Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Dreams

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about dreams.Next week, we want to hear your questions about Birthdays. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

BBC Sounds music radio podcast. Miss Me contains very strong language and some adult themes. Welcome to Listen, bitch. I've just took my cashmere jumper off and I didn't put deodorant on this morning so I absolutely reek of beer. She stinks, she smells like shit but she's never looked better. Welcome to Listen Bitch. Everyone, Lily, her boobs, me, my face. Excuse me, excuse me, that's sexual harassment in the workplace. Thank you very much.

Well, they go oink, not oink oink. Boop boop. What are they? No, no, no. No, no, no. Honk honk about sex. I'm asking you not to. You do not have consent to honk my boobs.

Okay? Welcome to Listen, Bitch. The theme is... Dreams. So we'll start with, if I do this, what are you going to sing? It was all a dream. It was all a dream. I used to read Word Up magazine.

Come on, piggy. Yeah, I know, but I don't know the words, so I'm not going to do it. Oh, that's my tune. Okay, what would you like to be your dream tune? What am I talking about? Just sing my favourite Lily Allen song. Let's go. Which one? Dreams, dreams, dreams of when we had just started things, dreams of me and you. And

it seems, it seems that I can't shake those memories. I can't shake those memories. I can't remember the rest of the words to that. Last line is my favourite. No, I don't wanna know what dreams come. I can't remember. No, the line is, I wonder if you have the same dreams too. Oh yeah.

No wonder if you have the same dreams too. Lyrics. I love that song. Alright, let's have our first question for today's Listen, Bitch. The theme is obviously, obviously dreams. Hey, this is Fiona in Brooklyn. And my question about dreams is have you ever had a dream that comes true? And you think you're clairvoyant and you're like, how in the hell do I hone this skill to understand it at an earlier time? There have been so many instances where I've had a dream

and the exact same thing happens and you get this deja vu feeling, but it's different than deja vu because you're like, no, I had a dream that this was going to happen and it's what happens, but you couldn't ever predict that it was going to happen, you know? Yeah, love the pod, love you both. Thank you. Maybe she could be your new friend in Brooklyn.

I have a dream, I have a dream! Um, I... This is gonna get quite stupid today. I don't think I ever have had that happen. You're right. Is she talking, is that lady talking about having a dream, like at night time when you sleep and then that coming to be? Yes.

Yeah, I think that might be quite specific. I mean, Freud does say that this is Freud's take on dreams, that dreams are about wish fulfillment and about destiny. But I hope not for some of the weird fucking dreams I have. I really hope it's not a sign of things to come. Because I'm constantly being hunted in my dreams. Hunted, Lily. Really? Yeah, it's horrible. And it's always been like, honestly, the other day,

I had the worst version of it. And then I woke up at four in the morning, cold sweats at my mom's house. So happy to be at my mom's house. Then went back to sleep and entered the same dream of being hunted by this same motherfucker that no one else thought was dangerous and that happens a lot as well. I'm always saying, he's dangerous, he's dangerous and no one believes me and I have to keep running and hiding from this, from said kind

of monster-y man. It's not nice at all. Do you talk to your therapist about that? Yeah, a little bit. Good. But I just don't want to exacerbate fear. Basically, it's fear manifesting, I think. A lot of my fears manifest into my dreams. I don't usually have lovely dreams that I want to stay in for ages.

I used to have a lot of not being hunted, but being chased down by the authorities as a kid, dreams. Like that I'd committed a crime and I was gonna be found out. Really? Yeah, I think I used to like maybe, you never see anyone die in a dream, right? But I think like I murdered people in my dreams

and or like not murdered them because like, oh, you know, I just wanted to kill someone but because like they'd done something bad or it was like self-defense, but then, you know, knowing that I didn't have a alibi. Well not an alibi but there's just no one nobody would believe me so I had to run. That's horrible. That's a bit like my hunted one. We're both being hunted in our dreams. F**ked up. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully these are they're not about wish fulfillment

but no I've never I have a lot of dreams in life that I manifest into being. I suppose that would be most recently, my latest article in the Observer. Oh my goodness. I'm a writer. How do you feel? How do you feel? I've been off Instagram and kind of hibernating. So I forgot it was coming out and then you

text me and said, it's so good. I'm very proud. And I was like, oh my God, it must be good then. Let me read it. And it was really good. I was really proud. That's good. That's good.

