Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Hack to Basics

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

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app today or visit Wyse.com. T's and T's apply. Welcome to Listen Bitch, it is your favourite pod host, Lily Allen, Mekisa Oliver, live and direct, no not live and direct, pre-recorded and indirect. Well I mean I'm sure people know this isn't live. It'd have to be pretty thick not to have figured that out that it's not live and direct, pre-recorded and indirect. Well, I mean, I'm sure people know this isn't live. It'd have to be pretty thick not to have figured that out that it's not live. Imagine, imagine if every person that came to listen to the pod, we had to do it live for them. So it was like every, they press play and we'd have to start. Yeah, hi!

Hundreds of millions of times a week. So many people. Hi, Jennifer. Hi, Jennifer. So many people. Hi Jennifer. Hi Jennifer. This one's just for you. Let's do Listen Bitch, how we used to say it in the, well, in our lives before it became a show. Listen bitch.

Listen bitch. Today, our theme, Life Hacks, was chosen by the marvelous Listen Bitch listener, Adele. Hey, it's Adele. I have a Listen Bitch theme theme, which is life hacks. I feel like I don't have many, and I speak to people and they have loads. So I would love to have a whole ListenBitch on,

life hacks if possible. Thank you, bye. So true, Adele, exactly. It's a great one, it's a great one. It's a great one, it's for all the people that don't have life hacks, and we're gonna discuss them now and sort of learn from each other

and hopefully all live better lives because of it. Let's have our first question at living better by hacking your life up a bit. Hi, Lily and Makita. I'm Isabelle. I live in Brooklyn. Can you give me some life hacks for getting out of a social event

when you just really don't wanna do it? Hmm. Lily is incredible. Depends if you have children or not. Yes, Lily brings the kids when she wants to leave early. Don't think I haven't noticed. Or if I don't want to go at all. Sorry, baby sister just cancelled.

Whoopsie-daisy. What is the life hack for trying to get... Well, there's French exit, isn't there? The French exit is to leave without saying anything. So it's rude. It's the rude one. I mean, if you know that it's an event that you're not gonna wanna stay at

before you even go there, I would suggest arriving complaining of a headache, which progressively gets worse. When you arrive ill. Emergency. Yeah, I've just come on my period. I'm more than happy to leave a social event early now. I don't even need to lie.

I'm like, I want to go. So I'm going. It's really good. People respond really well to it actually. If you just go, I'm tired, I've got stuff to do tomorrow. Or like, no, I've been here an hour. What else? Let's have another question.

Let's have another question. Let's have another question. No, I feel like we could think of some more things. Leaving a social event quickly. What I would say is be really careful with blah, blah's had an accident because I feel like that really is tempting fate. I would never say like someone's in hospital, someone's had an accident, all that kind of stuff.

Like be careful with that. I really feel like those words are quite powerful. I don't know where you even got that from, like why? You must have done it for that to have come into your head. Never, actually no. I'm all my excuses when I was like late for work or things like that in the past, obviously. I would never, I would come up with some humdingers

but never like my nan's ill or blah blah mum hurt herself because I'd be like well now they're gonna fucking hurt themselves and get ill. I think that's really, you've got to be really careful of that stuff. Words are powerful. Yes. Don't play with the devil too much. But you know I only booked a babysitter till nine is perfect. Perfect yeah.

A classic that will never go out of style. I just don't have kids though, I can't use that one. Got to take the dog for a walk before he goes to bed before it gets dark. Grimmie does that a lot. He really does leave parties because he's got to walk the dogs all the fucking time. I'm like, that'd be fine. Now I've got a dog, I'm like, oh, I do get it. You do have to get back for the dog.

Okay, next question. All right, next question. Hi Lillian Makita, it's Georgie from Brisbane, Australia. And I've got a beauty hack for you that my teenage nieces actually introduced me to, which is rubbing ice on your face first thing in the morning. Sounds uncomfortable, particularly if you're living somewhere cold. It's not what you want to do, but you get cubes of ice, rub it all over and it plumps it up.

