Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! The Bin-ternet

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about the internet.Next week, we want to hear your questions about HOUSE PARTIES. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

BBC Sounds music radio podcasts. This week's episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, adult themes and drug references, but it's Listen Bitch, welcome whoever you is. Welcome now to Listen Bitch. This week we'll be talking about the internet. Oh yes, oh there it is, there it is. It's so jarring. That's how much we wanted to open the gateways

to the World Wide Web. We would sit through that noise. We're not alone in that. A lot of people will remember that noise triggering for some dirty MSN messages you sent or maybe that was just me and Tyson. One time. Anyway, the internet.

Now, the only time I was able to talk about you being like the queen of the internet and invented the internet, et cetera, et cetera, was with your man. So today we can really talk about that kind of, that reign, that power, and I'm being serious. What, when I was the queen of Myspace? Yeah, but also I feel like,

it's sort of like the internet was berthing around that time, so we're just gonna call you the queen of the internet for the purposes of this, listen bitch. Well, I think I was like out of our friends, like I was probably, I was like the early adapter of the internet. Like I was like online wire, downloading songs, and making mixtapes and using the internet

in ways that you guys were not yet. Innovative ways I'd say. But let's save these stories of your reign. Let's involve the world. Can we have our first question for the subject of the internet on today's Listen Bitch in the year 2024? Hey, Lillian Makita. My name is Emma. I've been listening to your podcast from the very beginning and absolutely love it. Me and my friends look forward to it every week, twice a week. I love that you're doing the internet as your topic this week because I feel like you were part of the wave of millennials such as myself growing up with it in your kind of teenage years but now I'm quite guilty of like always relying on going

on Safari or browsers on my phone to just look up the most easy trivial things and then I just keep all those tabs open and it's only when I'm bored and I go and clear them that I realize I've got a ton of random searches on there. So I was gonna ask you what the weirdest thing in a tab that you've got open right now. Bit of investigative work for you both. Have a look at your phones and let us know what the weirdest thing is that you've googled of late. Thanks. Bye. Interesting. But define weird. Okay. How many tabs have you got open? 500. Oh my God. Wow. I've got 58. Okay. The most recent one is the new Ventex inflatable design bike helmet because it taps into something I'm working on. Lily? I've got John Lewis, Vivian Westwood, coat. Oh, capitalism versus neoliberalism.

I don't know why I was looking at that. What is a toilet system? Now we'll save that for this bit. Okay, no, we get it. We get it. We get it. Lifestyle, right? So I guess your tabs do show your lifestyle. I'm a sort of design revolutionary

who's looking into how I'm gonna change the world. Lily's just making sure her life is nice and cozy and safe. Yeah, there's a little, quite a lot of Lily Allen here. So I've obviously still been Googling myself, which I need to not do anymore. So close those. I told you to not do that. We have to, I have disgust with you to not do that.

I know. Right, let's get another question. I quite like that though. Play with your friends today. What do your last tabs say about you? What do your tabs say about you? All right, let's have another question for this nice,

nostalgic episode of Listen, Bitch. Hello, Lily Makita. I hope you're both well. This is Hal from East Sussex, and I have already sent you one of these, but I have this question about the internet, right? And I'm always asking myself it. So I need your thoughts. I am an artist and I've always used social media to kind of promote myself. It's given me several different careers and I wouldn't have had the jobs I'd had if I hadn't had Instagram or whatever. And I know Lily with your MySpace that definitely influenced the early part of your career as well. So it's a gift. Being a creative with the internet is a gift. But the thing is, it just creates this big oversaturated void of creativity that I think

it also becomes a lot harder to have your voice heard or have your work seen. And I'm a bit envious of people in the 1970s who were just kind of, you know, they were a bit more leisurely and a little bit less pressure. So my question is, do you think it's better to be an artist with the internet, or is it presenting more challenges than benefits? Lots of love, take care. Good question.

I think if you can harness it, you know, and it can work for you, then great. Like, I think an example of that is Charlie XCX. She's a master of the digital age and has figured out how to create online pandemonium and her art is about that in itself. So I think that there are certain people that can do really interesting things with it.

I think I was very lucky because I was sort of like on the precipice of a moment that would have happened with or without me. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time. And I'll forever be grateful for MySpace and I miss it. I miss it terribly. I think it was a great website. And it really did change the game.

