where she ends up.
                                         
                                         I don't want to be who she is on face value.
                                         
                                         But this is interesting.
                                         
    
                                         You feel misunderstood like the pigeon lady in Home Alone 2.
                                         
                                         Okay, let's not.
                                         
                                         I haven't had therapy for four weeks and I'm very vulnerable.
                                         
                                         Okay, I will just go there.
                                         
                                         I'll give it to you all.
                                         
                                         I know you will but what I wanted to say is that's a great way of me understanding a little more oh we're glad to
                                         
                                         give you that thanks help me not become the pigeon lady from home alone too anyway tell us about your
                                         
                                         ambitions how they've changed since pop world since pop world bloody ages ago i think my ambition was to just get a job again for
                                         
    
                                         a long time i was like i just but it was interesting i was like i just need to be on screen again i
                                         
                                         need to be on screen again because i had about seven years where i wasn't in my late sort of
                                         
                                         early 30s late 20s and um but then i realized once i did get back on screen that what I wanted was to
                                         
                                         work again actually work it's quite a nice feeling it was nice to be reminded that I do actually love
                                         
                                         my work very lucky never thought I'd get a job that I was good at that I loved
                                         
                                         and have a really long time doing it I feel I do feel I do feel really lucky it's a very very
                                         
                                         privileged position to be in, isn't it?
                                         
                                         To be able to do something that you love. It really is. I think the older I get, the more I
                                         
    
                                         realise that. Thank you for that question. It's good to bloody remind yourself every now and then.
                                         
                                         Can we have another question, please? Hi, Makita and Lily. Loving the podcast.
                                         
                                         Just a quick question on the subject of ambition.
                                         
                                         Is being overambitious the downfall of our generation? As a 44-year-old woman growing up
                                         
                                         in the girl power 90s of you can have it all and do it all, are we now a product of that?
                                         
                                         We're an overworked,ressed underpaid anxious depressed generation who
                                         
                                         haven't quite made it as we'd hoped asking for a friend also as two women who have made it in
                                         
                                         quotation marks is it all it's cracked up to be what would you be doing now if you hadn't been
                                         
    
                                         so ambitious and would you be happy thanks love you lots bye steph thank you steph in whitley bay
                                         
                                         for that god steph that that hit
                                         
                                         me in quite a few places thank you is it all that it's cracked up to be what having success
                                         
                                         yeah but i still think that like the patriarchy for one of a better you know term still manages
                                         
                                         to like put us in our box i mean i actually was looking at our home page for the podcast and i
                                         
                                         had a little sneaky
                                         
                                         look at some of the reviews and one of them said like oh these two talking about you know stuff
                                         
                                         that they're not qualified to talk about and I was like even though it's not really talking about us
                                         
    
                                         as women there is like a layer of like misogyny attached to it it's like how many fucking men are
                                         
                                         there out there just wanging on about shit they know absolutely nothing about and it's okay?
                                         
                                         I feel like with women, it's like you're allowed to have success, but you have to really be able to back it up.
                                         
                                         Very interesting point.
                                         
                                         I also, what the fuck qualifies anyone to have an opinion on anything?
                                         
                                         I think opinion is a right of everyone and it's important to be able to debate things in this world together. I think if everyone felt
                                         
                                         like they had to be qualified to have an opinion, no one would fucking have one.
                                         
                                         No, but there's a level of like, you know, well, if we're going to let two women have a like
                                         
    
                                         podcast to talk about things, they better have like degrees in those subjects. So no,
                                         
                                         we're just us. We're just us having a chat. It's okay.
                                         
                                         But I feel like men are allowed to occupy forums like that with no questions asked and no one's going,
                                         
                                         what are your credentials?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         You know, because their credentials are their ball sacks full of semen.
                                         
                                         Sorry.
                                         
                                         These are my credentials.
                                         
    
                                         These are my credentials.
                                         
                                         I'm talking about my legs, not...
                                         
                                         Steph from Whitney Bear, I'd also like to say 44,
                                         
                                         and I know you're joking a bit about like
                                         
                                         you know feeling like you haven't achieved all the things you were told you could or should have
                                         
