Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! The Sex Special
Episode Date: September 1, 2025Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver recap their best conversations about sex. Plus some exclusive content from the Live Shows in March!Next week, Lily will be joined by Jordan Stephens and we want to hear y...our questions about JUSTICE. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: 08000 30 40 90. Or, if you like, send us an email: missme@bbc.co.uk.This episode contains very strong language, adult themes and strong sexual references. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds
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Hello, welcome to listen, bitch, the sex special.
As you may know by now, Makita and I are taking a little.
little summer break, but we didn't want to leave you with nothing. That wouldn't be very fair of us
at all. So we've already done an episode featuring all of our favourite moments from the past year
on Miss Me. So go and give that a listen if you haven't already. But today, it's all about
listen, bitch, the sex special, because why not? We can't believe we haven't done it already. So
stay tuned for a compilation of all of our tales, trials and tribulations about sex. Plus, we've got some
unheard audio from our first ever live show back in March.
Makita particularly revealed some stuff that you'll want to hear.
Right. I'll just get my lube ready and then we can begin.
Hi, Lily, I'm Haley from Essex and I have a cast sex story for you, Makita.
it was a number of years ago now
and very very out of character for me
hence why all of my friends
thought this was hilarious
I was seeing a guy
and it was his birthday
so I met him and his friends
for some drinks
I don't drink
I'm always the designated driver
I offered to drive him home
and we started falling around
and obviously one thing led to another
I was about to enter into unsafe sex, which you get is very uncharacteristic for me.
But it didn't seem to matter because he was very drunk and couldn't actually get it in.
So he had an amazing five minutes with the inside of my leg while I just kind of laid there and thought,
well, it's his birthday.
but unfortunately because we didn't use a condom and he wasn't exactly inside when he finished
it went everywhere and when I mean everywhere it went into the underneath of the seat down
the hole where the seatbelt plugs are yeah it was pretty gross and honestly I don't know
how anybody can have sex in the back of the car it's just very uncomfort
And, yeah, I never tried it after that.
So I would like to know if either of you have had any successful car sex encounters
or if it's actually impossible and very unrealistic like the movies.
But that's a serious, serious story.
Thank you for coming here.
Let's maybe not say coming.
Thank you for being here today with such rawness.
Thank you.
And thank you so much for giving me a sex story in a car
because I haven't had sex in a car ever.
And you've just ruined it for me
because I always think in films it looks so hot
and not neat, but like not this chaos
that you seem to be describing.
I feel like you've had sex in a car.
Because you've always had a car.
I'm trying to think about it.
I don't think, I mean, I kind of feel like I'm
must have, but I can't remember.
I think I've probably given a blowjob in a car.
Yeah, I mean, standard.
Or a hand job, at least.
Yeah, actually, I've definitely done a hand job.
Is this in your own car or the man whose penis is getting the hand job?
Is it his car?
Because it's quite a lot of power if you give someone a hand job in your car as opposed to
in their car.
I think it might even be slightly more complex than that.
I think it might have been my car, but he was driving it.
Oh my God, that is a head fuck.
Okay.
Where does the power lie?
Maybe that's why you gave him a hand job
because he was driving your car.
Bring that power back, Rich.
Okay.
But, you know, I don't think I've had full sex in a car.
When I think about the practicalities of it,
I'm thinking about my knees, not liking it.
Right.
Well, it depends on the position.
I don't know what position you're in.
Well, I'm thinking he's in the passenger seat
and I'm on top.
on my, with my knees bent, obviously.
No, your feet would be on the floor.
Well, hang on.
Because it's not that far down.
No, no, how?
Like around the seat on the floor?
Yeah.
No, I don't think that my legs could fit around the seat.
I think I'd have to be.
Maybe because I have longer legs.
It's wrong for me.
This is a longer-legged sex position possibly.
Hey, I mean, I don't.
I don't know, because I've never had sex in a car.
Maybe my idea of how it would work is not at all how it would work.
