Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! How’d You Like Your Gravy Hun?

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens answer your questions about the Great British Sunday roast.Next week, we want to hear your questions about SEASONAL CLOTHING. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

The following episode may contain strong language and themes of an adult nature. We're just saying that because aren't only, we're just talking about roasts, but I guess, yeah, there will be some things. Just be careful. Just be careful. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Listen, Booj. This is going to be about my partner.

favourite subject who unfortunately can't be I mean she should just be here I'll be real I shouldn't even be conducting this list and bitch episode it's ridiculous we asked for Jade she's busy so we've got Roasty second best we wouldn't have been if somebody had been prepared to change

days but that if someone wasn't busy so this is your fault that I'm now the representative of opinion gonna put the little mix hate on me now like the roast leading no like the roast But fortunately,

Jade has, she's left three voice notes, so. Oh my God, great. So she will be engaged with the show for anybody who's already planning on switching off on the basis that she's not engaging with roasts. Welcome to today's Listen Bitch.

If you were looking for Lily Allen or Jade from Millman, neither are here. I'm really sorry to disappoint everyone. That's ridiculous. But it's me and Jordan. She's got a question, actually. Okay, not yet, Babes. The theme for this week's Listen Bitches,

is the Great British Sunday Roast. We love it. Wow. It's part of our identity. Let's be honest. Let's have our first question about identity stroke Great British Sunday roasts. Shall we start with Jade? Let's start with Jade Thurwell calling in from London.

I think I'll play her question. But she also sent me two voice notes, just declaring her love for roast. It's clarifies some shit. They're just clarifying. So I think we'll begin with her question And then at some point We'll just sporadically place the other two voice notes Which are her declaring her love for roast

And why she loves them Okay, let's just go So her question is this, let's see My question for the listeners would be How'd you like your gravy hunt? Tell me how you do it And how do you improve on it Because I personally hate a thing gravy

I can't lie, I do as you do Just a bist or special And I'll pour in the meat juices So it feels a bit fancier but I would actually love how to better my roast game so any suggestions are very welcome be that the roasties, the gravy, the meat, yeah, give it to me. Give it to me! Yes, Jade.

Immediately, Jade's obviously been confused about how the questions... I didn't ask her to give a question to the listeners. I asked her to give a question in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know what I'm going to do just to really fuck with shit? I think I'm going to get Andy Oliver to answer. Oh, that would be a dream. Because it's a gravy question. We're redirecting Jade's question to Andy Oliver.

It's a big Miss Me family out here. Look at me, look at me searching Andy Oliver and not being able to find it. Because it's mum. Try typing in Mum. Yeah, that's impressive. She might be on set filming Great British menu for this gorgeous station. No one cares. Oh my God.

Andy Oliver. How can I help you? That's very good timing. I've just walked in my dressing room. What are you like? Interesting. Is that because you just left the set? of great British venue?

Yes, why? Jordan goes, no one cares. No one cares. No, no, no, no, you've got to give more contact. About you being on the BBC right now. Sorry, on set. Oh, what was it about? I'm saying no one cares because I want to speak to Andy.

Get her to answer the question. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, so we have a question for you. First of all, what do you mean no one cares, you little asshole? Yes. Okay, it's firstly Andy. She can't hear me. She can't hear me.

Okay, no, wait. We need you for five minutes, five seconds. We need to get you to answer a question. First of all, how fucking dare you? Mom, listen to Jordan. Hi, Andy. Love ya. Is this your different voice now I can hear you?

No, no, no, not at all. I said no one cares because I want your answer to this question. It's very important. You're the greatest chef in the UK. Okay, listen, Jade's asking it, all right? Yeah. My question for the listeners would be, how do you like your gravy, hon?

Tell me how you do it and how do you improve on it? because I personally hate a thin gravy. I can't lie, I do as you do, just a bistore special, and I'll pour in the meat juices, so it feels a bit fancier. But I would actually love how to better my roast game. So any suggestions are very welcome. Be that the roasties, the gravy, the meat, yeah, give it to me. There you get, so the theme is Great British Sunday roast, ma'am.

