Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Interiority Complex

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about interiors.Next week, we want to hear your questions about SAFETY. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. Welcome to Origins with me, Kush Jumbo, the show with the biggest names in entertainment tell me the stories that made them who they are today. Origins is a conversation about my guests' early inspirations and growing up. Guests this season include Dame Anna Wintour, Poppy Delevingne, Pete Capaldi, and Golda Ra'Shaval, aka Queen Charlotte in Bridgerton. I only kind of discovered my sexuality

when I went to drama school. Join me every week to hear where it all began. From Sony Music Entertainment, this is Origins with Kus Jumbo. This week's episode of Listen Bitch contains some very strong language, some adult themes and some interior discussion. ["List and Bitch"] Hello, welcome to List and Bitch. I have a request, you do?

Yeah, you have sung List and Bitch in such a myriad of ways across the months, amazing. Have we done like a choral version? You've sung Listen Bitch in such a myriad of ways across the months. Amazing. Have we done like a choral version? Erm, what like... Welcome to Listen Bitch Where we will answer Little louder?

All your fucking questions And cry questions and cry. Okay, I thought you'd be more perky for interior but no, still no. There's still some sadness there but it is where your joy lies. I know this, I know it's brought you great joy doing up your houses and your flats. Yeah. Where you've ever lived. Yeah.

And as I said last week I'm absolutely fine for this to be sort of a hark back to the great 90s DIY show. Okay. And I was thinking about why there aren't so many and I found an article, says the likes of changing rooms were a bull walk. What's bull walk? No idea.

Okay, I guess like a, nah. Against consumer culture with YouTube tutorials tutorials we've lost that DIY radicalism and guess who wrote it? Sam Wolfson. Oh, Sam Wolfson. Our lovely friend Sam wrote that for The Guardian while we fell out of love with home improvement shows. He's been my other pillar of support this past week actually. Oh, I'm happy to sandwich you with Sam Wolfson.

Yeah. That feels good. Yeah. That feels good. Yeah. But maybe today we bring that back. We bring that, you know, ground force. What else is there? DIY SOS. Yeah.

And mainly changing rooms. Changing rooms. Energy back to the fore. Is DIY SOS the one that had Handy Andy? No, that's changing rooms. No. Oh, don't be ridiculous. Handy Andy is changing rooms.

Okay, okay, okay, sorry. Oh no, there's another one that's on DIY SOS that's like a sort of, you know, cheeky, chappy. Yeah, they were completely impersonating Handy Andy and I didn't have time for it. Okay, let's have a question. Let's involve more people in this chat. Okay. I'm sure everyone can't wait to get involved. Let's have a question. Let's involve more people in this chat. I'm sure everyone can't wait to get involved. Let's have a question.

Hello, my dears. I absolutely love the podcast. This is Jeremy in Oakland, California. I was wondering if you guys happen to have something that you absolutely need in your home that you just can't live without that you like go to for like respite or energy or just like something like sacred, but it like doesn't need to be. Yes.

Yes, I do. Oklahoma. Yes, I do. Wait, why did you say Oklahoma? Because that's where he is. No, Oakland, California. Oakland, California. Sorry, yes Oakland, I do. Balcony is my sacred place, my place of respite,

my place of joy, and as I said a few months ago to you, Lil, I want to make it, it was one of my main goals for the summer to have a beautiful balcony. And it was beautiful. I did it really well. I went to the garden center a lot. I tended my flowers and looked after my herbs and my plants. And now I'm like, shit, it's September

and everything's dying and that's part of it. You have to like deal with that. I had to cut everything down yesterday and like go with the flow of life. Like everything is shutting down. But that balcony, I don't know what I'd do without it and when I lived on in a ground-floor flat that looked at a wall my life was in the gutter so I know that I know that I need that that view and I need that being able to step outside I

also live on water so it's so nice to look down at water and look up at trees my safe space in your house was probably the reading area in front of your bed by the bath. Interesting. Yes, I can relate to that. I do like that spot. I have become very, very fond of my stoop, which is my stairs that are in front of my house

that lead down to the street. And then in between the stoop to the street and but in between the stoop and the street is my front garden and I really like to sit out there in the sun watching the world go by. Me and Sash loved that stoop so much we spent more time on that. So New York isn't it? So New York and actually your streets cool because it still has a lot of old families and there's like is there like a Hispanic family opposite

and they were like having like a jumble sale stroke bit of a party and they had good music and we just sat there for hours every night. We didn't actually go see much of New York in the evenings. We were like, stoop night? Yeah, stoop night. I love a stoop hang. My three friends come over here often to hang on the stoop.

