Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Do You Believe in Magick?

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens answer your questions about magic, delving into all its meanings and interpretations and wonder. Abracadabra doesn't mean what you maybe think it does…Next week the theme is DRUGS. Send your voice note questions on WhatsApp https://wa.me/447849030711Follow the show on instagram and TikTok @missme.4evaGet cultural recommendations from the weekly Miss Me? Library at patreon.com/missmeProducer: Natalie JamiesonTechnical Producer: Oliver Geraghty Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid & Katie-Louise BuxtonVideo Editor: Danny PapeProduction Coordinator: Tom JacksonExecutive Producers: Ellie Clifford & Dino SofosMiss Me? is a Persephonica show Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You're going to talk to me about trees chatting to each other, asking existential questions, one after each other. That's foreplay to me. Manifesting people happens to me a lot. Like, I won't speak about a person for years, and then I'll mention them, and the next day. Isn't it just a better existence to just believe that something's out there? Yes. Even if you don't think it might be true, that frequency... It's just knowing there's something more.

People would say, oh, abracadabra, it's just like a wand and a rabbit, but actually it means I create a I speak, which is magic. I love hippies. I'm a hippie. It's so funny, that was such cuss when I was young. How can that be a cuss? What you love the earth? That's how tapped we are as a species.

Oh, what do you want to do? Hug a tree. Yeah, I want to hug a tree. Let's go. You would love it. Everyone, welcome to listen bitch. Jordan, welcome to listen bitch, darling. I know that you host it, but hey, welcome to you two.

Welcome to the space. I'm sorry. I just missed a call. Right. I'm back on my phone now. I don't want to be. I don't want to be, but like that's, that's apparently what happens. Like, you know, and you get sucked in, I will say, I know we've spoken endlessly about social media, it doesn't matter,

but I will say, not being on my phone for five days, I think in a person's where my mind goes. It is mad. I know, I didn't even, I just had two days off at the weekend in Somerset and I was like, fucking out, my thoughts are different. It's mad, like the second I'm back in Bedlam and all I can fucking think about is like, oh, anyway, right. Well, phones are quite important for listen, bitch there. We're on, we're on phones in our new artwork. We're on phones. We're sharing stuff, videos and we're picking up calls and

taking your messages. Taking messages, voice notes. Exactly. So this is actually quite a phony space. It's a big phony space. It's not a pho-n-e-y-y-y-space. It's actually a very truthful space. It's very true. It's not fake. Shut the fuck up. And that's actually

quite appropriate because today we are talking about magic. Magic. Magic, magic. It used to be this thing when I was in primary school 1.5.4. No, oh yeah, you could do. No, that is.

Magic. Yeah. I love magic. Magic. 15.4. I don't think they say 105.4. Anyway. Do they not?

Not anymore. Maybe in the 90s. Okay. Let's do some magic because let's never forget in the great words of Roald Dahl. I was just thinking about that. Those who don't believe in magic never find it. So if you're here, you believe.

Tell them, rolled. Exactly. Let's have our first question for this magical space. Hi, Jordan and Makita. My name is Beth. I am a bit of an overthinker, but I do believe that we are surrounded by so much magic that we often overlook. So the fact that trees can talk to each other in forests and like underground networks, the fact that the earth is literally like the size of a grain of sand or even like the earth being here in the first place kind of blows my mind.

The fact that literally as women create another human being inside of our body, I could go on. There is just so much magic. I wondered what the most magic thing that you have experienced in your life. And for me, mine was literally a couple of days after my dad died, a stranger came up to me in the street. She came up to me and said, I'm really sorry to stop you, but I can see that there's a new energy around you, and I just really have to tell you that everything's going to be okay. And to me, that felt really magical. And there was no other explanation to me.

It's never happened to me before, never happened to me since. So I just wondered what the most magic thing that has ever happened to both of you is. Love you. Love the podcast. Okay. So just before we get into it, that's foreplay to me. Just as a very brief callback, that shit gets me fucking hot. You're going to talk to me about trees chatting to each other, asking existential questions, one after each other.

Beth, you seducea. Although I will say, although oddly Beth does sound up my friends. I'm wondering if it is Beth. I don't know if the Beth I know. So sorry if that is, Beth, if it is you, Beth, as in Lou Beth, I'm sorry that I said that. But it is true. I stand by it.