Maybe that doesn't work at all.
I'm thinking it's going to have to be sort of this situation.
Yeah, but then now try and put each leg over the side.
Well, that's what I'm thinking.
There's not much room to go here.
Oh, that now, see, look, now I'm trying.
That is a good sex position.
The door is here.
Yeah, the door's there.
No, this is not working for me.
Oh, your partner is there.
I think that I looked hot.
It's great.
Is it hot watching me get out of the position?
This is our 39-year-old gets out of a sexy, sex position.
When you're 20, you go,
and done.
It's nice to know that there are still, you know,
fruitful adventures in cars for both of us to still have.
I'd really love to hear the noises from in the studio now that I'm watching.
Actually, really looked so, so cute with your little bum in the air.
It was actually very sweet.
I know it was meant to be sexy as fuck, but it was actually very sweet.
A little bit of both.
When you have a first kiss with someone, if it's a bad first kiss,
or there's no real spark or chemistry,
Do you then think you can go on to have good sexual chemistry with that person?
And likewise, if you have an insane good first kiss, fireworks, Fanny Flatters, the works,
do you then think you can have shambolic sex?
Or do you think you can tell the chemistry from the very first smooch?
What do you think? Thanks.
This is what I was trying to talk about earlier where I've had incredible, beautiful, like,
hearing Puccini in your head lifting above the ground kissing with a number of people
and then not had sexual chemistry and it is a fucking shocker they actually depict this
issue in sex in the city season five when Carrie starts dating burger and he when they first
meet little it's like explaining sex in the city to an alien because I know you've never watched it
and you don't care but this guy is like a very like a like like a like
a mirror to her. He's also a writer.
And he's got a girlfriend when they first meet. This is Carrie Burger
Season 5. Everyone in the world will know what I'm talking about.
And then, so it's a while till they finally get a chance to even start dating.
Because he breaks up with this lemon, blah, blah, blah.
Then they start dating and their kisses are like next level.
They're like shutting down restaurants because they can't stop kissing.
And then they get in bed and it's like quiet.
And like, just terrible.
And she tries twice.
So Samantha then says to Carrie
What does she say?
She says fuck me badly once, shame on you
Fuck me badly twice, shame on me
And I think that's something we should all remember
But then they do get a better sexual chemistry
But it's always in the background
And he dumps her terribly
He's actually one of the worst that she ever dates
So I don't know
I think it's quite telling
That if there is sexual chemistry within the kiss
It doesn't mean you're going to have
Good Sexual Chemistry in bed
No, and there's nothing more disappointing, and I'm going to get shit for this.
But when you are having a good kiss and then you go for a feel of the boner and it's like not giving.
I would, you know, it is what it is, right?
You've got what you've got down there.
I've had sex with people that have not been particularly well endowed and it've been, you know, good.
You know, it's not how big it is, is how you use it.
But, you know, if you, if you're snogging someone and then you feel a massive bono, you're like, you're like, oh, yeah, let's go.
I win.
I'm the best.
Yay, sticking all the boxes.
Yay, erection.
What is the strangest thing you guys have ever used to?
wank with or where is the strangest place you've ever done it like you know a public swimming pool
I have never had a public wank okay I don't think I've ever had a public rank either I have however
found myself caught short with my bag of sex toys when I've been on tour and been forced to use
the back of an electric toothbrush um that's a roll it on the other way and just use those
vibration. Why the back? Because you're also going to use it to then. Because obviously the front
of it would hurt. Oh, wait a minute. I feel like people use toothbrushes a lot in like 90s films.
They're always like, and then they look at toothbrush and go, huh. Actually, it's not a good
instrument for it at all. No, yeah, because obviously the front of it is like hard and bristled.
Nobody wants that anywhere near their clitoris or inside their vagina, but I can use the back of it
to, you know, anyway. It's quite intricate work though. Yeah, it's not ideal.
At all.
But I was cat in.
In fact, it's frustrating.
