Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Games

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

This week Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens go deep on your questions around games, covering many different meanings of the word. Do you play well? Does your family play well together? Is love a game to be played? Don’t panic, of course Monopoly gets mentioned as does its surprising origin story.Next week the theme is ERAS OF TIME. Where are we all gonna land with this one?! Medieval times? A Victorian parlour? The 1970s? For better or worse?WhatsApp us your voicenote questions on ‘eras of time’ to https://wa.me/447849030711Get weekly recommendations for things to watch or read or listen to from the Miss Me? Library every Friday at patreon.com/missmeFollow the show on instagram and TikTok @missme.4evaYou can contact Miss Me? on email at [e-mail] Producer: Natalie JamiesonTechnical Producer: Oliver Geraghty Assistant Producer: Katie-Louise Buxton Video Editor: Jack BoswellProduction Coordinator: Tom JacksonExecutive Producers: Sam MichellMiss Me? is a Persephonica show Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello everyone and welcome to Listen Bitch. We should probably profess before we begin that this is a warning, a warning, warning, warning, warning, warning, do you remember that chute? No, what's happening? It's before your time. It's a jungle tune. This is a little warning that I sound like shit. So Jordan was going to carry it with his deltic tones, but Jordan also is a little bit ill.

But I actually think the word that I hate most in media, that they cannot stop yelling in my ear is relatable. And I'm sure everyone's feeling a bit ill at the moment. So let's just be ill together in Listen Bitch today. I think one of my best friends gave me the illness. Vot over the phone. Oh yeah, I know who made me sick. It's funny when you know who made you sick, isn't it?

Yeah. I don't want to hate you, but you've kind of ruined my month. Our theme today, but listen bitch, it's games. Games. The games we play with each other, how we've found. with each other. And then it can also be par cheesy. It could also be pool.

Sorry, par cheesy? What's that? I think that's a parlour game. Do you know what that means? No. It means a Victorian like game played in the parlour. For entertainment, Jordan. For televisions.

Is a parlour just a place? Yeah, like the parlour room in a home. What's in a parlour room? Well, it was for entertaining and where you kind of like socialised with each other. But I was like a living room Yeah I was thinking there is a modern word for it It's like a living room

But I think it's a bit more of a In the Victorians I mean this is why I was thinking about parlor games When I said games Because you know The fuck else are you gonna do People read a lot Played music

And you would play games with each other Which I love I love the idea of people coming around to visit On a Wednesday night And you all like blindfold each other And play like blind man's buff Isn't it funny though That like we've somehow managed to base

like so just like historical understanding of Victorians from like literally the upper class only I know

I know but maybe is it like Christmas Carol perhaps all of great expectations like you have like some tiny stories but

you think of oh you know what the Victorians used to do not all Victorians yeah it's like I don't think they had parlour games

in the slums other other other Victorians were like and a coughing to death on like a pavement I know I have such an idealistic view

of not only the past, but particularly the Victorians. They used to throw their shit out of a window. Wow. God, it was such a cesspit this city, wasn't it? London was so disgusting. Sorry, I have to crap myself there. Sorry, that wasn't Victorians.

I went a bit further back. That's like 1600s. Victorians is like 1800s, right? Could we possibly one day and Lysovich just do like eras of time? There's great things with that, though. Like, do you know that Cleopatra? is closer to us now than she is to the building of the Great Pyramids.

Really? Apparently, Reddit on the internet might not be true. Okay, let's play listen, bitch. First question, please. My immediate thought went to childhood board games, and I wanted to know in your household if you had an honorary board game

that you played as a family, I come from quite a relatively small family, but there's a big age generational difference between myself and my elder siblings. And I always struggled to playing family games growing up because they had a lot more advantages on me, having a more developed brain, intelligence, knowledge, understanding, etc. and I would always be a sore loser

and struggle with the competitiveness of the game. I'm specifically talking about monopoly. I buried all of the monopoly money in the garden so that we didn't have to play the game ever again. So that we could never play that game ever again. That's actually quite scary, I'll be real. If that respectfully, if I heard that on the first day, I'd swerve. That is a villain.