That's something I didn't think I'd do. Can you tell me what the process was? So you went to the restaurant. Makita had a restaurant review in The Guardian this weekend. She was sitting in for Jay Rayner. It's a good sentence, isn't it? Yeah. And when you went to the restaurant, did you take a notebook with you? As I said to you when I went, like a couple weeks ago, I was all like, la la la. My mom was like, you need to take notes. You need to be writing things

down. You need to be taking pictures. What was uncomfortable was I didn't tell Dorian that I was doing a review. So I really hope they're okay with it. But it's definitely something I'd be interested in. The process is quite fun. Go to the restaurant, eat nice food, say what you thought about it. I was like, I could do this for a job. It's fucking easy. But writing about food is quite difficult. Just coming up with lots of not expletives, that's the wrong word, adjectives for food and to not sound kind of samey and repetitive. That I found really hard and my mum did really help. Reaching for the flowery language.

Yeah, and she was like, don't say how everything arrives. Don't say it arrived like this. There was one thing I was very proud of the way I said it arrived. Do you know what it was? No. It was the Rosti. Oh yeah, privilege. I thought that was quite good. It was the Rosti. Oh yeah, privilege. I didn't really understand that. Can you explain? Okay, so the Rosti arrived smart and privileged. I was trying to say that like the Rosti had an air of grandiosity to it and neatness and sort

of it's a bit better than you. Okay. Okay. Personifying the Rosti, Lil. Becoming the Rosti, if you will. Okay, you personified the Rosti. Well done. That's what I do in my dreams. It was an aspirational thing for you to do and you did it and it's brought you joy and I'm happy. I'm really happy for you that you did that.

Completed. Thank you, Lil. I feel like a grown up. And I hope that the universe you that you did that, completed. Thank you, Lil. I feel like a grown up. And I hope that the universe brings you more of that. That would be nice. Please, manifest. Yeah, I think it would be great. Do you want to be my next guest?

Sure. Okay, cool. I'm just going to a nice restaurant with Lil, we could do that. Just edge this into a restaurant review show. Okay, let's have another question. Hi, I'm Makita. It's Greg from Ipswich. Love the podcast.

I was dating someone for two, three months, went to bed, had a dream. And in this dream, there's a fictional character or fictional person. I really liked them, really in love. I woke up and I knew it wasn't real, but it did make me realise, oh, I'm not feeling that with the person I'm dating. And I do think it was my subconscious helping me out or figure something out. So my question to you is, have you ever acted upon or changed something in your life because of what happened in a dream? I felt like there are people I can't trust because of what I've seen them behave like in my dreams when they haven't done anything to me, which is quite discombobulating.

There are people in my life that are like villainous in a dream and I'm like, wake up hating them and then have to remind myself that actually it was a dream. I think this is quite a big kind of overview of the whole conversation, which is like, I think it's important to not take dreams too literally. I think if you feel like something is tapped into your instinct and your current situation, as in I'm not feeling my partner, fine, but don't be too rash to act upon the subconscious too often. Sometimes you can trust it, but sometimes you can't. Do you ever act upon something that's happened in a dream? Do you ever murder any of these people that you murdered?

No. Didn't go on a killing spree. I don't, I think my dreams are quite like out there. They're not, they don't really like follow a narrative. They're usually about like a feeling or an emotion, or I had this like sort of repetitive dream when I was a kid, which was not, there wasn't a story to it,

but it was just very much about like masculinity and femininity. And like I would be on this road and there was like a cottage like with a thatched roof. And I'd go in the cottage and like in the drawers there'd be like those little cushions that were potpourri, you know, like the, which we used to get have in the 80s. And I felt very much like I was in a feminine space. And then I would go somewhere else and it would be like a big dark sort of warehouse,

like in the final scene of like Terminator with chains and sandbags. And like the coloring was like black and terracotta, like dark, you know, browns and like earthy and like the colouring was like black and terracotta like dark you know browns and like earthy and like muddy and I just knew that was man. And you were sort of living in between these places? No, I wanted to get away from Terminator and go to the safety of Thatched Cottage. I cannot believe you were cultivating these thoughts from such a young age because that

is basically Miss Me. What do you mean? Dissecting masculinity and femininity and where is safe and where you see yourself. I mean, this is quite a grown up kind of thinking within dreams at that age, don't you think? I mean, I think we have to take into account what environment I was growing up in, you know, and like, I don't know, I really don't want to cry. Because like I had last week. I'm emotional about it. But you know, it was like, I grew up like in a really very highly