I think that talking about the internet 20 years ago when MySpace was happening versus now, it's a completely different landscape. And also, you know, when I was using MySpace, CDs were still, you know, not to like blow my own trumpet, but like, I think I sold like 5 million CD physical copies of my music then, even though I was like an internet star. So it translated into real money and power. Now it doesn't. You can be really big on the internet,

or relatively big on the internet, and not make any money at all. Unless you're like Taylor Swift or Beyonce or these huge stars. It doesn't really equate into real economic power. So the internet is great if you can harness it well for a select few people, but it's also devalued art. It just has, I'm sorry. Creativity. Who were the early bad men on the internet artistic wave? Arctic Monkeys were the other big band from MySpace. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, you had bands like the Klaxons

were like big on MySpace. I mean, they never really like crossed over into the mainstream, but I mean, you can't really be a big artist now without being big on the internet, unless you had a huge, you know, unless you're like Pink Floyd or something and you had a huge fan base before the internet

that still exists and is still around. Like, you know, Bruce Springsteen, for instance, can still- Yes, be massive, then use it for now. No, because I don't think that Bruce, I think Bruce Springsteen would still be able to like sell out stadiums without the internet. Yes, that's the kind of artist I'd wanna be. Yeah, same.

I don't wanna use it anymore. I used it, I fucking used her out over the last five years. I was like, all right, me and and you let's go internet. Well instagram Uh, I was like, yeah, let's do this and it was a really good tool and it really helped me but now like today I tried to do a I can't even say it picture of my outfit in the mirror. I was just like I just sort of did a few Perf I can't I don't give a fuck. I just don't give a fuck. Yeah, I really go through phases. But it's really being open to that.

It's like, yeah, sometimes ride it a little bit, but it is really useful. When I'm putting out certain things that I'm gonna put on the next few years, yes, I'll be definitely calling up Instagram again. You say that it's sometimes, but like if you're an artist working with like a major record label,

they would not tolerate you being like, I just don't feel like it today. They'd be like, no, you need to be posting five times a day and linking into this and linking into that. And you need to be across all of the different platforms and they need to be, those platforms need to be talking to each other. Such sheep, they're such sheep.

They're so wrong because actually Charlie XCX used Instagram and the internet for this incredible wave she had this summer But she wasn't there begging every day for attention It's actually not the same thing like Rihanna like she's not out there every day Yeah, but Rihanna hasn't released any music since 2015 or 2014. Well what I mean is when she does you think she's gonna have to do two weeks of like selfies No She'll do an one color square in the vein of Charlie XCX.

And it will be like, what the fuck's happening? What's going on? Rather than like, hey guys, get ready for my new music, coming any day soon, we're doing a countdown. Well, I don't know because, you know, big superstars like that are, you know, they've got their armies, right? So your Beyonce's, your Taylor Swift's,

your Katy Perry's, your Rihanna's, they've got like these sort of armies that do the work, the internet work for them. So, you know, I think as long as she feeds them with enough content for the armies to spread around, then she'll be fine. Yeah, turn it into UGC. What does that mean?

You know what that is, right? User generated content. So it's like, make shit, let them share it, get on with being a pop star. Yeah, but there's a dark arts to that by the way. What do you mean? Well, a lot of those like fan accounts and the, you know, are fake. So, you know, the big artists will have like, you know,

they're people that work for them will have like, you know, 500 600 accounts that they're seeding content to and putting it out as if they're fan accounts that are putting out that content. And then, yeah, that's how they control it. All right, let's not fucking crush everyone's dreams about the industry. Why not? Why not? What is the next question, please?

Hi, Lily and Makita. My name is Candice and I'm from the Highlands up in Scotland. It's really just like I've always been curious, especially in regards to yourself Lily, the comments that you get on social media like on the internet can be horrific. Like I've seen some of your comment sections and you know some of the comments that you've gotten and you know the negative, it's not even negative sometimes it is just pure like nasty and horrible and I I just wonder, like, what effect that has on people in the public eye that have been going through that for, you know, years and years. Like, does that get easier to deal with?

Or I just don't understand. I think if somebody was horrible to me, even like a couple of of comments like I would have a meltdown like do you grow a thicker skin or I think it's important that people realize what effect this has on people I think you sometimes view celebrities as like they're not even human you know but I think it's important to to let people know like yeah we have feelings and this does affect us if it does. Anyway I love the podcast and I love you both so much and really there is like a massive industry, really all inside this whole in the industry right now please come back with something.