That is a villain origin story. That is literally the beginning of a villain. That's a Marvel villain origin story. Or a great banker. Or a great banker. No, no. A great businessman. I'm saying it, can I just say it?

I'm saying it in Jess, tongue-in-cheek. Big love to the listener. Thank you for listening to Miss Me. If we went on a date, big swerve. I'm so competitive. I stopped everyone else playing the game. That's fucking crazy. That's why you think's a red flag.

Now, I should probably say that me and Jordan, of course, grown up together. played board games together. Most recently, on a holiday in Kenya a few years ago, we had a little argument. Was it because you guys weren't playing the game properly? I don't want to get you all riled up again. Do it. Do it for the listeners.

Do it for the plot. Because games really tell us about ourselves, don't they? Don't they just, right? And, okay, what does Jordan's reaction to our heady game of articulate? Yes, I fucking can. Our heady game of articulate. Articulate. See, he's already going.

and Garfield and him were on the same team and Garfield was cheating and we were I think didn't want to move forward with the game because this bit is blurry do you remember? See? I fucking knew it. You've just got the feeling

you've not got the fucking memory. This is outrageous guys. You've heard this live and direct on the podcast. This is outrageous. I knew she was delaying when she started to go on side quests because she's desperately rifling through the files of her brain.

I know that Garber was cheating and you were in the same team. So something was off, right? It was like, he's cheating. We can't do this. Wait, no, no. He wasn't cheating for me. I think that's what was happening. I can't remember the specifics, but I can tell, I'll say with hands up in what I'll say

it proud, well, not even proudly. My weakness is I, if someone, if we're playing a game, you've got to play it right. That bugs me out. Like, we have to all be agreed on the, on the boundaries of the game. If people start fucking just like, wow, wow, blah. I'm just like, what's the point, man? Yeah, hello Garfield. That's why I can't play games with Garfield.

He's lawless. I can't remember what the specifics were. I can't remember, but I am competitive. I've got better recently, but I've fallen out of people over Articulate 100%. Me too. Why is Articulate? Articulate gets so deep. And also what we have, because we play as a family a lot with like Uncle Nick.

So Uncle Nick and my mum were always like, that thing that happened in 97 when we did it. And it's like, yeah, okay, you can do that in jokes. and personal history. But I do think it's a great way to learn about yourself a game. And I learned, you were saying, our listener was saying that she grew up with siblings with big age gaps and she learned a lot.

Well, she was saying she was maybe losing a lot because of their knowledge and their acumen or whatever because they were older. That I really learned. I used that when I was a child. Again, we'll bring up our uncle Nick, who is the most competitive person I have ever met in my entire life, which I loved as a child.

So if you're playing a game with a game with Uncle Nick as a kid. He doesn't not fucking letting you win. Even if it is like Trimble Pursuits adult and you're a kid he will still take you down. Card games, he didn't give a shit. Like he was

malicious. But I fucking loved it. And he taught me a lot about ruthlessness. And I felt myself getting smarter hearing him get answers right. My parents would often, they'd have parties, get pissed

and a lot of them would play that triple pursuits in like the 90s. It was a big game triple pursuits. And I learned a lot. Listen, I hear it. My thing. And this isn't even just specifically to games. This is just to life largely.

I have, and I am working on this. And apparently there's some links to ADHD. I don't know, but it's not an excuse. I'm just saying I have this like visceral reaction to perceived injustice. So if I perceive, if I perceive that something's unjust, I can't, it, it does my head in. Yeah, I'm just saying, even in a card game. If, listen, if I can, it enter the game, knowing that the boundaries are loose and no one really cares,

then I'm good. I can engage from that starting point. The bit that gets me is if we're engaged on an equal understanding of seriousness and then God forbid a person realizes that maybe it's not going their way. So what do they do? They start loosening up the game a little bit. Start trying to throw it a little bit. Suddenly the game isn't so serious anymore. I'm like, well, maybe that's because you're not freaking winning. That's why. That ain't serious no more. I hate that. Like it doesn't even. really matter who wins anyone. It's like, why? Because you're losing. I'm going to do a fucking name drop story now, right? Because this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

