Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! The Patriarchy (Lite)

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions the patriarchy. When did they first realise the patriarchy exists? What tips do they have for overcoming the patriarchy? How should you deal with misogynistic comments in the workplace?Next week, we want to hear your questions about BOOBS. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Matt Thomas Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. This week's episode of Listen Bitch contains very strong language and some adult themes as well. it's time for listen bitch this is all yours this is all yours today i'm gonna say nothing no that's not fair i made it quite clear last week and you agreed that you were going to join

in and you weren't gonna let me just take all of the flack like I normally do. Listen, bitch, I've got notes. I've got notes. Don't worry about me. How are you not going to talk with those? Are you going to just post them into the homepage? Jesus. I'm just going to put them on the show notes.

No, I just mean you take us to the bridge, as it were. Take us to the bridge. Just say welcome to Listen Bitch. Welcome to Listen Bitch. This week we are talking about the patriarchy. I've written some stuff down. I've done some historical researching of my life and how the patriarchy has affected it.

But for now, I want to know what you guys think. I just know we take this to the floor immediately, Lilz. I really just want to learn this episode. I haven't got much to say. Just want to learn. That's nice. This is a space to learn. Can we have our first moment of education on the patriarchy?

First question, please. Hi, Makita, and hi, Lily. I love your podcast. So thank you very much for cheering me up over the last few weeks. My name's Michael. I live in a small village called Moberly, which is to the east of Knutsford, and about 16 or 17 miles south of Manchester, just so that you understand exactly where I am. So I know you love your geography. My question is, when did it dawn on you uh that there's a patriarchal system what was the moment or the experience and what did you do thank you thank you Michael for being I do I love I really kick so now I'm thinking about like

I wonder what kind of house you live in what does your street look like so yes I love the details and the specificities um Lil do you want to go first when did you first first realize that we live in a patriarchal society um i actually think it might have been on the day that my first single smile actually was my second single uh went to number one in the charts and i was at tea in the Park Festival and I was interviewed by I think it was someone from the NME and they said how are you gonna celebrate your number one and I made a joke as I often do that I was gonna engage in some um you know drug taking and drinking because we'd had, we were having a conversation at, about drugs in the music industry, me and this journalist. And so then to follow up from that conversation that

we'd been having about basically how rife cocaine was in, um, the music industry at executive level. And so then at the end of the conversation that I was having with this guy who was like in his mid 20s maybe late 20s um early 30s from the enemy and um and then he said oh by the way how are you going to celebrate your number one single and I went probably loads of clothes and um and then the next day I think it was a you know a Sunday and so it was a front page of the then news of the world and it was like Lily Allen says she's going to celebrate her number one single with plates of cocaine. Now you might think, oh, that's doesn't seem that strange that that would be sensationalized in such a way. But take into account, my dad was, you know, an actor and hung out with some very famous showbiz people who were all male and all engaged

in these kind of activities and were pretty vocal about it. So, and I had watched them all talk quite freely and openly about the way that they, you know, spent their spare time. And so wrongly assumed that I would be able to speak about these things in the same way without it being sensationalized and weaponized and used against me in such a way. Boy, was I wrong. Oh, yes, you were. I remember I was on, I was traveling around the country for the T4 summer tour. And I read, I remember seeing that in the papers and thinking, Jesus Christ, this is a lot. It was huge.

It was like just those, just that language. Like, I think they genuinely did say plates of cocaine or something like that. And I was like, this is bad. No, I mean, I think I had, I think I'd said plates of cocaine, to be fair to them. It was a quote. Yes.

But it was just that it was sensational. And like, you know, it was like the front, the big headline on the news of the world. Like, and I'd only just gone to number one. I wasn't even, I'd only been around for a couple of months so it was kind of like it was very crazy but um yes I think that was when I realized okay okay there's a different set of rules for boys and and girls men and women um yeah I think mine would probably be the writer's room in Popwell when I was like 16 and I said something was not funny. And I didn't think that was a big thing to say because it wasn't funny.

