Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Life is Memory

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

Miquita Oliver and Zawe Ashton answer your questions about crying.Next week, we want to hear your questions about THE TELEVISION TEEN DRAMA. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: 08000 30 40 90. Or..., if you like, send us an email: missme@bbc.co.uk.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Oliver Geraghty Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This episode of Miss Me does contain strong language adult themes. And because we're talking about crying, it does get a little bit deep. And upsetting. And upsetting. Important places to visit. Objective is to make you cry. In this very special Zawi Ashton Listen Bitch, the theme is. And Zawi's intention is to make me cry.
Starting point is 00:00:43 That's not going to be fucking difficult, Zawi. I love how easily you cry. You're easy to cry, easy to laugh. And those are my favourite people. That's true. That's true. I do laugh a lot. I do laugh.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Zowie just made me laugh again because she was, we were just talking about, now this is serious. Okay. We're talking about nipple cream. And I don't know anything about it. Is it because of nipples are very sore, post-birth and you chaf with clothes? You can chafe.
Starting point is 00:01:13 I luckily didn't end up chafing, but I had spent, a small fortune on nipple balm. Nipple balm. Nibble balm? It's very, I think, I think it's probably a really important difference. Just in general,
Starting point is 00:01:27 you know, there's creams and bams? Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm a balm person because I get dry skin and I need that lathering sensation. Whereas a cream can be too watery. Also the word, a salve, a balm. Absolutely. And that's what the saw,
Starting point is 00:01:44 I just had a baby nipples so need, a balm. I need a balm, a sal for the soul. But I didn't end up using it, but then I started using it on other areas, including my lips. And then I read about it. And it was like, best kept secret is nipple balm as a lip balm. Oh, right. Okay. This isn't actually something they say not to do that it's actually just a secret.
Starting point is 00:02:07 If you type it into a search engine, I think you would get a lot of like boutiquey kind of beauty articles about it. But it does give you the 80s. I've just started using lip balm. Yeah. Sheen around the lip. Which we think still looks fly, actually. Exactly. She's still here.
Starting point is 00:02:27 She's with us today. She's out here fighting. We are going to talk about crying. Let's have our first question for today's Lissan, bitch. Hello, Megita and Zawi. Crying. This is Christina from Dorset. Just on the note of crying.
Starting point is 00:02:43 I'm a very emotional person that has been. and I don't tend to cry so much when I'm upset I cry more when I'm frustrated and I cry more when I'm really like overwhelmed like whether I'd be happy overwhelmed or sell overwhelmed my question to you guys is when do you find yourself crying the most so recently I completed my own first half marathon I just found this overwhelming urge to burst into tears
Starting point is 00:03:06 and then I finished because I was proud of myself not because I was upset so when do you find yourself crying most take care bye I'm happy she said proud of herself because that's where I was really crying in therapy yesterday and it was because we were trying to hold that. Pride. Why is that so hard to hold?
Starting point is 00:03:26 But I suppose I wasn't crying because it was hard to hold a pride or even a celebration. We were trying to celebrate the last seven years of my life. It was, I think, maybe just getting close to it, getting close to feeling celebratory about the things I've done for myself. Did make me weep a bit. But I think it was because I was close to it.
Starting point is 00:03:45 I was like, oh, it's quite big rather than flippantly going, but this didn't happen and this didn't work out like that and did it, just going, look what you did. It's a release, isn't it? It's a bloody beautiful release. It does feel great to cry. Joy is such a vulnerable place to occupy because it's so much easier to be in the flippant space of like, oh yeah, that was the thing I did
Starting point is 00:04:13 to like open it up and make it a celebration. It is actually harder than being angry. Yeah, of course, of course. Turning to love instead of fear, very hard. What we're talking about, 26, basically the name of 2026. Do you know what? It does feel like that this year, doesn't it?