No, I love that that gets you going, babes. Yeah, that's full play. Well, that's a very good point. I was going to say you must be turned on all fucking day then, because once you start thinking about what magic is around, that's why I wanted to do the role dialogue quote, once you start looking for magic, or if you pay attention, pay attention, paying attention is enough.

It's everywhere and it can be quite overwhelming which is why I ground myself in really small bits of magic every day. Otherwise I do feel it's kind of so powerful I don't know what to do with it or so in tune with things that I don't know what to do with it it can be a bit overwhelming sometimes. Yes. Synchronicity is a thing

that I think probably is one of the most accessible forms of magic, obviously wholly disputed by cynics But do you believe in coincidences in general, Jay? Wait, what do you mean? Well, because I just literally don't believe in them at all. I don't believe anything is. Oh, it's a coincidence I bumped into you. No, no, no, no, it's not.

Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, as a meaning. Yeah, so my most balanced approach to this is like, it's just genuinely fun to lean into sequencing. I think we have it within us to apply meaning to something that might be meaningless. That's like, that's kind of the beauty of being a human. But, like, I fucking love it. Like, for me, that's where. more enjoyable than walking around being like, wow, this is like an empty nihilistic vacuum. Like I would much rather say, I think that happened.

But can I also say that I have, and it was probably what I was going to say, I mean, amongst many things, I have had, in a vicaramance coincidences happen that are so extreme. I've actually sometimes been reduced to tears because even if I was to be cynical, it's beyond. Exhalation. I can't explain it. It's just like, it's just like that's, oh, dude. Like, like, manifesting people happens to me a lot.

Like, like, I won't speak about a person for years. And then I'll mention them and the next day. Like I see that kind of, and once, sure, twice, three times is getting crazy. Can I, I'll give you an example actually of one coincidence, right? And then you can just, and the listeners can let, we can see how we feel about it. Okay. I was in a period of my life where I said, I'd say I was relative to my, other years in a good space of, you know, I was noticing things that was open. That's the best way to put

it, I was open, right? I was heading down to Brighton and it was Christmas Eve and I realized, at the time, I didn't care that much about Christmas. And so I was just, I knew I'd see people and I knew it was Christmas. So what I did is I went to my local, like, gift shop and bought, I think, my 30 candles and like wrapped them all up and put them in a shoebox and just thought, if whoever I bump into when I'm in Brighton, just give them a candle, right? Or like if I text them, I was following my phone, basically. So I was walking around Brighton, seeing people giving them candles. You know, if someone's family, that's like fucking eight candles gone.

You know what I'm saying? Anyway, I end up in a place called Hanover, seeing my old youth worker, Heinzzi, gave him a candle, gave his girlfriend a candle. And I was round the corner from my cousin, right? So I said to my cousin, oh, see her, I'm around the corner. Can I come, can I stay at yours tonight? And she went, what? You're going to fucking stay, you're going to be at mine on Christmas Day?

I was like, yeah. She was like, fucking yeah. So I like, come over. we get in there she's there my auntie her my uncle her dad who's this like incredible cameroonian man who's like you know sometimes a bit of a polonka but also like has this incredibly deep like um he's from like a cameroonian tribe that like has all this mad like ancestral understanding it's really cool so sometimes you get this wisdom and then sometimes you get this like really bizarre kind of like french humor anyway but um but he's great he's called yebka

is an incredible sex oftenist. And my auntie, Jodi, she works a lot of world music and at the time she was booking people for the Dome, for the Brighton Dome. Anyway, sorry, I don't know why I gave all that history. The point is I go around there and I'm talking to them and me and Yabka start getting into it

about like the history of words, right? You would have loved it. He's talking about how Rastas say, overstand, not understand. Yeah. And anyway, we all go to bed and I remember sleeping on the sofa, obviously, because I'm there last minute.