Have you got a pen and paper? You're writing this now? No, mum. This is the audience. Just say it. Write it down. It's a serious. If you really want some proper weight, actually to the audience have missed me,

around the world from Peru to Canada, if you do want some tips, right down. This is really important. So what is really important is the base of it. So your bottom line has to have loads of flavour. So don't make it. So a really shit thin gravy has got no substance. So start with caramelised onions. I always start with caramelised onions and garlic. Cut them really thin, sweat them down so they're really soft. Get lots of nice colour on them. You know, grate the garlic, if you must, whatever. Just make sure there's really thin so that they soft and use butter at the beginning. Then all of your, if you want a nice thickness to it,

take a tiny spoon of flour. And when that butter is browned off and the onions and the garlic are soft and golden, put a couple of spoons of flour into it. Stir that around. Then you've got a little rue. Then pour all your cooking juices from your roasting meat into that. Yeah.

And actually, sorry, no, go back a step. pour some wine or cider or rum or whatever you want. Not for me. Not for me. Not for Jordan, but yeah. Yeah, all right, just use stock. And then pour your cooking juices in. Pour and then add, if you don't have enough ballast to that, use those little gel stock things.

They're fucking brilliant. Chuck one of those in just so you've got enough flavor. You know, not everybody has a pint of fresh stock in their fridge, do they? Yeah. So if you don't have that, use those. cooking gel stock gels. They're really, really good. Amazing.

How do we... Bubble it all up. It'll get really nice and thick and then at the end put a big whack of butter in and it will go all silky and delicious and yummy. That's why she's fucking Andy Oliver.

Yes. That was phenomenal. And then you can just make a big ass pot of gravy. Never make gravy in a small pan, right, Mama. We're not talking about Zhu. We're talking about gravy. That's right. I think that's what Jade meant.

Well, that was great. That was from... Jordan to Jade to you back to us to the world So I think that's quite enough now Get back to work Andy Thank you Thank you very much Thank you very much

Incredible Absolutely incredible We should just end the podcast now It does feel like a bit of a finaliser That's a finaliser That's done bro Like what's the fucking point I was going to say

I pity the bastard That's got to come after that And it's me and you We have to have good answers now So We have to answer stuff Like we're so unequipped to do This entire episode

It's ridiculous cook. Neither of us have any idea what to say. Well, I'm going to try and spread out these Jade voice notes. Like, I'm just going to answer everyone's questions with Jade's voice note, even if it's the same voice note. That's quite good. That's quite good. Okay, let's have another question for this week's listen, bitch. Hi, Makita. Hi, Jordan. This is Jay from Kuala, from Malaysia. And my question is, how would you describe a Sunday roast to someone who's not from the UK? because, I mean, I'm from Malaysia and I do have friends from the UK here in Malaysia

occasionally Sunday do go out for roast as well so I'm just curious is it like what's the history behind it or disinificance to it? Just curious and sending lots of love to Lily as well. Bye. Don't tease me Jay from Malaysia the history of the roast.

I did look into this and... I already know. I didn't even have to say utter a word. I know you're on this. The origins lie in the church, of course. And on Sundays, after, you know, gathering communities, gathering together to be in prayer together, they would bring the meat and then they would cook it all as a congregation together and everyone would sit around and have meat and vegetables together.

And I think if we describe to you what happens on a Sunday in this country is kind of the same thing, just like people do go to the pubs and do go to each other's homes to congregate and come together to eat this kind of one meal that everyone knows that everyone's eating at the same time. And I don't think there's another day in the week where you know that there's one meal being eaten by so many people en masse at the same time. And I think it is our way. Fish and Ship Friday? Okay, yeah, five fish and chip Friday.

I know, I made that up. Did I make it up? Totally Fish and Ship Friday. That is a thing. And I love that we have days of the week in this country where certain things are meant to be eaten. I'm sure they have that around the world as well. But I think it does tap in, Jay, to our need for connection, connectivity.

community the day before we start a new week. I really do believe that. Sunday's a precious day, man. You've got to enjoy your Sunday. That's why I'm going to start chanting on Sunday nights. Yeah, I've got no notes, really. Thank you. Thank you.

I just did it. So far the all of us are winning against Jordan and Jake. Next question, please. Hi, Makita. Hi, Jordan. My name's Gemma and I'm from Essex. Absolutely love the podcast. you just do great things moving from different topics to different topics but always being

on point okay Sunday roasts a hat to message in because controversially Sunday roasts really really irritate me I don't understand why it has to be specified to one day it isn't very nice whatsoever anything that's a component part of a traditional Sunday roast as soon as you remove gravy which tells you everything you need to know about how tasteless the food is. And people get really offended if you don't think it's a great thing. What do you think about the Sunday roast? Is it something that you think is an institution?

