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Episode Date: April 13, 2026

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the complete series 1 to 5 wherever you get your audio books. The following episode contains strong language, adult themes and continuous mention of mental health, conditions, disorders, etc. So this week's listen bitch is hoarding. That's what I'm saying. It is hoarding. It absolutely is. This is something that Jordan wanted to discuss.

Suggested by me. Yes, something suggested by you. I'm not really a hoarder. We have to be clear about the specific time hoarding because there is a I guess with what we'd say, clinical disorder, a recognised disorder where hoarding is a compulsion,

you know, obsession, incredibly difficult to overcome, deal with, Handel. And just to be clear, even though some of these questions might involve that and then me and Mickey would have to try to do our best to answer it, we have proposed this idea

of like the more casual colloquial interpretation of hoarding, which is that people who struggle, to let things go. Exactly. Let's dissect and discuss. Yeah. Let's have our first question.

For today's lesson, bitch. Hey, Macita and Jordan. It's Chris in the Northwest, big fan of the podcast. Love you both. Jordan. I think you're incredible male role model. I'm currently in the process of moving house.

I spend the whole weekend, Bank Claudia weekend packing, putting stuff into boxes. And I'm going through stuff that I've not looked at in 10 years since I last moved. and it made me think is this stuff that I've accumulated over my life

is this rubbish it's stuff that has meaning to me but hasn't been to anyone else when I go it'll just go straight in the bin what's the difference I guess my question is what's the difference between

important items that mean something to me and clutter and junk if I've not looked it in 10 years should I just throw it away at what point does an inanimate object that has no value become valuable? Yeah.

Well, exactly, because really hoarding is just because I was talking to our mutual friend who is always saying, I'm just doing a massive clear out of everything. And I'm like, okay, again, okay? Yeah. And when I've been to her house, she is a, let's just say, massive, dedicated keeper of memories. She's got every bloody backstage pass, every festival that she's worked at, every set.

It's quite extraordinary. And she was telling me, she's like, yeah, but my mom is such a hoarder. And I was like, no, you're a hoarder. And she was like, oh, so she had no understanding of it. So I do think that it's hard to see yourself as a hoarder and not just a keeper of memories. I think there's that, who was that woman who went, it was got famous. She has a Netflix show or it was just YouTube. She's called like Mary.

Marie Condo. Right. And her rule was what, like, if it feels good, when you, you. you see it or look at it, then keep it. But then obviously the issue with hoarders. If it sparks joy. Yeah, with sparks joy, right. But then the issue is like for somebody who, because for clarity,

my mom is definitely someone who struggles to let go of things. And yes, she keeps incredible things from when I was like a teenager or a child. I'm like, wow, it's mad that we still got this. That's interesting. Because Emma's like not materialistic in any way, I wouldn't think. That's different. Materialistic is different. Yeah, I suppose so.

That's somebody who's like actively trying to. accumulate more by buying. Her thing is like, I guess she's accumulated through experiencing, but then not let go of, like, my mum will struggle to let go of, like, a plate. Yeah, but Garfield and mum have bowls of, like, keys to flats. We lived in 40 years ago. I'm like, why do you need this key? It's like, because something's got to go on this bowl of junk.

It's like, okay. The thing that I'm struck, that I empathise with Chris here is, like, I did this recently. So I changed, actually, it's really cool. I meant to tell you about this. I cleared my garage out. in my house and there was like so much shit there like like so much stuff like furniture that almost got made like at one point of the Rizzle Kicks uh storage units like got sold or not not not like the stuff in it but like the unit itself didn't wasn't a storage unit anymore so

they needed like an immediate place to dump everything so I had all this like old Rizzle Kicks merch and like stage designer like half a drum kit yeah it's like all this stuff and then like loads of boxes from my flat because like I then rented my flat out so like all this this stuff was there. And then when I was going, putting stuff into the skip, when you see it, you then build something. But if I hadn't have looked at this stuff, I'd never would have known it existed. I would have just assumed I'd lost it. But then I've seen it and now I have to make the decision. And now you're attached to it again. Yeah. Now that you've seen it. Right. See, that's difficult. Memorabilia. It's almost like the trolley problem in a weird way.