It was like a pun. You know how much I hate a pun. And I think it involved the word smorgasbord. And I was like, this is bullshit. And they were like, what? You don't think this is funny? And I was like, no. And they were like, well, you have to think of something better then. I was like, okay. And I was like,

oh, right. I'm not allowed to think that you're not a genius. And this is dog shit and you know it. So I quite like continuing to, um, to test that theory. I don't think men like being told they're not geniuses. No, no. it's not fun but yeah thank you thank you michael thank you can we have another question for listen bitch the patriarchy hi it's liz from eastbourne we've gone patriarchy light with this question i would love to know of any famous men that you've come across in your time in in your careers, who were feminists. I'd love to hear about some strong, feminist, famous men that you have come across that you could tell us about. Thanks.

That's nice. Patriarchy light. Thanks, Liz. I'll not step on anyone's toes. Whilst talking about the patriarchy. It's a nightmare. Let's keep it light. Let's keep it peppy. Lil, what's your answer to that question? It's a logistical disaster.

I would say my husband. My husband is famous and he is a feminist. That's true. It's true. It's true. He's a good man. What would you say makes you call, why would you say that David is a feminist? What about him?

What about his actions and his moves makes you feel that way? I think maybe it's because he is very sensitive to, you know, my resistance to, you know, a marriage that adheres to sort of like gender norms or societal norms. You know, he can see how uncomfortable things make me and he's very good at helping me navigate and negotiate those things. So like, you know, I remember once when he, we went on a holiday and he paid for the whole holiday and that had never happened to me before. Like I'd always paid for everything

and it came out in other ways. Like we were arguing about something and he took me, he said, can I just have a word with you? And I was like, yeah, sure. And he took me off and he was just like, now look. I know this makes you very uncomfortable and that's okay it's okay i love you i love your children i love this it's an absolute pleasure for me to treat you guys to this experience you don't owe me anything you don't have to do anything

in return and i was like shit i married the right person she knows me and loves me what will I do no but he's just very good I don't think many people men well I don't I'm not going to speak for all men because I wasn't even articulating it or vocalizing it but he was able to see exactly what was winding me up that I didn't I didn't want to be whatever I digress i get it babe i love him too i love him too next question i don't think i have a famous one they're all unfamous they're the ones i can think of matty healy he's a big old feminist there you go there you go steve jones ste Steve Jones. I was going to say Steve Jones, but I've already talked about Steve Jones. So we'll just go with Matt Healy.

Next question. Such a big old feminist. Such an incredible feminist. Next question, please. For Listen Bitch. Hi, Lily. Hi, Makita. My name is Josh. I'm from New Jersey in the United States.

Question for you both about the patriarchy. I was wondering if you have any favorite art that is reflective of a woman's experience living in the patriarchy or something that shows how bad the patriarchy is or is a good portrayal of showing the patriarchy in a way that's productive. I guess just to plug as a fan really quick, I think a really good example of something that comes out of the patriarchy, Lily, is your song not fair? Because that's all about men focusing on their own pleasure and not the pleasure of a woman. So I'm just curious. Love you both. And if you take this question, thanks. And yeah, have a great day. Bye. Thanks, Josh. I love when Americans say my name. Makita is hot. Thanks, Josh.

Oh, that's nice. I agree with Josh about that. It's not fair. All about a woman's right to pleasure in sex. A woman's right to pleasure in sex. I can't hear you bloody feminist. I was trying such shit. I hadn't even had an orgasm at that point.

I know. I was just about to say at that time you were only at the beginning of your sexual pleasure journey awakening well quite so how did you step in those how did you get into that headspace you just thought of women and their needs all around the world uh no i guess maybe it was because i wrongly had assumed that my way to an orgasm was going to be a man giving it to me. And that hadn't happened yet. And so I was cross.

I was very cross. Yes. People don't know this about me, but I'm a big Taylor Swift fan. Sorry. There's a song of hers called The Man. I don't know if you know it. Do you know the song? No, I don't think so.

The chorus goes, I'm so sick of running as fast as I can, wondering if I'd get there quicker if I was a man. And I'm so sick of them coming at me again. Because if I was a man, then I'd be the man. I'd be the man. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I'd be the man. I'd be the man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be the man. Yeah. She just, everything sounds like a nursery rhyme from Taylor Swift. And not in a, that's not in a rude way. I'm not being derogatory. I think she's very clever.

They say I hustled, put in the work. They wouldn't shake their heads and question how much of this. Okay. Okay. Okay. We definitely don't have the rights for you to just keep singing the whole song well there we go taylor swift i love your song the man david and i debate it quite often because he it's not his favorite taylor swift song and it's one of my favorites i think

the lyrics are very clever and he does not she's very clever at writing very simplistic um sort of um nursery rhyme sounding songs, but actually she's saying something in the background, which is nice. She's undeniably smart. She is, exactly. The only artist to have ever made a billion dollars from music. She is not an idiot.

