Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! The Sex Special

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver recap their best conversations about sex. Plus some exclusive content from the Live Shows in March!Next week, Lily will be joined by Jordan Stephens and we want to hear y...our questions about JUSTICE. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: 08000 30 40 90. Or, if you like, send us an email: missme@bbc.co.uk.This episode contains very strong language, adult themes and strong sexual references. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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Starting point is 00:00:00 BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, adult themes and strong sexual references. Hello, welcome to listen, bitch, the sex special. As you may know by now, Makita and I are taking a little. little summer break, but we didn't want to leave you with nothing. That wouldn't be very fair of us at all. So we've already done an episode featuring all of our favourite moments from the past year on Miss Me. So go and give that a listen if you haven't already. But today, it's all about listen, bitch, the sex special, because why not? We can't believe we haven't done it already. So
Starting point is 00:00:52 stay tuned for a compilation of all of our tales, trials and tribulations about sex. Plus, we've got some unheard audio from our first ever live show back in March. Makita particularly revealed some stuff that you'll want to hear. Right. I'll just get my lube ready and then we can begin. Hi, Lily, I'm Haley from Essex and I have a cast sex story for you, Makita. it was a number of years ago now and very very out of character for me hence why all of my friends
Starting point is 00:01:35 thought this was hilarious I was seeing a guy and it was his birthday so I met him and his friends for some drinks I don't drink I'm always the designated driver I offered to drive him home
Starting point is 00:01:52 and we started falling around and obviously one thing led to another I was about to enter into unsafe sex, which you get is very uncharacteristic for me. But it didn't seem to matter because he was very drunk and couldn't actually get it in. So he had an amazing five minutes with the inside of my leg while I just kind of laid there and thought, well, it's his birthday. but unfortunately because we didn't use a condom and he wasn't exactly inside when he finished it went everywhere and when I mean everywhere it went into the underneath of the seat down
Starting point is 00:02:41 the hole where the seatbelt plugs are yeah it was pretty gross and honestly I don't know how anybody can have sex in the back of the car it's just very uncomfort And, yeah, I never tried it after that. So I would like to know if either of you have had any successful car sex encounters or if it's actually impossible and very unrealistic like the movies. But that's a serious, serious story. Thank you for coming here. Let's maybe not say coming.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Thank you for being here today with such rawness. Thank you. And thank you so much for giving me a sex story in a car because I haven't had sex in a car ever. And you've just ruined it for me because I always think in films it looks so hot and not neat, but like not this chaos that you seem to be describing.
Starting point is 00:03:44 I feel like you've had sex in a car. Because you've always had a car. I'm trying to think about it. I don't think, I mean, I kind of feel like I'm must have, but I can't remember. I think I've probably given a blowjob in a car. Yeah, I mean, standard. Or a hand job, at least.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Yeah, actually, I've definitely done a hand job. Is this in your own car or the man whose penis is getting the hand job? Is it his car? Because it's quite a lot of power if you give someone a hand job in your car as opposed to in their car. I think it might even be slightly more complex than that. I think it might have been my car, but he was driving it. Oh my God, that is a head fuck.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Okay. Where does the power lie? Maybe that's why you gave him a hand job because he was driving your car. Bring that power back, Rich. Okay. But, you know, I don't think I've had full sex in a car. When I think about the practicalities of it,
Starting point is 00:04:41 I'm thinking about my knees, not liking it. Right. Well, it depends on the position. I don't know what position you're in. Well, I'm thinking he's in the passenger seat and I'm on top. on my, with my knees bent, obviously. No, your feet would be on the floor.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Well, hang on. Because it's not that far down. No, no, how? Like around the seat on the floor? Yeah. No, I don't think that my legs could fit around the seat. I think I'd have to be. Maybe because I have longer legs.
Starting point is 00:05:15 It's wrong for me. This is a longer-legged sex position possibly. Hey, I mean, I don't. I don't know, because I've never had sex in a car. Maybe my idea of how it would work is not at all how it would work. Maybe that doesn't work at all. I'm thinking it's going to have to be sort of this situation. Yeah, but then now try and put each leg over the side.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Well, that's what I'm thinking. There's not much room to go here. Oh, that now, see, look, now I'm trying. That is a good sex position. The door is here. Yeah, the door's there. No, this is not working for me. Oh, your partner is there.
