Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! It’s a Bonkbuster

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about books.Next week, we want to hear your questions about SLANG. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: 08000 30 40 90. Or, if you like, send us... an email: missme@bbc.co.uk.This episode contains very strong language, adult themes and strong sexual references. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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Starting point is 00:00:30 BBC Sounds Music Radio Podcasts This episode of Miss Me Has some very strong language Some adult themes And some sexual references That are a bit strong A little bit strong
Starting point is 00:00:43 Hello Hello Hello welcome Everyone, everybody to listen bitch. It's back to listen, bitch. Why is it back to listen, bitch? Because it's Monday. No, because you're back.
Starting point is 00:01:06 Oh, babes. Here she is. We gave it another title while you're away. It felt right. What was it? Bitch listen. Ah. I don't like it.
Starting point is 00:01:18 It's more for Zowie. Zowie said it quite cool. She was like, bitch, listen. It was sweet. It was like Zowie's little thing. It was just, Don't worry, just this thing between me and Zowie.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Okay. Welcome back, the queen. Thank you, Zawi, if you're listening, for taking my, up my position. She did a good job, didn't she? She did, yeah. I thought she was really great, and I thought she's just smart, isn't she? And thoughtful. I like, I like, I like her.
Starting point is 00:01:51 I like her a lot. Okay, the theme for this week's Listen, bitch, is books yeah who fucking chose that me okay thanks it's summer right everyone's on summer holiday everyone's thinking about what books they want to read I've read some you've read a lot let's see where we get to
Starting point is 00:02:15 let's have our first question for this week's Elizabeth hi Lily and Makita it's Amy from the New Forest I just want to say Lily it's very nice to have you back and I love your book my thoughts exactly It is one that I have recommended to my friends. I get to my friends because I just think a woman standing in her truth and power is very much not really done anymore. And you were a bit revolutionary with that. So thank you.
Starting point is 00:02:39 I adore it. So I kind of, my question on books is, do you guys have like a typical genre you go for? So I very much read nonfiction. I like learning and like memoirs nonfiction. Do you have like a typical genre that you go for and rely on when you're reading or like? Like, that's a bit of a comfort to you. I love this podcast so much. I love you both so much.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Makita, you're going to have to write a book because I've got and read lilies and I love it. So feel free whenever you're ready. Oh my God. My life story. Hmm, I'd read your book. I forgot that you wrote a book. Thank you for reminding us.
Starting point is 00:03:14 You did that. How old were you when you did that? It was 2018 it came out. So I must have started it in 2017. So, you know, 33, 33. 32, day three. Quite young to write an autobiography, but a lot of shit had gone down. And even more has happened since.
Starting point is 00:03:31 You have to write part two. Yeah. Maybe I will. Maybe I will. I... Oh, yeah, I go through phases with books. Sometimes, like, I'm into, like, nonfiction, and I get, like, very into specific subjects. So I think, like, last year, I got quite into smartphones and kids.
Starting point is 00:03:52 and, you know, read that book, The Actress Generation and a few others that were kind of on that same subject matter. He was sort of educating yourself last year, wouldn't you? A little bit, yeah. And then I have times where I'm feeling like a little bit, I just need something that sort of nourishes my soul and is not like, it's not nostalgia. Like at the moment I'm reading Heartburn by Nora Ephron.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Oh my God, what a book! Yeah. Oh my God, I've read that. And there's something like that realm, Nora Efron, Joan Didion, even like Curtis Sittonfeld. You know, she's quite an American female writers, actually. Did you ever read Erica Jong? Is it Yong Jong, Thier of Flying?
