Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! The Cunning Linguist

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

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Welcome to... What we're talking about? Etymology on Listen Bitch. Etymology. Etymology, the theme for this week's Listen, bitch. Been waiting for years. The origins of words.

Yes. I'm buzzing about, I've been waiting for ages, man. Should we say what etymology is in case? Etymology is the root meaning of words, basically. It's where do these words come from? Have they mutated? Have they been mashed together through a series of, you know, colonial movements or intercultural love affairs?

Were they invented by Shakespeare? Like, honestly, were they invented by JME? Who knows? Definitely some, definitely some by JME and Shakespeare. Yeah. Let's get your words. What words do you want to discuss? First question, please.

Hi, Mackey and Jordan. My name is Shalda. I live in South London. I was so excited when I saw that you were doing etymology this week. I'm a deputy head teacher in a secondary school in South London. And one of the things that we have implemented is our students are learning, spending like 20 minutes in tutor time each week learning the etymology of certain words. So I'm super passionate about it, mainly because there's like no better way to create young people who are word curious and word rich.

One of my favorite things to tell them is about the kind of misogyny and sexism of certain words like the word lunatic coming from lunar, meaning moon and linking to females and menstrual cycles. and similarly with the word hysteria. I think into that word hiss coming from the word for womb and how that can really impact the way that we look at female behaviour very differently. I just wondered if there are any words that you really love explaining the root or the etymology of and why that is. We have a lot of teachers listening to Miss Me, which I absolutely love. Yeah, I love that too.

Teachers are great, big up teachers forever. Well, I mean, this lady is a deputy. had in South London and they're doing the etymology classes. Wow. Yes. It's good. It's amazing. I do remember that hysteria. Well, me and Lily talked about that, I think, on an episode. But great to be reminded and to let more people know. Unless I'm wrong, isn't there a film where like they invented the vibrator because the doctor who was like fingering all these women got like repetitive strain syndrome? I don't know why you're laughing. It's actually a really serious matter.

What, that his wrist, that is wrist. Women, what was it actually? I don't know whether it's the, I don't know what way around it. is, but it's something like the orgasm was to soothe them of this thing called hysteria. Sounds great. Can you imagine if that was like on the cards now, like, I've just got to go see the doctor. I mean, it's actually interesting because the orgasm does calm the mind. Sometimes, yeah. It is quite an interesting form of medication.

Yeah. Physical medication. I mean, basically we're talking about doctors this time. What's the cunningus of fingering? Anyway, director just said anyway, favorite words. Anyway, favourite words? Cunningus, there you go, exactly. I like that.

It sounds like cunning linguist. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, as we said on the vagina episode, there aren't many beautiful words around that area and the fact that the act to excite that area would take a cunning linguist. I love that.

Yeah, I know. It would take a cunning linguist to get me excited. You know if you walk outside and you go, oh, it feels a bit nippy. Yeah. As in it's cold. Because it's like a bite. Oh, yeah. It's an extension of nip.

The bite of the cold. And I love that. I love the fact that there's like a, what do they call that pathetic fallacy? You personify weather or personify something that's... Oh, well, I thought it was a homonym or a homophone. Hold on. A pathetic fallacy. meaning is a literary device

that attributes human emotions, feelings or sensations to inanimate objects, animals or nature, often to reflect the character's internal mood or set the atmosphere. Give me another example. Human emotion. So if the weather is biting. Ah, got you.

You're attributing something we would associate with like a human being or maybe lovers in the air as a phrase is kind of like a pathetic fallacy or like the sky is angry to describe lightning or I don't know. Yeah, I do like, for sunification of inanimate objects.

The sun was smiling. But I suppose the sun is not an inanimate object. What are these things? No, it's not just inanimate objects. Animals or nature as well. That's it, great. Done, cool, great. Next question.

