Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Justice Is A Fantasy

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

Lily Allen and Jordan Stephens answer your questions about justice.Next week, Miquita & Lily are back together and want to hear your questions about ANYTHING. We are doing an ASK US ANYTHING. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language and adult themes. What more do you want? Hi, hello, welcome to listen bitch. I'm Lily Allen, I'm joined by Jordan Stevens. Hi We are talking about justice today And I think we should just go straight in there

Get a question What do you think? What did you think? Yeah, I want a question And justice is all about fairness, really, isn't it? You nailed it. Well, it should be. It should be. It isn't, is it?

Not really. Okay, let's talk about some justice. Have a question, please. Hey, guys, this is Kirstie from Brighton. I love the pod. My question about justice is that I was recently going through some therapy to do with OCD and things like that. And my therapist said that I have quite a strong moral code that I tend to get upset when people don't really live by my moral code. Now, not to say that my moral code is right or anything, but if something doesn't align with what I think is fair, it makes me quite upset and I feel really attacked by it.

and I've had this with like exes and stuff like that. So I don't know. Have you ever felt that you have a strong moral code or a sense of justice and if someone doesn't align with that, it's something that you feel personally attacked or does it upset you much? Thank you anyway. Love the pod.

Bye. Well, they say apparently one of the new findings surrounding ADHD, which I've been diagnosed of a couple times, is, oh, I've just forgotten what it is. Justice. Classic H-D. Justice, something about like injustice sensitivity or some shit.

I don't know. It's like something, some, I mean, it must be similar to what this woman's talking about because she mentioned OCD. So it's going to be some kind of, I don't know, neurodiverse attunement to, yeah, to what the individual considers to be unjust. I don't know.

But like, I feel that, yes, I get very passionate about. about things I think are unfair, especially in conversation or debate. Or yeah, I really, I feel it viscerally. And I've had to learn to take a breath and realize that life isn't totally decided by what I deem is moral.

But if I, by every now and again, I'll stand up for it because, you know, that's, someone else can have something to push back against it. But I obviously have my feelings in that, you know, sometimes they're worth something. you know so sometimes I'll say something if I feel like something's unjust I'll say something you know yeah I don't like it I hear that I think I think I felt very strongly um I had a very strong moral compass in my youth and I felt like I wanted to assert the list like the power that

I felt that I had in the world and and use it for people that perhaps didn't have as much power as I did yeah I feel like as time has gone on and I've got older I'm not I don't think I'm less empathetic I definitely feel empathy for people that have been wronged. I just feel like I'm not really in a position to do much about it. And I feel like I feel like I can listen to people, but I can't. I think the difference is that when I was younger, I felt like I could solve the problems. And now I feel like I can just listen to the problems.

Wow. And that maybe the listening is probably more. helpful because I don't I don't think I ever did solve the problems I just felt very strongly that I could and I would really yeah I think I'd be surprised that you would have had some impact I think in terms of standing up for what you believe in I think that's a cool thing not not everybody serves that role you know I think it's important for people to stick their oar in so the right phrase you know like yeah yeah I do it's weird my my mom I've really just got that from my mum, I'll just be real.

You know what I mean? I've said this before. I've been protesting and shit all my life. My mum will pull over mid-drive. Like, my mum has intervened on an arrest before. Yeah, I mean, I would do that. I would do that. Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I feel, yeah, I don't, I don't know. But I hear what you're saying, compassion fatigue. Like, you've seen too many of these cycles. I'm just a little bit like, I'm just a bit exhausted. But I also feel like, you know, I've done quite a lot of like putting my head above the parapet and my time. and I'm just like, I'm just a little bit exhausted by the pushback, you know? Yes, and also you deserve peace.

Yeah, but, yeah, if anyone does something bad to one of my friends or my kids, you're getting it, yeah? Anyway, should we have another question? Yes. I'm Emily. I am calling from Beau in London where I live. One of the main things that I find I require justice from is the fact that I am a clinically good judge of character. I can just read someone and so often

people go, oh no, I like them, I like them and I'm going, no, no, they don't have your best interests at heart, I think they're a dick, I think they're up themselves or whatever, and then it turns out that I was right. I find it hard to forget when I know someone's a bad person or I know that they've got

unattractive qualities which then my friends will get sucked over by them or something will happen where I will right. Do you feel this way where you feel that you're a good judge of character and you can't get over it when you have a suspicion about someone? And if not, do you have any advice for just kind of

moving on and keeping the peace? Thank you guys. Interesting to hear your thoughts. I think I understand where she's coming from and I've definitely had those feelings about people before but I've kind of learnt to mind my own business a little bit

and just let people get on with her. Have to. Right? I'm not going to stick my war in where it's not a need. Yes, stick you're roaring. Firstly, can we just highlight clinically good judge of character is an incredible phrase. I just need to highlight that.