Do you eat on the stoop? No, you just smoke. No, I don't to hang on the stoop. Do you eat on the stoop? No, you just smoke. No, I don't really eat on the stoop. Have a cup of tea on the stoop and smoke on the stoop. Important to create spaces of respite and safety in your own home. As Cleo Sol says, don't you ever be afraid in your own home.

And that's your home house and your soul. It's like, it's, yeah, that's hard for me to hear. I know, oh babe, I meant it as comfort. Okay. Next question please. Next question. Hi, Lillian Makita. This is Georgie from Hampshire.

Absolutely love the podcast. Can't get enough of it. And yeah, I was really excited to hear that the theme for Listen Bitch next week is going to be interiors. I bought my first house last year and spent a very joyful and not at all stressful eight or nine months renovating it before I moved in. And a friend said to me recently that apparently a really good tip for making interior design decisions in your house is to consider what Disney character your

house would be or what Disney character you would want your house to be so and think about characteristics of that person and how you can kind of reflect that in your style. It's a little left-field but I decided that the Disney character of my house is Rafiki the wise old baboon from The Lion King as he's very like joyful and playful on the one side that's definitely reflected in for example the bright sunshine yellow carpets that I chose to run all throughout the house so my question for you is Lily what is the Disney character that reflects your house and Nikita what Disney characters energy would you like to bring out in your new

home when you find it love you bye no I love you that was a fantastic question I'm really feeling one question for you one question for me. That's such a left field question. I love it It's so mental perfect and I'm bit pissed off. Rafiki is the one there's me thinking about like Fucking Bell's house in Beauty and the Beast like what's her dad called? He's such a nice man Mmm, I don't know. Oh, they call him crazy. Come on, it begins with G. They call him crazy. Not Gaston. Her dad is...

Guillermo? No, Guillermo. In the little French town. Gerald? Oh, come on. No, it's like, Maurice? Okay, Maurice. Maurice has gone mad.

Anyway, his house is a bit like kind of, you know, higgledy piggledy and he's always like building things. I was thinking that but now I'm gonna totally nick Rafiki from you. You can't. There's so many to choose from. No, but Rafiki is everything because it's like my house is a place of play, spirituality and joy and a lot of hard work, which he does, he works hard for Fiki. Fucking yeah, I've just nailed that. Okay, but you didn't nail it

because you took someone else's. Simba, maybe Simba. See, I was gonna go Timon and Pumbaa. I was gonna have to say that. No, but actually, you know like, oh my God, you know the beautiful land that they get to in the Hakuna Matata song, and it's all like, Hakuna Matata, and it's all like Hakuna Matata and there's like bugs everywhere it's green and like patterns

and thrills absolutely the Hakuna Matata land we should say that to you now Hakuna Matata okay say it it means no worries for the rest of your days okay but we all know that's not true so so. Oh, I mean, it's just like actually unsustainable to think that there are gonna be no worries for the rest of your days. I actually wouldn't really like that as a life. It's good to have a bit of worry. So what you're saying, Timon and Pumbaa are full of shit.

Yeah. Wonderful. Fucking great question. Next one, please. Come on, let's go, listen bitch. Hi, Lily and Makita. I hope you're good. My name's Lois.

I am calling in, not calling in, sending a voice note from my little flat in Hymes Park, which is just by Walthamstow in East London. I have a question about interiors. My boyfriend and I are hoping to move in together towards the end of this year, which is very exciting and I can't wait for him to be here. He'll be moving into my place, which I've lived in alone for the last two years, which I've decorated myself to my preference with all my own pictures and art and things,

and he will be moving in and bringing some of his things. Now we don't have the most similar style when it comes to interiors and I'm a little bit apprehensive as to what he is going to be putting in my flat and I just wondered if you had any tips or advice or thoughts on how to maybe get round, moving in with a partner who has a very different style to you and how you can make it a home for you both when maybe your tastes are different. I love the podcast. I love you guys and please keep doing this forever. Thank you.