And also, obviously, couldn't use that toothbrush head anymore.
So I had to wait until later on that day when I could pop into boots and get myself a replacement head.
Replacement head.
Well, quite.
Do you think I should try porn?
Being in it or watching it?
Yes, there's an ex-career endeavour.
Things are going quite well, thank you.
I think it's time. I think it is time, actually.
I think it's...
I'd need some really vanilla stuff.
Like, I quite liked the sex scenes in boogie nights when I was young.
I used to think they were hot.
But that's just so really...
Fancy Mark Wahlberg.
I don't know, yeah, you could start off with some like, you know, shoplifting stuff, you know?
That's quite vanilla.
That's like a naughty girl gets caught by the security guard shoplifting and gets taken into
the back office and he's either going to call the police or she can do something to get
herself out of the situation.
See, that just, that's, that gives me sort of rapy energy and I don't like that at all.
I really don't like characters.
Well, then porn is not going to be for you.
Like fake narrative.
shot badly with like bad lighting.
Oh, I tell you what, there is quite good,
which can be quite horny,
is there's like a section of porn world
comes under like yonny massage,
which is like purely just like pleasure stuff.
So it's like the exploration of the vagina
and of a female masturbating.
So, and it's quite hot.
It can be quite hot.
And it's huge, sometimes it's like a guy,
like a sort of sex teacher
sort of making a girl come
but there's no interaction between them
like there's no communication
like verbal communication
so he's just doing things
to a woman who's lying there
there's no like sexual narrative
it's quite hot
not rapey at all
no not rapier at all
could be for you I'll send a couple your way
I'll get a little collection together and I'll send them over
Yoni Y-O-N-I
That would be great for the new season
The new wanking season
Mm-hmm
People go on about their fucking like
Autumn wardroves and like
Oh we get to drink hot chocolate and wear jumpers
Pumpkin spice latte
Yoni massage
Yeah exactly
Yeah exactly
It's the Yonnie massage tag
It's yonis season
Let's all pleasure ourselves
As much as we bloody like
For as long as we want
For this new season
I would love to feel like we're all doing that
Might heal the world.
You never know.
Make it a better place for you and for me and the entire human race.
Because there are people dying if you care enough for the living.
Make a better place for you and for me.
Good luck, Woking.
World, good luck.
Wow, so much wanking chat. I don't know about you, but I need a break.
Stick around though, because we're going to be getting into the audio from our first ever live show after this short break.
Welcome back to Listen Bitch. Let the sex conversations continue. It's finally time for
for us to share something that before today
had only lived in the hallowed walls of the Hackney Empire
all the way back in March of this year.
But you'll get to hear it now for the first time.
It's time for listen, bitch.
Can we have offer...
This is so fun, because we're never in the room with you.
Hi, let's have our first
Goodness
Wait, hi, hello
What's your name and where do you come from?
Yes, Nick
Yes, yeah
Nick, not so far
We have a few more questions
Are you a homeowner?
Do you rent?
I private rent my property in SICOP
Yeah, you do.
Okay
How's your landlord?
Gunfingers.
She's good.
She's good.
I've got a good landlord.
Hard to find, don't me?
Yeah, they are hard to find.
Hold on to her.
I've been lucky.
Hold on to that one.
I've been very lucky.
What's your question about sex, Nick?
My question to you two girls is,
what's your feeling on Dirty Talk during the deed?
Love it.
Because as I've got older,
I used to get embarrassed,
but now I just go with a flow.
And I enjoy it.
And there's no boundaries now.
The dirty of the better.
But what's...
sure to feelings on it. Thank you Nick. Good question. Nice dirty, dirty little start. I love
dirty talk. How dirty are we talking? Hmm. It's all that rhythm really, isn't it? So it's like
if and mirroring each other. So it's like just as dirty as I like it. Like someone was having
dirty talk with someone they're seeing over the phone. And I was like, that's too much for me.
what you just told me
that one
it was a bit like
when you're actually having sex
with someone
and it's you know
are you a talker
me
yeah
yeah I'm
oh my god
yeah I'm quite chatty
in bed
I am
I'm quite chatty
but it really does depend
because
yeah what I heard was a bit like
you're a naughty girl.