charged, my sense of self and consciousness was being formed at a time where my parents were going through divorce. It was really volatile. And yeah, I think my little brain was just trying to make sense of it all from a really early age and why certain things felt safe and other things didn't. Yeah, and how to protect yourself within that. But then I do, I think I do have dreams that have stories, but I just don't remember them. Like my mum told me that once I was sleeping in her bed and I just like sat upright and

went, well, you certainly won't be getting that promotion now, will you, Sergeant? And then went back to sleep again. Tell me this. You did tell me this. Sort of a weird army outburst. God, what fucked up little kids we were. I don't think we're still quite fucked up.

You don't think we're fucked up anymore? No, I said I think we are still quite fucked up. And we've turned it into gold. So don't worry about that. I understand that though. Shamili, I do understand that trying to control your environment in chaos as a child. I think we did all right. Let's have another question. Let's have another peppier question about dreams and I'll bring in my young Ian theories. Hello Lily. Hello Meketa. Big fan of the podcast. My name's Darrell. Hope we can see some more live shows soon. My question's about lucid dreams. Have you both had any?

And what did you actually do in them? I mean, for me, I've had a couple, but the one that springs to mind was around, having around the high pandemic. For whatever reason, I was in the film Aladdin, the animated one, and Aladdin was just moonwalking for some reason. I just remember thinking, what the fuck is this? And then I don't know

what happened. I just woke up in the dream and then I just found myself flying and it was amazing. And then eventually everything just kind of went to dark and then I woke up. So yeah. So what's both your like recollections any lucid dreams? Have you had any? Oh, lucid dreaming. I've never really understood the distinction between dreaming and lucid dreaming. What is lucid dreaming? It's like, his takes him to Aladdin doing the moonwalk. But what is the difference? Oh, no, no. It's about when you can influence or control the dreams narrative. Now that I have done. I've done that with, because someone asked me today when we were talking about dreaming, what dreams do you really like?

And I was like, obviously when I'm snogging someone I really fancy it. If you had some of those, those are really good. Those are really good. And I've done everything in my power to not leave the dream. I can feel myself leaving. I'm like, no, no, I'm not done yet. I'm not done. I think I had a really great sex dream about like Jared Leto when I was like 18. And it ended too soon.

Wow. Let's just say I wasn't done. That dream couldn't end quickly enough for me. I don't think I'd want to play with him now. I just, I feel really sad because I just don't really remember my dreams. There have been periods of time in my life when I do remember my dreams, but just not on the moment. Ellie said the interesting thing about dreams is no one cares about other people's dreams. I was like, thanks for saying that as we do Listen Bitch. But it's like, you always say, oh my god, I had the weirdest dream last

night, let me tell you about it but then if someone goes I've had a dream where you're like I don't care this didn't happen so it kind of puts the episode into Oh Christ this area but I hope we're making it interesting why don't you ask for another question Lil let's see where it takes us. I would love to hear another question as long as it doesn't ask me to recall a dream because I don't remember any of them. Hi Lillian McEther, this is Lee, Quote from Formal, and my question about dreams this week is can having dreams ever be more harmful than beneficial? And in this sense I mean that I feel on social media there's a push to always be hyperproductive and to always know what

you have going on and to have a very good sense of self. So I just wanted to all guys's insights into whether having big aspirations and big dreams can actually do damage to oneself because we put ourselves under so much pressure to reach certain goals in perspective with people around us and what they're doing. Love the podcast guys and yes, see you soon. Very interesting question, lovely Lee in Cornwall. I mean, this is a good time for me to be thinking about this because everything in my life has just suddenly changed. And it's been really good for me. It's actually been really good for me

to not be like, right, this is where I'm heading. Sometimes it's quite good to get like kicked up the ass by life or punched in the face by life. And you have to kind of recalibrate what's important to you. And I'm still very ambitious and focused on the things that I wanna build. But I'm also really enjoying spending a lot of time with my nan and helping

Garfield walk the dogs a lot and actually being there for my mum more. I didn't know that my mum sort of does need extra support in certain parts of her life and I'm really helping her with that. You know what it is? It's about, it's taking all the gays away from what you want to achieve for yourself, for your benefit. And I'm living. What have the gays done to you? And so I've decided to be more of a, you know, living for other people and their joy and their shit and it's felt really good. I didn't even decide it's just what's happened and it's what feels nice. Gosh, that's so funny. It's like completely the opposite for me.

