Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Season All Clothing

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens answer your questions about seasonal clothing.Next week, we want to hear your questions about ANGER. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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Find the Energy Curfew Music Hour wherever you get your podcasts or listen ad-free on Audible. Happy Dark Day, y'all. The following episode may contain strong language and themes of an adult nature, which we love. Not really. All we talked about was seasonal clothes. True. But clothes can be dangerous. Ding, ding, ding. Welcome to listen. That's right.

It's cold out here. It was snowing. It was snowing. Listen, I didn't realize it was snowing. It didn't reach where I am, southeast. Didn't reach you? Zero snow. It did bring up an important conversation between me and some people I work with about heating.

Yeah. And when it's time to turn it on. And of course, today's episode theme is... Seasonal clothing. And I think that's an important time to talk about the heating. My mum, end of August, she's like, chik-a-jit, starting to turn it up. Garpa's like, you're insane.

But Silliman's girlfriend, Lily, he wanted to turn it up yesterday, and she was like, you're insane! No, mid-November is not insane to start turning the heating on. How do you and Jade work around that issue? From my background, my mum and I are jackets in the house kind of people. That's, it's like last possible resort heating. I actually have a very like love-hate relationship with the cold in that sense of I actually quite enjoy getting into bed cold.

Like if it's cold outside and I'm under a duvet, it helps me sleep. I'm sure there's some science to back that. I agree, I sleep with the window open, even when it's cold. Yeah, that's a vibe. But we actually have little heaters. We have space heaters because it's quite a complicated heating system in our house. Yeah. From whoever was here before, it's not as,

as easy as we'd like it to be. So, yeah, we use space heaters most of the time. I don't know what a space heater is. We were, do you know what? This is quite seasonal clothing. Let's get a question. I was just about to go into the electricity key. A space heater is just a heater that you put and you plug it in.

Yeah, but the ones I had when I was a poor child were like those ones that you plugged in. They had like three red hot bars of heat and no covering. It is like that. Yeah, but I mean, it's covering now. It's safer than it was back then. You guys are too successful to have those heaters. you need to get some radiators put on the wall. Sometimes it's actually practical.

Okay. All right. More gems like this. More incredible seasonal information to follow. Let's have our first question. This week's theme is seasonal clothing. Hiya. My name's Beth from Nottingham originally but now live in Cardiff. To regard to the seasonal clothing.

So in the summer that you wear your vest tops or whatever, obviously less clothing, right? Because it's warm and it's okay. You know, you kind of adapt to that and feel good. You hit sort of the colder months, and obviously we're not, you know, dancing around outside in our vest tops anymore. But what I found really weird, if I am inside a place in the winter and it gets hot and say my layer is a vest top, I feel weirdly exposed if I take off my jumper or my whatever's on top of it, and like it's almost inappropriate to like be in a vest top in the winter. The more I talk about this, the more I realize it sounds like a very weird niche. specific question. The question is, do you ever feel weird when you wear clothing that perhaps isn't appropriate for this season? Thanks guys. Love you both. Bye. Yeah. I think this is a conversation

more about layers, Jordan. And I'm shit at it. I just have a lot of really big public. I hate being cold. I really don't like being cold. But I do have windows. open all the time. I don't know what it is. I just, I get scared that I'm going to get stuck outside in the world cold. So I'm quite good at layering. Really? And I always have a big puffer jacket. It's quite hard to look sexy in winter because I always just want to wear a massive puffer jacket. But I do think puff jackets are quite sexy. Depends who's looking. It actually does depend who's looking, isn't it? Whose gaze are we basing this on? I've heard as well me. I fancy men in puffer jackets big time. Right. Exactly. That's interesting. I love men in

like a fucking bomber jacket or a north face. I'm such a... I know someone who wears shorts all year. Who are they? Doesn't matter what climate. They're convinced that part of your body does not get cold. If you've got socks on, you can expose the shin, the knee, you're fine. You can have a puffer on, you can have a jacket on whatever.

You can wear shorts. Any climate, they believe that. Is it... Trying to guess which friend. They're not really a friend. I made it sound like I knew them. I know them through a friend. Okay.

