Miss Me? - Multiple Rafikis

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens welcome everyone into a new era of Miss Me? & look at cultural new beginnings. Producer: Natalie JamiesonTechnical Producer: Oliver Geraghty Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Video Editor: Jack BoswellProduction Coordinator: Tom JacksonExecutive Producers: Ellie Clifford & Dino SofosMiss Me? is a Persephonica show Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Okay, now I think our handle sounds like an Harry on a Grand Day album. Miss me, that forever. You're going to miss me forever, ever, ever. Change is good. You can either run from it or learn from it. And then he goes to hit him again and Simba Ducks. We're a Mandaland. And I will say that to the audience as well.

If you liked Motherland. That's quite a funny analogy. March week, motherfuckers. This is what. relaunch looks like welcome to the new shape of Miss Me, the new Miss Me era if you will.

That's not end with a smash. That's Blushing and burning. That's not the right sound, Jordan. It is, it is. No, we need something that goes up in the air and then sounds like a firework, not something that is falling to the ground and exploding

in tragedy. That's a bit about That's a bit better Now if you saw the deadline That's a bit nath But it's people know what's going on Yeah, true say I'm not actually

I'm not above a Was it called again? Sorry, there's just loads of sound effects now It's the DJ thing man It's DJ horn I don't know Vuvies Ella Anna Huckus yes I'm not above horns No one's above horns

I love horns I've made my career on horns Yes, you have. My career is but a bed of horns. You and Mark Ronson, well done to you guys. You've really worked those horns. And possibly, possibly Ray Charles. Something like that.

You didn't play the trumpet, but he would have been accompanied. No. So as you did see the deadline article, which made me feel very industry. Fucking loved that article. Yeah. You will know that we have moved officially from the BBC into a free-falling land of freedom. For me, I feel like I'm free-falling, but of course, this world is well known by everyone. This means we will inhabit TikTok. We will still continue to inhabit Instagram. We will

now inhabit YouTube fully. Yes. Yes. Hence, Jordan's beautiful new space for this new chapter in his new room. And you've done, I'm bloody proud of you. I'm bloody proud of you. Why? Because I've gone to a new space to try and miss me up. Yeah, and you've like sort of you're shot out and you're wearing colorful top for me. You know, I'm sure you wipe your own ass as well. Yes, no. I felt like, yes, I've got a new space. This is where I'll be working.

Not to be too philosophical too early, but like one thing I've lived by in my life is having many lives. Like, very, I feel like I've died like at least 100 times in my life. Really? Yeah, I really, truly do. Like, I've gone to, I've attended my own funeral. on several occasions. Whoa.

No, I'm being serious. Like, I really very much believe, one, I think we don't talk about death freely enough in society. And two, right now we're talking about a metaphysical one. You know, there's like a, there's been an end point of like a glorious journey that you've predominantly been on. And now I get to be part of a new beginning, a new birth. Yes.

And that's a really good thing. It's very exciting. New life. Any beginning of anything I'm very, very into. And also, I love the idea of. things evolving and changing shape to grow and to become more. And that is what this is all about. Obviously, I'm a scurdy cat and I'm terrified to jump off edges sometimes.

And Jordan has, as I said, last episode, our last episode for the BBC, very much pushed me into this new place of courage. Very much pushed me. But I feel good to have been pushed. I do. I feel like a fucking freedom fighter. I just, look, I wanted, I've quickly realized. that I really love speaking with you and I would felt very you know it was a really amazing um again like pre-existing home to to kind of step into and like and like share my energy and I think I just

wanted or I thought it'd be cool to have a space where we collate that energy ourselves and look I wanted to post more clips that I wanted to post all right that was that was really it I wanted to be able to say the clips yeah I wanted to say what I wanted autonomy and control and And I watch YouTube all the time, man. I want to be on YouTube. And it was just we didn't, we couldn't. Yeah, we just couldn't. And now we are.

That was it. That was all it is. Guys, it might not, it might not, people might not watch it all the time, but I will. At least you know that you're on it and that you watch it. I'm on the tube, bro. That's all I want. I'm surfing that bad boy.