                                         20 years ago but i really think that the true success in life is like genuinely oh god how do
                                         
                                         i say it's not being cheesy it's genuinely one's character and like who you are in the world not
                                         
                                         the things you do i definitely think if you you try and make success just the things you do,
                                         
    
                                         you feel quite empty.
                                         
                                         It doesn't fill up the right cup within.
                                         
                                         For me anyway.
                                         
                                         I hate to bring it back to the men versus women thing again.
                                         
                                         Bring it back to the patriarchy.
                                         
                                         But one more.
                                         
                                         I hate to do it but i also feel like for women our character and how we hold ourselves when
                                         
                                         we are you know in the workplace or whatever is something that people are really focused on where
                                         
    
                                         where they aren't with men i remember being in the studio once and this uh producer that i was
                                         
                                         working with had been working with another female
                                         
                                         artist and he was he was like oh yeah she's a nightmare and I was like hmm what made her a
                                         
                                         nightmare and he said oh she just was really specific about like what how she wanted to sound
                                         
                                         and like and I was like oh yeah that sounds like a nightmare that someone would have a very clear
                                         
                                         idea of how they wanted to be represented and then then I asked him, if a man came in with that same attitude, would you feel the same?
                                         
                                         And he sat, to his credit, he sat there and he thought about it and he went,
                                         
                                         actually, if a man came in here and didn't have those specific requests,
                                         
    
                                         I wouldn't have any respect for him.
                                         
                                         And I was like, interesting that.
                                         
                                         So you're a misogynist.
                                         
                                         You know, in that context, there's a woman that is ambitious and has an idea
                                         
                                         of how she wants to sound and how she wants to come across. But that is interpreted as like,
                                         
                                         she's difficult. 100% difficult. I can't stand difficult. I got called difficult a lot. And I
                                         
                                         was 18. I wasn't difficult. I just knew what was shit and what wasn't. And I was fearless because
                                         
                                         I was a kid. So I was just like, I don't want to say that word.
                                         
    
                                         I don't speak like that.
                                         
                                         And people would roll their eyes.
                                         
                                         Yeah, roll their eyes and like,
                                         
                                         oh my God, Makita has another issue.
                                         
                                         It's like, it's not an issue.
                                         
                                         I just have an opinion and I'm starting to learn
                                         
                                         what I think feels right in this particular job.
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
    
                                         It's tricky.
                                         
                                         It's really tricky.
                                         
                                         I find it really difficult being called difficult.
                                         
                                         it's tricky. It's really tricky. I find it really difficult being called difficult.
                                         
                                         Just when you want something to be of a certain level and you are seen as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about to create excellence. And sometimes I really do. I've
                                         
                                         been doing this a really long time and people don't give you the space because they think
                                         
                                         you're just being difficult. And it's like, no, I just want it to be brilliant.
                                         
                                         And I promise you, I think I know how we can get there.
                                         
    
                                         Saying that, I do think I have been difficult at times.
                                         
                                         Me too.
                                         
                                         I've definitely also been a little tricky, but that's because I didn't feel heard on set.
                                         
                                         Anyway, getting back to the beginning of Steph's question,
                                         
                                         I do believe that we were sort of sold a bit of a lie in terms of like you can be whatever you want you can do whatever it is
                                         
                                         that's you know you desire it's like that's just plainly not true there's just not enough
                                         
                                         opportunities I don't think so but isn't it important to live a life like you can and not
                                         
                                         live a life like you can't do anything anything is is possible. I don't think that's true. I think that you and I have had very unique upbringing in the sense that
                                         
    
                                         we're both brought up in London, West London. And in terms of, you know, the business that we went
                                         
                                         into, which was, you know, media and culture for whatever you want to call it, we were very much
                                         
                                         in close proximity to, you know, the central hub of that, youwise in terms of where we were.
                                         
                                         I don't think that most people,
                                         
                                         it's as easy as it was for us.
                                         
                                         Yes, but I also grew up in poverty
                                         
                                         and my mum was on the dole for 25 years.
                                         
                                         I'm not trying to downplay that at all,
                                         
    
                                         but I do think that just in terms of geographically,
                                         
                                         the location that we grew up in put us at an advantage.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         If we're talking about our industry specifically,
                                         