Next question. Hi, I'm Akita and Jordan. It's Shannon from Bridgall in Dorset. I just want to know what you thought about how language evolves and changes in regards to meaning and maybe context as well. For example, I'm gay, but I would maybe use the word queer sometimes. and previously that's been used as maybe a slur

or just something not very nice used to describe something maybe odd or not right but not in that context yeah maybe something was off and so I guess the context matters but yeah what do you think about language being reclaimed for different purposes maybe because it's a certain person saying it

or for just a change in a positive way I guess yeah what do you think about that brilliant gold star as a third question for me Don't you just love when Litton bitch feels like the best school in the world? I actually just looked up the etymology of the word school because I was thinking that of the fact that the woman said before that her school teachers etymology, which is a dream.

Children, sometimes I love you so much. Tell me the etymology of the word school. It's from the ancient Greek word, I'm not even trying to pronounce that, but it looks like Scholl, which surprisingly meant leisure, spare time or idleness. And oh my God, it even intersects with what the woman just said then. It evolved to describe the leisure used for learning discussion and philosophical debate, eventually referring to the place where such activities occurred rather than the traditional study.

Right, yeah, exactly. So no fucking curriculum was involved. Curriculum is really what invaded this lovely school. Well, by the time it got to Old English, it then translates as place of instruction, which is a lot less fun than free time. Well, quite. Yeah, but isn't it mad that, like, actually, you know, we associate the Greeks with, they held intellect or intellectual pursuit

like in quite high regard. Right. And the fact that their word for intellectual pursuit was free time. That's really interesting that it was seen as leisure to learn, whereas now, I think I speak for a lot of people feels like a chore.

Do you know what I mean? A school does anyway. Well, I suppose school is, yes, school shapes learning as an instruction. And if we go back to our Greek ancestors, they saw it as a freedom and a leisure. So, yeah, to answer that recent quest, oh, go on, sorry. Well, I was going to bring up Tina Turner, if I may be so bold.

Okay. Because if you haven't seen the Tina documentary, stick it on, learn something. That's me. And what they talk about, an amazing moment in it is when she's divorcing Ike Turner, the husband that is so brutally violent and awful to have for so many years, and it takes so much courage to leave this man. And he takes everything, everything, cars, money, da, da, and she says, I want my name.

And remember, it was his name. He's Ike Turner. And he fights for that so much. And the reason he fights for her to take the name is because he knows what she will do with it. To take it is to reclaim it. It's like she's Tina Turner. She has the surname of the man who abused her and brutalized her.

But look what she did with it. So I think the idea of reclaiming a name, reclaiming a word is beautiful. And extremely powerful. I wouldn't want to say the N word anywhere. out loud. But there is something to be said of the way black culture in America has found ways to reclaim that word for the black community for themselves. But I still think it's a very problematic issue around that word.

I think there are certain words that may have been reclaimed, but still have such ties to evil and darkness. So it's complicated. It's definitely split, I think, culturally in terms of schools of thought, whether or not, you know, the overusing of a word historically used to demean and then kind of removing it of that meaning, whether that's a good or bad thing. I think people are split. To me, I think it's kind of cool to say something so much. It doesn't really have the same way. But like, what I find interesting is that even with that, there's a separation of like how you

say it. You know, it ultimately comes down to intent. Yes. Which is interesting because I have, and I, my disclaimer before I say this, I have a very unique relationship. it with that word because I personally wouldn't use it. It just doesn't come natural to me. I have black mates who would use it casually and maybe I'd say it back with them, you know, just in that kind of space. But having it said to me, there's this interesting other part of the situation. Like there's basically there's a, there's a, there's a large proportion of people who could say it and I just, I just would not care. And I have made the choice in that moment that you won't get a rise out of me. I will choose to remove that power from you.

