Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! The Safety Dance

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about safety.Next week, we want to hear your questions about DRIVING. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language, adult themes and discussions about sexual assault. If you have been affected by any of the issues raised, you can find support via the BBC Action Line: https://bbc.co.uk/actionline/ Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. Welcome to Origins with me, Kush Jumbo, the show with the biggest names in entertainment tell me the stories that made them who they are today. Origins is a conversation about my guests' early inspirations and growing up. Guests this season include Dame Anna Wintour, Poppy Delevingne, Pete Capaldi, and Golda Ra'Shaval, aka Queen Charlotte in Bridgerton. I only kind of discovered my sexuality

when I went to drama school. Join me every week to hear where it all began. From Sony Music Entertainment, this is Origins with Kus Jumbo. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language and adult themes and discussions about sexual assault, which some listeners may find upsetting. Welcome to Listen Bitch. This is the space for breathing, for connecting and for chatting. Yes, it's a safe space. Yeah, it is actually.

It is a safe space, which is obviously a wonderful place to talk about safety. Because I feel like if you're in an unsafe space, it's not that easy to talk about your fears. But here is safe. So the theme of this week for Listen Bitch is safety. the theme of this week for Listen Bitch is safety. Safety, cosy, cosy, safety. Oh, I love feeling safe.

I feel safe in your arms, Lily. Really? I'm not a big hugger, so that's interesting to hear. I know, and we've discussed this, but it's why the hugs are so good. It's why they're are so good. Okay. It's why they're so good, you teasing, huggy bitch. So-

I'll hug you next time I see you. Yeah, you bloody will. And what's your safe space? Oh, for fuck's sake. The womb? Is that the last time you felt safe? In bed, watching telly. And your bedroom is a bit like a womb.

Without my phones in the same room. We'd also like to add that we got over 100 questions about safety this week, so well done you, Lily. And well done the Listen Bitch audience and the Miss Me audience just in general. Your questions are so good, they're so like of a level. A hate-a-shit question doesn't mean anything and they never sound like that, do they, though?

They never do. Thank you. Yeah, keep them coming. We do listen to all of them and we wish that we could answer all of them, but then it would be a six and a half hour podcast, so. No one wants that. We'll wait for the live shows.

Then we'll do a hundred questions for this one, bitch. Told them about the live shows, Keats. And planting seeds, fool. Don't call me fool, hoe. Is that the line? I don't know, I just made it up. I don't think Mr T says hoe, no. Don't call me fool, hoe.

You told me. Yo, Listen Bitch. The side show of Listen Bitch will be called Don't Call Me Fool, oh. No it's still Listen Bitch. Let's get our first question. Hi Lily, hi Makita, my name is Danny, I am from Western Australia, I absolutely love the podcast.

On the topic of safety, I was just wondering from the both of you, considering that you're both in the public eye and things like that, I was wondering what the both of you, considering that you're both in the public eye and things like that, I was wondering what kind of practices and things you both put in place in order to keep a safe mindset and to cancel out all the bullshit and like, yeah, keep your brain safe

and keep everything around you in order. Absolutely love the both of you. Stay gorgeous. Mwah. Thank you. I'm wearing a silver chair T-shirt today and you're from Western Australia. I know they're from Australia.

I don't know whether they're from Western Australia, but I hope you feel it. I just wanted you to know that in particular. What things do we put in practice to keep ourselves feeling safe in terms of our jobs and who we are in the world? Not enough is the answer for me. I think that I'm learning that my ego is such a big part of it and I think that I get like

a little dopamine rush from people telling me that I look good or that they like my old music and that they listen to the podcast and you know but then I also have to be subjected to seeing like you know way more horrible stuff. I don't I think it is way more horrible stuff than it is positive stuff. I think people were more likely to communicate negativity than they are positivity which which is sad, but it's just the way that the world is. And also I am a control freak, so I, you know, I know that there are these things that are being said about me and a part of me just needs to know what they are and I think I have to let go of that. I think I have to not search my name, I have to not look at the Daily Mail articles

when they write them. It doesn't service me in any way, actually. No, I can't believe you're searching your name. No, don't do that. It's very intrinsically linked to my own self-hatred. So if I'm feeling low, I will do it because it proves to me what a piece of shit I am. So, sorry, I'm gonna cry.