Newsflash. No. Can we have another question on Listen Bitch? For Listen Bitch? To Listen Bitch? Hello, Nikita and Lily. It's Dan here from London. About 18 months ago, my husband and I had a gorgeous daughter, Margot Lily, via surrogacy in America.

And we've got a little boy just about to be born in May. Now, we're always talking about, as two dads, what the best way to bring our daughter up is. And we always want to make sure she's just living the fullest, most brilliant, strongest, most incredible life. And I would love your advice on what tips you think we should give her as two dads to overcome the patriarchy. Do you know what? I just remembered something from a previous question,

a famous male in the world that is a brilliant, true feminist is Loyal Karner. He was doing, for people in America, he does well in America, but Loyal Karner's a rapper and a musician. He's more than a rapper. He's just an artist. He's brilliant. And he's a great man and a friend of mine and my mom's. And he was doing a six music residency and it was banging. And one episode was about, um, it was mother's day and the way he spoke about his partner, his girlfriend and his mother, I was kind of bowled over by just the love he has for women proper. It's true. And it's real. And it made me think that like, if you're, if you were to, I know you're raising a daughter, but if you were raising sons, it's like, it's real and it made me think that like if you're if you were to I know you're raising a daughter but if you were raising sons it's like how do you raise sons to truly love

women and I think as a woman you know you're raising a daughter as a woman that's what stands out to me when you know that a man has been raised to truly love women like that for me feels really good I don't know whether that answers the question that you asked but I just wanted to make that point because you're raising daughters as well Lil. I am raising daughters I guess uh um language I think is um important I think there are so many words that on the surface seem quite um inoffensive or that actually can be quite insidious when they're sort of used every day and words that would that you you hear being used in conjunction with women or girls that there isn't really like a male equivalent for right like what uh like uh bitchy or nag or um you know you don't hear people go like well he's he's a bit cold it's not really

a word associated with men for women maybe uh like uh intense or stroppy forward you just sound like the daily mail now shrill shrill is a good one shr Shrill. Isn't that interesting though, that word? Because it's literally like the sound of a woman's voice irking another human being. Just the sound of a woman's voice. So basically a woman existing and having space and a voice. Language is a big one. Good point, Lil.

Yes. And even when you're talking about the way women look, just words like, oh, you know, that's flattering. It's like, what? He's really let himself go. Never said to a man, ever. Babe, you look a bit frumpy in that, to be honest. I used to really like you in that shirt,

but it looks a little bit frumpy, if I'm totally honest. Maybe we should do an experiment and try and use some of this language again. I don't think I've ever spoken to a boy like this. Well, you know what? Actually, I was looking last night on the Daily Mail website just to see what some of the adjectives used for women versus men are.

Because there's always like, you know, the person's name and then an adjective, right? Yes. Nicola Peltz suffers unexpected backlash. Nicola Peltz, Brooklyn Beckham's wife. Henry Cavill reveals he is expecting his first child. That's nice. Johnny Depp embraces his co-star.

Salma Hayek puts on a busty display as she shows off her chest. Salma Hayek puts on a busty display as she shows off her chest. Justin Bieber makes surprise return. Nice. Nikki Hilton shows off. Keith the Sutherland reunites. Jerry Bruckheimer looks dapper. Oh, yes, of course, always.

Alessandra Ambrosio flashes her taut abs. Paris Hilton shows off. Timothee Chalamet is joined by... Nice. Harrison Ford recalls... And I think we'll end with that one. I think that says it all, really. Language is important. So last night I was doing a little bit of a deep dive around this language and communication

and I was reading the musings of Deborah Cameron, who was the Rupert Murdoch Professor of Language and Communication at the University of Oxford. Wow. That's right. The Rupert Murdoch Professor of Language and Communication. She specializes in sociolinguistics, especially the relationship between language and gender, language ideologies and linguistic normativity discourse analysis. That's the Rupert Murdoch Professor of Language and Communication at Oxford University.

I hope that answered your question. We really did go on, but there was a lot to cover within that. Thank you very much. And good luck raising your beautiful daughter in a slightly less patriarchal world, which we all hope for every day. Okay. Thank you.