Bye. We will, we'll be here forever for you babe. I would say it's non-negotiable for me that I am in charge, so, and if I don't like something, not really gonna have it up in my house, sorry. For every home that you've done with a man, that's how it's gone down. Well I've only had two homes with a man,

I've had Overturn with a man. I've had an overturn with Sam. Our tastes very much aligned. Hang on, actually, I'm not gonna say that. Our tastes didn't align. I lent into what I knew he was into. Clever. So there were just suggestions of his taste running through the greater idea from you.

Yes. Very good. And there were certain things that he had, like there were some curtains that he had that he'd inherited from his brother, actually. And you know, I was like, those are lovely. I will take them and have them reconditioned and we'll put them up, you know, in this place. And so I would bring things in.

But yeah, I mean, art, that is a a toughie isn't it? If someone, I don't know if I could really be with someone who I thought was into bad art. I was going to say, this is what I'm saying, it's like if you're moving in with them and you have really extreme different art tastes, like who the fuck are you and why am I even with you? Do we even love each other? Saying that, you know David doesn't really have like much of an opinion. And I think he just wanted, you know, he knows that interiors and textiles and stuff is something that I feel quite passionate about.

And so I think he enjoyed watching me have fun with it here. And you know, we both love this house very very very dearly. He's not a collector himself so even if I don't even think he has any stuff that he would want to put up. Well if he does it's all in his little tiny side room on the left. Yeah actually you know what he's got like he's quite into gaming and he's got like things like you know those like little characters from like computer games or TV shows that he's been on there's like some stranger things like little bobblehead character things and I'm like those can go in your room. Yeah quite. Yeah I'm not really having those.

These little figurines, they can go. His little collectible section goes in his study and downstairs in the basement. Okay, so direct advice to the lady who's moving in with her boyfriend would be what? In conclusion, Lil? Well, I don't think this is necessarily about interiors. This is about your relationship

and I don't think this is necessarily about interiors. This is about your relationship. And I don't feel qualified to give relationship advice in this particular instance. So just take the earlier interior advice and see the double meaning in it all. Yeah. Okay. All right. Next question, please.

Hi, Lily and Makita. My name's Lucy. I'm 26. I'm an interior designer living in Vinsbury Park in North London. A question to you both would be what interior design trend or style or piece of furniture even makes you feel really nostalgic when you see it? For me, it's definitely got to be carpets and bathrooms. That's something my grandma has always had and I absolutely love seeing it being done. Lilly, I know in fact you've actually done this in your own house and I think you've done it so beautifully it worked so well. So yeah what is

something that makes you feel really nostalgic when you see it in homes or maybe something you've got in your own home? Definitely for me would be futons because we never had like oh my mum and her interior style if I can call it that. We had a really nice big flat and we didn't have any money but when my mum got a job she got this job on telly called Badass TV with iced tea. She was like a black euro trash. Yeah. If anyone that makes sense to. And got had some money it was on Channel 4 so she decided to get my auntie Sandra to paint the whole house and my auntie Sandra is an artist so they painted it lots of different kind of jewel colors our flat I hated it I just wanted to live in a

white room with Venetian blinds. You were an Ikea girl. I am an Ikea girl and before that we never really had like a proper bed we didn't really have proper beds a lot of mattresses on floors and there was always like a kind of chair thing with lots of fabric on it That was always slipping that would drive me crazy. So Nostalgically, I can't stand fabric on sofas that's always slipping but with the futons My mom would just let all these different you remember when I did all these different people just sleep in my bedroom Like tricky was one of them. Mm-hmm from massive attack He lived in my bedroom on the futon on the floor

for like, I don't know, six months. Uncle Phil stayed for a while. I mean, it was quite a lot, but yeah, futons do, they kind of like make me feel comforted, but then also I'm a bit like, Tricky on my bedroom floor. I'm quite partial too, but I haven't installed one in any of my homes ever.