I have a friend who is on the same way with me about this. Not everyone. There are some people who might be in a position of more power within the framework of the world that we live in. And for me, if they're trying to disempower me, then I would up the stakes just because of that as a move. But there are people who, like, for example, like, there are just some people who, like,

if they were in a particular situation or, I don't know, if someone, I don't know, I can't describe it. I just like, I don't live by the rule that anybody could say that and I would react with violence because that's as a loss to me. Do you know what I mean? You don't get that energy. If anything, I will laugh because I'll be like, that says a lot more about you than it does me.

That's hilarious. You think what a word's going to bring me down? Like, Bossman, sort your life out. That's why they call it spelling. Well, they call those curse words, more importantly. Like, they consider it to be a curse on a person to say those words. Yes, words are powerful. And that's why Bruce Lee says,

don't say bad things about yourself to yourself, even as a joke. I do that all the time. Me too I've started doing this new weird thing which is quite good which is where you say your name 10 times in the morning when you wake up with real love

Yeah that's cool I say I love you to myself in my head That's a new practice more Very good Fuck that's hard that one I don't with my last name I have a real issue You know it's interesting you said that

about Tina Turner I think for her as well She'd obviously already established herself So it's like I'm leaving you But you don't get to take my career That I rate But for me personally, like, I think I've said this on this podcast already, it's a complex ongoing conversation with my family

because like Stevens is a slave name and I want rid of it. Like I want to change that shit. But then the argument is many other Stevens have bared the weight and in some ways transmuted the energy. I'm like, fuck that shit. Well, you can always change it. I mean, hello, Makita Oliver. That's not our name.

I know. But in the Ralph Lauren documentary I watched the other day, he was called Lip-Shits. And he changed it. to Lauren because he said he was sick of this shit. So you can always change it. Yeah. You can always change it.

But it's great to be aware of that. Yeah. Like nothing is just a name. Nothing is just a word. You have to sort of learn what you were talking about. One can master the art of not letting words hurt them. For instance, the word bankrupt, Jesus. When people said that near me about me, it would be like,

red be on my forehead and that's all I am. And I lost everything. Mistakes, failure. I had to learn how to let that word. first be softer. Now it just falls off me. Actually, it doesn't fall off me. Now I hold it.

I can say it. I went bankrupt. Yeah. But that was really hard for years and years. And it's just a word, but it's not. I know. Yeah, because for you subjectively, it has that extra way. I hear you.

Subjectively, and also objectively from others. Like, you were bankrupt. Yeah. I hear you. But I think my point was there just might be some people who also had been bankrupt or gone bankrupt and there might not be as deep for them. Yeah, there were some uncles that were. we're quite understanding.

I mean, 50 cent went bankrupt as a financial move. So there we are. I wrote my list of people that went bankrupt when I went bankrupt and it was helpful.

Can I say one other thing about queer? Is this interesting the listener said that because we, both Jade and I have used that word in interviews for various reasons

and like internationally there are countries where that's still considered to be really insulting. I think Jade actually got in quite a lot of trouble once for using that word. People still maintained

its initial damage. Yeah, well, queer has essentially been reclaimed as a word. But it's also crazy with so many of those words because they also were claimed. So like gay didn't always mean homosexual. Well, gay meant happy. It meant happy. Gay meant happy.

Can I say the one word that used to hurt me a lot, which I, well, they're not hurt, which has been like, is nice. Hate the word nice. Unless you're talking about rapping ability. If someone's like, yo, he's nice, then that's like, right, cool, you're a good rapper. But like anything else is like, yeah, he's really nice.

Oh yeah, that was really nice. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, it was nice. Like, what the fuck are we talking about? I need more from my discourse. I need more than nice. Like, also, if someone's like, yeah, he was so nice. Or like when I was younger, like cute.

Oh, shut the fuck up. What is it about, is it a fear, if it's applied to you, if it's applicable to you, a fear that that's, you're more complex than just nice. Or everything is, a film, a meal, a day out. Everything is more complex than just nice. You need more. I feel like nice is almost.

always paired with a person who is like performative. It's dry. Yeah, like, like, it's a person. It's like, yeah, they're just keeping everyone happy at their own expense. Like, being nice actually is an issue. It's quite weak. You think it's quite weak. Well, look, here the etymology of the word nice, it says it originates from the Latin.