Then I won't know who it is. Let's move on. I've got a friend. I do understand what she means though in terms of wearing a vest inside in the winter I mean it's funny because you have the reverse don't you and some places that are really hot in the world have serious aircon in the building

so outside it's sweltering and inside you want to wear a jumper so you end up going out in like t-shirt and shorts but you've got to bring a jumper with you for when you're inside yes but I also feel inappropriate in somewhere like Kenya in the town in shorts and a t-shirt because everyone in the town is in like jeans to me denim in the summer is crazy genuinely

no no that's wild Would you never wear denim in Kenya? I mean, I would wear it, but it wouldn't be my first choice in heat. You'd feel uncomfortable, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mum did tell me I was crazy. But also, can I say as well, like, when I play football on a Sunday or whatever it is, I get, there's like this unspoken thing with football and men playing football right, that you have to try and weather as many storms as possible.

Like, the longest you can go, short-sleeved, no gloves, like in the eyes of men, the more hardcore you are. Because I've got football tonight and I was going to, wear gloves because I'm like I'm freezing you should just for the record I go out when we play sunday league in a winter I got a body warmer I've got light clothes tight tights on underneath my football shorts and socks I'll do it all bruv and then people there they jeer from the side they tease you why are you wearing tights for da da I'm like boss man it's the winter it's arctic I'd rather be near the equator right now so you're the loser the more covered and prepared you are

the less of like hardcore football you get gloves out and they're like oh mate he's a bit soft didn't he? Yeah, but then we just beat him and then you go, whoa. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Doesn't matter, bro. Short-sleeved or not, you're lost. Let's move on to the next question. Hi, Makita and Georgian. It's Sophie from Sheffield. I do have a question about seasonal clothing, but firstly, I just want to say, when Lily left for a little bit, it did take me a bit of an adjustment, but now I'm

fully, like, adjusted and hear for it. And as, like, a mum to a young son, the joy I get from listening to you, Jordan, and what you share and your thoughts and perspectives. That's making me a bit emotional. It gives me such hope. Just, you know, a reminder. And there are so many positive role models for my boy. But on to seasonal cruising, the ritual of getting my jumpers out. I do.

I fucking love it. I love it. This year, I've kind of landed on something a bit more than that. Like, for me, the kind of sensory aspects of winter clothes, I fucking love it. That's what I, my body craves it actually, like the weight of a jumper. I'm all about comfy dressing in my 35th year. Like, that's my aim. Do you tend to dress for comfort or for what you're, like, projecting out to the world for style or like a bit of both?

Or does that change or fluctuate? Thanks. Bye. Thank you for your beautiful words about Jordan. I wholeheartedly agree, but it's fucking lovely to hear. Thank you very much. It is nice. I don't trust it.

Of course you don't. Of course you bloody don't. No, I do. I take it. And that's what we're working on. No, in therapy, I listen. I accept it. I thank you. I really appreciate the kind words genuinely. That's right. Growing all the young men of the country. Good for you. I'm fucking not.

Anyway. A few years ago, I was made second-hand clothes ambassador for Oxfam, and I did a lot of press about clothes and the way we dress and a lot of interviews about that. So I was talking about clothes all the time. And one thing people would ask me all the time was, do people like get dressed to, you know, inhabit characters? And I really don't think that's true. I think what we do is there are parts of ourselves that we get to sort of bring to life

by the way we dress. So for instance, I'm quite excited about winter because I'm hunkering down with the business. And that's very for me like baggy jumper, baggy jeans, hoodies, fleeces. And I think I am probably going into a role, but it's a role that's already in me that I just heighten with clothes? Yeah, it's an interesting one. Is it in a way that like a mini skirt and kitten heels and a little cardigan makes me feel like I'm going on set?