You almost don't even need makeup. You look so good. So I was just wondering, do you have any other can't live without beauty hacks? Kate Moss does the ice thing. Yeah, it looks thoroughly uncozy to me. I really don't like cold things. And I will suffer. Not I mean, I would rather not look my best so that I don't have to put ice on my face. Also, you'd have to go downstairs to get the

freezer to get the ice and then bring it upstairs. These are not reasons to not do this. Okay. Hey, consider me my life changed. I'm going to do it from now on. That's on period. Because it awakens your skin, or is it your muscles? Something, and suddenly you've got cheekbones. Right. It's like the kind of like, I think quite a lot of beauty things, they always say like, it attacks this, and because something's trying to survive, it does this.

I'm like, isn't that awful? Like even with eyebrows, I would say a beauty life hack that changed my life was starting to get my eyebrows done. And when I say done, it used to be called get HD brows. And I never understood why that high definition brows. But now I think people just get their eyebrows done and it's not such a novelty. And I get them threaded, waxed and tinted. And they say that because of the friction of being waxed and threaded, the hairs die a sort of bigger death because they've been kind of hurt in two different ways. That's interesting because that theory of creating injury is usually what people in

the facial or aesthetician realm would say is your body tries to regenerate and comes back stronger. So you're saying that it kills them, it gives them a stronger death. Well with shaving it would. Yeah, if you cut it, that kind of attack makes it come back stronger. But it's the mixture of the two different kinds of attack that make it go, I can't be bothered, I won't grow anymore. Yeah, quite good. Interesting. And I think eyebrows are just such a framing part of the face, Lilly.

And they, I always look 10 times better. I actually couldn't get them done for the last few weeks and I feel like I do look like shit. I'm actually considering an eyebrow lift at the moment. I think we're good. I think we're good. I don't think we need a fucking eyebrow lift. You just need HD brows, babe. Do you get your eyebrows done? Yeah. Well, usually when I come back to London, I get my biannual bikini wax and my eyebrow

lift tint. I think I'm going to get laser. On your vajage. I can't dread a bikini wax anymore. Every three weeks I go through this like horrible, tumultuous journey of like, here we go, here we go, here we go. I actually quite like the pain.

Sometimes if I'm in pain, it hurts less. I feel like when I lie down, I'm in pain, it hurts less. I feel like when I lie down, I'm anticipating pain and then the pain isn't as bad as I build it up to be in my head and so therefore I quite enjoy it. I'm like, oh yeah, this is... Yeah, because it's kind of a relief when you go, oh, it's just this and I can handle it and I do survive it every three weeks. I can do this. I'm strong woman.

Yeah. But I am going to get laser, I think. I think it's time for laser. I think I'll do my private parts under my arms, armpits and legs. Can you imagine never having to shave your legs again? Again, I quite like that ritual. I like the ritual of shaving my legs. I do not like the ritual of cleaning the bath after a leg shave. Mm. Gross. You've got that thick Italian hair, haven't you? Yeah.

As well as your body, that glossy, beautiful mane of hair on your head right now. It's disgusting because I feel like I should shave my legs when I'm in the shower, but I don't really like this doing it while I'm standing up. So I, my ritual is that I shave is that I shave my legs in the bath, in the comfort and warmth of the bath, and then I have to have a shower afterwards because I feel like I've got like little itty bits of hair all over me.

Absolutely. Phoebe shaves her legs in the bath. I can't believe you two do that. I find that disgusting because they actually are sitting all over you. I actually don't even really like baths. Not even just the hair. You're shaving off like a very thin layer of your skin. So you're lying in a bath of dead hair and dead skin. If you're not having a shower after that, you're grim.

That's my life hack. Have a shower after you've shaved your legs in the bath. It's really good. If you have like a little platform, which I think your shower in New York has, then you just put your leg up when you're standing up to shave and it's actually really good. You have your leg up. Still too lazy for that. Too lazy for that.