Starting point is 00:05:58 I think that I looked hot. It's great. Is it hot watching me get out of the position? This is our 39-year-old gets out of a sexy, sex position. When you're 20, you go, and done. It's nice to know that there are still, you know, fruitful adventures in cars for both of us to still have.
Starting point is 00:06:18 I'd really love to hear the noises from in the studio now that I'm watching. Actually, really looked so, so cute with your little bum in the air. It was actually very sweet. I know it was meant to be sexy as fuck, but it was actually very sweet. A little bit of both. When you have a first kiss with someone, if it's a bad first kiss, or there's no real spark or chemistry, Do you then think you can go on to have good sexual chemistry with that person?
Starting point is 00:06:57 And likewise, if you have an insane good first kiss, fireworks, Fanny Flatters, the works, do you then think you can have shambolic sex? Or do you think you can tell the chemistry from the very first smooch? What do you think? Thanks. This is what I was trying to talk about earlier where I've had incredible, beautiful, like, hearing Puccini in your head lifting above the ground kissing with a number of people and then not had sexual chemistry and it is a fucking shocker they actually depict this issue in sex in the city season five when Carrie starts dating burger and he when they first
Starting point is 00:07:41 meet little it's like explaining sex in the city to an alien because I know you've never watched it and you don't care but this guy is like a very like a like like a like a mirror to her. He's also a writer. And he's got a girlfriend when they first meet. This is Carrie Burger Season 5. Everyone in the world will know what I'm talking about. And then, so it's a while till they finally get a chance to even start dating. Because he breaks up with this lemon, blah, blah, blah. Then they start dating and their kisses are like next level.
Starting point is 00:08:07 They're like shutting down restaurants because they can't stop kissing. And then they get in bed and it's like quiet. And like, just terrible. And she tries twice. So Samantha then says to Carrie What does she say? She says fuck me badly once, shame on you Fuck me badly twice, shame on me
Starting point is 00:08:29 And I think that's something we should all remember But then they do get a better sexual chemistry But it's always in the background And he dumps her terribly He's actually one of the worst that she ever dates So I don't know I think it's quite telling That if there is sexual chemistry within the kiss
Starting point is 00:08:47 It doesn't mean you're going to have Good Sexual Chemistry in bed No, and there's nothing more disappointing, and I'm going to get shit for this. But when you are having a good kiss and then you go for a feel of the boner and it's like not giving. I would, you know, it is what it is, right? You've got what you've got down there. I've had sex with people that have not been particularly well endowed and it've been, you know, good. You know, it's not how big it is, is how you use it.
Starting point is 00:09:17 But, you know, if you, if you're snogging someone and then you feel a massive bono, you're like, you're like, oh, yeah, let's go. I win. I'm the best. Yay, sticking all the boxes. Yay, erection. What is the strangest thing you guys have ever used to? wank with or where is the strangest place you've ever done it like you know a public swimming pool I have never had a public wank okay I don't think I've ever had a public rank either I have however
Starting point is 00:10:00 found myself caught short with my bag of sex toys when I've been on tour and been forced to use the back of an electric toothbrush um that's a roll it on the other way and just use those vibration. Why the back? Because you're also going to use it to then. Because obviously the front of it would hurt. Oh, wait a minute. I feel like people use toothbrushes a lot in like 90s films. They're always like, and then they look at toothbrush and go, huh. Actually, it's not a good instrument for it at all. No, yeah, because obviously the front of it is like hard and bristled. Nobody wants that anywhere near their clitoris or inside their vagina, but I can use the back of it to, you know, anyway. It's quite intricate work though. Yeah, it's not ideal.
Starting point is 00:10:44 At all. But I was cat in. In fact, it's frustrating. And also, obviously, couldn't use that toothbrush head anymore. So I had to wait until later on that day when I could pop into boots and get myself a replacement head. Replacement head. Well, quite. Do you think I should try porn?