Starting point is 00:04:32 So many people in my life as well. Like, I have to turn to the love and not the fear, which is the joy instead of the anger. Have to. And that fire horse. damn those flames are licking my face I when do I cry
Starting point is 00:04:48 if only enough I cry a lot at seeing people being proud of themselves unexpected if someone does well on a competition or something on TV and then they're like suddenly proud of themselves and they cry that makes me cry but I think the thing that I cry most about at the moment
Starting point is 00:05:05 I'm just going to put all the motherhood stuff to the side for just a wee second yes I cry a lot at nostalgia at the moment. If I drive through a neighbourhood that I used to like go to as a kid or if there's a song or an atmosphere, nostalgia is like out. It's like an exquisite pain these days. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:05:29 Yeah, I've been spending a lot of time in Labrote Grove, a lot of time, a lot of time just walking around it and I've been seeing quite a lot of aunties and going to just like have teas and coffees with them and just be back where I'm really. really, really, really from. And it makes me feel really emotional. All the time. All the time. I'm like, how is this street still here?
Starting point is 00:05:51 Because this just exists in my memory. It's like, no, you can walk down your memory. Yeah. And that shit does make me feel like I want to cry. Because, you know, you start to think about really tangibility of life. And it's not that tangible. Really, life is just memory. Life is memory.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Honestly, that is my tagline at the moment. Life is memory. And it feels like, I mean, it's your birthday week, so maybe you're feeling this, but it feels like crossing the threshold suddenly into a place where nostalgia, which used to be very comforting, because it was like, ah, those days, like the jokes days. Yeah, SWV hair chill. Yeah, exactly. It was a place you could visit for like jokes, vibes, just like good time feeling. And now nostalgia is a place I can only visit with pain. Maybe just right now? No.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Okay. I think this is who I think this is me now. Until the next cycle. Do you know, until you're like looking back on this big, oh God, what I used to. Until this becomes a memory, exactly. I'll be like crying about Miss me in about three years. Like, okay. I suppose that's what makes us have to be present.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Yes. I just want to talk about the science behind crying because no animal cries, right? Wow. I don't know. They wail. Oh, they do wail, but they don't. I don't know whether they have lacrimal glands. Our producers just told us, Nats just told us that it's very complex with animals crying,
Starting point is 00:07:21 which I imagine it is, and that dogs can cry tears of joy when being reunited with their owner. I feel like an owner wrote that though, right? Like someone who has a dog was like, they only cry when they're reunited with me. I mean, I'm sure they go off and cry at it in other times, actually. It's just an owner with like a little Optrex bottle for the photograph. It's presumptuous. Yeah, quite presumptuous of the owner. It weeps when it sees me again.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Why don't you ask the next question, guest of honour, darling? As the guest of honour, I would like to ask the next caller to ask us about crying. Hi, McKedin, Zawie. My question is, when is the last time you cried on public transportation? What were you feeling? And how did people around you react or, Not react. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Oh, my God. About two weeks ago, Liverpool Street Station. Someone where I looked up and was like, it's too busy here for me to be this upset. Why were you crying? On the phone to my mum about something. I can't remember. But it was really upsetting me.
Starting point is 00:08:30 And I was just like, but mom, oh, yes, I know what it was. What? I got. really triggered back to bankruptcy. It was about three days of miscommunication, but it was enough to spot. I was waking up at three in the morning, cold sweats, shaking.
Starting point is 00:08:48 And I don't really feel like that about much stuff, Zowie. Ouch. I think that's another feature of the firehorse. I'm like, no more lessons. It's good. Yeah, no, no more lessons. I learned them. No more training, yeah?
Starting point is 00:09:01 I've passed. The PhD of fuckery is complete. Of self-work and fuckery. Do you know what I'm saying? Even the idea of you crying is making me cry. Isn't that making me tearful? You're such a bloody empath. I am too empath.