What do you think about it from a flavour perspective? Honestly, truly, if you had one meal, would it be a Sunday roast? Would that be your last meal? Discuss. Firstly, I don't trust, Gemma, because I don't trust people that don't like a roast. Secondly, it seems to me a damning indictment Of the people who have made her roasts Quite

I don't know if anyone specified that roast Need to be unseasoned I don't think that's the requirement I don't think it's like You must have a seasonless roast Yeah Because if you cook those elements fucking well You could invert what she said

She said None of the ingredients of roast Are good without gravy But equally would she just drink a cup of gravy I mean that's like the same for tofu and shit like that Yes you have created a plate that is heightened by gravy By her gravy That's the point you have to put it on something

What else you put in? Well she's not saying heightened She's saying it's being given everything The gravy is the flavour And then that's the texture The gravy is the flavour And that is I think it's that's the chef That's the chef

I think when a roast is done well It's amazing because in principle Vegetables I don't want to get boring about it But you know you've got your pretty balanced plate If you're not going crazy, I know people are putting like half a tub of butter into like their swede or whatever or... Yeah, I'd like to go specific though.

What vegetables do you prefer? Preferer. Because I'm really simple, like within the roast. I'm very simple. I like carrots and greens. I actually have not Googled this, by the way, before I say this, but I'm assuming that roasts are seasonal.

Yes, there's now summer roasts, which kind of suck. Yeah. I like a bit of cabbage. I like broccoli. I like parsnip. Nips. Jade makes swede. Oh, does she?

Is that like something that's traditional on her family? They have double mash. They have double potatoes. They have roasties and mash. I love that. That is the only problem. Absolutely. It's the only problem I have of the roast is that I would prefer mashed potatoes,

but to have both. Roasties and mashed potatoes, just to be clear. And I would say close to half a tub of butter in the mash. I like it. In principle, a roast can be healthy, which is nice. The Yorkshire obviously a bit nuts. but like it's, you know, I love the architecture of a Yorkshire. Like, why is it like that?

Fun. It's to put the stuff in it, right? You like make a little Yorkshire, you like put all the remains into the Yorkshire, eat it. I love all that. History of the Yorkshire pudding. I bet there's some weird fucking reason that it's that shape. But I will say, can I say one thing, other thing about Gemma's question? Yeah.

I get it from Jade's, well, it was one, our friend Holly. Yeah. She is convinced. She says I hate roasts. She says I hate roast because I don't find a way to eat them every week. I'm not drawn to the idea of... She was like, you don't love roast properly. Yeah, yeah, because they...

I can't explain to you how spiritual. And just, again, there's two answers to the jamest question here. Firstly, I'm casual about roast. I love roast. I'm not going to lose sleepover, not having a roast every week, right? I mean it. These lot will have... They will lose sleep, Makita.

Do you remember Mondays where J. hasn't had a roast the night before they're different if they missed it she'll make it on the Monday or it's even been a Tuesday no fuck off

I'm being dead serious it's once a week I've seen this woman sacrifice days off purely to the endeavour of making roast I'm sat there being like look it's been a nuts week

yeah let's just sit back we'll order take out like it's not you know I mean we've worked hard she's like no three four hours get the saucepins on flame the shit

shit up. Love that. But what I do love about it is the communal element. Like I love the fact that people come over, Jay's friends come over, my friends can come over. And that connection is beautiful. And if roast can do that, then yes, I will eat them forever. More power to them.

More power to roast. More power to the roast. And I'm confident it would be Jade's last meal. I think the way you're talking about it, we can definitely say that. I think that also, that's why I, you know, I'm not just like, maybe I am, but I'm not like a history buff trying to just like. to shove history down people's stories. There really is a reason for everything

and the reason that things feel deeper than they are is usually because of whence they came and their intent in the beginning. So I really do believe that there is deep feelings around communion and connecting on that day of the week. Gemma also said, like, why that day of the week? I think it's because we're all about to start a new week and you're meant to kind of like...

Well, no, because it's the religious day. I know it's a religious day. But I'm saying like, now, today, why would like 10 mates feel like, let's get a roast at the pub. It's their way of going to church, I guess. Yeah, also, can I just say there's another side now. I don't know if we'll have any more voice notes from Essex,

but I've probably had one of my favorite roast in Essex. I bet it. A place called, I want to say it's called Chequers or something. In like a place called Matching Green, mainly actually for the dessert. The roast was good, but the apple crumble out of this world. Oh, I love a fucking good. Oh, I went to the best place.