                                         which Steph isn't actually,
                                         
                                         but there isn't, you know, enough investment at grassroots
                                         
                                         in terms of, you know, in the arts, music, whatever,
                                         
                                         up and down the country.
                                         
    
                                         I mean, we were talking about it the other day,
                                         
                                         like there are no youth centers anywhere.
                                         
                                         There's nothing for people
                                         
                                         to be able to get a foot a foot in and i think that that has um taken a lot of opportunity away
                                         
                                         for a lot a lot of people can we have another question about ambition hi lily hi makita it's
                                         
                                         katie here from scotland i was wondering if there has been anything that you have been really
                                         
                                         motivated to succeed at purely to prove a point to someone.
                                         
                                         So you can shove two fingers up and say,
                                         
    
                                         fuck you, I proved you wrong.
                                         
                                         What was it?
                                         
                                         Did you succeed?
                                         
                                         And how did it change or shape your career,
                                         
                                         your life, or your ambitions moving forward?
                                         
                                         Yes!
                                         
                                         I actually said something to them in my head the other day. Told me I'm going to do shit. Yes. I mean, I remember I remember the shame that I felt the shame all over my body and mind when I left T4. It wasn't hadn't been a good year or two there after doing years and years of beautiful work and having an amazing time.
                                         
                                         And I remember a lot of people were like, what are you going to do next?
                                         
    
                                         What are you going to do now?
                                         
                                         A lot of people that I loved as well.
                                         
                                         And I remember thinking, I don't fucking know.
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         Should I have a plan?
                                         
                                         I have no idea.
                                         
                                         I'm 26 and I've been on TV since I was 15.
                                         
                                         I have no idea.
                                         
    
                                         And the things that I was going to do were going to come a lot later. I was going to if I poor little me knew since I was 15 I have no idea and the things that I was gonna do were
                                         
                                         gonna come a lot later I was gonna if I poor little me knew what I was about to go through
                                         
                                         oh my god but um I had I sat next to this brilliant guy at a lunch last year and he said to me he's
                                         
                                         probably about 50 and he said to me listen it's this simple in life you get everything you want
                                         
                                         it just doesn't happen when you think it will and And I was like, oh, that's nice.
                                         
                                         I think there's a lot put on of like, you know,
                                         
                                         even Steph earlier saying I'm 44 and I didn't do that.
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
    
                                         It's like, let life still surprise you.
                                         
                                         Like my mum, 55, and her career just went up lower.
                                         
                                         And talking of my mum, my mum, not not necessarily to me but I was living with a
                                         
                                         single parent who was trying to be a broadcaster and had a few opportunities like badass tv with
                                         
                                         iced tea if you remember it good for you channel four and we had like she had an opportunity and
                                         
                                         we had a bit of money for a minute and then it went and she had no more opportunities and she
                                         
                                         just got told no no no no constantly so to watch my mum do what she's done at 55 in the face of that you try not
                                         
                                         to let that stuff sit in your heart because it will stop you words are powerful that shit can
                                         
    
                                         stop you you won't ever do anything okay you're right I had a teacher at a grammar college that
                                         
                                         I went to so I must have been like 14 or 15 and she
                                         
                                         was just about to suspend me she was and she was really sort of like smug and and mean and she was
                                         
                                         just like well what's your plan then and I was like well I think I'm gonna be a singer and she
                                         
                                         just kind of like like laughed out loud and said well what are you doing to make that happen?
                                         
                                         And I was like,
                                         
                                         well,
                                         
                                         you know,
                                         
    
                                         I'm having lessons.
                                         
                                         I was like 14.
                                         
                                         She was like,
                                         
                                         I'm sorry,
                                         
                                         like hates be the bearer of bad news,
                                         
                                         but if nothing's happened yet,
                                         
                                         then it's very unlikely that it's going to.
                                         
                                         I was like,
                                         
    
                                         what are you talking about?
                                         
                                         Anyway, I gave her a thank you in the sleeve notes of my first album.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Of what album?
                                         
                                         First album.
                                         
