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Episode Date: March 17, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about gentrification.Next week, we want to hear your questions about MENSTRUATION. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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I have to say, was it fun doing it with loads of people there? Yeah. That was really fun. Shall we have a little clip of how Listen Bitch went with a live audience or should we save that? For what? What are we gonna save it for? That's the, let's play the clip then. But my question is, what were your favorite

accidental West London nights out? I think this is a good, thank you, you fucking diamond. Lovely to see you. I think this is a good time to talk about gentrification for fucking cation. Okay. Because here in Hackney, not only, finally I can talk about this with a mic, not only have they blocked off every road, let's talk about LTN tonight, but you have to book the fucking pub.

And that is a buzzkill. Who wants to say let's go to the pub next Wednesday? It's like, oh, okay. It's not our fault. The city is too ruley now, and so there's no chance for spontaneity anywhere. Do you still live in West? No, I live in Dublin now.

But I'm here with my friend Steve and he lived West for a good while, but like nothing happened. I bet you don't have to book into a pub in Dublin, do you? God no. No, you shouldn't have to. You shouldn't have to. I think that's the problem.

I didn't know about this. Yes, what they did is in COVID, while we were all sleeping, they blocked all the fucking roads off, like every single road. So you have to blocked all the fucking roads off, like every single road. So you have to stay on the main roads in Hackney. Like, you can't go on a side road. In a car? Yes. Okay. But like, and occasionally you'll be like, there's that one road and then they'll block it. And what they've done is they've built all these plant

pots with flowers to pretend it's this like gift. It's so fucked up I personally think. But anyway, I think that's that yeah that it's really hard to be spontaneous in this city. The triumphant listen bitch at London's Hackney Empire leading us into this week's theme which is of course. Jean Trifacation. Jean Trifacation. Great. Let's have our first question please. Hello, Lily. Hello, Makita. Sending my first voice note to you after last week's phone etiquette. I realized I really hate sending voice notes, but I know you prefer that to messages.

So my name is Alice, known by my friends as Mez or Gingy. I'm a voice actor, and I'm a voice actor myself. I'm a voice actor, but I know you prefer that to messages. So my name is Alice, known by my friends as Mez or Jin Ji, and I am based near Oxfordshire, currently out walking the dog, Benji, it's pretty espanyol. And my question is, how would you define gentrification? If someone I've learned a lot about since listening

to your podcast, because I didn't actually know what it meant and maybe that reflects more on me than it does anything else in the world. I'm not sure. Looking forward to learning more about it from you guys. Love the podcast. Absolutely my favorite. Waiting for it each week. I love this. Well, my understanding of gentrification is like when there is an area that is sort of affordable and then people move there because of its affordability and then posh things start opening up all around that area and then people with more money want to live near the posh things and then they start pricing out the people that have lived there since day. Yeah.

And the people that grew up there and that's why they call home can no longer afford to live in that area and so they have to move further away. Yeah, and we are two people that have watched, witnessed even, to historical instances of gentrification pilgrimages, the historical gentrification pilgrimage of 97 to Notting Hill, I'd say, when yuppies, I remember the word, do you remember the word yuppie? That started being bandied about, which is I guess a young up and coming professional, something, something. And what my mum would say about that was a general unfriendliness entered the area.

Having nice coffee shops and I live in a part of Hackney that has been deeply gentrified in the last particularly five to 10 years. And yes, I like having a nice Japanese restaurant down the road, obviously, but the unfriendliness is the ugly side of gentrification. Also, like, I'm at the sort of more the top end of Notting Hill where all the like American finance people live. Like they actually like started up community groups to try and get carnival shut down.

Unbelievable. It's like, don't move here if you don't like it. It's been there for like 60 years, 70 years or something. That's what it really makes. It's such an inconvenience for you in your seven bedroom mansion. This party that this area has been having for two days out of an entire year, two days, you can't let something else happen that has always been here. This is, yeah, this is when gentrification becomes nasty. And I think it's based on people expecting certain things for the way they want their life to be lived, right?