Just to be clear, it's not actually just YouTube either. We can also be seen on Apple and Spotify too. Isn't that so exciting? Apple and Spotify, really moving with the market, aren't they? Fucking hell. Yeah, I mean, they kind of are. market but yeah i get what you're saying no i mean youtube still intimidates me i don't know what the fuck's wrong i watch everything on it i watch it all the time i just you just like don't get me wrong i

now pay for no adverts and youtube yeah youtube premium glorious youtube premium is actually glorious now we need to we need to stop here because they should be paying us to say this now that's the new freedom we have don't give them no free promo no free promo we're paying money for that shit oh my god no free promo sorry we have to be we have to be like guarded now but I realised yesterday, actually, I was watching something that I love called Amanda Land. And I thought, isn't this interesting? Well, Sharon Hogan, absolutely. Well, Sharon Hogan, absolutely.

But there is actually, there's a writer that I really wanted to say the name of. Her name's Maranka O'Shaughnessy. And this woman's a genius. And everyone that works on Amanda Land is a genius because we have to remember this is, when Motherland came out, there was, I remember, BBC 2 trailed. Jordan, this is actually quite interesting. They don't usually do this. they trailed five or six comedy pilots.

Five or six, they put on BBC two and said, what do you like the most? I don't imagine what rated best. And Motherland won that race. And then Motherland became what it is now, which is part of the furniture, part of the fabric of the country. It's a huge, huge phenomenon in this country. And to say, can this, can we take one character,

let's say, I'm Amanda, and can we move on and give it a whole new world? She moves to South Halsden. She no longer lives in Shizik. Chisick is our BBC. South Halsden is our new life. And it's still bloody brilliant. And I care about all the other characters

and I care about the writing and it still makes me laugh, particularly episode four at the opticians. Oh my God, that's the funniest scene I've ever seen. So I just want to say, if you feel worried ever, we're a mandaland.

And I will say that. to the audience as well. If you liked Motherland, that's a funny analogy. Yeah, I just want to say when you watch something involved, you want to know why. And it's because the writing's still good, because they made the characters still

characters you can invest in that are real and raw and funny. They brought Joanna Lumley up more. That might be when Simon Amstall dips in or Louis Theroux dips in to Miss Me. I'm particularly very excited about having more of our world come in to be on Miss Me. And someone said the other day, what's you want guests?

And I was like, no, it's very important. I don't want guests. I want people to come in to the show and be intimate and reveal themselves and be opinionated in a way that they aren't anywhere else. Okay. And Sharon Hogan could be one of those people. She's a Miss Me fan. I do love Sharon so much.

She's so unbelievably talented. It's actually terrifying. It is terrifying her talent. She's a giant of talent. The productivity that comes from that woman is. is out of this fucking planet. We almost made something together. I did a guest part in catastrophe,

and I was working on something for years with Sharon. And I think we've kind of just, it's now settled more into like a kind of infrequent friendship. But whenever I see her, it's nothing but love. And I still think one day we'll do something together, genuinely. Hello? Why can't she do Miss Me? No, I mean like a TV show for fuck sake.

Yes, miss me, of course, I'll ask her. She's literally busy. She's so busy. I know she is. She might be one of the business people I've ever met. I really mean that. Yeah, I know that, but I think you should text her. I want Sharon Hogan on Miss Me.

I'll do, I'll do Louis through if you do Sharon Hogan. I mean, I'm seeing Louis in like two weeks. I mean, that would make more sense. Actually, you do both, and I'll do some other people. But I am excited about that new part of this journey. I'm very excited about who else will be coming into the world. You want a holiday? No, I don't even want a holiday.

I suddenly feel like that we've got this big opportunity. For all these people that are used to see and speak. Yeah, the Miss Me Universe. The Miss Me Universe. The Miss Me Universe. Not in the world. Is that what we should have put as the handles instead of Miss Me Forever? Do you want to tell them what the handle is? So when you're listening, this is Eva.

Miss Me Universe. Or most probably is Miss Me Dot Forever, Forever, Number 4 and then EVA. Not for Eva, not to be confused. It's forever. And it's done sensationalized with sensationalized spelling. one because I think it's cute and two because I think sometimes oddly it's easier to remember

there is science behind that many artists actually especially rappers weirdly misspell their names and to that extent it's actually very easy to remember their names Tiny Temper T-I-N-I-E D-N-I-E-D-I-Z-E What about that other short guy

What was he called? Tinchie Strider. Tinchie Strider, that was actually... No, well, actually both of those were spelt right. They were spelt right. The strider... And look, and look how forgettable he began. No, stop, stop.

