Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Hold The Phone

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about phone etiquette.Next week, we want to hear your questions about GENTRIFICATION. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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Well that was great. Well hi, welcome to Listen Bitch. We are fresh. We're recovering from the disaster that was our show on Friday night. Thursday went a little bit better but it was pretty... yeah. Let's not talk about it. Let's not talk about it. Less said about Miss Me Live the better. What an absolute shit show. I'm only joking, it was amazing! Yeah, we did ourselves proud. We really did. We really did. Made a lot of people happy. It could have gone either way and I think it went well.

I think according to what we're saying now, it did. It went either way. Can't be too certain which way, so we'll just leave it open. You tell us, what did you think of Miss Me Live? It's subjective, you know, so like some people loved it, some people did not. That's where we live today on today's Listen Bitch. Welcome to Listen Bitch.

The theme for this week's Listen Bitch is phone etiquette. Okay, how etiquette-y are you with the way you use your phone in the world? Ooh, yeah, I think I'm quite good with my phone. I don't think I take... No, what am I talking about? My mum hates when I do voice notes, but we'll get into that. Lil, do you want to ask her the first question? Yeah, I would actually. I'd like to hear the first question on phone etiquette please. Hello, I'm Phoebe. I'm 24 and I'm calling from South East London. My question on phone etiquette is how do you answer the phone? How do you pick up? Is it your name? Do you just wait for the other person to talk? Do you go in with

hello straight away? Or the last digits of your phone number? How do you answer? Well, it's not 1991, so we don't do the last digits of the phone number anymore. I remember though, actually when I lived at my mum's house, I would do that. I'd answer the phone and be like 1527. What was St. Peter Street phone the phone be like 1527. What was St. Peter's street phone number? 288 1527. Yeah. Files terrace was 221 3993. Geez. Grouchos is 439 4685. Yes. We know you know Grouchos numbers off by heart. And that's because of neglect in our childhood, not because we're ourselves. We were just looking for our parents and that's where they were. No,

wait, I was talking about this with someone the other day. Well, how do you say hello? Now, this is interesting. I said to someone young, younger than me, I said, you know that no one ever says hello. You don't say that. You say, hi Lil, because the name's on the phone. But in the old days you'd be like, hello?

No one ever says that anymore because you know who's calling. I don't know what I do. I feel like I do go, hi, hi. Like I say bye. You know what? We actually used to say, listen bitch, but that would just be ridiculous now.

Some people, it depends, like my poor long suffering mother, I would be like, yeah. You can be quite harsh on the phony. Let's be honest. I think I'm just not talking, not talking and not harsh person. You're not harsh person, not talky. We have great chats on the phone. Less so now we do this, but texty.

You can be quite phone etiquette I would say is, should we wait? Because that's not what they asked us. Let's give this a minute. We'll get into that. We'll get into Lily and her phone shit. How do we like saying hello on the phone? It depends who it is.

It really depends. If it's my daughters, I'll be like, hi, Papa. And if it's my mom, I'll be like, Hi, Baba. And if it's my mom, I'll be like, Yeah, what's up? Because usually it's like some query about something in my kitchen. Like, how do I turn? How do I turn the oven on? Like same way that I told you last week? It's been years now, five years. Also, like 64 years of being on planet Earth and like, basically

spending most of your time near ovens. It's like, why? What's different about this one? Most of her time near ovens. I'd say most of her time on film sets, not ovens. That would be my mother. That would be my mom. No, she produces films from the kitchen while making me food. What a woman. Can we have another question please? Oh, today's a bitch. Hi, Lily McKee, it's Beth from Bristol. Love the podcast, love you both. Always have, always will. My question about phone etiquette is,

what do you deem appropriate and acceptable when it comes to people being on their phones around you? I just feel like we've entered this culture where it's become acceptable and normal to just scroll, scroll, scroll while you're in the company of other people. And it really fucking winds me up. I'm like, what are you looking at? Just put it down. For me, it's just a massive barrier to connection with people.

