Miss Me? - Midsommar in Hackney

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens celebrate Dua & Callum’s love story, fatherhood and they go deep on Myles Smith’s fame.Producer: Natalie JamiesonTechnical Producer: Oliver Geraghty and Jasper Fell-Clark Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Video Editor: Danny PapeProduction Coordinator: Tom JacksonExecutive Producers: Ellie Clifford & Dino SofosMiss Me? is a Persephonica show Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

People don't really go to festivals to camp. They literally do do that. People enjoy camping. That's mental that you don't think that. But then you had indie kicking fully and it was like Bombay Bicycle Club and the Maccabees and all the Subways. The Subways. The Yeah, Yeah, Yeah's. Oh, stop it.

I feel nostalgic now. I want to be in 2006 again. Like the cast and director just read that story and went, cast him immediately. Cast him as Bond. If we want people in the cinema. Make Kalentana Bond immediately. Do you know what I mean? He's out here.

Seducing Doolieper. Oh, I think I finished that chapter two. Feels like one on the same page. He says, come on, George. Loosen up. Dust off those gossamer wings and fly yourself to the moon of your choice. So is he referencing his own song? Yes, he is.

Has he written any of his own songs, Frank Sinatra? Can we not start trying to take Frank Sinatra down? Our Miss Me Lovelies, welcome to, welcome to brand new Miss Me, new vibes. We have adverts now. We're no longer with the BBC. We're freedom fighters. out in the world, taking a slice of this cake. Slag.

Is that really? Is that how you want to start? Miss me, Slag. Miss me, Slags. Yeah, yeah. Welcome to Miss Me, everyone. Welcome to Summer. Jesus Christ, and P.

Welcome to Summer. Last week was Summer Solstice. I know that because I was on a bike ride. I love long days. Thinking, hmm, yeah, we still run this area. We still own this. Me and Garford on the bikes. And then we went past a party of 30 people in flower crowns dancing in the park.

And I was like, oh, okay, it's summer solstice. And these people are here to celebrate it. Wait, wait. Whoa. Wait, hold on. Like in that film, midsummer. Like middle class, the guardian version of midsummer. Yeah.

That's like nearly my worst nightmare. It was like midsummer. You walked into midsummer in Hackney. Yeah, exactly. What is that festival called? the like kind of posh one. Oh, Wilderness. It was Wilderness meets Mid-Summer.

Wilderness has got some vibes, though. Listen, I've made money at Wilderness. You've made money at Wilderness. I saw orchestral versions of my favourite film themes at Wilderness. That's so much classier than what me and mum did. We talked about cheese. Do you think that the festivals that you choose to go to have now become another way of saying,

like who you are. Yeah, yeah, of course. Also, I've grown to realize that like just going to a festival in itself is a statement. There's loads of people who don't even like camping. Obviously. I fucking hate camping. I love camping. People don't really go to festivals to camp. They literally do do that. And if I feel like it's a buy product, yeah, byproduct of just wanting to be there. It's not like, I can't wait to camp. It's like, no, no, I want to go. No, Keith's people enjoy camping. That's mental that you don't think that. It just can't be true. Have you literally never camped at a festival before? I used to fucking love. Love it.

At a festival. Yes. No, that would be the worst place to camp. I remember going to Bena Kassim Festival when I was a kid and I slept like just outside. I didn't even have a tent. I just slept on the floor. That's different, son of God. Is that different?

Yeah. I feel like it's worse. I was just going to throw it out there. I'm just remembering tents and people have spilled their drinks and then like it's rained and there's mud and then you still have to get in that fucker and go to sleep. Yeah, it's a right of passage. Yeah, well, I'm done with those. I got some wild stories from, I did three years at festivals before things really went off for us, wild times. In fact, even at Best of All, which is arguably my favourite gig ever, when we were all dressed as animals,

because there used to be themes at Best of All. We performed on the Sunday and we arrived on the Friday. I need I say any more. Did you stay up every day until said performance? I was absolutely off my face when we performed. And what animal were you dressed as? I can't remember. I think a red panda maybe. Sure.

I'm fuck not. I wasn't like actually off my face that day, but I had been. It's been a wonderful week actually. Like this summer just bus open into all of our lives. To the point where I'm getting bitten by mosquitoes in my own yard. Really? Like in Sri Lanka, Jordan, they love me up. Whoa.

Completely bitten to shit. So how's your week, Vind, darling? Yeah, I've had a good week. I hung out with Lola Young. Lil's been hanging out with her a bit. Lola performed at Brixton. She was really good. She's a very good performer.

It kind of took me her back, actually. I thought she'd be good, but I was like, well... Good for her. And what does summer solstice really mean? It really means that the first half of the year is done. And for that, I say thank fucking God, because I have had the hardest six months ever. Oh, my God.

It can't be harder than the one before, wait. Do you know what? That's what I keep saying to myself. This can't be worse than the sofa, but it's been up there. And I've been in very fight or flight, I realized for six months, bracing for impact, bracing for bad news, more bad news. And I'm just like, I'm not fucking doing that anymore.

So this is like, I feel like the opening for everyone of what the next six months of the year can be for you. And also it will be a full moon in a week. So you have to think about what energy you want to fill this last moon up with. I think it's actually a really poignant time of the year. And shit is crazy hot. I don't think London's ever been 30. It literally has. It was 40 degrees.