Do you know what I'll leave it because it might come up. And also, can I say, just to be fair, Bust the Mantis in Deptford does a Caribbean and roast out of this world. I've heard of this. Out of this world. That's my vibe. Mix it up.

Also, Obies and Margate. Jade puts in, listen, if I say to Jade that we go Margate, the first thing she does is ring Obes and book the roast. Sometimes a month in advance. Okay. What is Obes? Is that like a pub? Yeah, it's like a soul food restaurant.

Oh, so again, see, okay, I don't fuck with this. I don't like fucking with the roast at all. I hate when my mom adds an element like that. I'm like, mom, can't we just have like, It's something really traditionally British for just one meal. But I've also been to traditionally British places that do shit roast. So if it tastes good, it tastes good. Yeah, for sure.

If it tastes good, it tastes good. But like, my mum and nan get a bit like, let's do some okra. I'm like, hang on, aesthetically. Ockers, that's pretty wild. I mean, we're slapping together, you know. Too far, right? But, mm, no. Go on an ad break eats?

This is making me hungry. I wish I had a bowl of potatoes and gravy to go eat in the abbrecht. but I don't. Jade makes roast potatoes with gravy as a snack in the week. That's a little side hustle. She's incredible. Let's go to a break. Welcome back.

We're talking about the Great British Sunday roast. It's like having a big cuddle together as a world. Yay. Love cuddling. I love cuddling. Let's do cuddling for a listen bitch. I could do a whole cuddling. Let's do cuddling.

for a listen bitch but today it's about great british sunday roasts all right what's the next question please hey michaia and jordan it's amanda here from hackneywick i'm just laying in bed just listen to monday's podcast episode or i was drinking my coffee waking up i thought i'd send a little voice-noting about roast dinners my worst thing about a roast dinner is people that have ketchup or mayo on their roast dinner i think it's the most basic bitch moods that could possibly happen. I'm well up on a condiment game, but it's got to be a bit of mint sauce,

a bit of horseradish, potentially mustard, depending on the roast dinner. But yeah, I just want to know what is your favourite condiment for a roast dinner or are you a basic bitch?

Anyway, love you guys too much and looking forward to hearing this. I love that. I do think ketchup on a roast dinner's like blasphemy. Oh, good. I thought you said for shout when she said it. No, no, I agreed. Also, mayonnaise, I just have issues of generally.

Well, really, I fucking love mayonnaise. Okay, this is a bigger question. Yeah, I could have guessed that. Yeah. Why do I look like someone that loves mayonnaise? You're giving mayonnaise. Do you know what the worst thing is? I know what you mean?

Like, I agree. I do actually think I do get mayonnaise. Whatever that might mean. Oh, shit, that's funny. This is actually, there's a deeper conversation. The conversation to we had here. The conversation is, when condiments and sauces get involved, how does a Sunday roast not become Christmas dinner?

No, no one's having catch up a Christmas dinner. No, but what I'm saying is when you start getting a bit mince saucy and cranberry sauce and horseradish, I feel like that's getting a bit Christmas dinner. So what makes a Christmas dinner not a roast? Bread sauce. Brussels sprouts. Is that it? So it's just one change.

in vegetable. But Christmas dinner is pretty much a roast. A turkey, I guess. Yeah, oh, you're the turkey, yes, I suppose so. It's the same concept in terms of like the plate arrangements. I guess people might say that like you have to have caramelised parsnets in Christmas. Like, you can't have roast parsnip. Like if you don't have rose parsnets at Christmas dinner, then like what's wrong with you? You can have it on a Sunday but like really at Christmas. See, I disagree. If they were parsnips in my roast, I think that was a bit Christmas dinnery. Yeah, okay. But you know what? I think that would be fair though. And that's got to be seasonal. Come on. That has to be something.

Surely that's the fucking winter food. That's an autumnal roast. Yeah. Yeah, so basically Sunday roast is the origin of the Christmas dinner. Anyway. Anyway. I'm a fan of horseradish. It's horseradish your favourite.

And if you're going getting a roast, because I went to Camberwell on Sunday and went to the Camberwell arms, what a fucking roast. Is it? Wow. Mm-mm. But we had to book two weeks in advance. Like, give me a break. Yeah. For a roast at the pub.

If you've got a good roast, mate, you're going to be... It's a toughie. And also, can I ask also... Because me, Tyson, Namer, and Phoebe all took out our friend Cheyenne, who was over here from New York. We took her for a roast for her birthday at the Chamberlain a couple weeks ago. And they called me halfway... Because we weren't getting there until six or seven. And they called me about four o'clock and said, everything's running out.