So yeah, I go and I'm looking for it because then I know that it's true. I know the way that I'm feeling it's real. What is like evidence of the terrible thoughts in your head? Yeah. That's why this shit is so dangerous, I think. And there's a lot of it. There's a lot of it out there.

Volume is really high. So yeah, I have to just try and cut myself off from it, I think. To keep myself safe. Yeah, to keep yourself safe, exactly. I think it's quite important as well to sort of discuss this sometimes because I don't think, I think there are people that I've seen have vitriol against them as a famous person. I've never really thought about

how it would affect them as a human being. And I have a very famous friend, you. I've been well known most of my adult life. And I still forget that people are human beings when There are things being thrown at them. I think a lot of people do I think it's very easy to or maybe convenient to So well done for just talking about being a human being for a minute little and if things affect you. Thanks, man I thought it might come up on safety. What was the question? Do you do enough? I play tennis. There you go.

I play a lot of tennis. And now that the weather is changing, I'll be playing a lot of squash. Don't know whether I've mentioned this. Really? You're doing squash? Squash. Wow.

It's so good, Lilly. Do you know how much I just wanna get a racket in your hand? You would just, I don't think you understand what it would do for you. The great thing about squash is the ball has to be hot to move. I just want to get a racket in your hand. You would just, I don't think you understand what it would do for you. The great thing about squash is, the ball has to be hot to move, so you have to hit it with a lot of power

and a lot of energy. So all your rage or your anger or your sadness, that goes in that ball. I'm just gonna, you know what, I'm just gonna drag you into a squash court when you come to London. I'm not gonna, I'll tell you we're going to a spa and I'm just gonna put a squash racket in your hand. I bet you'd be bloody brilliant. I bet you I wouldn't but...

It will take all those kind of thoughts away. Okay. There we go then, let's have another question please. Hi Lillian Makita, this is Amy from Chichester. Big fan of the podcast, don't actually know how I got my housework or other boring jobs done in the week without you guys to listen to as my background entertainment. So keep it up. On the topic of safety, I wanted to ask if you guys remembered any situations where you'd accidentally or on purpose

put yourself in an unsafe position. For example, I remember when I was about 18, I was in that phase where I never wanted the night out to end and one particular night I left the club, followed some guys back to a house and it ended up being me and basically 10 men in the house, all older than me. Nothing happened, they were all very kind.

There was a lot of kind of drugs passed around and smoking spliffs, but they even said to me when they put me in a taxi, you need to be more careful. We might not have been nice guys. So I always remember that as a, oh my God, that could have so gone the other way and changed the course of my life. Yeah, so I just wondered if you guys ever remembered

a scenario where you felt really unsafe and I apologize if this is a triggering question. Okay, bye. No apology necessary. It is deeply triggering. The way you put it, Amy, when you said, I think we all have those nights where that so could have gone the other way

and I have a lot of those. Actually, one of them I was Rescued by your mom really auntie. Allison. Yeah What was I thinking? This is my only job in hospitality When I was 14 about a year before I got pop wild I worked in a very swish 14, about a year before I got Pop Wild, I worked in a very swish restaurant called 192 on Kensington Park Road, somewhere that me and Lily spent a lot of time

as children growing up. And I was fucking awful, god awful. And at the time I was going to a lot of squat parties. So it just didn't really work with my schedule of like raving, having to go to this bloody place and make coffee. And one time I was at a squat party in like Isle of Sheppey or maybe like Wales somewhere like that and I hitchhiked with my friend Nina at the time and we were so tight and the reason

I had to go leave this party is because I had to go do a shift at 192 and I was just like oh my god there is no way I'm gonna make it back. And I was like, oh, we could hitchhike. Like, thought about hitchhiking as a scary thing in the films that I'd seen, but just didn't care. Got in a car with a guy, me and Nina, and then we fell asleep, and we woke up in the middle of a field, and he was waking us up,

and he was like, guys, guys, you've fallen asleep, you've fallen asleep. And then he was like, I'm going further, you need to get out. We were a bit fucked because we were in the middle of the field, but we could have been waking up to something very sinister and very real and very scary. And just even the feeling of knowing how far something

could have gone or how much something could have changed, it terrified me to my bones. We ran to the side of the road to the motorway, started hitchhiking again, and your mum came down the motorway with Sarah and some other people and rescued us. Obviously I was in a lot of trouble, but she did rescue us.

Aw. Wasn't that nice? My mama. I don't know whether people hitchhike anymore, but it is insanity to get in a car with anyone you don't know. I mean, I sometimes even think about it with Uber. I'm like, who are you?