It was 40 degrees about two years ago. Which, by the way, I loved. I was cycling through London at that temperature. Everyone was there like, oh my God, I'm going to cry. I'm going to. It's like, come on guys, man. There's one up from us destroying the planet's fucking ecosystem. It's getting some heat in our lives, you know what I mean?

It's so true. Let's talk politics. Let's just be two girls gabbing about politics at lunch. Big week. Starmer's out. hate when someone's got to come out and resign on that fucking street and look at the world and everyone's looking at you, especially if your legacy is somewhat flawed, I just think it must be a very hard thing to do and he looked like it was.

Yes. Poor old Starmie. I don't like him, Stammer, so. Yeah. How do you feel about his legacy and what he's leaving? Pretty awful. I think he's dragged what was formerly a left-wing party into the, at most centre-left, maybe center, maybe even centre, right?

Yes, yes, definitely leaning. the ratio is changing. I can't say it's entirely his fault, but it's not like, I think he made like one kind of, like he had one kind of backbone move, which was around Iran. Right. But then he just kind of like floundered on that anyway.

I don't know, man, the whole thing, I don't know. For me, there's the political thing. There's like, I'm not, I'm literally not educated or equipped enough to be able to give like a full breakdown of the future of Labor. I have friends who love Labor still somehow. And they think that, you know, Andy Burnham is a really good,

shift and change. Obviously, I'm more on the green side of things because green of dragging people back to the left, which I enjoy. But on a personal level, listen, just the fact, I know he's got to play the game or whatever, but I said it before on this. It's just him allowing for like Trump and that just to talk shit about Sadie Khan just to his face. That's feeling it's so crazy. You think that's what's going on? No, no, no, no. He did that. Trump said to Keats Thomas' face, that Sadie Khan had introduced Sharia law to London. I just can't get over that. I can't get over how insane that is.

Can you imagine if someone just like, like that is honestly, it's like the most anti-fact? Yeah, but I think we're in a lawless fucking place right now. Yes, we are, but I'm just saying it like, he couldn't even have the backbone to be like, you're lying. Yes, well, I think,

but I think a lot of people believe that Burnham has a backbone a lot sturdier than Stammers. You know, it'd be quite interesting to have sort of every man in the fucking hollum. I think that would be quite an interesting dismantling of what we've all known to be a particular kind of person in those rooms. It's nice to have someone Northern. Well, quite. He's got charisma, I think.

Like, where are the viby politicians? I would say that Burnham is a lot viperer than what we've been dealing with recently. Mamdani is vibe. You can say that. He is a vibe motherfucker. He's a vibe, yeah. Yeah, he's a vibe. Why can't we have a vibe?

Zach Polanski. Yes, that's your one. I know you love Pananski. Listen, people are telling me the Greens can't, I don't know what the, I don't know what the ins and outside, but look, I just, I love that movement. I love what they stand for. They just seem to be more prepared to go against the grain and actually make changes that will actually improve people's lives, stand up for the vulnerable people in the community. Like, I just rate that, sorry, that's just my stance. I think it's interesting that you say that you're, you don't feel qualified to talk about politics. I feel like you are, it's just your opinion and you're quite open about the way you feel about things all the time. I really liked what you wrote on Father's Day, Jordan. That really touched me.

Thanks. I was with the family. We all read it. What? Really? Together? Yeah. I was with Phoebe and Garf and Simon.

That's really cute. We all read it. And Phoebe was like, oh, Jordan. Would you tell people, like, for the people that don't follow your on Instagram, didn't read it, what are your thoughts that you wanted to kind of put out on Father's Day? Some of the, I think my opinions that have got the most traction of late have been me, being unapologetically loving about women because that's what I believe and that's how I feel and I think there's like not enough of that from men. And I think because it's like such a hot,

like a touchdown topic and people are very sensitive. Ironically, many of the men who decry that emotions are a weakness. They seem very sensitive when I am unapologetic about women. So what, you wanted to feel like you were standing by men. And no, no, it wasn't for men. It's just, I also feel that. You know, I've also, this is the irony is it's like I haven't, whenever I talk about my other views, it's not in spite of anything. They both of those coexist. I really want a much more compassionate and empathetic approach to the experience of women in my community. And I also feel that I want to platform and show love and respect to, many of the men that operate and it help my community function. And the irony, the paradox we live in as men are the loudest men, the ones who get the most coverage, probably do the least in community. Meanwhile, you have many, many beautiful fathers, beautiful stepfathers.

And then I make sure in the piece to talk about fatherhood as a concept outside of biology. It's not just whether or not you have a literal child. It's like, I want to be a person where if I see any child, any child, I feel like that child is my responsibility to a certain extent. Not more so than the parent, but like a woman in a cafe just gave me her baby while she was eating breakfast before. What? Yeah. I don't know what vibe I give off, but she just like gave me her baby. Caretaker. I love that because I love babies. I love kids. I want to disseminate this idea that, you know, we're all living in these separate hyper-individual corners. But that's the modern problem of polarization, right? It's like, of course, that's why we

talked about two truths and that's why it's, you don't even have to explain it. I don't think. I think you're just talking about two different things that you think believe in, stand, by trust. Yes. And also, can I just say as well, this is actually a really good time to say, because I know we have a lot of female listeners, that another reason I wanted to say it is because in this time when I have been way more vocal, I mean, I've always been vocal, but more, like, unapologetically vocal about, like, aligning myself with, like, women's issues and whatever else, I have loads of guys who are following me and messaging me in my DMs. And, like, I just want it to be clear that it's not, it really isn't as split.