And I plugged my phone in and I tried to type in the meaning of the word understand and my phone glitches out for some reason. I don't know why it types its random letters, but it still searches and it comes up with life path eight, right? And I'm, like as the first search result. And I'm like a, I don't know, I'm a trippy guy, I'm a trippy I find it funny, like I said. So I was like, oh, life paths. I know about astrology, but I don't know about life paths. I'm reading this life path eight and I'm like, oh my God, this sounds like me, this sounds like me. And then I was like, oh, actually that doesn't sound like me. Okay,

and then the more I read it, it was just not me at all. But then I realized that I can calculate my own life path. So I put in the digits to my birthday, 25th of the first, 1992. I add them together and they come to 11, right? If it's a repeated number, you don't add those numbers together. So I'm a Life Path 11. I type Life Path 11 into the search and it comes up with Life Path 11, aka twin candles, aka the giver of light. Fuck off! I love that shit. Yeah, yeah. fucking insane is that. Can't explain it.

Wouldn't want to. I've hit up seat her. I've gone, you've got to come downstairs. What the fuck is this? Yeah. And then I went around for ages asking people with their life paths. And I had some bizarre things pop up again. People think this is, I don't know, I try and also keep a balance.

I listen to kind of scientists or wherever else you kind of all come forward. You told me a bit about my life path when we're in Kenya. I did. Yeah, it stayed with me shithead. And I'm sure, no, but it's great. And I remember with Harley as well was so mad. Harley had a side project after Rizzle Kicks called Jimmy Charles Moody. And it's brilliant music.

And I remember I did his life path. And I'm not, no word of a lot. It says other artists with this life path, other people with this life path, Jimmy Hendrix, Ray Charles. Like for Harley, it's like mental. I mean, the Moody's based off of a fictional character. Love that shit. I mean, I would go into talking about tarot, but I'm sure it will come up.

in another question and I felt like what you just told was just a beautiful way of explaining magic just because if I say it might come up later do you know what I mean? Okay, so your experience of magic is tied to taro?

Is that what you're saying? It's where it really got heightened in it and I couldn't really turn away or deny the power it was starting to have in guidance and clarity and synchronicity. Synchronicity. Fuck, yeah.

But we'll bring that up. Maybe in the next question. What's the next question? Today is magic. That's magic with a K, not magic with a C, and we'll explain why after. Oh, okay. Hello, Miss Me. This is Louisa, first time voice note, a long-time listener.

I think I've listened to every single episode. I love one people say that. So thank you very much. Keep it going. Magic, I have worked alongside a lot of magicians in my professional life. And I find it really, really strange that people would want to craft their whole, identity and the whole career over lying to someone's face, I just find it really disconcerting and I just don't trust.

How can you trust any of them? And they're saying, it's one thing and then suddenly it's not. And they're misleading. And it's all deception and everything. And yeah, I find that it creeps me out a little bit. I don't know what you think. Okay. I love that you work with magicians.

And you're telling us it's all lies. This is my friend said this. My friend said it's professional gaslighting. Absolutely, but isn't that interesting that I just said? You just said with the K. Exactly. I knew there would be. There's no way that it could be me and you sitting here talking about magic

and God's not going to show up. Or the producer chose the question specifically about. But I said the magic C versus K before I knew what the next question was. True, true, true, true. Stay with me. True, true, true. I'm sorry, I'm with you. I'm with you.

So we're talking about magic with a sea. So magic with the sea is what, this kind of lying bullshit that I imagine this lady's talking about, which is kind of abracadabra, where's the rabbit, saw the lady in half, right? This moved on from then, but... This is 1926. Yeah. But...

Can I escape from this box. But magic, exactly, is more that. But magic with a K, M-A-G-C-K, is... is associated with pre-Christian occultism and theosophy, and is a very different thing entirely. And I think that's what I was opened up to, you know, I'm reading the Tina Turner book about her spiritual life at the moment, course I am, and she was 35 when her spiritual life kind of fully came into her life.

But she talks in the book a lot about being a young girl in Nutbush in Tennessee and being very aware of the rhythm of nature and the inherent state of fight or flight that we, you know, sort of like preempting danger and just this idea of being in tune with the world around you. And I think we all are, but there just might be a time in your life where something happens, usually heartbreak,

usually disappointment, where you go deep into a spiritual understanding and a spiritual life. And if you're lucky enough, it can change everything. And that's what happened to me at 35. What was her question again? She was just basically saying that like, she doesn't like magic.