What's the trolley problem? The trolley problem is like there's a train track and the train is heading straight for five people who are strapped to this track. But you, you know, you're you have a pulle lever and if you pull it, it redirects the train to just take out one person. What a horrible fucking horrible. But the reason why it's an interesting ethical dilemma is because mathematically you would think it would make more sense obviously to avoid the five and hit the one. But by you pulling the lever, you are actively deciding to take out one person. Yeah.

And why? Right. So just to try to rein this in a bit. The reason why I say it's like that is because it's like, I fantasize sometimes about somebody else just burning everything that I can't see.

Take it out. Yeah, just out. Like someone just came in and just took this shit out. If I can't see it, then I'm just like, yeah. But the second I lay my eyes on it, I feel like I'm killing those things. Yeah, so how would you feel?

Let's say, God forbid, there was a terrible fire in this garage. Yes. And someone said, you know, all your Rizzle kicks, memorabilia, everything is in there. How would you genuinely feel? Relieved.

Right. Remember. Well, listen, look, there's obviously some things I can remember, right? But if I'm being brutally honest, a lot of stuff I would only build a relationship with once I saw it again. I wouldn't be able to tell you that it was there. If someone said to me, we had the first t-shirt you wore on stage at whatever and it burnt in this fire, I would be grieving something I didn't know existed until 20 seconds before, like, do you know what I'm saying? Right. Like, for instance, I had to throw out the dress that I hosted the mobos in, like 15. years ago. And I was like, I'm not going to forget that I, like now it's not something I want in my career, but at the time it was a huge deal. And I threw out the dress because I don't need that dress to remind me that I did that. Yeah.

But I guess the reason I've kept it for all these years is because I believe that I did. If I throw that away, I'll forget I did that. You don't, I think your ideas of attachment need to be confronted. Yes. Like when I had to evacuate my flat last year, I was like, I don't have stuff to throw out. threw out 15 bags of shit. I think this is one of the sneaky reasons why people enjoy being on holiday as well. It's because you really only have a suitcase or two.

Jordan, that's you. You've seen how I pack for our holidays and I've seen now. You bring like a rucksack. Yeah. But it's like, well, I feel light. I feel like, damn, I could do this for a long time. You know, just live off these things. We could all just do a Tracy M in and just take a picture of everything and then throw

it away. And then burn it. Yeah. That if there's one advantage of the digital world, it's that you don't have to physically have anything in the material world, really. What was Chris's actual question that? Like, when do you know when it's, I guess the Marie Condu thing of Spark Joy, sure. I think what I've done is just gone, fuck it, I'm throwing it, and then realizing an hour later, there's no way I'm ever going to miss that thing.

You kind of got to do the action first and be brave enough. Do you think there's a part of us that needs to know that it's not just being thrown away? Yes, I mean, that's why I love charity shops. That's why I take all my clothes of charity shops. because I'm like some lady is going to wear this dress I wore on T4 to like a wedding one day. And that's kind of cool. I'm just trying to think if there's any clothes here that have like deep, deep sentimental value. No, not really. But I mean I'd be devastated if I lost anything.

Let's have another question. Yeah. Let's have another question. Hey, guys. It's Juliet from Brighton. Love the podcast. Love both of you. Hoarding is very top of my mind right now.

