Miss Me? - Lorde Have Mercy

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss the upcoming Conclave, the return of Lorde and the cost of childcare.This episode contains very strong language, adult themes and some content some listeners might find upsetting. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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Dear Daughter, listen now wherever you get your BBC podcasts. BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, adult themes and some upsetting scenes. Hello. Hi, how are you? I'm okay, you seem a bit sad. Yeah, it's not been an easy weekend at all. It's just one of those slightly trickier birthday weekends. Can you share with us or is it not for the podcast? I'm going to keep it to myself. But it was fine. I mean, we

went to the pub and then we played pool. That's all I wanted to do. But it was fine. I mean, we went to the pub and then we played pool. That's all I wanted to do. But on the Saturday, I was at Mums with Phoebe and the kids and Nanny had a horrible fall in front of us all and cut open her lip and I turned her around and her mouth was like full of blood. And it was just, it was just terrifying. Sorry, sorry.

It's only been like two minutes. I'm already crying. It's just been a really, really challenging weekend. A few days even. And she had to go to hospital and stuff. And I just suddenly really understood like, that like she's you know mortal and fragile yeah and then Theo came around and I think we were just all really shook up me, Phoebe and Theo which is like oh my god nanny with like blood pouring out of her mouth

and then my parents had to go to the hospital with her for 10 hours and they said the care was extraordinary, but just the poor NHS is so deeply understaffed. So it was just like a really tricky weekend. And then, but we did something good with me, Phoebe and Theo as cousins, we said, let's pay attention to what the world's telling us and act accordingly. And we got out of my mom's house, bundled into the car, took both dogs and went up to this magical place

called Chingford Plains, which is, wow. I know, sounds like a magical cove. And it was everything we needed. It's basically more of Epping Forest. We went to a wilder part, a more mystical, medieval, they were like glades and glens. And I now know the difference between the two. And we just sort of breathed all the weird energy out. And it was good. It was really nice. Marley as well.

Such a shocking image though of your nan with a bust up lip and mouth full of blood. I'm so sorry you had to see that. Thanks for saying that. Yeah, it really shook me. And it's basically transpired that I didn't realize my mom's going away for a lot of May, most of it, and so has Gav. So you're gonna be looking after Nanny.

I'm basically going to be my Nan's carer, which were not in my summer plans, even kind of. But yeah, just like, nothing surprises me anymore, Lil. I guess nothing can hurt me because I keep getting through these quite challenging things. Maybe that's the lesson. Tell me about your week. Tell me something positive and uplifting. What happened to me this week? Feel like I went bowling.

Did you? That is positive and uplifting. Did you now? I went bowling. Were you any good? I was. I wasn't to begin with, but I got there in the end. We used to go bowling. Yeah.

That was quite fun. I've been like, you know, getting out and meeting people a lot this last week and, you know, still like leaning into my recovery a lot and going to lots of meetings. Okay. All right. I've been going to a new, you know, support group that deals with fear of success and money management. Oh, right.

Yeah, yeah. And it's actually, it's not, it's not really about money. It's like fear of underachieving. And it's funny, it's like out of all of the, you know, different meetings that I've been to, it's like the most hardcore. I bet it fucking is. It's the one that hits me like emotionally the most.

And then I went to lunch with someone afterwards and he was like, yeah, you know, actually the really tough ones to, you know, drugs and alcohol is like later on in your life, usually you get involved in drugs and alcohol. But sex, money and food are the three things that you cannot avoid. Like you have to come into contact with all of those things. And so if you've got issues with either of those, which by the way, I have issues with all three, quite deep rooted issues with all three. Triple threat.

And it's, yes, it's really harrowing confronting those issues head on. And I'm trying to do it at the moment. And it's pretty hardcore. My mum says that about, because she's talked about this so she won't mind me talking about it, but she's talked about her addiction, which is overeating and food. And when she went into treatment, that was the one thing that she was saying. She was like, I don't understand how I can ever deal with this because I have to eat this. This is not good. But then also it's a weird thing with food with my mum because it's her greatest success.

It's like the success of her life is food. Addictions! Yeah, I'll deal with that in a minute. Let me just take care of my nan and then I'll deal with my addictions. I can't. Now let's talk about the Pope dying because I did watch Conclave at the weekend as well. What brilliant filmmaking, brilliant filmmaking. I have to say that the kind of setting of the Vatican

and the Cardinals and, you know, everything about this world lends itself beautifully to cinema when it comes to just the settings, the clothes, the aesthetic, the aesthetic, and also like the settings, the clothes. The aesthetic. The aesthetic. And also, like, the gossip and the drama. And I love this idea that art is imitating life, and that art came first, of course. Conclave came first.