It can seem that way online, obviously, but actually the less apologetic I've been, the more actual support and engagement I've had from men. So I know that these men are out there, and I know that they back it. Sometimes it, like, takes a little minute or whatever. And I want to show them love. And then also, like I say in the piece, I talk about the guys who come around to my yard to help me with building stuff. And the Rizzle Kicksong, Living the Dream, that's out at the moment,

that Live in the Dream is based off of this guy, Ethan, who would come around and help. I want to just give them love. Like, you know, I don't want to take, if we're granted, that these guys can come over and, like, help me, like, build walls and fix pipes and... Yeah, but as you know, I have a... We have a family friend who's a builder called Tom Matty, who loves Miss Me, and I don't think we've ever said hi, Tom Matty.

Let's big him up. Let's big him up right now. Tom, bloody Matty. Has he come and literally say... He's making sure everything's ticking along, do that I mean? We literally call him Fixie. And it's just like... What a legend.

Tom Matty lives in the solution. He comes around, he's like, I build many of my flats with him and anything. He's like, yeah, how do you want to do that? Or like, he's just got this really lovely way of thinking and he makes you feel very safe and looked after and then you blink and suddenly my balcony's been built and you're like, whoa! Yes, I love that. We need to give the props. Shout out Fixie.

That's why I fancy men that like work with their hands and like build things because I think maybe there is something in it that's like, like Barbara Streisand says in her book when she meets her husband, Jim Brolin, in her 50s, early 50s. She says, I was ashamed to admit that there was a hole, because her father dies when she's 18 months old, that there was a hole that he could fill. I was ashamed to say, actually, a man came into my life, and he has filled a bit of the hole that my father's death left

and the shadow of my father's death. So I'm not too proud to say that when Tom Maty Fix is something I feel very held and very looked off. And so maybe there is something there for you as well when you're seeing men. Of course there are female builders. Actually, my friend worked with a great one recently. But this idea that a man can come to your house makes build something for you. Surely that makes you feel a little bit taken care of.

I say that. That's what I say in the poem. I say they're my building fathers. I feel like the whole act is paternal. And also, like you say, of course, there's not to dismiss the idea. There's loads of women who will build. I mean, my mum is really good with DIY. Also, Hannah, the green candidate in Manchester, she is a plumber.

Yeah, yeah. So, like, it's not to beat, but obviously historically, for whatever reason, those kind of roles have been mostly upheld by men, garages, et cetera, mechanics. And I just don't want, I don't want to not appreciate the work they do to keep, you know, that's just the world ticking along. Like, I think it's dope. And I think a lot of them are really fucking great people. And we don't hear from them because they just want.

working. Exactly. They don't have time to bang on about the work they're doing on a podcast. They're actually doing the work. Yeah, they're just, they're doing it. And then you just got, and you have to go to them. Like, you know, you have to like, so yeah, that was just my moments of appreciation and gratitude because I really feel it.

I really believe it. And also, I think that is the answer. Stepping forward, I think it's a call to action for many men like myself to just inhabit a paternal energy. It doesn't matter if you're, if you're actually having a child or not. Well, like, even when I'm speaking to Monty, when he's talking about gardening and that, he's like, you're stepping into a system and you're fulfilling a role of care. If you're part, if you're actually providing care, you're part of that ecosystem, you know. Oh, God, I love him.

That's so well put, Monty. You, you are going to be a wonderful father. Thanks. You really are. I'd like you to be my father. I would love that. You'd like to what? To be your father.

I'd like you to be my father. Maybe I should be your father. Do you just say that? I would like that. You are doing a great job raising me every week on this fucking podcast. No, it was quite interesting because I now have two dads, right? So in life, don't worry about what you think you don't have because I never had a dad. I was the kid whose dad wasn't there.

And I was so jealous of people and I still get it, you know. It's a very big shadow part of me. If a friend of mine goes, why don't you give it to daddy and he'll get it for you. I get really like triggered. But I really shouldn't anymore because I now have two fathers, my beautiful stepdad Garfield and my father, Robin. And I was like, fuck, look at life. I got two people to call now.

One was in the office, gave him a hug. And then I text my dad in Scotland. I was like, look at that. You never know. But of course, Phoebe's dad has passed. My mum's brother, Sean, died when he was 27 a long, long time ago. But we did a prayer for Sean. We did a prayer for Garfield's dad.

It was just great. It was just beautiful. Garth's great example of stepping into that kind of paternal energy. In it. Do you know what? He's raised so many of us, like generationally. And now he's doing the next generation. He took Roland.

It was Phoebe's son, Roland's 13th birthday, a teenager, to usher him into teenage land. Garfield took him to gorillas at Tottenham. And I was just like, Godf, look at you. raising the whole next round. Yeah, man. And it was quite interesting seeing a 13-year-old kid after their first, like, gig experience.