You could take me anywhere. Yeah, I've definitely been in a few situations. There was one when I was going out with Seb, who doesn't do drugs or engage in any of that kind of thing. So he couldn't tell when I was, out with Seb who doesn't do drugs or you know engage in any of that kind of thing So he couldn't tell when I was if that makes sense And obviously I was hiding my habit from him and I remember being at his flat and saying that you know like two o'clock in the morning like I'm going to the shop to get some cigarettes and I must have been going to get booze or something, but I remember having my hair tied up in a pair of pants.

And then, and a pair of his trainers. So like huge shoes and a pair of pants. So like crackhead energy. Walking back from the off-license and there were like some guys that were in the off-license with me. And on the way back, you know, I was like holding a can or something and they were like, we're going in here to like have an after party

Why don't you come with us? And I was like, yeah, that seems like a good idea So like went into their flat and what I did with them while Seb was asleep on the same road Like yeah, I'm just fucking crazy. Oh my god Actually just remind me of something Yeah I remember because Tyson cousin Tyson was living at my flat when I lived in a flat in Shoreditch, and I would just go out and then just bring people back. Just strangers.

And there was a time where she came back, and I was so whatever, and she was like, Makita, there are eight big blokes in the sitting room. I've never seen any of them. I don't know who any of them are. And I didn't know who any of them are. And they'd been in my house for like a day. Oh my God.

And then they stole my camera. So they were. Surprising. What about our little trip to Devon and Cheyenne's? That was probably a bit unsafe. A jump. A jump. A jump. Shoo-chee. Shoo-chee. Okay, shoo-choo. So Devon and Cheyenne's, that was probably a bit unsafe. I drop it. Shoogee.

Shoogee. Okay, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo. Some things are just for your memoir, okay? Okay. I didn't write that in my memoir, which you'd know if you'd read it. Oh yeah, sorry, you actually do have a memoir and I have read it. I just meant when we write them, but you've already done that. I'll save the Devon and Cheyenne years for my memoir.

Okay, please do. I can't wait to read it. Because I can't really remember what happened. I do, I do. Next question. Hello Lily and Makita, it's Lauren from Essex. Absolutely loving the podcast. It's very much my safe space and safe haven to listen to and relax. Which brings us into this week's Listen Bitch Safety. When I think of safety, I think of a safe space and mine is very much my home. But my question to you is what or who

is your kind of safe space? Could be a person, could be a place, could be a country, could be a song. But yeah, it would be good to know what environment you put yourself in to make you feel safe. Thank you, bye. Did you say it could be a song? Stevie Wonder very much makes me feel safe faced up. I do listen to him when I'm scared. I'm not even joking.

I use him to kind of feel comforted and looked after. He has that way. But because I can't like hang out with him all the time in person, we well not that close, I'd say my cousin Neymar is my safe space. I've really realized that in the last few years and I think it's because she was there on the day I was born. So I feel like there's, I mean, me and Nate,

it's weird to think me and Neymar knew each other for like a year before you even existed in the world. So it just feels like there was this time where Neymar was everything. Quite often if I'm feeling not grounded, it means I need to go to Neymar's house. She has this big beautiful garden in Hackney and because she's Swedish, she's very kind of outdoorsy

and it's got herbs and flowers and it's massive and it's just, you know what, her garden is my safe space. It's's like the best bar in Hackney it's the only place you can get a table in Hackney actually, Neymar's garden. I think I've always felt a little bit jealous and excluded from your relationship with Neymar. Oh Lily. I know and that's probably why because there's this like time that me and Neymar had because there's so fucking many of us and then suddenly there were loads of us and it's just this one bit that was just me and Neymar.

It's a different bond that I have with her than I have with you though. You and I also have something very unique in particular. It's the best thing about it, right? Yeah. No, I'm jealous of your relationship with Neymar. I've always thought she was really cool, and I've always wanted to be friends with her,

and I just don't, we haven't really. Oh my God, no, I knew that. Neymar loves you. He's known you her whole life, your whole life, and she is, I'm sure you see her as family. Yeah. What is your person then? Who is your person?