Can you imagine if you're the team that made Conclave? You would be like, good timing. Right? You would. Before, I was like, what's that? Now I'm like, yes, I understand. Then the Pope dies on Easter Monday. And he was a good man. I've been reading a lot more about the work that he did. Pope Francis. You'd hope he was a good man, being the Pope and all that. Yes, but I felt like he was actually, he really did zone in on the right things, you know, advocating for sort of the socially vulnerable and, you know, he said no to Lamborghini

when they offered him one. I mean, he took it, but he didn't drive it. What a guy, what a guy. Yeah. I know, he was Pope Francis, he was a Latin American Pope with a reputation for simplicity and humility. So that's who we've lost. Stanley Tucci was good in Conclave, wasn't he? I like, I did like that movie. Yeah, he was fantastic. I was saying to mum, good to have him back on form. Like, I think

he got turned into it, not not by himself but by this country. It's a bit like a silly podcaster, like a cocktail maker. Well he's got that cooking show doesn't he? Well he had a brilliant show about food. Do you mean that? When he goes around Italy? Yeah like he goes around Italy and you know talks to people cooking food and stuff. It was cancelled by CNN because it was made by CNN and then BBC put it on. Mum and I were devastated. Brilliant, excellent television. I feel like it's hugely successful.

That's it. Me too. Me and my mum loved it. The production values were next level. He's so smart and he was so charming and brilliant as a broadcaster and just as a person going around talking to people and they really shone a light on like really different parts of food and the community in different places all around Italy. He goes all around Italy. And then I heard that they'd acted it and I was like, nice one. But it was good to see him be a deep, brilliant actor again. It reminded me that he was the child killer in The Lovely Bones.

Yes. And he was very scary in that. He's a bloody good actor. He was the child killer in The Lovely Bones. Yes. And he was very scary in that. He's a bloody good actor. So now that the Pope is dead, there's gonna be a new Pope. Yeah, what are we gonna do, Lily, to get there? How does one elect the new Pope?

Let me look at my fact sheet. Well, let me just remember Conclave, and that's how I'm going to tell what happens. So this is what Conclave is about. This is what we're in in life and this is what the film's about, which is just really fun. Let's not call the death of a man fun. Sorry. No, no, no. No, absolutely not.

I'm not saying the death of Pope Francis is anything but upsetting, but it's interesting to see this huge process unravel and have a film to accompany it, to really let you know what that means. Because of course in the film, you get to see kind of the, this place is like rife for drama and gossip and competitiveness and ruthlessness.

And I imagine that's what's gonna be going down in the Vatican over the next few weeks. And they're not allowed out, Lil. They're not allowed out until... Until they come to their decision. But the majority's got to be 72. Well, in the film it was 72, but in my research it was 90. Either way, it takes a while.

And this is where I'm confused. None of the policies of these cardinals changes whilst they're locked up, locked together inside the Vatican. So what are people basing these next, because it's like continuous rounds of voting, what are people basing their next round of voting on? Like he was a bit of an arsehole in the dinner line last night. I don't understand, like truly, where would your change come from unless it's about being locked in together

and having to form different personal relationships and that informing your vote? Do you know? Oh my. Yeah. Oh, no, I don't know. I've never been part of this process. But I imagine that, yeah, it's that there's a lot of, I imagine it's all that any of them are talking about.

And so they're all sort of like influencing each other. And they are getting to know each other better because they're all trapped somewhere together. And, you know, it's like Big Brother house, isn't it? It's like all of them. It's a bit though, all of your like bad behaviors, like, you know, come to the service. It's unavoidable, you know, can't hide the masks, the mask slips. Yeah. Should we talk about some of the candidates? I like this guy. This is Cardinal Peter Kodwo Apaya Turkson. He would be the first African Pope in 1500 years. So there was a black pope 1500 years ago. He leans conservative but he has opposed the criminalization of gay relationships in African countries. He was also a guitarist

in a funk band. Excuse me. Epic. He's my vote. So who would get your vote, Lil? What do you think a pope needs to embody? Just like progressiveness, right? Yeah, not somebody that's been clouded by allegations of covering up sexual abuse claims. Thank you very much. Oh, really? Is there one of those in the running? I'm sure there's quite a few of those. That comes up in Conclave. Does the job of Pope still hold a lot of power? Because if you look at the funeral of Pope Francis, 250,000, you know, people are there, I was gonna say Catholics, are there to show love and it's watched all around the world,

millions and millions of people are mourning the loss of this man. Is it the most powerful job in the world? Is that what we're trying to find someone for? The most powerful job in the world? I would say that, yes, the leader of Catholicism is pretty powerful and rich, you know, like all those rich apps are bloody lootly.