Do you know what I mean? Okay, I do. I always say comfort over everything. If there's an opportunity for me to be able to do something, access a space, be at home, feel at home in a space, and I can be comfortable. Yeah, that's where I'm going. Comfort and utility, the older I get,

the more I head towards comfort and utility, genuinely. When do you think you're being experimental with clothes? do you think you're being a bit risky? I saw you do some fashion week stuff and I was like, hmm, is this fly? Actually, I think I took a picture and sent it to you. Say, this is fly. But that kind of dressing up,

being a bit more turned up to be out, I'm sure you still enjoy that. Yeah, no, I love it. But to be honest, I was just thinking then, like, I can't remember the last time I've done that and felt uncomfortable. I've got no, like, I just think clothes are clothes, you know, if it feels good and it looks good,

I'll wear it. And I love colour. So often colour is where. where I push my kind of expression or whatever but I wore a suit last night for GQ Man of the Year Awards and it looked great but it was so comfy

like it really was like genuinely the fabric that the designer four day used it's genuinely comfortable if I can express myself and not have to compromise on comfort then that's the dream situation I also will say that just generally in life I get genuinely excited by utility so that if I like a brand

and then I buy something and their pockets are like really deep or they've got a zip in a place I didn't expect, I get so gassed. That stuff is important. I'm like this, I can put stuff here. I can put like, you know, like cargo pockets over the moon. Over the moon that I've got more pockets to put things in. That's like my mum, pockets make her really happy. Yeah.

She's like, it feels like I'm like wearing it and I can put my hands somewhere and there's a place for things. I'm not really a pockets person. Comfort and utility. Yeah. So I did fashion awards, like maybe last year. I didn't have the right shoes. So I tried to quickly, I got like my.

agent to try and grab some smart black shoes and bring them to the red carpet so I could just quickly put them up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I didn't have time from the thing I had before and they came back and there'd been some kind of mishap and basically one of my shoes was a size nine and the other one was a size seven. And that was excruciating because I found out on the carpet. Do you know what I'm saying? I was like, why is my right foot in agony, bro? But this is like just a little bit of what women have to go through with this shit. Yeah, I think as a boy you can kind of fuck off and do one because it's like the idea of something

I actually did also wear heels for a film okay that's on set try a lifetime and this is and heels are interesting because you are heightened and it was really hard for that day heels are high so you're heightened but also they can really hurt at the front

I mean I love kitten heels and it is actually quite ancestral they're comfy right they're so comfortable and I feel sexier because I am quite tall and I can glide I hate the idea of toppling around in a heel But some women have to learn Not have to, but like want to Like Lily's been practicing to wear heels

Since she was like 10 or 11 Because she's short And so is Allison So Allison always wore heels My mom wasn't like that So the fact that I even found a heel That I can wear Because fucking hell

I hate high heels You're right though I know you're right You're right But that's something I find odd That the pain that's involved A lot of women's style It just seems to be part of it

I see it all the time They say welcome to fashion, literally. Yeah, it's kind of nice. Welcome to fashion. Should it? Lily said it, Alison, says to her, if it doesn't hurt, it doesn't look good or something. It's like, whoa, that's not very healthy. Yeah, man, I'm not sure I feel about, I think comfort is sexy.

I think when someone looks comfortable, it's sexy. I just think that that's just my opinion. I don't know. I understand that there's a real nice side of like doing yourself up and looking good. And, you know, I guess suits for men aren't always comfortable. I don't know, maybe if they're tailored. I don't know. But my point is, like, I think if someone looks.

as if they're having a good time. There would be some people who might look great still, but then they move and you're like, is it worth it? Is this worth it? Exactly. I think maybe that's what I think. I think it's quite sexy to be in baggy clothes to build this new thing.

I like that. I think guys find that sexy, personally. All right, let's have another question from the world to us, back to the world. Hi, Macita and Jordan. It is Lizzie, calling from East Yorkshire. I just wanted to say I am absolutely obsessed. with Lily's new album. It is my anthem of the autumn. It's on repeat. I can't stop listening. So well done, Lily. I wanted to know if you guys do the same as me. I switch out my seasonal wardrobe every year. So I will get my spring and summer clothes out around April time. I'll have them out in my wardrobe. All of the winter ones get in nice little vac packs underneath my bed. And then when it gets to autumn winter, I do a little swap. So all the spring summer clothes.

come out of the wardrobe, I get all the backpacks back out of the autumn and winter knits, they all come out and I have to have everything in order. So I guess my question to you guys is, do you also have seasonal wear, swappings in and swappings out of the year? Or are you the kind of people that have all clothes out in wardrobes all year round and everything on show? Let me know, I'm excited to hear it, guys. Listen, I like my clothes so on show that I feel missing from my wardrobe.