Even if you're watching telly with someone, you know, your mate comes over to watch telly with you, then you end up sitting on your phones all night. What's the point? You may as well be in your own respective homes doing your own thing so yeah i really enjoy putting my phone down um even if i am just watching telly like i know people who literally cannot watch a film a 90 minute film without picking up their phone five six times and i just think it's it's bad for us it's it's fucking up our souls and our connection to each other so yeah when you're with someone, do you put your phone down? Do you expect them to do the same? Yeah, and that's my question. Anyway, yeah, love you both. Cheers. I don't expect people to not use their phones in my company,

but I do think that scrolling Lily Allen, if you're like at lunch with someone or dinner with someone, isn't cool, you can get a bit scrawly. Outrage. No, I don't get scrawly at dinner. I might like overly check my WhatsApp or like... Yes. I don't actually think it's Instagram you're on. You can just get quite phony.

But I know that's because you just, I think you just... I don't even know why, but I know it's not malicious. It's because I'm an addict. I'll tell you why. It's because I get little serotonin boosts when somebody texts me or somebody calls me or someone leaves me a message or someone makes a comment on one of my pictures on Instagram. I'm like, oh, I'm a person. Oh, I'm a person. Oh, I'm a person. I'm alive. I'm alive oh I'm a person oh I'm a person oh I'm alive I'm alive I'm alive okay so what is the not texting back thing about let's just get into this because okay let me be honest I've been too scared to talk to you about this in real life so we might as well do

it here what is the note because I'll be like hi yeah love you miss you blue tick nothing just Yeah. Love you. Miss you. Blue tick. Nut in. Just like nothing. And then I'll be like, okay. A few days later, like, I just, just wanted to say about this thing that, like something that needs an answer. Nothing. So I'm like, okay, so either way I'm getting nothing. Is it, do you just watch it?

Do you see something and go, okay, noted, and then put your phone down? Because I am quite obsessed with like, gotta get someone just even said, hi, Keats. I'm like, yeah, hi, hi, darling. I think it's just I think it's my ADHD. So I think it's like, I'll get I'll see the message and I'll be like, what was I just doing? Oh, yeah, ordering Fiji water on Amazon. And then, oh, my God, I've just revealed myself as being one of the worst people on human kind of I love I love your fridge full of mini Fiji waters. It was extremely pleasant. No, don't say they're mini.

Don't say they're mini. They're so tiny though. Oh God. They're so tiny and luxurious looking. I was like, oh, this is luxury. I'm going to stop it. I'm going to stop it. But no, I think it's my ADHD.

I think that I get- Your brain goes somewhere else. My brain goes somewhere else. And then I just fit and then I'm just like, you know, onto the next thing. And I just forget. But also when you're communicating emotions to me by text, I find that quite hard. Yeah. Because I'm like, am I expected to reciprocate? No, you don't have to reciprocate. You could just kiss, even a liking of it would be good.

I said it one the other day and I showed it to you, I was like, she could have just a hearted it. Because I do love you and I do but I just, but I feel like. I know you love me. I know you love me but I feel like sometimes on the phone. But then like how does it end? It's like I love you, I love you too. No I love you. See that's what I know it is. It's your fear of when does this end. Shall we meet each other and do some love this week? Like, this is really good to know. This is really good to know because also it's not always this way.

Obviously you've been going through a really fucking hard time. So phone phone etiquette must be applied to the situation and the circumstance. Sometimes you can be gray on the phone. You've been a bit shit this year and we all know why. Yeah, yeah. Next question, Lily is about phone etiquette. Hello, Lily. I'm Makita. My name is Taryn. I'm from New Zealand, but I'm calling from Berlin where I currently live. Absolutely love the podcast. Thank you so much. It's really been

