Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Risky Business

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens answer your questions about risk.Next week, we want to hear your questions about THE TRUTH. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, adult themes, and some risky shit, which we all need to hear. Some risky business. Welcome to ListenBitch all the way from South Asia. Yeah. Liz and Bitch has been from some amazing places. She's really travelled. Go on.

She went to Kenya. I've done her in Texas. Is it? Yeah. Wow. In her in Texas. Scotland, Edinburgh. Cool.

That's quite a lot for her. That's quite a lot. It's quite a lot. Listen bitch is knackered. She's tired. I'm joking. She's ready to go. Let's go. Listen bitch. She's got like over two listeners in Sri Lanka. That's true. That's true. You know what? This episode is for Earl. It's for Earl and Vicky.

Yeah, it's for Earl and Vicky. And Risky is an important thing to learn about early. The theme for this week's Listen Bitch is... Risk. Risk. Take it. Love it. Caress it. Risk.

So Earl, this one's for you. Let's have our first question for McKita Oliver, Jordan Stevens, and Earl from Sri Lanka. Hi, Jordan and Makita. This is Georgia from London. I'm big fan of the pod. Really interesting topic on risk-taking.

So I'm a primary school teacher and I just find it really interesting how from such a young age you can really identify like clearly risk-taking kids from, I guess, the sort of more security seeking children. And, yeah, as a teacher, I'm personally kind of more encouraging of the risk-taking behaviour. As, you know, I think that's this space where you can really, like, learn and gain a lot from it.

My question to you is, as a child, were you much of a risk-taker, both in terms of, like, physical risks, like, I don't know, being daring, climbing up the climbing frame, or also like social risks like putting yourself out there to make new friends or like standing up to a bully or something like that. Anyway, thank you so much. Love the podcast. Love what you guys do. Bye. Wow.

That's such a teacher question. She seems like a really good teacher. She sounds like a genuinely brilliant teacher. Teach the kids about risk early. I'm happy she brought up climbing frames because yes, at Acklam, you know, like by PlayStation in Portobello. Yeah. Ackland Village. It was the best play centre,

Atklin Playcenta. And there was this great guy called Tarbo, tallbo. And he was this really tall black guy. And he was so encouraging for kids to be brave. And he would use the three levels of the rope swing. Yeah, sick. Oh, God.

And I couldn't leave second level. I just couldn't. I was like, Tarbo, there's just no fucking way I'm getting up to that level. And one day I did it and I fell badly. And I really hurt myself. And I remember being like nine and thinking, what does this mean about being brave? Because he said I'd be rewarded with courage.

And I was really fucked up by it for a long time. But then I climbed a tree about a year late. And I was like, no, the lesson is continue to be brave. Get back on the horse. Keep going. Even if you fall down. And that really happens, I think, when we're talking about kids, that's the point of life to be a bit scared of something.

And then do it fucking anyway. Facts. Yes. And surprise yourself. Yeah. That's why you've got to be risky, risky. Yes, your buddy, risky. Yes, I firmly agree. I think it's something that my mum's installed in me.

I have to give her credit for this because I'm pretty sure my mum has vertigo. And I have a kind of memory of us. We were on like a holiday somewhere, like when I was younger, I want to say like, I think we had like a package holiday to cause or something like that. We were going up these steps up uphill and my mum couldn't move. I remember her being stuck.

but she made so much effort to not freak out. Like she, I didn't in any way, because a lot of kids get their fears off their parents. Yeah, and she must have been paralyzed with fear. Yeah, and she just, and I just never got it. I never picked up. Even though it was just me and my mum, she really just made it clear that like it was important to not.

And she was very encouraging. Obviously, the first time I ever went on stage, I was shitting myself. I can really, and my mom just got it on video. Well, you're like eight. Yeah, really didn't want to go on. And then they had to literally take, like, drag me off, basically. And I was called a stunt baby as a kid.

So I used to just like throw myself off things. They used to climb things and jump. I used to go around to the next estate in Nisden. And I would, all the kids are around the back. And I would suggest that we do wrestling. And like my ability to fake a wrestling fight, either like, you know, being the one wrestling or being the one who's like flying around,

people couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it. Stump baby. Incredible. Football. I was called Sliter. tackle kid. I got put up two years to play football because I would literally, this kid would be double my size and I would just run and just fucking slide tackle these fuckers. And they'll be like,

wow, put that kid in the team. He's a lunatic. So Georgia, I guess, what was she asking? Like, what should kids learn about risk? No, she was saying, I think she made a valid point, which is that like she would encourage those children who are more, lean more into risk. Because you're right. Like, you get into life and like risk is such an important part of confidence building, building a relationship with self. One thing I worry about with like, we're in the kind of age of comfort, aren't we? And I think people forget that the first or second times that we do anything, it's scary, literally anything.