I'm currently back at my parents' house for Easter having a very big clear out. I had no idea how much random stuff I'd accumulated. Got about 14 bags full of stuff I'm going to be taking to charity shops, although I can actually hear my mum going back through them now and taking things out to keep. So you can see where I get it from. But yeah, I found all sorts of things, including a ribbon on a stick from when I saw Rizzle Kicks in Hyde Park in 2012 for the Olympics. Yeah, the one thing I can't seem to part with is a box set of.

of Roll-Dile books that I just adored as a kid. There's even an insert at the front of one of them where I ranked all of the books. Yeah, I'm 28 now. They've been sitting in the back of my wardrobe for 20 years. But I just can't seem to part with them. It feels like I'd, I don't know, be betraying my younger self. But yeah, I wondered what you guys think it is

that makes us hang on to use this things like this. And also if you guys have anything in particular that you just can't seem to part with, but have no useful. Thanks. I have so many things to say in response to lovely Juliette's question. Firstly, high park, yeah, Olympics. Yeah, mate. I've got an Olympic torch.

Wow. Yeah, mate. Carried it in Eastbourne. That was top of the world. Like, high park. Yeah, but we weren't in the opening ceremony. Thanks, Danny Boyle. Yeah, but still, you were part of it by the adjacentness. We were part of the mobile tour. Yeah, yeah, you were. I just, you know what I mean? It would have been nice to be on the sugar babes level. Sure, sure.

But it was early doors. To be fair, it was 2012. We'd only been around for a year. Do you know what I mean? You're lucky that you got the call. It's a pretty massive call. Yeah, yeah. We've been around for literally one year. So she's got some of your Rizzle Kicks memorabilia.

See, that's what I mean? Burn the place down. There's people all over the country holding Rizzle Kicks memorabilia for you. Yeah, yeah. It's an odd one. I think books I get, but I just find books so satisfying as a concept that, like, I feel like if there was any bit of stuff that people ended up struggling with, I think books is a great.

Well, also easy to recycle, if need be. I feel like you can do loads of books. But I don't think you should throw out books. Phoebe, when she moved into her own new flat, got rid of a lot of books, a lot. And she was like, I don't want books in my house if I've read them.

And I was like, but isn't the point that you have books around you that you've read to remind you of the things you learnt from them? You can pass along books. Like, people give me books. I see someone and go, you should read this. It's a vibe.

Actually, can we put children's books on Listen, bitch? Yeah. Holly McNish mentioned, please, Mrs. Butler the other day on Instagram. And I literally was, teleported, transported back to my child mind. Like, God damn, that was a good poetry book. I do think you are doing a disservice to your childhood

by throwing out children's books. I don't know, man. I just think, like, people would be happier with less stuff, but obviously life revolves around stuff. It's true, it does. For me, one of my main issues is I still struggle to say no to free things. And nowadays, I get offered free things. And I just think, oh, well, what if I don't get offered it again?

And then I realize I have to, I think I need to have more of like a, one in one out vibe. Yeah, that's good. And that's actually a really nice way to live. That's like cyclical. One in one out. I would say, don't de hoard with a hoarder.

Because when I was leaving my last flat, my mum came around. I'd done really well. I was like eight bags to go. And I've been really like, you don't need this jumper. You don't need another navy blue jumper from a territ shop with holes in it.

And then my mum came around, so picking through like, this girl's mom was doing, and being like, Are you sure you're going to give that away? And the minute you're double questioned, you're like, actually, maybe I should keep it. But then I was like, no, you're just a hoarder coming in to my de-hording energy. It doesn't work.

It kind of goes against each other. So I'm trying to stay as far away as you can from the hoarder when de-hording. And remember, not all hoarders know their hoarders. Remember that. Yes. Yes. I feel like there's balance in there. There's got to be a middle here.