Like I feel like I think, you I think people probably have an idea of me that I'm quite selfish. And actually, so much of my decision making is informed by what other people think, what's going to make other people happy. And I lose myself. I find it really hard to identify goals and what I want. And so at the moment, I'm really trying to be practicing this one thing, which is, do I like this? No, it's very good for you to go into complete self-serving space. Yeah,

I'm like, am I enjoying myself? Do I like this? Because I have a habit of just like tunnel vision, just getting through it, you know, whether it's like organizing birthday parties or, you know, just stuff life, the way in which I'm like perceived publicly, like expressing myself, is that gonna piss this person off? Is that gonna piss this person off? And actually, do I believe this? Do I like this?

Is this true? That's where I'm at at the moment. But you know what intrigues me about that? Because I was just thinking, well duh, you've been famous since you were 21 and a mother since you were 25. Both those things bring all of that, thinking about other people a lot. And before that we were so footloose and fancy free, weren't we? And I wonder though how it felt for you to be, because when you became like Lily Allen and stuff,

it wasn't just like you weren't just singing songs. It was very like I have opinions on things. And this is how I feel about the world, even if it was like LDN or Smiley Happy Jazzy, you always were kind of observing. How did you feel with like your opinions being so out in the world and everyone listening to them? It's interesting because it was just in the cusp of like the internet and well not in the internet because the internet had been around for a while but I guess like social media and things being that's saying online forever.

Right. Because you know, we are human beings and our opinions change. Like there are things that I said and that I did when I was 21 that will forever be there on the internet that make me cringe now and that I certainly don't agree with. And people try and hold me to account for things. Like, I'll do something now and I'll see people on, you know, message boards or on TikTok

or whatever going like, didn't she say this? And it's like, yeah, I did 20 years ago, when I was like, hadn't had 20 more years experience or knowledge on something. So yes, it was like fairly liberating, because it was this new age where you could say things, and you had control over those things being put out into the world. But it hadn't ever happened before. You know, like, there was that saying when we were growing up, it's like, you know, today's news is tomorrow's chip paper. It isn't because the internet doesn't turn into chip paper. It's just become something that you, every time you type in Lily Allen or McKeezer Oliver, it all fucking comes up. It lives forever. So there's a flip side to both of it. Like, I think at the time I felt like, wow, this is amazing.

Like I'm a young woman, I can have these opinions and these, and I can express myself in this way and it feels really powerful. But then it was really easy for people to like grab onto those things and use them against me and still is. And also sometimes I have to be, sometimes I feel like myself self-censoring myself because I know of things that already exist out in the world that might contradict things that I think now. And so it's like self-censoring. Yeah.

When? When was that? I can't think of an example, but like there'll be something that I'll feel like, Oh, I'd like to say this. Oh, I can't say this because I remember a couple of years ago, I said this. Or, Oh, you know what? Okay, here's an example. So like, you know, if I was to make an album now, and I wanted to put a cover version on it,

I would think, oh, I can't do that, because I so famously told Beyonce that she shouldn't have covered Jolene, even though that's not what I fucking said. I know that that exists out there in the internet, and that that would be used as ammunition if I wanted to do a cover version of the song on a record. So that's what I mean in terms of like the instant. Yes, it's great. And that it gives you this freedom to express yourself. But at the same time, because the past is there in black and white and never dies and can

be used against you, it can be limiting and it can result in self-censorship. And now you guys aren't gonna get my cover of... Dreams, Gabrielle. Miley Cyrus's party in the USA. It's not gonna happen. I do think you should cover Gabrielle Dreams though. That would be so... Dreams can come true.

And also I think there's a whole generation of people that don't know that song and imagine living a life without knowing that song. By the way, I had the words to that song wrong forever. Dreams can come true. Look at me, babe. I'm into you. You know you've got to have them. You know you've got to be strong.

I always thought it was dreams can come true. I know, babe, because I've had a few. That's quite good though. I know, babe, because I've had a few. That's quite good though. I know baby, cause I've had a few. You know you got to have them. You know you got to have them. You know you got to be strong. What a tune.