Clinically good judge of character. I do worry if a person runs the risk of closing themselves off to, you know, the ever developing state of human nature when they approach things. But I do... Yeah, writing someone off. You never know, like, if you're on first impressions as well,

someone could be going through something in particular. Going through it. Yeah. Most people are. Most people that are trouble are troubled, right? Trout. Facts. Facts. Hurt people. Yes. One thing I will, one caveat I will say though, which I find interesting is, and I very much believe this, in the early stages of a relationship, because I'm assuming she was hinting towards relationships there. You know, like when you're friends with someone and you're just like, no, it's not the right vibe. Firstly, most of the time, if you try and tell them, they're obviously not going to listen. If they haven't. asked because why would they? But if I read this book once called Your Brain on

Love and it's specified that in those early stages the honeymoon phase, yeah like two three months you actually have to delegate you have to delegate the responsibility of assessment of that person to people around you because you are unable to make that assessment yourself because you're we are we are high we are chemically high high on the validation. Yes so we're just skipping over red flags. Yeah, I definitely guilty of so you have to have a council. No, in a dream

world, in a dream world, but you have to listen to your council. You have to listen to the council. Yeah, I know, but then sometimes your people that you get involved with are not really interested in meeting your friends. That is a free flag in itself. Yes, that's the flag. That's the flag. That's scarlet. That is a scarlet flag.

Yep. The distance from the council. Okay, let's add that to the list. Distance from the council. Lily, do you think you're a good judge of character? Do I think I'm a good judge of character? No, not particularly. No, but it's different between people and romance. There's a whole different ballpark, man.

No, I know, but even, oh God. No, I mean, no, because I just have like a low tolerance for people and for small talk. And there are, you know, lots of people who are, you know, of good character, but they're just like got bad chat and I just haven't got time for it. Thanks. And that makes me know that and that would probably mean that I'm a bad character. Because I'm not. Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I think people, you know, I like to be, I like to be entertained and I like to be challenged. And I feel like if I sense that somebody is not going to give me that, then I'm not, I'm not really very generous. generous with my energy towards them. And I don't know that that's a particularly good trait of mine. Yeah, that's not a great trait. I'll be real, Lily, that's not a great trait. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm just being honest.

Just being honest. You're making an assumption based off of a small pool of data, which is exactly what we just stood against. Okay. Well, thank you for telling me about myself. No, I do it too. Yeah, I just... I might as judge it.

I get fucked over. I've also got just like a bit of a low tolerance to bullshit as well. You know, I feel like when someone is, when someone is like full of hot air, like I just haven't got, I haven't got the time or the energy to like fight through it. So I'm just,

I just sort of switch off and disengage, you know? Yeah. I'm sorry to all those people that felt that felt me disengaged. I'm really not very good at hiding it either. Yeah. Yes. And we live in a polite society so it sticks out. Do you know what I mean?

You have to be polite. You must show people how you feel. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I'm going to be better. I'm going to be better. You are better, I think. Do you think I've got better since you known me?

100%. Really? That's fact. 1,000%. 100% literally. That's good to know. I do actually really, really think that because I remember being taken aback. You were awful when I met you in the camera.

No, no, when I first met you, I remember that. No, but the hug thing, like, listen, for me in that environment, especially when everyone's like drunk and shit, it was unusual. I mean, it stayed in my mind. I was like, right, okay, you really can't touch Lillian, okay, fair. And then you've seemed way more warm a few years later because, you know, I guess your life had changed. But anyway, I think I can be a good judge of character

because I have spent a lot of time, like as an only child for most of my life, I just watch people. And I'm fascinated by patterns of behaviour. And I love when I see that people who like a certain thing or do a certain thing or go to a certain place or say a certain thing often act the same way as other people who like those things. So when I see those patterns, it excites me

and sometimes a person will start doing or saying certain things and I'll think, oh, I've met people similar to this before and then I get this thrill of guessing what they might do and then they do it. And then I'm like, oh my God, what? Like, this is a real pattern. And so that happens sometimes.