Starting point is 00:04:39 No. I think it's like a sort of 60th seminal book about female pleasure and masturbation, but it like changed the world. I really feel like I should read that. Yeah. Well, I'm quite bad at. reading books that are about
Starting point is 00:04:54 things that I know nothing about which is actually probably why you should read a book. I get a bit too much like I need a lot of familiarity like I went into a real phase of reading a lot of Martin Amos because his stories were about sort of like middle class
Starting point is 00:05:10 people in West London and North London. Do you have to be able to see yourself in the books do you think? Maybe not even see myself but see things I know. Like the Rachel Papers was like this young boy is such a great book. I think it's his first fucking book.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Martin Amos and it's like a young boy in 70s Notting Hill and I was just like, yes please oh my God, more of this and then there's a great film with Dexter Fletcher in it but it's important to read about things you know nothing about and that's what I
Starting point is 00:05:42 need to do more in books. I really do. Yeah, I mean I just find them like escapism. Saying that in the last year, you know, it's no news to anybody that I've been having, you know, really struggling and having, you know, quite extreme ups and downs. I have found it really difficult to read. I found it really difficult to concentrate on anything without sort of being pulled back into my own sort of like vicious
Starting point is 00:06:07 thought cycle. That's such a shame because it would be so great if they were, they could help. I know. My mom is an, you know, she is like crazy reader and she really, you know, she can be like in the middle of a sort of like rageful like argument with her partner or something or whatever and she'll pick up a book and it will calm her down like I I can't do that I sort of have to be calm to read I can't right it doesn't calm me down I can I can read like you know 15 16 pages and just be like oh wait a second I haven't read any I haven't read any of that I mean my eyes are following the words but I'm thinking about something else well do you know what is good for that coffee table books yeah I've been reading like
Starting point is 00:06:51 like a lot of like 100, I read this like Vogue, a hundred homes through 100 years, which I loved. And then Autumn, when she left, her present that she got me was the book of the homes of the man who did the interiors for Ralph Lauren's homes. And I was like, yes, please. This is the shit. Very architectural digest world of interiors kind of books.
Starting point is 00:07:17 I'm really enjoying those at the moment. and I think that I've obviously had quite a hard time as well and that's really helped me but that's probably just about visioning my new flat my new home. Yeah. Use a book to dream. Let's have another question. We don't want to waste all our book energy on just one.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Let's turn the page. Hi, Lily and Macquia. My name's Brad and I'm from Glasgow. People always say that the book is better than the movie, but are there any on-screen adaptations that you prefer? Hmm. Yes. Really? Films you.
Starting point is 00:07:48 But, yeah, maybe I love the film of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory more than the book. Interesting. I thought they did. I thought they created the world of Roald Dahl excellently. The first one, yeah, obviously. The second one was. Yes, I absolutely hated the later ones. I really hate CGI animation.
Starting point is 00:08:09 And I really felt like they, I liked Tim Burton, but I felt like he really ruined Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with all that Johnny Deppon with all that horrible CGI. And then the Timothy one, I didn't even bother. I was like, no. It's going to be all CGA. But wait, I know there is something where I've gone this is better than the book. Maybe the BBC adaptation of the Lion Witch and the Wardrobe. Fucking loved that.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Yeah, that was fucking epic, actually, wasn't it? We used to watch that a lot, trans kids. Every day. That was so well made. BBC, young people's television in the 90s. Excellent. So maybe kid things. I might even go as far as to say like that old like 60s
Starting point is 00:08:46 or maybe 70s version. of the railway children. Yeah, but those were all such good adaptations. I mean, to be fair, I didn't really read the railroad children, so I don't know how the book was. I did. I did a school production of it. I played Bert, the Railway Master's son.
Starting point is 00:09:01 No, you've told me that. I had to read it in English and do the play. And look at me now! I'm playing Hedder Golda. From Bert. From Bert to Hedder. Anything can happen. let's have another question let's have another no little you ask actually because you're back and you must have really missed asking for questions you fucking ask please come around another question hi guys yeah i've got a question about books it's phoebe by the way i remember reading i can't remember what it was called but it was written by the woman that wrote waiting to exhale and i was like 11 and it was the first time i came across the word erection and like actually various other things what is your first like sexy
Starting point is 00:09:48 book memory. I suspect it might be a bit Judy Blume or something. But yeah, what was your first like soft porn, sexy book memory? Thank you for taking us there, Phoebe. Great question. Great cousin question. Do you want to go first? No, because this requires me to have some memory and I have no recollection of anything that's ever happened in my life. I might jog your memory then because we did read Judy Blume. Okay. And there was a book called Forever, which was so? Well, it wasn't naughty. How do you talk about sex in a teenage novel? Judy Blume was a fantastic, celebrated prolific writer throughout like the 70s, the 80s and 90s, and we discovered her hard in the 90s. And Forever was about like a first love and it had real sex scenes in it.