See that's quite a good answer to him. Like he, about the ambition, sorry we've gone so somewhere around the asses, but that's, you know, just don't listen to us. Listen to Gabrielle, because they are, you know you do have to have them. You do have to have dreams. And even if it's me and you like doing some property

porn-ing, do you know what I mean? Like that is still a dream of a new chapter in life and what it might look like and who you might be and what you might have learned, what things might have come into your life. Let's just finish that. Dreams can come true. You know you've got to have them. You know you've got to be strong. There you go. dreams can come true. You know, you got to have them. You know, you've got to be strong. There you go Dreams can come true, but then you wake up one day and realize the whole thing was a lie

It was all a lie And then and sometimes just sometimes that happens And that's the kick up the ass in life that I was talking about So have dreams that don't think it protects you from being punched in the face by life. No one's the kick up the ass in life that I was talking about. So have dreams, don't think it protects you from being punched in the face by life. No one's- Is immune to that. No one is protected from that. I think we should probably take a break. It's probably time for a break.

Carl Jung needs a fag break, he said. Yeah. Welcome back to Listen Bitch, the theme is dreams and joining us today is Sigmund Freud through Google and Carl Jung and Carl Jung's coming later. Let's have another question. Yo, Lillikita. This is Ali from Newcastle, but I'm currently in the Alps in a four years in France, overlooking the mountains. I'm in a high altitude. I'm looking over listening to Miss Me and doing charcoals of the mountains. Sounds amazing, doesn't it?

Because the altitude's really high, we're all having like mental dreams every night. So is there any place in the world where you think your dreams are more mental or when you traveled, does it affect it differently? But is there any particular place where you've had the most mental dreams? Love to hear you, love you guys. Bye! Did you hear what Ali called us? Lily Keats. Hi Lily Keats. I think actually, when I've been traveling countries that have really spicy food, I have funny dreams and spicy food affects my dreams.

And what makes them spicier? No, just a little bit more like... Mine was also the mountains in Aspen when I was 22, the greatest trip of my life. We were doing T4 Christmas special, so then TV had money. We went for three weeks to Aspen. Can you imagine? Three weeks? Wow. To do like a little bit of television.

And God, it was such a great trip. I learned that I'm an incredible skier. And I learned that I love the mountains and that ties into my Scottish ancestry. It was a deep place to be and I dreamt, I had an extremely weird dream. All of my dreams were of flying while I was there. Actually, that's when my flying dreams started. That's the other thing, I'm either being hunted or I'm flying and because I'm flying I have to drop and that's why I hate roller coasters and things like that because that drop, that tummy drop I've been doing in my dreams since I was 20, it's like this

weird thing where I go really high up and then I go, oh God, here we go. I have to go down and my whole tummy drops. It's the most horrible unnerving feeling and I go through it quite a lot in my dreams. So I don't know what that would mean. What would Young say about that? He says, let's see what we've done, Freud. Let's see what Young says. An expression of the, oh, this is Carl Young, obviously.

An expression of the overall psychic situation. It's like your own personal language. Some dreams will be interesting, some won't. Dreams are impartial, spontaneous products of the unconscious psyche outside the control of the will. But if you pay attention to them, you might learn something about your subconscious. So Young and Freud on the same page as always, as the colleagues and lifelong friends they were. Did you watch that film A Dangerous Method about Carl Young and Sigmund Freud with Michael Fassbender and... No. Keira Knight.

I did not. I haven't seen either, but it really looks quite good. Anyway. Let's watch it. Oh, let's have another question. While we're here, let's have another one. Hey, Makita and Lily, it's Sanya here from Kent. Absolutely love the podcast, absolutely love both of you guys, big fans since day. Makita, love your style, Lily, love your music.

So dreams, I'm coming at this from a yoga perspective because I'm a yoga teacher. I personally rarely dream, but when I do, I hate it. I just feel like it's made my sleep a little bit less peaceful, which is not fun. I was on an advanced teacher training in the Himalayas this summer, and my yoga philosophy teacher said to us that if you dream, it means that you are mentally disturbed, which I thought was a little bit dramatic and harsh of her to say.

But on a practical level, she's right. Obviously it does mean that your sleep has been a little bit less still and a bit less peaceful, but she was basically suggesting that if you dream, it means that you've got like emotional issues that need addressing so that you can move towards a place of more mental stillness. I just thought it was a really interesting point for discussion. Would love to know what both of you think about it. Anyway, lots of love. Bye. I'm going to bring in Freud again. Okay. Bring in Sigmund. Come on, Sigmund. Welcome to ListenFitch. Welcome, Sigmund.