Like a sort of matching bathroom suite. Like I like an avocado bathroom. No, 70s, no. Like an avocado sink and a loo and a bath. Maybe even the tile as well. That's just go all out. Love an avocado bathroom. Did not know, did not know that about you.

That's what this show is all about. It's getting right into those little nooks and crannies and finding out new things. Would you say that your house now is kitsch? In parts, for sure, yeah. I mean, this, this room is quite kitsch, I guess. I like your, I like your classic touches I like the this the gold taps that are swans

Yeah, I mean, I think it's all I mean This is gonna sound absolutely bat shit crazy from me because people would say that my house is really over-the-top But I would say it's all about balance Because I would go even harder to be honest. If I could really have my way, I would just more, more, more, more, more. What would you have done more? Like maybe more print wallpaper? Yeah, just like, you know, I've got like floral duvet covers. I'd have like another floral blanket on top of that and like different floral pattern pillows

and blankets over chairs and other things. I quite like that. It's like the Russian doll of interior. Very quickly it can like go into like hoarding for me. So I have to be quite careful that sort of like pulling back sometimes. We're gonna go into a break. Yeah, we are. Welcome to Origins with me, Kush Jumbo, the show with the biggest names in entertainment

tell me the stories that made them who they are today. Origins is a conversation about my guests' early inspirations and growing up. Guests this season include Dame Anna Winter, Poppy Delevingne, Pete Capaldi, and Golda Rushaval, aka Queen Charlotte in Bridgerton. I only kind of discovered my sexuality when I went to drama school. Join me every week to hear where it all began. From Sony Music Entertainment, this is Origins with Kuss Jumbo. Well, wasn't that a nice break?

Can we have another question, please, for this week's Listen Bitch? The theme is interiors, the world we create around us. Hi, Lily, hi, Makita, love the pod. This is Ruby, and I am living in Geneva in Switzerland. On the subject of interiors, I have got a house, and one day I invited one of the mums over from my son's new school and she made some

comments that made me feel that she was really quite judgmental about my house. She asked me if I was knocking the room through, if I was going to remodel it. And I just felt actually, I really like the way my house is. And I felt that she was judging me about my house. And my question to you guys is, if you were honest, do you judge people by the houses that they live in? If you were honest. Absolutely, 100%.

Really? I don't think I do. Yes, absolutely. I don't think I do. Absolutely, like this girl told me that she went on a date with a guy and he didn't, she said there was just like a general film of filth and he didn't have any sheets on his mattress.

And I was just like, I'm sorry, but like, how are you living like that? And that is judgment, I'm sorry. That's not a sexy way of living. Yeah but I don't know if that's when interiors related. That's like a hygiene issue, isn't it? Well it's more of a lifestyle thing. Yes, interiors do I judge.

No but I definitely build the, homes do tell the story of who you are. And I quite like, that's what I like about them. And I definitely maybe fill in blanks of someone I know when I finally get to see their house. And it's quite a nice thing when, you know, you do know someone quite well and you've never been to their yard where they live.

You go, you're like, oh, okay, I get you a little bit more now. But then of course, we're probably leaving, you know, the right things on the side to be like, you go, you're like, oh, okay, I get you a little bit more now. But then of course, we're probably leaving, you know, the right things on the side to be like, you know, this is me, I read Vanity Fair, like, don't worry about it. Like, I know that there are some things in my house that are positioned in certain places to be noticed. Like this, for instance.

Yeah, I feel, I don't think I judge people for their interiors. I think I genuinely find how people live their lives like fascinating. I'm interested in human beings and how they live and I think that people's homes is, yeah, well as you say, like a reflection of who they are as a person and how they choose to navigate the world. And I think that, yeah, I don't think I would ever be like, oh my god, that's so gross. Like, why would you do that? I'm like, oh, that's interesting that they've decided to put that there. Or I wonder why they put this room or change that into this space.

I think that sort of helps me build a picture of who that person is. I don't. I also think that what she said is, you know, somebody coming into your home and saying, are you going to knock these out? I wouldn't necessarily say that that's judgment. I would just say that, you know, you can receive a question like that and just think, oh, that person's different to me. They live their life differently and they would do something differently with this house. If it was theirs. I don't think it's necessarily them going like, you're a trash human being

because you don't wanna knock that wall through. That's all I wanna do. I wanna knock all the walls down. And now that I've found out that I'm not gonna be here forever, I just want like a big blank space and I wanna build. I'm like main lining grand design at the moment, grand designs.