Like, please, I love my clothes. I love having all of them out at all times. I do not get down with this. Kelly does this. She's like, well, you can just do all your spring summer and shove it under your bed. I'm like, shove it, excuse me,

shove it under my bed for an entire six months. No, no. No, no. I like to see everything. Because I don't, I don't, this is quite a good story about seasonal clothing. I'm not sure. I believe in that too much.

Of course, I like to be warm and then obviously cool in the summer. But I don't believe that there are clothes that are like, that's just for winter or that's just for summer. I like to do. just have it all out. This is an organisational question. I feel attacked, even being asked. I've got absolutely no, I've got no system.

I've got no rhyme, no reason, like shit. It's your, because I saw Jade's dressing area in the house, and that's Jade's space. So you've got your own wardrobe? Yeah, I've got wardrobe, yeah. And what is it, total shell? If I was allowed, listen, this is another question. This is another discussion. If my approach, if I was able to design my own wardrobe,

it would not look like the wardrobes that people usually use. Okay. What is this incredible, one of a kind wardrobe design that you'd like to achieve one day? It's not one of a kind. I just, I would create. You know when people talk about like, if you got your shit on the floor,

they call it a floordrobe. Yeah, I fucking hate that. Yeah, but I would actually design a floordrobe. Okay. No, no, no, listen, listen, listen, no. But, Makita, Makita, Makita. Mekita, listen, so you have it against the wall, yeah. So you can put it away, which I struggle with, but I'm willing to compromise on that.

But essentially, you can pull it down from a wall kind of like, you know, when people have studio flats and they put their beds up. Right, and throw it to the ground, as it were. Right, interesting. Yeah, and then you bring it down, and then everything is horizontal, not vertical. I find that so much easier in my brain. Really? Yes. That gives me anxiety.

Yeah, I know. I know, but it's just my thing is, I know, for example, if I say, stuff like something in the back of a cupboard yeah like a jumper i know it's there sometimes i'll even put something in an unusual place and the fact that it's in an unusual place will mean i'll remember it's there rather than if it was just in a normal place anyway i just i don't know if i can ever live with a man again this is giving me anxiety this isn't specifically men it's not specifically men sorry this is this is this is an ADHD thing rails for me like this exposed rails i find that easier if something was covering it right or a drawer the second of drawer shut

or the things covered it, that nothing exists to me. Oh, my God. So you need it like this. You need to see it at all times. Me too. I need to be able to see things. And at the very least, if there is a cover like that one behind you, I need for people to let me just cause a mess in there.

Because if it's going to cover, then you've got to let me just have the chaos. Well, I know what's in the chaos. I don't understand what's so. Like, if I'm prepared to get it out and iron it or whatever, what's the issue? I mean, I guess it's not an issue. It is the way your brain works,

and it's what kind of makes you feel calm. Like, this makes me feel calm. I walk in, I go, categories. Like, I need categories. This wasn't categorised. But then when I was doing colour coordination, I started to lose my mind. Sitting there. The Jay does that.

She does it. Wow. She does colour coordination. She does type of clothing, you know, obviously shows. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Listen, I do separate smart and casual. That's about as far as I go. Fucking hell. Wow. Choggers from ties. Okay. Yeah. When I was doing the color coordination thing, I started losing my mind.

I'd be standing here with a blue cardigan. in between one blue card to get another one being like, should it go to the left or the right? I was like, I can't fucking live like this. Is this more green or is this more right? I have no idea. I was like, this isn't worth it. This isn't worth it.

So now, as you can see, it's kind of mixed. I had to get a new system because it was really stressing me out. I loved that for you. Let's go to a break. What fancy a break? I fancy a break. Yeah, that would be really nice. Let's have a seasonal clothing break.

Let's have a seasonal break. Let's have an autumn. The Energy Curfew Music Hour is available to listen now on Audible. Recorded live in front of an audience at the Manetta Lane Theater in New York City, the Energy Curfew Music Hour brings you the artists you love, making their music in never-before-recorded ways. All acoustic, all collaborative, with all hands on the musical deck. Hosted by me and my fellow Punch Brothers,

come hear some of the world's most inventive live music whenever you want to listen. Find the Energy Curfew Music Hour wherever you get your podcasts or listen ad-free on Audible. Happy Dark Day, y'all. Welcome back to Listen Bitch, my darling, darlings of the world. Hello, everyone, from Malaysia to Australia, to Essex, to Hackneywick. That's that terrible Australian accent. Australia. Now, that's all right.