I don't wanna hear other people. I don't wanna have loads of traffic. I want nice coffee. These are the things I want for my life, as opposed to we all share this planet stroke area together. And really we should be thinking about how to share this space because you're visiting. So what I find really hard to watch

is just the inconvenience you say. There is a general feeling that it's inconvenient that people who have lived here for years and years and years when no one would come here, including cabs, are being told that there's actually no space for them there. That's what's upsetting. I'm going to get into it today. I'm going to talk about my WhatsApp group in my building. I'm going to really tear this down today. We're going to go there. Okay, let's have another question, please.

Hey, Lillian McEther. My name is Vanessa or Ness and I'm from East London, Hackingbrook area. Please excuse me if I sound like a robot. I've had to write this down because I'm nervous today. Everyone has to write down what my name is. But I love your guys' podcast so much. I really glad you're back, Lily, and I hope that I can attend one of your live shows in the future because it sounded sick. Well done to you and your team. So, my question is, is gentrification a new form of colonization? There are wealthy outsiders and investors moving in and raising the property values sky-high, which is then in turn pushing out long-term residents. So, do you think that there's any way that we can gentrify a neighborhood without making it unrecognizable to the people who first called it home and maintain that culture that is

so important in society today. Oh, she really did read it. That was sweet. I think there is. I think rent stabilization is the way to avoid it, right? Yeah, they're not going to fucking do that. No, of course they're not going to do that. But that would be a way of making sure that people that have lived there can afford a certain level of rent. And if it's stabilised, then they will be able to carry on living there. Yes. The intent is to get rid of people though, I think. And it's upsetting that there is something as simple as that, that would change it so deeply.

Like for instance, in my blog, there's 30% social housing, but it's not about the breadcrumbs. It's about how those 30% are treated by the other people in the building with disdain. There was a letter, I think I talked about this, they put up a letter talking about how all the, and yes, sorry to answer your question. Yes, I think there are chilling similarities between gentrification and colonization. Absolutely. That's one of the most upsetting things about it. We all know what this story looks like. It is basically the same thing, right?

I mean, yeah. Just, I guess, I suppose without like genocide. Yet. That's missing. Yes. We haven't got there yet. They're not slaughtering everyone yet. Well, it is happening in parts of the world.

Well, yeah, not in Hackney yet. Um, what was I gonna say? Yes, there was a bloody letter that some boff put up on the wall, which was like, we need to get rid of the young people who are in the building. They were like, these kids need to get out of the corridors. No, these are kids who have lived in these buildings their whole lives. And they have had every community center wrenched from their area. And they have actually nowhere else to go. So how about we give them the stairwell of their own building?

It's like, fuck this. They're criminalizing the young people of this area who have nowhere to go. Lily Acklem raised us, our community center. We've talked about it before. And it really was like a huge part of not just helping my mother and helping other mothers and fathers help raise their kids. It was about looking after one another,

knowing that that energy was in Portobello at that time, changed what the area looks like. And people think it's just these little things but these little things change an atmosphere and they create anger and fear. Why do you think everyone keeps getting mugged in Hackney? People are annoyed. So yeah I want to do my group chat. Let's have another question please. Hey Lily and McQu, this is Taylor originally from Devon but been living in southeast London. Around about 20 years, I love the podcast, I love what you guys do, I love how you take me back to the good old days. And Lily, I actually once wrote a

small review of your book on my Instagram and you liked it and I almost died. Anyway, my question is gentrification. So obviously there is a point I think where it just gets too far. I used to live in a certain part of South East London. Let's call it Deptford. That's what it is. And it was at that really nice kind of point where there was some really nice places you could go if you wanted to be a little bit fancy, but also had like the kind of feel of real London. And then a few years back, I moved to Lewisham. And it is just on that journey now to real gentrification, but it's at a palatable point at the moment. I was wondering for the both of you, and it might

be different parts in London regarding, but when do you think is that point when it's either gone a little too far, or it's a little too much? Keep doing what you're doing. I'm obsessed with you guys. Lots of love. I've got one word, gales. That's when you go, oh, it's over. It's done. We're done here. It's done. We're done here. Didn't the first Gales open on Salisbury Road by your old flat? I don't know, but I know that is the sign. Yep. Oh, yes indeedy. Also, the thing about that bloody bakery is it's actually not very good. Also, that guest gentrified your name slightly there.