And then it becomes less scary. But people are so scared of the first two scary bits. It's like people who pass their driving test and then don't drive. Yeah, well, it's like, it's also, it's about pain. It's like, I was risky once and it hurt. I don't want to feel that again. It's like, no, you're stronger now, built that muscle more. Yes, and the more you do something, the less scary it is.

Which reminds me that's why we have to get on the waves. I am not leaving this island without surfing. Okay. I need to ride a wave. Let's have another question for this week's listen pitch, the Sri Lanka episode, on risk. Okay, so I'm going to stay anonymous. I'm from Wolverhampton.

I am leaving in three days to go travelling around Thailand for a month with my ex-girlfriend. Obviously, she wasn't my ex-girlfriend when we booked it. It's only a recent revelation. But my question is, how would you deal with that situation? Would you cancel it? Would you think I'm not doing it? I'm not going.

Or would you just take the risk and think, fuck it, I'm going to go. Even if I end up branching away from this person and having to go do my own thing, I feel like it's something that I'm going to really end up thriving and finding parts of myself that I don't think I'd have found otherwise without that sort of safety blanket. But yeah, what's your opinion? What would you do in that situation? Do you think I'm taking a massive risk?

That is wild. It depends on the nuance of the reasons for the breakup. Yeah. It depends if so. someone's really fucked someone else over. I wouldn't want to get on a fucking plane with them. No. But.

Well, clearly they haven't. Yeah. If you're in this seemingly quite adult breakup moment, fuck yeah, you have to go. And it better scare you. And you better go and be more scared. It's very confusing. So are they just doing it because I guess they've paid the money.

Do you know what I mean? I just feel like. They've already got the travellers' checks. I'm assuming they've been broken up with because they're saying that it was a surprise. so I'm thinking like would I want to go travelling with a person who was surprised broken up with me

no I'm being dead ass like that kind of sounds quite hellish to me because I'm like will I be trying to win them back will they be hooking up with people yeah man will we hook back up and then it's like a thing of

I have to then be with this person and maybe it's like a new honeymoon thing but I have it in the back of my mind that they just fucking drop me like I don't know that's like it's really really insane. I think you have to know all those things and still go. Yeah. A situation like this requires

like unbelievable transparent communication. Like you cannot go into that thing without any. I would have to sit down and be like, okay, what the fuck are we doing? What is okay? What's not okay? What's the plan? What is the fucking plan? Because I'm like neurologically intertwined with you right now. Traveling because a heartbreak is legit. That's a proven method. And also, you two, I would, I would say now on my second holiday with you and your girlfriend, you travel well together, you give each other's space. Obviously, you're a couple in love. This is not the same, but it's open my eyes to, because I've not travelled with X as well. I've not had good experiences. Really? So it's been really, no, no, no. It's mad that you say that. I've literally never considered it with, Jail.

I never thought about, you know, the only thing that we differ with travelling wise is that, actually very on topic she's a little more risk of us than me so in terms of like holiday excursions there's a kind of difference in priority but in terms of like just hanging out yeah we're chilling man we just read but jay didn't want to get on the scooter let's just say that but she did but she did hated it but she still got on and i think maybe that's the lesson here for our caller anonymous caller it was a bit hellish but she still got on the fucking horse on the scooter darling protect your neck protect your heart and listen to your instincts go out there and if day one she's annoying you get the fuck away from her run away run away you're allowed to do that plenty of places to go next question please

hi jordan hi makita my name's nassia and i first of all love you both so thank you but my question is about when do we take risks and when shouldn't we take risks i feel like i'm in my 20s and there's always a concept of create your job move to Bali become a content create you to become an influencer and I feel like we're seeing people come out and say like, I've got a million followers and I'm broke or like this doesn't really work. But I think we're constantly being fed information about this potential possibility or like the other side is greener. And I think it's so important people to follow their passions and to like try and do them. But should we be constantly trying to make our passions, our careers or should we seek hobbies? I think it's more like when

do we take a calculated risk in ourselves of when is that actually harmful in this kind of social media everything is possible I've just watched Marty Supreme like that kind of vibe you know I want to watch that film so bad me too isn't it about like ping pong in the 70s that's my shit it's like a ping pong champion yeah