                                         First album. I think. Yeah. That's nice nice it's just a little fuck you no because it really did spur me on it was like I would see her like smug little face
                                         
    
                                         and that little guffaw laugh when I said what it was that I wanted to do her like I was like
                                         
                                         oh that got me and it did spur me on yeah I've got a few memories that have spurred me on
                                         
                                         in situations
                                         
                                         yeah what am I talking about
                                         
                                         it really is sometimes
                                         
                                         a thank you
                                         
                                         to those haters
                                         
                                         and then a
                                         
    
                                         in their face
                                         
                                         afterwards
                                         
                                         is that your breakfast
                                         
                                         mhm
                                         
                                         crisps
                                         
                                         mhm
                                         
                                         rooms
                                         
                                         what do you call it
                                         
    
                                         mini bar special
                                         
                                         yeah why is there only ever crisps in the minibar to eat
                                         
                                         because they keep fresh for a long
                                         
                                         that's right
                                         
                                         it's not going to be like a ham and cheese
                                         
                                         sandwich
                                         
                                         wouldn't that be nice if you got to a hotel
                                         
                                         and there was like a toasty
                                         
    
                                         warm in tin foil
                                         
                                         yeah there is it's just room service
                                         
                                         yes I haven't travelled for a while no shit warm in tin foil. Yeah, there is. It's just room service. Yes.
                                         
                                         I haven't travelled for a while.
                                         
                                         No shit.
                                         
                                         Very nice.
                                         
                                         We'll see you after this little break that we're going to take
                                         
                                         because I think she's done her best.
                                         
    
                                         Why don't we just let Lily
                                         
                                         finish her breakfast of crisps.
                                         
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                                         Should we have another question on ambition?
                                         
                                         Yeah, I feel like people have got shit to say
                                         
                                         and I bloody knew they would.
                                         
                                         Hi, Makita and Lily.
                                         
                                         Loving your podcast.
                                         
                                         Think it's brilliant.
                                         
                                         Takes me back to being 19, hungover, watching Shipwrecked.
                                         
                                         I have ADHD, as do you, Lily.
                                         
    
                                         Maybe even Makita, who knows?
                                         
                                         So I have had a lot of ambition over the years,
                                         
                                         but not had the follow through to do said ambitions.
                                         
                                         So I've wanted to be a pop star, a vet, an author, a stand-up comedian.
                                         
                                         So yeah, just wondering what growing up or even now,
                                         
                                         what would be your ambition to be now?
                                         
                                         Have you had lots of ambitions?
                                         
                                         Have you only had one ambition?
                                         
    
                                         If I'm honest, I don't know what the fuck I would have done
                                         
                                         if I didn't become a TV presenter at 15 years old.
                                         
                                         I have no idea. I had no plan or ambition, did I?
                                         
                                         Did I ever talk to you about what I wanted to do
                                         
                                         in the world? I knew I wanted to do something of importance, but I had no idea how that was
                                         
                                         going to play out. I mean, interestingly enough, like I don't think I ever shared with you that I
                                         
                                         wanted to be a singer because I sort of remember when things happened for me, like everyone was
                                         
                                         quite surprised because I'd sort of been like working away at this little thing a little bit secretly and I think that was because something very British about
                                         
    
                                         not wanting to be vulnerable about your ambition right and so I didn't want to reveal to anybody
                                         
                                         that I had these like aspirations to do this thing because I didn't want the humiliation of like
                                         
                                         failing at it right so in case it doesn't work out so i was just like i'm just not gonna
                                         
                                         tell anyone and then if it happens it happens and if it doesn't it doesn't it's such a vibey
                                         
                                         of moves also to like be like where's lily up number one what are you talking about
                                         
                                         that's quite a move it's very important to stay curious about but also allow the universe to
                                         
                                         surprise you i've been trying to kind of calm my ambitions and goals down
                                         
                                         uh this year because I wanted to have a bit more of a life and just chat shit with you
                                         
    
                                         make that my job incredible we've managed to make that happen and it's made me kind of think about
                                         
                                         like again that's what I was saying about like your character and stuff it's like oh no do you
                                         
                                         know what intent it's not what you want to do, but why?
                                         