I know, like. Miquita. Yes, girls when it's not too far. Also I think there was a time in Shoreditch where, basically we'd moved in so it's fine, we weren't gentrifying it. And you know, I got like a flat in a button factory, just my old street, you know, I was very much that of that time, new people moving into East London and taking up those kinds of spaces for a flat. But my dad was

running a club. Well, no, a building where we would have raves on Curtain Road in Shoreditch. And we used to rave there a lot and go to the what was that pub called on the corner? Yeah, you do. Literally got no idea what you're talking about. and go to the, what was that pub called? On the corner? I don't know. Yeah, you do. I've literally got no idea what you're talking about. Old Blue Last, for fuck's sake. The Old Blue Last. Oh, right.

That's not on a corner, but okay. It is on the corner. It is not on the corner. I won't have that. It is not on a corner. It's on the corner of Great Eastern Street and Curtain Road. It is not on a corner.

I love flossers coming in to say, it's on the corner. It is on the corner. Thank you, Fios It is not on a corner. I love floss just coming in to say it's on the corner. It is on the corner. Thank you for asking. It is on the corner. Fuck you. Well, that just shows you how fucked up I was. So I guess I'm talking about Indy in the East, right? At this point, that was the nice mix. It was like, there's still a Legally shit going on. You can rave here. It's got this, you know, we're talking about the beautiful days of like plastic peoples. Like there There's a big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big,

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So basically we say, Jesus Christ MP, like rice and peas, but Lily says it better. No, I don't. Not anymore. I might have back in my past. Not in this gentrification chat. What about you Lil Islington? See Islington's weird because it was always posh. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. When we first moved there, it was not posh. And then the first thing that opened was posh was waterstones. On Upper Street. not posh. And then the first thing that opened that was posh was waterstones. On Upper Street, yeah. Yeah, and then the rest of it all followed. But now I don't even fucking recognise it.

When I go there, I'm like, what the F happened here? Because I guess I lived there 30 years ago. Jesus, yeah, 90s. And it was like, you know, Arthur's, not Arthur's calf, but that calf that was at the end of the road that was in Quadrofinia was still going. Alfredo's, that like art deco calf. What, on St. Peter's Street? Yeah.

And then it was like the porn broker that was next door. Because I remember that pub on your road, the Duke of Wellington, no the Duke of Cambridge, was the first pub to have like organic food. And I remember everyone was a bit excited. But it was rough as fuck when we first moved there. It's weird because the houses in Islington have always been so nice, but I guess they were all more run down. Yeah, but so were they around here in Labbroke Grove.

But they were all divided. Obviously, when they were first built, they were houses. And then they were divided up into flats, and then they were squats. And then they got bought out by poshos again. What's upsetting about seeing it happen in Labrador is my mom just says, quite often gentrification does take the fun away from an area. This lady asked us a listen bitch question about where at Miss Me Live, about where we would like go in West London.

And I suddenly remembered all these places. It's just like, I'm not even like, they're not there anymore. It's like, there's nothing to do. you can't do anything after 10.30. Like gentrification brought in rules to this city that used to be so bad, man. Yeah. You don't really see kids playing out anymore. And when I have seen kids playing out, people complain. Yes. Like kids are making so much noise. It's like, so? They're kids. That's what they do. What do you expect them to do? Be sitting in their living room on their iPad watching YouTube shorts? No, that's not a future that we're trying to build. I like the sound of, I love the sound of kids playing, but I also, I like the sound of other

people living and I've really noticed it with like certain flatmates I've had, with girls that I know come from money and are used to living in bigger homes where you don't hear people in the same way. I grew up in social housing with thin walls, even though it's a nice Georgian house, that was terrorist, but like, you know, people in estates and stuff, you live in close proximity to each other and you're used to hearing other people live. And I don't think the sound of other people living is noise and other people really see it. Like I had a flatmate, just the sound of me living living is noise. And other people really see it like I had a flatmate, just the sound of me living would drive her insane, like ragey, angry. And I