However, I also have to acknowledge, and Jade will say this too, I have this thing where I will talk to anyone, right? Like I were literally, I'm super curious, I'll chat to anybody at any time. I find people actually fascinating. But that means that when people on a friend level, so like on a platonic level, might be showing signs of maybe I'm unstable, I think take it upon myself to not make them, you know, to be welcoming and open and loving.

And every now and again, I put myself in situations where I end up like, yeah. Like, I've, like, like, what? Like getting extorted, stalked. Right, okay. Do you know what I mean? Because I've, I've, I've gifted attention. To somebody that shouldn't be getting it. Okay, that's interesting.

Like, anyone else around me is going, Jordan. Yeah, leave that person and that. No, no, no, you don't get it. You don't get it. Like, I didda-da-da-da-da. And next thing, they're like sending me emails, like, every day for a year. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, so I have to, my things. thing is I've had to actually learn to close myself off a bit because not everyone and it's not even their fault necessarily. It's not even it's not like they're bad minded. It's just like sometimes your energy is you know you have to have to be I have to be more conservative on my energy sometimes. I've had to learn that as I got older. So that's where I'm spilling more into the am I just going to put my armor on for this exchange. Yeah. Yeah. I wish I was more like you. I feel like I'm quite guarded. There's pros and cons to both.

Yeah. Okay, let's have another fucking question, shall we? Should we just sit in silence after that? Just thinking about the traumas we've been through. It's Becky He from Talking in Australia. Love the podcast. On the topic of justice, I wanted your thoughts on when justice maybe hasn't been done,

maybe through the cords or like through formal processes but done in you know served in other ways like through community or like I suppose karma in a way my example of this is I remember many years ago flying from Australia to London this teenage girl was sitting behind us and oh she would just kick the back of the seat forever and it was driving me insane and the parents wouldn't do it didn't do anything and I just was so grumpy because that flight is forever. Then the moment we landed in Heathrow, she got a massive blood nose. And I just thought, well, bitch, that's justice. We'd just love to hear your thoughts. Love you guys. Bye.

Instant karma. One of my favorite genres of YouTube. It's got to be. Instant karma videos. If you just want a little bit of like, a little bit of a joy injection. I would, but I haven't got any access to the internet. Oh, sorry. You're not an ad internet. Sure. I will. When I'm back online, I'll have a look at the Insta Karma, I'm sure that's safe. Do you believe in karma? Yeah.

Yeah, I do. I think you have to, really. Not necessarily on the negative side of it. Like I don't necessarily think that like put, you know, people, like, bad people have it coming to them. But I do think that, like, if you put enough positivity and good energy forward, then it will come back to you eventually. I mean, I think that like, you know, well, I mean, I suppose if you're taught in economic terms, like, you know, the richest and most powerful, the most successful people in the world on paper are, you know, doing bad things and getting paid well for it. But are they happy? No.

You've got to sell yourself for that. And I think that, you know, there are a lot of people that are, you know, really struggling financially. are, you know, facing challenges economically, but on the face of it, actually much happier because they're relying on their community and for support, and it's real, it's a real connection. And I do truly believe that that is what we're here to do as human beings. So I, yeah, I suppose it depends on which lens you're looking at it from, or through.

But I try not to focus too much on what the bad, people are doing and I try and focus on what the good people are doing and how they're getting rewarded. Yes, which is a good. I think that's a worthy way to look at things. Yeah, it's an interesting, it's a hilarious example of somebody kicking the back of a chair and then getting a nosebleed. I'm a firm believer in the fact that negative actions always come at the cost of the person perpetrating them as well, even if on the surface they don't appear to be suffering. I just can't, you know, having obviously done bad things myself or done things that have affected other people that I, almost every, no, every single time I've done something that's negatively impacted