She thinks magic is lying. Oh, right. Sorry. So what I'm saying is this is the kind of magic I'm talking about, M-I-G-I-C-K, which is being open to not just the power of the universe, but also the law behind magic, the metaphysics of magic, this idea of, you know, that's why I have a Newton's cradle on my table because I sometimes need to hit that ball to remind myself that,

that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Now that isn't just like a nice idea. That is a law of physics. So I love that idea of mixing science and the otherworldly to create this very tangible thing called magic. I don't see magic as airy-fairy. I see it as very grounded, very real and very rooty. But that's also probably supported by the amount of

research I do into metaphysical living and letting metaphysics mirror the way you live and stuff. God, I didn't realize I was that passionate about it, sorry. No, it's great. There's a brilliant scientist called Britt Hartley. She's called No Nonsense Spirituality on Instagram. I love her stuff. And she calls herself a spiritual atheist, which is dope, because she doesn't like how basically like soulless atheism can become.

And she highlights them in her book, she highlights a couple of incredible, like, for example, Reiki is scientifically proven and they don't know how. Right. And that's like a really good example for people who are naturally cynical of a space that is actually culturally and scientifically accepted and they're still a little bit confused what exactly is happening. It's to do with energy and it's to do with warmth. They think it's placebo, but is it placebo because it's actually changing these people's bodies.

Anyway, mad. So that's a really good example of how we can drift between those two things. In terms of, I've got a different take on magic with a C, right? I'm not sure I consider it to, my friend calls it professional gas-diting. This woman saying that she thinks it's just deceptive. My belief, right, is one of the worst things that's happened to our species is the post-enlightenment scientific method, right? That's what's happened.

Post-enlightenment, I think it's Descartes or some guy like that, when, look, if we can prove beyond doubt that something is a thing, and you can measure it and whatever else, then it's a thing. If it's not that thing, then we can't, in good faiths, honestly say that it's real or it exists, right? So there's loads of things that happen in life, but if you can't measure it, you can't say it exists via the scientific method.

Sure. From the scientific method, we have loads of great things. We're on a laptop right now, probably to do with it. I don't know, like, all these things are to do with, like, a really methodological, like, rational way of explaining something. But I think in that, we've lost this, like, just believe, in the beyond, right? Like we used to worship trees and animals

and we used to like be totally at peace with the idea that some things were beyond explanation. Yes. And now if we can't explain it, we just don't believe it. So with something like magic, right, especially if you're a child or if you're just like a fucking open-minded adult full of wonderment, I don't care if for that second or that minute, I believe that something that's impossible is possible,

even if it has been done through deception, I like that feeling because that feeling for me is like way more, it's way more comforting and it's like I think it's why people latch on to conspiracy theories. I think it's why people think the earth's flat. I think it's why people get lost in things that like just give them the idea that life isn't just as flat as it's made out to be like it's something else happening and I think we do it with kids. I'd ask this woman my question to her would be like, okay, if you think it's public, if it's deception, will you tell your kids?

kid that father Christmas ain't real. Because I think what we know to be true is that wonder is a really important fundamental part of living. Of being a human. It's fucking essential. And you can see the people who haven't got it anymore. Yeah. Also, my cousin Iko said something really good once when I was like deep in the first years

of my spiritual work. And she was like, do you know what? Even if someone didn't believe, isn't it just a better existence to, to just believe that something's out there? something else is happening, isn't it even if you don't think it might be true. That frequency. It's just known as something more. But then it's like that is true, but that's what makes magic true

because it's like your life completely exponentially changes when you believe that there is beauty everywhere and that if you do good and you take care of people and you put out the right energy to get what you want. But it's just all very fucking simple to me. But I understand why some people would still feel that it needed more like rationality and grounding. It's like, no, fly with it, babes. Be in the air.

Yeah, I think just lean into the unexplainable. Like, that's one thing we can't. Explain. Ague with, you know, even if you don't believe, yeah, if you don't believe in a God or like organized religion, obviously it's kind of trippy sometimes and people are talking to you about what's real and what isn't and they believe that a man at some point was resurrected from the dead and whatever.