Freud says, clever bastard. He says, it's split into two elements, the latent and the manifest. The latent is the hidden meaning, the subconscious messaging, the desires, the latent and the manifest. The latent is the hidden meaning, the subconscious messaging, the desires, the wishes, the conflicts. That's probably like my sex dream with Jared Leto. And then we have the manifest, the actual structure of the dream and the storyline. Ah, the narrative. That's interesting. Yes. Because there are dreams with like, sometimes I have them, there's like unbelievable narratives going on, Like lots of different storylines and characters that look a bit like you and Phoebe, but then they're not really like, it really does make you feel like you're insane when you have certain dreams.

But what do you think? You're doing a good job. Me and Sigmund have got this. No, she was saying that her yoga instructor told her that if you dream that you're mad. And I don't agree because I don't dream, but I am definitely mad. So your theory is your conspiracy theory is fucked. Bring it in. Bring it in. Get a fucking item.

Your conspiracy theory is flawed. Enjoy your yoga, but your teacher's full of shit. Final question please for this week's Listen Bitch, the theme is dreams. Hi, Lily. Hi, I'm Makeda. Love the podcast. I left a horrible relationship 10 years ago now and I've been on a meteoric rise since and I feel like I've accomplished all my dreams. So my question for you is, do you feel like you've accomplished all your dreams? And if not, what's next? I love that.

I've been on a meteoric rise ever since. Good for you. Good for you. Walk away from that dickhead, create a new life for yourself. I was saying to Phoebe the other day, it's good to have an umbrella goal, but don't worry about the details.

Don't like, but what happens? What will it look like until I meet the, but what happens? What will it look like until I meet the man of my dreams? What will it look like? It doesn't matter. Have an umbrella fantasy place that you like to think about and let God and the universe get on with the details, because the details will always be better than you ever could imagine, but not if you control them with what you think your dreams are. So that makes sense though. Like the world can always surprise you and give you better than you can even really write down. Yes, I think that's called surrendering to a higher power. Yeah.

I'm going to think up some new dreams, I think. Hmm. Mm-hmm. I think it will be quite a new unique experience for you to get mood boarding. I think you need to get on Pinterest to get mood boarding of your new dreamy chapter. I started doing it the other day with my new flat. It was very interesting, very exciting. I've been doing like, I totally forgot about that element on Pinterest. It really makes it stand out as an app and the software it uses. But the

fact that it's got that little like magnifying glass when you can, I went on like Bette Midler's, Bette Midler's got this extraordinary penthouse in New York. Just love it and she's selling it. So it's all over the place. And I went on her terrace because I was obsessed with the wooden chairs she has, her garden furniture. And I just went on it and then took me straight to First Dibs that had the exact same set for 20 grand, which I can't afford, but I really appreciate the journey and the connection. So I've just returned to Pinterest boards. I used to think they were a bit naff, but actually they're really fucking great. I'm going to go now and go downstairs and get some good food from you know where. It's not open on Mondays. Oh, come on. We're going to have to change the day that we do miss me. I'm not coming all this way, not being able to go to that restaurant.

I will speak to you later, but do you want to do, I've got quite a good Listen Bitch but I feel like I keep feeding them to you and that's not fair. No we're doing, you want something? I've got something. The theme for next week's Listen Bitch is... Birthdays! Oh my god! week's Listen Bitch is... Birthdays! Oh my god!

Yeah, there's actually no hiding it from anymore. You know my birthday's next week and I haven't even... I'm like, why do you think I chose birthdays? No, because it's your birthday. No. Yeah, but yours is like five days later, as always. Isn't that sweet that we're five days apart? Such crazy Torians. You're going to be 42. I'm actually going to be 41. Oh, sorry. Isn't that funny because in my head I'm already 40, so that's why I put you at 42. I know. I told

you not to waste the last bit of 39, but you didn't listen. It's birthdays because we're both about to have birthdays. Lily's got a big one. She's turning 40. I've got a pretty nondescript 41 coming up, which I'm actually really into. Now that I know 40s aren't scary, I'm like, I'm fine with more. I can handle it. It's fun.

It's a gift. Birthdays it is. The number is 0800, no 110 shows and I still can't remember the number. 08000, 304090, 08000, 304090. We'll see you then. Thanks Lil. Bye babe. Bye babe.

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