getting me through the winter. My question for you is regarding group chat etiquette. I think you can tell quite a lot about a person by the way they navigate a group chat. And I think there's a lot of people who lack group chat etiquette. And perhaps these things are kind of new and they kind of haven't like the etiquette kind of hasn't been defined yet but something that particularly irks me is when someone asks a question without bothering to scroll up and see that the answer is already there but on saying that I can be a bit of a yapper and I'm sure that's annoying to people and I'm not sure if it's the best group chat etiquette so So my question for you both is, what kind of person are you in the group chat

and do you think you have good etiquette? God, that's quite an intense way to handle your group chat. Like if people don't know that I've already mentioned this earlier off and they don't scroll up to check, like, okay. Relax. Let's have a bit more fun. I'm not really in any group chats. I only ever really get invited to a group chat if it's like, you know, some people,

like a couple of friends and we're like going on a weekend away, then we'll start a group chat for that weekend away. But then when the weekend's over, the group chat gets deleted. And I'm not, I would like to be in some more group chats. That's why I would like for my birthday, my 40th birthday would be to be invited for two more group chats. Okay, you don't want to be in the group chat organizing your birthday. Let me tell you that.

That was intense. What do you mean? I mean, obviously, you know, something's happening. I don't know anything. What are you talking about? Okay, good. You're definitely not in that group. You are in a group chat with me and Phoebe and what's

it called? What's it called? Needs spiritual advocacy or something. It's called Lily needs a little magic and she pipes up whenever she does. Lily needs a little magic. Ding, ding, ding. Hello. Yeah, it's really good. It's like for one thing and one thing only. it's very to the point is succinct. Sometimes we go off on tangents, but the main point is Lily might need some magic and it's right now. I really like that group. That's like my calmest group out there. I realized in groups, it's a bit like group chats is a bit like comments on Instagram.

People write in a way that they know others will be reading it. Oh, actually, I am on quite a good group chat with my godmother Henrietta and somebody else who's famous and I can't say who it is. Not that one, no. Which is called, Her Stylist Hates Her. We just post pictures of people that look really bad on red carpets. Yeah, Ili loves that one. It's a good one, it's a goodie.

All right, I'll ask you another question then, darling. Can I have another question? that look really bad on red carpets. Yeah, Lily loves that one. It's a good one, it's a goodie. That's a good one. All right, I'll ask you another question then, darling. Can I have another question? Yeah, let's have another question. Hi, Lillian McKeeta, this is Sharon from Birmingham. It's a sunny day here and I am having the day off because I've got a bit of a cold and feeling a bit crappy. So I'm at home doing some cleaning.

I've just finished your Listen Bitch for the week. And the theme this week is phone etiquette. And I was like, oh my word, I've got to get on the blower and ask you this one. So my pet hate is when you're at a restaurant and parents get phones out and prop children up, even when they're little, I mean, really little, like one, and just propping them up with a phone. And I don't want to hear your little peppa

pig or whatever you're watching on your screen. And it really does wind me up. And I'd like to kind of know your thoughts on that. I just wish we'd give people a chance to kind of sit at the table, little kids sit at the table and just eat their meal and behave. Then potentially trying to entertain them. I don't know. As you can tell, I've got no children. It's just whatever you are. But yeah, I'd like to hear your thoughts. Love the podcast and yeah, I'll see you soon. Bye. Heather Alley Thanks for saying that, Sharon, because I was like, yeah, this sounds like me a bit. I don't have kids either. But I would not only just want the children to not have the phone and behave, you said not behave but engage. We were very engaged in our grownups

lunches and dinners and all of that. And it was very good for us. But I don't have kids and I imagine it's exhausting. You're just like, you know what, let's just put that show on you love. But if they don't have the kid doesn't have headphones, it is quite a lot for other people, especially because the sound of kids TV is the most jarring thing in the world. I've never done that and no judgment to people that do do it because I imagine there's like, you know, maybe their kids have like behavioral problems or, you know, they themselves have been like working really long hours and like can't be bothered to interact with their kids at dinner like