No, that's fine.
It was more like, oh, I'm going to...
I like being told I'm a good girl.
Oh, yeah, that's quite hot.
Such a good girl.
That's quite hot.
But yeah, chatty, chaty,
dirty talk it to me,
whenever you can.
I don't believe you that you're a dirty talker.
It's absolutely the truth.
Have you ever called anyone, Daddy?
See, interesting that you think dirty talk must
stick to one narrative.
Good girl, daddy.
Interesting.
I don't need that.
Okay, so maybe my dirty talk is a little cliche.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I told you.
I don't know.
Daddy issues.
I like being asked questions.
Oh, really?
Like what?
Like, do you like
daddy's dick?
No, it's just right, I don't think we've quite got around to what your dirty talk is.
Yes, we have.
I said, I'd like to be asked questions.
Yeah.
Like, what kind of questions?
I actually just can't.
Like, please don't.
No, because otherwise you're just lying.
It's a lie.
Okay, I guess like, oh my God.
Like, oh my God.
I actually can't. I'm so sorry.
Like, what? What is the capital of Peru?
Like, kind of stuff.
Like, do you like you when I do that kind of stuff?
Okay. Let's get another question.
No. No, come on.
I know. I think this is good.
No, because we have 14. Okay.
And 27 minutes.
No, I know. I know. I know.
We can't leave this building under after 10.45.
Okay, where's our next question coming from?
Hi.
Hello, gods. Hi.
Hi.
Hi.
What's your name?
Hello.
Kelly.
Where do you live?
Norwich.
Oh.
Are you a homeowner?
I am.
You are.
Yeah, you're like you are.
Thank you.
Yeah, I'm quite proud of myself.
Yeah, you should be.
Stand straight.
Together, homeowner.
What dirty sex question?
It doesn't have to be dirty.
No.
What you do like to be asked a question?
Oh my God.
Woo!
I'm sorry.
You won't try it into that one.
I feel like we're in something now.
No, it's okay.
This one is fine.
But no, you always sort of talk about life through the ages.
You'll talk about your T's, your 20s, your 30s,
and obviously going into your 40s.
So I was wondering how you, how do you differentiate
between the kind of sex you're having in your 20s
versus your 30s, your 40s?
Was it better, worse?
What's the difference?
What a question?
What about?
What is it for you, Cal?
How old are you?
I'm 36, nearly 37.
Right, so where are you at?
Where I'm at?
How long have you got?
Yeah, definitely not having any sex in the moment.
I'm just sort of after a break.
I've break up in September, so I'm doing the fuck all men.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
I'm fine.
Actually, fine.
Was it a hard breakup?
It was pretty shit, yeah.
They're always so shit, aren't they?
Yeah, but yeah.
So for now, that's not my.
That's not my priority, but I feel like that, you know...
Interesting you say 36, because apparently a lot of people said 40 is when you start to have great sex.
Fingers crossed.
If I... Yes, quite.
If I go, we've had to do, obviously, miss me, and also now miss me live, just going through our past has gone into a new level.
And I've been looking at our 20s and 30s a lot, especially that montage, and realizing that I don't even really think I was having sex, really, in my 20s.
I was sort of just occasionally sleeping with people.
There was never really like the intimacy
and the reciprocal, like that actual reciprocal intimacy,
which takes a lot of vulnerability,
which I don't think I felt until I was in my early 30s,
and I used to never go on top
because I thought I'd have to be a bit too performative.
And so I would sometimes go on top
and then be like, after about a minute,
because I was like, let's just get this done
because I feel embarrassed.
And then one boy, I don't think you've met him, he was like, no, stay.
Stay on top and rock like this.
And like, does that feel good?
The questions, does that feel good?
And I was like, actually, yeah.