Okay love you bye. Can I say something Laila? Yeah. It's lovely to hear from the lady from the Highlands. But I wanted to say that, yeah. I wanted to say that actually I have really had to see what Lily goes through in a very different way. I think I've said that before,

but I think it was really important that throughout this year, when things have got really nasty towards Lil, that Lily has kept doing Miss Me. We've both kept doing it, and it's been very clear the effect it has as a human being just getting through day to day. And I think that's been quite good,

because I don't think there's usually a place where you can see how it's affecting someone. And we have this kind of nuanced opportunity where you've, I think it's just been quite clear what it did to you. Like when you're up and then when you're down and what's happened to make you feel so down and attacked. Yeah, I mean, it's fucking horrible,

but I do think it's partly my fault for looking at it. I think David, my husband, has this analogy. He's just like, it's just a bad neighborhood, right? Like, if you know somewhere is like dangerous and like full of people that are gonna be, you know, mean and horrible, like, don't go there. Don't hang out with that crew. Don't go into that neighborhood.

And I think sometimes when I, you know, am like under attack by like sort of prolific trolls, and there's a sort of humiliation element to it, the way that I square it off is that they're just like a sort of crazy crackhead that I see on the subway. Just like ranting into the abyss. And it's like, I would never engage with that person. I would just get off and go onto another carriage. I'm not going to try and like reason with that crazy person.

Yeah. So I just like, you know, what, what is going on there? It's all to do with them and very little to do with me. And, you know, for the most part, you know, the information that people are reacting to is like nonsense information that has been created for engagements purposes, you know, to get clicks for whatever publications or, you know, traffic to an individual's social media accounts.

Stir it up a bit, yeah. Exactly, and so, it is funny though, like when you're reading something, you know, vicious or like untrue, like that, I do get like, and it's like, it's adrenaline, you know, vicious or like untrue, like that I do get like, it's like, it's adrenaline, you know? I go into like fight or flight and it's like, I really have to, I'm a very reactive person. So it takes a lot in me to go, don't respond, don't engage, don't do this.

But do you think maybe that's the adrenaline of it? It's like, people are not that black and white. It's like, maybe you're chasing it because it's a version of adrenaline, which is addictive. Even if it is bad adrenaline. It's so addictive. And I sometimes like, you know, I feel sorry for, and also know from my own experience

of having like engaged in stuff like that early on in my career. And, you know, not even in the not so recent past, that like, you know, every moment that you are staring into your phone and engaging in like an online war with someone is time that you are not spending making real connections with people in the real world. And it can be so like insidious and dangerous.

And, you know, it can be so like insidious and dangerous and you know it can become your everything and it's like I've got two kids that need me I've got a dog I've got a husband I've got family to visit I've got an album to make like I've got film to shoot in Newcastle in a week like I've got honestly like so much going on that every moment that I spend looking at that stuff and engaging with that stuff is taking me away from the things that actually matter. And yeah, so that's what that's how I think of it. But it's not how I think about it every day. Sometimes I'm in it and I'm stuck in it and I can't get out of it. So

I'm not going to tell you that I have the answers. I really don't, but you know, it's day to day. It depends on the levels of it. I think you're doing great. Thanks, babe. Let's have a break. Yeah, let's have a break. Let's have a, we know how to do this. Let's have a break.

Let's have a breather. And then we come back and then we do more questions. That's how we do it. I'm here standing to attention. I'm going to have a little fun. Welcome back to the show. Fun. Let's have a little fun. Finally, it's happened. What's happened?

It's happened. Finally here. I told you, manifest's happened. What's happened? It's happened. Finally here. I told you. Manifest, manifest. We have finally been name checked in a song! Shut up. Who? Yeah, that's right. You better believe. It's Drake. No, it's not Drake. It is. Let's just say it is not Drake. Will Whel'll come again will Is that actually a shout out though, yeah, he added me and you and it said speaking the truth like my listen bitches

It's had nine likes who was it It's had nine likes. Who was it? Uh, where's Berry? And thank you. Thanks for getting the ball rolling. Let's see how far we can get with this. It's only a beginning, but you never know where the journey will take us. Yeah, okay.