Oh my God, this is wild. This is so, my intuition knew this shit. The word nice has undergone a dramatic reversal of meaning originating from the Latin to mean foolish, ignorant or silly. Over centuries, it shifted through meanings of fastidious, delicate, and precise before acquiring its pleasant, agreeable meaning in the 18th century. Oh, yeah, yeah, try, try. And also, like, yeah, exactly.

And also nice, I've had to learn this myself as a people pleaser. Like, being nice doesn't help anyone. Even the person who you're being nice to does not help them. People need boundaries. Absolutely. I'm implementing boundaries all over the shop at the moment. and what is being lost is niceness. No more Mr. Nicekeets.

No more Mr. Nice Keats. Yeah. Let's have another question. Hello, Jordan and Makita. This is Annabel from Paris. I'm currently at the dog park, so you may hear some dogs barking. A huge fan of the theme because I'm a big history geek, studied history at university. but my question is I was living in the Netherlands for about four years

and even though a lot of things are translated into English I found out that actually there are a lot of words in Dutch that come from French and I was so surprised. Someone said to me, well, you say parapri for umbrella and they say parapru. So then I started digging and of course this is all linked to history and Napoleon. and I was wondering if you'd ever had the kind of a similar thing when you went travelling or finding out that a word that you thought was profoundly English was actually French, for example.

Just curious. Have a lovely day. Bye. Thank you, Annabelle in the dog park in Paris. Well, from Dorset to Paris. That's just like, that's why I like people telling us where they are. That's beautiful. It's really cool.

To Sri Lanka, to London. Like, that's pretty amazing in one of the United. episode. Yeah. Well, I just don't know, you know. I had the opposite, which was that when I was looking for words to kind of attach my potential identity to or just to be intrigued by, I remember when I was in Guyana, I went to, Guyana has one of the world's, if not the world's largest single fall waterfall.

It's really far. It's like over 200 metres, I think, or feet. But the meters, meters. What, bigger than Niagara Falls? Yeah. Wow. It's called Kai Chir. right? And then I was like,

yo, what does Kaichu mean? And then it found out that like the Native Americans prior to colonialism or whatever named at Kaichur because the story goes that there was a chief who basically rode off the edge of the waterfall to stop a war to basically prevent

a war from getting worse between these two tribes. Kaitzsche apparently translates as the chief who sacrificed himself, right? And I was like, whoa, that's so cool, so deep. And then I looked more into it. And then there was just, I remember just reading up going, although this may have just been a made-up story to the colonialists. And then it just evolved into this whole other possibility where I'm just like. That's just what they told them.

Yeah. It's difficult to know that like because ultimately languages or stories or what teachings are always passed down, you know, like orally through tradition, you know, things can be mistranslated. Things can be confused. Sometimes people can do things for a laugh. Like it's so, yeah, there just really isn't any completely surefire. away. That's why this work that we're doing here today is so important, I think. I'm not joking. I just think it's interesting. Well, like with England as well, when, I mean, this caller spoke about French to Dutch. The whole thing about colonialism is that, you know, essentially like the French,

the English, the Dutch, the Danish, whatever, they're like going around the world, taking things from cultures and they're maybe perhaps exchanging things. But then you end up with words as part of our dialect and language that have gone on for so long that we forget that they're even from somewhere else. the British language is one of the most obvious signposts that we've run around the world. Stealing. You know, the idea. Yeah, when people are talking about ethno nationalism and stuff, it's like, well, do you want to change the vocabulary to begin with?

Because like, pajamas, for example, is like an Indian word. Yes. I like that. Yes. You know, we say rendezvous. Yeah, we kept, but we basically kept what we felt like. It's just certain phrases or like, or that we just say for fun. Like, that's nice.