Too lazy to lift your fucking leg. I just want my legs to be at, you know, head height. Another life hack, please. Another life hack. Hey guys, hey Makita, hey Lily. My name's Miles, I'm 23. I'm on a gap year, well gap second year. Currently in Japan.

But in a few months I will be moving to London for the first time. And I was wondering what is a life hack for London? Obviously that's quite big so we can go smaller than that. But arriving in a big city for the first time, not really knowing much about it. It's somewhere you guys know really well. Do you have any life hacks for making the most of it? Absolutely. When we were in Tern the other day on our Ropes Day Out, I was like, Jesus, if you were a tourist and you came to Leicester Square, I don't even think you'd be seeing

anything that resembled London. Not one part of it. There's no Londoners there. There's nothing Londony there. It's almost like it was built for tourism or that's what it's become. I'm sure Leicester Square was wonderful when it first started, when it first was created. So get the hell out of town, especially now so-so shit, neighborhoods.

Neighborhooding is the way to learn London because unlike somewhere like New York, which is like built to be a city, which is why it's in that grid form, which I don't really like, London is a series of villages that grew and grew into this city. So neighbourhoods are the kind of like the backbone of London. The beating heart. Yes, exactly. The heart of London is the neighbourhood. I would say find different neighbourhoods in both north, south, east and West and see what you find there. Community is a really big thing in

London so if you can enter it in any way then you feel like you're actually part of the city. I fucking love this city. I would say if you have the money and are not wanting to use public transport, always get a black cab rather than an Uber, not just because they're more comfortable and more classic looking, but because they are allowed to drive in the bus lanes, which will save you time.

Very good point. That is a bloody good life hack. Very good London life hack. Yeah, and also they know that they've got the knowledge, which means they've got like tales about the city. And it's actually something I was got in quite a lot of black cabs for some reason last week. And I was like, there's something really comforting about knowing that someone really knows the roads, not just because they've got a sat nav, like they had to study this city

just to even get in that car and be on these roads. Do you remember when I used to drive in London, my roots, like I had the roots to get from one side of the London to the other, the London. It did actually. That's because we know the city. I think that's why I feel uncomfortable in New York. I like being in a city that I know like the back of my hand. Can you do it in New York now? No. You got roots there? No. Or are you TES? No, I'm just a Wazer.

A tourist. A common a Wazer. A tourist. Common Garden Wazer. It's time to come home then I guess. Fuck New York with its grid system. Anything else life hacky about London? I would say the Moroccan food stands on Goulbourne Road are also something that anyone should frequent as often as they can. They are delicious.

Absolutely. This is going more into just our little black book of London. But yeah. Okay, great. That's pretty good. Your cabbie one was so good. Thank you. Oh, I think it's time for a break. Looking to reassure your operations? Global conversations about tariffs make now the time to act. Puerto Rico is the ideal place. A US jurisdiction with lower costs, made in USA labelling and unmatched incentives. Join global leaders like Amgen and Eli Lilly in an ecosystem built over 75 years. home to top farmer and medical device production, a deep talent pool and world-class bioscience infrastructure. Puerto Rico, your cost-effective reshoring solution. Visit investpr.org slash reshore to get started.

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Yeah, listen to your body. Listen to your body, listen to your mind, take a break. Very good. Very important. Big hack, otherwise you'll suffer from miss me, listen bitch burnout. We don't want that. Don't know what you're talking about. I want no miss me burnout here.

What are you talking about? What are you bloody talking about? What are you talking about? Do you know what I would really like at this point in time? Another question. Big fat juicy question. Yeah, big time. It's like to really sink your teeth into. Hi, Lily and Makita. Anna here living in New York. Just wondering if you've any life hacks for recovering from a hangover and have no other choice but to recover from said hangover. Thanks. Bye. Yeah. Over to you, Micaela Oliver. Yeah, I'd say more alcohol.