Um, should we get another question? Hi, Lily. I'm Makeda. My name is Stephen. I am calling from Liverpool. I just wanted to talk about the screen time in regard to the Internet so obviously it's with jobs now you everybody has to have a phone and I'm a flight attendant and I have been given a phone through work that I have to use for emails and stuff so there's not

really any getting away from it now I think we've come to understand that. But my question is, do you think it's possible? And if so, how do you manage your screen time? I know that you've spoken about this, Lily, trying to reduce screen time on various social media platforms. But the message I'm wanting particularly is one that you can't really get away from and you have to use every day and I guess emails as well so

when I actually look at my screen time and I had it up it's still a lot higher than I would like it to be so my question is how do you do it and do you actually manage to do it and girls I'm absolutely loving the podcast. I've always got a couple on stock that I like to be behind that because I just like to know at any given time that there's a couple of episodes there that's how I am managing my listen bitch addiction.

Love you girls. I love that. So there's a screen time addiction and a listen bitch addiction. I love that. Well, we'll help keep with the listen bitch addiction. We'll help you with the screen time one. I think it's just got to feel right because I was really worried last year about my screen time and now it's basically zero because I just don't really look at my phone at the

moment. I've just really busy and been really enjoying reading books such as Ralph Lauren, A Way of Living. Just lying just lying to me. Jesus Christ. What else have I been doing? I've been doing sort of a lot of research and writing and stuff, and it's just made everything on the phone feel a little bit loud and busy.

I don't, I don't really limit it. I mean, I try and I'll put things in place and I have this other phone that is- You've got the other phone. Yeah. But when when I'm doing this podcast, I have to carry my iPhone around on the day that we record and the day that the Listen Bitch approvals come through because I can't open the link on my other phone so I can't listen to it to approve it.

So it's our fault. So I have to carry my iPhone around two days a week and then yeah then I get sort of sucked in. So are you quite binge-y with the internet with with screen time once you're in you're sort of suddenly lost an hour? Yeah, yeah. Yeah it's quite a binge-y experience isn't it, screen time. It's like, let me just do five hours and then I'll put it down. It's like, Jesus Christ. That was a long time. I play an hour of tennis and I'm like, it's a long time to do something. It's like, think about how long you were looking at Natin on Instagram.

I don't know though. I feel like, I feel like if you, cause he was talking about how, you know, he gets given a phone for work. I mean, I don't know. If you went to HR and said, look, I've got a real issue with screen time and it's damaging my mental health having to carry this thing around, is there another way that we can communicate what the answer would be?

All right, let's have another question for this week's Listen Bitch, you lovely, lovely bitches. Sorry. Hello. My name's Georgina. I am 35 from Devon originally, but lived in Manchester for the past five years. A huge fan of Listen, Bitch. So thank you very much.

When I think about the internet, I think about rushing home from school to log on to MSN Messenger and put really cringey song lyrics as my status in the hope that my crush would notice and message me. And also, obviously, the glory days of MySpace with your top eight and picking a really cool song to have on my page. I was just wondering if you guys have any particularly cringey memories or things that you wish maybe you hadn't done from that time. Love you guys! Well, yeah, quite a few. I would say with Myspace, I was just like so bait about my top eight.

Oh my god. I would say with MySpace, I was just like so bait about my top eight. Because it's like really weird. It was like quite a lot of like, reorganizing of Nettie, Nick Hadfield, Maritzen, Freddie and Torfeeby. Reorganizing these five people constantly. That was like the so, MySpace was like my soho years. And, but it's a very weird thing to like rank friends. And then what you do is you'd meet someone and then follow each other on my, or add each other on MySpace. And then like, obviously like,

if you really like had a good time with this person, I don't mean fancy, just like friends, stick them in your top eight. And then like, sometimes I like put them as third and then Be like I don't even know this person. They need to leave my top eight. It's quite a sacred place your top eight By the way you would do that in real life as well That was a great of you Disposable

This is Sam and Sarah, she's my best friend I'd be like okay, alright What was her name again? Torfeeby is still with us, thank you very much. She's a shining beacon of light in all our lives and I know you love her, so I was right once. Just once. Was I ever in your top eight?

I don't feel like we were very internety with each other. I wasn't really like that with us. No, my thing was very much like music. Like the Kevical brothers. No, it was more like, you know, the Claxton's, Larrikin Love, Cain, Lash, Adele, Florence. Mystery Jets. Mystery Jets.