And we will be back with more questions about the patriarchy after this little break. Just a little one. Just a little breakie. Go back to school with Rogers and get Canada's fastest and most reliable internet. Perfect for streaming lectures all day or binging TV shows all night. Save up to $20 per month on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you, Rogers.

We have a question now from Charlotte. Lovely Charlotte. Hello, Charlotte. What would you like to know? What would you like to share about the patriarchy? Hi, Makita and Lily. My name is Charlotte and I'm based in Kent so for context I started my own social media marketing business when I was on maternity leave with my nearly two-year-old daughter now and somehow the majority of my client base is made up of middle-aged men

and with that comes the odd misogynistic comment that you get. So my question for you is in your career so far, how do you handle these types of comments from superiors that you still want to work with because they pay you, but how can you have a funny comeback that doesn't make you lose your job? For example, one of my favourites is, what a weird thing to say out loud, but I'd love to hear what yours have been and ones that you've used in the past that's very good Charlotte a confusion works better than like sort of knee jerk reactive emotion I think in those kind of situations I really like that that's so cutting what a weird thing to say out loud oh yeah that's basically saying you're a dickhead without saying you're a dickhead nice lily lyricstread songwriting genius ivan novello winning lady uh you've got some bloody um

corkers in this field haven't you really i'm come drawing blanks right now to be honest I don't really have any male superiors oh I'm self-employed um uh I guess you know maybe the people at my old record company could have been described as being my superiors but yes and you were with them entangled with them for like 15 years I remember once actually when I wrote this song called hard out here it had like the word bitch in it about 176 times. And when it got sent to America to like the radio play people, we got an email back from them saying, you know, she's gonna have to take

some of the bitches out of this. And I was like, which one? And there's like bits of it where like, she refers to herself, I refer to myself as a bitch. It's like some boys be talking about their bitches and be making a fuss. Anyway, he'd like written this thing and he was like,

I think, you know, men don't really want to hear women refer to themselves as a bitch. I was like, thank you. Thank you for that. Graham from radio promotion in like Idaho. Like, why don't you go fuck yourself? There you go, Charlotte. Just a classic.

Why don't you go fuck yourself? Just keep it classic. Keep it classic. The bitches stay. The bitches stayed. Can I just say, Dino, our producer, who is a man, is in our ears and I'm scared of him right now. I don't know. It's because we're talking about the patriarchy. I'm like, why don't

you sound happy and pleased with us like you usually do? No, no, no. Dino's a feminist. It's fine. Dino's taking all this in and agreeing and nodding, aren't you, D? Yes. There you go. That's the fucking way it should be we're gonna have another question from laura i feel like laura might be in the netherlands hi makita and lily my name's laura from northwest london originally but now living in brackley i read this theory about the patriarchy and it basically said that because women can create life inside of our bodies like we literally can grow babies, there's a power in that, being able to create life,

and that actually men are resentful of this because they don't have that power to do that. And that's why since the beginning of time, they've basically been trying to take power away from women, you know, since forever, especially sexual or reproductive freedoms. So just wondered if you thought if there was any truth to that.

Thanks, bye. Absolutely. Sorry, I got that so wrong. You're actually from Northwest London. My R ends a bit. So thank you. And you're actually called Laura. Thank you, Laura.

I totally agree. I think it's almost, it's also a bit like racism towards black people. I feel like for millennia, the fear was about the power and magic of black people. And if there's nothing to be scared of, you don't try and suppress something or dehumanize something if it doesn't scare you. And I think that women do scare men with how powerful we are and always have. I remember I was doing this, do you remember that?

There was that brilliant TV show, The Underground Railroad. It was absolutely brilliant. So I did a podcast to accompany it and it was all about rebellions throughout enslavement that we aren't told about. And there was this incredible story about a Dahomey tribe.

This is men underestimating women and they capture this whole gang of women. But in their head, it's just a load of chicks. But actually, they're an army. And because they're women and they want to sort of rape and torture and sodomize them, they don't put them on the lower deck. They put them on the higher deck and they don't tie them up. And the women overthrow the boat and turn it around and take it back to Africa.