We'll get that one. All right, let's have a break, Keats. So we're getting a bit wordy. Dive into the bonkers world of David Mitchell and Robert Webb and listen to their BBC comedy show. From nonsensical maths quiz number wang to finding out what James Bond is really like as a party guest. There's something for everyone.

Hello, MOTT AAT. Yes, that's right. This is the Ministry of Things that are apparently true. Yes, we do exist. The rumours are true, ironically. Start listening to that Mitchell and Webb sound, the complete series 1 to 5, wherever you get your audio books. All right, well, back from a break. I don't know the root of the word break, but let's continue with the next question. Good evening, Jordan and Makita. My name is Kelly, a long-time listener. I'm 48. I live in Shore and by C, and I own a little bookshop.

So the other night I was talking to my daughter, her and her friend are doing a project at college, and we somehow got round to talking about words, and feminism, etc. And I said, I'm sure there's something really interesting about the word hysterectomy. So we looked it up and sure enough, back in the day when men thought we were all witches, when we were perimenopausal and premenstrual,

they thought the best way to stop this occurring was to remove the source. So yeah, the name hysterectomy comes from removing hysteria. and it's hard to believe that it's 2026 and that procedure is still called a hysterectomy. Yeah, I thought you might have found that interesting. Wow.

It's nuts, right? Yes, I agree with you. The fact that it's still what hundreds and hundreds and thousands of years, well, maybe a thousand years later, and we are still calling it a hysterectomy to remove, I imagine the crazy out of it. I don't think it's a thousand yet, a couple hundred. Maybe 500 is? No, not 500, a couple.

No, sorry, more like 200 years. Yeah, okay, sorry, I don't say that again. Yes, even 200 years later, we're still doing that. But what's crazy is, you know, we do that with dogs, right? Like a bitch has to get her womb taken out. Could we just call it something gentler than that? Because I've got to do that with Zedi in like a month and I'm freaking out. No, no, but my point was going to be, have you gone through a season with Zedi?

Two, that's why it's time. I've honestly, when Mimi, was on heat, I have never in my life seen anything like it. This is what I'm talking about. And my dogs, like, our dogs are pretty, right? No, McKee, they don't think, did you just say our dogs are pretty? Yes, they do. Yes, they do.

I'm sorry. Zeddy's a piece of ass. I can't believe you think dogs. You think dogs are, like, eight dogs on the horizon, Jordan, lined up. Mokita thinks these dogs. Look up the socks. And they're like, you're pretty. You don't think attractiveness is based in it at all.

No, Megita. No. Yeah, I think it is. Dogs don't have beauty standards. Yes. Not beauty standards and standards, but they still have levels of attraction. Don't they? That's bullshit.

I definitely think they do. They might have something to do with like, I think it'd have to be more utilitarian. Like, it'd have to be like, this dog seems, I think. athletic or this dog's size is worthy of motherhood or fatherhood. They wouldn't be like, I love her golden coat. No, no, it can't be.

It's not going to be a shallow aesthetic. That's actually blown my mind. It's not shallow. Isn't that interesting? Imagine our lives without that. Imagine if that was eradicated for us as well. What do you mean? Sexual attraction based on aesthetics.

No, but like what a simple life of you. You were just like, but you know what? Actually, that's interesting because our attraction is based on things like childbearing. hips and things like that. They're like... Yes. Dogs do not have human-like aesthetic beauty standards.

They do have preferences based on familiarity, scent and social cues. All right, well, she must be a really fucking familiar scent then. Makita, the fact you think these dogs are like, your dog's fear is crazy.