Starting point is 00:11:24 Being in it or watching it? Yes, there's an ex-career endeavour. Things are going quite well, thank you. I think it's time. I think it is time, actually. I think it's... I'd need some really vanilla stuff. Like, I quite liked the sex scenes in boogie nights when I was young. I used to think they were hot.
Starting point is 00:11:43 But that's just so really... Fancy Mark Wahlberg. I don't know, yeah, you could start off with some like, you know, shoplifting stuff, you know? That's quite vanilla. That's like a naughty girl gets caught by the security guard shoplifting and gets taken into the back office and he's either going to call the police or she can do something to get herself out of the situation. See, that just, that's, that gives me sort of rapy energy and I don't like that at all.
Starting point is 00:12:08 I really don't like characters. Well, then porn is not going to be for you. Like fake narrative. shot badly with like bad lighting. Oh, I tell you what, there is quite good, which can be quite horny, is there's like a section of porn world comes under like yonny massage,
Starting point is 00:12:28 which is like purely just like pleasure stuff. So it's like the exploration of the vagina and of a female masturbating. So, and it's quite hot. It can be quite hot. And it's huge, sometimes it's like a guy, like a sort of sex teacher sort of making a girl come
Starting point is 00:12:48 but there's no interaction between them like there's no communication like verbal communication so he's just doing things to a woman who's lying there there's no like sexual narrative it's quite hot not rapey at all
Starting point is 00:13:06 no not rapier at all could be for you I'll send a couple your way I'll get a little collection together and I'll send them over Yoni Y-O-N-I That would be great for the new season The new wanking season Mm-hmm People go on about their fucking like
Starting point is 00:13:21 Autumn wardroves and like Oh we get to drink hot chocolate and wear jumpers Pumpkin spice latte Yoni massage Yeah exactly Yeah exactly It's the Yonnie massage tag It's yonis season
Starting point is 00:13:33 Let's all pleasure ourselves As much as we bloody like For as long as we want For this new season I would love to feel like we're all doing that Might heal the world. You never know. Make it a better place for you and for me and the entire human race.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Because there are people dying if you care enough for the living. Make a better place for you and for me. Good luck, Woking. World, good luck. Wow, so much wanking chat. I don't know about you, but I need a break. Stick around though, because we're going to be getting into the audio from our first ever live show after this short break. Welcome back to Listen Bitch. Let the sex conversations continue. It's finally time for for us to share something that before today
Starting point is 00:14:43 had only lived in the hallowed walls of the Hackney Empire all the way back in March of this year. But you'll get to hear it now for the first time. It's time for listen, bitch. Can we have offer... This is so fun, because we're never in the room with you. Hi, let's have our first Goodness
Starting point is 00:15:13 Wait, hi, hello What's your name and where do you come from? Yes, Nick Yes, yeah Nick, not so far We have a few more questions Are you a homeowner? Do you rent?
Starting point is 00:15:28 I private rent my property in SICOP Yeah, you do. Okay How's your landlord? Gunfingers. She's good. She's good. I've got a good landlord.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Hard to find, don't me? Yeah, they are hard to find. Hold on to her. I've been lucky. Hold on to that one. I've been very lucky. What's your question about sex, Nick? My question to you two girls is,
Starting point is 00:15:49 what's your feeling on Dirty Talk during the deed? Love it. Because as I've got older, I used to get embarrassed, but now I just go with a flow. And I enjoy it. And there's no boundaries now. The dirty of the better.
Starting point is 00:16:10 But what's... sure to feelings on it. Thank you Nick. Good question. Nice dirty, dirty little start. I love dirty talk. How dirty are we talking? Hmm. It's all that rhythm really, isn't it? So it's like if and mirroring each other. So it's like just as dirty as I like it. Like someone was having dirty talk with someone they're seeing over the phone. And I was like, that's too much for me. what you just told me that one it was a bit like
Starting point is 00:16:43 when you're actually having sex with someone and it's you know are you a talker me yeah yeah I'm oh my god
Starting point is 00:16:55 yeah I'm quite chatty in bed I am I'm quite chatty but it really does depend because yeah what I heard was a bit like you're a naughty girl.