Fairfax like There are these things now that can basically watch over your kids. But personally I've never done that I've never Used the iPad or the phone. I don't think My mom does it with Marnie if Marnie's like misbehaving, I see my mum just go. And what keeps them happy on the phone now? What would like calm them down? Well, they don't have phones yet. They're still not having phones until eighth grade, but they'll sometimes steal Nanny Ali's

phone. Marnie likes YouTube shorts, which means, which is basically because she hasn't got TikTok. So she's got the next best thing, which is basically because she hasn't got TikTok. So she's got got the next best thing, which is YouTube shorts. And I went upstairs to check on her the other day. I was like, what are you watching? And she was like, I'm watching the queue of the road lip balm pop up store in Beverly Hills. I was like, Oh my God, great. I was like, what is what's the understanding about this? She was like, it's just cool. I was like, no, babe, it's not cool.

No, no, Marnie, you're cool. This isn't. Come on. There's a whole bookshelf of books up there. Let's read, let's read a story together, shall we? Should we start with a little book? The queue of the road pop up. It was like, you know, like sped up, like someone with a camera, like all the way down the street showing how long the queue was for people to go and get a lip balm.

So she's excited by hype and something that's happening in the world and obviously is your youngest. So probably video content she's very comfortable with and is very used to. They're very into beauty at the moment. They're both very into like beauty I mean I check up on Haley Bieber road stuff sometimes as well money We can do that together now goddaughter. Just lie around

She'd love you to take her to a road pop-up. Yeah activations Well, I'm there for research and I'll take her for love. So this is quite nice new Avenue for me and money Nice one. Let's have another question, shall we? Let's have another cross-border. Hi, Lillian Makita. This is Elodie from North London. I hope you're both good. My question for you is what is your opinion on Bones in the Rave? Specifically, people recording. Do you think it's a non-issue or do you think there should be more etiquette surrounding it? Thank you.

I don't go raving anymore. I can't believe there are phones in the rave. Of course there bloody are. No, it's not a rave if you're filming it. Yeah. What are you filming it for? That's just rubbish. There's one thing a gig, but a rave... No, it's not. Because even at gig, what are you doing? It's bad sound quality. Like, you're not going to sit at home and be like, what should I do tonight? Oh, look, you know what?

I'm going to watch that 25 second clip of Billie Eilish that I caught in 2019. Actually, when you go through your phone and see that shit again, you're like, delete, delete, delete, delete. I was there. I told people. Can't wait to get home and watch that um that you know that Texas gig that I recorded in 1998. But you know what actually

Garfield just found a lily Garfield just found a video of um Goffstonbury. Remember when we used to do the family uh the birthday picnic for Garfield um and we called it Goffstonbury. Remember when we used to do the birthday picnic for Garfield? We called it Garfstonbury. It was in the big park in Clapton outside my parents' old flat. It's 20 years ago and we're all there and it's like everything looks different. It's weird. The road and even like the block of flats, they're like building them because it was Howard house before wasn't it? And I thought thank god we have this. Like thank god some drunk mate of Garfs went around that picnic filming something when we didn't really film things. So I think it is in Phil Legg or someone it must have been. I think so, so, so. But that's not a gig, that's not a gig. No, no. That's a family event. It's not the same. A rave you're in.

And I have wonderful memories of raves with Lily and I don't need any pictures to remind me. Thank God, actually there are no pictures of that period of our lives. Thank goodness gracious me. I think it's rooted in people actually have like a fear of enjoying themselves now, like to like surrendering themselves to an experience that may or may not move them. And so there's

an anxiety around it. And it's like, I'll just I'll just do what I do in all, you know, anxiety provoking situations, which is get my phone out. Oh, well, apparently, Will's just told us as the as a dirty little raver, which we all know he is, that the rave community have spoken up in comments occasionally to say don't film other people at the rave. Like, it's not cool to like, show these people in this moment of freedom and you know, joy. So the rave community are standing up for themselves in this particular instance. I think it's time for a break. Well, if you think it's time, then it's time, babe.