And I think it's, because I'm just imagining in my head, I think, well, if I did just leave everything and have like a backpack. There's something beautiful in certainly like the colors of a home, the light of a home, the feeling of a home, obviously the whole nesting thing. There's, there's something obviously deeply spiritual about that concept. Otherwise we wouldn't be so attached to it. Tired to it. Yeah. So I think the opposite is kind of unappealing as well to be like, but I think somewhere in the middle where it's like maybe everything is transient. We can have things around us if they bring us joy, but like if they go, that's fine. Actually, what am I talking about? When I was on the sofa and I'd left a three version flat to be on the sofa with a rail with like 10 things on

them and like a few of my books and some of my tarot cart I was like fucking hell and then within an hour I was like oh yeah like who am I without all this shit and I did seven and a seven months and guess what I was still me without all my without my 12 mini skirts it was like oh and did you feel free yeah I did feel free I mean obviously I was shocked and scared a lot of that time but I did feel free. I did. It was nice to know that you like things, but one, it's not defined by them. I think that's important. Why don't you ask for another question, Jordan?

Let's get into this messy room. Let's really clear out the drawers. Another question, please. Hi, Makita and Jordan. Just seen that this week's theme is hoarding. A lot of people don't appreciate that hoarding is one of the many symptoms of OCD. One of my biggest frustrations is people think that OCD is only about being tidy. I know people are being misdiagnosed because they've had messy houses. I had a diagnosis of

OCD years ago in 2003. Thankfully, as I've learned to deal with it, I've got a lot better. But one of the things that quite physically held me back was I have not been someone that's moved house very often. So I was in one house for 10 years. I got an attic that got completely full. And it was only when I moved into a house with limited storage that that actually helped me. So I guess my question to you guys is through necessity of your work, I'm guessing you guys move around quite a lot. Do you think that has prevented or influenced whether you hoard or don't hoard and do you hoard or don't hoard? Love the podcast. Oh, and it's Lucy and I live in a small village in South Melbourne.

And thanks, bye. Thank you, Lucy. It's a lovely little bit of information at the end that you know I'm sitting here waiting for. I'm happy that you're in your beautiful village. I've actually moved a lot, nothing to do with work is because I don't know, a scatty bitch. I don't know. I've, as you know, Jordan lived in like 22 flats. And so, yes, I suppose that has enabled me to continuously clear, let go and move on because you're always moving into a new space. Like my cousins are moving, Theo and Sasha are moving. You know,

they live at Alfie's house, Lily's brother Alfie. And they've lived there because Theo and Alfie obviously best friends since they were born. And they've lived there for like nine years, but like Theo lived there with Alfie in our 20s. So, He has been in this house for all his, like, all his, like, raging 20s, having a family and raising his child and being married. So I'm like, it's just so time for you to leave that flat, and they finally are leaving. And they can't get really their head around this idea of, like, moving. And you and I are very used to that process of like, right, next place.

I'm the opposite. I'm a nomad, for sure. You're very good at moving. And I think you should, you know, you brought that up the other day. And I think you should think about, like, people like Nana and Cameron, they've had really successful careers and they've managed to have big, beautiful, homes all around the world. But they cannot stop. They like cannot stop moving. They can never settle and it's just part of who they are. I used to, I guess before having that kind of revelation that

being a nomad was just a way of being. I think I used to feel like it was a shortcoming of mine or something that I wasn't able to feel rooted or connected to one fixed place. Like whenever I travel, like occasionally, like for practical reasons, like maybe I didn't pack a thin enough jacket or something like that would bug me. But if I, whenever I, whenever I'd travel, like, whenever I'd travel, like, But if I actually had all the things I needed utility-wise, I don't think much about other stuff. As long as I can read and write, I'm happy. And the environment.

Yeah, all you need truly, I think, to be happy would be like a notepad, pen, shorts, shoes. Yeah. And what are those things that everyone used to have? A yo-yo. No, like the thing that would have like a switchblade on it, a key on it. Oh, a Swiss Army knife. A Swiss Army knife.

and you'd be ready to go, my friend. Yeah, I need a tiny bit more, maybe. A laptop. And a laptop. Spoken like a true traveller, had I need my laptop. Well, some form, it doesn't have to be,

it could be a tablet, some form of, some way I can write on the go. Yeah, maybe a typewriter. Yeah, it's just, yeah, sure. I saw it's a nice typewriter the other day, actually. And also shout out her for specifying the OCD element of hoarding.

