Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Higher Grounds

Episode Date: May 11, 2026

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens answer your questions about coffee.Next week, we want to hear your questions about LANGUAGES. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Oliver Geraghty Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This episode of Miss me contains very strong language and adult themes. And by the end of it, you really will be dying, dying for a coffee. Hello everybody, welcome to listen bitch. I'm back and I'm a bitch. I've been a bitch. Sometimes. We love bitches. That's right.

I'm a sexy bitch. So I'm here to listen. And I've had a hell of a morning with dogs. Zeddie diorid in the morning. Where? My white rug. And now... This is a smart move for it as a dog owner, a white rug.

I know this is what I thought as I was on all four, scrubbing it at six in the morning. I was like, you knew this would be an issue. Yeah, this has happened before, but you need to stop giving them treats. And now Scout, Mum just said that they're taking Scout to the vet. No. Her leg's not good.

We're going to put Scout down. No! Just like her leg's gone and Kelly's carrying her. Well, how old is Scout? About 11 and a half. Yeah, like pig I was with Grimmie at the weekend Pig's 14 now

Go on Pig He's beautiful dog Anyway so anyway Let's do coffee Let's do coffee Look at my mug Who's on your mug Want a smash

Oh my God Jordan That's from a smash it room Oh You've been to one of them No but I think I'd quite like a smash it room It is exhausting Yeah Fuck it's good right

Takes all the energy out hammer a few things. Anyway, we all like to get our energy every day from coffee. Not all of us, but I'm new to the group. I've returned to the group of coffee drinkers. So let's listen to our people, our fellow coffee drinking family. Hi, Jordan and Makita. I've been a listener from the beginning of Miss Me

and I just love all the different chapters and edits and people who come and go. I live in Tokyo, although I am originally from Eastbourne. coffee love for theme. So in Tokyo, flat white doesn't exist. And for me, a flat white is the perfect coffee. And I find myself becoming more and more irritated and annoyed when I'm served a latte and a handful of beautifully boutique coffee shops in Tokyo that serve a flat white and a really good cup of coffee and I'm 41 and I don't drink coffee unless I drink it from there anymore. I am fussy. I know what I like. I know what I want. And crap coffee just means a crap moment for me.

So what is your perfect coffee order? And have you become a coffee wanker like me? All right. Bye. I'm happy that she's saying that coffee drinkers are wankers because that's kind of why I wanted to do coffee. because people that drink coffee take it really fucking seriously. And you do become a bit of wanker about it. And I think what she said is quite telling. All the way in Tokyo, I love that you're looking at Tokyo when you listen to Miss Me. I like that she said,

it makes a crappier moment. A lot of energy is placed on these coffee moments, right? It's not just about the coffee. It's about how you like to start your day with a coffee. And there's a scene in Goodwill Hut. hunting when Matt Damon says to a mini driver, she says to him, sorry, she asked him out and says, anyway, maybe we can grab a coffee sometimes. And he, and he says something really weird and arbitrary. And she's like, why would we do that? Like something like, I don't know,

smash conkers or something. He goes, well, if you think about it, it's about as arbitrary as drinking coffee. And then you realize that it's like the moment of coffee is something, but what the fuck is this drink that we're all addicted to? And it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like a huge part of so many people's lives. Anyway, single shot latte. That's what I drink. That's all I can handle. Yeah.

Do we get into what coffee is? Yeah. Could you tell me, please? Well, I watched one guy talk about coffee who was, apparently had studied coffee for a long time. I'm guessing he was promoting a book. I haven't read his book. I was just listening to him on this podcast.

And it is, I don't even want to take the mood down this, but it's, listen, it's initially, been the backbone of capitalism. Really? Yeah, because ultimately, but prior to amphetamines of any kind, you know, like we as human beings tribally would rise

and would sleep and rise roughly in carbotation with the sun and with the seasons and like we would work within the usual remits of our body's capabilities, but then along comes this caffeine. Along comes this thing called coffee. Well, and also if you think about the concept of a coffee break

in the context of work, it's like a, it's like a mental trick, isn't it? It's like a tool. Here is your opportunity to not work whilst we give you something that makes you work for longer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in this coffee break.