Do you want to order your meat now? Like, what does everyone want? That happens, right? Yeah, six for a roast is crazy. Just conceptually, people will be hearing. that going, are you okay? Is six crazy or should they just order more meat? No, no, Miquita.

They know that they're going to run out by three. They don't know. So if they ordered more, a third more, my mum works in hospitality, thank you very much. If you ordered a third more, it means that I know about orders when you're trying to serve a restaurant. The point, okay, so are you saying that this restaurant is order based only, as in pre-order? No, I'm saying that every restaurant that sells a roast, which is a lot around the country when they're running out why don't they just go next order next week let's order enough so that we can sell roast till eight o'clock and make more money okay yeah sure but i guess from

their perspective is if you have people who've booked the table at an outrageously late time for a roast like six o'clock because you might be the only person they've called and said that if you then have a really busy 12 to 4 which is ultimately when people have roast and people are coming in and asking for random meets that you haven't been able to pre-pre-pre-pre-perperperper are you as a excuse me, your mum's run restaurants, are you as a restaurant runner going to over-order or try an order to like a respectable amount? Because what happens if you over-order

is you end up wasting food. So what I see in the pub on Sundays is people there till 10 o'clock, getting pissed. If they could eat till 8, they would. Everyone's always like, oh, I can't believe we've missed the roast. It's not like, thank God they stopped the roast because I definitely didn't want to have one after 5. If there was a place doing them until 8, they'd clean up.

Look, if that's different. How's that different? Because this is another conversation. You're saying, should roasts be dinner, not lunch? No, I'm not. You are? No, that's another conversation. That's essentially what you're saying.

No, what you're saying is a roast has to be lunch. I didn't know that. I just think you can have a roast on a Sunday. Okay, you think people have roast on a Sunday like 9pm. In my fucking house. My mom is long and late. We've had roast at 8 o'clock many times. I've personally, like, never made a plan to have a Sunday roast and thought, I'm going to have it in the evening.

I've always thought, like, it's between 12 and 4 or 5, maybe. Interesting, 12 and 4, I'm more like 4 and 7. And that's just me, and that's just you. I guess, okay, let me ask you this. Why is this giving me the kick or so? Let me give you a genuine question. Yes. If you're running a restaurant, budgets are tight.

Sure, I've been there, been there. Do you go, let me buy two extra chickens. Just in case somebody comes in at 6 p.m. to have a chicken. In fact, sorry, let me even change this up. This is even better. She's asked you what you want because you don't even told them what meat that you want. So you're not even just asking somebody to add more of one meat. You're asking a restaurant to buy more of three or four different possible roasts and just have it. Yes, to have roasts available till a later date. But what it is, is instead of... Based off of what? What you're doing is stretching

out a business model that exists. I'm talking about re-looking at the business model in a way to increase growth and a way would be to look at the habits of people today and people are hung over, they leave the house later and if there was a roast at seven that they knew they could get, they would, people would be going there. And so like the business model has to change. You have to take the risk and go, I wonder if we are the place to go roast until late and wonder if that kicks off. I like being risky in business. Yeah, fair. Yeah, great. Give it a go. I think we've definitely I think we've really

eat this question out Give it a go Let's I'll give it We start We start with conjurance Miquita's late night roast business

is going to be fucking brilliant And there's going to be no waste There's going to be no waste She's going to buy so much meat

And it's never going to get wasted Okay What I'll do Is I'll talk to some chefs That I know And pitch it to them

They would love To work longer hours That would actually Love That's actually on a Sunday Pitch that to her chef Like, you know how we would get you into, like, worked tirelessly from 12 to 5. What was you working about 12 to 8?

Every chef listening to this, message Makita and tell her how you feel about extended hours on a Sunday. If you're interested in growth, let me know. We need to be less interested in growth. Oh, yeah, that conversation again. We're slightly opposing in that. Share wealth, shared wealth is more what I'm talking about. Well, why don't you cook your own roast, then? Sorry.