I see your top eight and I raise you, my Soho crowd. The only thing that filled, mine was very social based, yours was quite work based. Yeah. God, it would be nice to just have a little topic. Bro, do you remember like HTML coding? Like to get your background, you had to like go to like another website

that you'd like copy and paste the HTML code and then like input that on your background thing and then it would like show up. And mine had like those flashy, like pastel colored dots like in the background. Oh yeah yeah is that what you went through to get that fucking screen thing? Iconic. Iconic! What about um did you like if you had to because I remember I was trying to put music on my iPod and it was a fucking nightmare I had to download the something and then get a wire and then you have to put it on your iPod what did you you have to do? Is it the, what's the download called? You know MusiKey.

And MP3? MP3. Thank you very much. An MP3 for like every shit 90s R&B tune I wanted to put on my iPod. I was like, this is long. Even then I knew. You had to convert to MP3 and then download and and then and then copy and drag drag it onto your Drag it on to your I've had playlist All the iPod shall we have a final question for this week's listen bitch. It's been nice to dance Dance down memory lane dance down it. What's the memes are good. Memes are good Memes are good. Memes are good. Hate them. Memes are good. Memes are good. Fucking memes are good.

Hate a meme. Next question. I love a meme. Refuse to discuss memes. Hi, Lillian Makita. This is Nikki in London. I am out walking my dog at the moment. But I have a question, R.A.V. Internet. Lillian, I know it was quite instrumental in launching your career, but maybe just wish it didn't exist. And if so, why? What would we do without it? What would life be like without it? Bye.

Lily, what would life look like without the internet? We'd probably just be like walking around outside a bit more, like engaging with each other. I don't know, like probably not like ordering food off Deliveroo and Door Dash. We'd be like cavemen, wouldn't we? We'd be cooking for ourselves, growing things and discussing and conversing around campfires. It would have been great.

It would be like the 80s or the 90s, but just maybe with some other stuff. Actually, that's probably why I'm so obsessed with 80s and not 80s, but 95, particularly documentaries and films and TV shows, because I guess it was the last bit. That's why I like that bit so much at the moment. And that's probably why that mid 90s feels like such a strange time because you kind of, it didn't know it was the end of a time. And it really was. Fucking love 1995.

I really want to go back just for that year. Really loved that time. I'm just thinking about my comment that I made earlier about the internet being like a bad neighborhood and now I'm thinking I'm gonna take that analogy even further and be like those huge artists that have got like big armies are essentially like, they're gangsters from the bad neighborhoods.

They're like running county lines of like trolls. She's on one doing their dirty work for them. You know? Yeah. I'm starting to see it. It's a good metaphor. Yeah. That was lovely guys. Did I get to tell my internet stories? No I think I'll leave the spicy MSN. Oh you know what I do have quite a good internet stories. No, I think I'll leave the spicy MSN. Because remember, I only have... Oh, you know what? I do have quite a good internet story. Well, when Twitter actually worked and like having 6 million followers or whatever meant that 6 million people saw what you tweeted. Yeah.

I... And it made me very unpopular with black cabs, as in like London taxis. But I tweeted my Uber code because you got like free money in your Uber account. And if people signed up to Uber using your code, then it like gave you credit. And I literally for like four years didn't pay for an Uber. Pay for an Uber. Yeah, because so many people signed up through my code that I was just like in credit. See, this is what I mean by it's not just the MySpace thing. I feel like you and the internet were meant to meet to do really weird, powerful things together. Like get Uber credit.

No, but I feel like when it was around, I was like, this is weird. You were like, this is fascinating. What is this thing? Yeah, but what about when I turned down like 200 bitcoins or whatever it was to do a gig on Second Life and now it'd be worth like 17.8 billion. That was pretty dumb. Well, I think you have more interesting things in the world to do than be a bitcoin millionaire. Really? I'd be quite happy to sit on 17 billion pounds. I'd be richer than Jeff Bezos. No, you must share your gifts, Lily Allen. Okay. Sit around on an island. I won't have it. I won't allow it. If I had that much money, I wouldn't do

like the yacht thing. I wouldn't do, I wouldn't be so like cliché as all those guys. But would you really just want to sit around with loads of money? I can't think of anything worse. Sit around on loads of money that was just given to you. What is the point? I want to make it, grow it, evolve it, earn it, bask in reward. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I'd be basking in the rewards right about now. That's what I would have made it by doing my little gig on Second Life and I'd just be like, you know, maybe I would have bought like a, you know, an animal conservation project or something and I'd be doing that. But it would be like philanthropic, you know, in some ways. Maybe I would shut down the internet.