And someone also referred to coffee once to me as like stealing energy from the future. Stealing energy from the future. Because you have to pay, you know, you have to balance it out at some point. How many coffees do you drink a day? I was about to say, I love coffee. I love coffee. How many times a day are you stealing energy from your future?

No more than three coffees a day. So three times a day. And I've done the whole thing. I've come off coffee. I've not drunk coffee for a year before. And that was really interesting. Also, when you don't drink coffee and then you drink it again, you realize how powerful it is as a drug.

Like it is literally wild. The rush is insane. weaning off it like. Yeah, tough. You feel really tired all the time. And then eventually after a couple of weeks, you're all right. And then you, you know, like Jade came off it. Jade came off.

She was on decaf. She's on decaf. She's on decaf. And also like it just, it just sends some people's anxieties just like through the roof. See, this is interesting. So let's talk about this, right? Me too.

I did this interview with McFly once. T4. So I wasn't that young. I was probably like 22. And I was knackered. Who knows why? A myriad of reasons. Who knows why you would have been tired at 22?

I was so weird. I was fucking knackered. You were fucking busted. Don't start with me. I probably all of a day off in a long time. Remember I did also work very hard all the time. Yeah. Thank you.

And I... With all your NEPO friends. It literally was there with me, next to me, asking for a drink. Anyway. Me? I don't think you had even flocked to my existence at this point. 22. Okay.

I was just Kane's friend then. I wasn't famous yet. You entered said group. Anyway, I know I'll have this a coffee, like everyone has a coffee. And I drank coffee when I was 15 living at Nanas and I'd given it up for some reason. Not that I was addicted to it at all. Because I only had a single shot latte. I had a coffee and I could not do this interview.

I couldn't look at them. I was jittery to the point where they were like, are you all right? What's wrong with you? And I've never had someone asked me that in an interview. I was like, oh, I can't drink coffee. So I said, I brought it back into my life. I moved in here in September. I don't know why.

And now I feel like it does give me anxiety, but I still want it. What the fuck is that? Things called addiction. No, because I'm not addicted to things that give me anxiety. I'm into, oh, white, actually. I drink, my drink of choice is a black coffee. And it's interesting that she says about the flat white, because the reason why I ordered a flat white,

white in front of my mate, Flynn, you know, or I don't know if it's Flynn or McKenzie, but they were like, oh, you like milkshakes. Oh, right, so they coffee shamed you. And then when they said you like milkshakes, I couldn't deep, in my head, I was like, if I have three flat whites a day or maybe even four,

and I just put that amount of milk, warm milk into one cup, and I just like, drug, like, that's, it just, I can't get that out of my head. Right, but this is it. I think people's coffee order is from an egoic place. You are saying who you are. Egoic? Yeah, you're talking.

talking about who you are. I'm a black coffee kind of guy. I live hard. I play hard. I fuck hard. Do you know what I mean? Is that what you think when you hear the black coffee vibe?

It's the ego that is altering. Not really what you want. You think black coffee is an ego choice. That's funny. I actually like the taste now. I can't go back. I can't go back to flat whites. They taste like a milkshake.

It tastes like a treat. Jesus. See, right. Okay. It tastes like a treat. I'm a question as well because I'm new back in the coffee space. Yeah. What's the difference between a flat white and a latte?

More milk and a latte. All right. So maybe I wouldn't like a flat white because I need all that milk. Can I just say as well, thank you for listening to Miss Me. I appreciate the question. And you know what? I really appreciate the frustration because we all love home comforts. However, I would like to highlight the reality that there's something that makes me feel a little bit uneasy

about being in actual Asia, specifically Japan, home. of incredible drinks like matcha, which has been taken over here, Westernised, everyone's loving it up. You're in the home of matcha, and your frustration is you can't drink on Australian coffee. I think it's up for debate, whether it was Australia and New Zealand,

but whatever. I would recommend perhaps enriching your existence with the local options and seeing if there are some alternatives because that is the nature of travelling. We can't always be centering ourselves. You know what I mean? You can't get a roast everywhere.