this, this, this, this, this is, this is, it's almost made me more anti-capitalist, this injustice, right? Oh my, my fucking God. I got, I got invited. No, listen to me right now. I'm being fucking serious. I'm fuming. I can feel it in my bones, right? I went to a party, a very shmoozy party. Jimmy Car party. He used to put these parties on. He has, he has got a gang of, like, scarily powerful people, you know, sometimes if I'm on telly, I do eight or ten cats, I'll get the invite. sometimes I won't because I'm not popping and maybe I am pop in but I'm not like in his circle I'm definitely not rich enough to be in a circle but like there's some people there I'm like absolutely hate your guts but there's other people there where I'm like oh you're cool I actually

met a friend who is responsible for some of the biggest shifts in my life at a Jimmy Car Party because I was hiding from the other people and he was too it was amazing anyway his house is ridiculous he's got like a fucking tennis court and shit he's got like a games room you've got a parlor room right he's got a game's pool table right so this is the pool game You ready for this. It's me, Holly Valance, who's now Holly Candy, I think, who, by the way, is fucking unreal at Paul. Like literally next level, right?

Then it's Jamie Caringer and Matthew Freud. Matthew Freud is, what, like a billionaire? He's like a centi-millionaire or some shit. The guy's fucking minted, right? He's got a house where, like, you press a button and the patio turns into a swimming pool. Yeah, no, I know Matthew Freud's house. How I'm at these parties, who knows, they've somehow let me in.

I remember it all vividly. It's ridiculous, even though I was very high for many of these. Because you were a pop star is the reason you were there. Yeah, true. But I was the youngest at our party, for sure, by the way, for sure. So we're doing this two on two. Who's your team, Matthew Freud or Holly Valance? I'm with Holly.

Me and Holly versus Jamie and Matthew, right? And we've put 20 pounds in, right? Let's just eat that for a second. We've put 20 pounds into a pot. I have put 20 pounds into a pot with Matthew Freud. Let's just sit with that for a second. Me, me, Jordan, Stephen. Right. So I'm going to hit one of these, one of the balls. I'm queuing up. And fucking Lee Francis, Keith Lemon, for those don't know, he's hit my pool stick. Banged it. I fucked up the shot. Right. And I've gone, oh, fucking hell. Matthew Freud goes, two shots. I go, no, you just seen, he went, two shots. Him and Jamie clear up. He takes the money. I'll go, I go, I go, I go, dude, you just, you just watched it. He went, wins a win, walks off.

millionaire millionaire Matthew Freud took £20 pound off me because Lee Francis would be fucking funny say I needed

that 20 quid Jordan he's not a billionaire he's only got 170 million yeah God fucking poor Matthew Freud he needed that 20 you know else didn't need it

Holly Valance yeah because she married Nick Candy fucking out yeah that 20 quid went towards promoting political discontent

no that's good promoting political discontent my 20 may or may not have contributed to the destabilisation of the political space in Britain. Anyway, he owes me 20 quid. Matthew Freud, you owe Jordan 20 quid. I want some post-edit round of applause for the most name-droppy story possible.

Let's have another question. Hi, Makita. Hi, Jordan. My name's Bradley. I'm from Windsor. Love you guys. Love the podcast. So, Games, I was thinking about this the other day. What are your thoughts on some of those like flirty games you play as kids. I'm like talking ones like kiss chase, spin the bottle, etc. Because I was thinking how much those games like impact your self-confidence

from such an early age. We used to have one called arches where the girls would line up facing one another and you would like hold hands with the person opposite you and lift your arms up so you would make an arch. So the boys would then run through the arch and the girls would trap the boy

they wanted to kiss. Now I remember, I remember going through the art sometimes and getting like zero kisses and being like, oh my God, maybe girls don't like me. And I was like eight or nine at the time as well. And I genuinely feel like that game had like a mad impact on how desirable I thought I was to the opposite sex for like ages. So yeah, did you guys have games like that? And what did you think about them? What a brilliant question. And I said it before.