                                         And I think that usually changes what you do next.
                                         
                                         I know that always happens to me.
                                         
                                         That I got from Oprah.
                                         
                                         Not what do you want to do?
                                         
                                         Why do you want to do it?
                                         
    
                                         And it usually kind of leads you somewhere else.
                                         
                                         Like Lily, for instance,
                                         
                                         like why do you want to make music in Nashville right now?
                                         
                                         Or make an album right now um I like the
                                         
                                         feeling of writing something that connects with people when I when I am on stage and I'm showcasing
                                         
                                         music for the first time that's only been sort of like in circulation for a relatively short period
                                         
                                         of time and I can see people mouthing the words of the songs that I've written back to me that's such a powerful thing and it's been you know five or six years since
                                         
                                         that's happened last and I and I miss that feeling and I know that the way to get that feeling again
                                         
    
                                         is to write more stuff so that's what I'm doing. Connection is a big one in work isn't it doesn't
                                         
                                         it feel better when you're making something that's connecting with people rather than waiting in a queue to have your photograph taken at the GQ awards which is
                                         
                                         what happened to me at the end of last year and I was like I need to change my life I'm not fulfilled
                                         
                                         this is not doing it for me anymore in any way shape or form there are still loads of things I
                                         
                                         want to do I really want to direct I'd love to direct
                                         
                                         television but like a music show anyway won't go into it I think that you would be absolutely
                                         
                                         brilliant at that by the way I'm very excited to see that next chapter of your life happen
                                         
                                         thank you that really helps me keep moving forward with that to hear you say that
                                         
    
                                         yeah I'd like to direct and become a better producer and uh yeah I think that's it
                                         
                                         what other ambitions do I have I really want my balcony to be nice this summer okay that's a good
                                         
                                         one there are so many things that I would like to have done like I'd like to play you know musical
                                         
                                         instruments a lot better than I can I'd really like to be able to speak some languages I just
                                         
                                         like have not got the attention span to do it. And I haven't got the
                                         
                                         funds actually to like be taught by somebody every day, which is what it would be required.
                                         
                                         Like when I go to the gym. Just get to a lingo. I can't do it, Keats. I can't do it. Like I turn
                                         
                                         it on and then I'm like, oh yeah, that thing. Oh yeah, that thing. It's like going to the gym. I
                                         
    
                                         actually can't be in the gym unless I have my personal trainer like there to hold my hand and tell me what to do. My focus just drifts. So, you know, there's so much that I'd like
                                         
                                         to do, but unless I had somebody holding my hand and telling me that, you know, I have to do it,
                                         
                                         I find it really, really hard. It's quite important to know that though, because once you know that,
                                         
                                         you kind of know what you need to get shit done. Yes. And it's actually a little bit like why I'm here in Nashville because you know a lot of people what I'm going to come out with at the
                                         
                                         end of this week is like some songs in a very basic form and a lot of people would be able to
                                         
                                         make those songs by themselves in this you know at home in their bedrooms I can't because I need
                                         
                                         to have people there going come on Lily focus you can get through this verse you can do this chorus
                                         
                                         like this is where we are I can't do it without that I watched the Vivian Westwood documentary as well actually this week
                                         
    
                                         is my I'm ill week um sitting under the covers watching telly and she was like 85 and was like
                                         
                                         people keep asking me what I want to do and actually what I really want to do is learn Spanish
                                         
                                         I just don't have the time so I think if you don't get on with learning a language you really just don't do it
                                         
                                         if we make loads of money from this podcast i'm gonna get some italian lessons
                                         
                                         so if we're doing really well you'll know because lily will be fluent in italian
                                         
                                         fuck going to number one lily will just be fluent in italian and we'll know god miss me's doing
                                         
                                         bloody well isn't it?
                                         
                                         Also, you look a little Italian,
                                         
    
                                         especially when your hair's dark and you've got a suntan.
                                         
                                         So it would work beautiful, you know?
                                         
                                         Is that Italian?
                                         
                                         It would be brilliant.
                                         
                                         Next question, please.
                                         
                                         Hi, Lily and Makita.
                                         
                                         I hope you're both well.
                                         