Because that's what I'm saying. Talking about this is a true. drink that's not from here. It's not a drink. You think this is a drink to her anymore? No, no, no. This is a life. You know what I mean? Like, I drink this coffee. This is who I am. I have these moments in my day with this coffee. She's actually told us without telling us how embedded this fucking bean is into who we think we are. Yeah. This is one thing where I'll break bread with her, right? Because I know it's in myself and I put my hands up to say this because this is real. I read an article talking about the fact that there is such a strong coffee shop aesthetic, right,

that the aesthetic of a coffee shop goes international. So wherever you are in the world, you end up being subtly drawn towards the cues of like a dainty coffee shop. And it doesn't matter what culture you're in. And I'll say that even extends to Sri Lanka. That you see the places in Sri Lanka that people gravitate too. It's like... Everywhere that the parents wanted to go to. Wooden benches.

Yes, wooden benches. Like monochrome signs, some like cutesy little name, a little logo, like probably a little bit of merch. They sell a fucking cap. They've got like a plant as the logo. Yeah, and also you're right, all the signs are there.

And actually even just the architecture again, like this sort of... Architecture, you will know where you're going in. Long hallway with the long bench, yes. Yes, you have the little round bit. You got the machine behind. But what's your... So your orders at, your orders at latte.

Well, let's get another question because we've really stayed on this and I'm sure our orders will come back up. I didn't mean to offend. It was really interesting. As the coffee bean is this sort of huge, powerful bean, the most powerful bean in the world, we could say. Is it good for some people financially and economically for certain countries?

Let's have another question. Good morning, Jordan and Makita. My name is Amber. I'm from the UK. I've just woken up. So it felt very fitting to send something in when I saw you guys were talking about coffee. Not only do I love coffee, the taste of it, and the gorgeous little buzz that it gives you. My favorite thing is probably like the ritualistic aspect

that comes alongside coffee. You know, and it differs a lot depending on your culture and where you're from. For me, honestly, my coffee ritual is just my first coffee of the morning. I'll always take a couple minutes. and normally do it in silence, not on my phone, not watching the telly or anything. It's really just my morning ritual to ground myself and set my intentions for the day whilst drinking my coffee. So I wonder if you guys have any sort of ritualistic tendencies surrounding you drinking coffee.

Anyway, love you guys and have a great day. Thanks, darling. Thank you. I've really felt part of your routine there. I was like in the wave of your morning. I think rituals are important. Everything we do is a bloody ritual. That's what I missed the most, by the way. When I stopped drinking coffee, I was like, wow,

I felt like I was outside of a communal culture. A lot of stuff happens, especially if you've got like a local coffee shop. That's where it becomes ritual for me. If I'm like away, if I can find a place where I like the coffee and I like the food and I'll go and work there, laptops out. You know what I mean? Digital nomads and all that. Yeah.

I mean, I think that was probably part of when we started to drink coffee again. That's so massive. But I did... So you could do more, more pitch decks. Yeah,

in different settings. And feel a bit more part of the team, man. Like, yeah, boy, do we all need a coffee. We've been working hard. Like, it's... Do you know what I mean? It's so...

Coffee bookshops, kind of the dream. It's also like a community... You know what I mean? It's a space where you can build community. Like, Bella Nev and Kenzel write a shout-out. They've, they've,

turned into a pizza place now, but those two, that couple, you know, that was like home. That's when I did use a drink flat whites, actually. And it's just like, you know, you're seen the same people come in, you have good conversation, music was good. Like, it's a beautiful space to build community. And this absolutely. And that's how this like ritual that could be for yourself, it can be, it can be very private, like for this lady, but also it can be something that extends so much out into the bigger wide world about, again, who you are, what your order is. and my order's a bit embarrassing. Like it's a single shot latte

as big as I can get it. So it's as milky as possible. As milky as possible. And Kelly said, Kelly was like, don't worry, it's like baby, you're just like baby coffee.

And I was like, yeah, like baby coffee. Like you like baby food. I love baby food, as you know. So it's, and I do love, I just like hot milk, I think.

But maybe there is a part of the caffeine that I'm enjoying, but I doubt it. I think I'm just trying to be part of a community. Yeah, I hear that. But now's the summer. My life's like really opened up.