What, what, like wages? No, no, no, just like as an institution, you know, you know, the Catholic Church is very, very rich. No, I didn't really ever think about that. All of the property that they have, they own the Vatican. Yes, gosh. They've got an exceptional property portfolio. Own city, people fundraise for the church.

Like there's a lot of money in the church. Have you ever been religious, Lil? Well, I went to a Catholic school once, but I hadn't had my first communion, but one of my parents had lied on the form and said that I had. And I suddenly found myself, you know, at church having to like eat the body of Christ and drink the blood of Christ, which you're not meant to do unless you've had your first communion. And I could not sleep at night thinking that I was going to go to hell. And eventually I went to my mom and I said, mom, I'm going to go to hell because I'm eating the body of Christ and drinking the blood

of Christ. And she said, well, if you feel that guilty about it, you're definitely Catholic. Yeah, good. Very true, Alison. But you still don't identify that way today? No, I'm not a religious person. And in the past would have said that I'm not necessarily a spiritual person either, but I do think that my recovery journey has sort of forced my hand somewhat in that I've had to hand myself over to a higher power or sort of believe that there is a power greater than myself that is sort of in control and has a plan for me and therefore everybody else. And so I do subscribe to some sort of spirituality, trust in the universe for sure. Yeah, I think when I was in Antigua filming with the BBC show with Mum, when I went up into the mountains to spend the day with the Rastas and actually be part of their

religious ceremony, their Nyabingi drumming ceremony, which is where I learnt that, do good, do good. And I was like, what is life? And they were like, just do good. That's a good one for me right now, actually. And well, I just really, I really like seeing the different ways that people experience a higher power around the world. I find it really uplifting and enlightening, and it's definitely something I need to get back to. Maybe I need to go see the Rastas in Antigua. That would really...

Maybe you do. Speaking of higher powers, Lorde has risen. We are of course talking about Lorde because she is totally back and has put out her new single. It's a bit brilliant actually. On first listen, I was like, a bit boring, but I'm actually now obsessed. I love the song and I love her. I've always loved her. I know that you don't feel the same way. You are unmoved by Lorde but I really like her. I really respect her. I think she's been this sort of powerhouse since she was so young.

I'm going to agree with you. Okay. That's nice. Yeah, this video has really changed how I feel about her. I was like, I feel like she's a bit of a bad man. Yeah. And dare I say it raw. Yeah. I was like, Oh, okay. Um, do you think it's helped? Obviously it's helped coming back with a bit of Charlie's energy next to her. Like association is quite powerful in a music comeback, I think. Yeah.

And that has obviously helped a little bit, but I like what she's up to. But tell me this, is this a video or a visualizer that we're looking at, this Madison Square Garden? Well, I've heard of her driving around on the bike. Yeah. And then ending up at Washington Square Park. Mm, is that like, because obviously it looks quite lo-fi.

I don't know that we have to categorize it. It's just short form video content, isn't it? No, it's just that, don't say that to me. See, this is what I mean. See, this is what I mean. The fact that you just said that, it's like, I miss the good old fashioned music video, Lil. I hear you, but there isn't,

people don't wanna spend money on music videos anymore. I know. Because people don't watch them. Attention span isn't long enough. I know, it's interesting, isn't it, though? It's like thinking about how pop stars used to come out of the gate. Yeah.

Like, those videos were like, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr who is this creature, what is happening. But I do feel like what Lorde's done excited me and that's not easy with the music industry today. So that's fun. Yeah, I just really like her. I really like the lyrics in the song. I think she's so good at sort of like painting a picture and capturing a moment in time. I just love her.

I think she's very cool. Yes. She was also out at the Knicks game this weekend, which is, you know, she's out and about. She's doing promo in Lord's way, in the Lord's way. She's doing the Lord's work. She's doing the Lord's work. Do you think she'll do very well this summer?

Do you think it will be her summer, the summer of Lord? But yeah, potentially. That would be nice. I like when Charlie played the other day and she did that screen of all the different people that she thought should have their summer this year. I thought it was really nice. It was like, bigging up the fact that she totally owned last summer. And then like, passing the baton.

Who were the other people? The people on the list are, er, I can't remember them all. There was Haim, Pink Pantheress, and Addison Rae. I don't Pantheress, and Addison Rae. I don't really know much about Addison Rae. Me neither, I was gonna try and pretend. I don't think it's for our age group.