just I started tiptoeing around the house. I stopped playing music loud. And I was just like, No, this is just the sound of me existing next door to you. This isn't noise. Yeah, that's that's a her problem, not you problem. Absolutely. That's the last flatmate I ever had. Let's have a little breaky from all this gentrification chat. I'm exhausted. I don't know about you, but I'm finding it quite heavy on my shoulders. Let's have a little minute. What do Bridgerton actor Ajoa Ando, nature presenter Rae-Win Grant and TikTok sensation Mama Seabes all have in common? They're all guests on Dear Daughters Stars from the BBC World Service.

I'm Namulanta Kombo and for the new series of Dear Daughter, I'm welcoming an all-star line-up to share stories of parenting in the spotlight. Listen now by searching for Dear Daughter, wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Welcome back to gentrification, all things gentrification, all things gentrified. I did have when I wrote my piece for the Observer, I did talk about gentrification and had some good history facts, but I thought I'll save those for the Observer. But bore Lily with them. Okay, so let's have another question.

Hi, it's Sally from Edinburgh. My friends call me Wagon. I wanted to ask, what is the most classic moment where you've realised you are the problem with gentrification and that you're doing something that is just like the most gentrification-y thing ever and you catch yourself and you're like, oh, I'm the problem. I'm the problem, it's me. This flat that I've bought is in a social housing building. I have kind of given myself a get out clause because it is slap bang in the middle of the area in which I grew up in. So I don't feel like I am coming from outside and coming into the area and gentrifying it. But I do feel like a low level guilt. But I've wanted to, I have wanted to live in this building since I was a baby. It has been a dream of mine

forever. And finally a flat in here became available and I was in a position to buy it and I did. But I know people have got judgment around it. I mean, as you said, you grew up there. So I think that's bang, smack in the middle of get out clause. That's your get out clause for sure. That's your ends done. Yeah. And also it's a privately owned flat. So it's not like I didn't buy this flat off of the council. I bought it off of another private owner. It wasn't going to go back into the council stock and be given a social housing to someone. So there's no separate entrance here for the privately owned people. Everyone really gets along. We all talk and smile and chat with each other in the lifts. Yesterday actually, me and the girls were going to go. They had a planting thing going on in the garden

where we could go and plant bulbs and stuff for the summer, but we missed it by half an hour, which was very annoying. But we're gonna play bingo tonight here in the community center. Oh my goodness. I love that that still happens there. That's lovely, they plant flowers and they have bingo nights.

That's community. That is community. That's what I mean, and we don't have that here because obviously I do live in a new build right next to the social housing block that my stepdad had a flat in that saved all of our lives when we lost everything. And my parents lived there for like 30 years. They only moved out about two years ago.

And yeah, I feel like, oh God, I'm the problem. I'm in the new block next door. But how do I get out? My get out clause is my family moved here when cabs didn't come here. Don't you remember how we felt about this area when my parents moved here? Judgmental.

I mean, I had my car, so. Not judgmental. I was a bit scared. It was called murder mile. It was called murder mile, exactly. It was a valid fear. We were like, where are we going? It wasn't a joke and it wasn't called murder mile because it was friendly. People did get

killed there. Didn't have a Disney ride. Yeah. Yeah. So, so really you have to kind of laugh when you see these people snoot, snooting. No, but when people are sort of like, I live here and it's like, yeah, you don't even know, just please. You don't even know where you live, babes. Bring it. Another question, please. Another question, please.

Hi, Lily and Makita, it's John here from Canada. This isn't my first ever nickname, but probably my best nickname was Jennifer or Jenny, because when I first started working at a restaurant in Toronto, my GM's boyfriend thought I looked like Jennifer Connelly or Jenny, because when I first started working at a restaurant in Toronto, my GM's boyfriend thought I look like Jennifer Connolly because I have strong dark brows and blue eyes. Anyways, on to gentrification.