I'm like, okay, now they're all like iced and shit. Ice coffee. I don't really like ice coffee. No, it's really not as nice. But it's interesting with cultures. I've got a friend who has a place in northern Italy. I like this small town. There's other places in Italy I haven't enjoyed.

I don't know what it is about this place, but it's at the bottom of the dolomites. Like, people just chill like it's cool. But the culture around coffee in Italy is not a joke. And it is actually amazing. Like I will say, you know, sometimes people will drink coffee, like maybe you and be like, I don't get how people can tell the difference between their beans or do, da, da, da, da. In Italy, you like, you can't go in somewhere.

You mean, you can't ask for a flat white, but a lot of these things, people will look at you, like, what's going on. Right. You can't drink coffee with milk past midday. Like, that's, that's like blasphemous in Italy. I was actually, it's not just uncool. It's blasphemous. No, you drink coffee of milk in the morning and then past that point, it's black.

And then also, they do, they have, like, bars of shots. So like you'll come in, hit an espresso, drop your euro and leave. It's amazing. And they just rotate it. So people will have like four or five shots of coffee throughout the day. Like an energy shot. And then also if you have an Americano, they give you a double espresso with hot water on the side. It's not like it's really like they're really.

And I will say I had a ritual when I was out there writing where I'd go there. They had this wicked sandwich that I would have. And then I'd have this double espresso and I would feel this really, pure like awakening like caffeine awakening which I wouldn't really have and I don't know why you know there'll be so many variables about coffee I don't understand I've got friends who understand it but it'll be like the temperature or you know how long where the beans been's been stored like all these different variations but all I know is the feeling I had from coffee in Italy was genuinely different to elsewhere there also we can do a shout out for rubbish coffee Starbucks. Oh yeah I love

Starbucks coffee can we do that? You love it I do and I really don't like cafe Nero. Cafe Nero, the best high street coffee because it's the strongest coffee. In my opinion, Starbucks coffee, amount of caffeine. I don't know what they're saying. This is my thing. You know when people are like, oh, I have a venty, triple, quadruple shot at Starbucks.

Jordan, you should look into this. This is the Netflix documentary waiting to happen. Coffee in general. You could travel around the world, hanging out with your friends in Italy, tasting different coffees. Yeah, but I'm not on the level of some people, man. Some people, like my mate Craigie, he's made his own.

coffee and he knows his shit. It would be about that. It would be about the history of what coffee means to different cultures historically and there's so much there. Yeah. I'll write it up for you. You want to see a deck that I make while I drink coffee? I'll write you a deck.

I'll write you a fucking... I was in a film about coffee, by the way. Well, this is writing itself. Yeah, I was in a film about coffee called Higher Grounds. There you go. I don't know anyone else that's ever said anything of the sort to me. I played Kate Nash's boyfriend. This is going to be just coffee.

All right up. Next question. Hey, Mackey, Tra and Jordan. My name is Selena and I'm a huge fan of the podcast and very excited for this week's theme of coffee. I work at a small publishing house as the editor of the indie coffee guides. They're basically guidebooks that reveal the best independently owned cafes to drink speciality coffee across the UK. And I was wondering which indie spots you rate in London. 15 grams, Blackheath and Greenwich. Two shops, vibes. And they have a particular, a particular bean or whatever called Meridian and it is that is through that filter coffee that I learned that the notes of coffee that I like so this is how this is when I get into like Wanker coffee Wanker territory I was drinking Meridian

drinking meridian and then they changed it to something that was called like Las Fueras or something and I was like why don't I like this one and that one? And they were like well this one's got frutier flowery notes and the one you like is chocolatey notes darker, darker roast. So then now if I go into a spot where there's like a billion different types of coffee,

I'll just be like, which one's chocolate tea? And they'll be like, okay, we got you. And it's normally from this one particular place. And then that can evolve into being someone that's like, I like this kind of roast instead of going, which one's chocolate tea? You'll know like your roast that you like. No, but I still sound like that.

No, I'll still sound like that. Because I'll go in and be like, it's not too fruity, is it? Okay, that's good. I'm still a wanker. Yeah, yeah, but a proper coffee wanker. Which of your brew has the suggestion of Ecuador and like... Exactly.

That's where we're trying to get to. People do do that. They taste the thing, though. Like, can I have a taster? That's what I mean. There's so much in this documentary that we're going to find out.