And the same would go with like Tate McCray, although my kids say that they don't, they're not really, they don't think of her as a singer, they think of her as a dancer. Let's listen to Char Charlie talk about whether, talk about, as Lilly said, her complicated feelings about giving up or retaining her brat summer status. Yesterday I made this TikTok about summer again,

question mark, and I was kind of joking, but also maybe serious, I don't know. But it got me thinking about how it's really hard to let go of brat and let go of this thing that is so inherently me and become my entire life, and I started thinking about culture and how when you get a level of success, you can kind of become oversaturated

and then people want you to disappear, which I understand, and I'm actually sort of a believer in that because I think it allows artists to retain their cool when they're like, so in everyone's faces and then they vanish. But I'm also interested in the tension of staying too long. I find that quite fascinating and what that does. But yeah, it's like, obviously it's hard to just be like,

okay, it's over now. Like I kind of want it to go on and on and on because it is who I am. It's like I've been thinking about a brat long before the record came out. I've been sat there on my own for two years prior thinking about how I'm going to communicate this record to the world, not just the music,

but the whole visual identity of the album. And it's hard to like let something like that go. Very interesting to dissect it though. Thank you, Charlie, for dissecting it like that. You do forget that she would have lived with it for two years before she'd even put it out. Yeah. It's hard to let go of a moment.

But if she did stick around till this summer going, Brat Summer, Brat Summer, it would kill original Brat Summer. So this is why you have to let it go and step away from it, right? I guess so. I don't want to tell Charli XCX what to do, but I feel like that's in life.

If you try and hold onto things, they don't feel like they were the first time or something. Yeah, I don't know. I think maybe she might be like overthinking it somewhat. Just like, you know, enjoy it while it lasts, no? Yes. Yes, I say pass the baton on. I say let someone else have...

The thing is that you can't decide on that. I don't see why the two things can't exist at the same time. The summer doesn't have to belong to one person. No, that's a bit of a myth. It's sort of a, you know, the kind of thing that journalists write in an article about someone, isn't it? That's like, the summer belonged to her. But that's why I quite liked it, I suppose, because I don't feel like that's happened

in a really long time, not since Britpop. No. But it did feel like that kind of old school feeling of like just one thing has excited everyone. This one thing has captured people's attention in that very kind of 90s, noughties way. I found that really exciting about it. Oh, I didn't do my Lord joke. What was your Lord joke? La la mersey now What was your Lord joke? Lada Merisina. Is that a joke?

Okay, no. Ha ha ha ha. I guess not. I guess not, Lily. I guess not. We did used to say that quite a lot. Lada Merisina. Lada Merisina. Yes. Okay, it's just good old Lord. Let's have a break then.

What life advice would you like to pass on to your children? Remember that failure is not a sign of defeat, but an opportunity to learn and grow. What challenges would you like to prepare them for? Death is part of life and we need to talk more about it. Dear Daughter is a podcast from the BBC World Service, sharing words of wisdom from parents all over the world. This is who we are, this is what we do. Dear Daughter, listen now wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Hello, welcome back to Miss Me. We've just come back from the break, talked about the Pope, we've talked about...

What else did we talk about? Did we just talk about the Pope and Charli XCX? Wow, what a show. What a lineup. Okay, so we're going to talk about childcare because it seems like it's a bloody minefield out there and I am not a parent and all I know is stories from what people have told me and I'm sure you'll have a very different experience of it being all the way over there and it all being along for a very long time ago.

So you wouldn't have been in America when you were dealing with childcare, you would have been in this country. What do you mean? I still have two children, I'm dealing with childcare today. Yeah, but they don't like have babies, they don't need to go to nursery. would have been in this country. What do you mean? I still have two children. I'm dealing with childcare today. Yeah, but they don't like have baby. They don't need to go to nursery. And they don't need to go to nursery.

But like if I'm going out in the evening, someone needs to look after them. Yeah. That's still childcare. Yeah, I guess it is. Yeah. Someone needs to pick them up from school. Yeah, but isn't Alison there doing that?