Starting point is 00:09:16 A friend of mine the other day was like, you are so open. And I was like, you used to say that as a compliment. And now it's like, you need to close up a little bit, a little bit. The sea an enemy kind of needs to come inside a little. No, Jim Carrey says, don't let them make you lose your playful open heart. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Don't let it make you lose your playful heart. You cry on the tube. Go ahead. I've been reading a lot about the wounded healer, about the Jungian thing. Obviously, you know, old deceased, straight, white psychologists who we have to think about critically. There's always some nonsense that they were, you know,
Starting point is 00:09:56 practicing as well as some of the pearls of wisdom. But the idea of the wounded healer, where it's like I would love to use this empathic trait, because I do identify as an element. And path. And I do want to turn some of that into myself. Go with the doctorate of fuckery, you know, and look at the wounds and then become a healer who is also acquainted with their own pain.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Wounded self. Wounded self. I don't want to just be out here like, other people are wounded and I'm wounded and I'm crying all the time. Do you know what I mean? I would like a bit of remove, but still keep that part of your heart. alive. Yeah, open as well. Sounds like the balance of becoming a truly great human being. On the bath, on my path. I don't know. When did I cry? I also cried on the tube. A song
Starting point is 00:10:51 came on again, it's the nostalgia thing. I think it was like this song by the drums, the one that starts with a whistle about surfing. I said, Mama, I want to go surfing. And it took me back to a memory of when I first went to L.A. And I was living my kind of surfers, skater, kind of like, just California in life that I thought I would live from the movies that I had watched. This is very, very, a hidden part of your nine lives that I didn't know about. How old are you when you did this? I was like 26.
Starting point is 00:11:31 Post-fresh meat. It was in the. Middle-ish. Okay. And I was riding with like unlaced converse and some cut-off shorts and like a band t-shirt down to the ocean because I was renting this little cabagna by the sea in LA. Not like any of the other people that were doing the LA thing properly as an actor. You were supposed to just be living close to the action and be ready at all times.
Starting point is 00:11:56 But actually this kind of Californian pop punk surfer girl persona kind of took over my brain. And I just ended that record of time. And I thought this is who I am now. And that's okay. And life is ahead of me. And I get to just do it all the ways that I want. Fuck. So actually quite a big explosive moment in your life.
Starting point is 00:12:19 What did you say 26? Sure you weren't 27. Sounds like a bit gearing up for Saturn's return. Maybe I was. Maybe I was. But I was like on the tube listening to that song and reconnecting with that person. And so it was like, it was like that joy and pain. rubbing up next to each other.
Starting point is 00:12:35 I remember the drums. I swear someone got with someone in the drums. I couldn't be sure who. Was that someone you? No, no, no, no. Asking for a friend. No, no, yeah. The drums.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Give me a second. Let's have another question about crying. Yes, please. Hi, McKee. This is Liz, and I'm contacting about this subject in particular because I have cried every day since the end of January when I discovered that my partner, the first partner I've had, where I saw a proper long-term future, where I discovered he was cheating on me. And the relationship ended, and my whole
Starting point is 00:13:22 world fell apart overnight. So yeah, I've cried every day since, from full on sobbing, can't breathe to silently weeping, every iteration in between. And I'm just sick of them. I'm sick of crying. I want it to end. I went to see Lily during this time. And I cried from the minute she stepped onto the stage to the minute she was done.
Starting point is 00:13:45 But it was great. I loved it. It's very therapeutic. Thanks, Lil. But yeah, I'm just sick of crying. And I'm sick of crying for people who hurt me. So if you just got any words for someone who's just, been crying a lot and just wants it to be done.
Starting point is 00:14:03 God, goodness me. One thing I would say, darling, is, unfortunately we can't escape people hurting us. And I've been doing all this work about pain pushing you into other places, which is something Lily taught me actually to caress the pain. And it is the weirdest, most under. unfamiliar head fuck to try and do to yourself when that pain is so acute, betrayal, rejection, you know, feeling like ideas of things are all shutting down when you said you'd seen a future
Starting point is 00:14:42 with this man and feeling like that's all taken from you. There's a real sense of powerlessness in this kind of pain, in a relationship kind of pain. I'm so sorry that you've had to discover something so awful and so sort of like life altering. But there is something in this work I've been doing which has been really freeing me Zawi, which was, we're not actually here to be punished. We're actually not. Shit can be hard.