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Listen now by searching for Dear Daughter, wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Welcome back. Welcome back, me and Lily just had to quickly use our phones. All this phone talk made us miss them. Can we have another question, please? Hi Lily and Mikiita. My name is Ellie and I'm currently in bed, procrastinating sleeping with the help of your lovely podcast. And I'm absolutely loving this week's topic of phone etiquette. I found that there's a big generational difference in the accepted forms of communication between each other. My grandmother's generation loves a phone call, my mother's

generation loves to text and my generation loved to voice note. I think there's something so lovely about being able to hear people's expressions and thoughts in real time while being able to respond when it's convenient. So my question is voice notes. How do we feel about them? Love them. I sent you a voice note this morning, first time I think probably. I never send voice notes. I was so excited. And then when I knew what it was about I was even more excited. It was a reason though because I can't be bothered to type it was long.

I was just like, okay, whatever. Yeah, yeah, I was like, oh, surrendered into the voice note game. Why don't you like them? What is it you think that they're sort of showy offy? I just think just call me bitch. Just call me bitch. My mum says that I do a voice note face. Not voice note face. She just despises voice notes. She refuses to open them, refuses to listen to them. I don't send them to her

anymore. I also don't send them to my... My agent Jess told me once that she said they're quite... What's it called? Self-indulgent. And it's true. It's like people there like to two minute 50 voice notes, like, okay. But see, I do send quite long ones. It is like resisting connection or intimacy in some way. And actually, you know, like I've had, I have, God, I'm gonna sound like such a boomer now, but like I've had, you know, Gen Z people work with for me and ask them to do certain tasks or like get in touch with certain people and then I'll ask a few hours later, I'll like, did you speak to so and

so and they'll be like, I've sent them an email. I'm like, no, I didn't ask you to do that. I asked you to call them because I need an answer quickly. Like sending an email is like going basically like, you don't have to deal with this for a day or two to the receiving person. It's like pick up the fucking phone, be vulnerable, ask the question that needs answering. Yeah, get the answer. And then fucking live with the response. You know, it's like, it's not that deep. What is your favourite way to communicate on the phone then? With my mouth on the phone.

With my mouth on the phone. It's on the phone she's old school this one i have to say if someone i messages me i'm like i do i i message you sometimes i know but you've got two numbers and then i message so you're i i expect to hear from you in lots of weird ways but ellie said ellie said if someone i message you i'm like you're weird i know it is weird And he said, if someone iMessage you, I'm like, you're weird. I was like, no, it's weird. It is weird. Why? Because you're just so used to WhatsApp.

Yeah, actually, WhatsApp went down for like 20 minutes, possibly, the other day. And I was like on my way somewhere and I was like, I was really like, wait, what does this mean? I started having this whole spiral of all these people I wouldn't be able to communicate with in all these ways for this huge amount of time. Then it came back. I was like, okay, relax. And then it went again though. And I realized that when I moved to iMessage, it's like, suddenly you're talking like can you call me please, rather than like, silly, get in touch with me. I need to talk

about this. But WhatsApp is very clever. It's managed to mimic conversation very well. You know what I mean? Like it gives you that rhythm of conversation, which is very smart. It's smart. It's funny. It reminds me of when Instagram goes down and then everyone on Twitter is like, Hi guys. Where's the other one? Where else can I be seen? Oh yeah, over here. So yeah, I will from now on I will Carly Amar I'll call you babes. Yeah I mean don't get your hopes up you know.

You do like a FaceTime actually you do like a FaceTime. Sometimes. You'll always be in bed. This is Lily's FaceTime right? Always in bed. Always in bed. I've never known anyone to answer the phone vertically so sorry sorry, horizontally so often. And she's always looking up and she's always got her hand over her head and she's always playing with her eyebrow or her hair here. Even Phoebe Oliver was like, was literally doing this. I was like, yeah. Do I? Every time. Yeah. Always like this.