I will I will That's the answer to your question Cook your own fucking roast You can eat it whenever you want I'll do I'll host my own roast At midnight

At my house On a Sunday Can we please Get us the fuck out of here Next question Please Hi Mickey And Jordan

My name is Nail I'm from Paisley In Scotland My question to you is Do you think that the meat is the most important part of a roast dinner personally for me i don't at all i am a vegetarian so i obviously never have the meat part of the roast dinner i don't even have a meat substitute i just think that every other component is so delicious that you don't even need it there

but everybody else asks me what on earth do you have with a roast dinner and for me it's obvious. I just have everything else. But to other people, they can't imagine a roast dinner without the meat. So my question to you is, is it the most important part? Or do you think everything else is what makes a roast dinner? Oh no. A vegetarian. Poor fuckers in this game. Let's be honest. I don't think that's true. I'll produce some nuts of vegetarian. She's like, I don't think that's true. Well, try 1986 vegetarianism trying to get a roast. What do you mean? If you're a vegetarian in this country 20, 30 years ago, you just got a mushroom.

That's all you got. Mushrooms are fucking lit. Mushrooms are lit. Mushrooms are great. And I eat them instead of meat quite a lot. I think they're a really good substitute for that kind of. Love mushrooms. I really do.

I know you. It seems like you really do. I want to say to Nell, I commend her love for vegetables. One thing I'm a bit confused about is that there are other cool things that you can have, which I've had before because I don't eat red meat. Oh, yeah. Sometimes I don't serve white meat. at roast places.

Oh, yeah. And that sounds mental, but it's generally true. And so I'll have, like, um, tarts. You get, like, tarts. Don't come here in our Great British Sunday roast chat and at, like, the tart from the starters is any kind of...

It's not from the starters. Okay. It's not from the starters. It's the vegetarian option. It'll be, like, starting to do of sweet potato or... I have tasted a really good nut roast before. My mum used to do a really good nut roast. Nut roast is amazing.

Oh my God, I love a nut roast. They are good. My mom did a banging one in her restaurant in Stokey. Yeah, man, nut roast. I actually would sometimes just go for a nut roast regardless of my food preferences. Yeah, I think I would, you know. I don't really get the beef.

I always get the chicken. I'm not a huge red meat eater. But someone in our family, because of their partner, but the Christmases she had, her partner's family's house, didn't have gravy. and I just think gravy is as we were talking about earlier

well this goes back to the other caller's name absolutely absolutely goes back to that other voice knows that it's dead without the gravy but it's not dead it's just a beautiful way to finish things up and I guess I don't feel like a roast is finished until a jug is down actually at the Camberwell alarms on Sunday before they'd even come I said can we have extra gravy

and they were like absolutely when they're weird about extra gravy I don't trust the roast It's like you know that roast is about abundance so you're not going to be weird if I ask for extra gravy. Yeah, but a plate of, you know what I mean a plate of veggies, little Yorkshire putt. I hear it. But would you need gravy to

have a good time? You can get a vegetarian gravy couldn't you? Yes, you would be having a bowl of vegetables and gravy. What was their actual question? Is a roast good about the meat? Sure. Can you enjoy a roast without meat? Yes, it's the short answer. Sure, but shit potatoes are unforgivable. Un-fucking forgivable.

Yeah, yeah, but let's assume the potatoes are good. The answer is yes. Okay. Let's have another question, please, for the wonderful communion of us all coming together to discuss something that brings us so much joy, the Great British Sunday Roast. Hi, Mickey, Tend, Jordan.

This is Sophie. I'm originally from South London, now living in Singapore for work. The Singapore food scene is amazing, but you can't really replace the great British Sunday roast. so my question for you is what is your ideal situation for a Sunday roast like where are you who is around the table what is on your plate and also bonus question if you have room for dessert what are you having apple crumble next yeah oh god I fucking love apple crumble children

apple crumbles is just a goat I mean of all apple based desserts is that what we're saying What do you say about strudel? It's a strong second for me. I really like strudel. I like to have it with cream. And my nan used to make apple strudel with raisins. Apple-based desserts in my heart forever based off of my nan. She had an apple tree in her garden.

Do you know what's interesting? I was talking to my nan when I was living with her, we were doing a lot of, I don't know, just a lot of giving her new things just to make her mind work a bit better. She wouldn't stop talking about how much she loves apple pie. Any time someone's talking about apple pie, she'd have apple pie.