Starting point is 00:15:13 Like, what am I here to learn from this experience? We were just saying pain and joy. Those fuckers are close together. They are neighbours, cousins, sisters. And on good days, a day of, of crying is not a bad day. I know it's painful, but it's not a bad day. It's your body releasing you a little bit more every time. And on days when you can understand that shadow and light live very closely together, it enables you to understand that you're not just trying to run away from
Starting point is 00:15:46 the shadow and the pain. That's not your job right now in all this pain. Your job is to try and give yourself the balm, like Zahui and I was saying, the balm of knowing that this will not last forever and that you are here to learn something and you will be something else on the other side of this which will always be better and stronger. I agree with you that pain is transcendence in many ways and sometimes the more it hurts the bigger, the lesson that there is to be learned there. And I hear this listener who I really hope and wish is feeling better today than maybe even when she was when she left the message. But I do think if this was your first feeling of future with a partner,
Starting point is 00:16:37 that is an incredible place to have got to in itself. And if that has been taken away, the level of pain that you're experiencing is equal to the lesson that you will learn. And you will go into the second feeling of, this is my future person, with so much more than you have this go around. Exactly. It's going to be even better.
Starting point is 00:17:04 Yeah, man. We have this evidence in our lives, don't we? I also think that, you know, this lady is going through a romantic heartbreak, but I think it can happen in friendships as well. Oh, don't. That's when you're going to get me crying. I don't think we can go there. You're so right.
Starting point is 00:17:24 And it sees like expectations that we build within ourselves that will inevitably be broken and we will inevitably be disappointed. And I think there is something very wrong in our society at the moment that we're able to see people create these lives online, showing them as being in these perpetual states of joy, right? joy in my experience is so fleeting. Fleeting. Good. I thought you'd use the word fleeting. You're like, it's so forever, and I do feel joy all the time. It's so fleeting.
Starting point is 00:18:06 And actually, I think we could benefit as a society from just like appreciating the middle. Like, let's lean into middling. Absolutely. Middling. Let's just understand medium. And that's okay. We don't have to be in this perpetual state of joy because I think it is actually messing
Starting point is 00:18:28 with people's perceptions of that pain when it comes. It's like, but I did the thing that was one plus one equals joy. One plus one equals like minus 76 sometimes in this life. Yeah, it just fucking does. I don't know, this maybe doesn't chime with this person, maybe it does. I have suffered with good girls since. my whole life. I have that Pollyanna, but I did the thing right and the outcome was supposed to be sparkly. And that's conditioning from obviously a very, very formative time. But I think especially
Starting point is 00:19:07 with heartbreak or someone leaving you all this romantic kind of thing, you feel as though I did the thing, I did things right. And so this was supposed to go right. And splitting the responsibility going this belongs to me and this belongs to them is one of my lifelong lessons. So if there is a moment in time where you can go, this is all the expectation and hope and goodness that I put into this person and they've fucked it, basically. This is also their stuff over there that is away from me that I could not control and they will live with through multiple relationships after me.
Starting point is 00:19:48 This isn't a me problem. a Louisa El-Haye, babe. Louisa El-Hay all the way, the art of detachment and the rest. I'm almost treating some of the things that have happened in my life like a game, turning them into something else. And then it's not a game because you're becoming
Starting point is 00:20:06 and you're not just talking at something like, I want to stop crying. Of course you do, babe. Of course you do. But that will come. That will come. It will come. You will fucking laugh again.
Starting point is 00:20:18 And he betrayed you. with someone. So did you ever really have the true hymn? You kind of just need to say, bye-bye. So, so, later's. So, goodbye. I'm, you know, watching a lot of, like, Disney classics at the moment.