In Toronto's downtown, Eastside is being gentrified a lot. For me, the biggest signs were condos. There's so many condos popping up in Toronto now that when an area is being gentrified, it's these ugly condos that they can put up. And then underneath them, things like Starbucks or of course our Canadian Tim Hortons, So I would say now living here in the Canada water area, it's a reasonably similar experience. When I head south to Surrey Keys, you can see some new buildings mixed in with the older ones and then of course more of those chain stores as well. All right, now for a question. You've seen London transform over decades.

If you could preserve just three neighbourhood spots from being gentrified, which would you say and why? Gold-born road. Oh, too late. Not, well, it's still like, no, it is, it is, it is being gentrified. Oh, Gold-born, such a special road for us, isn't it? I feel like everywhere, everywhere has been now, hasn't it? Tottenham, no, Tottenham's on the way. Tottenham's on the way.

But like when I go see Tyson in Tottenham, no Tottenham's on the way. Tottenham's on the way. But like when I go see Tyson in Tottenham, there's like this whole like Hispanic community and like black people. Well, it's like in Goldwyn Road, there's still a lot of Moroccans and Portuguese. And that is very nice. Where would I say, I mean, I'd go back in time and probably, I'd probably go back in time

and save some of the roads around Hackney Marshes and stuff. There's a road called Chatsworth Road. Oh, do you know where, no, do you know where I would have saved? I would have saved Broadway Market because London Fields, right? Oh God, London Fields gets on my fucking nerves because London Fields is so pretty.

It's like some of my favorite houses, like de Beauvoir and London Fields. like you can't deny beautiful homes everywhere and big squares with like, you know, Rose gardens and stuff. But Broadway Market is unbearable on a Saturday unbearable. And I remember when this like, do you remember Allison, like black Allison who like sang with Jerry and stuff in the 90s. Anyway, she got moved into the tall block on London fields with her son, Adisa, in like the mid 90s. And oh my God, it was like such a shit hole around there. Like I can't even explain to you what Broadway Market was like, like it stank and it was just rancid. And there was no money there. And the people that moved there made it a vibe

because of the parks and because there were places, like, you know, there were like pubs for the black community. All the aunties and uncles used to have their own pubs or they would rave at like, they're all closed down now. There are no places for those communities to celebrate each other and celebrate living near each other. Like, what do you do if your pubs go? And that's like how your community, like spend time with each other and celebrate living near each other. What do you do if your pubs go? And that's like how your community like spend time with each other. And then there are no

pubs for you to go to anymore. You go home and use doom scroll and go and do online gambling and play into the hands of the evil men that are controlling the world. Thank you for being here. I mean, I hate to break it to you, but that is literally what is happening. Yeah. But one thing I would say that's good, if we go back to an earlier question, I love having great fishmongers and butchers and they have come with gentrification. I love Broadway markets fishmongers. It's such a good fishmonger. And I love the Soros and Hill. Is it Hill and Soros place opposite where, which is like an old butchers,

but it's also a restaurant. And it's so good. Like I do, I do like a fancy restaurant. I do like a fancy neighborhood restaurant a lot. When they're good. Good for you, babe. Thank you. Let's have another question.

Final question, my love. It's the final question. I think we've- Finally, finally, on gentrification. Hi, Lily and Makita. Hope you're both really well. Loved the live show on Friday, by the way. It was so, so much fun.

Thank you for my pens that I got in Pass the Parcel. I will treasure them. I'm Wade from Croydon, by the way. And my question about gentrification is, sort of being from Croydon, the way and my question about gentrification is, being from Croydon, it's kind of gentrifying here but it's also not very vibey either and I know that gentrification is not great for the general vibes of an area but I find myself kind of wanting a bit of gentrification in Croydon, just a little bit of something, you know?

But I find it really difficult to reconcile with my conscience on that. So I guess my question is, do you know of any areas that are similar, that are not really gentrifying but also not really vibey? And what are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on maybe a little bit of gentrification just to bring the vibe up? Yeah, thanks. Hope you're well. Love you. Bye. love you, bye.