I'll say it again. Games teach you about life. So they teach you about who you are, but also like harsh lessons in life. Like, yeah, no one wants to kiss you. It is brutal. But I bet this guy's funny and entertaining. Yeah, and he sounds like he likes himself now and look, and look how observant he's being to look back and go,

it was probably that kiss chase game that really fucked me up. Exactly. And also, I would argue that the other extreme, the boy who always got caught and always got kissed, later went into adult life with no understanding of pain and stress and quite quickly found himself shocked, shocked by the reality of life. Wait, no, no, I'm the chosen. No, you're not, boss.

You're not. Sit down, shut the fuck up. See, interesting, because I really was the chosen one. That really reminded me, that really reminded me of my primary school. And I went to a brilliant primary school in Notting Hill called Fox. What a great school. And I know, and I see it often, and I know the playground so well. And I was such a kiss chase.

I was so popular. Only in my last year of primary school, I was like the queen of the playground. The two most popular boys wanted me. I went out with the one that became, you know, Jihadi John's sidekick. Get ready for me, world. Come on. I'm fucking number one in Kiss Chase. Then I went to Holland Park and was spat on and bullied.

And I was in a state of shock for about six months. They are going to run after me in these camo trials. and my purple DMs, and they were like, Dirty- Really? So I could have really done with a little less kissing in the kiss chase. I was more prepared, more prepared from the real world.

So yeah, I hear you. And I understand that these places are probably where a lot of these things are built, our ideas of desirability. It's not nice to not be chosen. I feel like somewhere in the middle is nice, to be chosen sometimes. I had like a phase.

Year 8 was great for me. And then it was just downhill from there, really. I remember I got asked out like 14 times, but I said no to everyone because I didn't even, I didn't have no hormones. I didn't, like my balls hadn't even dropped yet. I didn't know what the fuck was happening. And then when I was in year nine or 10, I suddenly started getting all these feelings. I was like, oh, girls. And they're like, nah, you're right.

You missed your window of whoring. Yeah, I mean, I did end up doing some whoring. But like, I definitely wasn't. And I remember when I went to college, I remember that I had normalized the idea of being like a bit of an outcast, a bit of a miss. fit, a bit of a weird day, because I went to college in Croydon, and there was like four or five people from Brighton that had spent my teen years with me. And then these girls were like smiling at me in college. And I was like, wait, what the fuck? Like, these lot don't have any idea about any of my past. So I got to basically reinvent myself in college. And I still fucked that out. But it's

interesting, isn't it? Because if I'm being honest, I think that I've never felt as desirable as I did in that last year of primary school. Primary school? Yeah, it was the last year of primary school. I was 11. Oh yeah, you do start snogging, don't you? At 10, at 10, 11, like kissing, behind the back of the bins and that.

Oh, yeah, bus shelter, babe. And I have to be honest, my path took me to be an individual, stick with this, even though you're being spat at, and that led me to my work. But I don't think I ever really recovered in my personal life from that switch in desirability,

that harsh, harsh switch from 11 to 12 and 13, where suddenly no one desired me. And I'm still working on that. Can I just say, like, the teen years are fucking savage. It's what I keep saying. Like, I write this in my book where I don't know how things are different now with the internet. Like, there's definitely certain groups or certain types of person

that can use the internet to their advantage to kind of bypass some of this shit. But when I was at school, pre, I mean, there was like, there was that kind of social media, there's MSN messenger and stuff when I was at school. but like for example the boys and the girls like they could destroy your lives in different ways i remember getting rumors the rumors that would go around school if you if you if you like had there was like a free house and you like fooled around with a girl and something went wrong the entire

school knows about it within three days that that's what people are calling you and then there's and then it'll be like fights like i was telling you about the the punch in the face thing like i remember like one of my first fights was so funny because i I had basically just told the truth but it was a bit spectrumy and I know I can't say that, sorry, but that's what I mean. Like my,

basically someone asked me, someone got their bike stolen and they asked me like, who do you think stole my bike? And I went, I just said the name of this kid because I literally did think he would have stolen the bike.

Like I just responded as, I didn't care about this kid. And that was the truth. I feel like he was a thief, right? So like, and I was telling someone I did care about. And so it's like, Oh yeah, Jordan said that thing.