another person, especially someone close to me, is come across to myself, you know? And that is just a way of the world. It's difficult, obviously, accepting or caring about that. Because sometimes you're like, I don't give a fuck. But, you know, in the moment of balance, you can just remember that, you know, there's just no, yeah, I just don't see, especially when, it's to do with harming other people yeah there's just no way you can just do that and just skip down the road and nah comes at a steep spiritual cost in my opinion which is actually towards what you're saying in a material world you can be on top of the world and actually there's no nothing there's no rules in place that say you need to be kind or connected you can get

there completely on your own looking at a screen that's it yeah yachts i think are quite fascinating as a concept fascinating concept like you go on it like sort of floating like a hotel little mini hotel for you and your like 10 mates that just refuse to see any other people and the results of you know the your actions in the world it's like we're just floating around here Nothing to see No poor people No poverty Nothing at all is going on

In the world It's just me and my boat And all these girls See I'm just I've got it Nice That's you just come for free I just came out for free

What you're talking about Just off the top of the fucking Tom Yeah Yeah Nah I hear it Weird Every bullet backfires

Yeah It is mental That whole yachting scene. It's like, what are you doing? Why do you want to be trapped on that, in the middle of the ocean with a bunch of... Well, I mean, look, the ocean's nice. Let's be real. The ocean's nice. No, I know. It's just the like isolation of it and it's just the like, let's get away from everybody else in the world. At the expense of the world. At the expense of the world. Okay? We all good with that?

Brilliant. Yeah. Anyway. Been to any super yacht parties then, Lil? I have. Been to a few and I've always found them quite strange. Like, I've done a couple of like performances on yachts in can and stuff i was invited on a yacht by a boyfriend when i was like my early 20s and you know it's like it's like private jets isn't it's like novelty you're like oh wow look at me i'm on a private jet i'm on a yacht but then it's like what are we what are we actually doing here do you watch below deck i love below deck i knew it see this is a thing I know there's a separate episode. Can we just have it noted that Lily said,

I'm not into that reality tea. I'm telling you right now, below deck, you're in. That is reality television. I watch it with my kids. I mean, okay, yeah, fine, I watch reality TV. I watch Real Housewives, too. Real Housewives, and you're here trying to... I don't know what I'm talking about when I say I'm not, I don't...

So what you meant to say was, I don't watch Love Island is all you meant to say. I mean, I don't watch, like, I mean, what I mean is, I don't watch, I'm a celebrity, get me out. here and I don't watch Love Island. I don't watch ITV reality TV. Okay, firstly, Love Island's ITV2. Let's get it, let's get it right. Okay, I don't know. Yeah.

ITV1. They peaked at, um, I've got his name. Who's the Happy Mondays? Sean. Sean Ryder. They peaked at Sean Ryder. Okay, I think it's time. I think, I think it's time we had a little break.

Yes, I think so too. It would only be fair. that was the break now we're going to ask we're going to listen to another question yes that's what happens after the break we get into more things it's fran from cardiff in wales my little baby son or shan who you can hear in the background um on the theme of justice when artists cover a song people might say oh they really did the original justice or they didn't do it justice so what would you say your favorite cover song is that you feel like the artist covering the song has really done the original justice thank you

bye no lily i can't think of anyone i know who's done a cover that's not really anyone except for me No, no, I literally can't, I can't, estraining me to think of someone who even had a successful cover run an entire festive period. No, I actually don't really, no. You've had a couple. Except for friends of mine at karaoke, like, I do, that's the only time where covers get justice. But there's a couple you've done, right?

I've done somewhere on you, we know. Somewhere on you, we know, and, oh my God, I can't believe it. Oh, yeah, I did that, yeah. I've done Heart of Glass by Blondie, massacred Oh shit What else did I do I did a clash one as well

I never been this far away from home Do you know my favourite I got two bangers That I think it's done the original's justice Yeah Outside of yours of course Yeah Hallelujah

Jeff Buckley Oh come on Classic And also here's a mad one Dancing in the Moonlight Toploader What? What do you mean

That's the cover? Cover Shut the fuck up Shut up See Cover Bluck You know, let me

No, you're lying That's lies What is the original? It's the original bad Because to be honest That is bad But at least It's the better known one

Fuck me You're talking about A top 10 house party British anthem That Adele Bob Dylan covers pretty good Uh The heart one

Was it? No, you made me feel my love Oh, maybe for my love. Yeah, yeah, that's really good that one. Yeah, that's true. I heard a really cool cover by, is it Haley? Who's in Paramour? Haley Williams did a cover of Passion Fruit by Drake,

which was nice to listen to because I'd ideally never listen to the one by Drake again. So hearing her version was like, that's cool. That's cool. I did a cover of the Cooke's. It was quite good. The one. I know.