No, I really don't think I'm the person for that, man. It's really not. Unless it's a USP for me to have like kind of a bit of knowledge, but not loads of knowledge. Yeah, no, you're discovering. For example, this is actually the best example. I think, in my opinion, the best coffee I've ever had is Jamaican Blue Mountain Coffee.

Right. Right. But if I said that to anybody, who really liked coffee. Apparently that's the equivalent of me saying, I don't know. What, that you like... My favourite band is The Beatles or something. Oh, right, basic bitch.

But what blows my mind is, I love the taste of it so much. I genuinely, I really love it. And also the sad side of it is, it just reminds me that, like, Jamaica has the best of what is arguably the most profitable industry, in my opinion. And yet they don't even have enough economic resource to industrialize their own...

Anyway. Tell me someone else. better than this to host my documentary coffee. Come on. No, but it is mad. I spoke to them now. You care. You're curious. Why are you not using, why is Blue Mountain coffee

you're not literally like floating the whole of Jamaica? Yes, why is Jamaica's biggest, uh, uh, tourism when it could be coffee? Both, yeah. And they got rum, they got loads of other things, but it's not them. They're not industrialising. It's other countries. Obviously. I know, I know, but it's just frustrating.

I've been lost, don't worry. You're going to get to the ball of it. For fuck's sake. On our BAFTA winning series. What's your indie coffee shop? Yeah, super. Black owned, delicious. I guess they're roasting the kind of beans I like, Jordan.

Maybe I should ask them. Should I ask them? Yeah. Let's have a break. Let's have a coffee break. Let's have a coffee break. Let's have a coffee break for me coffee. Get back and get another question.

Yeah. Another question. Hi, Mickey. Jordan. This is Raymond. I'm Brazilian. I'm leaving Sydney, Australia. big, big fan of the podcast. And I also a big fan of coffee. I wasn't, actually. I became a good fan

of coffee when I moved to Australia. As a big fan, I was very disappointed when I went to London last year. And for the two weeks that I spent there, I didn't drink a single good coffee like no good coffee in London. Why is that? Why is that happening? I was so disappointed. It's so expensive. It's so flavorless. You know, you see, like my lack of words to describe the coffee in London, it just reflects on the, you know, the lack of good quality coffee in London. I was dying to come back to Australia to actually drink a good coffee because we do have some good, good coffee here.

But yeah, let me know. Why is coffee in London so terrible? Um, first off, fuck you. No. No, two things. One, I have to shout out. I can't remember about all the coffee. Antonio, the man in the van.

We see each other every day and he makes my stupid single shot latte for me. And he's just fantastic. And the part wouldn't be the same without him. Secondly, you said coffee was from Australia, right? It's not from Australia. No, no, no. The flat white was an Australian invention. Got it, right.

Double check. And New Zealand. Okay, cool. Can you know, when was that like popularised? Because this is quite interesting. I didn't know this. In like the Nauties. Right. Okay. Right. So that came with that wave of coffee. Obviously centuries old.

Australia also, unless I'm wrong, Australia also popularised the idea of roasting coffee with butter, which meant that the high of the coffee would last like longer. I think it's like a four hour high usually. Actually, it was in Ethiopia with ghee in the ninth century when they were doing that. roasting. Sorry. Also, it also says here when I typed it in that it's actually a traditional Vietnamese

roasting method where they're coated in butter. I don't know where I've got this idea that's Australia. I've really fucked it there. It sounds very old. No, but thank you for drawing it to the attention that you could roast a nut. Keto-style coffee, it's called. I think it's become less popular,

but there was definitely a phase about 10 years ago where people were like, yo, can I get that? There was that one place in London that did this particular butter, coffee roast, but I heard it was Australian. But yeah, there's obviously a huge coffee culture in Australia and it's led to the point where they'll be disappointed Australians in London. But, I mean, me personally, my...

It's an inevitable outcome. Yeah. My enthusiasm doesn't like... I'm not that into coffee. There's times on the outskirts of London where I know that, like, I'm not in... You're getting strong instant. I imagine when they figured out how to make instant coffee.