Hair of the dog is so intense, isn't it? Like when people are like, yeah, I've just got such bad hangover. I think I need a pint. I'm like, whoa, this feels like a vicious cycle. Like, I think a Bloody Mary is more of a like, I don't know, there's something sheaker about that. Because it's also a little bit like a meal. Yeah, that's why people have them on hangovers. Yeah, definitely. But hangovers are something that actually have got worse in my life. Yeah, that's not uncommon. No, no, but I thought I was exempt.

I thought I wouldn't ever get tainted by the hangover brush because I never got them when we were young. If anything, I was probably a, let's get started again kind of person. And now I'm like, oh God, this is horrible. So what have I been doing? Oh, I play sports, sweat it out. She plays sports.

Get on the court, get a racket in your hand. Yeah, just get on the court, play some tennis on my hangovers, that's bullshit. But that's kind of what I want to do. And the few times I've done it, it has worked. Sweat it out, work it out. I mean, you little shit, you haven't had a hangover for six years, five and a half years.

Damn straight. Wow. But that last one, woo! Do you even remember them? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember, yeah, the dreaded trip from the bed to the fridge to compose a BLT to try and get myself through it.

Also, I mean, I have to say quite a lot of my hangovers, you know, because I was an alcoholic, still am, I'm just recovering, would be, I'd be woken up by like, my glam team, you know, because it would be, I'd have gone out partying all night and then I'd have to be up at like six o'clock in the morning to turn up at some radio station with full hair and makeup at eight. So my glam team would quite often come and wake me up and they would, you know, have a coffee in hand and a BLT and a barocca. Yeah, the sort of kit. Yeah.

I mean, lucky me, that was, that's quite, quite a nice way to deal with a hangover to basically have other people to deal with it for you. Two things that we yeah, something that we familiar with that was familiar for both of us was a lot of times we go out and get drunk with our friends and they would have nothing to do the next day. And I very much did. And so did Lily. But I did not have a glam squad coming to help me get in that car. No, no. That's probably why I was so late in them. I think I've said this before, but I remember being on location with my dad when I was really little and I was sharing a hotel room with him and an assistant coming into the room

in the morning, waking him up, bringing him a cup of coffee and running him a bath or shower. And I remember him not being awake, but me being sort of awake and looking at this whole scene unfolding. And I just thought, yeah, I need that in my life. Whoever she is. I did. And then you got it. And then you got it. You made that dream come true. That PA dream. And I grew out of it though. Now I do it for myself and I actually get my children out of bed, who by the way, they're at that period in their life, like I get up at six o'clock, I feed the dog, I feed the cat, I let the dog out

in the garden for a shit, make myself a coffee. And then I wake them up at 6.30 and now they used to come down for like just before seven. Now it's like 25 past seven and they're used to come down for like just before seven. Now it's like 25 past seven and they're meant to be out the door at 7.30. Like they are pushing it. Yeah. Remember how much you needed those extra 10 minutes though?

I used to watch the big breakfast clock just like going later and later. I'd be like, it's okay. I could get there in half an hour. And then by the end you're like, I can get there at seven minutes. Like, no, you can't. No, you can't. Get the fuck off our bed. Also, now I get like, now I get like, texts because Ethel's got an Apple watch.

So, so is Marnie, but she doesn't really use it because she's too busy reading books on the stock market. Um, but Ethel, uh, will send me that, like a text, you know, she'll be like, yeah, down in 10 minutes. And then another one in 10 minutes down in another five minutes. And then another one in five minutes go, mom, I don't really feel very well. I'm like, actually, if I could, if I had a direct like line of communication with my mom at that time, well, I was at boarding school at that time in their age, but... Yeah, you didn't have the option of bunking, not bunking, but asking for the day off. No, but texting your mum, like, I feel sick, got a headache from the same house.

Yeah, but I didn't text mum. I just went next door to her room in Paris Terrace, but I did often would be like, mum, she'd be like, what? I was like, I just, I just don't feel good. Did you ever do this? When you, I would, I would tell my mum that I was feeling sick and then I'd be like, can you come up? And then when I heard her on the stairs, I'd jump out of bed, put my head against the radiator for about 10 seconds. Oh my God, Lily. And then jump back into bed hoping that it was still hot. Fake fever. Very good.