I'm quite good in Australian, I think. I think. Maid, I can't believe you said it like that. Oh, shit. That's fucking awful. No, listen. Wait, Australia. I have many Aussie mates who speak like this.

That's very good. That's great good. And I can't listen to you. Sit here on fucking listen bitch and say Australia like that. Australia. I can do it. I can do it when I'm around my Aussie mates. Yeah, okay.

We'll believe that when we see it. All right, Jordan, get us another question for seasonal clothing. New question. please. Hi, Makita and Jordan. My name's Charity. I'm from Reading. I actually live in the Blue Mountains in Australia. I've been listening to the podcast. I absolutely love it. I really, really love the seasons. I mean, I live in Australia, but yet live in one of the cooler parts of it. So it's really nice to still experience the seasonal changes here where a lot of parts of Australia still don't. I guess my question to you guys is, do you have a

sentimental item of seasonal clothing. For me, I am such a lover of a scarf and I get quite emotionally attached to my scarves. I have been known to cry when a scarf has been lost. Yeah, just wondering, do you have an item of clothing that if you, to have lost it, you would cry like a little girl? Oh wow just after we start talking about gender biased ideas Thank you Thank you charity She's why it's so left

The last possible second I love that Like a little girl Quite like a little girl Like a little bitch What piece of clover would you cry over if it went missing Do you know what This is weird

I've got a red jumper here that was Luke's Oh come on Let's got to stop giving this airtime No, but this is what I mean. I don't feel sentimental about that relationship. It's more that, no, I love this jumper. And it's more because of the journey I've been on with it. Is it a boyfriend jumper?

Is that what it is? You can't buy baggy jumpers like this. Like, it's wide and not just long. And I've, like, done a lot. Like, I've built a lot in this jumper. And it's a good red. This isn't about fucking Luke. Like, bless him.

I wish him all the best. Can I say, though, I've had several pieces of cloven stolen in relationships. Oh, right. this is good. I have an ex-boyfriend jumper. You've lost jumpers, two ex-girlfriends. This made me something he will do. It's just, yeah, it's like, I feel like sometimes people will be like, you're a piece of shit. I never want to see you again. And I'll also keep your job. I also keep three or four. I'll never see you again. I'm just going to keep this really comfortable jumper that I've been wearing every morning, you piece of shit. Yeah, maybe. I mean,

maybe there, there is a thing of like, you know, it's so funny when relationships end, isn't it? And then it's just like, you don't have anything to remember of this time of your life. I've had some shit stolen, man. But I've been thinking about this a lot recently. Now that I'm getting older and, like, deeply feeling that life is finite. But past relationships and things I've been through are just starting to not feel like, oh, God, the past. Oh, God, that dickhead. It just starts to really feel like the life you've had.

Yeah. And you can't change it. And this jump is part of that. Do you know what I mean? It's not about an ex. I hear it. I would do the same, to be honest. this harder because some of, most of the clothes just don't fit.

Like, I can't really steal something from my neck. So I'm just like, you literally don't fit me. However, Jade wears a lot of big boys clothes. So we share a lot of clothes. I actually love when Jake gets baggy like that. She drowns in jumpers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I'll get a piece of clothing.

I'll, like, put it on the bed or whatever, like to put it away. And she'll just put it on. And then I'll see her and she'll go, this is mine now. I know. I know. This is my. Like, with that voice, this is mine now. This is mine now. Yeah, and I'm like fair.

But I'll still something of hers as well. That's still a lot of hers. So the question was sentimental. So yeah, now I wouldn't cry, but we've been through a lot, that jumper. And I, over like 10 years or something. I am in a very lucky position where people will send me clothes. So sometimes I, you know, try and refresh my wardrobe.