And then you're always like, kind of doing facial expressions. I mean, it's quite nice that you can be so vulnerable. You even have meetings with us when you're in that bed. Yeah, I like my bed. What can I say? On the email, can Makita and Lily please be in situ for Miss Me for this meeting, Lily, in bed? Didn't care. I was here all like, lights on, in bed.

I was like, what are you talking about? Why would I bring my microphone and laptop to bed? I'm just gonna do this on the phone. Yeah. Thanks. I don't think they were saying bring it to bed they were like get the fuck out of bed. Absolutely not. What day is it? Thursday? No. You love bed. I've got white lighters to catch up on. Yeah. Couple of my couple of books. It's where you're happiest in bed. I'm trying to lotus to catch up on. Yeah. I've got my couple of books. It's where you're happiest in bed. I'm trying to think of a good way to say next question using a phone etiquette kind of how could we bring the way we talk on the phone into how we ask for the next question.

Like, oh, I got it. Oh, someone on the other line. I'll call you back. Does that work? Yeah. We'll just have another question. Ding ding, bing bing. Hi, my name's Ella.

I'm calling from Singapore airport, about to get a flight to Chennai in India. My question for you guys about phone etiquette is what is your opinions on responses to nudes? What's the correct way to throw on to a nude? How quickly should you reply? Should you be offended if it isn't quick? And what and how bad is a thumbs up reply? Okay, thanks, bye. Ha ha ha ha. Send, sending a nude.

So if you've sent a nude to someone, get a thumbs up back. I've never sent a nude to someone. Get a thumbs up back. I've never sent a nude to anyone. No, me neither. We prudes. Nude prudes. Yeah, yeah. I did send a boob to the guy from First Dates that I was dating.

From Grimmie's Couch. That's cool. How'd it go down? Did you get a thumbs up? I'm actually not saying how it went down. What's the best response? Like, wow, your tits are amazing. Or like, heart? Yeah, what are we looking for? I suppose you want like...

I think double exclamation mark. But that's a bit like, wow, boobs! You want it to be a bit more like grown-up sexy response Mmm. What would that be? What do I want? Can't wait to put those in my mouth later, okay, so that's stuff. I don't find that hot I do really like because I'm personally say sex thing and What you want I suppose is whatever the is, is to lead to this person definitely thinking about having lots of sex with you. Surely that's why we're all here

in the nudie, prudy game. I just think you're just giving them something for the wank bank, aren't you? They're either like, thanks. Thanks. Thanks, Suck. Thanks. Thanks, Suck. Saved. Saved. Saved to album. Nice one. Okay, so we haven't done it. We are prudes. But yeah, we might be entering our nude era,

so we'll get back to you on that one. Let's have another question. Let's have another smutty phone etiquette question, you dirty bunch, you. Hi, Lily and Makita. This is Brianna from Atlanta, Georgia. I've lived in Notting Hill for quite a long time and love seeing you all about out and about. Really love the podcast and enjoying it so so much. It takes me back to to that time and really enjoy it. Thank you for all that you're doing. Lily, you look wonderful. And I'm so happy that you're back. Awesome. Awesome to see you prioritizing yourself.

On the subject of phone etiquette, I'm currently sitting at the airport waiting for a flight back to Atlanta and get really overwhelmed with people using their phones on speaker. I just wanted to get your feedback kind of trying to decide when this happened, what generation does this the most and how we can prevent it together short of passing out headphones to everyone. Thanks so much again enjoy

you guys so much and everything that you're doing keep it up. That's quite a good idea actually just having a little bag of like you know cheapo headphones just when someone's listening to something on the bus or whatever you can just like be like you just like one huh here you go they're on me they're on me because you're annoying me okay they're on me so we're not giving them we're not giving them apple headphones we're giving them ear pods no no they give you like the shit ones that they give you on the plane in fact maybe just steal the ones that they have on the plane and then you can hand them out to the