Starting point is 00:17:11 No, that's fine. It was more like, oh, I'm going to... I like being told I'm a good girl. Oh, yeah, that's quite hot. Such a good girl. That's quite hot. But yeah, chatty, chaty, dirty talk it to me,
Starting point is 00:17:27 whenever you can. I don't believe you that you're a dirty talker. It's absolutely the truth. Have you ever called anyone, Daddy? See, interesting that you think dirty talk must stick to one narrative. Good girl, daddy. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:17:42 I don't need that. Okay, so maybe my dirty talk is a little cliche. Yeah. Yeah. I told you. I don't know. Daddy issues. I like being asked questions.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Oh, really? Like what? Like, do you like daddy's dick? No, it's just right, I don't think we've quite got around to what your dirty talk is. Yes, we have. I said, I'd like to be asked questions. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Like, what kind of questions? I actually just can't. Like, please don't. No, because otherwise you're just lying. It's a lie. Okay, I guess like, oh my God. Like, oh my God. I actually can't. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Like, what? What is the capital of Peru? Like, kind of stuff. Like, do you like you when I do that kind of stuff? Okay. Let's get another question. No. No, come on. I know. I think this is good. No, because we have 14. Okay. And 27 minutes.
Starting point is 00:18:56 No, I know. I know. I know. We can't leave this building under after 10.45. Okay, where's our next question coming from? Hi. Hello, gods. Hi. Hi. Hi. What's your name?
Starting point is 00:19:06 Hello. Kelly. Where do you live? Norwich. Oh. Are you a homeowner? I am. You are.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Yeah, you're like you are. Thank you. Yeah, I'm quite proud of myself. Yeah, you should be. Stand straight. Together, homeowner. What dirty sex question? It doesn't have to be dirty.
Starting point is 00:19:24 No. What you do like to be asked a question? Oh my God. Woo! I'm sorry. You won't try it into that one. I feel like we're in something now. No, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:19:40 This one is fine. But no, you always sort of talk about life through the ages. You'll talk about your T's, your 20s, your 30s, and obviously going into your 40s. So I was wondering how you, how do you differentiate between the kind of sex you're having in your 20s versus your 30s, your 40s? Was it better, worse?
Starting point is 00:19:59 What's the difference? What a question? What about? What is it for you, Cal? How old are you? I'm 36, nearly 37. Right, so where are you at? Where I'm at?
Starting point is 00:20:11 How long have you got? Yeah, definitely not having any sex in the moment. I'm just sort of after a break. I've break up in September, so I'm doing the fuck all men. No, it's fine. It's fine. I'm fine. Actually, fine.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Was it a hard breakup? It was pretty shit, yeah. They're always so shit, aren't they? Yeah, but yeah. So for now, that's not my. That's not my priority, but I feel like that, you know... Interesting you say 36, because apparently a lot of people said 40 is when you start to have great sex. Fingers crossed.
Starting point is 00:20:43 If I... Yes, quite. If I go, we've had to do, obviously, miss me, and also now miss me live, just going through our past has gone into a new level. And I've been looking at our 20s and 30s a lot, especially that montage, and realizing that I don't even really think I was having sex, really, in my 20s. I was sort of just occasionally sleeping with people. There was never really like the intimacy and the reciprocal, like that actual reciprocal intimacy, which takes a lot of vulnerability, which I don't think I felt until I was in my early 30s,
Starting point is 00:21:17 and I used to never go on top because I thought I'd have to be a bit too performative. And so I would sometimes go on top and then be like, after about a minute, because I was like, let's just get this done because I feel embarrassed. And then one boy, I don't think you've met him, he was like, no, stay. Stay on top and rock like this.
Starting point is 00:21:42 And like, does that feel good? The questions, does that feel good? And I was like, actually, yeah. And he was like, stay with it. Stay with it. And I had like this. He wasn't that much of a dickhead then. Then he was.
