Miss Me? - Nepoplasty

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss DJing at birthday parties, catching up with people you haven't seen for years, cosmetic surgery and working in pubs.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes.Producer: Matt Thomas Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan HaskinsMiss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds.

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and some adult themes. So just watch out for those little tidbits. Hi, welcome to, we never really refer to it anymore, as the meaty drop. that's what i was thinking and i think we should oh yeah the poor old meaty drop kind of got a little bit lost in listen bitch there this this segment of the show does have its own name it's the meaty drop so welcome hey it's the first thing we named isn't it it was It was. I didn't really name it. It just was what it was and then that

became the name. But it was before even Miss Me, Lily. It's true. The Meaty Drop's the origins of it all. Poor old Meaty Drop's just been left to the wayside. Sidelined. Don't think it will do quite as well in merch than Meaty Drop t-shirts.

Listen, bitch t-shirts. It's listen bitch t-shirts. Good old meaty drops back for more. I mean, should we even say welcome to miss me? I feel like that even feels weird to say now. Welcome to miss me. Welcome to miss me. And Makita. Makita, how are you feeling now that you're in your 40s?

Don't throw any love at me, for one. I can't take any more love being thrown my way. Have you been love-bombed? Love-bombed by our family all weekend. Sick of gifts. No more gifts. No more telling me how wonderful I am and extraordinary I am as a person.

Yeah. I mean, the gifts can come my way because it's my birthday today. Oh shit. Oh shit. No big deal. Oh my God. As I sit here

drowning in gifts from you, including a bunch of flowers that are so ostentatious that I no longer can see out my sitting room window. And I didn't even remember to say, hey Lil, happy birthday.

Thanks. I've left my door ajar. I'm sure there'll be something brought in for me halfway through the show oh oh nothing nothing planned for me okay that's okay there is stuff coming but I thought I thought we should save it for ourselves not much is for us anymore most of it is for Miss Me so I thought I'm gonna celebrate Lily for her birthday just privately so there's a lot of private surprises coming convenient convenient you were such an amazing friend this weekend do you feel like you were a great friend I had so much fun Makita had a birthday party and I DJ'd yeah you did for half an hour maybe 40 minutes and I DJed for half an hour, maybe 40 minutes. And I played, you know, some dancehall and some jungle rollers. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry.

It was that kind of vibe. It was that kind of vibe. Do you know what I realized I think that you found and it does sort of make me want to cry I think you've found a way to rave again and be up in the dance yeah I mean it's convenient being in a social situation and it's hard when you don't drink um to be in those situations where everybody else is drinking but DJing is good because you can be part of it, you know, almost controlling it in some ways. You're controlling it. There's a bit of a stage. Yeah.

And you have a role. Have a role. And also I'm quite good at it. I'm quite good at it. I've got everyone dancing. Listen, I didn't drag you out of ragged DJ retirement for nothing. When we were young, there was a time that a flat I had in Old Street, the Eagle Wolf Road flat.

Oh, that poor flat. And we would have house parties and they weren't just house parties. It was like, you know, 120 people for just like a little Friday night house party. And I decided that one night I was like, oh, we need a music set up. So I just went to Tottenham Court Road and bought Technics for like 3,000 pounds or something. I was like, no, we have to have Dex. I didn't know how to DJ.

And you came, do you remember the party? Yeah. I think it was a Christmas party, and you were wearing that like Kangol hat with the like ear flaps. Let's not talk about that. Okay, fine. But you killed you uh killed it

killed it and i didn't know when you learned how to do it dj because i know i'd always secretly been trying to learn in my late teens sort of yeah old teens really but i didn't know you'd actually got your shit together and taught yourself how to dj it doesn't surprise me but when did you actually do that i don't know i still don't know if i really have to be honest it's definitely easier now that there's like a sync button on the mixer but back in my day we used to dj with vinyl i used to carry a box of records around and you'd have to beat mix right beat match yeah beat match yeah um i don't know i mean i never was like really good at it but i you know managed to figure out a way

that you could, you know, sort of relatively seamlessly go from one into the other if you sort of got there before the vocal came in from the next song. You know, just use that little section at the beginning to try and like do the beat matching. See, not everyone would think about it like that though. Well, I don't, look, I'm not Carl Cox.

We're like you yourselves open fold and cox only have that kind of mind no but i just mean like when you're learning something it's a lot easier when your mind kind of works with it well like oh i know it would work here if i tried to only use the intro to did it i was just like, ah, buttons. Because obviously when I left T4, I didn't have any work. And the only work that was coming my way was DJing at unis around the country. And I dragged our poor cousin Theo around the country with me. And he did it basically. And I just said terrible things on a mic like, hello, Loughborough.