Like, again, I'm neither here or there. I'm just saying it's interesting to me that people can question reality now, but then believe in a reality that can, possibly be proven and, you know, possibly deceptive. Do you know what abracadabra actually means? It's so cool. Um, oh, uh, that's open sesame. Now what is it? So abrogadabra is, uh, that widely believed to, uh, originate from the Aramaic language, which is, uh, I guess the first language of the world. One of the OG languages, yeah. No, no, probably, I'm not sure if it's the first language. You can't say that. But it's an O.G one of them. One of them. And people would say

abracadabra it's just like a wand and a rabbit but actually it means I create as I speak which is magic to believe that word is God is the magic word is God word is God we might call the episode word is God but we've done this we already did this we still call it spelling we did this already I said it cursing it's like tell people about magic for time you're altering like we look into these stories of witches and wizards and shit and we think like oh isn't it mad but we hold that power yes we can say a thing to a person and alter their conscious state. Like if you turn to a person and say, fuck you, you piece of shit, it changes how they feel. That is a fucking spell.

Exactly. If you turn to, if you turn someone and say, you, sorry, can I just say you look absolutely gorgeous. They feel good. You have said a thing and changed that, like, that is incredible. That's honestly incredible. God, let's try it. Say it to me now. Mikita, today, the yellow bouncing off your skin differently. Like, you honestly look fantastic. Seriously. Let's have another question. Oh my God, that's how much I need to be flirted with. Let's have another question.

No, I'm fine. Hello, Megita and Jordan. Thank you so much for creating the beautiful podcast. Anyway, my question about magic, I am a herbal and holistic hairdresser, and I do tarot readings and Reiki for my clients and other kinds of, woo-woo magical things. I found when I transitioned into offering these kinds of things, I had quite a lot of backlash and quite a lot of people that were very rude to me, to my face and over text messages and things like that, which was really hard to manage.

And I just wanted to ask if you've ever had that with your more spiritual side or your more kind of magical woo-woo side, however you want to describe it. Yeah, how to deal with that, really. So yeah, thank you so much for the podcast. And thank you for listening to my question. Maybe it's because you're calling it woo-woo. No, I'm joking. But I know, I've never had to hold that. People are very open and warm to my magical spiritual life that way. Yeah, I wouldn't say it would be in your immediate circle.

I think we generally try, we tend to gravitate towards like-minded people in that space. I suppose maybe it started off as, I mean, I was called a fucking hippie as a teenager a lot every day. But I think that was because I was wearing. hippies, I'm a hippie. I'm a hippie. It's so funny, that was such cuss when I was young. How can that be a cuss? What you love the earth? That's how taps we are as a species. Or what do you, what do you want to do? Hug a tree. Yeah, want to hug a fucking tree. Let's go. You would love it. You should hug a tree. You would love it. Aaron, you'd love it, Aaron, year eight. You need to hug more trees,

Aaron. I would like to say, just because this lady works in with tarot, I would like to just say something really magical did happen. I told you about it quickly when we were in Sri Lanka and Phoebe was giving everyone readings. And Phoebe did a reading with our auntie Allison, who's Lily's mum, and she's never had a reading before. And Phoebe keeps in her deck a card of Pamela Coleman Smith, who was this incredible woman in the sort of late 18th century, mixed race woman. We believe she was gay, a queer woman. And she ran with a mad crowd like Van Helsing. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like those kind of people. Do you mean Van Halen? No. This is like late 18th century. Isn't Van Helsing like a fictional character?

Okay, maybe it is Van Halen. No, not Van Halen. Hang on. Van Helsing like a like a vampire slayer or something. Yeah, no, sorry. Bram Stoker. That's it. Oh, Bram Stoker. The author of Dracula. Yeah, she ran with them. That's so funny. Van Helsing. She's running with like an actual demon. Yeah. Let me show you how like. Yeah, she's just rocking out. Yeah, shout out.

She was a British artist, illustrator, writer, publisher and occultist. Another occultist. But she's best known for illustrating the Rider Waite tarot for Arthur Edward Waite. This is the, like a hugely popular tarot deck is probably the one Phoebe's used. I remember you saying this already, you'll miss me. Yeah. Crazy. Probably the one Phoebe's used many times.