Very good. God, you're such a manipulative genius. Another life hack. Another life hack. If you're wanting to bunk off school, head on the radiator. Head on the radiator. How long would you say it would take Lil to give a really convincing fever? I don't know. I don't think it really ever worked, but I'd say like 10 seconds.

Yeah, I think after that you might hurt yourself. You want to give it like 20, but I'm saying I could hear her feet on the stairs, so I'd have to be pretty quick you know. God I know that Alison and my mum knew we were little shits but before Miss Me but bloody hell all those little extras they're really finding out. That was my creativity babe that was just me like you know best believe telling stories. Yeah, that was my story teller side. Okay. Okay. Obviously, don't stick your head against the radiator because that is dangerous and you could injure yourself quite badly. Don't want anyone burning themselves on my account. Yeah, not on our watch. So please don't want anyone burning themselves on my account. Yeah, not on our watch.

So please don't do that. Okay, we'll do bunking school for a whole other listen bitch. Let's get back to life hacks for God's sake. Let's have another question. Hey, this is Tiffany or Tiff, voicing you from Barry, Barry Island, Barry Bados, wherever you want to call it. On the topic of life hacks, I'm currently renovating my house and we're finally

onto the stage of a bit of decorating after having to strip a lot back, basically go back to the foundations and yeah, it's take a lot longer than hoped but anyway some things that I have been quite amazed at with this. One of those poles to put the paint roller on, game changer, but also being cute, well other shops were available I'm sure, but the colour match. So I took in a wallpaper and there was little bits of pink in there that I wanted to match the other walls and I was just blown away with the whole colour match thing. So some things I've recently discovered that have made a big change to my decorating. Anyway, I was wondering if you have any life hacks for doing up a house decorating that kind of thing?

any life hacks for doing up a house, decorating, that kind of thing. What is something that you have learned along the way that you feel everyone else must know? Love the podcast and I won't go into how much I love you anyway, but yeah, thanks. Bye. Now you can. I could do with some love right now. You can tell us how much you love us. That'd be great. Lily's little eyes going like, going through all the renovations you've done. I just think like one good hack is that I have like an antique desk here in my living room and I like to put my phone on charge before I go to bed. And so I had the drawer refitted with a charger inside the drawer. Oh yeah. Yes. So no wires or like hanging around.

Oh right, no wires. So wait, what kind of charging system have you installed? It's wired into the wall, but it's like tacked to the back of the, to the back of the desk and goes direct into the mains. So it's, it's, it's just neat. This is what we have. This is what we have in Garfield's house. This is what we have on tables, on tables, Lily. Like civilized people, massive, huge, Glastonbury fucking roll in roll out adapters and I cannot stand them and I cannot stand wires. So that's absolutely genius. I think I'm desperate to get into my new house that I am buying so that I can just rip shit out and start again. Lily's done this a lot of times and I've always been

very jealous of all her Renaults. I mean, if you'll be doing electronics in places, then you know, you just put in fucking plug sockets everywhere, five amps and normal ones, because five amps are great for, you know, for lighting. So if you want to walk into a room and switch on the lights, but they're like, you know, table lamps and side lamps, and then all come on together at once, you just put them on a one five amp circuit. This is good shit, Lily. Could this be added to your new creative endeavor pool?

Actually, when I was thinking about it, one of the things that came up in this meeting that I went to the other day was there was somebody that spoke about their relationship with their sponsor and they'd gone bust, bankrupt or whatever, not bankrupt, but were just like at zero. And their sponsor was like, think of a hundred things that you could do to make money. It was like a hundred things that I could do to make money.