I make loads of money and then closed down the thing I... Sink it. Yeah. Sink the internet. Welcome to the internet game on Listen Bitch. A game where we'll play certain clips and me and Makita will try and guess what those clips are. Well, yes, quite.

The sound of, go on, Will. Oh, this is good. You got mail. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Nearly. MSN messenger? Did it in? Apple mail? It's not Apple mail. AOL. AOL, it's AOL. This is your kind of game, Lil, let's go. Next clip.

Text message, Nokia. No, Blackberry. BBM. Yes. Oh, if you were lucky, that was a sex notification a sex notification that be like yeah, you're right You're right. Yeah, where you at? Where you are? Yeah. Yeah where you at? It's outside your house in a minute again

Sorry Let me just get a mini cab. Sorry, should we have another one? Another one. Hello, good evening and welcome. I'm Buzz. It's Buzz! Oh my God, it is Buzz! Ah, it is Buzz! I did it.

Oh my God! I did it, I got it, I got it. Oh my God, she's so annoying. Oh guys. I'm gonna get Buzz for the house warming present for the new yard. Why don't we get it for the Christmas party? Can't we play the Christmas party

somehow? Because we're gonna be in public. I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll go to the Devonshire then we'll go to karaoke and then afterwards I'll get a hotel room at Ketniss and we can all play Buzz. We can all play Buzz. Devonshire then we'll go to karaoke and then afterwards I'll get a hotel room at Ketniss Like the good old days get ready team see we'll show you I'll have a good time That sounds like such a great night by the way, and then no more clips. Is that it? Yeah, I love that Come on, bring it bring it

That's like the Microsoft opening windows. 1999. 97. Okay. 2003. 1998. 98. Yes. Yes. Next one. Let's go. That's MSN. Woohoo! Okay. Okay. That was so fun. Let's try and do that for every listen bitch. And next week's listen bitch theme is house parties. The classic house party. I thought they were done and dusted, but Autumn, who's 23, has reassured me they are not. And they've actually made a comeback, which means they did go. And there's all these new ways that people are having house parties, but we, we know

how to throw a house party and we come from great stock that have thrown great house parties our whole lives. So I feel like we're experts in this. We can share the vibe a little. Quite often people have thrown house parties in my house against my will. And also while I've not been conscious. Yes, it was. After the Glamour Awards, when I got carried out of there in a K-hole, I woke up the next morning and like

everyone famous was in my house, like passed out. From the Glamour Awards was at your house. Yeah, it's like James Corden, like Noel Fielding. Dominic Cooper. Like, Claxon's, Dominic Cooper. Like everyone was there. Mark Ronson, I was like, ah.

Has it ever occurred to you that when you were mash up, leaving the glamour or do you didn't say to everyone, at my house, 20 minutes? Absolutely not, I was in a K-hole. So someone put me into the back of a cab and drove me home and I got straight into bed. And then I woke up in the morning and I Googled myself, keeping it on the internet theme.

And I saw the pictures of me being actually passed over the railings by security and bundled into the back of a taxi on my own. It's an absolute classic. We'll get the shot for next week's ListenVich. Alan Carr was also there. Alan Carr was also there. Next week's ListenVich theme is house parties.

Tell us about your best, tell us about your worst, tell us about the ones you wanna have, tell us about the ones you dream of having. Let's just do it. I never want a house party in my house again. Oh, I know that house is too nice for a party of that kind. People can obviously send their voice notes to 08000 30 40 90. Number hasn't changed. Neither has the directive. Send your voice notes to 08000 30 40 90. Can I say one thing as well?

People always tell us where they live, which I love, but I would also, I'd like to know, not where you live anymore, or if you want to, but I'd like to know what you do. Short and concise, but what do you do in the world? I'd really like to know that. Landscape, gardener. I'd like to know what your house is worth.

Okay. Okay. What you do and how much your house is worth. I like to know your name, where you come from, what your net worth is, and what kind of mortgage you bought. Ha ha ha. Like a census. It's like, I won't miss me census.

Miss me bitch census. All right, we must go, goodbye. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneka production for BBC Sounds. Who done it? Crime conundrums.

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