                                         First things first,
                                         
    
                                         Lily, you actually used to follow me
                                         
                                         and credit where credit's due.
                                         
                                         There was one night
                                         
                                         I was stumbling home blackout in London and I had just just moved there I didn't know my way around at all and
                                         
                                         my phone was giving me the wrong directions so rather than call a taxi or I don't know ask a
                                         
                                         friend for help I thought who knows London better than my new Instagram follower Lily Allen and so
                                         
                                         I bless I sent you a whole like 60 second video of me stumbling about to wake up in the morning
                                         
                                         with no recollection but
                                         
    
                                         Lily Allen wants to send you a message saying be safe um so yes I was quite hungover and it was a
                                         
                                         good story to tell my colleagues in the morning anyway finally I guess my actual question is
                                         
                                         thanks for listening by the way um I'm really ambitious I'm at the end of my uni degree but
                                         
                                         now I want nothing to do with my degree I want to become a DJ and go to Thailand that would be me
                                         
                                         living the dream um that's my ambition I really want to make with my degree. I want to become a DJ and go to Thailand. That would be me living the dream.
                                         
                                         That's my ambition.
                                         
                                         I really want to make it happen.
                                         
                                         But it's almost like, I don't know,
                                         
    
                                         at what point does an ambition turn into craziness and now just stick with what you're doing?
                                         
                                         Like, I've got a good degree going.
                                         
                                         Should I just stick with it or should I switch up?
                                         
                                         We've come up against this time and time again
                                         
                                         where people are sending us messages,
                                         
                                         but they are not revealing their names or their
                                         
                                         geographical locations and I've said it time and time again it's very important unless it's like
                                         
                                         something that you need to keep anonymous but I don't think that's what's happening I think people
                                         
    
                                         are just forgetting that like they haven't got an avatar if you're forgetting we'd love to know who
                                         
                                         you are where you are babe but if you if you do actually want to be anonymous for your personal
                                         
                                         reasons that's up to you maybe I want to be anonymous for your personal reasons,
                                         
                                         that's up to you.
                                         
                                         Maybe you don't want to talk about ambition in a public space.
                                         
                                         I understand.
                                         
                                         I've got strong feelings about this.
                                         
                                         I think finish your degree and then go and chase your dreams.
                                         
    
                                         I do because I think that he might end up in Thailand DJing
                                         
                                         and think, this isn't for me.
                                         
                                         And then he's limited his options from where he can go from there.
                                         
                                         So I think finish the degree.
                                         
                                         Because it looks good on paper, doesn't it, to a future employer?
                                         
                                         Yeah, now the temptation of pissing about is coming up.
                                         
                                         But not just pissing about.
                                         
                                         He's not just going on a gap year.
                                         
    
                                         He wants to be a DJ, which probably will include a lot of travel
                                         
                                         if it is part of your life.
                                         
                                         It does become your job or one of your jobs.
                                         
                                         So I say get on
                                         
                                         with it if not now then when i will say both our experiences in thailand would say computer says no
                                         
                                         separately makita's ended in a tsunami and mine ended well we can't even really go where mine
                                         
                                         ended i have got a tramp stamp though my lower back but i wonder why thailand for dj is that
                                         
                                         to do the moon parties
                                         
    
                                         do you remember those full moon parties oh the buckets do you remember the buckets I loved
                                         
                                         buckets oh no I don't that really doesn't surprise me buckets were amazing it was like alcohol and
                                         
                                         like fresh juice and then they give you 10 straws and everyone would just get it it's like it's like early mahiki hang on a second i don't remember sharing my buckets with anyone i think it was
                                         
                                         like a lone bucket okay all right cool just one bucket and i also remember doing the fire
                                         
                                         thing one night being really drunk you know they like the jugglers they'd have the balls of fire
                                         
                                         like on the end of a chain and i whacked myself on the back with it as it came up and it like burnt my hair. It could have been a hell of a
                                         
                                         lot worse, you fire throwing. I mean, it did get worse than that. It did. That's true. That was
                                         
                                         day three. It did get worse. But yeah, listen, a DJ life is a nice life. We know my cousin is a DJ.
                                         