He sold a bike. Jordan said that thing sold a bike. And you start seeing it spread. I was on the top field and I had this cookie and this and this juice that I had bought. And I remember that's like all the money I had, man. I had like £2 or something, $2.50. And a circle broke out around me and I was like, oh, fucking here we go. I was like, I just didn't, I didn't preempt it.

And then he's come forward this boy and he was like, did you fucking say that I sold it? I was like, yeah. Oh, shit. I thought they were going to come for him, not him come for you. No, no, no, he came for me because apparently I was telling him one he's a thief, which I was. So he said, like, did he say, tell this guy was a thief? I said, yeah. And he went, well, you're a prick.

I was like, all right. And then he, like, swung for me and I dodged it. And then he went, you got lucky. And then I thought, I'm not going to fight him because I really want this cookie. Like, I really wanted the cookie and the juice. So I just took the hit. Took the hit, yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Took the hit. And then ate my lunch. How did we get there from games? Teenagers being fucking cruel. We used to play Rush Bulldog on that top field. That's another great game. Rush Bulldog was crazy. People just taking each other out.

Yeah, give me some old games. I loved British Bulldog. You'd basically just run from one under the field to the other and there'd be like these bulldogs and basically if you just get taken, especially rugby. An absolute classic. I think you would call that if we're going to categorize these games. There are board games.

There are parlour games. I think you'd call that a street game. I wouldn't play it on a pavement, but yeah. Yeah, like a pawn road. Let's have another question. For this week's Listen Bitch, the theme is games. Hi, my name is Lucy, and I'm from Bradford. And my question is, well, I like to gamify things.

So even when I've been doing, like, really crappy hospitality jobs, I will gamify, like, washing the dishes and see how many pots I can wash in an hour. And I really like when you have those mundane tasks trying to like gamify it like have you ever played cooking mama when you were a kid did you play cooking mama because i just kind of like cooking mama all those boring repetitive mundane tasks in my life and i just feel like you're getting such a flow state and it's so satisfying sometimes any like mundane tasks like you really love because you just get into that gamified flow state

love the podcast and can't wait to see what you think about this gamifying is that is like i just spoke about this literally yesterday gamifying can be super top toxic if it's like if you put it into like dating for example but it can be incredibly powerful in terms of for me for myself it gamifying my career can like healed a massive wound for me totally man I had to remind myself that like if you don't set the parameters of the game from the jump then you're just constantly moving the goalposts you know so I said so I said to myself like when I was a kid all I wanted was a platinum album I did it first attempt so I completed it the game.

Then it was a new game. Exactly. A new level. Bonus rounds. I do that with ropes. It's like Mario Kart for me. I'm like, oh, God, that was a fucking hard level. And then I'm like, oh, rainbow level.

Yeah. And I like to think about, like, grabbing coins, meeting characters along the way. Meeting characters along the way is hilarious. Like NPCs. What do you mean? Should you not know about the NPC law? That like people imagine that, like, I had an experience. is of somebody recently, I swear to God, this person asked me, said something really simple,

like, God, tell you what, like, it's pretty hot today, isn't it? And I must have responded with this, like, oh, yeah, well, you know, the thing about being in Britain and this kind of temperature is a, and I went on for, I don't know, four minutes, just like some rant and he's went, God, it's hot today, isn't it? He literally just said exactly that. I was like, wow, I might have actually met. I might have pressed A again. I pressed A. twice. That's good. That's so good to think of like the nuance of computer games into life now. But actually, like, I think maybe I do it more with board games, like Monopoly. The idea that you can have so much, lose it all, and then have to work your way back up. Definitely did that.

Monopoly has a deep story. What do you mean? Like, what it's about really? Yeah. Look, Monopoly originates from the landlords game, which Lizzie Maggie created and patented in 1904 to demonstrate the economic dangers of unchecked land monopolies. Oh my God. It's a warning game. Yes. Wow. And we play it with such relish. The original design featured two sets of rules, an anti-monopolis set where wealth was shared, and a monopolist set where players drove opponents to bankruptcy. Oh my God. And we just fucked off the first one. No communism. I love that. What meaning it has?