That is like... No, me, it's because humans call her beautiful all the time, but I guess dogs feel differently. Got it. Wow. I... I... Yeah. No, unfortunately, beauty standards are something that most are certainly,

not only human developed, but again, subjectively developed by humans and very questionable, very questionable. What about birds? No, Makita, beauty standards are an egoic concept.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, and also beauty ultimately should be about how someone makes you feel but that's like a whole other thing. Absolutely, sure, sure, we'll get into that on another one. Well, no, actually, sorry, tell a lie,

tell a lie, people do, sorry, that our animals will do things to mate. Thank you. So, like, peacocks have, like, big displays of, of, like, of like, yeah, that's fair. Okay, so I'm not crazy. Yeah, you're right, actually.

Yeah, so there'll be performances, I guess, in an animal kingdom. But I don't think things like symmetry, I don't think that the animals would, I don't think they'd have like the same kind of specificity. Okay, that's fucking good to know. Thank you for, thank you right now, understand that because I really should know that. I would like to just, I would like to list some words, just to go back briefly to the other caller. I want to list some borrowed words in the English language that might surprise people.

Yeah. Super fast. Right? I'm going to go super fast. Here are the words in English language we've stolen. Boom. French. Entrepreneur, cafe, buffet, amateur, bureau, chef, cinema. Spanish.

Patio, Armada, Canyon, Mosquito. Guerrilla, as in guerrilla warfare. Plaza, Italian, graffiti, broccoli, piano, opera, scenario, studio. German, angst, kindergarten, rucksacacac, delicatessen, Arabic, sofa, algebra, alcohol, cotton, lemon magazine, Hindi slash Urdu, shampoo, bungalow, pajamas, jungle, lute. Japanese, tsunami, tycoon, karaoke, emoji, ramen, Dutch, boss, cookie, yacht, landscape, skipper. There are other ones, fringe ones like chocolate, kangaroo, robot and vodka.

Chocolate! Okay. Whoa, dude. Do you know what I'm saying? Did not know that? Yeah. All right. Sorry.

Cool. Final question. That was bloody great. God, we, this is a great school and I love attending it. Next class. Next question. Final question. Hello.

I'm Hannah from Sondi. Stockport. Firstly, I want to say, I did not realize that Georgian did solo music until he mentioned it in the podcast and I'm obsessed with it now. I love it, especially wicked. My daughter loves wicked, my six-year-old. She keeps asking me, is it wicked as in bad wicked or is it wicked as in good? I was like, I think it's wicked as in awesome. I'm not actually sure, though. My question about etymology is, do you know the etymology of your name? I've just Googled mine. I'm Hannah and it's associated with grace, favour. Like I've been favoured by God, which is cool. My kids' names I've googled and they are mainly biblical and my husband is biblical. Yeah, do you know

the etymology of your name? My name is made up. Well, mine isn't because I've got the same name as a country and river. Oh yes, darling. Of course you are the Bible. The name Jordan originates from the Hebrew name Yarden, which means to flow down or descendant. send referencing to the river Jordan. Do you know why Emma called you, Jordan? The story goes that my mum passed over the baton to my dad and he rung his mate and asked him what he should call this kid and he said Jordan.

What Herman's like, right, what do you think I should call this son I'm having? Probably to do it with Michael Jordan. Yeah, he just gave him a ring, was like, boss, what shall I call my kid? And he's like, I don't know, Jordan's a nice name. You're like, all right, done. You're lucky that guy didn't say Ian. Ian's a great name. That's not fair.

Ian's a great name. I know a great Ian. Ian is a great name. All the names that are going extinct is sad, man. Like, the only names that are odd, you know, names are you only know grandparents who are called that. Can you tell me, can we find out the most popular kid name of last year? Let's see where the world's at. Oh, right.

No, let's do place our best. Chloe. Tom for boys. Okay, you think Tom for boy, I think Chloe. For girl Laura. No, no, no. It's not 10 years ago. It's not Laura.

I just feeling like I should change Chloe to Olivia. No, I think it is Chloe. Yeah, you are. Oh, no, 20203 was Olivia. Oh, shit, man. That's good, though. No, but that's good. Right.