Yeah, I definitely feel like, more able to yeah, get up and go. I do, I agree. That's what was our point and I can do that. The answer is yes. Yes.

That's a really long way to get to. Yes. Should we have a little break? Should we push some things into a corner? Get some air. Yeah. Dive into the bonkers world of David Mitchell and Robert Webb

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Let's have another question. Go on. Hi, Georgian and Makita. Few winds in on Easter Sunday and loving the podcast always have done from the beginning. On the subject of hoarding, I wonder if you can hoard in some areas of your life but not in others. So I won't hoard at home. In fact, my husband and myself often will throw things out and then a month later be like, didn't we have one of those?

We need it now and it's gone. But I'm also a teacher that will. hoard everything as in I literally have a pile of cardboard to do something with, but I don't know what yet. So do you think you can be a hoarder in some areas of your life, but not in others? Love the podcast. Love you both. Could not be more profound. Think you're amazing. Love you bye. That's my first merry voice note on Miss Me. You sound like really having the Easter Sunday that you needed. I'm happy for you. I do. I'm with her on scrap material.

facts. I've kept scrap material. My grandma was a primary school teacher. Yeah, so she always had like eight different pieces of coloured card. With ADHD, okay, this is actually a good crossover. If we're going to go on from the previous listeners question, when she spoke about a misunderstanding of OCD, there's an unfortunate crossover between a more casual hoarding and ADHD clutter because with ADHD I found,

and I saw someone else say this and I was like, wow, I didn't realize that was a thing. If I haven't tended to something immediately, it turns invisible. Like what? So like when I went back to my house this weekend, I bought this coat stand that you got to like put together, right? It's really cool.

Lovely colour matches the house. And I remember now when I saw it that like when I bought it, the next day I was like, I've got to hit that coat stand straight away. otherwise, you know, otherwise it's going to be there. So I started trying to do it. And I'm confident enough to say in my 30s now, I'm very apt and gifted in certain areas.

I can remember loads of stuff. I have an amazing capacity for knowledge and I'd thirst for it, right? Yeah. However, there are some really, really basic things in life that just baffle me, brother. Are you not very handy? No, no, no, no, I can be handy,

but it has to be like, if one thing on the instructions, sends me. And this happened in school, for example, with written tests. If the answer was written with any form of like abstraction to my brain, I would answer and I would sometimes put out whole winding answers that made no sense because I had misinterpreted the question. So that happens with instructions.

If someone is physically showing me something, then I'll probably be able to reenact it. You know what I mean? So what you're telling us is you couldn't put this coat stand together. So I couldn't put it together in the first day. I went to the house the other day. that the parts of the coach stand were lent against the door. They'd been lent against the front door for seven years.

Oh my God. I'm not kidding. I've looked there. I'm on the sofa. I'm going, fuck me. Is that that that coach stand? How is that, is that that fucking coat stand?

Why don't you just get someone like a task rabbit to just come and get it done? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Would it make sense. I'm not there anymore, am I? But it still is. Yeah, it still is. But in my head, I think, You know, it would be a waste to...

I actually think now I've lost one of the most important screws as well. So it's like, it really is fucked. Now I'm just got three bits of, like, painted metal. It really is fucked now. Okay. So I'm just saying that the hoarder, it crosses over into cluttering where I'll look at something and go, I'll do that at some point. And then it just disappears.

So it looks like I'm hoarding something, but I just can't see it. I wouldn't be able to look at that coat stand because I cannot bear clutter. And that's because I come from parents who love clutter. It makes them feel good. Makes them feel safe because they cannot get enough of it. I don't see it anywhere. I don't see it anywhere.