Not anymore. Well, no. We've completely thrown the actual meaning of the game out of the window and made it about personal journey. Yes, and they also class in true, true, I mean, she was a left-wing feminist in 1904, Lizzie and Maggie. And they re-apparently, they actually re-coined Monopoly after the Great Depression and then tried to erase her from the story of the game. Wow.

The company initially marketed Monopoly as Darrow's sole personal invention born out of Great Depression hardship, effectively erasing Maggie's original progressive creation story for decades. Fuck off! Wow. That's actually fucking nuts. That's unbelievable.

It had all this intention. Yeah. It's so scary how you can erase a real story and turn it into something else. Question please. On the topic of games, I wondered what you thought about the games we play in dating or that is sort of synonymous with dating and whether or not you participate in them. For example, you know, not texting first after a date or waiting a day before you text or not sleeping with someone until whatever. X date or not kissing someone until the third day or whatever.

All of these sorts of rules that we, the society kind of puts on dating and whether or not you think dating is a game or if you sort of just go with your heart and wander in. I'm more of the latter. But yeah, do you wonder into love without playing games or do you think there's a bit of a structure that you need in order to have a healthy relationship maybe. That's very sweet, but let's not be ridiculous. Of course you need to gameplay in dating, especially in the beginning.

No, no. I think that dating is a game, right? And like, sort of like, it is play, right? It's playing. You are sort of playing with each other's energy in the early stages of dating. And I think maybe sometimes treating it like a game is a version of protecting yourself. It's so fucking intense dating and going to meet strangers and talking about who you are and learning about other people.

If you make it a game, you can be safer, maybe. You really don't think when you go out with something, you're not like, hmm, let me think about how long I'll wait until I text them. No, I make a conscious effort to not do that. Really? I don't care. I literally don't care. I'll text someone if I want to.

Like if someone was like, I didn't text you because I didn't want you to think I was too keen. Who gives a fuck? You don't even know I am. Just do what you want. Like if you are too keen, then whatever. Like it's just we have a responsibility to ourselves, right? But I know that I've got men interested because I haven't been too keen. But I was quite keen.

So that would have been a game. Okay, let me put myself into this experience. If I was in a scenario, which I have been in the past, where I feel overcome by like a design, to speak to see message a person, that's a conversation I'm having with myself. If I make the decision to not text or to not whatever, it's not because I'm like trying to play a game. It's because I'm maybe not in the right headspace to be able to send this message right now because I'm like overexcited or or the most important thing is I'm sending that text so I get a response. That's where I get dangerous. I got one friend who will call me because, you know, I like to give the

mail side of the thing. if they're like dating, whatever, and then they're like, what do you think it is? Sometimes one of the things, the traps that's fallen into is they'll send something with the expectation of a response. And I'm just there like, that is you're just setting yourself up to fail.

And when I feel that, I have to take responsibility that I've done that to myself because I've gone like, why aren't they texting back? Yeah, what Phoebe Oliver says, Phoebe Oliver says, Roll the dice play the game. No, but rolling the dice makes more sense to me. Like, fuck it.

That's what I mean. It's more like throw it up in the air, like get ready to fuck around a bit. Like you like this person. You don't know if they like you back. Let them know. They might not get back to you. They might.

But she's always, because I do get very like, okay, but what if it? And Phoebe's like, well, yeah, welcome to dating. Yeah. Like, welcome to being out there, bitch. Yeah. Listen, I, I, it's not easy. I know that I could hyper focus on this scenario. So I have to put things in place to make sure that I don't hyperfocus.

That's on me. I wouldn't go like, right, he text me or she text me at 4 p.m. If I wait till 6.38 p.m. Then that will have been the mean average response time. No, that's like ripping the joy out of it as well. There's what people do. They'll be like, they'll be like, when did he text you? Yeah, yeah, leave it a day.

Why? Just respond. Like, what the fuck are we doing? And also with the sex thing is interesting because I heard science the other day that supported the idea that something to do with the male hormone, like this, like if a met, if like, I don't know what it is about holding off to have sex can create, allow time for a man to generate some kind of pair bonding hormone. I don't fucking know.