No, my mother is not here. She's in England working. But interesting actually that you bring that up because you were talking about the childcare situation in England and then through to me over here. And I am fascinated by how we do childcare or even just child rearing. I actually was having a conversation with about this with somebody at lunch the other day and they were talking about what the ideal age is to have a kid right and they were they didn't actually specify you know whether it being a woman or a man but you know I had mine my first child I think when I was 25. And, you know, you don't really know who you are yet when you're 25 years old, right? You haven't quite figured out who

you are in, in your entire I mean, I guess we're on a lifelong journey of figuring out who we are. But you definitely, you know, there's a lot there's a lot more to come by the time that you're 25. And then, you know, you have a kid, say you have a kid at 25, you'd certainly probably by the time that you're 25 won't have established yourself in your chosen career, you know, particularly, you might be like on the first or second rung of the ladder, but you haven't got there yet. Then you have a kid, and by the time you want to leave your kid at home or send it to school or even not, you might want to stay at home until it's 18. But it's really hard to re-enter the workplace at any of those ages after having a child. Anyway, my point really is

that in developing countries, and not all of them, I don't want to generalise, but it does seem to be a slightly better system, which is that you know, the mother and the father, they have this child together, and then almost immediately they go back to work and the child is raised by the you know elders of the family the grandmother yeah the aunties and the uncles the community you know it takes a village buddy buddy but and and I just think that that makes so much more sense that happened with us don't you think of it I mean I was definitely me I went to live with Nanny for like three years or something I did not go to live with Nanny for like three years or something.

I did not go and live with my grandparents. Yeah, but you were raised by like, mom as well and like other aunties and very, we were very much like shipped around the community of people around us. Yeah, I guess so. But it's not, it's not easy in today's world to, you know, we've had this conversation before to be all things at once. And it's made a lot harder by the cost of childcare. Yes, let's get into it. So when I was talking to Kelly, who works with my mum, she was saying that nearly half of her income goes on childcare. And Kelly thinks she spends around 20K a year.

Which is actually like just catch 22ing her because she needs to work to afford the childcare. But she needs childcare because she's at work and this is just like the story we hear so much. What we know as a fact is that the UK is one of the most expensive countries in the world for childcare. In the world, Lily.

It's an outrage. Little old UK. And children under five just aren't subsidized by the government in the way that it is in Europe. And I don't understand why. I think wouldn't things work better? Not that I'm trying to like solve this, but like it is an idea. Couldn't we just give the, couldn't we just subsidise everyone and then like the appropriate people

be like taxed? You mean in a higher earning bracket? Yes, that's what I mean by appropriate people, yes. The higher earning motherfuckers. It's just sad, isn't it? I mean, I guess like there's a reason that the, you know, birthing rate is going down or whatever it is, population rate, because it's just like having children is like unaffordable.

Yeah, listen, now school places are being cut because schools are so understaffed and no one can afford to have kids. They also say Brexit is a factor, nice one. High housing costs and everyone leaving cities to go to the countryside because of the pandemic, after the pandemic. It feels like all the infrastructures of the country are like totally falling apart and also weren't even built very well anyway. Yeah. Like how long has it been this bad? Because it wasn't like this when we were kids. We did, we've talked about the fact that we went to a play center and stuff and that stuff was really affordable and really saved our parents lives. I actually did go to a private nursery on Labrador Grove at the

top by Notting Hill. Beautiful place, but my nan paid. Now you're now you're paying her back by looking after her in her old age. My god, you're so right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Full circle moment. What do I, what was your question? How would you solve childcare in this country? I would lower the retirement age so that it forces grand, you know, grandparents to out of the workplace so that they can help their younger children look after their grandchildren. I think that that's a really great thing to do in retirement though. Like, take over the grandkids for a bit. Like 45.

New retirement age. So what, us in five years? Me in four, you in five. Better get saving. Better get our pensions sorted. I do not have a pension as we have discussed. Really that surprises me. But you do, you don't have that in place. Come on. I will do that. It's on my list. It's on my list. We're in that really horrible, annoying week where I'm two years older than you and I hate it. I hear you, dog. It's right there, Innie Nine. Well, I'm excited for you to come to London.

I'm excited for you to twirl around and... Oh, I'm 40 tomorrow. Yes, you are. And you can do this and then I'll see you after. Give you a big hug. I'll get out of your house first, let you settle in, then I'll come back and say hi. Go get out of my house.

Please actually give me back my keys. All right, I love you, Lil, I'll talk to you. I'll see you when you get here. I'll see you in London. And then I'll see you for Listen Bitch. The theme is AI. AI. Can't wait. Under, under, mama AI, AI, can't wait.

Underlay, underlay, mama, AI, AI, uh oh. Remember all the things AI used to mean. It just used to mean a Nellie song. No, that was EI, I was just doing a joke. No, Nellie used to be like AI, oh no, one of them. No, it was EI, EI, EI, uh oh. Okay, we'll see you on Monday for AI, for Listen Bitch. Bye.

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