I bet that was... Interestingly, that would have been a huge hit for a long time and now no one would go near that because it's about your ego and no one wants to look like they've got instant coffee. No, people, I know coffee drinkers who would drink the instant coffee

to get them through the one hour until they make their actual coffee. Oh my God, get a grip, people. I'm being dead ass. I'm being dead ass. They'll wake up and they'll hit the instant coffee and then go through the stages because obviously a proper coffee drinker,

you can't just rock up and do the coffee, you've got to go in, maybe it's got a brew, got to get the right temperature. Some people do drip coffee, which literally takes like 20 minutes or some shit. And now we're talking about

the popularisation of the home coffee machine. And that's also something that's happened. My mum got me a coffee machine for Christmas because I was just like everyone on my team drinks coffee and everyone's leaving to go get it. And it's like taking up time. So she got that.

And then I was like, oh, good, because I'm drinking coffee now. Everyone does seem happier. Like there's this thing that they can go to, make their coffee when they want. Ritual. Brought everyone together a bit of a little old coffee machine. The answer to the voice note is, I don't think that coffee and,

London is bad. I think you went to the wrong places. But I mean, if you're Australian, maybe your standards are too high. So yeah. Nice. concise. Let's have another question. Final question, please. Hi, Jordan and Mikita. My name is Segreda. I live in London, but I'm originally from Eritrea and I grew up in Ethiopia, which is the birthplace of coffee. So as you can imagine, coffee is very, very important to me as an Eritian. It's not just a drink. It's culture, its communities, connection. And I remember growing up in Ethiopia, when guests came over, we would do the coffee ceremony, prepare the coffee, sit together, talk, just gossip, share stories, love and bond. So it always brought people together. My question to you is, do you have

anything similar in your own culture with your families or life that brings people together like coffee does for me. Thank you. I love, love, love your podcast. I just, I love, love, love that you love Miss Me. You seem like a very loving, sweet woman. And I love when Miss Me does that, Jordan. I love when I talk about something. And then for some reason, full circle, it comes around. And then that lady's from Ethiopia is Eritrean and can tell us about what that actually means for her culture that coffee's from. Yeah. Like, thank you, Miss Me. Thank you, the magic of Miss me. I just, I think, tea. Tea's so deep. Tea is so deep. Me and Namer and Phoebe did a magical evening. Namer bought me a full moon tea. We did it on the Scorpio full moon. It was a

fuckery of everyone's lives. So I hope everyone's okay on the other side of that fiery chasm of a moon. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. And the full moon tea consisted of so many beautiful herbs and spices and flowers and petals, but it's also what we made it. That's just having a cup of tea together, but it's not because of what we make it. And when someone is grieving and someone says, can I get you some tea? That's them saying, how can I show you love right now? How can I look after you? Tea is a byword for how can I love you better? Wow. That's actually a really beautiful way of putting it. Jade would agree with you. I think that you can tell a lot, I think, about a person from the way they make tea.

There was a person in our lives who made a bad cup of tea. And very early on, Jade was like, that's an issue. Like, I'm not sure. And then coincidentally, didn't go well. Right. And like, and she genuinely turned around

and was like, I should have just trusted from that first cup of tea. She knew. It was even the first, like, there's no good to come from somebody who makes tea like that. Absolutely. Because if we're saying it's about love, it's like, oh, no.

Well, this is what's so interesting is that, yeah, you can literally taste whether or not someone cares, whether they're paying attention, whether, you know, like, it's an important one. And, and, yeah, I don't know if I, I don't know if that's my, we make a lot of tea in my family, but my family, like, you know, I've said this before on the podcast, it's like shrapnel. There's like, they're all over the place. So I don't know what rituals we even have other than, like. But if you and Herman were sitting down with one of. you probably say, my dad, do you want some tea?

Yeah. Yes. There you go. We constantly make tea. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we constantly make tea. My dad has about 17 sugars, but yeah, we constantly make...