And I was like, Nanny, you love apples. So I ordered her a McDonald's apple pie And she'd obviously never had one McKeetha what the fuck No you don't like the McDonald's apple pie I mean I ate it once And I was stoned in Amsterdam That's about it

I have to be very honest It's one of the best apple pies out there I despise McDonald's with my entire being Okay but it doesn't mean they don't make a good pie I hate how many adverts are on television I despise McDonald's Anyway so she had the pie It's so beautifully crisp outside

And the outside It's really hot inside It's so buttery and creamy She loved it so much And then I started talking to her about apples And they don't fucking have them In the Caribbean So she loves apples

Because she first discovered them At like 18 when she came to England That's amazing Imagine discovering an apple That late in life We get fed pureed apple Like as babies Apple is a taste we know

She came to England And I think that's why So many Caribbean people love Do you still eat pureed apple That's sad, Sorry, I'm in touch with my fucking shit. But like, can you believe that? So I think maybe that might be why your grandma loves apples too

because they discovered them late. Yeah, maybe. She had them in her garden. She'd make me apple stew. My other grand would make a granny's apple, which was like cold apple stew with, like, chocolate on top of vanilla essence. It was great.

Can I just ask about the apple stew that the Caribbean, is this Guyanese? Guyanae's grandma. What is apple stew? That sounds so up my street. And I don't think my nan makes it. It's just chewed apple. Oh.

to have with like... It's like you warm it up, you soften it, very much up your street, to be honest. It's pretty much puree, but it's warm. Yeah, it's like hot puree. Yeah, basically. But it's a bit of chunkier. Yum!

And then do you have it with like cream and custard? Yeah, I think so, cream. Yogurt. Yeah, yogurt. I make stewed fruit. Apple's the best for desserts for sure. Love it. Thank you.

The lady from Singapore. Singapore is crazy where this podcast goes to. It's amazing. Yeah. Can we get another question? Hey, Jordan. I'm Akita. This is Joe from Manchester, long time fan of the pod. Got a voice note, question slash story slash dilemma for this week's theme of Sunday roast. So growing up, I'm part of a big family, I'm the youngest of five, quite traditional in the sense that we would have a roast every single Sunday without fail.

Until I went to university, I didn't realize that my mum's roasts are pretty shit. I can't lie. At the time when I was younger, obviously didn't really have any experience with any others, didn't go out for roast at all. And then when I went off to uni and I was making roast dinners with friends, I realized, oh my God,

what have I been missing out on? Have you ever had a bad roast dinner and not say anything? Or should you always tell that person? Because I think it's been a long time dilemma for me and my brothers and sisters of whether we tell our mum that her roast dinners are not,

very good because we're still having them every Sunday when we go back and visit and no one has said a thing to her. Bless her. Cheers guys. Thanks for your help. You can't tell her. You need to keep your mouth shut. Go over to your moms. Eat the roast. Tell her she's a fucking amazing cook. Give her a kiss and go home. Like that's how she's telling you she loves you. Can't tell her gravy is thin and her potatoes aren't up to scratch. You know what I'm saying? I'm inclined to agree or just make your own roast. She might start asking questions. That's good. Invite her around, make an excellent roast and talk about it. Yeah.

God, it's good when the potatoes is crispy on the outside and fluffy on the inside. Don't you think, Mum? Model the change. Be the change that you want to see. Be the change you want to see in the world. You want a better roast from your mum? Invite her over. Make yourself a good-ass roast.

You want a better roast? You should be a better. You better be a better roast. You better be a roast. You better be a roast. I'm going to play Jade's voice note. Yeah, Shady. I'm playing Jades.

I'm going to play what she loves about Roasts. Oh, okay, good timing. So the thing I love the most about Sunday Roast is just everything quite truthfully. They bring me so much pure joy. I can't explain the excitement and warmth and love I feel when I've got a Sunday roast in front of us. But it has to be a good one, obviously. I like the nostalgia. I like that it was such a staple part of my like family life growing up like for me some of my

favourite memories for like sat having a Sunday dinner with family or friends and you know and if I was like poorly or not feeling very good if I knew I was getting a Sunday roast I'd be buzzing and so I think there's that element of it and I love now that as an adult like we have basically an open door every Sunday anyone could come in friends family we kind of lay out our dinner like recovery and I just love the kind of community feel of that it's the like probably the one main mail a week where we're all sitting down at the table together like chatting and just having fun and and then afterwards you get to sit on the sofa and watch something shite and fart to your heart's content and so yeah that's kind of the stuff that I love about it and as

Jordan knows I take it very seriously um you know I put my heart and soul into the making of the roast dinner um every sunday for me like it's my kind of therapy i'm always on my phone for work or social media or whatever it is and i feel like making the roast like over this the course of like four hours is when i can just relax and i know what i'm doing um i find a therapy it gets me off my phone um it feels like a labor of love that i'm doing for myself as well as the people that I love around me. Wow. So that's someone who really loves roasts.