I don't see other people's houses. Just not bothered. What? You don't see clutter? I just don't care. I don't care. I don't care. If I went to a friend's house that it was messy,

I literally wouldn't give a fuck. The only time I've ever been rattled was one time I bought some gym equipment on gum tree and I went to this guy's house and I just couldn't around. I never used the equipment. I tried to sage it. I had never been into a space that had such little attention given.

So any form of nesting, there was barely any rooms. So barely any room had an identifiable role. There was no living room. There was just obviously a kitchen because there was a fucking sink, but it would be difficult to tell. There was no paint on the walls. The walls, barely even had any plaster. But there were just piles and piles of like microwaves.

Well, this is probably quite a good time to bring into the idea of collecting. Because, you know, would we call someone who, like, A button collector, would we call them a hoarder? Yeah, that's a really interesting question, actually. What's the difference? When does a collection become hoarding? It's funny that we are very quick to specify hoarding with everything other than money. Well, you know.

One of the biggest issues in society is the normalisation of hoarding, disgusting amounts of wealth. Right. We see that as a consequence of capitalism. Right. Okay. That's interesting. That's quite a bit. I was just thinking, my nan or her generation are like,

why do you use banks? You should just hoard your money under the bed. I wonder if it's based on what you're collecting as well. I remember my friend lived with this guy for about eight months, and he was a collector of, like, terrifying, ugly little creatures. Do you know what's massive at the moment with adults, adult men? Actually, not just men, but mainly adult men. Pokemon.

That is based on collecting, isn't it? It's fascinating, Keats. I'm in a YouTube hole. What, the emotional attachment that people have with these fucking cards. No, but they're flipping them, man. Some of these cards have like a 10 times return value. They call it raw. By the way, Harley does this.

So like he's giving me the load down on this. You can buy like a raw card for like 400 pounds, by the way. And then you send it off to a place that grades it. And if you get it graded, that 400 pound card can be £4,000. pound. I know, but I just don't care. I just cannot with the Pokemon world. Here's how I could engage you with with Pokemon, right, in a way where like there are different artists that draw the Pokemon, for example. Oh. So if you look at it like that, like some people will collect a particular artist's Pokemon card. So it's not, it's not just like

meaningless like, oh, this is a da-da-da-da-da. Obviously there are other things where it's like shiny and all this kind of stuff, but it's like international. So Japanese cards, different eras and then like and then ultimately different artists so for example like if you don't have a holographic card you might have a card where it's like for that particular card it's been designed in a whole different way that is more interesting that element of collecting has always existed i wonder is that it does feel like a more of a male thing though is that like a female equivalent i mean there are loads of women who do collect Pokemon cards for sure i see i watched them on youtube but what was that tv show now aggie and sam kim and aggie that's it aggie and kim and it was how

clean as your house. This show was massive. This show flew. And essentially they would go to really quite unbelievably neglected homes and clear all the shit out and then like clean it, clean it. So I found it really satisfying. But I think within that I saw quite a lot of like what a household that has had hoarding within it really looks like. So look, no, but this is really, I find this fascinating. My question was, is there gendering to collect and hoarding, right? This is according to psychiatrists, you know, it's like it collects all these things.

Women are more likely to hoard items related to daily domestic life, personal care, clothing, sentimental objects. Men seem to be more likely to hold tools, electronics, hobby-related items or materials kept for potential future utility, right? Where did you get this? The 1950s? Women like clothes, men like tools. Yeah, sure.

Listen, it might be wrong. I'm just saying, like, studies suggest women may engage in higher rates of compulsive shopping or acquiring free items, which again, this is just what I'm reading. Men often rationalised their accumulation as functional. But why that's interesting is that then comes with a high level of shame for women who have an expectation of keeping a tidy home. Whereas with men, they seek help later because there is that same expectation, which ties into what I said about going around to that spot in Gumtree, wherever.