The two men that I've settled on for safety are David Attenborough and Aaron, my stepdad. I knew it. Wow. What a combination. Nothing's happening to you with those guys around. They will keep me safe. So David Attenborough is more like

the voice that keeps you safe. Yeah, I'm just like he cares about the world and shit. He's not sitting on Instagram or reading the Daily Mail. He's out there watching bears. He's just not a dickhead. He's not a dickhead is he? He's a good, good man. How about Garfield? My dad, my stepdad, does he make you feel safe? Well, Garfield would make me feel safe if he didn't serve up pink chicken at a picnic, you know? He didn't think he was going to poison you. Uncle Salmonella. Oh my god, I'm so sorry Garfield. Garfield said he had people coming up to him in the gym to be like,

I heard about your shit chicken. He was like, what? Sorry Gar girl. Yeah, let's talk about men being unsafe a bit more. I'm sure it will come up. Let's have another question. And even if it doesn't come up, we'll just fucking talk about it. Let's have another question.

Hi, Lillian Makita. My name is Daniela and I live in lovely Lincolnshire. I work for Women's Aid, the national charity working to end domestic abuse for women and children in the UK. So I'm right at the heart of the women's sector. Hopeful that one day violence against women and girls will be recognised as the epidemic that it is. My very simple question for you both is how safe do you feel as a woman in this disgustingly patriarchal world? If your answer is not very,

then what would you consider to be the number one reason for you feeling this way? Thank you both, I love the podcast, keep doing what you're doing. Thank you, that was like a school assignment. I don't feel very safe in this world around men at all. And it's their fault. I blame them.

Obviously. I do them. Obviously. I do. Because we can't do anything about it because they've got all the money and the power. So. If I hear one more terrible story about something awful that's happened to a woman I love by a man,

I don't really know where else to put it. The sort of anger towards it. And I think when I'm angry, it's because I hate being made to feel scared and when you are in a situation where someone that you trusted defies you, betrays you, anything treats you like shit which we've all been through I think you get angry because you're like no see now I'm unsafe and now I feel vulnerable and you're meant to be the safe space and you no longer are and maybe you never were and

It's still no matter what all left with you. It leaves me with a lot of rage, which I've been trying to let go of Because it's not my fucking shit to hold It's important to try and give that stuff back to the patriarchal society around us because it's not actually our problem Like Maya Angelou says about racism, racism is actually like a mental illness to believe that the color of someone's skin determines all these terrible things about them and that they should be killed and murdered because of it. And the same with men believing that women have no power,

deserve to be treated despicably. It's not our shit, it's theirs. So if we could all give them back their bags, I think we'd all feel a lot lighter. Yep, agreed. Hey up. You don't feel safe in this world and the main reason would be men

in different roles and guises. Yeah. Let's have a little break from Listen Bitch. I mean, Listen Bitch is great, we all love it, but sometimes you just need a little break. Welcome to Origins with me, Kush Jumbo, the show where the biggest names in entertainment tell me the stories that made them who they are today. Origins is a conversation about my guests' early inspirations and growing up. Guests this season include Dame Anna Winter, Poppy Delevingne,

Pete Capaldi and Golda Raesheval aka Queen Charlotte in Bridgerton. I only kind of discovered my sexuality when I went to drama school. Join me every week to hear where it all began. From Sony Music Entertainment, this is Origins with Kuss Jumbo. Welcome back to Listen Bitch, the theme is safety. Safety, yeah? How safely feeling? Hi, Lily. Hi, Makita. This is Maggie from Scotland. I am interested in your thoughts on safety at work. I recently left a job because I found out that my manager had been kind of plotting behind my back and the trust was gone and therefore I no longer felt safe at

work. And I wondered if either of you had ever experienced anything like that. Thanks, bye. Plotting against you behind your back. Sounds quite Machiavellian and awful. I'm sorry you went through that. Safe at work. I mean, I thought I was gonna be fired every day

for about six years, my God. Maybe four years. But that was sort of my own doing. I sort of got into a place where I thought I had to feel unsafe at work. That it wasn't a place of safety. Now I feel very differently about my work. It's very much my safe space.

But when I was younger, I always felt unsafe. I always felt like I was gonna lose it all. I always felt like it was all gonna disappear and go away. And then it did. Lily Allen, I don't feel like you've been very protected in your career by the people around you very often, at all even. No, I was sexually assaulted by someone that I worked with

and the incident happened abroad. And by the time that I wanted to sort of deal with it I left that country. But I wanted people that you know were sort of mutuals that knew him and knew me and worked with both of us to know that this thing had happened and so sort of made it known in some ways and nobody put anything in place to protect me or what had happened to me. In fact it felt like quite the opposite was done in that things were put in place to protect him and that made me feel very unsafe and also just that like my sort of frame of reality was just very distorted and I felt pretty invisible to be honest it was it was really horrible

yeah I remember I did have one incident with him and I can't remember whether it was before or after if it was before then it should have been a warning sign to me but I remember being at my house and it was the second time I'd ever met the rapper Giggs and this person you know, clearly quite sort of like impressed by Giggs and his presence. Of course he fucking was. And he was sort of showing off. It was just the three of us in my flat.