And that is what happens when you underestimate a woman. So I think that the power of women is, is underestimated often, but it's known and feared, which is why we're suppressed by men so often. That's what I think. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I mean, I think that, you know, ultimately it's rooted in greed as well. I mean, as far as I know, I think that like the patriarchy in its, you know, came from, you know, the transition between hunter and gatherer times to like when land and agriculture became like tools of bargaining and trade and so women kind of got lumbered in with that as a as a commodity and that was the sort of beginning of like the subjugation of women in that sense so I think that yes there's a fear of it but it's also like oh that we can use them we can we can profit off of them I do I think it's interesting as well as that we know we're the period of time that we are fertile for that we can make babies is relatively short um and i feel like in my own life anyway it'd be great to like

be able to get that stuff over the way do out of the way do the feeding and then get to work like actual work in the in the in the world like that's when i became like smart and understood things better anyway. Like before I had kids, I was relatively a fucking idiot. Excuse me, I haven't had kids. So do you think? No, I don't.

I'm talking about my own experience. But I think that like, if it was the societal norm for you to like get them out when you're young and chuck them, you know, and then the dad raised them, they're like much better made for raising kids anyway they can lift them up they can play the games they're more on their emotional

level like you know they should they're the ones that should be raising the kids while we go and do the proper stuff that'd be great yeah you know we'll just pop them out and then like we're done for when we're done for like you know fine fine fair find another one that you need to knock up the duffel but look after the kids while i'm out there burning the money doing this stuff this is taking a strange turn but i am with you oh sorry yeah exactly cut lily alarm for lily stop uh i hope that answered your question I feel like we did yeah bit round the ounces but we definitely got somewhere in the end

next question please for Lissan Bitch hey Lillian Makita my name's Maisie I'm from South London and I've really really been enjoying your podcast so nice to hear you guys chatting my question for you guys is how do you feel that the effect the patriarchy

has and has had on the creative industries has changed since you guys first started out and from when someone might be starting out now? I think it's gotten easier. I think it's gotten worse, the effects. Yeah, that's basically my question. I really wish I could say it's changed so much in 25 years, but I don't know how much it has in my industry anyway in telly how about in music

how about in acting no I think it's worse worse yeah but I think that's rooted in social media and rather than anything else I just think that social media really plays into those like um gender stereotypes and um everything's so data-led and so data driven. So right in terms of music, what you need ultimately is like investment, right? To be able to plug things, to get things, you know, give things prominence on the internet or on the TV, or even just like going out and about and showcasing your music, like you need money to be able to do it. And the way that the people that have the money decide on where those funds are spent is by looking at the data online. And as a woman, the way that you increase those numbers is by taking your clothes off or by wearing lots of makeup. And so I think it's got

harder. I think it's got harder for people that aren't considered, you know, beautiful or extraordinary looking to break through in creative industries. Yes. Like when I first got my job, it was like the people around me and the people who preceded me, like Zoe Ball and Sarah Cox and Kat Deely. Oh, I bloody, I loved Kat Deely. All very attractive, but it wasn't really about that. I thought they were funny and smart. And I think now, I think being a TV presenter is kind of lost in being an influencer,

which is lost in just being an attractive person. And it's not really a job to just be an attractive person. True. But then at the same time like do you really think bbc would have given us this podcast if we weren't as hot as we are we weren't so bloody gorgeous good point um i don't know it's it's audio babe i know we're filming it, but it is audio. So I don't know how hot we have to be for this.

I will also say, though, in the beginning of my career, like, I didn't have hair and makeup people. When I look at, like, my performances of me at Glastonbury, the idea that, like, Dua Lipa will, like, pop up on stage without full hair and makeup and styling. And at that point in my career, I was literally, like, doing it all myself totally I had to ask for makeup after about a year of doing pot world Kevin my wonderful makeup artist came in with S Club Juniors and he did I went in I said could you do a bit of makeup for me because I don't know

what I'm doing I don't even know how to put makeup on I was wearing white eyeshadow and he did it and I begged him I said can he stay can he like be employed they were like oh god all right it's like no it's actually a tv show there are cameras and lights and stuff like I think we need a makeup artist but we were kind of free in that way I think again because it wasn't about being really beautiful and groomed and glamorous our jobs it wasn't it was about me being good at what I was doing and you being good at what you were doing and it takes more work by the way that the older that you get to just to be able to conform to those societal expectations of how we should look.