And he was like, stay with it.
Stay with it.
And I had like this.
He wasn't that much of a dickhead then.
Then he was.
I hate when you've had good sex with terrible people.
But anyway, what is my point?
Yes, that's when I started to realize that to have great sex,
I had to stay in it more and not just kind of do the performative sex thing
and get, like, be in the sex.
Well, I didn't even masturbate until my mid-30s, really.
Yeah, me neither.
And, yeah, for me, sex in my 20th.
Well, I mean, I think things are changing now, right?
But, like, when I was young, sex for me was like going to the pub,
getting absolutely rat-assed, sleeping with some.
and then maybe calling you back the next day.
Or a few days later.
It was never about the sex for me.
That's what I mean.
Our 20s, I don't think we were like,
I'm having this kind of sex.
It was like, go to the pub, fuck a friend, go home.
Not even a friend.
Just someone.
I did friends.
Fuck someone, maybe they'll call you.
Or you wake up and you're like,
get out of here.
But I do, I really do believe in that, Kelly.
really do believe that it gets better because you know yourself better, isn't it? So I just, it has
to. It has to. Have we got anyone in their 50s here that can say sex is dynamite?
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, take it. Sex is going to get better and better.
I'll have it. I think it's time for another question. Where are we going?
Where the hell are we going? Oh. Hi. Hi. Oh, hi. Oh, my God. You've got no shame merch on.
Oh, my name's Emily.
Hi, Emily.
Today, I got an offer, me and my boyfriend, for our first flat,
so I'm soon to be an Essex girl.
Yay!
Oh, welcome to the end.
My question is, it kind of irks me that society thinks that women's sex drive
would be lower than a man's.
I just wondered, what myths about female pleasure do you think should be debunked?
Oh, thanks for being here.
good question
well I think one of them is that men want to have sex more than women
I think that is actually really untrue
and I think I've said it on the podcast about the
sexless relationship I was in too scared to tell my friends
and then spoke out
and a lot of my friends were like that's
that is my life with my boyfriend I want to have sex
and he very often doesn't and I was like
why isn't anyone talking about this
and I think it's also very hard for men as well
I think to assume that boys and men have these huge libidos and they can't get enough of it and they just want to fuck, fuck, fuck, and we're like, oh, I have a headache.
I think that's a very dated, very archaic kind of, you know, Mel Gibson, what women want film kind of energy.
I think people are vulnerable and scared, and there's a lot of different reasons why you don't want to have sex and why you do want to have sex.
Sometimes you just need like a little validation hit.
Sometimes you're just deeply attracted to your partner and you need them.
but I think we should always remember that it's never as simple as like men like sex like this
and women like sex this often I think we are far more nuanced bloody creatures than that
really what we're debunking myths about female pleasure I mean else listen it takes more than
like three minutes of going down there to like get me off okay in fact you've got to like get in there
wiggle around
up there
this
it's a sort of
double pronged attached
What was your
What was your first impression
When you first
Touched
Held
Held
Smelt
a pair of testicles.
Thank you.
Bye.
They're not the most attractive part of the male anatomy.
No, poor guys, yeah.
But, you know, genitalia isn't it that attractive in general?
Not saying that I think vaginas are ugly.
Ooh, that is controversial.
I think the vulva is quite beautiful object.
I think that I've had to learn to see that as beautiful.
and balls sort of sit in the same category of like
okay
I guess we just have decided that these are balls
but as just an anatomical thing
they're quite they're quite strange
yeah they're like wrinkly
oh actually you talked about feeling
I couldn't I quite enjoy
I couldn't quite believe it
I quite enjoy that like if you push
and press like the muscle whatever
it kind of moves doesn't it
You know, like, in that way.
I always thought that was quite a pleasing feeling.
You know, like, I think a lot of men would agree with you.
Yeah, yeah, it was absolutely welcomed.
Playing with their balls all the time.
Tickling? Have you done any tickling?
No, not a ball tickler.