Right? Because he might not even recognise it as a thing because there's not that expectation. But this is really interesting. research suggests males are more likely to engage in collecting behaviour, often driven by a desire to systemise or build a collection that can function as a hobby. That is interesting to me. That is the idea of like systemising hoarding. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. That's sort of like categorising and organising. Yeah. But the sweeping generalisations, that's a collation of like maybe six different studies. And I think like there's obviously nuance. But I do find it interesting because what is that you're right? It's a great question, you know. that when does the collection become a hoard?

Are you just rationalising a hoarding obsession by saying it's a collection? It's interesting. Collect the hoard. Shall we have a final question? Hi guys, it's Kylie from Oxfordshire. I had to get in touch when you said the subject was going to be hoarding because I've got a massive issue with it.

But having had my ADHD and ASD diagnosis in my sort of mid to late 30s, I think that I can contribute to this rather than just me being useless and chaotic. It's come to our head recently and I've had a massive clear out of items that I have owned and not sorted for 20 plus years. And I have just the last two weeks listed over 250 items on Vinted, which is great for me and the recycling. But my question was, how old is the oldest piece of clothing or furniture or something that you've held on to for no reason, not sentimental value, not because it's personal and you want to keep it, just because you can't bring yourself to get rid of it.

I say I've got rid of some clothes that are 20 years old. People have paid me for them, which is lovely. But yeah, it's an issue. Anyway, love the pod, as does everyone. And thanks so much. Hello, that's so sweet. Love the pod, as does everyone. That's very sweet me to say, thank you.

I'm just looking around. And obviously, I did a big clear out. So there's nothing that I would have kept in that sentimental way. So the oldest thing I probably have is a white shirt that my grandma, My mom gave me that is Uncle Sean's. And obviously because Uncle Sean passed away when he was so young, it's very, very, very precious. But I think I've been pretty good. I mean, I've got an old Christopher Kane dress that I hosted Tifa on the beach in when I was 23.

That's quite fun looking at that. God. And that's probably nearly 20 years old. So yeah, that's quite old. I feel like I still have the amethyst crystal that my mum had on my crib. Oh, my God. You need to wear that around your neck. No, it's too big.

Oh, is it huge? Wow. They're not huge. It's like an amethystus, like you hold it like that. That's special. Do you know what's mad? My mum gave me a printout of my original birth chart that was made in like the first week that I was born. Wow. Do you want to know what's really weird about it?

And again, the skeptics and I welcome skeptics because I can't remember everything that was on this birth chart. But I remember reading it back about 10 years ago. And it specifically said, Jordan will end up working. with women. No way. In a birth chart. This was like the week I was born. It wasn't like one that happened later.

It was like when I was born, this birth chart was made. And the reason why I remember that was weird is like I have many agents and they're almost, it's like 90% women. Right. And in my life, yeah. I'm surrounded by women. And I don't know. I just find it interesting like because sometimes I don't think that that's unusual and

then I'll speak to other friends and actually there are obviously many men who don't work with that many women at all. Yeah, no, you've got quite a female heavy life. Yeah, I love women. I genuinely love women. I haven't always treated them the best, but I'm, you know, I'm a working progress. You're growing. You're growing like we all are.

And then the other thing I'll say is, I have a sofa in my house that was passed on to me by my old neighbour in my first ever flat called Cormack. Shout out. Cooch, Bup. Cormac said G, he used to call me horsebacks because he's Irish. And I don't know if you know this, but I've married them. I officiated their ceremony. They had this guy booked.

I went over to his flat. I was obviously going to the wedding. I went over to his flat the night before to get a beer. Obviously, I was in my drinking days. And he was freaking out. And he was like, oh, the father's dropped out or whatever. And we don't know what to do. I remember getting a beer and went, well, if you need anyone,

then shut the door. And then he was like, yeah, actually, could you? No, it's more crazy than that. I would then stay up doing whatever I was doing. I was what I was like. I was obviously an absolute trashy then. So I was up to about four. Went to bed, woke up.

and the vows were cellotaped to my front door. And he went to see you at two. That is the worst thing to realize you have to do on a hangover. Gemma didn't even know. His wife didn't even know. That's what's funny. So she started to walk down the aisle and she just bust her laughing. Like, why is Jordan here?