She knows. I'm not fond of our skin True or false It may be She's still allowed to get me Did you ever used to party with Luke? I did I went to school with Luke

Me and Luke were in class together And we were in a band for about five minutes Where we did a Green Day cover and assembly Hey Mr. Where are you heard it? Yeah Yeah Party boy

Is your mind blown Is your mind blown And we had a drummer Called Henry Donofsky I guess so I thought he went to BIM No he went to He went to, I'm not even going to say

because people are just going to call me a posh nipper. I can't be boring. Okay, it was eaten. I went to Eaton. No, I'm joking. Oh my God, this whole time you've been standing against the ruling class. You are the ruling class.

Look, I'm not surprised your mates of Luke Pritchard. What an era, the indie scene, 2006, just before the real breakthrough of the, I know, that was the same time. as you broke through. It's 20 years since All Right Still next year. Can you believe that? Banger, banger of an album.

Who's that producer, Greg Kirsten? No. No, it wasn't. It was Future Cut, Darren and Tudy. Obviously, it's Future Cut. I've worked with Future Cut. They did the read of the Down with the Trumpets with us. Yeah, you were biting my style.

With Trump? How, excuse me. That's not true. What I mean is, you just be like, okay, who's her producer? We want to sound like her. joke joke is it just a little joke it's just a little joke it's just a little joke and it's finished now and we can move on to the next question okay oh no look he's pissed Lily you're a big inspo there's no part of me that's a shame to say that listen I'm just being a thing in the

icon all right no stop it try to get a facelift what do you think if I do eyes up say give the next question before she melts This is what happens when it doesn't have the internet. Hello, my name is Roe and I listen to you guys from Manchester. I had a question for Listen Bitch that me and my friends often discuss and we can't agree. So when it comes to justice or injustice, do you think it would be worse to be in prison for a crime that you did not commit? or is it worse for someone to be roaming free when they are guilty of a crime?

We think it's quite a dilemma and I'm not quite sure which would be the worst outcome so interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks. Wait, sorry. I don't know why we have to make a choice. Did I just mishear that question? No, I'm being dead serious. She's saying, is it better that somebody goes to jail?

for something they didn't do or is it better that somebody is out and about having committed a crime I don't know why I would have why I would have to choose What world is this one living in?

Sorry Is there a missed context for that? She's sorry Would you rather a murderer was running loose in the streets or someone who's not a murderer in jail Would I rather go to jail for something I didn't do or get away with murder? I think I'd rather get away with murder.

Yeah, that's what the fuck? Also, this legal... That's actually fucking insane. I think she's... You know what? I believe there is an underbelly to it that we're missing. That is... That has a beautiful, ethical...

There's something... The internet has ruined us all. Would you rather kill someone... Get away with it? or not kill someone and go to prison No, but seriously there That's crazy That's actually crazy

Anyway No, I love it What a great outlook on Justice I'd rather kill someone and get away with it To be fair No, but ethics, but can I say But ethics is actually a really genuinely fascinating Space to investigate

You know, what we consider to be ethically okay and not okay. I can't say many of the questions I like asking on this because it's too weird but um Oh killing people is bad if we can agree on that

No but ethically there will be two different levels of killing people You know like would you kill this person To save this person Like for example And this is one of my pet hates Lily I swear to God it happens

In all these films yeah Like in the third Harry Potter film Right there is this bit where Harry runs in and Sirius Black has Peter Pettigrew on the ropes, yeah? They're about to do him, right? They're about to do Peter Pettigrew. Harry runs in and goes, no, stop serious.

No, I'm going to put him on trial, do it the just way. What happens, Lily? He turns into a fucking rat, runs away. And then he just starts the whole next four books because he runs away, brings Voldemort back from the dead, kills like seven people, including his godfather. If Harry had just killed him, none of it would have happened. If I had let serious just go, one death, one, sorry, I've got, I lost my, I got lost it.