By nature.
To be honest, I don't really think I've spent that much time around the ball sack, to be honest.
I did once get off with a guy that had one enormous ball
that hung a lot lower than the other ball.
That was interesting.
Had he been through something
where he'd had to get a testable removed?
You can't be born with one ball?
No, no, no. He had two balls.
One was just massive
and the other one was small and high up.
Oh, okay.
And so one hung very low
and the other one was very high.
Do your balls hang low?
Do you sing to him for a divan?
I mean, obviously we have to sing a bit of that song.
And you don't have to sing, do your balls hang low?
Oh, well, of course.
And also, this is the place where
You know, I mean, I never really, I remember being young
and hearing someone go, oh, his balls are dropping.
And I was like, how the fuck do you know?
And obviously it was because his voice was changing.
So I was always very interested in the connection between that
in the fact that this part of a man's body
drops and kind of takes them into their next chapter
and then their entire speaking voice changes.
Very powerful things, balls.
Oh, aren't they just?
Period sex. See, I don't think it's that deep, but that's maybe because I've bled so much.
I think maybe men, like, are maybe more, I don't know, squeamish to it because it's not every year, or are they just dickads.
I had a one-night stand where he was absolutely fine with it in the evening, not so fine with it in the morning when it was.
Look, everywhere.
Yeah, and I found out that he didn't text me back because of that.
And I was just like, hmm.
So, yeah, my question is, A, just thoughts on period sex in general.
And B, have you got any, like, what's your worst story?
Or what's a story, have you got a story where it went wrong?
Have you got a story where it went well?
Went well, bleeding in the bed?
No, I don't have one of those.
Oh, yes, of course.
Some people fucking love it.
No, I don't know whether they love it.
They're just, my vows are awful, or then.
kind about it. Some people love it.
What, like, into it? Like, yeah, bleed in my bed.
Yes, they want to go down on you when you're on your period.
Deep, no. Yeah. Oh, I haven't experienced that.
It's the thing. But personally, I don't really care.
But there are definitely some guys that like it and some guys that don't like it.
But I think that if you're in the throes of passion, like in the early stages of a relationship,
from my experience, most guys will be happy to look past.
it because you're, you know, in a certain period.
Yes.
But yeah, you know, when you get past that, you know, honeymoon phase,
it's like, I'm on the wreck and I just don't really want to clean the sheets
straight after we've had sex, honestly.
And if you want to go and get a towel, lay it on the bed, then we can do that.
But it seems like the moment's gone.
Sexy shit.
Oh, God, I've had boys be so mean to me about it.
How can they be mean to you about it?
It's literally like how humankind works.
Like, it's ridiculous.
There was one that, but he's so nice.
Do you remember that went out with small nap from squat parties?
No, but that is a dumb name.
And if he has got anything to say about periods,
he needs to check himself.
No, he was really nice.
I just, I was so fucking annoyed because I went to his house in,
I think, I don't know where I was,
but it was somewhere absolutely lovely.
I think it was like clapham, the posh bit.
And went to, like, hang out with him at his house.
and I like wasn't on my period
no chance of it coming
and woke up and just blood all over the sheets
I was like what the fuck and he was downstairs
and I was like he must have woken up and seen it
so I grabbed all the sheets off
and just shoved them in like a laundry basket
and it's like really posh house
and then he walked me to the station
and I was like I'm never going to see him again
because he's going to go back and know that I did that
and then I hid the sheets
I did see him again it was fine
but I was just the paranoia and anxiety
he was hell.
Isn't it funny how we're meant to feel ashamed of that?
Like, that's where your brain went rather than, like, he would be like, oh, she's got a period.
Because it's a mess.
It's like the mess of yourself, I feel like.
You know, I hate being messy.
Because I'm so messy and I'm so fucking clean.
It's true, though.
There isn't, like, this messy, clean need to be, like, I'm just a human being.
You're just a human being, babes.
And we bleed.
Not for long.
Not for fucking long.