But again, that's weird for me because I've been in situations where sex has happened quickly and it hasn't affected my desire to pair with the person. So I think it's each to their own. And what about the other version? What does you say abstaining from sex to create a bond? Yeah, like I just heard a scientist friend of mine to say that there's some kind of chemical that builds in a male whatever that promotes pair bonding if sex is, abstained. Have you done that ever?

Yeah. But like I had a worse relationship than the one that... Oh no. And you'd waited. Yeah, we waited and that was the person's choice and that's cool. And like I don't might even wait. To me, to me, I'm not, I, for me personally, the weight isn't on sex personally for me. Like, I just like, that's not really, because I'm not trying to just, I don't know. That's not like the driving force for me. Like, I want to be satiated by other things. Yeah, I love that. Satiated by other things. Yes, Jay. All right, should we have a final question for this week's Listen Bitch on Games?

What is up, Makita and Jordan? My name is Tiff. I live in Porto with my dog, Frank. I think it's really important to stay playful as an adult, especially if you are in therapy or working on your inner child. I think it's really important to keep that little joy and sparkle in your adult life. When I was living in London, we used to play. tube charades normally when we were slightly on them more inebriated side and it was amazing because people outside of our group of friends couldn't help themselves but join in to guess

and then we'd make them join in with the whole game and it went from being a group of maybe five people playing tube charades to the entire carriage. It was great. So my question for you guys is what little bits of sparkle, what silliness do you include in your adult lives to stay playful? Okay, thanks. Bye. Love. Exactly.

Exactly. Let's talk about magic. I do it every day with all the people I work with. And I think they're quite sick of it. But I do a lot of like, let's light this candle and throw this. Like we're sending an email to someone. I'll be like, let's light this candle and throw this intention into the universe. Thank you very much for these.

opportunities. Everyone's like, fucking hell, I'm here. But I know they love it. And it makes everything more fun. So yeah, I'm sprinkling the magic over my shit all day, all day. It's unbearable for some people I work. Yeah. Sorry, sorry, Solomon. The play, I don't know, I feel like I'm, do you think I'm playful? I feel like I'm quite playful. Yeah, dude, of course, yeah, man. I can be silly. I'm very silly about, uh, drama. I'll be like, I'll be like, like, I'll be like, I'll be suit. I'll exaggerate beyond all possibility for like tiny dramas. Can I say something that I think you should do? Yeah, go on. I think you should play more. Okay. I do. With what? In what sense? I think you should play sports. I do play sports. I think you

should be as playful as you can with like your interactions. I think play is a really good word for your chapter right now. I wrestle people. But do you actually like play any sports? Yeah. Which ones? Well, I play football. I love football. And I get very silly in football, for sure.

Play football and I go to the gym a lot. That's not playing. It is playing. That's where I'm kind of asking you to find a differentiation. That's working out to achieve a goal, to maintain a da-da-da-da-la-la. Is anyone having any fun? I don't think so. I do.

I do. I personally, the only reason I say that is because in comparison, to other people who go, Jim, I'm considered to be playful because I don't, I never take it seriously. I never like burn out. I never go like, oh, what did I do? I just like fuck around for a bit and then I hit the sauna. Like, it's just fun. I just do it because I like the feeling of lifting heavy weights. Like I like that feeling. It brings me joy. Jordan, I remember when you discovered it. I was there when you discovered training. And it did feel like a third eye of yourself, self and sense had been opened up by our darling McKenzie. I loved bearing witness to that moment,

years ago actually yeah i i i hear you because often in the conversational podcast space i love going deep into like i just love deeping everything and and it's it can be i've very much focus on it like i actually sometimes get a bit irked by silliness in the context of like very important situations but outside of it very silly and also if we begin like i say if the beginning of the game, if the boundaries, if I'm on a comedy fucking podcast, are we fucking about? Like, I did one ever day. Actually, I got to take some of that out because it was, it was bad. But I did a comedy podcast over then. I was, I was too playful, if anything. No, see, well, that's not something a truly playful person should say.