1950s ping pong champion let's go arguably the best the best campaign best film campaign in recent memory I don't think Bob and Heimer even comes close thank you for the question obviously life is about balance the middle do you know I mean like trying to find

I would personally say that it's more beneficial to take risks than it is to not ever take risks. I'd say that I'd definitely be more towards the former. But I think there are obviously like everything, certain limits. I don't think, for example, gambling is a risk and I don't think people should be gambling. It's not a risk I'm willing to take. No, I don't, yeah, like I just, I feel, you know, it's very addictive. That's not risky, it's life ruiny. Yeah. It's somewhat different. gambling is enticing somebody into the idea that there is a positive to that risk. Well, I think that gambling is probably, in a weird way, mirrors social media because it's the

promise of instant gratification. The promise of instant gratification is literally against everything that I've been working on for years, but also learning more about in this very spiritual country of Sri Lanka and Buddhism and, you know, life is long and what is for you will not pass you by so you must not and should not chase anything. I don't know if it's, yeah, is it Buddhism where it's like kind of the path, or is it Taoism, the path of least resistance?

Yeah, but I never really understand. So the path of least resistance is, what's the end bit? No, no, just following the path of least resistance, I think. Take the path of least resistance. I think so, which is interesting because I guess the argument would be that it sounds like to choose the easiest thing to do, but sometimes the path of least resistance is the most difficult one. Do you know what I'm saying?

Well, it's the one that's not forced, and it's the one you can't control. I want this, though, but I want this and I want it to look like this road. So I'll go down this road, and it's like, that is force. I think I know what makes me happy. You fucking wish. You don't know. You don't know. You have to go down the other path of like flow and energy, and God can dream a bigger dream

for you than you can ever dream for yourself. So take the little risk. Like, okay, so we're going to go surfing. Yes, I'm going to surf because I want to, I'm very athletic. And when we ran into the sea, my friend Jordan said to me, you need to surf because I attack those waves when I go into the sea. And yeah, I like to be very active. But I'm also getting on a surfboard to ride a wave,

to metaphorically embed in my conscience that I can fucking do anything. And I can ride the wave of life. And I can enjoy it. And I can enjoy the ride, man. Like I want to get like, you know, surfer dude about this. Like, just ride the wave, man. And that's quite risky. As you said, you have to get.

and the interior. You have to face yet another wave coming when you weren't expecting it. But what do you get when it crashes? The White Horse. For some reason, we've got back to White Horse, but it's all starting to make sense to me. The White House is what you're essentially meant to ride.

That's where the momentum comes. It's too good. It's too good. We need to answer the question, though. What the person is saying is that with a culture nowadays where people are looking for fixes for, I think, if I'm going to read between the lines, I think, you know, this person is in their 20s.

They're of a generation where many of the promises that we were raised to believe and maybe achieved, realized, improbable for this generation are certainly seeming like less and less probable. And so she's asking a question like, if she was like, all right, fuck it, I'm going to drop everything in my life in England

and go to another country and try and exist there. Like, is that too much of a risk? Because to let go of everything in the moment, even if it's difficult. No, I don't. think in this long game of life a decision like that sounds risky. She's also commented interestingly on influencer culture, which I think is interesting because it's very new and it seems like a very alluring place to be in for a young person because

ultimately you're just filming yourself every day and you get paid to do it. And she makes the point that a lot of these influences are coming out now and saying that they have a huge following and no money, which is really interesting. I think that's genuinely really interesting. And no soul. No money and no soul. Sure. Come on.

I don't know. That's not feeding your soul work. What isn't? Fucking filming yourself every day and putting on an Instagram and it has no meaning. It's about beauty and wealth and lies and deceit. Oh, no meaning. I don't know.

No, I don't think that's true. Did you not see the people come to do the river? Remember the stuff that you wanted to do? We're on like a lagoon. Yeah. And these people come to do like go down the river with the canoes. And I was like, why is everyone acting weird? Why aren't they just like mowgliing this?