And he made some joke about like my latest CD being in like the bargain bin at a petrol station or something. And he was sort of like, let's laugh at Lily to Giggs. And Giggs had only met me once before and he was just like, what the fuck? Who are you talking to, bro? Like, this girl's done so much in the world more than you or I will ever do.

Like, have some fucking respect. And I was just like, whoa! Thanks, Giggs! Thanks, Giggs! I was like, we all need a gig. That's right. Fuck you. I was like, Collie, we all need a gig. That's right. Fuck you. Nothing bastard.

Okay, so good man, bad man. Oh, I love Giggs for having your back like that. I fucking knew he was a good person. Yeah, it was a special moment for me. It really did give me a lot of confidence. I was like, yeah, I am. I have done important things in the world. Of course you have. And I'm so, yeah, I am. I have done important things in the world. Of course you have.

And I'm so, again, like, thanks for talking about it because it's important that you do. Still working in the music industry, isn't he? So it's important that you do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, still working in the music industry. How safe is that meant to make any of us feel?

Next question, please. Hello, Lilian Mekita. This is Bertha calling from Barcelona and I'm the mum of two small children three and six and like all parents I always worry about their safety and I want to make them aware of all the dangers out there but at the same time I don't want to make them fearful and you know scared of their environment. So what is a good middle ground? How much is too much information?

And that's my question, thank you. Thank you, I wonder this as well sometimes. I mean I think that like we are like saturated or like oversaturated with information in this world and I think it's at the root of a lot of our problems. There's not enough space to sort of like just live your life because you're so concerned about these imminent threats all the time and I think that you know we all love and care about our children and want to protect them but I really believe that

they've got to go out there and things have got to happen to them in order for them to learn from them you know not their mistakes but just like what what's out there in the world. Face all the monsters. Yeah and I think you know if you've got to like break an arm and fall out of a tree like to learn your lesson that you shouldn't be like climbing big things without a safety, then that's what has to happen, you know? But I'm not, certainly not one of those people that's calling them every 10 minutes and I want to know where they are at all times. I feel like there needs to be a bit of risk

in their childhoods for them to be well-rounded people when they come out the other side. Yeah, good on you. My mum won't even let me move to South London. I'm like, for fuck's sake. I'm with her. It's only over the river. I can do this.

She's like, oh no, no, no, we can't do that. So yes, let your children run free and fly. Because we all do the greatest things when we push ourselves. Everything that we're looking for usually is on the other side of everything that we're terrified of. So it's like, feel the fear and do it anyway

when it comes to letting your kids go out there. I mean, I'm not a mother, but I think it makes sense. All right, can we have the last question please for this week's Listen Bitch? Hi, Makita and Lily. It's Claire here from Birmingham. I have a question about playing Get Safe. I once went on holiday to Iron Upper and I took a guy I met back to my hotel room and when we were there we started getting

it on and then he told me that he didn't have any condoms. So I was not that keen on having sex with him without one because you know I met him in Iron Upper and so I said sorry this isn't gonna go any further and then before he left I turned away because I didn't want to look at him because he was leaving in a huff and he decided to steal all my duty-free fags. So I lost all of my Marlboro lights. However, my fags weren't safe, but my vagina was. So my question is, have you ever played it safe and sacrificed your pleasure for your safety,

and then a guy's got really pissed off about it? Thanks. Stole all your Marlboro lights, you know. Okay. Is this a 90s story? It feels a bit early 90s. It feels like my 90s, yeah. Do it in nostalgia. Have I ever played it safe? Not though. What do you mean? Do you mean? She means like asking someone to put a condom on. What? And then like they say say no, and you go. I don't have one or I'm allergic to condoms or like,

you know, when you go, oh, okay then. You get out of here right now. You're like, but I'm desperate for some validation, please. Doesn't matter, give me all your diseases. No, never been us. Never done that. No, and actually contraception is something I wanna make a listen bitch theme as well. Because it's obviously, it's really important.