I give a lot of my clothes, obviously, to people around me and to charity and whatever else. But the clothes I've held onto, the longest in my life. And this is a fact. are all clothes that I've bought in charity shops. Really? Genuinely. There's this one jacket, this corduroy, I think,

like vintage Lacos jacket that I bought in Amsterdam, like maybe 11 years ago. And I just, I'm obsessed with it. And it's ripped, the pockets ripped, like it's stained on the shoulder. But I just can't,

like every time I go to do a spring clean or whatever you call it, or like a refresh. And there's a T-shirt. I bought a Space Jam t-shirt that I bought on Second Avenue. Oh my God. Yes, yes.

Avenue, yeah, like I literally, I can't, it's got holes in it, it's got moth bites and everything and I just, like there's something about it that I can't let go of. Well, I think there's something about second and closing. Again, as I said, I had to talk about this a lot a few years ago. It's because you've been part of discovery, I think. It's not just you went into a shop and bought a nice hoodie. It's like you, in that moment went in that shop and discovered something. And so it's kind of deeper the things that, I mean, half this wardrobe chariot shop.

It's oddly unique as well because it's taken out of the time that it was in. It feels as if you're getting like a one-of-one. Yes. And I would say to everyone seasonal clothing buying like the best cashmere jumpers

the best like big baggy sports jumpers all that shit like their charity shops are so good for winter shopping. They really are. Vintage stores. Vintage stores just like secondhand vibes. It really does.

It is a vibe. Totally. I just wanted to say also she talks about scarves. I hate scarves. I don't know what it is. I really try and wear them. I even spent a lot of money on a burberry scarf recently.

It's gorgeous, but I hate it. I've tried to go big. I've tried to go small. I hate scarves. No, the big, I'm into the big. The big's great because if I can wrap it around my whole face, you know, obviously you've got to do some freezing cold dog walks at this time of year.

Yeah. And I'm with the big scarf vibe. I actually love that she has a kind of attachment to a particular piece of clothing. I'd like to believe that I would be able to not be emotionally bound. too much like I'd like to feel anything could go and I'd be okay yeah I actually I'm trying to eliminate my mum's spirit of hoarding which is very much alive and well like I really am trying to get past that is in my soul I can feel it I have to like assign people to be like no Jordan throw that shit away right childhood pattern breaking dog walking so give me some tips on

because this is only my second winter with a dog and it's just got really cold so I just got really cold. So I just changed. I was just doing kicks in the bloody mud. So now I've got these nice walking boots, joggers, big puffer. Yeah. But you're saying maybe a massive scarf, because I'm still cold out there. The scarfs are at a level. Obviously, you have to have a willy hat because that's where you keep most of your heat. A hat. That's what I need. A woolly hat, yeah. A beanie. Maybe I'll do a beanie. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'm going to rock this dog walking winter look. Okay, thank you, Jordan. Can we have another question, please? Oh, look. us doing it in unison.

Should we do it together? One, two, three. Can we have a question? All right, next. Incredible. Incredible. We're so aligned. We're so aligned.

Hi guys. My name's Stuart and I'm calling from Berlin. My question is around the great north, south, British divide when it comes to seasonal clothing. As a northerner, guys wearing shorts all the winter, girls wearing mini dresses without jackets on nights out. So I'm curious, what are your thoughts? Do northerners just not feel the cold? Yo.

I really don't think they do. I truly, because I do go up north and I'm like, people are in mini skirts and it is January. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jordy's and that are fucking nuts. Oh, yeah. I'm dating one, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But I mean, she definitely does feel the cold. I don't know, like it just seems to be like an expected thing that you'd just be shivering, you know, just as part of the experience. It's like what I was saying. It's another, that is another iteration of pain that seems to come with, female glamour Yeah, cold fucking legs Just being Arctic

But the boys out there, sorry They do stick on polos up there too And they're just like, I'll brave it What do you think about polar necks I dated someone that wore polo necks And I was like, brov This is not the one You've got to stop with the polar necks

No, no, I mean like a polo shirt Oh, you're talking about a polo neck jumper Yeah Like a roll neck What do I think of a polo neck jumper? but I think like sometimes it can look pretty suave under a suit jacket. That's not how he was wearing it. What, just, he's just raw dog in a, sorry.