It's actually the 25th anniversary special episode coming up and I couldn't be more excited because I just think it would be such an adventure and I've never done anything like that. You've done that quite a lot, but like one of the people said earlier, gutting a place for nine months before she moved in, oh my God, that was my dream.

And I've never owned a property in my whole life. So it's a big dream for me to be able to own something now finally and to gut the fuck out of it and turn it into somewhere that I really want, every corner to be something you like and you're interested in. Yeah, I can't fucking wait. I can't wait for you either.

I wanna help you with it, can I help? Please, could you help me? Seriously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, I really could help. You know what you can help me do? Look. Okay, yeah, no, absolutely.

I'd be really happy to see it. Yeah. Somebody, oh, I know, when we were on holiday, was talking about maybe buying a house or a flat, and I've bombarded that person with probably 25 properties in the past week. Oh my God, bombard me. I-

So you tell me where you wanna be, how many bedrooms you want, what your budget is, and I will start looking. Even if it's not to buy, like just so that you know what's on the market and what you can do. Okay, and I've got a bit of time, which means we can really have fun.

Let's do this together. I was asking Lauren, she's been great, but I think I might add you to the repertoire. Okay, please do. I feel like we were a bit harsh to the lady before, well, Lily was. Maybe it's because I'm not in a great place mentally this week. I'm feeling very... Empathetic.

Empathetic and also, yeah, I'm just... My sense of reality is a little bit distorted, so I don't quite, yeah. Any bit of information that a little bit distorted, so I don't quite, yeah, any bit of information that's coming at me, I'm looking at it from every single aspect. Every single angle I'm perspective. What could that mean? Correct. What could that mean?

Yeah. Yeah. Seeing the hidden meaning in everything. Don't listen to a word Lily says this episode. It's all bollocks. All right, is it time for the last few questions? Let's have one of them. Hello, Lily. Hello, Makita. This is Annabel from Amsterdam. I may be creating a little

bit of tension in the room, but I was wondering, Lily, if there was something in particular in Makita's home that you could redo, what would you do? And, you know, what would be the first thing you would tackle? Or is there something that you secretly really dislike in Makita's home? And also vice versa, since Makita also went to Lily's home in New York. I would be really interested. Thank you, bye. Well, I've never been to Makita's house York. I would be really interested. Thank you, bye. Well I've never been to Magita's house so I can't tell you.

But from what I've seen of it... It's really not good for the brand of Miss Weekly. I know. We've never even been to my house. We're not really friends. I actually don't really know her that well. Shut up. No, I just... You don't like coming to East London, let's just keep it real.

When you're in London you stay in West. Yeah, shut up. No, I just, um, you don't like coming to East London. Let's just keep it real. When you're in London, you stay in West. Yeah. Damn straight. I actually am quite triggered by East London. It's like a, it was a big space where a lot of my drinking and using happened. And so I, it's a little bit like LA actually. I don't, I get like the creepy crawlies and then it's, it's, um, I totally understand. Why do you think I want to leave? Okay, I'm very sick of East London.

Broccoli is calling me. But anyway, what was the question? What would I do, diff to your house? I just would like to go shopping for textiles with you. I'd like to go and get rugs. I'd like to like, you know, if you just think seriously about some curtains. I don't like curtains. Yeah, if you just think seriously about some curtains. I don't like curtains.

Yeah, but you can get around that. No, actually I've decided I do want some curtains in certain rooms, yes. I think it's time for curtains. I wouldn't trust anyone more than you to get me into the curtain game, seriously. Yeah, because it's a spectrum, you know. We can talk blinds,

there's like all sorts of different types of blinds. Just when I say curtains, I know that what's coming into your head is like chintz patterns. Like I'm not saying that at all. Like it doesn't have to be that. No, I don't mind that. I don't mind that.

I just, I hate not seeing my, I hate curtains closed. I'm very triggered by bad lighting and curtains being closed. I have no idea why. I'm a big fan of up lighting as opposed to down lighting. bad lighting and curtains being closed. I have no idea why. I'm a big fan of up lighting as opposed to down lighting. Don't really like ceiling lights.