He was quite, like, revved up. I was like, yeah, I remember that. Really? I remember that. Smashing pumpkins when I was 12. I was like... Is it? Yeah, yeah, that was my opening.

What was your first gig? My mum took me to festivals when I was really young, so I can't really remember. You blatantly went wo-mad. I do remember when I was a kid, like, I remember really loving Lamar when he first came out. from Fame Academy. That was not, you don't need to say from Fame Academy.

No, but I just remember because I just thought, I remember he played at the, at the, my auntie works at the Brighton Dome. And so I just moved to Brighton, I think, and he played that. That's all this year-Rour school at the Dome. I think like, I was just trying to black tickets to the Dome, basically. Okay. So Dizzy, it was either Dizzy or Lamar. Well, you decide who you want to be.

I think they're both cool. Lamar was lovely guy, but if there's any. Absolute banger. It's not. Absolute banger. Literally, I've been jordan's actually legitimately a banger. Stop it. Been a long time since you said you miss me.

What that I don't did to give me. Oh my God. Step back. Don't chat. Kiss it. I was on. 50. 50.

Are you joking? A T-4. Pop world special behind the scenes on that video. And also, what's my other Lamar history? Oh yeah. We did a stupid thing on Popwell called Lamar from afar. And people still shouted at me. Really?

A lot from afar. I think it's the best. What gigs changed my life? I don't know. My cousin Eddie was in a band called Larrak in Love. Yeah, you told me recently. Oh my God, I can't fucking believe that. And when I saw him live, I was like, oh, my way was so cool.

He used to wear wellies. So indie. On stage. Yeah, because I was a teenager in peak indie, bro. It was 2006. It was like... Yeah, I get it. The Paddingtons.

What? The Paddingtons. What are Paddingtons? Oh, it was a band around this. time. They were called the Paddingtons. I've heard of them in my life. And yes, they did. I think they did all wear duffel jackets, duffel coats. That's, Brian, blown my mind. But yes, around that time, Brian had a hip-hop festival.

UK hip-hop was in a cool place like Task Force and Jester Pee. But then you had indie kicking fully and it was like Bombay Bicycle Club and the Maccabees and what's like, Tudor Cinema Club. Fucking, there's all these clubs. Yeah. All the Subways, the, the, the, the Yeah, yeah, yeah's. Yeah, man. It was just a, it was just a, It was like an absolute onslaught. And then you obviously had our boy, block party, Kelly, you know, like,

it was just a dope. Oh, stop it. I feel nostalgic now. I want to be in 2006 again. I know, it was such a crazy time. And then Grime tried to fuse with Indy and do a thing called Grindy. Leithel Bizzle did a song of the gallows.

Lethal Bizzle and Gallows. Jesus Christ. Yeah, it was crazy. Don't forget that ever. Yeah, yeah. God, everything was so free and creative, wasn't it? Fucking hell.

Indie was the shit. Jamie T. Jamie T. Shout out Jamie, man. He was a big inspo for me. Huge inspiration for me. I wanted to talk about a Miles Smith video that was uploaded last week. I actually, I've met Miles a few times.

I really like Miles. Having a big moment, isn't he? If you don't know, like me, what Miles Smith's big huge hit was, because people know this all they might not know, it's him. I'll start gazing. I don't break it. Love me to my palms. Yeah.

So a song that is literally taken over the world. It took over the world. It's a massive, ginormous international smash hit. He's gone from leaving university and playing a few shows with his guitar to being like a massive folk singer and he's toured the world of Ed. But he's put up a video

and this video was sent to me actually by a Labour MP which is, you know, I'm not sure if they'll be so into my views on Labor. Yeah, we'll cut that labour stuff now. No, I won't cut it. No, I won't cut it. No, I say it with chest. And it's not about her specifically. we were talking about Kirstlamma.

There's many Labour MPs that I respect, genuinely. I just think the party. We were talking about a general party dysfunction. And I think she would agree, too honest. But anyway, she sent me this. And it was in reference to the fact that I had spoken, I think she's saying that I'd spoken before about navigating life in the spotlight.

So this is interesting because, yes, I have recently been more open about how difficult and how, you know, I'll say, for example, if I was to have a child who was looking as if they were, heading into some kind of notoriety at 1819, I would actively discourage them from doing it. Right. You'd be like, no, no, no, no, no. Well, no, I wouldn't force them away from something, but I would, you know, my role and my duty, I would be like, listen, I've actually been in that space and most of the perks are external and material, which can be great, but I'm saying you can

still get that later. You can still achieve that later on in life. This is the incredible thing about fame. Since it was since it was since it's invention from I guess notoriety to being a celebrity let's say 50 60 years ago it doesn't matter how many people say being famous is not what you think it is it's actually this that people will still always want to be famous yeah yeah yeah but they need to look they need to I think what's it Jim Carrey you said I wish everybody in the world could become famous so they can realize that there's nothing there you know yes but like with miles he's basically it's it's quite sad to watch actually actually he's just because, you know, he's a young man.

He is basically saying that like he's not been as present on socials and he's not being like as enthusiastic about new music, etc. And he's basically saying that he's had a really, really, really difficult time juggling his actual normal everyday life and the expectations placed on him as a pop star, which is a hard relate. A hard relate. And you know what?