Starting point is 00:10:42 And it was written really well. It wasn't patronising, but it was graphic. And I used to read some of those scenes to you. And we were like, oh, my God. I think it's when we learned what coming meant. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry, just throw that. Sorry, Judy Blume said it a little less out of nowhere.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Did she spell it C-U-M? Yes, and we were like, how come it's spelt C-U-M? What is this? Oh, my God. I remember that vividly thing. Like, then I suddenly understood sex in a different way. This thing has to happen. Doesn't have to.
Starting point is 00:11:20 Well. And quite often it doesn't. For everyone. It still constitutes the sex if there is no coming involved. From one party. No, no, no. He doesn't have to come either. It's still sex.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Is it if no one comes? Yes, McKee, sir. Yes, it is. Isn't that just intercourse? It's sex. It doesn't have to culminate in somebody reaching orgasm for it to be considered sex. So sex is intercourse, not the, act of the intercourse ending.
Starting point is 00:11:49 That's called finishing. Very often, I haven't finished. Excuse me, but we get all excited. I haven't finished. Sometimes I haven't even started. Jesus. And also, God, I mean, I remember sex in books. Don't you remember sex in books?
Starting point is 00:12:08 It's where you started. You know, first you like, you know, maybe if you're unlucky, hear your parents have sex. Hello, victim number one. but there's also you know you catch something in a film but books you're usually on your own and you have time to sort of sit within it
Starting point is 00:12:24 and reread it and immerse yourself and what this act is really like but then there was this other book that I read which was by Tony Morrison I can't remember what it's called because I'd actually love to read it but it was an adult's book and I found it at Nana's house
Starting point is 00:12:39 when we lived in Spain and then we went for a walk in the Orangery I remember this and I'd read a scene in the book a piece in the book where she gives this guy a blowjob. And I just was like, what the fuck is she doing? She puts this penis in her mouth. So when we were going for a walk, I said to my mum, this thing happened in this book. And I told, I described it, so I said, what's she doing?
Starting point is 00:13:00 I mean, you'll have to know soon. And my mum was like, this is called like a blowjob. I think she used that. And I was like, that is disgusting. And I said, oh, have you ever done that? And my poor mom had to look at me and be like, yes. Yes, just this morning, darling. And now, as I've grown up, I always really feel for her.
Starting point is 00:13:21 I'm like, God, have it. Because I looked at her with real, you know, real shock, horror and disgust. I was like, I can't believe you do that thing. But obviously, I would have joined her a few years later. But we'll save this. Yeah. I don't really remember reading. I still can't think about it.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Actually, even in this book, she does talk about sex. But I kind of, I remember, I used to read a lot of, like, books. Like historical books, you know? I used to be really into like the court of Henry the 8th and books about like ladies and waiting and stuff. But you weren't like, look, we don't really have a romance novel time. I feel like I used to read the word his member quite a lot. Yes, that is quite romance novel.