No one can ever be too playful. No one could never be too playful. Play more, I'd say. What do you think is play then, like doing tennis or whatever? Squash. God, yeah. I love it. I love that you, I love that you go to a court. I love that you go to a court, I love that you have your equipment and that you are there to play a game with rules and someone's going to win or lose. Can I, can I throw this out there just as a, as a, as my stance on life? Yeah. That's how I feel about life. Like, not as in, not as in I'm gamifying life. I mean it as in when I, for example, when I speak about deep in things, I don't, I, I, I, I do it with

the, with the abstract understanding that none of it matters. Like, none of this, like, we all end up in the same place. I genuinely, this is what I'm trying to say. I think people misinterpret my desire for debate as a lack of playfulness. And I'm just, I'm just suggesting perhaps as maybe how you read it. But I, I, like I said to you, was it earlier or in the last, in the meaty drop? Like I get an energized. I'm, and for me, debate is playful. When it finishes, I, you know, it's too. It's just fun. Yeah, like, literally, it's fun. Like I say, like, I remember doing this one podcast with this guy I was arguing with. And people have messaged me, oh my God, I don't know how you did that. You must be exhausted. I was like, literally fine. If anything, I was buzzing afterwards, I was like,

fucking, woo. You know, and then I love it. I actually love it. I get, like, that is played to me. But you love an adventure as well. Like, you love to jump on your, the bike and just, like, be out wind in your hair. Oh, my God. Get me a scooter. Just get a fucking scooter. You can get one in London. Have you lived, have you been in London? You've already complained about it, but I can't remember why you said you can't have one in London. No, I can. I just have to do a CBT. It's Fine. I did it before, but it ran out. But it's more like, what joyful scootering am I doing in London? Let's be real, man.

There's just too much rigidity in London. Like, I'm not, I'm not weaving in London. I'm not overtaking in London. It reminds you of all the rules of this fucking city. And that would just be really unplayful. It would be a really unplayful space to do it happen. Just be sat there with like massive gloves to deal with the coldness. You're right. You're right.

Scootering should only happen in the East. I'm in my Larry David play era. Yeah. Now that's play. See him, Larry David, even having that thought. I complain now. That's the love. That's the playfulness.

Complaining. He's complaining. I hate puns. I can't believe me. I can't believe what just came up my own pun. Let's fucking go. Do you know, Larry David, what's he done? Ten seasons of curb?

He's managed to complain for like, I don't know. I can't even do the math. Like, 180 hours or something of just complaining. Like he's just looking into life and been like, that's ridiculous. But you know what? That's not what he's doing. That's what I mean. He's saying something's ridiculous. But that's not necessarily complaining. Why I like Larry David is he's a deep fucking observant of human behavior and the ridiculousness of it all. But it's silly. Yeah, exactly. It's absurd. That's my point. Absurd. You love absurd. But you know what? It's funny. It's not silly. It's funny. Yes. Yes. I'll be funnier. No, you're great. You're great, babes. Thank you for everyone. And today's listen bitch. So great questions. Someone said to be on the TV. the other day. The reason I like, listen, bitch, is because the questions are good. And I said,

I fucking agree. So thank you for the level of questions. Because I hear questions on other things. I'm like, God, we're really lucky with our questions. So thank you for keeping it here, high frequency place. Oh, shit, we got to think of a theme for next week. Yeah, we already did it. Oh, yeah. Ears of time. Ears of time. Love it. You actually want to just straight up do eras of time. People be asking questions about the 60s, about the 20s. Yeah. You're so right.

I'm going to love this. Okay, I'll wear a beret and you get a pipe. The 90s being the peak of humanity. That's what some people will think, but some people will think it was in the 80s. I can't wait. It's going to be like LBC talk radio. You've seen the outfits and hair in the 80s.

Fucking appalling that. What's that got to do with anything? The outfits and hairs, what's I got to do with the 80s? For some people, that is their glory time and their time of nostalgia and independence and originality. A lot of amazing things happen in the 80s.

Yeah, yeah, don't rate it. Don't rate it. 70s, punk. 70s. Late 70s. All right. So we'll pack this up and see you for our theme of next week, which is Ears of Time. For only we could do it from the British Library.

I might do it from a tree house. All right. We'll see you then. All right. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me. This is a Perse of Onica show.