    
                                         He's also in music management, but he's, you know's you know from like 18 17 all the boys we knew
                                         
                                         that wanted to be dj started early and they got on with it i think it's important to just get on
                                         
                                         with it you've done your degree you've done the hard work now you can have some fun can we have
                                         
                                         the last question for listen bitch oh 8,030 40 90 uh hi Just wanted to let you know that the jingle works
                                         
                                         and I'm just catching up with episodes.
                                         
                                         And one thing that makes me laugh the most
                                         
                                         is when Lily says something that is funny
                                         
                                         and then she proper pisses herself.
                                         
    
                                         And that just really reminds me of me
                                         
                                         because nothing makes me laugh more than me
                                         
                                         and then I was thinking about you going on about how you're going to be 40 soon and my girlfriend
                                         
                                         is going to be 40 soon and I was like don't worry about it anyway so I had to look up how old you
                                         
                                         two were and I noticed that Lily's birthday is the day after mine in May.
                                         
                                         And I was like, maybe it's a Taurus thing.
                                         
                                         Will you be talking about star signs soon?
                                         
                                         Do you think it's a load of bullshit?
                                         
    
                                         Thanks, bye.
                                         
                                         What a journey we all just went on together
                                         
                                         as spiritual Tauran star sign sisters
                                         
                                         um but you can be in our gang same birthday day after lily so we're all in the same sort of week
                                         
                                         and um what else happened what else is said she just loves us and she thinks it's funny that i
                                         
                                         laugh at all my own jokes which i have to say is the thing I hate the most about my mother.
                                         
                                         I'm glad that that little trait is showing itself up again.
                                         
                                         So Alison does that.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, my mum actually genuinely thinks that things get funnier
                                         
                                         the more she repeats them as well.
                                         
                                         She's like, well, wasn't that funny?
                                         
                                         I'll say it again.
                                         
                                         And I'll do it again.
                                         
                                         Oh, no, Lil, that is quite you. is quite you oh my god stop it's a little bit
                                         
                                         no but as the lady said we are turning 40 and i think that's when you really realize
                                         
                                         the similarities between yourself and a parent great there you go so there you go. So there you go.
                                         
    
                                         Okay, should we wrap it up?
                                         
                                         Yeah, I think she just took us,
                                         
                                         I think she just brought it home.
                                         
                                         That lady just brought it home.
                                         
                                         Thank you for another beautiful episode of Listen, Bitch.
                                         
                                         I've just realised I haven't even thought about what the next one's going to be.
                                         
                                         Oh, Lily, you can't keep, okay, but that's what, hey,
                                         
                                         that's why we have the list.
                                         
    
                                         It's okay, I've got you.
                                         
                                         I'm your list backbone.
                                         
                                         I'm like the other side of your brain.
                                         
                                         Maybe I should just go with something that we've spoken about today.
                                         
                                         What do you mean?
                                         
                                         Why would we...
                                         
                                         Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         Okay, this week's...
                                         
    
                                         This week's subject matter is...
                                         
                                         The patriarchy!
                                         
                                         Yay!
                                         
                                         Yeah, I think we can do this.
                                         
                                         Because what would be good is to give you a proper space
                                         
                                         for all your opinions on this subject.
                                         
                                         Listen, if other people don't have opinions on this, I think Lily will have opinions for all your opinions on this subject. Listen, if other people don't have opinions on this,
                                         
                                         I think Lily will have opinions for all of us.
                                         
    
                                         And you.
                                         
                                         I hope you have some opinions on the patriarchy.
                                         
                                         100%, but I've never felt free enough to talk about them
                                         
                                         until we started doing this podcast.
                                         
                                         Well, think about it.
                                         
                                         You better think about how you feel about the patriarchy.
                                         
                                         I want to hear your actual thoughts.
                                         
                                         Don't hold back.
                                         
    
                                         Don't let me take all the flack
                                         
                                         which i will yes exactly let me take some of that heat off you all right we'll see you next week
                                         
                                         for listen bitch i will see you probably later i'll probably just call you later
                                         
                                         bye okay
                                         
                                         thanks for listening to Miss Me
                                         
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