Thank you, Wade, enjoy your pens. There are certain areas that have just never quite caught on, like Swiss cottage. Halston. So true. So true. There are some areas that refuse to be gentrified. And I don't know-

It's not that, it's just no one wants to gentrify them. It's like, you cannot make Swiss cottage happen. I'm sorry. Yeah. But what is that? Is it because it's like an in-betweeny place geographically because you've got you go up the hill and you're in that beautiful hamster. This hasn't got any positive attributes.

There's nothing to work with. We might have people listening in Swiss Cottage. I'm just here to tell the truth, babes. I'm just here to tell the truth. If Swiss Cottage was meant to be gentrified, it would have fucking happened by now. It's not gonna happen. Okay, I feel the same about Halston. No, Halston is gonna be gentrified. No, no, Lily, it would have happened by now because Halston is the area that is just after, so you go Labrador Grove, then you go up to Kensal Rise, no one can afford Grove anymore.

If you can afford Kensal Rise, good for you. But most people went to Halston that we know and they always try and make it happen for me. I'm like, I know Halston. I lived near Halston when I was 15. It's not, it's the worst. The other place, it's the in-betweeny places. So the other place that will never ever live is Earl's Court.

Oh my god. And Olympia. And Barron's Court. No, Barron's Court has had a vibe. You're right. There's a couple of good delis. A couple of good welcomed delis. But no one is moving to Ell's Court ever, unless they have to. Or unless they're foreign and they just think, oh London.

Yeah, I think that's what a lot of Ell's Court is. Wade asked what is enough or something about, he wants a little bit of vibe. I'd say a few good delis, a good fishmonger, some nice restaurants and a good bar. I think that's all you need. And an estate agent, obviously, to sell properties around there. That's when you know it's over when four Foxsons open up. No, you know when you know it's over. It's not necessarily the actual agents moving in there.

It's when you start getting the things through the door that going like, we have lots of customers looking for properties just like yours. Yeah, yeah. Shit, they're here. They're here. And you're like, leave me alone. Hello, it's Gerard from Foxtons.

Just one, just cold calling you. Why? We want your flat. Go away and delete my number. There's a little unassuming road up the road, which it just it seems like it can't handle how many estate agents have opened on it. I think there's six on one little road that used to just have a grosses. I think everyone knows what I mean. Oh, grosses. grosses is good. We have great grosses

because we've got all the old Turkish grosses. So that's not about gentrification. But then the EAT17, I do go into that, which is like a posh spa. So it's like, you know, there's spa supermarkets, but it's actually like Whole Foods. Anyway, that's the most gentrified supermarket in the area and I do frequent it often.

Cause it has really good fish. It's like when Planet Organic opened on Westbourne Grove, it was like, oh, it's over. Oh my God. Planet Organic, I thought that was so exciting when that opened. It's still there I think. And remember when Whole Foods was called Fresh and Wild?

Yes, I do. Cause there was a competition to name it. No, it's owned by Amazon. Is it? Oh, right. Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, take that off the list. Won't you be there anymore?

Maybe, and if we start doing Miss Me live shows, you can do like a little gentrification of each area that we visit. As people walk in, that can just be like Makita's history of gentrification. And then you don't have to talk about it on stage. People can just talk about it. Yes. It doesn't have to be the history of gentrification. And then you don't have to talk about it on stage. People can just talk about it. Yes, it doesn't have to be the history of gentrification. It just has to be the history of the area that we visit. Can I have that?

They probably know it because they live there. So it might be a bit patronizing. That's true. But maybe more of a celebration. Anyway, we'll take this to our workshop. But yes, educate. We'll make a deck. I'll figure it out.

Don't tease me, I will make a deck. I'll make a deck and we'll figure out what we can do. I really look forward to that. So you want to tour the country. You want to tour the country with me, Lily Allen. Stop making this a me thing. I don't want to tour the country. I've toured the country many times over. I would be, I'd love to go and visit people and be us on stage

and bring joy and laughter to people for a fee. Yes, just because you put it in your caption on Instagram, you were like, maybe we'll be coming to a town. I was like, Oh my gosh, she wants to do it again. Okay. I didn't think you say that. Well, that helped the whole point of what we did was like a tester to see if that could work. Obviously, the end game is Sydney O'Proud. Yeah, why not?