And I'm like, when obviously I started selling less records for the record company, they were like, ooh, that's quite a lot of money for hair and makeup. I'm like, I'm about to be 35. I'm getting into a really tricky area. Yeah. Could you have done this to be at 26 no I know they didn't I did it myself when I didn't need it

now I do need it and they're like sorry but we're giving all that money to these other children what's the next question please no it's the last question my darling it's the last question my darling this is the last can we have a lot our last last question hello it's b from london my question for you both

um on the theme of patriarchy is about catcalling because i find that catcalling is one of those like low-key annoying but like fairly frequent occurrences that happen in patriarchy and I wondered whether you two have had a situation happen where someone has yelled something at you in the street and you have managed to get your wits about you and come up with an amazing comeback in the moment and if you haven't then I also wanted to know what is the ultimate comeback for a shitty man yelling at you in the streets love you thank you bye thank you darling I wish I had an answer I wish I could say yeah one time I said this but no I I one thing that is particularly creepy is that I have never been cackled more than when I used to go to school and be in my school uniform.

And I used to think that was truly fucked up because the school uniform literally says I am under 16. And that's when I got catcalled enough. And I didn't ever come back. I felt quite intimidated and freaked out. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Although on my 30, talking about getting a bit older, on like my 35th birthday, I was in shortage on this van with all these guys. They're like,

McKee, oh yeah, you're looking fit. And I was like, still got it. Still got it. So sometimes it's quite nice to be catcalled. It depends the energy of the catcall. The energy of the catcall. Yeah. I definitely noticed it's not happening quite as much as it used to when I was younger. It's okay, babe. It's okay, babe. I will. Last week, actually, I was on the subway in New York City and I walked down the platform and this guy kind of like locked the eyes of me and I was like, is he going to like

mug me or something? And then I got close and just went, so beautiful. Stop. Stop. I was like, okay, fine. Do you know when you're being hit on? I really have no idea anymore, especially now I've got this fucking puppy because the puppy is so cute that everyone wants to look at us and talk to us. I'm like, look at this. I'm like, oh, it's the puppy. So I never really know when someone is like hitting on me. I don't think i've ever been hit on to be honest

no but you do get cackled no i didn't get cackled that was someone literally just locking eyes with me didn't they used to call it white van man something yeah and also like scaffolders you know when you're like when i like driving past like a bunch of scaffolders and they're like wiggling yeah but i quite is this all what I quite like? Yeah, don't say that. Don't admit it. Don't admit it. It's only because I fancy filters. Well, the question is, have you ever had a good comeback?

And the answer is no. No. No. I don't know why we're pussyfooting around this. No. No. Oh, from Texas to New Yorkork city that was listen bitch live and direct from america isn't that weird that we're both in america was that a terrible one no i really enjoyed the patriarchy

but i am gonna i am gonna um lighten the mood i suppose is the word that's three words yes but lighten we're gonna lighten the We're going to lighten the air. We're going to nice up the area, as my mum would say. Nice up the dance. We're going to nice up the dance. Exactly. Let's nice up the dance. Next week's theme is...

Boobs. Oh, my God. You can call them breasts. You can call them tits. You can call them boobs. But call them tits You can call them boobs But today I'm calling them boobs The theme for next week's Listen Bitch is boobs I think it's really important

My boobs are not what they used to be Remember how good they were Uh yeah Come on 27 I had the best boobs out here And um I would like to talk about In general Uh what's the word? Anyway, they're

not great anymore. No, they're great, but they're not like what they used to be. And also I've had two friends go through breast cancer recently. So I've been thinking about boobs in a very different way. And I think you do as you get older. So boobs it is, bitch. Boobs it is. No reaction from you at all. Nothing to say. I mean, great, great. For the audio listeners, Lily is mimicking squeezing breasts now.

So that's where we're at. Great, great. Great, great. Honk, honk. We'll see you next week. We'll see you next week. Oh, 8,030 40 90 that's right that's right you better believe it send us a little voice note yes send us a little voice note don't forget to leave your name and your geographical location yeah and take josh's lead and really like i don't

know what your street looks like at this point and if you live in a terraced house or social housing if you have a view these things I really am interested in we will see you next week I love you I'll see you later bye Keats love you hope there aren't any offended men out there thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds. I'm Natalie Cassidy. And I'm Joanna Page. Join us for our podcast Off The Telly, where we chat about what we can't stop watching.

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