Starting point is 00:20:37 And obviously, the music is beyond rousing. And there is a line in Frozen that let it go, the temple song of that movie, which is, I'm too released. to grieve. She does not say that. That is so deep. Hold on a minute.
Starting point is 00:20:57 We need to be listening to these songs really carefully. Okay, rewind. I do love the lyrics to that song, by the way. Like, let it go in a Disney film. That is great work that I had to find out in my mid-30s. But this is interesting, isn't it? Yes, this, God, they're clever, Disney.
Starting point is 00:21:17 They're clever. There's also, like, parentheses, problematic things in the Disney. Disney World. And then we also, we think critically about it, but we then also lean into the artistry. And they are very profound lyrics. Profound lyrics, but also, it's so cool to, like, this lady, Liz is telling us that, like, I want to stop crying. It's painful, right? But there is also a part of you that feels like, I should be over this. To have all this emotion is, is, you know, silly, embarrassing,
Starting point is 00:21:43 shameful. And Elsa in Frozen is, is, is, they're literally saying, like, to show your emotions is dangerous. You best believe this is going to be the best, most important crying of your life. Yes. It is not dangerous to show your emotions. I can feel the wet pillow in front of my face from those days of the heartbreak crying. It hurt your ribs. Do you know what I mean? Like the racking sobs. You'll never forget this time. And that is actually a good thing. And one day you will know that and feel that and live that. I think it's important to say also that we did make sure that we contacted Liz to see if she was okay and if we could help her in any more ways and she has let us know she's surrounded by good people,
Starting point is 00:22:27 good support system. And if you are really, really struggling with something, it is so important to reach out to the people around you and do ask for help, the help that you may need. We all need help. Okay, I've given you one cry. That's enough for part uno. Let's go and have a break.
Starting point is 00:22:45 I'm sure I'll find a reason to cry in part two. Welcome back to Listen, bitch. Zowie is weaponising my Pisces moon. And I'm all for it. You know what I mean? Use my emotional river. Let's have another question. Hi guys.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Hope you're all doing well. I've been listening in from Sydney, Australia. I was wondering if you've ever realized while you were crying. The reason you thought you were crying wasn't actually the real one. I feel like sometimes the explanation sort of shifts even in the moment like you start off thinking it's about one thing and then something else quietly comes up underneath it and if it has happened did that realization kind of change anything for you afterwards oh the sneaky second cry the sneaky second wave that's the fucker that is the real fucker
Starting point is 00:23:47 the first wave is like you know I'm here I'm announcing myself yeah you're sad and then the second wave is like... The second wave is the real one. It's all broken. Can you remember a time where you have thought that you were crying out something and then really were crying about the real thing? I would like to know, I know we don't want to make it too motherhood based and you are so many other things. But what does make you cry the most in motherhood? You're crying at the Disney film. You're crying at the music. You're crying at them sleeping. You're crying at them doing cute. So it's concert crying.
Starting point is 00:24:20 interestingly in parenting the first and second instinct is something that I explore all the time because you are so many moments in the day overriding your first instinct I think as a parent you're like my first instinct is coming from the past and the problematic place that I'm trying to rewrite the history from yeah it's actually really funny funny things on Instagram I've seen about this when your child's acting up and you want to be like what the, good, hello! You've made a beautiful drawing on my white dress. So within parenting, you can learn a lot more about reaction.
Starting point is 00:25:02 You can learn a lot more about reaction and cycle breaking. That first and second instinct and how they inform each other. So in terms of the question, sometimes I will be crying as though it's the live thing that's happening. and then I will so often have to go behind it and go, this is actually so much more to do about you and your own stuff. See, that's why I want to have kids, because that is a gateway into knowing yourself in such a fucking intense way,
Starting point is 00:25:34 and I am interested in a life where I get to know myself in that deep, layered under the layer way. And I think motherhood is a huge gateway to that. Fucking hell. God, that is so true. It does actually do that. But again, it's like what we were saying before on the other episode, it's like sometimes you're crying thinking this is me today crying. And it is your inner child bawling their eyes out and you are literally a receptor in that moment.