Do not put a bad word about Tinchie. He's a... He is a UK. O.G. He is an O.G. That's true. Him and Chipmunk definitely hold that. He's called Chip now, by the way.

And Chip is phenomenal. So that's what we've done. So that's where we got to. Miss me forever. Because first thing, when we were trying to figure out a name for everything was Miss Me Crew, which I did not like at all. I liked that, by the way. Just to be clear to everyone listening,

and Miss Me Crew was caught, and it was inspired by Miquita, so the irony of Miquita being annoyed by it is not lost on me. Wait, wait, let me just say, the reason I love Miss Me Forever is because that's so good. That's what you want to say to someone that breaks your heart or fucks you over. Like, you best miss, you're going to miss me forever. No, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Don't miss us forever. Okay, hold on, hold on. Hold on. That's toxic. I do not recommend people say, you're going to miss me forever during a breakup. What are you talking about?

No, not a breakup. If someone's fucked you over, I think Miss Me Forever is quite comforting. It's like, that person will miss me forever. I have friends that I know will miss me forever that are no longer my friends. Okay, now I think our handle sounds like an Ariana Grande album.

No. I will not be able to think of anything else other than Ariana Grande being like, Miss me, that forever. Miss me, that forever. Yeah, it does sound like a bit like a Taylor Swift song, isn't it? You're going to miss me forever, ever, ever, ever, ever.

You're going to miss me forever. Yeah, that's quite good. Well, let's hope this goes as well as Taylor Swift. No, yeah. Well, there you go. Taylor Swift, not necessarily a new beginning, but just someone who has ridden the wave of mediocrity into such incredible heights.

Oh, I'm sorry. I've never been a fan of Taylor Swift. I'm not going to start now. And I think she's got even more dry and even more successful. But that's okay. That's just my observation. I just don't like that she stepped on Charlie. That's all it is.

Did she? Yeah, she stopped at Charlie X-X-X-X. I'm getting number one. Oh, okay, fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll talk about Charlie in our conversation about wonderful new beginnings as we step into our own. But first, you want to talk about Soul Campbell. They're not quite Soul Campbell level because,

That was not only like a new beginning, but it was like a serious. There has never been a loyalty shift as dramatic as Soul Campbell in the history of human interaction, I don't think. So what happened? But can I just say, I'm pretty sure Soul Campbell's a Tory and that really pisses me off. So I don't, I don't got too much love for current Soul Campbell. However, 97, Soul Campbell. In 97, this man, Arson Venger said to the journalists, I've got a review. at the training ground, come down.

And no one turned up because it was like no one does anything at the training ground in the middle of the week. And he pulled out Tottenham's best defender to join Arsenal in a shift in allegiance comparable to like, I can't even, it's Everton, Liverpool. It's Newcastle Sunderland. This is a moment that's also shrouded in secrecy this moment of Sol Campbell because, of course,

there is no internet in 1997, not really. No. And so things could stay shrouded in secrecy. Mystery was easy to obtain. Can you imagine mystery being something that was easily obtainable? That feels like the 90s. Yeah, I mean that, yeah, there was a, yeah, there's a protective element of not being able to, you know,

nowadays with football, you get like transfer rumors and stuff. But, you know, let's, we probably shouldn't focus too much on football. It's more like, it's more like the idea that, Soul Camp will switch it, switched it up and it blew the world up. And there were four reporters there to see it, and it blew their little minds. Yeah. But I will, before we move on to other new beginnings, I want to hear from you. I do want to comment on the fact that this is going to go down as one of the worst World Cups in the ever that's ever existed.

The one that's currently happening right now. There's so many reasons why, isn't there? It is absolutely fucking mental what is happening. And yes, anyway, continue. Yeah. And then maybe we'll add to that. We've got weeks and weeks to talk about this. We've got weeks of this shit, man.

And it's getting worse. It's honestly like, and then you kind of watch it for the underdog stories, you know, like Cape Verdi drew with Spain, who are like the favour of the favour of the favour of the same population as Bristol or something nuts like that. So it's like, or is that, anyway. I didn't know that happened. Like Ashanti, Zoe's daughter is like seeing someone from Cape Verde.