I feel even more pain for him because I remember in my early 20s, there was a couple of people, It was about three people who were very close to me who died during, like, in and around the second album being made for Rizzle kicks. And I never had to be on socials. Like, Instagram was just being invented then. So I could, even though it tore me apart and I dealt with it in very bad ways, obviously I took loads of drugs. And I didn't have the emotional intelligence to be able to understand how to act at that time. But this is a whole other level where, like, Miles is essentially being scrutinized for his decision to look after him.

or try and find balance in his personal life. And that is a new and I think unforgiving and also just completely unrealistic expectation of people in the public eye, or young entertainers and artists. He's an artist, you know what I mean? It's not just, you know, we do have another branch of influencer, celebrity, whatever else,

people who are known for their life. This is somebody who's also, you know, they're writing music. They're not necessarily like, I want to be famous. They're like, I want to make great songs. Sure. Sure, sure, sure. But we know that this happens. If you want to write songs and you want them to do well, attention will be on you. And this is, you know, this has happened in many different ways across the years. In 1990, George Michael is George Michael. He's left Wham. He's turned into the biggest solo superstar in the

fucking world. And he is drowning. Jorowdy. I've watched many George Michael documentaries and watch the drowning from many different angles. And what's interesting is Frank Sinatra, who really know, You know, old blue eyes. At this point he's been famous since he was like 23 and he would have been about 80. And he writes a kind of open letter to George Michael. And I think this can be good for you and Miles. Let's get this from Frank Sinatra. He says, come on George, loosen up.

Swing, man. Dust off those Gossamir wings and fly yourself to the moon of your choice. So is he referencing his own song? Yes, he is. It's very frank. Sonatathe sounds like a twat. He, what? He's being, he's actually...

Are you mad? If I was... It's really wise, what he said. If I felt like I was being torn apart by like a level of scrutiny and expectation that was literally outside of my control and unrealistic for a human to have to engage with. And Frank Sinatra writes me a message saying loosen up and then references his own song. No, I think it's really good. I think what he's saying is have the breakdown.

Of course. It's a big old... Lozen up. There's more of this letter. Has he written any of his own songs, Frank Sinatra? Can we not start trying to take Frank Sinatra? Frank Sinatra down. No, just because I think it sounds, he sounds like somebody who's, whose focus is on, is on celebrity.

Well, I know his later music, the beats were Quincy, but I don't know who wrote his lyrics. Did he write my way? I fucking hope so. Hold on. Let me just, let me just, if he wrote, because if he's, if he's just a crooner, then. He's not just a crooner, no. No, he literally has an incredible voice, right? Yeah, but crooner is a bit reductive for Frank Sinatra.

I thought he invented that. Am I going mad in? Hold on. Let me, let me, let me just. Did Frank Sinatra write my way? Okay, Franksand permanent of interpreting songs. So look, my point is this, right?

Frank Sinatra is known for utilizing his instrument, right? Like being his voice, incredible voice, generational, wonderful performer, wonderful entertainer, right? But that's my... You don't think he's pouring his heart out. No, my point is, I felt that, even in my much, much, much more diluted version of Frank Sinatra speaking to George Michael,

I became very aware that I, as a pop star, was not the same as other pop stars whose job was to be a pop star. You would have interviewed these people. If you're not in the studio writing the songs or if you're not navigating the world of creativity because you're trying to escape something. You're literally trying to get out of poverty

or social isolation or like or feeling like a pariah. Like that's why people, a lot of the reason why people create, right? So it would fucking piss me off for somebody who basically just like sings on stage, right? Like other people's songs to tell me to loosen up if George Michael, by the way, is also battling sexuality and also going solo from previously being in like a huge expectancy machine. Like, I don't know, man.

I don't know how George Michael responded to that. But like, if I got that, I would literally be like, dude. You tell Frex Snatchez to do one. The way you responded to it is funny because that's how Simon Cow responded to pop stars in like this documentary about like, you know what it's like to be famous. So if you can't deal with it, then basically if you can't stand there, heat out of the kitchen. It's not as simple as if you can't stand the heat out of the kitchen.

I have this conversation with my mum. She got famous in her 50s, so she's very loose and swing and hey and like gratitude. And I'm all fucked up from it because I've had to deal with it a lot longer. Yes, but that's my point. That's my point. So imagine if Frank Sinatra wreck your fucking thing and where they keeps loosen up before enjoy your life. But that is really important because it ain't fucking changing.

So get on with how you're going to keep responding to this. I think it will change if people are allowed to actually. be honest about the implications that it has on them. Of course. If, like, he has to be honest, which I respect, is vulnerable. You can tell on how he's talking that he feels nervous by even making the video because we are told, as you were told, you can't complain about that because you're getting something that other people want.

So you can't, so shut the fuck up. It's basically shut up and dribble. Do you know what I mean? Well, it's also Pandora's box has been open, bro. So just like, you have to decide how you respond to it. If in three years, he's still like, oh, this is such a drag. It's like, well, you're not doing, you're not in the right thing. But this is the first gen.