And I'm glad I even got the time right. I didn't realize that she found it actually relaxing though. I guess that goes against my point of suggesting we don't do the cooking because we can just chill. She'd rather cook them be on her phone. It's fair. Yeah, and I was just thinking about the more I learned about her family and where she was from, like she's had quite a whirlwind of a life.

Actually, you know where I learned a bit more about it as well? In the Bloody Girl Band documentary, she was like, Jesus Christ, they did not. Yeah, because Perry's from Shields as well. Yeah, they didn't stop for 10 years. Did not stop those girls. So if you find something that, like, connects you back to childhood that's grounding, maybe reminds you of what's important in the world. Like, Jade's right.

We literally went for a roast in LA once. Oh, God, was it awful? It was right. Oh, God, I can't believe they even try it in L.A., but she just needed that grounding, right? No, no, there was a British pub, yeah. Oh, bless her. It was like, they might have a roast.

Yeah, we searched for it. Yeah, jokes. We should all be so lucky to be close to something we know brings us the things that Jade knows a roast brings her. Yeah. Those three words were very important. It was like, I feel emotional. Grounding. Grounding.

Relaxing, yeah, communal. She reminds her of like comfort and warmth. Nostalgia. We could all do a bit of nostalgia on a Sunday. Thank you, our wise Buddha, Jade. I think that's how we end then. Should we just end there? That's a nice way to end.

Before we end the podcast, I want to say I have had some messages for a few reasons. Obviously, I've been very vocal about my love for animals, as is reflected in my jumper right now. Pigeons watching over me. I love pigeons. I love animals. I've been very clear about my conflict around the meat I do eat, being like white meat. But it just has to be said that not even just the meat itself, but like the cheese. I've been shown a lot of stuff that's been happening around the meat.

mass production within farming. And I will say that, like, regardless of what the taste I like and the concept, you know, the basic concept of eating meat, I don't think I dispute. And the concept of, like, having milk and cheese, you know, even though it's a bit odd if you think about it. But like it's, you know, I don't dispute it. The issue is the way we're making it right now is incredibly questionable. And for that reason, I really do understand the concern and the drive and the push from vegans and animal rights. activists because it is some of the things I've been shown since we announced that we'd do this as a listen bitch has like genuinely horrified me. I can't even say some of the things I've

seen. Really? God, I didn't know it would stir that up in people. It's like beyond, it's like beyond anyway. But my point is we shouldn't be treating animals like slaves. I think that's that's the shortest thing I should say. I agree if an animal can be raised in a loving environment and there's a whole process and there's care and compassion and intention. and ritual, then I'm open to it, you know. But it has really got me thinking, where am I getting my meat from and my dairy from? I told you, Sophie and sent me, Godfels got daughters,

send me those videos, and you can't unsee shit. And we all know too much. So I think it is really important that you said that, Jordan. I really enjoyed talking about roast today, though I felt like we did all come together and like commune and become a bit of a family for a minute. Dare I say, dare I say. Me, you, Mum, Jade.

around the table with the world. Do you know what I mean? Like with like Singapore and Malaysia, what the fuck? And Essex. Like what a fucking world miss me is. I fucking love you, miss me. Even though this is listen bitch. I love you too.

We will be back next week. Fuck, we need to think of a theme. Oh yeah. What kind of time of year is it? It's like, okay, it's winter. Let's have a look. I did like seasons. But mainly because I just thought it was really funny

when you were talking about the way girls talk about winter but I think we have talked about that. Have you? We could somehow blend what you said because I know you want to do clothes men wear and then girls loving winter that is kind of the same conversation, I think. So what is it like?

Let's do seasonal clothing. Seasonal clothing is fucking good. The theme for next week's listen bitch is seasonal clothing. Why is this making me laugh already? I love it It's such a good theme This is actual bug bear of mine

This is a bug bear of mine Brov I got tails to tell And opinions to tell All right Seasonal clothing it is We will see you next week Send your voice notes

To 8,0304090 08,0304090 That is the miss me number You should know it by now Come now You should know it You should know it to be honest Send a voice note will yeah

I should just be sick We should be saved. Can you save the number, I wonder? I wonder if we could be saved. You can save any number you want, Micah. So we could be a Miss Me contact in someone's phone? You literally could save that, yeah. I think if anyone would like to do that, probably make your life easy. I think you could be like, oh, come I just,

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