Because we think about making money in terms of like, it has to be a career, right? But it doesn't, like there are many, many ways that one can pull in cash extra cash here or there you know and also another big part of this fellowship that I go to is that you know there's that sort of saying is like you know find out what you love and and and and then find a way of making money out of it and I do fucking love interiors and I love the practicality of living or and and and you know working those Practicalities into you know, the way that my house works and your house is always work so smoothly And yeah, you know Maybe maybe one day I would like to like work with a family and like figure out how it is that they use things

And how we can incorporate that into the design of their house. Yeah, for sure. That would be really interesting and exciting. I love this arm. That's like Chris Jenner put out like when Emma Greed was obviously like, right, Chris needs a new business. And Chris put out, what is it? It's like cleaning products. Yeah, but there is a USP, obviously. I can't remember what the USP is. And I thought, why not? That actually makes quite a lot of sense. How many houses has she had?

And- How many houses has she cleaned? None. Jesus. Yeah, but she's definitely ordered people to clean them properly and use the right products. But yeah, you can do anything. I definitely think interiors will come back into your life

in quite a serious way, in a work way. You light up when you talk about them. One more thing I would say is I've lived in a lot of rentals and it's quite hard to give personality to a rental. So don't listen to a fucking word the landlord says. Build your own wardrobe if you want. Like cupboards, like wardrobes are horrible and they take up room and you can't put any clothes in them. So what I've done in all of my flats, including one where I did it in the kitchen, was I build, like I sort of put up rails, three long rails, and then you can like have categories of clothes and actually have a proper wardrobe. This is if you have the space, but actually a wardrobe is the worst idea if you're putting your clothes in your bedroom. Shit. You've got a nice wardrobe over there. You did the same thing in that

little room. You did like rails. Rails and shelves there. And then like the bag bit and the shelves and lovely. And also another thing I do, which my last landlord wasn't happy about, is take the hideous, ugly cupboard doors off of the cupboards in the kitchen of your rental. They're very often hideous. And once you can see all your things like your teas and your spices, actually that looks a lot better

and gives a lot more kind of like parts of you to the space and parts of you to the room rather than just like blank. If you can keep it tidy. Yeah, yeah, but- Otherwise it just looks like a mess. Yeah, but also like instead of like glasses and stuff, sorry, for your glasses cabinetry, it's nice to see all your glasses and all your mugs

instead of just seeing like hideous, you don't know how bad rental cupboards can be, Lil. You ripple that stuff up and build your own kitchens. I've lived in some ugly kitchens and taking the doors off has always helped but they have taken out my deposit. So get out with that. Or here's another life hack.

How about you just keep the doors and then put them back on when you move out? I did, but we just lost two, just two. Okay. Obviously I kept them. Let's have another question. Yes, let's. Hello, Lily and Makita.

This is Kate. I live in Cambridge. I'm an illustrator and a lecturer in illustration. I would love you to talk about long distance friendships. It can be hard sometimes to really stay connected. And you know, life gets busier and busier and yeah it just becomes harder to either see each other or remember to check in. I would just like to know how you manage that. I know obviously you speak to each other a lot now with this podcast but maybe how did you manage it before

you know how would you manage it without the podcast maybe you have other friends manage it before? How would you manage it without the podcast? Maybe you have other friends who live in other places and how do you keep those friendships alive and put the effort and love into them that they deserve? Thanks. Really looking forward to hearing what you and the listeners think. What a sweet, bloody lovely question. Well, I create lists, I create lists of people who I like in order of how much I like them. And I send that list to my assistant and just ask her to schedule the time for me to have a FaceTime with them. Are you joking? I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? And where am I on that bloody list? Oh, can you imagine?

FaceTime was a very, very big integral part of Lil and I's love for each other and continuing love and friendship before Miss Me. I would say Miss Me has shat on that a little bit, just a little bit, because now we're like, I've already FaceTimed you, I don't need to FaceTime you tomorrow. But one thing I don't do is wait for Lily to FaceTime me.