This is like the second generation of artists who are expected to exist in invisibility. Like everything prior to this, all the legendary musicians, artists, singers, whether you like them or not, they didn't have to sign up to being constantly scrutinized publicly unless they were superstars. No, they didn't. George Michael would have been scrutinized. Because he was, yeah, because he was pushed into pop stardom. I don't think George Michael started writing music because he wanted to be a pop star. I think he wrote music because he loved music.

Okay. Fair point. Mackenzie asked me the other day, like, how I'd feel if I wasn't on social media because I use it to my advantage so often. And I say to him, I still... Good question, Mackenzie. I still think that I would feel comfortable because I would want to write books. Like prior to that, if you wrote a book, someone interviewed you because you've written a fucking book.

Right now, yes, I think I have valid things to say, but I'm also competing with people who have just press record. Don't even talk to me about those people. Right. So I'm saying, so I mean, prior to that, there's a lot of musicians who would never, ever in a million years, have to be put under the same scrutiny. And if they did, it would be bizarre.

Bowie. No, that's true. That's what, yeah, no. Tom Waits turning up drunk. Not even just, not even just scrutiny, but like inane questions and bullshit. Bullshit. Selfie videos, Makita. Something you averagely dislike.

All the shit I hate. Yes, right. All the shit I hate. Actually, I understand. See? I totally get it, Miles. I totally get it, man. You just want to be an artist, dude.

Me too. And imagine if, imagine if, when we're talking, having to promote things of selfie videos. You lot are fucking looking at me going, how are we going to do your selfie video? Right. And someone, some huge presenter, I wouldn't even name a name,

but I could name a name a name right now that'd piss you off so much. Just sent you a little letter going, chill out. Keith, why don't you loosen up? Loosen up and do the selfie video. Got it. Fuck you.

Wow. That went full circle. Yeah. And he wrote Stargazing, by the way. So you really need to understand how deep that is. He wrote an international pop, like, mega hit, that's not normal. That's not normal for a young man to do, all young women. Welcome back to Miss Me. Let's talk about freedom. No, let's talk about love. Let's talk about love.

God, who knows about love? Who the fuck? Who knows? You know who knows? Do a leper and Callum Turner. They might know. They might. They're definitely doing a wonderful job of pretending they know if they don't, but I think they do know. Yeah. They might have the secrets. And if you have, and if you have, haven't heard the story of how the massive pop star duelieper and the massive actor Callum Turner came together. It is rather wonderful and will make you believe in love, so I'll just say it really quickly. I actually don't know this. Oh, good. Oh, good. Okay. So, it's June. No, I'm joking. I don't know when it fucking was. But they went to the River Cafe separately. Ruthie Rogers is like, these two should meet Ruthie Rogers' head of owner of River Cafe, introduces them,

doers with her dad. And they sort of say, hi. She's like, Oh, that's that fit guy. That's that fit actor. And he's obviously like, Sto Leaper. He is gorgeous. Then he is gorgeous. And then a year later,

through a mutual friend who you blatantly know, I just forgot his name for a minute, they're at a restaurant and they bump into him. And he's like, Oh, Callum, you know, do her. And then they start talking about the books that they're reading and she's reading. This is actually like the beginning of that drama film.

Which one? The drama. Oh, the drama. Yeah. Like when there is, doesn't he pretend to read a book or something? Anyway, so Carol. So they were reading. Han-Dieres trust.

And she said, I've just finished the first chapter. And Callum goes, so have I. And then he goes, guess we're on the same page. No, I love it. Someone's Bond. I love it. Because really essentially being Bond is delivering cheesy shit. I actually just feel like that story, like the cast and director just read that story

and went, cast him immediately. Cast him as Bond. If we want people in the cinema. Make Callen-Ton of Bond immediately. Immediately. He lives this life. He lives it. Do you know what I mean?

He's out here. Seducing Duolipa with cheesy one-liners saying them sincerely. Oh, I think I finished that chapter two. Feels like one on the same page. I guess we're on the same page. No, actually, stop. What's your name, Dua? I think I'd love to doer you at some point.

Why are we doing the Sean Connery? Because he is, he is Bond. I know he is Bond. He is Bond. Sorry, Roger Moore. That's how you pick up a popster. Guess we're on the same page. Sean Connery is the best bond.

If we're just going based on bond, Sean Conner, then Daniel Craig. Oh, wait, no, is it Daniel Craig first? Jordan, we're staying in Deweilipa and Callum Turner's love story. Sorry, sorry, okay. The reason we're talking about them is because they've had this beautiful wedding in it, in Italy. They did a London thing and now they've gone to Italy.

God, she looked wonderful. God, he looked wonderful. Isn't love grand? Or isn't it? because I did see an article where people are already turning on them already because he's called Al-Callan Turner

no but that really works they're turner on him turnering on him is she going to be Leiper Turner oh yeah is she going to be Doa Leaper Turner Wow Leeper Turner is like almost like a dance like a dance school Why is this cracking me up so much

Turner Leap is ridiculous Turner Leaper sounds like a classical composition You can't say it's ridiculous it might be her new married name Do a Turner Leapah sounds like a classical composition that might be accompanied by some kind of nursery rhyme. Do a eternal leper. Do a de lairpa and we all do a leapa. I just love them both.