So she's been there a lot. So we've been learning about Cape Verde. This is tiny. Tiny, yeah. They just drew with the, with the, with the, World Cup favorites. It doesn't make any sense. But so those are the stories we'll tie ourselves to. And can I just say it is hard with football because in terms of like the my wish, you know, for there to be some political upheaval, you know, like teams to pull out nations to push against

like this kind of insanity that's happening, right? Like you would want that. But to the same extent, I feel conflicted because we're talking about one of two opportunities in the world to achieve social mobility, right? Football and modelling. There's only only two. things I can really think of where you can be born into nothing and find a way of getting out just through something you have, you know, like you don't need much to kick a ball around. And then you can just pull your family up, you know, modelling. You might be born with just an incredible bone structure. And then you just, you know, you just kind of move.

Yeah, you can change everyone's lives, right? So it's like, there's probably more, but those are the ones that I think about. So I think, you know, you have a 10 year lifespan as a professional footballer. You're probably going to two World Cups, maybe three if you're lucky. the idea that the owners falls on these young men who like have a limited time to kind of support their family for their whole lives like it's a lot to ask for it really is I would see I could actually talk about footballers

yeah flight forever but we have to stay in cultural beginnings and I really like one that Jordan brought up the other day which I just fucking forgot about which is when the spice girls and Channel 5 came together it was marketing genius yeah yeah it was so good that it made you feel that like, I think you thought that Channel 5 was going to be like, I don't know, like HBO meets like MTV or something. But this was marketing genius.

There were five of them. There were five. It was the fifth channel. You got to remember this was exciting. There was nothing more exciting than this idea of a new channel. And we just didn't get what other people got. That is true. When you got four channels and they're like,

we're going to add a fifth channel. I remember being a Nizden boss being like, yo mum this shit's about to get one extra up yeah hold the aerial at a different angle hold the aerial boss we're about to get five channels but oh my god although I do think that around that time you they did have sky though no like sky I didn't have sky because you had to get that fuck off dish and and you know you had to like get someone to come and wire it into a chimney or whatever think you had cable cable yeah cable that's what I mean I didn't have that so I remember going around to mates houses and being like oh my god cartoon network that was like yeah yeah you

Yeah, yeah, trouble. Totally. Oh my God. And I never saw any of that. But then I got three of you when I was a teenager and I was like, this is lit. E4 lit. Yeah. You're on that.

I actually wasn't and people still scream it at me in the street and I was never on E4. No, they're saying T4. No, they go, girl from E4, yeah. And I go, no. But that got repeated on T, it got repeated on E4. It did. Yeah, see? You are on E4.

I told you. Fuck you. E4 was reviv. Can I just say E4 was actually revolutionary. Like, like, Can I just in the early days? That, that, that, that, that for me, I remember as a teen, I think I think loads and loads of including Channel 4 have tried to recapture whatever happened in that moment. That's a really good, I think of a new beginning.

Because what they, I think what they did there was they streamlined the shows that had been doing quite well on Channel 4 and pushed it to an audience that was slightly younger and it like defined a generation. It's true. Missfits Yes Popwell was on E4 Yes it was like Sorry I was on E4 I don't know what to

Fuck here out We started on E4 And it was like That's all I watched It was an E4 And obviously had friends And you had like Simpsons and the normal stuff too

But like But I remember just Dude when Missfits Like obviously Shatterskins But when misfits Season 1 started The chemistry and my body changed

Do you know what The thing is though I would like to be in line with the beginning of E4. That's the kind of cultural new beginning we're looking at here. But what E4's become now? I'm sorry to be a Debbie Downer today.

But it's just a lot of American bought shows. It doesn't feel like they're creating anymore. They're not. We were talking about Miley Cyrus, which was quite interesting because you thought Wrecking Ball was her new beginning and I put you in your place

and told you it was actually the K party. Yeah, but no one remembers that No one's remembering that that song. I put it on and me and my assistant sang along, which she knew every word. Yeah, yeah, okay. I remember the song, but the image. If you're talking about Miley Cyrus rebirth,

you're looking at a swinging on a record ball. You 100% are. Actually, now this is, now this is something else. This is interesting. This is something to dissect. We Can't Stop with her rebirth. The wrecking ball was what it comes, what it becomes when it,

what's it called when it literally like heats up and turns into something else. That's like, it's becoming. Like, I can't explain it. It's like, let's say early Miss Me, right? The bus campaign, the, we're here with Miss Me, that's we can't stop.