Starting point is 00:21:54 I hate when you've had good sex with terrible people. But anyway, what is my point? Yes, that's when I started to realize that to have great sex, I had to stay in it more and not just kind of do the performative sex thing and get, like, be in the sex. Well, I didn't even masturbate until my mid-30s, really. Yeah, me neither. And, yeah, for me, sex in my 20th.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Well, I mean, I think things are changing now, right? But, like, when I was young, sex for me was like going to the pub, getting absolutely rat-assed, sleeping with some. and then maybe calling you back the next day. Or a few days later. It was never about the sex for me. That's what I mean. Our 20s, I don't think we were like,
Starting point is 00:22:43 I'm having this kind of sex. It was like, go to the pub, fuck a friend, go home. Not even a friend. Just someone. I did friends. Fuck someone, maybe they'll call you. Or you wake up and you're like, get out of here.
Starting point is 00:22:58 But I do, I really do believe in that, Kelly. really do believe that it gets better because you know yourself better, isn't it? So I just, it has to. It has to. Have we got anyone in their 50s here that can say sex is dynamite? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, take it. Sex is going to get better and better. I'll have it. I think it's time for another question. Where are we going? Where the hell are we going? Oh. Hi. Hi. Oh, hi. Oh, my God. You've got no shame merch on. Oh, my name's Emily. Hi, Emily.
Starting point is 00:23:35 Today, I got an offer, me and my boyfriend, for our first flat, so I'm soon to be an Essex girl. Yay! Oh, welcome to the end. My question is, it kind of irks me that society thinks that women's sex drive would be lower than a man's. I just wondered, what myths about female pleasure do you think should be debunked? Oh, thanks for being here.
Starting point is 00:23:58 good question well I think one of them is that men want to have sex more than women I think that is actually really untrue and I think I've said it on the podcast about the sexless relationship I was in too scared to tell my friends and then spoke out and a lot of my friends were like that's that is my life with my boyfriend I want to have sex
Starting point is 00:24:21 and he very often doesn't and I was like why isn't anyone talking about this and I think it's also very hard for men as well I think to assume that boys and men have these huge libidos and they can't get enough of it and they just want to fuck, fuck, fuck, and we're like, oh, I have a headache. I think that's a very dated, very archaic kind of, you know, Mel Gibson, what women want film kind of energy. I think people are vulnerable and scared, and there's a lot of different reasons why you don't want to have sex and why you do want to have sex. Sometimes you just need like a little validation hit. Sometimes you're just deeply attracted to your partner and you need them.
Starting point is 00:24:56 but I think we should always remember that it's never as simple as like men like sex like this and women like sex this often I think we are far more nuanced bloody creatures than that really what we're debunking myths about female pleasure I mean else listen it takes more than like three minutes of going down there to like get me off okay in fact you've got to like get in there wiggle around up there this it's a sort of
Starting point is 00:25:29 double pronged attached What was your What was your first impression When you first Touched Held Held Smelt
Starting point is 00:25:53 a pair of testicles. Thank you. Bye. They're not the most attractive part of the male anatomy. No, poor guys, yeah. But, you know, genitalia isn't it that attractive in general? Not saying that I think vaginas are ugly. Ooh, that is controversial.
Starting point is 00:26:11 I think the vulva is quite beautiful object. I think that I've had to learn to see that as beautiful. and balls sort of sit in the same category of like okay I guess we just have decided that these are balls but as just an anatomical thing they're quite they're quite strange yeah they're like wrinkly
Starting point is 00:26:36 oh actually you talked about feeling I couldn't I quite enjoy I couldn't quite believe it I quite enjoy that like if you push and press like the muscle whatever it kind of moves doesn't it You know, like, in that way. I always thought that was quite a pleasing feeling.
Starting point is 00:26:57 You know, like, I think a lot of men would agree with you. Yeah, yeah, it was absolutely welcomed. Playing with their balls all the time. Tickling? Have you done any tickling? No, not a ball tickler. By nature. To be honest, I don't really think I've spent that much time around the ball sack, to be honest. I did once get off with a guy that had one enormous ball
Starting point is 00:27:20 that hung a lot lower than the other ball. That was interesting. Had he been through something where he'd had to get a testable removed? You can't be born with one ball? No, no, no. He had two balls. One was just massive and the other one was small and high up.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Oh, okay. And so one hung very low and the other one was very high. Do your balls hang low? Do you sing to him for a divan? I mean, obviously we have to sing a bit of that song. And you don't have to sing, do your balls hang low? Oh, well, of course.