Starting point is 00:14:06 But I don't remember like reading Jilly Cooper riders or anything. And being like, oh my God. Like I didn't read any. What is that called? He penetrated me with him. is erect member. There was a lot of member chat. As he inserted his member, I felt pain.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Victorian sex novels that Lily was reading. I wasn't Victorian. I used to read like a lot of that of Philippa Gregory. So the genre that I was thinking of is called a bonk buster. And that refers to a subgenre of commercial women's fiction in the 70s and 80s, known for its focus on independent female characters having salacious storylines, i.e. lots of sex. It was a whole thing. Really, really right in the 80s.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Okay, well, everyone get their bookmarks. Let's not lose the page that we're on. And we'll see you after this break. I was going to put the book down for just a little minute. Welcome back to the book's edition of this week's Listen Bitch. books edition, the hardback edition. Yes, please can we have another question? Hey guys, it's Kat from Edinburgh. Why do men seem to be like averse to reading fiction? I feel like past partners of mine or just like my male friends seem to be way more likely to brush fiction off
Starting point is 00:15:32 and opt for non-fiction books. Like one of my friends actually said, if I'm going to read a book, I wanted to teach me something, like as if you can't learn anything from fiction or kind of get any lessons from that. And I was speaking to my brother about this yesterday. and he was saying one kind of thought was that apparently it could be because males have less capacity for empathy as women, so they don't like relate or have compassion for characters the same way that women do. Or I don't know, maybe it's that reading fiction is kind of seen as more feminine, but anyway, I think it's really interesting and I feel like it's especially important in this like era of the manosphere that we get men into reading fiction. So we'd love to
Starting point is 00:16:11 hear your thoughts. Makita, I'm so happy that you're embracing your Scottish roots and Lily have absolutely loved you since the very start. So, bye. Oh, thanks. I'm so happy I'm rediscovering my Scottish root. Well, discovering. Thank you so much fellow Scottish lady.
Starting point is 00:16:28 Why don't men read fiction? I didn't know that. That's interesting. Interesting. I mean, you'd have to ask them, but to hazard a guess, it's like they're not really interested anyone else's experience except for those. Yeah, I think that's good. That makes sense.
Starting point is 00:16:43 I don't think I've ever been with a boy that's a, like, voracious reader. And I think that would be really interesting. If someone wanted to read the shit that I'm into at the moment, like my Epping Forest book, so I wanted to read that with me, I'd be like, always reading their version of that. They were reading about like an ancient medieval wood. I'd be like, I think we're meant for each other. I've never really gone out with anyone that reads a lot.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Might have been an issue. I didn't really know that that was, like, a thing that men didn't read fiction. I mean, now I think about it, like, yeah. I'm always reading some sort of like, how's the sake over the world kind of situation. Yeah, I'm just thinking that now, actually, about my cousin Silliman.
Starting point is 00:17:22 He's always reading a book that's like about how to further self-improvement. Yeah, not to bring Silliman out. It's just an example I'm thinking of as a man in my life. And, yeah, I think maybe there's a part of, it's quite interesting that the lady said that, like, that it's interesting that maybe they don't think storytelling can teach,
Starting point is 00:17:41 you just as much as a sort of how-to and I do I do think that's really important to know. Maybe it's less about why men don't read fiction and more about why women feel that they have to create these fantasy worlds because our live reality is so fucking unbearable. Maybe that's it like the men are already living in a world that they don't feel they they have to escape from. Yeah and we do we need to. Yeah I think that's a really valid point Lily Allen. Let's have another question, please.
Starting point is 00:18:13 My question for you guys on the subject of books is that I recently became a godfather. And one of the things I'm really looking forward to doing when she's old enough is reading to my goddor to some of the books that I was sort of enjoyed as a kid. And I was wondering what yours would be in the same situation, whether, you know, Lily, there are any books that you were really excited to read with your kids or Makisa, you know, what books you really loved growing up. Mine is definitely the Twits by Roald Dahl, but I want to know what yours are. Hassan, thank you. I was a Roald Junkie, to be fair. Were you?
Starting point is 00:18:54 It couldn't get enough of Roald Dahl. And I recently watched a lot of Roald Dahl documentaries, and of course he has quite a problematic past. I went to see a play all about that. Yeah. What was that play? Is that the play that Johnny Flynn was in? No, it's what's his name from,
Starting point is 00:19:09 Oh, you know, like that grumpy old man guy. What, Rick? Third Rock from the Sun. Is that, is that? Oh, John Lithgow. Yeah, he was in it. He played Roll Dahl. What's it called?
Starting point is 00:19:20 It was a play. It was at the Royal Court. It had Rachel's Sturt. Giant. Right? It was called Giant. I would have loved to have seen that. You would have really liked it.