But it becoming a hit and loved is the wrecking ball moment. Okay. What is it called, Nat? Like when something... Crystallises, thank you. Crystallises. Thank you.

But this is a really good time for me to say one of my favourite phrases... I didn't, do we even say it in the idioms episode on Listenbridge? I don't think we did. Is it a jokey phrase? No, it's not. It's just a general one,

which I remember hearing from Scroobie's Pit back in the day, you put it in a wrap, where it's like, early bird gets the worm, second mouse gets the cheese. Okay, but what does that mean? It means that one of the best and most intelligent things you can do as a creative is look at other creatives and see where they went wrong. Second mouse gets the cheese means the first one got hit by the mouse trap

and the second one just kind of ate it. because the first one got hit. You know what it is? It's Rafiki, Lion King. What? Yeah, it is. Get ready. So Rafiki is talking about change is good,

and Simba goes, yeah, but it's not easy. And then out of nowhere, Rafiki hits him around the head with his stick. And Simba's like, what did you do that for? And he says, it doesn't matter. It's in the past. And he says, yeah, but it's still hurt. And he goes, yeah, the past can hurt.

But the way I see it, you can either run from it or learn from it. And then he goes to hit him again and Simba ducks. And he says, you'll see, you'll see. And if Rafiki's not one of the greatest teachers of all time, I don't know who fucking is. Can I just say just a slight addition to that? I am not a fan of musical theatre, right? Yes, we know. But I did go to see Lion King for the anniversary or something.

I got tickets. and unbelievable they did one song with all the Rafiki's of all the Lion Kings in the major cities singing at once Oh my God, multiple Rafikis. Multiple Rafikis and like the London one, easily the most incredible singer I'd seen on stage, like a genuinely fucking phenomenal that blew me away. I believe you.

And with that, we will go to a break with Rafiki's lesson in our hearts. We will go to a bloody break in this new land of freedom. Welcome back. We just did a break. That was cool. Welcome back to New Miss Me, the new Miss Me era, yeah? Yeah. New Miss Me. I am in a deep, milestoney place at the moment. So this is milestoney, moving into this world of freedom and advertising.

Yeah. And... You like getting milestones, don't you? I literally feel like I've been milestoneed, as in to be stoned with people's milestones. I had in the last two weeks, I had a hen baby shower, a baby shower, a 40th birthday dinner, and a wedding. Whoa. It's just been like, woo. That's a lot.

With all people I really love and are very close to me. So it's like been deep and emotional and beautiful and amazing. Like I only got married. It was amazing. She got married in Labroth Grove. most elaborate grove wedding I've ever been to in my life. Really? Eliza sang.

Wow. This is a good way, time for me to say that's going to be my addition to the Miss Me library, which is a Patreon thing. Oh yeah. Should we talk about Patreon? Our new friend Patreon. Well, yes, just there will be opportunity for paid subscribers to miss me. This is obviously now we're not relying on taxpayers.

We actually, it's a direct-to-consumer situation. and in order to obviously create additional benefits and like incentivise people to support the show we're going to be like creating like a miss me cultural library where we're going to be talking more in talking amongst other things by the way there's many other opportunities which you'll see once you go on the miss me Patreon I think would it be called miss me dot forever say it you know what you want to call it you know what you want to call it

you want to call it miss moire oh yeah this is all happening in the future this is all happening in the future this is happening over the next few weeks. So just settling in, getting our feet a bit wet, adding things by the day. No, but I think people, by now, people understand, I think, but those who are fans of podcasts, fans of YouTube shows and whatever, you understand the kind of framework of how to make sure that it's supported, make sure that we can, like, give, you know, so it's like a transactional

thing. And one of the things we want to do is offer people some kind of like cultural stuff, cultural insight. Not insight that we know, but like our offerings, what we enjoy, what we love. And because then we can form that community. And I think there is an element to miss me sort of having become the greatest school that I never attended. And also we're going to continue to educate Makita because she has no qualifications. No, that's not what I mean. And I actually have one GCSE, thank you.

What is it? It's English. Literature. Yes, go you. What did you get? I think I've got a C, which is not fucking mirroring my ability at all. That's not a failure. Yeah, but it doesn't mirror my ability.