people on the bus. I guess I'm quite a private person, apart from what I'm doing, miss me. I'm sorry, you are not a private person at all. What are you talking about? I actually am, Lily. I have a Pisces moon and it's a part of me, very soft in a part. It's very, very private. I'm not even joking. And that's tested every week here. And I don't understand why it, cause like to the point where even something I wanted to watch would be quite private, a private experience or whatever. And I don't understand why people are watching like a drama that they love, like a TV show that

they love, like on speaker, on the tube with everyone else listening. Sometimes it's like a really harrowing scene and the whole tube's watching it with you. And they seem completely oblivious to the fact that they're like sharing this with everyone. I always find that very, very weird. They are. Do you think they want people to know what they like? No, I don't think they're thinking about other people at all. They're probably narcissists and they live in a world where they are the center and everything else is noise. So they're not considering the thoughts and feelings of other people. They lack empathy and they're entitled.

You should listen to my weird dodgy show I'm watching right now. It's my tube journey. No, they're not even thinking that there is anyone even worth acknowledging in their field. So they're not being like, oh, this might be annoying people. They're just like, it just doesn't even occur to them. Have we talked about gentrification yet on Miss Me? I might make it a listen bitch. I might make it next week's listen bitch,

because when I was writing about gentrification and when I was sitting in for J. Rayner for The Observer, one thing that I realized that I was really talking about is just this, yeah, this singular living, the idea of other people being around you and actually that creating a better, more fruitful life, the way you share this planet with others, just being something that people don't think about at all anymore. And I think it taps into even just being on the tube and like,

this is my bespoke life and I don't notice anyone else in it. It's like, well, that's not really how we share a planet or a city or an area hackney. Okay. So I think I will talk about gentrification. I think that might be listen bitch's next subject. Okay, we'll have our final question please. Hello, my name is Peter. I'm voicenoting from an actually quite sunny Canterbury today where I lived with my husband. We've lived here for about three years and we moved here from a flat just off of Port Bella Road. So not far from your guys' ends.

I have a question. It's how many times do you think it's appropriate to say goodbye at the end of a phone call? Because I seem to have picked up this habit from my mom where when I say bye to someone on the phone, I go, all right, okay, cool. Well, I'll see you later, bye. Yep, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

And then I hang up. Like, I don't know why I say bye so many times, but it just, it happens. Yeah, so I just wondered how many times do you say bye when you hang up the phone? Love the podcast. Love you both. Bye. Great question.

Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. Bye, bye. No, no, no, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye I guess this taps into in the 90s, no you hang up. I think when you're like when you're like feeling someone and you're talking it's like bye okay okay no bye okay bye all right bye bye okay bye. I like that kind of extra bye's but when someone's just in namely saying okay bye bye bye bye okay okay bye it's like okay that's enough i don't want to bring anyone out and i'll

just be nerves i don't know what i don't want to say what i think is acceptable and what isn't acceptable but i feel like i probably do that sometimes no you're one high bye bye okay should we do it now? That was a great Listen Bitch. Yeah! Okay, bye! Okay, and then I'll go, okay, bye. No, you need to think of a theme, where you already did.

I got it! Yep, next week's Listen Bitch theme is... Gentrification! Good old gentrification. Don't forget to send in your WhatsApp voice notes to 08000 30 40 90. That's 08000 30 40 90. Can I just make a special request? Wherever you live, could you maybe just like get really specific about the area

so we can really deep dive into what gentrification looks like in many, many places? Because I'd be really interested to know the difference. I've been part of two huge generational gentrifications. Can I also ask to be really specific in that I want your first given name and also your nickname that your friends call you. Oh, good one. That's nice. Let's start fucking with Listen Bitch a bit more. Yeah, this is good. Alright, we'll see you all next week. See you next week. Thank you very much for attending another Listen Bitch session with us. We hope to help you again in the future. And yeah, it's been great. Bye! Bye! Bye! I'll see you soon. Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Hello, podcast listeners. If you enjoyed Miss Me, you might be interested in hearing a series

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