Elizabeth Day did, it's hard to fail there. Did she? Yeah. Well, then we could do that. Easy peasy. We've got literally every other fucking caller on this and bitches calls from Melbourne. That's true, we're big in Australia, Floss, aren't we?

We're huge in Australia! And that's our second audience. G'day, guys. We'll see you soon. See you at the Opera House. Maybe one day if I make music, we could do a Lily Allen tour and then you could just come on the Lily Allen tour and we do the Miss Me tour while we're doing the Lily Allen tour. Stop it. Dino's gonna wet himself. He'll be so excited by that idea. I think he even put that idea on the table last week. We won't do it. We obviously won't do Miss Me on the days that I do my gigs, but I do my gig

and then like the day after that, we could do Miss Me in another venue. Oh my God, yeah, kind of like tag teaming the Lily Allen World Tour. Yeah. I could do that. I would love to do that. That'd be a lot of work for you, babe. Yeah, I mean, I'm used to that. Yeah me too

Alright. Well, thank you my love. Well done us. What a bloody week. I'm gonna go really breathe now I'm gonna go back and really concentrate on my gardening and my sports. Okay, you do that Yeah, quite a lot on quite a lot on at the moment. She's got a lot on. I have actually but I'm excited I quite I feel really like beginning of deep new chapter energy. Maybe it's because the bulbs that I planted have bloomed. I don't know. But I'm surrounded by daffodils that I planted, Lil.

That's so nice. If that's not a metaphor for life. Actually, I wanna do gardening. Can we do that for next? 444, 44, angel numbers, angel numbers. By the way, you know that thing when it says on all horoscopes on Instagram, it's like, look out for angel numbers, 333-111. I'm like, I'm on my phone all fucking day.

So like, it's not a coincidence that I see 111. I see it four times a day at 11.11 in the morning, 11.11 at night, 11.11 in the afternoon and 11, 11 in the morning, 11, 11 at night, one 11 in the afternoon and one 11 in the morning. So I think it's about seeing it when it surprises you. So like you're not looking for it and then you see that and you go, oh, it's that. Literally, I'm looking at my phone all day. So obviously it's just going to be those numbers at some point. So I'm still did say he said when we had a caller on listen, bitch, when you're away,

he was like, my angel numbers are this, that it's I feel like this is a cry for help. I agree with it. It's like if all you've got is a few numbers that you're looking out for, you might need to fill your life up with something else. Rain it in. Yeah. Okay, I have to go. Yes, me too.

I'm busy too. I'm also very busy. So let's do, let's end this. Okay, let's be busy bees and get off the phone. Wait a minute. Can I give you, can we do gardening for next listen bitch? Oh, sorry, you're trying to feed me a listen bitch?

No, I just really want to work gardening at the moment. Yeah, well you can save it for your own one. Okay, okay, I'll save it for my week. We are... Go on then. I don't actually have one. I know you don't, which is why I was like, two birds with one stone,

she won't have one and I wanna talk about this. But do you have anything to say about gardening? No. The subject matter for next week's Listen Bitch is... MENSTRATION. Menstruation. Oh, I love our theme tune. That's right, we go from gentrification to menstruation. That's who we are.

I'll see you with my moon cup. And... No, I don't do that, obviously. Me neither, mine's just mocking me in a drawer. We'll talk about this. and no I don't do that obviously. Mine's just mocking me in a draw. We'll talk about this. Thank you Lil, I actually do need a little break from you. Yes.

Cause I just get away from you. Love you. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneca production for BBC Sounds. I'm Joanna Page. I'm Natalie Cassidy. And we want to tell you all about our podcast. Off the telly.

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Everything's cracking. It's definitely the place for what's occurring. Oh, Jo, you do that so well. Off the tally. Listen to all new episodes on BBC Sounds. What do Bridgerton actor, Adjoa Ando, nature presenter Rae-Wynn Grant and TikTok sensation Mama Seabes all have in common? They're all guests on Dear Daughters Stars from the BBC World Service.

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