That's... Noah, Noah is the top. Oh, I bet it is. I bet it is. Oh, Theo. Theo a second. Fuck, when Theo was called Theo, my cousin, you know, Thelonius, he's named after the jazz instrumentalist,

Thelonious monk. No one was called Theo. I can't believe that's number two. The title of this article, Mohammed overtakes Noah as most popular boy's name. Of course Noah's up there. I was so off. I was so off.

My name is not even in the top 10. What did I say? Tom, I was like, that's 20 years ago, babe. Tom and what was the other one I said? Alora. Okay, so I've got a top 10 for you in 2023. Muhammad and Noah is very religious. And also, they're very close, which is indicative of the world at large.

After that is Oliver, which obviously I should have said Oliver, George, Leo, Arthur, Luca, Theodore, Oscar. I love Oscar. and Henry. And then for women, it's Olivia, Amelia, Ila, it's third. Really? Lily, fourth, Freya, Ava, Ivy,

Florence, Willow and then Isabella. God, we keep it kind of classic with the girl ones, don't we? I've not met one Willow. No, I know a Willow. What are we talking about? I know a Willow. Oh, because they were born in 2023.

It's good that I've not met any Willows. Exactly. It's like these are modern playgrounds that I'm in a lot, with my friends with kids, by the way. There's a lot. Modern playgrounds that I'm in a lot. No, but I'm also really interested in what people call their kids. So I always ask what's your kid's name.

I love names. My favorite moment in a kid name history is obviously Katie Hopkins. Do you remember this moment? When she was on this morning back in a day, she was speaking to Holly Willoughby and she said, I know whether or not a child is respectable by their name, right? Because parents call their kids stupid names like, Apple or like a

named after somewhere I loved Apple but got you or named after replace or whatever like Brooklyn and then they went what's your kid's name and she said India can't write this shit Katie Hopkins is you're fucking joking

anyway no no India is a nice name yes it's a lovely name let's talk about our names my name sorry the guys the team's saying that they found the etymology which is freaking me out because my mom made up my name particularly the spelling. Like you can have, basically, this is what I was told.

You tell me my mom's been lying to me my whole life. It was from the African Makita, and then my mom liked Chiquita, the way that was spelled, like I-Q-U-I-T-A. And then she merged the two. There are people called Makita now, spelled like mine. I've seen in like Spain,

maybe like South America. But that feels like recent. What do you know? Okay, well, okay, thank you, Caitlin. I mean, I need to go have a conversation with my mother now because the whole thing is that she made my name up, but apparently it might be Swahili. I've never met another Makita.

That's all I needed to know. That's all I needed to know. Thank you very much, Jordan. I love my name. Thank you, Mum. But if you've lied to me, we need to have discussion. We're going to leave you in paradise. We're going to let you enjoy this paradise.

We're going to just another day in paradise for Jordan while he goes on this pilgrimage towards the soul. And Zawi Ashton, the wonderful Zawi Ashton is going to come back and we are going to have some fun. We're going to have Gurley Miss Me for everyone that's missed me. We're going to talk about late night feeding. Zawi's just had another baby. She's got two kids on the age of two.

You want Gurley Miss Me? Pillow fights that sleepovers. Pillow fights and sleepovers. Manicures. We're going to do it. it all, all, alright? Girlie miss me, coming your way. Good luck out there. Good luck, I'm not going to see you for

two weeks. Good luck. Yeah. I mean, I'll talk you on the phone. Listen, I hope everybody enjoys Zawi. She's fucking great. Yeah, she's going to be great. And I'll see you in a couple of weeks, man. See you on the other side, soldier. The theme for next week's listen, bitch, is crying.

It's crying, and you're going to be crying with Zawi. Maybe. Might be laughing. Who knows? Same thing. Same thing. Deep. And all right, guys, listen, I'm out for a couple of weeks. You guys have the splendor of listening to Zahiyashson, who is wonderful. Yes. See you soon. Love you, Keats.

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