But because of the lack of it, which we've talked about, lack of education, lack of chatting about it with my mom and whatever, I have been really, yeah, not safe in the past. I remember Simon Amstel said, you can't have unprotected sex, Makita. It's like going to bed with a loaded gun. And that used to always really stay in the past. I remember Simon Amstel said, you can't have unprotected sex, Makita. It's like going to bed with a loaded gun. And that used to always really stay in my head,

like, that is quite serious. But I didn't take it seriously in my 20s. But it's something that I take very seriously now. And try and just pretend all that didn't happen. I had sex with someone when I was really young. You know him. Do you remember like that when I was really young, you know him, do you remember like that little? Oh my God, Eek.

Yeah. Cause you were young and he was in his thirties. Yeah, he was older and he, we had unprotected sex and then afterwards he told me he had herpes. Oh my God, I can't believe you're telling this story on my screen, I love you. And I was like, what?

What? Couldn't believe it. And I honestly think for about five years afterwards, I was convinced that I had herpes. I didn't, but like every time I had like an ingrown hair or something, like I would just have this huge panic. Yeah, I don't know whether that's about so much at the moment, but that was quite around when we were young, herpes. That was quite a sort of dangerous thing.

And I knew a few people who had got it from having unprotected sex with someone who didn't tell them. How could you do that? This is the fucked up thing though. Like afterwards, he obviously didn't care about me. Otherwise he would have had protected sex with me and told me this before he'd had sex with me

But I still Wanted him to like call me back. Oh my god This is like a dance like okay fine, but do you still fancy me you still fancy me right we're doing this again sometime What a thing to do as a grown man in your 30s to even make the decision to have sex with someone younger. Cool, but then to do that, Herbie's is something that could be for life.

Yeah. Fucking asshole. God, we ran with such a dickhead crowd. Cool crew. Cool crew, man. To be fair, he was not our crew. He was crew adjacent. And then after this incident incident he was even further

All of mine were to be honest Yeah, you did quite like crew adjacent always on the peripheral Peripheral bank Okay, I am spent Spent and I don't feel any safe Oh, I could have been more spent. And I don't feel any safer. No, I do a bit. I do a bit and I hope just opening up a conversation

about safety, because again, I don't even think it's something we talk about, how unsafe we feel and for what reasons and where and why and how and when. So I hope it just made everyone feel a bit safer to just even talk about it. It's my turn. Okay, I feel like I need to pep things up. It's been a bit more, what's the word? It's a bit moody, melancholy. Melancholic. So let's pep it up. Let's get

it a bit more funky out here. You know, it's just nice and clean and easy and it's something that I'm going through at the moment and everyone either learns to do this or anyway the next week's theme is driving. Let's just talk about road trips. I can't. Road rage. Yeah. Yeah, yeah that'd be good. Bit road rage.

Also we're going to talk about what good driver I am, all my cars that I've had. I would love to, you are a good driver. You really are. Now that I'm learning to drive and about to pass my test and I will be on the roads by the end of the year, I'm like, how did she do this when we were so young? But of course you're more fearless, blah, blah, because I'm a bad man from early.

Right. With this theme with driving, this is tied into cars as well. This is a cars and driving theme, but we're saying driving, but if you've got a story about a car or like time in a car sex in a car I'd like to talk about sex in a car I've never done that so anything like that can come under driving all right please send your voice notes to 08000 304090 that's 08000 304090

no lies all truth miss me miss me we will see you next week for listen bitch and miss me thank you Lil Z I'll see you next week for Listen Bitch and Miss Me. Thank you, Lil Z. I'll call you in a little minute. Okay, speak to you later. All right, bye. Bye. Bye.

Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneca production for BBC Sounds. If you've been affected by anything raised in this episode, go to bbc.co.uk forward slash action line. They were the toy of the late nineties. This Christmas it's Furby. Furry, lovable and oh so cute.

But what if those Furbies had a secret? You want to play again? Rumours swirled that these creatures were a cover for something much, much darker. So they got banned. In the new series of Joanne McNally Investigates, I'm going to ask, were these little guys spies? Just crazy stuff would start happening.

We'll get to the bottom of this scandal, an attempt to track down the brains behind the toy, which caused so much suspicion. A fugitive, a Furby fugitive. I have no comment. Joanne McNally investigates. Did Furby spy on us? Yes!

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