I was stoned and I wasn't in school. That's such a surprise that you were stoned. I know. It's really surreal. Crazy youth. But I'd like this idea of this library because I do think that I've learned so much since doing Miss Vee. So much. I can't even tell you, actually.

I learned so much from our audience. I learned so much from what we discover. And I feel like we teach people's stuff. We learn about stuff altogether. Together, yeah. I don't think we teach, but like, yeah. No, I think we could be. I think there is teachings and miss me for sure.

From you to me, from you to me. And me to you. Me to you. Yeah. Chuckle brothers. Let's go. Exactly. Like the Chuckle brothers. And I love this idea that if we were a school, the best school you've ever been to,

then we're now building a school library. And I've been part of like, you know, I do a lot of skipping with schools, with ropes and stuff. And actually there is always this whole, like, we're saving up for a new library. So we are building a new library. for our school. And we're going to fill it with documentaries that you might want to watch or books that you want to read.

Like I spend my life asking everyone, do you know any good things I can watch? Like, I'm always running out of things to watch. And I watch very obscure documentaries. So the fact that I have a library to place them all in for other people to enjoy, that's like my dream.

It's really cool. I've got a friend called Jake who did a really, really cool. He took over a space in East London. I wish I could remember the name. And he did, he played like, he did one night. to where everyone played backgammon.

And in this space, he had a library bookshelf and you could search by the name of the contributor. So basically, so someone would, so he had basically reached out to people that he found inspiring. And then they would pick a book to put in the library. And then you would basically search it by the person. So you'd be like, I want to know what books, Lily Allen. has recommended.

Yeah, or what book she's put in this library, yeah. And then there'll be like a brief explanation, yeah. That's so good. That's what we'll do. That's what we'll do, Jordan. We'll ask all of our family and friends and acquaintances from Louis Theroux to Lily Allen to add things to the library. Yeah, that's a cool idea.

I do think you're mildly obsessed with Louis Thu, but we can do with that another time. You mentioned him a lot. You know what? I had 10 years of whenever I had to mention someone that was a bit famous, I would say Cano. I think he's my new Cano. Oh, your new Cano is a G.

The one name that comes to me. Yes, Cano can add to the library as well. There you go. Not just Lily through, possibly Cano. You ever met Cano? I would love that. I would love that. Yeah, he was at Iona's wedding.

But to have one in Labroup Grove, it literally went from the street I grew up in, a beautiful restaurant called Dorian, which is just the best restaurant in London. And then we walked four streets up, all of us as a group. And the sun came out on a day that. It said it would rain all day.

And we went just down the road to Westman, to an old place called The Oak that we all used to party in as teenagers. And it was just a really special kind of wedding. There was something about it being local and people not have had to like travel. You know, people love a destination wedding. And I get it. I get it. But if you can just go down to Labrott Grove, get married.

It's really quite pure and beautiful. And I introduced Eliza actually. And I said, tell me if you think this is right. I said, we're very, I talked about love and what it means. and how beautiful it is to see your two friends really, really fucking fine love and really hold each other in that. And then I said that we have a friend whose voice sounds like falling in love. I think Eliza sounds like what love sounds like.

She is an incredible singer, but we'll save that for Patreon. I want to talk about the moment. Yes, well, I think that ties in into this new beginnings thing because the moment for Charlie XEX, the moment she had, was not a fucking new beginning. It was not. It was a new beginning,

but it was, it's not her origin. It's not her genesis. One of the first lines in the film, for those who don't know, the moment is the name of Charlie XX's film based off of the, like, astronomical heights of Brat Summer.

And one of the first lines in the film is Charlie XXX is the opposite of an overnight success, which is true. Yeah. Which is true. Like, Charlie got signed at like 14 years old. I remember touring.

Australia with her Park Life Festival. She must have been like 18. She must have been 18 or 19, yeah. And I think we were like 22. And what did she sound like then? What were the tunes like then? She was like, it was more like trashy, like, like electronic trashy vibes.

Like, like what she, I mean, she had a little moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it was. No, she's not like lowly young or like, or I don't know I think Mahalia kind of had like a big shift into R&B and stuff like that I'm talking about people who were signed young and like reinvented themselves

or actually Eliza Eliza completely reinvented herself Charlie I don't think actually reinvented herself I think she had a kind of like trashy electro sound and then I think just triple down on it unapologetically and also remember she

like she she had that song with what they're called I don't care I love it and that was that was a while ago, Icona pop, is it? Icona pop. And that was her vibe.