I like wall lights and I like lamps and candles. That would be something that we could focus on. Wait, what would I do to your house differently? Not a thing. Oh yeah, what would you do to your house differently? Not a thing. Oh yeah, what would you do to my house? Would I change anything? Oh yes, possibly the nonner green sitting room where you used to do Miss Me.

That's a bit too green for me. That's a little bit too much color for me. But it's right next to the gorgeous sort of cream kitchen. So the kitchen is my favorite room in your house. See, and the difference between me and that caller that just called in is that I can hear you say that and understand that you're not judging me. It's just not to your taste. And that is fine.

However, if David tried to put a painting up in there, then that would be an issue. So then I would be judging him and be judging myself judging him I'd be judging myself for being with him yes I'm being with him quite it goes deep in terriers all right would you like to ask for the last question darling I would love to ask for the last question can we have the last question please I'm Lee I live in Melbourne and I've recently moved house from a house over the road from my mother to somewhere away from my mother,

which is freeing. But I just wondered, because I have ADHD and I know that you guys are also ADHD, can you not relax until you've curated a space? So I'm constantly in my home, sat thinking, I need to do this, I need to change this, I need to move this. And quite frankly, it's quite exhausting.

But it's what keeps my brain energized is designing my space and designing where I live. I just wondered if you guys had experienced that too. Like can you relax in your home? Like does your brain allow you to relax in your space? And if it does, do you have any tips on how I can maybe relax in my space once I've designed it because my brain doesn't tend to stop.

Thanks very much, I love the podcast, bye guys. Not the right person to ask right now, so over to you Makita. I'll take this. I like to set the room, Grimmy does this too, he told me. It's like, I realized last night, because I had a long day and I was like, finally I can relax, and I was like, wow,

I do like a load of shit for an hour before I just sit down. If there's like dirty shit in the dishwasher, I can't relax. And I need to put light, this is so bad, but I do this sometimes. I put like lamps on in other rooms and light a candle in another room, put incense on in there, jazz FM on in there,

even though I'm not in that room, just to know that that room is set for like when I'm going there later. And Grimmie said he does that. So it made me feel a bit less crazy. I just like to kind of set the scene of my own evening or my own home, because then you get to enjoy all the things that you've like built.

Like there's a reason I like made this space, especially with a house like yours, Lil. You spent all this time, all this money, and it's so beautiful. And I know that you really enjoy that house. You have people over for big lunches. You use that kitchen. You use that big table that you set there.

I think if you have spent all this time on your environment and you're not kind of using it, that's when your mind races. Like, what shall I do next? No, no, look at what you've done and use it. Because you have something great already. Okay, on that note, we're gonna get out of here and I'm going to make

some phone calls. You're gonna make some phone calls? And could you just quickly before you go, before you dash darling, I'm so sorry to do this to you but could you just give us a listen bitch theme for next week? Oh yes I can, the listen bitch theme for next week is... Go on, what you got? is... Go on, what you got? Safety. Very good. It can be quite broad, you know, it could be like online safety,

it could be safety walking down the street, it could be relationship safety, it could be safe sex, it could be anything, anything safety related. I really like it, and we all need it and deserve it. Yes safety related. I really like it. And we all need it and deserve it. Yes, we do.

I'll read the phone number. It is 080304090. That's 08030, a 40, a 90. Lily Allen, I love you more than anything. I love you too. I'll talk to you later. Bye. Bye.

Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. Bye! where together we're going to hear what it's like to be thrust into the public eye by those who've lived to tell the tale. In this podcast, I'm going to be joined by 12 fantastic guests who are going to share how they've learned to navigate the perks, pressures and pitfalls of fame. This is Rylan, how to be in the spotlight. Listen on BBC Sounds. Welcome to Origins with me, Kush Jumbo, the show with the biggest names in entertainment tell me the stories that made them who they are today. Origins is a conversation about my guests' early inspirations and growing up. Guests this season include Dame Anna Winter, Poppy Delevingne, Pete Capaldi and Golda Raishaval, aka Queen Charlotte in Bridgerton.

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