What do you mean?
Oh, fuck, yeah.
Not for fucking long.
We are coming out of this period of bleeding out of our vaginas.
Hi, Miss Meek, Crew.
This is Lena from Sweden.
I kind of feel that the term virginity, it feels very dated.
So I'm wondering, what do you ladies think of?
What else can we call it, basically?
That's what I'm wondering.
What else can we call it besides virginity?
Heimann breaking.
Wonderful.
Thank you so much, Lena.
Yes.
The hymen breaking.
The hymen breaking event.
Yes.
When did you break your hymen?
Where were you when your hymen broke?
I thought you didn't want it to.
The new second question on a date.
What do you do?
And where were you when you were home?
Yeah, great.
Well, actually, and interesting,
in that film, Chasing Amy,
a brilliant Kevin Smith film from the 90s,
God, it's good.
I think it's a young,
I know, it's not René Zolwiger,
it's Joey Lauren Adams,
and she is gay,
and Ben Affleck is saying to it,
and he loves her,
and he says to her,
well, when did you lose your virginity?
And she says,
well, I lost my virginity when I was 12,
because I broke, I fell off a horse and I broke my hymen.
Interesting, but also now I'm saying it,
broken is also, has negative connotations.
So, we're, but then somebody doesn't break your hymen for,
I guess maybe they do.
Did you break her hymen?
Ooh, a bit of hymen's still intact.
How many hymonds have you broken?
Oh my God.
That's like, they call him the hymen breaker.
They call me hymenbreaker.
What's your nickname?
I'm James,
but they call me the iron breaker.
I think it's not a loss or a take or a break.
It's a give or a keep or a yours kind of thing.
Do you know what I mean?
No, even the giving and take it.
It's just like, just shut up.
It's just the first time.
So what I want to know is I clearly remember my first ever wank.
I was quite an early starter.
I was only 11.
It was a Saturday afternoon and I was just having a little lay on the sofa.
All my family were out and I suddenly just got a bit curious with a little pillow and started, I guess,
not really knowing what I was doing and just grinding up against it.
And then, ooh, what is this feeling?
Oh, my God.
I didn't even really know what was happening.
But my God, I loved the feeling.
And I kind of been chasing it ever since, really.
So, yeah, that's my first wanking story.
What I want to know is what are yours?
From one massive wanker to two wankers.
I look forward to your answer.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.
Thank you for every single part of that message.
No.
Come on, then.
Come on.
Little see, pooh.
No, come on.
I was not an early advocate, as we've discussed.
It was in my flat when I was about 32.
And I was going out with a horrible man who I was addicted to sleeping with.
And I decided to get that thing out of a box down in the bottom of a draw that Lily had given me years ago.
And tried it out.
and I really suddenly understood this freedom
of not needing him.
Once I realized I didn't need him for that,
I realized I needed him for absolutely nothing,
which was quite huge because when you need someone for sex
or to give you pleasure, nothing can compare.
So it was beautiful.
It was a real moment of freedom.
I haven't stopped since.
Yay!
Now you fucking go.
I can't remember when mine was,
but toys were a big part of it for me.
I've never been able to do it on my own with just my fingers.
I know people that can lucky bitches, but no.
I know.
I'm sure I could, but there's something sort of like,
I think I probably have some more work to do in therapy or something.
Like there's some sort of self-hatred there or something
that I just feel like sitting there on my own with my fingers just as a bit.
Wow, that a toy eradicate.
Ernest.
honest
I need some battery power action
to help me get to that point
and I did I went to Babe Land
I think it was here in America
and I was on tour
and bought a whole array
of different toys
clitoral stimulators rabbits
all of it
the whole shabang
ones that sort of go forward and backwards
like those ones
the G spot massages
and I've never used
I've never used anything like that.
Got back to my hotel, charged them all up, got out some lube.
And, yeah, you know, the rest is literally history.
Wow, what a ride.
I didn't actually realise how much we'd spoken about sex.
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