Even back then, it was like indie adjacent electro vibe, right? And then, and then basically her blow up unless I've got this wrong, was she did the chorus for fancy with Igiazalia and, you know, Charlie would have been writing top lines. She would have been going into stuff with producers and you kind of put down an idea and you send it out

into the void and you see if anyone picks up on it and it was just as big if not bigger for Igizalia than it was for Charlie you know and like it put her into America and this is let's talk to say what we're talking about it grafting and it's continuing to believe in your shit

she's had her moment almost probably 15 years after starting no genuinely you've really got to believe in yourself you really do it was that was we said that or miss me actually like I said that in one of the earlier guest episodes

was like last year and a year before was a real game-changing testament not only to women in pop music not being continuously judged for not being new or young or whatever young even means because they're all fucking young is like, you know, Sabrina Carpenter

that's like a sixth album Charlie's like a sixth album like who's the one about the horse? Sabrina is it how sick that was that? Yeah, Sabrina Carpenter's been around for ages she's like Disney Club. She hasn't? Oh my God, I have no idea.

And then what's the other one? Who's the other one? Chapel Rhone. That pink pony club was out for, no, what do you mean Lily? Lily was straight away. Lily's part of this. No, but Lily's part of this whole like, this is Lily's fifth album, isn't it? Yeah, but it's different because Lily, Lily was big off her first album.

I'm trying to say these people were not, this was their first moment. This is their first, like, full on, like, Charlie was, Charlie was beneath the boil for a long time. She was there. She was selling out shows. She was, like, making dope songs. long as she was collaborating with dope artists, but she was never like, boom, off the back of fancy.

Look, Sabrina's on seven albums. Sabrina Carpenter is on seven albums. She's like 25. Is what I'm trying to say? So, can we talk about this? She's not 25. Oh my God. She's 27, to be fair.

She's 27. Fine. So she basically did like four bad Disney albums in my home. It wasn't bad. You don't know because you never listen to them. No, no, I'm just saying like, but my point is, it's testament to graft. Yeah, it's graft, absolutely. And we should really talk about this idea of having a moment, right?

Yeah. So the greatest thing that Charlie does is to say it in this film, to say, yes, this moment is ridiculous, overwhelming. And it would be churlish to believe that this could happen again. That is the most powerful thing you can do in said moment to be like, I know this is probably a one-off, right? But if you've waited for... She wants it to be.

That's what's even more powerful about it. Right. She wants it to be a woman. What she's saying in the film, which is a hard relate, by the way, for anybody who's been in the pop industry. But, like, they are trying to make the moment carry on. That's the whole thing. Her, the label, the people with money, they want Brat to be forever.

They want Brat to never die. Whereas she wants it to die. And that's why I think probably the most, the character that's like, I think people are drawn to is the creative director. I think she's called Celeste or something. What, the girl from the drama? The angel on the shoulder.

Yeah, like the antagonist and protagonist is her original creative director and the antagonist is who Alexander Scarsgaard played so well, by the way. That's hilarious. Yeah, he's played a real dickhead really well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, they had that kind of like playoff. But the original creative director is saying that, you know, like we should be the ones who just, who make it end.

We are the ones who choose to bring something to an end because then... It's much more powerful than the world telling you it's over. Yes, exactly. Own it before. that's so good. Yeah. And then she doesn't, by the way, which is what's funny about the film.

In the film, in real life she did that, but in the film she imagines what would have happened if she didn't. That's what's so good about it. That's very good. God, she's smart. But she's not just smart. She's just telling the fucking truth. And I think there's something quite intense about having a moment, right?

I've been very lucky to have some in my career. And nothing like Charlie XX, X, X, obviously. But I wonder how much. one can enjoy a moment without worrying about when it leaves, without worrying about when it turns, without worrying about how to achieve it. Like, for instance, like when Kanye and Jay said, watch the crown, it was like, I mean, throne. Exactly.