Like casual with jeans. So he was just, I suppose he was raw dogging at a bono neck. But I feel like you shouldn't wear a polo neck with like something smart. I get that it's like a cat to make it casual. But I just don't think they look good on men. Okay, listen, polar necks could be good with a blazer. Eek, that is a. Bad look, Jordan.

I'll show you a picture of me in one. Okay. Poloneck and Blazers, I might be my worst. No, I think probably my worst would be men in flip-flops in London in April. Yo, deep-flops with long trousers. What the fuck is happening? Rotted. I saw there were these guys at the pub in Islington on like a cold April morning with like a bitter sun.

I was like, could you kick the fuck back and relax? Oh God, I've actually seen the whole outfit of me around the Poland. I'm not sure it's as much of a look as I thought it was. How do I just zoom in on the top half? Because the bottom half is fucking slipping, bro. No, that's too good. Let me show you, me rocking a opponent. Actually, I look like shit.

This is not one. It's more that, wow, I really, you know what? I have actually grown up of late. You're going to send it to me on WhatsApp? Can you see this shit? Yeah, okay. Oh, okay. There was a better version of this.

I'm not sure this is my video. but one of your looks. Fuck you. I like Vogue party last season. That was good. That was a rocking look. Is that with a big jacket? Yeah, that was a vibe.

Yeah, that was probably my coldest look so far. Yeah, it was cold. Last night was good. Yeah, go on, show me GQ. And do you feel, do you dress differently for a... This is interesting. Do you do different plus one dressing as opposed to I'm here to be Jordan? No, man.

I've got friends who make dope clothes. If there's a good event, I'll ask them. Don't you dare hide in the corner, baby? Because you're such a fucking support. with a wonderful boyfriend. I love that you come fly as well. I know some boyfriends who stress down because their girlfriend is well known.

Really? That makes me sound kind of bad. I don't want to hear that you're like, some people would know their fucking place. You don't. That's not. You know, some people with the successful girlfriends

would just tone the fuck down. No, I'm talking more about influence of boyfriends who are there to take the pictures. Can I say, Look, look. I take the picture sometimes too, but there was a, I was a, let's say, an honorary plus one. That's true, brough. My name wasn't not on the list. Yeah.

This is getting into a terrible place of status and celebrity, which I don't want to go to. I don't give a fuck. Listen, it is what it is, man. Honestly, as I get older, it's just, the irony is, of course, like, when I've been more focused on, like, the work I love doing, you end up in these places. You know, when I was younger, I'd be desperate to, for approval from all these places and really you get it. You know, I changed my life after the GQ men of the year awards. I went two years ago, and I felt so dead inside after I'd done the red carpet. But that's because I wasn't nominated. I wasn't there for anything.

I was there to network and to, you know, raise my public profile, which always kills my heart. Yeah, but it's quite soul-destroying. And after that one, as I stood in line behind 10 influences to take a picture in front of the sign, I was like, I'm never doing right carpet shit ever again. And then I decided to read the Barbara Streisand book. and she reminded me to go back to the work then we started Miss Me Yeah, back to the work

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a big day It has to be work led Yeah, yeah, it has to be work led Sorry, to conclude polar necks I think it's insane Well, somebody just wearing a polo neck Is an incredibly brave choice

What is it about the polandek you don't like? I just don't think they're flattering I'm trying to think of a man That it would look good on They look like turtles I love turtles I look like a turtle It's called a turtle neck

Turtle neck I just don't think that they're that flattering Like a penis Maybe that's the issue Maybe that's the issue It's a bit tanpoli or something I know what I like men in I like men in like Levi's and blue jump

Fruit of the Loom blue jumpers Obviously you buy blue jumpers from anywhere But I like that cut As in like the basic jumper you would then print on to Basic I like really like Classic dressing with men Okay final fucking question Hi guys, it's Cherie here from East London.

I know neither of you have direct kids, but you have lots of godchildren and nieces and nephews. I was wondering if you could help me as kind of a parenting situation. My daughter refuses to wear a coat, even if it's like two degrees. She just hates coats, any sort of like warm layers. So I wondered if you had any advice or maybe you were like that as kids. and you never wanted to wear coats. At the weekend, she started crying when we were going for a walk to Epim Forest. She didn't want to wear a coat so much.