Starting point is 00:27:48 And also, this is the place where You know, I mean, I never really, I remember being young and hearing someone go, oh, his balls are dropping. And I was like, how the fuck do you know? And obviously it was because his voice was changing. So I was always very interested in the connection between that in the fact that this part of a man's body drops and kind of takes them into their next chapter
Starting point is 00:28:09 and then their entire speaking voice changes. Very powerful things, balls. Oh, aren't they just? Period sex. See, I don't think it's that deep, but that's maybe because I've bled so much. I think maybe men, like, are maybe more, I don't know, squeamish to it because it's not every year, or are they just dickads. I had a one-night stand where he was absolutely fine with it in the evening, not so fine with it in the morning when it was. Look, everywhere. Yeah, and I found out that he didn't text me back because of that.
Starting point is 00:28:55 And I was just like, hmm. So, yeah, my question is, A, just thoughts on period sex in general. And B, have you got any, like, what's your worst story? Or what's a story, have you got a story where it went wrong? Have you got a story where it went well? Went well, bleeding in the bed? No, I don't have one of those. Oh, yes, of course.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Some people fucking love it. No, I don't know whether they love it. They're just, my vows are awful, or then. kind about it. Some people love it. What, like, into it? Like, yeah, bleed in my bed. Yes, they want to go down on you when you're on your period. Deep, no. Yeah. Oh, I haven't experienced that. It's the thing. But personally, I don't really care.
Starting point is 00:29:36 But there are definitely some guys that like it and some guys that don't like it. But I think that if you're in the throes of passion, like in the early stages of a relationship, from my experience, most guys will be happy to look past. it because you're, you know, in a certain period. Yes. But yeah, you know, when you get past that, you know, honeymoon phase, it's like, I'm on the wreck and I just don't really want to clean the sheets straight after we've had sex, honestly.
Starting point is 00:30:04 And if you want to go and get a towel, lay it on the bed, then we can do that. But it seems like the moment's gone. Sexy shit. Oh, God, I've had boys be so mean to me about it. How can they be mean to you about it? It's literally like how humankind works. Like, it's ridiculous. There was one that, but he's so nice.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Do you remember that went out with small nap from squat parties? No, but that is a dumb name. And if he has got anything to say about periods, he needs to check himself. No, he was really nice. I just, I was so fucking annoyed because I went to his house in, I think, I don't know where I was, but it was somewhere absolutely lovely.
Starting point is 00:30:43 I think it was like clapham, the posh bit. And went to, like, hang out with him at his house. and I like wasn't on my period no chance of it coming and woke up and just blood all over the sheets I was like what the fuck and he was downstairs and I was like he must have woken up and seen it so I grabbed all the sheets off
Starting point is 00:31:03 and just shoved them in like a laundry basket and it's like really posh house and then he walked me to the station and I was like I'm never going to see him again because he's going to go back and know that I did that and then I hid the sheets I did see him again it was fine but I was just the paranoia and anxiety
Starting point is 00:31:18 he was hell. Isn't it funny how we're meant to feel ashamed of that? Like, that's where your brain went rather than, like, he would be like, oh, she's got a period. Because it's a mess. It's like the mess of yourself, I feel like. You know, I hate being messy. Because I'm so messy and I'm so fucking clean. It's true, though.
Starting point is 00:31:41 There isn't, like, this messy, clean need to be, like, I'm just a human being. You're just a human being, babes. And we bleed. Not for long. Not for fucking long. What do you mean? Oh, fuck, yeah. Not for fucking long.
Starting point is 00:31:56 We are coming out of this period of bleeding out of our vaginas. Hi, Miss Meek, Crew. This is Lena from Sweden. I kind of feel that the term virginity, it feels very dated. So I'm wondering, what do you ladies think of? What else can we call it, basically? That's what I'm wondering. What else can we call it besides virginity?