Starting point is 00:19:30 I went to see it at the Royal Court. It was great. But, you know, Netflix has just bought the whole Roll Dahl. I did know that. Yeah. I really hope they don't fuck it up. Well, they won't because it exists. and it always will.
Starting point is 00:19:41 So you don't have to subscribe to the Netflix version of it. No, but I would love them to do an adaptation that I'd be excited by with great actors and great acting and no CGI. No offence, but it's not really for you anymore. It's for children.
Starting point is 00:19:55 If they were clever, they'd make it for everyone. Everyone wants to remember being a kid and watching those things adapted for... You know, that's why The Simpsons is so big. Yeah, but nothing is ever going to, like, beat the witches, like the version that we watched when we were kids. Why can't they make it like they made the witches, though?
Starting point is 00:20:12 Because what would be the point? It has to move on. I hated the new witches. Exactly. Just, I think you need to just like... Get over it. Be okay with them fucking it up because they are going to do it
Starting point is 00:20:24 and you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. If you love Roald Art, just go back and read Roll Dar. I think they're going to do a superb job. Superim job. So yeah, love Roll Dar. And then, Good Night Moon. It's an absolute classic, which I sometimes read.
Starting point is 00:20:37 Oh, yeah. I read that to my kids all the time. The one that I wanted and was excited about and I don't think I ever got around to doing it was Eloise at the Plaza. Oh, a classic. And we really should have done because we live in New York and it would be...
Starting point is 00:20:53 Yeah. And maybe living in New York makes it less exciting, actually. Maybe it was because we lived in London. Well, I lived in London when I read it when I was a kid. I was obsessed with Eloise of the Plaza. Oh, my God. Well, it just felt so, like, glamorous and exciting and otherworldly, yeah, like New York.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Also just like living in a hotel. Yeah. She said she got checked into the rooms at the Groucho Club every weekend when my dad was looking after her. Okay. Does that mean that in turn when you were in New York with the girls and they were young, you felt like you were leaning towards kind of quaint English stories more
Starting point is 00:21:31 to remind them of home? I can't even really remember what I read. I just would read them books. I can't. Ethel then started to like, she was like, I don't want you to read me bedtime stories anymore because they got to a point where I would read them bedtime stories together, especially when we were in Queens Park
Starting point is 00:21:49 because they shared a bedroom. So we'd all get into the bottom bunk and I read to them. And then maybe it was in the pandemic. No, because they shared a room then as well. There was a point where they got their own rooms and then it was like... Reading time was like a solo thing. Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:07 or like Marnie would like it. Ethel didn't care so much. She just wanted to sort of lie in bed and talk, whereas Marnie liked us to read. It's such a precious short window, isn't it? Where both girls are, like, young and wanting to hear their mum meet them a bedtime story. It goes so quickly, it feels it.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Yeah, and then Marnie got into me singing. I should have to sing her this one song every night to get her to sleep. I'm so sad that she doesn't want me to do that anymore. I know. I don't know you... Sometimes if she's like really upset, then I'll just bust it out and she goes. She just goes to sleep.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Lily, what do you sing with your perfect choral lullaby voice? I sing Baby Mine, which is the mummy elephant song to the baby elephant in Dumbo. It's the song that changed your life as a kid. Interesting. Keep that wheel turning. I'd love to hear you sing that. My mum used to sing me a lullaby.
Starting point is 00:23:05 actually but anyway that's not about that's not about books that's not about books baby um let's talk about books let's have another book relates to question okay did we answer that enough for hassan though so like yeah the good night moon there you go yes other question hello my name's sophy i'm a therapist and i'm sending this from rainy sheffield my question is so i'm piloting a book club whereby I've asked the people that are coming to bring a book. So rather than setting when I'm asking people to bring a book that means something to them, we'll have like a safe space to explore that together and kind of what it means to them, how they relate to it.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Did it help them like through a transitional period in their life? Anything. It just has to kind of mean something to you. So my question to you, do you have a book that comes to mind when you think about a book that's maybe helped you or comforts you maybe that you go back to, I'd be really interested to hear that.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Love the podcast. It goes without saying why I'm sending a message. Bye. Bye. I mean, thank you. I don't know whether, do you know who has this a lot?