So Caribbean. That was actually, that was actually like a... I know everyone throws around terms these days, so I'm very wary of saying this, but I don't believe I have OCD, but I do have habits that have formed over years and one of the things in my old flat,

which I did religiously was every time... Literally every time I came into the house, I turned the kettle on, whether or not I was even making the tea. I just put it on. on because it was like I might do. I might make a tea, you know? Probably well. And weird, I'll just throw this in as a last bit, last bit of last minute trivia before we start. My current thing that's been this way for eight years is that if I see a set of shoes that aren't put

together left and right, I'll put them together. Otherwise I feel uncomfortable. So someone like kicks their shoes off and ones are upside down and they're the wrong way around. I'll pick them up, put them together and then put them somewhere. 100%. My parents didn't even have, my parents had no shoe rack in the hallway, so it was just shoes that Garfur in like rows of three that Garfur was piling. Stacking. Stacking. Wrong way around, odd ones. And I was like, this is actually starting to affect my day.

Because the first thing I see when I leave the house, the first thing I see when I come back, they now have a four-tiered shoe rack and everything's really neat. And I'm really proud of them. So I get that one. Great. How do we get there from coffee? That's just what coffee does. I don't know. It was rituals. Ritual.

rituals. I wish we did have more ritual. The answer was you do. You do. Yeah, tea. We always make tea. We always make tea. In England, we always make tea.

That's the shit I'm talking about. A cup of brown joy. Let's be deep just for a minute about how important tea is to English people. Like, come on. Like, it's what we do. It's who we are. It actually is who we are. Because it really is something that doesn't translate.

It's who we are. Like, elsewhere, people are like. Full stop. They're not really fucking with tea like that. No, full stop. Even where they make tea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's a way of being.

Where they pick the tea leaves, they're like, you guys are really into this shit. Do you know what? We should probably do tea then. But later, in like a month. Let's let the coffee cool down. I wanted one coffee pun. I'm so happy that was it. Let's like the coffee cool down and we'll, I would never say serve the tea.

And we can wait for the tea to brew. Yes. It's so great having you back. It's like my dancing partners returned to the floor. I had a nice standing. I had a nice stand in. Didn't Zawi do a beautiful job? Oh, fuck.

We never meant to be going to what Zawi last episode. Let's do it now. She was great. Listen, shout out Zawi Ashton, right? For those who don't know, it's not that much of a like, we're not like, oh, let's pick a random fucking name out that had to do a guest. It's like, no, brother. I know and Zawi for a minute interviewed her on my old podcast back in the day.

And we stayed in touch ever since her brother almost. lived with me in Margate? No, do you know the other bit of Zowie between us trivia? She came to my birthday, obviously you were away, and I forgot about the other link, the main link, which is Zawi and Uncle Eamon.

Oh, they worked with each other? Yeah, it's back in the day. He's fucking active. Right, it was great. And also, my mum gave Zawi some pregnancy advice that Zawi claims actually helped her through her first pregnancy, which is great. And they saw each other at my birthday,

and it was some amazing reunion. She's family now. She's family now. But the thing, I just want to say, the thing I love most about Zawi, like, is, and you would have, I'm sure you can attest it, especially she's come to your birthday. There are like some people in life that alter the chemistry of a room when they enter it. And Zawi is 100% one of those people. Like, she walks into a room. Oh, I also went to her book launch.

So back in the day, I remember that now. She wrote a really trippy, like, abstract memoir. I felt very lucky to have her. Do two weeks of Miss Me with two very young children. She's got a lot going on in her life. And she made the time. And it was, like, really, like, huge. hugely beautiful for Miss Me to have Zowie.

But then it's so great to have you back. I'm like, okay, all right, we got this, man. Looks like we got a family here. Good vibes. And we need to call it in the fourth corner, Louis Theroux. That's pretty strong. Okay, that's quite good Power Rangers. It's a pretty good Power Rangers, yeah.

What's the theme? Oh, for next week's Listen, Bitch. Oh, yes, we can do the bilingual thing. Yeah, maybe we should go to that. Let's do languages. Fuck it. Next week's Listen, bitch, is... Languages.

Let's do languages. Let's do languages. I really would like to. Okay, cool. Listen, bitch. Languages, it is. Tell us stories about languages. Ask us questions about languages on 08,0304019.

We'll see you then. Jordan, thanks for two more weeks of you. It's been great. Is it weird the whole episode, I'm just dying for a coffee now. I know, same. I should really want one. And it's getting two o'clock is the latest,

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