I think they're both good peoples, man. I worked with Callum on my first acting job and I do a, I actually don't do it since just like 15. Yeah, I remember when she was hustling. She was working with Marlon. Yeah, she was working with my cousin Marlon. But the floor beneath me at my flat. Oh, yeah, of course!

Yes. That's how I know her. I remember she played me some of her early demos at my flat, and they're still on my old laptop. So like... What? Yeah, so it's just mad that I've got like demo versions of songs that became huge. You know, like, I can be the one.

Oh yeah, that was early. It's like her first big hit. You haven't got like, I got no rules I got them. No, I haven't. That would be cool. Another thing that I write about Dua, so the book thing is legit. is legit. If they were both reading the same book, I can imagine that being like I'm actually in heaven. But the other thing that's dope about Jua is she's actually an amazing interviewer. Have you

ever watched one of her interviews with authors? No. She's really good. Is she? Yes. She's really good. Because it's the truth. She reads. Yes. She really reads the book and she cares. Very, very prolific in her reading. And she fucking cares. And she is really impressive. And she's curious. Yes, she's curious, man. So you got to be. So yeah, and she's in love, right? And, you know, You know, who wouldn't like to live a life? Like, do a leaper. It seems really cute. What they got going on, man.

I read something that they were like just letting a cafe outside when they were like scoping the venue and that just eating olives and playing games. Like, I loved that for them. Honestly. Who's turning on them? Why are they turning on them? Here we go. Who's turning on do a leper?

Roe magazine. Not turning on them. But they're just saying basically that their love story is so beautiful that it's now ruining modern dating and people are using it as a sort of convenient stick to beat themselves with. It's like, can we please just enjoy this? Everyone just grow up. Yeah. But also it's just like love doesn't have to look the same for everyone.

It's such a bizarre monolithic. I think it's important for us to break that down and really talk about that because I think that is the killer of so much romance love dating is expecting everything to look a certain way. Like, you should look at this and go, oh, I wonder what my way looks like. Yeah. Not, oh, okay, well, I guess I'm not getting married in Italy to Callum Turner. or I guess my life sucks.

I wish them literally a lifetime of happiness. I really truly pray and hope that that it's something that works out. But equally, this is just a moment. Like people can't commit their entire outlook on life to a moment. For two people they don't know, don't know the details of, don't know what, what, what. And also we have absolutely no idea how the future will pan out. You know, like many people, I've had to learn the hard way,

not necessarily from personal experience, but like couples I've looked up to or looked at or whatever else and then life hits them. And especially being in a public eye, it's like an incredibly demanding space in which to like try and have a kind of reasonably private experience. Yeah, I think they're doing pretty well, considering how fucking famous both of them are.

They're doing really well actually, like having fun and being able to be playful still. Yeah, it's syncing up for sure. And like I say, like I think people should give themselves a break in a sense that I also, at the same time as I look at Dior and Callum and go, that's really cool. That's like a really beautiful example of, two people coming together and it's seemingly working and it's just like an aligning. That's

really, really, really wonderful. To the same extent, I'm equally as interested in many of the people in like almost an opposing world who are challenging those concepts of love anyway. Like they're asking who is it that decides that love should look like that, go like that, be like that in that place, you know. Like there are people who want to have, you know, reconstitute like what's considered marriage, how a marriage is done, how a wedding is done. You know, like how a relationship plays out, what you're expected to do in a relationship, at what age, like all of these, all of these expectations that are placed and often burdened onto top of people, people are pushing back against, which I like.

But I'm a huge, I guess I'm like the opposite. I'm, I think a real traditionalist. Yeah. And prude. Yeah. And yeah. But I do like tradition. I think that maybe it's because I grew up in chaos. So I hold on to tradition and the idea of getting married is directly opposing to my mom's idea of marriage. She's like, oh, marriage, yuck. Poor Garf. He's like, okay then. I guess we're not getting married. I think he'd marry mum in a heartbeat, but she's not interested. Do you know why? Yeah, she thinks it's NAF. And so... Nath is actually so wild. Yeah, it's just lame. She's lame, exactly. She's like, please. Also, hilarious because Andy literally

married Flynn and his wife. She literally. She did. And she did a really good job. The bloody heathen. She should have been at that ceremony, never mind running it. That wedding was also so good, by the way. Just shout out Flynn and Bobby.

I mean, I love weddings. I've just talked about Iona and Jan's last week or two weeks ago, and I've got a couple more coming up. I love love, but I do love weddings. Yeah, weddings are actually sick though. Actually, can I just say that? I get emotional. Yeah, can I just say that?

That's my favorite part of all of this. I think that concept should be taken out of weddings. I think that concept, I think, here's my mad idea. Go on. I think that every couple's anniversary should be a party. Oh, God, yeah. But I swear to God, people do do that. No, they do big anniversary.

They do marriage anniversary parties. But I think that in the same way as you have a birthday, you should just have people over and be like, yay, love. Yeah, fuck, yeah. There should be more love. There should be more like love things with communally. Yeah, because actually, if you think about it, the day that we celebrate love is just,

a wedding or Valentine's Day which is slightly sketchy. We should have more like, oh, it's just a love celebration. No, but Valentine's Day is still like, like, like. Cupily. Yeah, the love things we have are all like guarded and walled off. Yes. Well, it would make more sense maybe to do it all the couple time and then actually just be like, hey guys, do you want to, but I guess there'd be loads though in there.