And I realized it's because they were all filming. content for their pages. Yeah, that sucks. And it was like, you're not even here. That's not all. Okay, so just to be fair, for balance, that, that is, you don't need to play devil's advocate in this. It's not devil's advocate. I believe this keeps, honestly, there are influencers who, who, like, make good stuff for sure, 100% for sure. Okay, it's, you know what it is? It's the term, the term kills it for me. If you told me there was, like, a wonderful person creating something interesting, I'd be like, oh, who, but you say the word influence and I just get dead, my soul dead's out. But what's funny is, we've had this. We've had this.

concept for our whole lives, but it's just packaged differently. If you read a magazine article in whatever, they're influencing your decision of, like, if you read a travel magazine, that's influencing your decision of where you're going to go. The only difference is the person has actually gone and filmed it and then put it on their page. Yes, but my issue is, and me and me and Lily talked about this in year one of missed me when I was talking, I think, about an Elizabeth Taylor documentary, and every single person was like, she was the number one influencer. And it's like, no, that's not what she was at all.

She was like an actress. Like I'm not being facetious. That's not what she was. She may have had influence in the world, but it wasn't her job to be pushing her influence. Her work made her influential. So when the work is just influencing, do you know what I mean?

Like there's no work to become influential. It's like influencing is meant to be influential. It's like eating its own hand. As you know, I get quite irate about this. I completely understand your version. And also I too have that aversion to a new ilk. But I also am realistic about, you know, I guess also maybe I think I have a part of me appreciates that I can just watch like a random fucking person who's decided to like dedicate their lives. By the way, the influencers I like the most, can I just be clear?

Are the ones who have like, you know, they pick a particular passion of theirs. That's the important thing, a passion, a genuine passion. What, like those fucking cheese influences? Like, can't you just write about cheese? I just feel like it's harmless. I feel like if you're picking into a thing and you can survive on it, which apparently you can't, so that's the bigger issue. But if you can survive and you get to do what you love and someone pays you for it,

like listen, for example, yeah, if I had the time, I'd be a croissant connoisseur. Yeah, I'd go around to different cafes and I'd eat their croissons and I'd review it out of five and I'd put it on TikTok and then people go nuts for it. And then I get paid by cafes to go to their cafe and eat the croissons and I'd be in fucking dreamland. And I'd be the biggest quoson influencer on the. the fucking planet. You think that, but when I was very depressed, I did a spaghetti Bolognais tour around West London. No, Bikita, sorry, sorry, I got to just pull this up. That is not equivalent to you privately crying into bowls of spaghetti.

That's not you. I learned a lot. I learned a lot. Because I thought, well, okay, if I'm not working, I can just do this instead. I've never had the time to do this. I got really fat and learned that I need more. Sorry, just the clarity for the listeners. Did you record yourself eating the spaghetti?

No, it was pre that free and scrap. It wasn't documented. But I did think, I did think, why can't I do this with my time? Oh my God.

Anyway. For listening to listen, bitch, that was us laughing about the fact that Makita, pre-social media sat in restaurants

eating spaghetti, wondering if she turn it into a career, which is phenomenal. Do you know what idea did come to me? I thought there's something about someone being given such a big career so early, and then it being gone, what are you meant to do? Where are you meant to go? And I thought, I bet there's others like me.

I bet there's others like me. And then I started thinking about all the people I knew from when I was young that were on telly and I didn't see them on telly anymore. And I thought, what else could we do? Because you can't get a job in a pub. You can't get a job somewhere public because everyone's like, aren't you that person that used to do that thing? This is awful.

Look what happened to you? Oh, God. It's a very tricky, tricky little game. Wow, I wasn't, it was funnier when you were just ordering pasta depresto. It's funny when you were just crying into balls of spaghetti. I did, I did the Italian by the gate in Notting Hill. I did a few places in Holland Park. And then I went down a little bit to Hamaswitz.

And then I did Portobello Road. Great. Over about three months. Great. It's not the spaghetti volonaises. years anymore. Let's have another fucking question. Hello, it's Rina here talking about risk. So I attended a women in leadership conference recently. Okay, it sounds a bit schmoozy, but actually it was really useful, lots of women at different points in their career, thinking about risk.

The main subject and the main takeaway was that risk is less likely to be something that a woman would do and actually how women can be more encouraged to take more risks in their career, to take more risks in standing out, not to rock the boat is something that we're always taught, but how can we encourage women to take more risks in their careers? Because it seems that we're more risk-averse. Do you think that's something that you've experienced, Makita, but also how both of you feel this lands in everyday life and whether it's something that we as women are taught as we grow up

or if it's something that is just ingrained in us. Love the show, bye. No. I don't think we're taught it at all. I think I had to teach myself and find other women that have done it like Barbara and Cher. I think that's why I read a lot of autobiographies. I think I would learn about risk from life stories and looking at other ways people have lived lives.