Starting point is 00:26:04 Fuck it. That's my main first and second tier crying. Sometimes I'm like, I'm an adult and it's really hard. And then I'm like, I'm a lost child who has no fucking idea. how to be safe and in the world. And I am so, and I am trying so hard to make everything okay. No, and the shock of that,
Starting point is 00:26:27 the shock that child is still so vulnerable within. It's like, oh shit. Right, I must be your mother. Yeah, that's it as well. You have to mother the child within. That's what I do now. That's a new thing. I see you doing that.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Very much, mothering the child within. Let's have a final. question for this episode, which we might call mothering the child within, possibly. We might. Hi, my name is Emma and I live in Glasgow in Scotland. And I wanted to know what songs make you cry the most. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry. First, top my head, Jeff Buckley. Oh, which one? Which one? All of them? Anything from Grace. Anything from Grace. Probably more lover you should have come over. Oh, you should have come over.
Starting point is 00:27:24 That's a hold yourself, cry. When I had my first ever breakup with my darling Jasper, he dumped me in New York on the Millennium. Oof. And sent me home, sent me back to London. Horrible breakup. But we became very good friends after this break. I mean, he sadly passed away.
Starting point is 00:27:42 I've talked about Jasper a lot and missed me. But he, when I came home, I was, a fucking wreck. I guess I was 14, 15. And my mum said, you need to just put on this album and listen to it and cry. And I was like, okay.
Starting point is 00:27:57 And it was Otis Redding. And I just, even now, try a little tenderness. I just remember the pain of that 14 year old girl. Again, it's the memories. It just, and you know what? In a weird way,
Starting point is 00:28:12 music is so great for heartbreak because that shit's coming out anyway. So you might as well dance in the tunes of people talking about you are not alone. I've been through this. My name is Aaron Neville. And I told this woman, you know, if you want something to play with, then find yourself a toy. Like, you know what I mean? Like all these reminders that like men, women from the 60s through to the naughties have also felt this acute pain.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Something very unifying about music within going through heartbreak for sure. What's your heartbreak songs? Go on. It's all that is. It's music. music is all. The soundtrack to those tears is actually the one, isn't it? So many are coming to Miami again. They're in such a nostalgic space. I'm thinking, REM, night swimming, Mazzie Star fade into you.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Oh my God. Massive attack, tear drop. When a song about tears makes you cry. Is that meta? Is that something else? Is that a sad song? I don't even think so. It's just enough. Nostalgia and memory to really, all of those songs are actually super nostalgic. Memory triggers for me. Desiree kissing you. The child in 90s Romeo and Juliet, brothers and sisters, do we know the name of the song?
Starting point is 00:29:35 Brothers and sisters together will make it through the kid in the choir. You are the greatest, miss me, sidepiece we could ever have. Me and Lily sang that on stage at Miss Me Live. Brothers and sisters together We'll make it through. I started singing it to one of my kids at bedtime the other day and I was making myself sob. May you guys a weep at bedtime by singing.
Starting point is 00:30:08 That's amazing. This is why actors should never become parents. I was like, I'm so moved. But I was like, where did that come from? It's when the songs come out that you are suddenly coming from the caverns of your emotional life in the moment when you're trying to sue the child. And you're like, I guess that's baked into the absolute nervous system. I'd forgotten about that song.
Starting point is 00:30:36 And then the question was, it was like a last minute thing. I said, why don't we do what song would you play to make me cry? And we both played each other a song. And mine wasn't very good and I always think I should have done this one. And then Lily put that one on and I was like, you know me so well.