Starting point is 00:24:20 My mum. My mum is constantly talking about the books that changed her life. Lily. Yeah, I'm looking at a book. Okay. She's always taught. There's a writer called Isabella.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Isabella Ayende, a lot of her books my mum's constantly talking about. I mean, I think that's what this is making me think of that my mum is someone who really educated herself by the book she read. And when she did GLR, that radio show, it was a kind of culture show every day and she'd interview a lot of authors.
Starting point is 00:24:50 So at that point, we had thousands and thousands of books in Powers Terrace, you remember? And so I was around a person, a parent, who was telling me constantly that, like, books change your life. And I could see them educate her. And even the way my mom speaks, a vocabulary and where she comes from,
Starting point is 00:25:07 and a lot of her empathy, I know is from her voracious reading. It didn't really trickle down to me. It does with other things. Like, I know I keep saying this that I read a lot of, like, journalism and articles, but that stuff I find comforts me, makes me laugh, inspires me.
Starting point is 00:25:24 That's where I find it, the Sunday Times. Yeah, and also, I guess there's, there's like an argument to say that because I mean do you read do you go to the off-lights the off-lacent news agents and buy those the papers yes I do I buy the papers so you buy it in hardback because I feel like there's you know obviously with the internet and algorithms or whatever we're fed things that we have already previously shown an interest in and so yeah you're going to find comfort in that I feel like I kind of touched on
Starting point is 00:25:57 it earlier a little bit that you know I would get into specifically like genres or things that I don't know why I was like so taken with like the court of Henry the 8th or the Trudecourt or whatever it was but I seem to remember the sort of like glamour of it is what excited me oh like the the descriptions of all of the fabrics and the textiles and you know like women like sort of you know dressing in corsets and having like you know sort of busts women that would like go and choose their clothes for them and do you know what I mean that kind of thing grand lifestyles but when I was a when I was yeah I was into the fantasy of the grand lifestyle and also like I was probably the beginnings of my like interested in power
Starting point is 00:26:49 because it's not just it's not just ladies it's ladies in the court in the most powerful yeah and there was a lot of like you know Machiavellian like like like planning, like managing to sort of like get yourself into certain positions if you're clever enough. Why do you love this stuff so much? What interests you about power and the way people play with it? I think probably like having none as a kid, you know, and being sort of like sent all over the place and not really having like much agency, I suppose. And also both my parents like occupying these different like positions in the world that felt like at the time that was being prioritized over, you know, me.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Right, yeah, yeah. So perhaps it was like a, you know, it's been like something that I've been curious about, like, what's this thing that they've chosen? Over me. Over me. It must be like desirable for some reason. But also I remember when I was the girl's age,
Starting point is 00:27:55 I was like infatuated with children in war. So like the railway children, carries war when Hitler stole pink rabbit and Frank. There was a lot of that about. I was obsessed with kids in the Second World War. And I had like this sort of like fantasy of like being put on a train and sent off into the countryside.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Yeah, but that's probably because they were just as displaced as you were feeling. A lion or witch in the wardrobe, you know? It was all that. Bedlobs and broomsticks. Yeah. Stuff's too complicated in London, but I didn't have that option
Starting point is 00:28:32 until I got to 12 and then I went to boarding school. So yearning to be an evacuee. Yeah. Literally. It's like, imagine what's at the other end of the train. Who might pick me up? Imagine if someone put us on a train to go live with like a nice family in the Cotswolds.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Yeah, exactly. Somewhere like him, maybe my new dad will be Henry the 8th. It would have loved some weird shit like that. Fucking would have loved it. Anyway. So I wanted stability and you wanted comfort. Same thing, really.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Safety. Yeah, I'd like preaching from the same hymn book there. I would just say a book that did change my idea of life was a weird one. It was, again, just in the house. The Bible. The Bible. It's a midney sheep, but it's the Bible. No, it's the Marilyn Monroe biography that was in my mum's house.