Why is Jordan at the front? Yeah, yeah. And then I married them. And obviously they had like Irish family that were like off the cloth or whatever. And they was just like, so when did you begin your job? I was like, hate to break at you guys. When did you begin your job? journey in Catholicism.

Like literally this morning. What is this going to do with hoarding? Why are we talking about this again? Sorry, his sofa, he loved with all his heart. And obviously when I ran around to his, we'd get drunk on it, whatever. And then he was moving and he was so heartbroken. He literally, I remember him coming over to me and be like, can you please take it? Like, I can't let go of it.

And I've still fucking got it. You've got it in that house now. I've got it in Margate, yeah. I was already 12 years old. And then all the time he would have had it, I'd probably. add another eight years, about 20 years old, that sofa, full of memories. And none of us can let go of it, none of us can re-upholster it. And I think this is a good way to end this episode.

I think it's really important to say that, like, listen, if, because memories is actually life. Like, memories are all we have. Wait, I've got another one. Sorry, I've got a pet tiger. From your childhood. Yes, I was actually eight. So that's longer, right?

26 years. I've had Cassie, 26 years, but she is in storage. Oh my God. I love that you have your childhood Teddy. She's a pet tiger. Sorry. She's obviously real. But I did think there was a point where I was like, I don't know if I can get away with this anymore.

You know, like, maybe in my early 20s it was endearing. Like if someone comes over like, why have you got a tiger in your bed? And I'll be like, it's my pet tiger. Yeah, 34. Luckily you're in a long-term lovely relationship. But yeah, I wouldn't, I don't know how I'd feel if a guy was like, this is my pet tiger. I think for anyone, man or woman, at some point you've got to be like,

this is a child's toy. I'm all for, I'm all for, keeping the child spirit. I'm all for keeping the child spirit. Absolutely. And this is what I'm saying. If people are attached to things that make them remember things that like, you know, fill their hearts up with joy, not to mention anything that transports us back to the freedom and expression and excitement of childhood, I say keep bloody holding away. But I would say, I'm so contradicting myself today, making space in every way I ever have, whether that's making space for better thoughts in my head or literally throwing out a load of shit.

it is always filled by great stuff. The universe loves you making space. The universe responds to you making space. Make the space if you can, but stay close to what makes you feel good. That makes sense. Okay. Good stuff.

Now listen to this. Look, what I just got sent by set. Emotions that don't exist in English, children. Funwe, which is German, an intense longing to travel and explore the distant and unknown, and a heartache for far off places, especially those not yet seen.

Are you fun where? That is me like over half the time. That is your, I'd say 70% of your emotional field. So how do we have this conversation? That's what I mean. What listen bitch will lead us to this? Oh, it's almost maybe etymology. I don't know.

No. We could do etymology. We could do etymology. Let's do it. The theme for next week's Listen bitch is finally, since like episode three. I've wanted to do this. Finally.

It's etymology. Etymology, the history of the word, the history of the words we use. I don't think there's anything more up my street. Spoiler alert, Latin. Spoiler alert, the answer is everything is Latin. Carpe diem. So Carpe Diem is actually pick the day

rather than seize the day. I don't like that. It's the same thing. Pick the day that you want to rise, like seize today. No, man. Pick the day. Of all the things to pick in the moment, pick the day. Oh, okay. I guess that is still good. Yeah. I'm going to still say seize the day. I love the word seize.

The cease is a bit aggressive, I think. I prefer pick. Don't have to grab everything, man. Stop grabbing. I know I should probably be less aggressive with my dream making. So we'll see you then for etymology. What a time all we'll have? What's up for your questions to 08,0304090. 08,0304090. Let's all share this wonderful season together. Bye, guys.

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