But Phoebe keeps the card of her, like her bio card in the deck because she likes her spirit. there. Sometimes people get it. Allison gets it, right? And Phoebe's like, you know what? You should make a film about her life. Because this woman is, you know, as I said, runs with the fast crowd and also dies penniless and unknown. And Alice was like, yeah, sounds all right, whatever. Then Phoebe leaves Sri Lanka, goes back to London. That night, Alison, who's a huge film producer, gets a pitch. Oh no, you didn't say this already on, Miss Me. I was there. Yeah, you came and I said, you're not going to believe what just fucking happened. And Phoebe had been spreading magic all over this holiday. So it wasn't that surprising,

but still, we were all quite blown away. Then, sorry, so Alison then says, I've just comes to dinner and goes, McKee, you're not going to believe it. I just got pitched a film called Pixie, which is all about Pamela Coleman Smith's life. No one knows this woman. No one's heard of her. Oh my God. And Alison then gets sent the manuscript about this woman, and Phoebe told her about fucking what? And obviously she came through a tarot reading. So this woman wants her story to be told. Alison's made huge films, by the way,

like saving Mr Banks and Elizabeth and the rest. So do remember this story. Because that was magic. We were just like, fuck, you know. Love that. All right, let's have another question, shall we? I feel quite magicy in this space. Final question.

Final question. See, it is just better to sit in a space of magic. I feel great. Hi. My question on the topic of magic this week is if you could cast a spell on someone, what would it be? And I don't know if casting a spell on someone specifically is a bit creepy and weird, so maybe more generic and sort of like a superpower. I'll leave up to you. Thank you. Love you, love you guys. Thank you, sexy husky-voiced vixen.

I would say never cast a spell on anyone. It is a terrible idea. if you're going to cast a spell on anyone, cast it on yourself and cast it to release, let go and trust God. God. Well, the universe. The universe. I do believe in God, yes. My friend said something funny to me the other day,

they were like, the thing that bugs her quite a lot about people who are really religious is that they could, they'll be like going to like fucking like brain surgery or like heart surgery and survive and then be like, thank God. Yeah, yeah. She's like, no, thank the fucking doctor. Nah, me.

Just the surgeon who just trained for fucking 10 years, being in practice for 20, just saved your fucking life. It's not God, but, or they'll say he's channeling through God. Yes, well, exactly. Maybe thank both of them. I do like the idea that the universe is watching you. That's a nice thing. Sorry, a benevolent universe is a nice idea.

Yeah, not just watching, listening, talking. I think I would, what I would love to do is cast a spell on, just going to completely go against what you just said. I'm just going to live in this fantasy for a second. I would love to make someone in a position of power. There's few to choose from. You know the type. You know the type, yeah.

I would somehow use a spell to get them into the woods or the forest with an indigenous tribe. A person of power and an indigenous tribe in some woods. I'm intrigued. What the fuck are you going to make? them do? I just used to spell to get them there and then the rest will just the rest will unravel as it should. I fantasise a lot about people sharing someone with mass visibility and someone who has like quite opposing views or at least their life is driving us away from connecting to nature. I fantasise about them going there and then just just one-eating entirely on their entire existence and then using

their massest amounts of wealth and influence to re-inform the earth that actually we can head back into the forest rather than digitalise it. That's nice, children. That's very nice children. Yeah, that's it. Okay, that's it. That's enough magic. I'm joking. If you want more magic, just keep your bloody eyes open. Believe in it.

Just believe. You know what I mean? Just believe. Seriously, my whole life's a fucking dream. Isn't yours? I can quote myself. I can quote myself. Should I do it or no? Yeah, go. Fruits are revealed to eyes that appealed.

That's quite sweet. Was that from a children's book you wrote? No, it wasn't. I just wrote it on Instagram once. Okay. Fruits are revealed when eyes are peeled. And you know what I'd like to say just as like an additional thing that cousin Sasha always says, which is great. The day you plant the seed is not the day you eat the fruit.

And believe me, I plant seeds every day. And then suddenly I'm just lying in. bowls of peaches, metaphorically. Yeah. So just fucking keep believing people. All right, it's nice to give some magic to the world. What should we talk about next week? Remember, it's summer.

It's cooling down. So next week's listen, bitch, is drugs, which we can do now because we're commercial. We can sell the thing. Yeah, let's be free. Let's talk about drugs. It's summer. Although I did once, I did mention drugs on another podcast and lost a lot of money. Did you?

Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll. So let's lose some more. some money. Let's lose some fucking money with the truth. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening to Miss Me. This is a Persephonica show.