They'd be like, there'd be like a hundred. But imagine that every week. You just do celebrating love with a different person that you, you know. When the first marriage was? Oh, mate. Well, you know, marriage used to just be like a thing about, like, families crossing over wealth anyway. Of course. Like 100 AD or something.

It's quite a while ago. 2,350 BC. Wow. Throughout history, these early unions, primary is legal and economic contracts to secure property? Well, that's not very romantic, is it? No, but you knew that, though, right? Yes, of course. But my wedding will be at the top of Labrack Grove on the church that I've walked past my whole life.

And it's this beautiful hill where you can see both Nothing Hill and Kensal Rye. and you see the valleys of Labrard Grove. I'll be real, that worries me. Why? A Grove wedding? No, it worries me that you've put a lot of thought into a wedding and you haven't got someone. Yeah, but when I was seeing someone recently, I was like, oh.

I was like, that's when you were thinking about it. That makes more sense. Yeah, kicked it open a bit. Okay, that's fair. I was like, oh. Because I just always think, like, you know, there's going to be another person who has like an opinion. Not in my, not in my friendships.

I was like, does Priya know that you're getting, and maybe it was like, who? Yeah, see, I'm not into that at all. No, no, no. It's something to share, I think, for sure. I think Jan and Ionis was a lot more shared. You could feel that Jan had like, he really wanted like his boys, his friends, his energy, his he really wanted a grove wedding.

So they'd done that really together. This is why I kind of rate your mom's angle. Like I say, love a wedding. I'm not anti-year. But I also do understand, especially from a slightly older generation. Like, we've really been programmed or hardwired, or actually especially women, I've been programmed the hardwired

to it to be like the seminal moment in your entire existence. Too much. Too much pressure. It's like, no, but it's literally,

it's literally like, what I'm pushing back against there is there is an expected trope that it's like the wedding is a female, that is for the wife to be to organize. It's her time. It's her day. You remember you hear this whole thing of like,

I just want to be my special day. Like everything is, my day. Everything is this build up to this moment. And then they'll lead through life with like, I am married. is the leading factor. That is the most important thing.

When I would say, it's probably not. It shouldn't even be, it should just be like a thing you've done for maybe some security, a bit of tax relief, and then a day of celebration. So unromantic, tax relief. Yeah, but romantic for me is like,

imagine if you're with someone for 50 years without any contracts. So you know what makes me believe in marriage? Nana and Cameron? Because I watched them hold hands. Do you remember when we were at the beach that day when we all went to the beach? And they walked up the beach

holding hands, like two little bestmates who have weathered storms together. And Nana said, what we think when we wake up in the morning look at each other is like we're war buddies. Yeah. Like we're fucking veterans. You've got to fight the world together.

In it? And you lose people. They've lost a lot of people. Our family have lost deeply important parts of this family, this tribe, they've gone. And to be able to look at each other and be like, okay, we're still fucking in this. We've been in this for 35 years together. that's what I want to have.

I want to share my life with someone in that way. Yeah, yeah. Ride or Die. Team forever, exactly. Yeah, Ride or Die's are the one. Can't fucking wait. In the spirit of talking about women not being expected for a wedding to be their ultimate, like, social, you know, whatever,

self-esteem says, I was from a song, getting married isn't the biggest day of your life or the days that you get to have a big. Facts. Oh, true saying. Yeah, man. And also, like, people start. What is it? Comparison is the thief of joy. Comparison is the thief of joy.

I think the ride or die energy gets lost because people's expectations of a single person are way too high. Expectations is good for Listen bitch, by the way, because people do it with holidays, people will do it with nights out, and that's why people are always so fucking disappointed. New Year's Eve, oh my God. Yeah, well, the New Year's Eve is now transferred into just like your hen weekend. It's got to be like the most incredible. It's like, maybe sometimes things are just like, nice. I mean, can I just say as a shout out, shout out Flynn's tag do because we just went to a sports hotel. This is our cousin, family friend. Flynn went to a, that is so him. Yeah, but we're not, what we're going to do?

Get a mashup. I'm sober for a start. A bunch of us, we all like doing fitness stuff. So we went and just play sports. Love, what kind of sports? Literally, McKita, this hotel had literally everything. Paddle, pickleball, basketball, tennis, football. There's everything in this hotel.

It was so table tennis. That's my idea of joy. It's so sick. Let's end this, JJ. Can I call you JJ? You can call me whatever you want. Sorry, I had a great reading with Phoebe yesterday and I feel very liberated. Oh my God, so did I.

Maybe we should put Phoebe tarot readings on the Patreon behind the Patreon wall. You joke, but that would actually change people's lives. And she is part of the Miss Me Crew. She is, actually. So that's something to be keeping the vault. Have you got it, guys? You recorded that. I said Miss MeCrew.

Miquita, Instant. agreed and went along with it because it already pre-existed. There we are. Miss me, crew is forever. Miss me crew is forever. Phoebe is part of Miss me, crew. I would rather say family, but okay. Crew.

Miss me, crew. MMC, bitches. No, that's too far. I'll see you next week. All right, see you next week. Love you, babe. See you next week.