Starting point is 00:29:33 And I was like, I don't know why I picked it up that day. You know what? It might have been one of the first days that I decided to stop going to school. And I was just like, I can't do this anymore. And so I picked it up and I remember thinking, you get to see all these pictures of her as a kid and all the, and also her life was fucking horrendous. And she was put in all these different orphanages.
Starting point is 00:29:52 And I was just, I think it was the first time I realized that, the story behind what you see of someone's life can be really distressing and interesting and captivating and that every life has lots of twists and turns. And I would say to you, Lil now, actually, when you're saying you can't read at the moment to escape your horrible life. No, I'm joking.
Starting point is 00:30:10 No, I can't. I'm reading again. I just mean like, you know, six months ago, I couldn't. Oh, right, makes total sense. So what really helps me is that the escapism of another life and a life that you think, you know, a lot about, which is why I've watched so many documentaries about people's lives, because like yesterday, I watched a Billy Joel documentary, which was riveting and just unbelievable,
Starting point is 00:30:38 just the amount of ups and downs that go through his life. And every time you go, okay, cool, we must be good now. Some other fucking disaster happens because it's a life. So I really like reading biographies in the same way that I like watching biographical documentaries, because reminds you that every life has a lot of challenges and twists and turns and it's good to be reminded of that something that Instagram doesn't do. I wouldn't know because I don't go on that.
Starting point is 00:31:04 I wouldn't know, I don't know that app. That was our final question. Turn the page, close the page, put the book back on the shelf until next week. The theme for next week's listen bitch is slang. Yeah, let me just throw that WhatsApp number out, like it's spicy and too hot to handle.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Oh, 8,000, 30, 40, 90, 0,000, 30, 40, 90. Slang! Go on, give us a bit of peatong. Give us a little classic apples and pears back in, you know, a little bit of an absolute... What's apples and pears? Down the stairs, yeah? You're gonna have to really brush up on my slang. That's cockney rhyming slang. I mean, I feel like... Nice, Lily.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Well, well, let's talk about it next week. But this is good. It's nice to know that you know all the categories. degrees. There are different types. It's not just an umbrella of slang. I can't wait to revisit some words we haven't used in a while. Do you know what I miss? I miss calling people chief. What a chief. He's such a fucking chief. What a waste man. What a chief. Like that there's some, we got really lucky with our slang. I think we were in the golden. We were no, because we don't know what the kids are saying. They might have some really cool ones. We have to look at all. Can we do some
Starting point is 00:32:21 research because I don't think they do. The things I hear sound bogus. Yes, I said bogus. But that's because we had a film called Bill and Ted's bogus journey. You've got a know, if you know, you know. Bogus adventure, no? No, it was excellent adventure and then bogus journey sequel. Apparently they're doing Waiting for Godot, those two. Do you hear about that? Those two. Well, the guy that played Bill. Yeah, and Keanu Reeves are doing Waiting for Godot on Broadway. I'm sure of it. Wait a second. Taking over from Patrick Stewart and bloody... Not taking over.
Starting point is 00:32:55 It's a classic that people do... No, but I mean like, sorry, following in the footsteps of Patrick Stewart and... I swear it was Michael Gambon. Let's have a look, waiting for Good... Oh, Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. What a film. Here we go. Hang on. Hold tight caller.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Yes, Keanu Reeves is set to make his Broadway debut in a revival of Samuel Beckett's waiting for Godot alongside his... alongside his long-time friend Alex Winter. How funny, I want to go and see it. You can go on your own to that one. Previews begin September 13th. I will be there.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Okay. Be there or B square. Another slime classic. Fucking hell. It's going from September the 13th until January the 4th. Okay. That's the song. Jamie Lloyd directing.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Okay. Okay. Interesting. All right, Lily Allen. Go get some sleep. You've got a bloody show tonight. Got to be Hedda. Proud of you.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Okay, I'm proud of you too. I'll speak to you next week. You don't need to be proud of me. I'm not doing a play tonight. You are. You're living with your mum's and that's hard. Thank you. Okay, love you.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Good luck. I see you. I see you too. I see you too. Bye guys. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Mikita Oliver. This is a Persefonica production for BBC.
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