Starting point is 00:30:50 And I have to tell you, being at Hackney Empire and singing that song with the boys' beautiful vocals and the audience singing it back word for word when no one knew it was going to come up was a moment in my life. I will never forget. It was beautiful.
Starting point is 00:31:03 That is beautiful. And it is again, what we're saying about the nostalgia factor sometimes just getting you in the gut where you understand understand so much more now than you did as the person who first encountered that, that cultural moment.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Like, I can see that beautiful young singer, I don't know, an actor or singer, I can see his quivering lips in the movie singing that. Done. Watching that film, having no idea about what's to come. Yeah, that's it. That has touched me in a way that I don't understand yet. Yeah. and that just for some reason things will always be a bit different now.
Starting point is 00:31:45 That part. It's that, isn't it? It's like, oh, everything's just changed. Okay. Okay, boys to men, end of the road. Okay, everything in my life has just changed. Because I heard that, because I've heard that song now. I was listening to a shuffle, and I can't remember the name of the artist,
Starting point is 00:32:03 but the theme tune to Dawson's Creek came on. And James Vanderbeek's passing and that song and the next song and the name of the artist. nostalgia and being young and now being older and that cultural moment and that grief and that it was like 360 degree wrap around. I bet. That was exactly how I felt. Yeah, man. Me and Jordan talked about it and John was like, oh, I don't really remember Dawson's
Starting point is 00:32:28 Green. I was like, I don't want to wait. And he was like, yeah. I mean, that was like, yeah. Life enhancing when that song came on. It was like Dawson's Creek is on. And they talk like Adolf. They talk like adults and we can't wait to be adults.
Starting point is 00:32:45 And then you're like, oh, okay, sorry. Can I just rewind a minute and go back to the day, not adulting days? But also music that has, which was the era that we grew up in of the 90s of those incredible TV show theme tunes. But also just when songs had a lot of filler, like, nah, na, na, nah, nah, do you know what I mean? Like, oh la la la. There was a lot of songs in the 90s of just. Yeah, yeah. It was very much just an energy.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Beautiful filler. Yeah. But you used to see. Well, what are the other, we will do. Do you know what? Because we're here now, we could do, yeah, like television teen dramas. Because we got such good ones. Because we're, you know, the OC, even.
Starting point is 00:33:31 California. And then we can also sing all the songs. Oh my God. So let's do it. Let's do the next week's listen bitch is. Television, Teen. Dramers. Are we committing to this?
Starting point is 00:33:47 Are we doing this? Amazing. The television teen drama. Can we add to the? The television teen drama. Let's do this. Let's absolutely do this. Let's bathe in nostalgia and get you crying on an episode that's got nothing to do
Starting point is 00:34:01 a crying. That's very miss me. I feel like it will just generally segue into the 90s. Yeah. What a way to start the day. There's something really that I learn about myself, sometimes when I'm talking to you, which is like, you know, like feeling bottling? No.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Like in life, you just need to bottle feelings so that you can go back to those bottles and make sure that you are on your right path or you are following your North Star. You're like, does it feel like that bottled feeling? Wow. I didn't know that, but that's good. I totally, I always bottle the feeling when I talk to you. Oh, because there's so much authenticity, like effervescence, joy, intrigue, like, like I love how you listen
Starting point is 00:34:44 and it affects how I talk so I'm going to just bottle the feeling and put this on a shelf so I can get it later. Is this the bit where you're trying to make me cry again? Is this working? So when I'm having a dry conversation where I'm like, this doesn't feel authentically me, I must leave the situation and go to my shelf
Starting point is 00:35:05 and uncork the Makita's Ari chats. Love that. It's like the best compliment I've ever out of my life. Okay. You get back to that crazy life of yours And I will see you next week We've dragged you in for two weeks, guys We will see you next week
Starting point is 00:35:20 Can't wait So the theme for next week's Listen bitch is the television teen drama And the phone number to call Is 08,000, 30, 40, 90, obviously We will see you then Miss you already I bet you do
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