And if we want to keep its gender specific, The women around me, I'm quite lucky that I have a lot of incredible women. And actually, I'm on holiday with them now. And because I'm paying fucking attention to my life right now, I know I'm meant to be with these women who have essentially taken big risks to give themselves very big, meaty, creatively fulfilling, financially rewarding careers, mainly my auntie, my auntie Allison. And my mom, sorry, and Nana.

Yeah, we've got four really quite amazing major. of the family out here. And I'm meant to be here because I think there is a lot that I'm doing this year, which I have never done before. I'm ready, as you know, but I've never done some of these things before in my career, two projects particularly. And I've been talking to, I've been using them. Like I use share, like I use Barbara.

I'm like, tell me, Alison, about, and she was actually talking to me about big, because she's a shit hot producer. And I was like, what makes you a good producer? And she was like, I make decisions quickly. and actually that can be quite risky because you don't know whether the decision is right or wrong but you need to make a fucking decision. It's a difficult trait to have.

Right, but imagine you've got 400 people on set and time is money, there is no time for procrastinating. So actually I think risk in like in her job would be to procrastinate. She's like, we need to make a decision, we need to make it now. And I learned that from her this trip. Oh, and then I used it yesterday when we were trying to make miss me. And it wasn't working, and your internet was shit. And everyone was like, fuck, what we're going to do?

And it was like, you know what? We have to do this tomorrow. We just have to do this tomorrow. Yeah. So I'm learning the lessons and implementing them into my life by the hour these days. Sick. I want a real cyclical, learn the lesson implement. Learn the lesson implement.

That's great. I think that answers the question. Let's have a final question for today's listen bitch all the way from Sri Lanka, teaching the rest of the world about how important it bloody is to be a bit bloody risky. Hello, Jordan and hello, Makita. I've been listening since the very beginning, and I'm finally sending a voice note. I'm originally from Peterborough, but I lived in,

oh, for 12 years. So that's me. Okay, so I'm in a kind of crisis point in my life at the moment, job work-wise, health-wise, all that sort of stuff. So to help me navigate this time a bit better, Can you tell me a time where you've took a risk and it's paid off and a time you've taken a risk and it's not quite paid off and why? Thank you. Yes, this podcast, as Will just reminded me, it was very risky.

I have never worked with Lily Allen before. Our relationship is complicated and layered and full of history and love and pain. And to put that in a big space, we didn't know how big the space was gonna be, but just to even publicly, intimately show that was very fucking risky. And look how well that turned out! So I definitely think starting Miss Me with Lil was one of the riskiest things I did.

And what I love to my very inner core about the story of Miss Me is that it was this risky decision, it paid off, and then gave me and Lily the courage to be even risky. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? And then we have West End Girl and her success around the world. It's like what, sorry, I won't tell you who says this, but it's a great quote, which is like, this is what I mean by God can dream for you than you can ever dream for yourself and why risk is part of that. It's because you think you want something. Oh, I hope this podcast goes well, but that, it wasn't about the podcast. It was leading Lily to have the confidence and be nurtured enough to go and do what she's fucking meant to be doing in this world. out in the world again. So that's what I've learned from Miss Me and that's what I've learned about risk

throughout the process of making Miss Me. As doing it with you, Lily going, I'm going to go be a pop star and you going, who we can bloody do this with? And the only person? I'm definitely a risk. You're a risky bitch. You know what?

It wasn't a risk in my head to do Miss Me with you. You're really good at this job. You're very emotionally astute and politically engaged. You were the right person for the job. Is that the answer? Yes. Oh, it's a great answer.

Yeah, I mean, there is a second part to the question, which is what's the risk you take and I didn't work out? I guess that's happened with men in the past. Go on. No, I don't want to fucking talk about it. Just yeah. Just like, yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. It's risky to date. It is really risky to date. But who's going to stop that risk? No way. Yeah. Oh, I've got loads.