Exactly. It's like, you're not even hanging out being a king. You're too busy watching who's coming for your throne. That's not enjoying your moment. And I have a few people around me like Tyrone Le Bon, whose family, big, huge photographer, right? Like, respected, makes a lot of money, can say yes and no to whatever he wants, works with a huge team,

looks after them, has houses all around the world, well known, not famous. What a career. He has the best life, I think. Also, like someone like Cleo's soul, she's had like these sort of steadying moments, but she hasn't had, let's say, a Charlie XX moment. So she's got nothing to try and clamber back to.

as it were. I think I would rather a steady, peaceful, successful life rather than a huge moment that I'm worried about trying to make. I reckon I've got a lyric on a song that's not out yet actually. But I will also, just as a side note, Rizzleck's new single Outliving a dream. I can say that now. Say that's a joke.

That is not on due prominence anymore. But listen, it's like, yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, I love making Rizel Kicks music just like working with Harley. but in terms of the industry, like whatever, I just put the music out because people might enjoy it. But there's a lyric on a song that's not out yet where I say I gave up the sprint to win the marathon.

And that's how I look at my career is that, you know, the, I was an over, I was like, well, if it wasn't overnight, because I was working my little last off about three years, but like it was a explosion with Rizzle kicks. It happened instantly. And I was, we were just as shocked as the public. And that, I would say, measured up against artists

that I've seen move. up in a kind of crescendo-esque kind of like long marathon vibe. I think I would I would I think the marathon which I managed to carve out I guess in a different way for me personally I think that is where people should head I don't think I think like an explosion or rushing or like it can be a lot and I don't think you've like done the you have to weather the storms but we created our own storm one thing I will say we did do in terms of just as a parallel to the film is you know we walked away on our own terms. I think it's very important no matter where you are what you're doing to just be excellent. So we will strive to be excellent for you, for ourselves and for the world as Miss Me continues

on its great journey through life. That's a lovely place to end it. And I think on a usual show where people aren't battling with some forms of neurodivergence, they would end it there. But I just need to quickly say before I forget that in, can I just say in the moment, Kylie Jenna, did you watch it? I did. She is very good. good. Is it right? I'm not going mad. No, she's very good.

But, you know, maybe she's been studying her boyfriend. Do, do, do, do, do. Okay, I'm so thankful you said that because I'm so, I was so, I would have been so prepared. What? I don't even fuck with the Kardashians like that or the Jenners.

Like, I wouldn't have said that. Do you know what she was? She was so natural, McGee. It rattled me. She was calm. But like, so if you, there's videos of actors. Yeah, there's like, there's like, Michael Kane, as whoever like talking about like,

like really tiny things in how actors portray themselves, right? Tiny things that you wouldn't, you just take for granted because, you know, there's so many amazing actors that we watch on screen and we just think, oh yeah, that's normal. It's not normal. When you see somebody who struggles to act, like, there's identifying factors in it. There's like, you can see when someone struggles to improv. You can see that they can't maintain eye contact.

Sometimes people blink. Sometimes people blink a lot. Yeah, because your eyes are the cameras, right? So when you see actors who do like big gravitas scenes, you'll watch how their eyes are. and they are, they just stick. In soaps, for example, people do this thing where they look between eyes. So like in emotional moments,

they look, you see that eye scanning, either eye. Whereas I think dramatic Hollywood actors would just look at a single eye and just stay and focus and you're just in. But what she did, which was so wild, was she just, I literally believed that she was reacting in that moment as if she was just talking,

which is fucking hard to do. It wasn't like she was reading lines. It was like she was just responding. Kylie Jenner is the new Ray Fines. I genuine listen people joked about Ariana Grande and wicked right and she did it and people were like what the fuck like that she was quite good yeah yeah but I think Kylie's like that I'm just gonna say it I don't even fucking like these people and I think and I'm sorry that's mean but I don't care about it shit I don't care about the world and I think she's actually got a real career in her vanity fair article she says that acting is very much what she wants to do next so let's get ready for her one man new beginning one man show on Broadway of header street car named Desire. Watch up.

Kylie Turner on Broadway soon. Well, thank you, Jordan. Thank you for making me step into freedom. I like the way it feels out here. I like it. Don't put too much pressure on me because, you know, it's early days. It's just an idea.

Don't put this all on me. It was a mutual decision. Jordan, there's absolutely nothing that I would want more than to evolve and move and grow. That's all I here to do in the world. In the world. Regardless of this. podcast regardless of this fucking podcast

lads you know what I'm saying let's just grow together everyone let's grow let's grow continue to grow I love you I'll see you I love you too bye that's still here thanks for listening to miss me this is a Persephoneka show