If I miss her, I just bloody fucking FaceTime her. And we actually have a, I don't know whether you know this, there's another group I have with Phoebe and Lauren called Dead To Me in relation to Miss Me, right? And that is, Phoebe and Lauren were listening to Miss Me when we first started and they had so many things they wanted to say and chime in and pipe up about things that they created their own group called Dead to Me,

which is where they just go, Lydia and Mckie were talking shit on that episode of Miss Me. But then I joined it and now most, like maybe two Fridays a month, we make sure that we all are on Dead to Me. And my friend, our friend Lauren lives in Hastings and Phoebe lives in Brighton. They're not as far away as Lily but they're still not around like we all used to be with each

other. So those groups and that kind of like having an appointment, a FaceTime appointment really helps. I really like FaceTime. Also, you know, nothing is, motivates people more than money, right? So how about you figure out a way of monetizing your friendship and then that will encourage you to connect more often like me and Makita have. Oh, right. I was like, who's done that? Oh, yeah. I guess we are monetizing our friendship. That's terrible. Find what you love and get paid for it. That's true. Yeah. It's quite incredible that we've managed to find a way to get paid

to talk shit to each other. I'm actually very proud of that. It's unbelievable. And when I was living at home, all I had to do was walk next door to my office. Yeah. That's exactly what people want to pay their license fee for. Find a podcast structure. Okay, next question. Hi, Lily and Makita. I'm Kara from Delaware in the US, and I'm a huge fan of you guys.

This question's a little bit more for Lily. Lily is a mom of two. What is a huge, like, I guess, mom hack or life hack that has helped you throughout your years of being a mom? Yeah, dude. Can I just say Delaware, Brooklyn, Barry. Places. Amazing. We're gonna have to tour all of them. See? There are places outside of London, Kate. They do exist.

I fucking know. My life hack for my kids would be packing. Because now that they're at a age, they're 12 and 13, and when we go away for like a holiday, you know, a week or two weeks, if I leave them to their own devices to pack, it's always a disaster. Like, they're just... They just don't know what they're doing. So, since they were really quite small, I've always figured out the amount of days that we are going for. And I will, with them, I'll ask them to choose, you know, if we're going away for two weeks,

14 whole outfits. And when I say whole outfits, I mean top, bottom, jumper, underwear, socks. Oh my God, I would love this brief. I love packing like this. I line them up. So usually, you know, the trousers and I'll put the socks and the underwear in the trousers and the top on top of the socks and the trousers.

And I will roll up one whole outfit. And then I'll put usually for me, for myself, I do the same thing for myself. And for me, I'll usually get four outfits into a packing cube. For the girls, I could probably get eight because they're that much smaller. And then, you know, when you get to the, your said destination, it's just really easy to unpack or hang if it's, if you want to hang it, but you can hang everything together. And then you know,

you have exactly the right amount of clothes for, for your trip. Saying that, I just looked at my trip to London for the summer. I would have to do 84 looks. So I probably won't do that. Wait, is that thinking that each day needs a different look? Yeah. But actually it does a bit, but then you can mix and match. You probably need about 60 looks and then mix and match the last 24. Yeah, maybe. That's still fucking loads. Can you tell people about packing cubes? Because I don't like need about 60 looks and then mix and match the last 24. Yeah, maybe.

That's still fucking loads. Can you tell people about packing cubes? Because I don't like them. And Kelly uses them. And I don't know. I don't think they're for me packing cubes. Why? I don't know. I think they're ugly. You can get more into a suitcase with when you're using a packing cube. So that's the advantage. I have done the roll. The roll is not the same as the roll in a packing cube.

As I said, you can get four, sometimes five outfits into a packing cube, and then you could probably get about 10 packing cubes into a suitcase. But I have packing cubes for everything. So I have like a packing cube for my looks. I have a packing cube for my toiletries. I have packing cubes for shoes. But wait a minute, sorry, wait, wait, wait, how big is one said

packing cube? Because I didn't know, I thought it was like two looks per cube, which is long. No, they come in all different sizes, the packing cubes. Oh, they come in all different sizes. Quite often when you buy a set of packing cubes, it cubes, they'll have like four sizes in the set. Oh, wow. Okay, that's quite interesting because I like categorizing. And if I could categorize... Oh yeah, bags within bags within bags. Yes, that's what I'm all about, bag within bag within bag.