I feel like, it's a weird one because I just feel like I'm actually trying to take maybe fewer risks in a way just like in big life changing ways but I'd say stopping Rizzle kicks I think in our mid-20s for the sake of mental health was I think to some people

a risk just because there's no guarantee that I would have some kind of stability past that point and I remember I was doing like a little session with these boys from a school in Brixton with a couple of friends who are amazing youth coordinators and when I told

them about that they couldn't understand why I would stop if I was earning money and you know if I was famous or whatever else and it was interesting to have that perspective I thought well yeah I guess from that perspective it would have been odd and I remember at the time feeling like jumping off the wheel would be potentially an issue but now I realize what it was was it was pulling out of the sprint to try and take part in the marathon do you know what I mean oh Jordan and I feel like absolutely yes and for me personally it was the best decision like I said before on this podcast there's a strong possibility I wouldn't even be here.

I don't think if we're just carried on trying to compete in that rat race. I'm glad that we did that and we chose to focus on more personal improvement. And then yeah, and in terms of when I didn't work out, I mean, fucking out, mate, like. What would you say?

I just, well, with me, I say yes to like nearly everything. Like, I just, I, you know, I'm a very, I'll try anything and it doesn't always, do I mean? It doesn't, it's not always fantastic. but I always I guess what maybe dilutes or the pain slightly or the rejection

or the whatever slightly is the fact that I tried it do I mean? That's one of the beautiful things about risk is you can kind of sometimes balance the fact that didn't work out on the basis that you tried it anyway like what's that Wayne Gretzky quote

like you miss 100% of shots you never take you know? Oh my God so like that's I've always had that in my mind so I've done loads of shit that scares me obviously last year with the play was nuts like I had no experience I thought, fuck it, you know, documentary, fuck it, like all these things.

And there would be, there are, miss me, fuck it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there, well, I felt a little bit more comfortable of just talking to you. But, but I think, I guess my book, I said I was pretty exposing to myself in my book, but I think there are, what I'm trying to say is that there are loads of mini moments, you know, where I've told the truth a lot in, in situations where, like, it would be easier for me to not. And that's been very tough sometimes and it's resulted in a lot of pain sometimes. And that's a risk. People think truth is risky, which.

might bring us onto the subject for next week's listen bitch next week's listen bitch but i know i know but i will finish but you by saying yeah i don't think in terms of biggest that hasn't paid off i think what i'm trying to say is i really have especially in that time after rizzle kicks actually for about like three or four years i really tried a lot but no and would ever know do i mean like there's a lot of i experienced a lot of rejection a lot of burn a lot of like you're not a vibe anymore all of that stuff all of that really egotistical very realistic way in which the entertainment industry operates it was yeah hardcore you know i mean so even though it's yeah that's my that's my spaghetti bolognazia yes i do get in so we've

so we've both done this shit we've both burned and no one had to know but i've told people now I should have kept it to myself but I told the truth but I told the truth okay so next week's listen bitch. The theme is the truth. The truth. The truth. Send in your voice notes, queries, questions around the subject of truth. What is truth? Like, do we always tell the truth?

Do we always want the truth? There's some very interesting statistics I already know I'll top of my head around. Truth in relationships. Truth in life. Truth to the self. Yeah, and also, but there's that great scene in maybe I should say it for next week. No, fuck it. That great scene in almost famous Cameron Crow.

film and it's Penny Lane, Kate Hudson, meeting the young teenage writer boy and she, you know, she's this wave of new energy. And she's like, how old are you? And he's like, 18. She's like, me too. And then she goes, how old are we really? He goes, 17. She goes, me too.

And then he goes, actually, I'm 16. She goes, me too. And then she goes, the truth just sounds different, doesn't it? And I was like, it just does. Yeah. It actually just does. And it sounds different to your soul. And that's why you can follow it.

And that's what we'll delve into more next week, ladies and gentlemen. I don't know the number. Oh my God. So committed. He is so committed to his craft and to miss me. 0-8,000. It is 0.8,0.30, 90. I think.

Is it actually not? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 200 episodes have nearly done of this fucking show. and I can't even do the voice note number. Maybe I need a little break. Okay. Send your voice notes in to 08,030, 40, 90.

And do you know what? This is for new listeners, because if you've been listening since day, you should fucking know the number by now. You should have it saved in your book. You can save it as well. Miss me. Exactly.

We should be in your contacts. Thank you so much, everyone. Love you. This was good. I'm going to think about everything that we all discussed today within risk, and I'm going to get on that wave with Jordan. See you in a few days, baby.

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