Starting point is 00:32:33 Heimann breaking. Wonderful. Thank you so much, Lena. Yes. The hymen breaking. The hymen breaking event. Yes. When did you break your hymen?
Starting point is 00:32:43 Where were you when your hymen broke? I thought you didn't want it to. The new second question on a date. What do you do? And where were you when you were home? Yeah, great. Well, actually, and interesting, in that film, Chasing Amy,
Starting point is 00:33:02 a brilliant Kevin Smith film from the 90s, God, it's good. I think it's a young, I know, it's not René Zolwiger, it's Joey Lauren Adams, and she is gay, and Ben Affleck is saying to it, and he loves her,
Starting point is 00:33:14 and he says to her, well, when did you lose your virginity? And she says, well, I lost my virginity when I was 12, because I broke, I fell off a horse and I broke my hymen. Interesting, but also now I'm saying it, broken is also, has negative connotations. So, we're, but then somebody doesn't break your hymen for,
Starting point is 00:33:30 I guess maybe they do. Did you break her hymen? Ooh, a bit of hymen's still intact. How many hymonds have you broken? Oh my God. That's like, they call him the hymen breaker. They call me hymenbreaker. What's your nickname?
Starting point is 00:33:51 I'm James, but they call me the iron breaker. I think it's not a loss or a take or a break. It's a give or a keep or a yours kind of thing. Do you know what I mean? No, even the giving and take it. It's just like, just shut up. It's just the first time.
Starting point is 00:34:16 So what I want to know is I clearly remember my first ever wank. I was quite an early starter. I was only 11. It was a Saturday afternoon and I was just having a little lay on the sofa. All my family were out and I suddenly just got a bit curious with a little pillow and started, I guess, not really knowing what I was doing and just grinding up against it. And then, ooh, what is this feeling? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:34:49 I didn't even really know what was happening. But my God, I loved the feeling. And I kind of been chasing it ever since, really. So, yeah, that's my first wanking story. What I want to know is what are yours? From one massive wanker to two wankers. I look forward to your answer. Bye-bye.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Thank you. Thank you for every single part of that message. No. Come on, then. Come on. Little see, pooh. No, come on. I was not an early advocate, as we've discussed.
Starting point is 00:35:26 It was in my flat when I was about 32. And I was going out with a horrible man who I was addicted to sleeping with. And I decided to get that thing out of a box down in the bottom of a draw that Lily had given me years ago. And tried it out. and I really suddenly understood this freedom of not needing him. Once I realized I didn't need him for that, I realized I needed him for absolutely nothing,
Starting point is 00:35:56 which was quite huge because when you need someone for sex or to give you pleasure, nothing can compare. So it was beautiful. It was a real moment of freedom. I haven't stopped since. Yay! Now you fucking go. I can't remember when mine was,
Starting point is 00:36:11 but toys were a big part of it for me. I've never been able to do it on my own with just my fingers. I know people that can lucky bitches, but no. I know. I'm sure I could, but there's something sort of like, I think I probably have some more work to do in therapy or something. Like there's some sort of self-hatred there or something that I just feel like sitting there on my own with my fingers just as a bit.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Wow, that a toy eradicate. Ernest. honest I need some battery power action to help me get to that point and I did I went to Babe Land I think it was here in America and I was on tour
Starting point is 00:36:57 and bought a whole array of different toys clitoral stimulators rabbits all of it the whole shabang ones that sort of go forward and backwards like those ones the G spot massages
Starting point is 00:37:09 and I've never used I've never used anything like that. Got back to my hotel, charged them all up, got out some lube. And, yeah, you know, the rest is literally history. Wow, what a ride. I didn't actually realise how much we'd spoken about sex. Lily and Jordan will be back doing Miss Me next week
Starting point is 00:37:41 mostly as normal just without me the theme for listen bitch with Lily and Jordan is still justice so keep sending us your justice related voice note questions for them
Starting point is 00:37:51 I'll be back the week after that and I will see you then Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver this is a Persefonica production
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