I might even get the label maker out and really have a fucking party. Electronics. Totally tech. Sex toys. Lube. Sex toys, lube. Sex toys, little shmoosh mook, little sex toys packing cube. Oh, I love it. Also, I can highly recommend just getting yourself

like a little tiny Ziploc bag for a pencil sharpener for eye makeup, because I don't know if you sometimes put your pencil, your sharpener in your makeup bag and everything gets covered in whatever residue is in the sharpener. So if you separate that from your makeup, then your makeup will be cleaner. I think there might be something here for you. It's like this life hacking thing has been revelatory.

You're very good at this and you know loads of shit about life hacks. So let me stay with it, but I may write up some sort of business plan. Okay, look forward to that. Yeah, like Martha Stewart meets Kim and Aggie. Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that like organization labeling, that could definitely be my CEO area could cut could stem from there for sure. Totally like, like a line of those things, because I was trying to find labeled things

for something all day and it's all a bit naff anyway. This is interesting, Lily Allen. All right, let's have another question, then we'll plan the next chapter of Lily Allen's career, post next album, obviously. All right, God, we are so in this, it's just like fucking deep. For the first time ever,

our producers are saying that's enough now. Wow, I could do 10 more. Maybe we'll do life hacks times two. I had one life hack, I'm just doing one life hack. Steamers instead of irons. People think that steamers are like a little bit like expensive and over the top, nah-ah. They travel well, you don't have to carry an ironing board

around with you, you don't need an ironing board. And you just put something on a hanger, shh, shh, go down it four times one side, four times the other. And you'll never go back. I've also got stuff about how to put a duvet cover on, but I think we're done. I think we are. I think we're done. That was so fun. That was great. So proud of, so proud of the Listen Bitch crew to give us that one. Because I don't think we would have ever come up with that.

Thank you Adele. Remember who she is? She's dead to you already. No, she's not dead to me, but what I would like for you to do is to choose a Listen Bitch subject matter for next week. That's right. In this early time of June, we are going to get on that. We're going to jump on the bandwagon with everyone else this morning and good morning Britain and The one show and we're gonna talk about Let's be fake together It's festival season. Don't think me and Lily haven't noticed we're're ready. And boy do we have some stories. I actually have so much to say about this. I have so many parts of my life

that have had festivals run through them and Lily went to Glastonbury for the first time when she was five months old or something. Five weeks. Five weeks. So you best believe, you know, for all those people going, who are these two and what are their credentials,

I may not know everything. We've got them on this one festivals festivals we know Okay, the number as always is oh eight thousand thirty forty ninety oh eight thousand thirty forty ninety We're gonna talk festivals together man. It's there Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do? Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do next week's episode. Let's think of a few songs that we could sing. Well let's have a real festival sing-along. I said maybe! Don't really wanna meow! Oh my god we're gonna have a good time. Lily Allen you have been fucking marvelous today and I hope you've seen your future. Do you know what I think she might have turned a little bit of a corner in this past couple of weeks. Oh. Don't wanna speak too soon. Let's not rock the boat, but that's good news for now.

Would everyone in the studio agree? Is she peppier than usual? That's a resounding yes. More pep from Lil. She's been amazing. Thank you, Lily Allen, the star of this week's Listen, Bitch. See you next week, babe.

You better be half as good as that. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneka production for BBC Sounds. Hello, podcast land. Makita Oliver, this is a Persephoneka production for BBC Sounds. Olivia Coleman. John Hamm. Gordon Brown. Ian McKellen. Samantha Bee.

Jodie Whittaker. Kristin Ridder. Michael Sheen. And that's just the ones we've recorded so far. Lots of lovely people dropping by, hanging out. I mean, that's basically it. It's pretty low concept. But so far, it's sounding rather delicious. Come, join me. David Tennant does a podcast with. Bye.

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