It's a dilemma, isn't it? Or like, or like in, in Infinity War, Thanos, right? Oh, I want all the stones. Scarlet Witch is going out with a robot with a stone in his head and they go, just kill him straight away, doesn't kill him. So he goes around the whole universe, and I'm sorry, and then eventually when she does kill him, he's got a time stone. Fucking ridiculous. Okay, next question. Or is that the end?

I lost it then. Sorry, I've gone. No, I like it. I didn't realize that was really, that was venomous. It was good. I liked the Harry Potter analogy. It was great. Do you get it? I do get it. As long as people get it. Right. Thanks, Lil. Cheers. Just creating their own problems. Hi, you lovely humans. I'm Morgan and I live in Manchester.

My question on justice is if you had a superpower that served someone justice, In that, like, second, what would it be? For example, like littering to me is just pointless. I hate it. It shows a complete lack of respect for the world for yourself, for everyone around you, blah, blah, blah. So I'd love to have the superpower where if someone threw, like, a can out their window or a fag or something like that,

I'd love the superpower to just, like, flick my eyes. And that can, like, flies back into the car. Yeah, what would yours be? Have a great day. what a question uh i think oh man i mean is there anything in just you know whatever someone does they just have they just get the same thing back it just comes back the other way yeah karma just calm wouldn't that just be wild yeah but it's not calm it's not like that karma i guess is more it maybe you know it's it can it can it can manifest in in less exact ways or over long periods of

time or in sometimes people believe in other lives like you know so for some Some people, their idea that, you know, oh, if you've lived like that, you're going to come back as a pebble in someone's garden or whatever. Yeah. Or like if you like negatively comment on somebody's appearance, then you become like automatically grotesque. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, literally. Or just like, you know, she says, if you've littered, you come back home and like you're, there's just like a landfill in your kitchen or like, you know, I mean, just just just immediate understanding of, of the consequence of, you know, what you do. to others you do to yourself but like in a very real immediate way and obviously the worse it gets the worse it gets for you that would be great I feel like I feel like this we've like tried to do a show on justice and it's like ended up being like the most like weird like fantasy show that we've ever yeah strange Lily justice is a fantasy that there's the title just just to see

Just to see. Fantist. Just to see by Lily Allen, out now. The new fragrance by Lily Allen, just to see. Oh my God, wait, I went to a fragrance launch of Puff Daddies many, many years ago. Don't say that. Don't say that on here. It's not cool anymore. Guess what it was called, guess what it was called the fragrance? Baby oil.

No. Unforgivable. I remember sitting at a table with like sugar babes point two point seven and it being like, yeah, the weirdest night of my entire life and Puff Daddy was there talking about his fragrance called Unforgivable. But why would anyone want to smell unforgivable? That's so weird. Like, anyway, let's move on. Okay, well, thank you so much for your justice-related questions

that were oddly confusing at times and unrelated to justice mostly. But I am appreciative nevertheless and really looking forward to your questions next week, which will be on the subject of, well, it's not one subject. It's... Ask Us Anything.

Yes, you heard it right. It's Ask Us Anything. can ask us any questions they will be vetted, so let's not get too personal or ask us anything that obviously we're not going to answer. And yeah, you can send your messages to 08,030, 4090. That's 08,03040, 90. And Makita's back next week. Yeah, that old bird, McKita Oliver is going to be joining me. So we'll be welcoming her back from her Hackney holiday.

Hackney half holiday. I'm going a holiday for two weeks. Where are you going? Dolston. Okay, cool. Listen, if you live in West. Oh, she doesn't even, you know. She doesn't live in West. She lives in the East. I know, sorry, I just realized that. That's ridiculous. Anyway, bless her, little cotton socks. She's coming back and she's going to get asked some questions about anything. So, Jordan, thank you. And when does your play start? I think press night is the 14th of September

Okay I'm going to be away On the 14th of September But I will come back I'll come back and see you How many weeks is it playing for? Till November Oh well yeah I'll be back Okay maybe don't tell me when you're going to come then

So I don't get too nervous and all that On that note Goodbye everybody Lily it's been a pleasure You're a ledge Send my love to your lovely partner I will Who I love

She sends her love And I will see you soon and we will hug. That's the best ending to this show, possible. I'm holding you to that. Okay, literally. Holding me to that. Okay. Bye, everyone.

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