She was like, but no one will get to see my outfit. So the whole thing was because she had put together her outfit, by wearing a coat, no one would get to see her cute outfit. So maybe some sort of like fashionista in the making. She's four years old. So yeah, let me know your thoughts on this. And if you've got any ideas or what you've. you would maybe say to get her to wear a coat.

I mean, I'm not a parent, and I do hear parents talk about this a lot, and I think, God, that sounds like a nightmare. But I would say that it is kind of exciting that kids use clothes so early to sort of start expressing themselves. I remember when I started knowing what I wanted to wear, and I was about four. And I think, so lucky that we have clothes to, like, you know, that first feeling of, like, you're figuring out who you are and how to show that. I guess you'd be cold without her coat, but it's nice that she's expressing.

missing herself. It sounds to me as if this woman has birthed an icon. And unfortunately that comes with like a whole, I don't even think there's books written on this. Let her roam free. There's not advice we could give to somebody who was birthed a future fashion icon designer perhaps, at the very least, the CEO or chief editor of a prestigious magazine. Like this is where we're out with a two-year-old who refuses to wear an overcoat, four-year-old.

Four. Because people need to see her outfit. That's like, I can't. She's a free spirit and we shouldn't calm her down. We need to find, I mean, I say we, I don't know this woman. I would, this woman must understand that she's, she is overseeing the life of an icon. And so, so, no, seriously. She shouldn't take that lightly.

We've got to find, we've got to find some compromise, man. I think, I mean, maybe. a small and of course like essentially withheld photo shoot just so she feels as though the outfit's done justice. Make content. Not for public. You know what I mean?

Four years old you've got to protect the child but like you know for her own reference perhaps for future outfits make her feel that you know that people if you know people come over they can she can show pictures of the outfit. It was seen exactly it was documented that's very good advice.

Yeah yeah but then but then ultimately advise you know I understand you're an icon I know people need to understand how to put clothing together and I respect that, but it's also cold and no one will be able to see your outfits if you die of hypothermia. Amazing. You're going to be an incredible father, Jordan Stevens.

Thank you. Amazing. Really good parenting advice. I was going to do something. I don't know. Such two non-parents. Like, that's going to work a dream. It's like, yeah, right.

Yeah, right. Good luck, babe. I love that you take her to Ebbing Forest though. All right? What a great place. What a place. Can we do forests? Listen, bitch. I want to do something. Oh my God, that's a really good idea. Things that have happened in forests.

No, that is too neat. But I think we should go a bit deep. And it's something that I feel like I've released. It's kind of gone in me. And so I've been looking back at how I've lived with it for a long time. And that would be anger. Wow. And I think also it ties in with Lil's album, the lady earlier today that was saying she loves West End Girl. I think that's very sweet. We'll pass it on. I'm sure Lily is quite aware that people like the album by now

but we'll tell her and I think it is a big conversation about oh we've done rage I didn't do it Can I say though I'm like three to four years of therapy in specifically about anger I'd almost go as far as to say

it's like a specialist subject of mine When did we do rage rage and anger are two different things by the way Looking back at the Miss Me archives Lily Allen and Steve Jones did rage But McKee's Roller and Jordan Stevens are going to present anger. The theme for next week's listen, bitch, is... Anger.

And you say what you say. Don't get all Tony the tiger on me. Anger is, listen, I'm three to four years worth of therapy and internal work in, but specifically about anger. And you say that anger is different to rage. In my understanding of it, yes, rage is a toxic anger. Great. Interesting. We'll talk about anger and all the ways it forms in our daily lives and how we deal with that.

Are you an angry person, Makita? No, this is the thing. I thought I wasn't, but because I've actually stepped into this really lovely new place in my heart and my soul, I've realised that I have been quite angry. I was talking about a few yesterday. I've been quite angry for a long time about a lot of things. That's what I like to hear. And that's all right.

And that's all right. It's more than all right. It's necessary. Right. This is going to be fucking great. It's going to be fucking great. And I want a list of all the things that you're angry about. Oh, okay.

I'll make that list today. I love to make that list. No, that's really good for me because I'm trying to think about where it's lived and why. Please send your voice notes to 08,030, 40, 90, and we will take this apart and put it back together, all together like we always do. Yay. See you then. Love you, Jordan.

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