Got paid. Paid my rent and I went home. But Theo was there to help you this weekend as well. It was really sweet to see you two together. Oh, my God, Minnie, you looked joyful. You looked joyful. I know. I was joyful.

I had a really good time. So thank you for turning 40 and for allowing me to be part of the celebrations. Thank you. I'm never going to do it again. Never going to turn 40 again. I can't be bothered. Gosh, it was so nice seeing so many people from the past I walked in I was just very overwhelmed by you know seeing everyone I hadn't people I hadn't seen for years people whose names I couldn't even remember their faces I could I was like hi so nice to see you this is the thing about 40 it's um it's a very different atmosphere in the room everyone's got a bit older it's all love and there's a lot of like

reconnecting my parents were in a room together for the first time in 20 years and were laughing together I mean who would have thunk it who would have thought it anyway further on from our tits conversation last week I felt like being in in not in your last club and yo-yos like a sort of muscle memory situation and I did actually feel to get my tits out vomit all over no you had that energy though you were so like I don't know you were you were a bit what do i do now oh lift my top up did you see um did you see all the uh speaking of talking about boobs last week did you see all the beautiful bright young boobs of the new gen bouncing around the party i wasn't i wasn't looking at that i think you I think you're quite fixated on boobs. I'm really not. I didn't notice. I didn't notice. I was more just like fascinated that so many of us and our friends

are still alive, to be honest. I was like, wow, I wasn't expecting you to, I mean like what, and people looked like, you know, like they hadn't been absolutely like burning the candle from both ends for the last 20 years. Like I was like, oh yeah, you look good. Interesting. So do you have a sort of preconceived idea of like all the old crews, because you are sober now, all the old crews? No, it's nothing to do with sobriety. You are very good at maintaining your relationships. And I don't, you know, I've been in two very like long-term and serious relationships for the last 15 years, like my, both my marriages and, you know, a couple of, a couple of relationships in between the two. And, um, and I've had

kids. And so I don't have the time to maintain my friendships in the same way that you do. And so, um, you know, that people from the past have kind of like not disappeared from my life, but like I don't maintain contact with them in the same way that you do. So I haven't got that dialogue. I haven't seen them for a long time. And so they've kind of drifted off into a part of my brain that's just like, you know, oh, I wonder what they are doing with their lives now. Sometimes they kind of like, you know, I'll think about them. with their lives now. The past, yeah. Sometimes they kind of like, you know, I'll think about them.

And I don't really like, it's not like I sort of pigeonhole them or put them anywhere, but because I haven't seen them for 20 years, I just sort of assume that, I don't know. But it was just nice to see them and just to be like, oh, you're alive. And also you look like a normal person.

But I think that's 40. Because on my 30th, it wasn't so about love. And a lot of people came that were a mess. Late 30s, this is the time you clear out the corners and then kind of have a little rebirth. And most of our friends are either in their late 30s or early 40s. It did feel very positive. You know, like I was thinking, gosh, 15 years ago, like I wouldn't have been able to be in a room with this person. And now I'm like giving them a hug and saying hi and how's things and what you up to and and they're

being like positive and nice to me as well like it just feels like we're like over I don't want to say over the hill but we are over a hill when I when I say that I couldn't be in a room with these people I don't I just mean that like there have been sort of, you know, run-ins with people's girlfriends before, or I don't know, it just like, you know, like low level, like bubbling stuff from childhood that, you know, ran over into our 20s and into our 30s and just things that I'd never confronted before. So I just would rather have not been around them. But I felt like that had all gone on Thursday. I was like, oh my gosh, we're adults. We're not going to argue about dumb stuff anymore.

I was like, how are you? It's nice. It's nice. How are you and who are you now? What does your life look like? Not with that bitch still, are you? You still with that bitch see even i feel like even that would have gone down well in that room that's how good

the energy was you're still that little bitch how's she doing see i know who you're fake talking to now thank you yes you said you're gonna buy some cdj's i think i might buy myself some cdj's although i looked at the price of them they're pretty expensive and you know i've got my italian lessons to save up for first so let's see what um what happens there i think you should focus on the DJing. Over the Italian? Yeah. I think it will bring more joy to your life. Imagine if in like three years I could do both.

I could DJ and speak Italian. Spend all my summers in Rome DJing in Raga. Where's Lil? She can't do Miss Me this summer because she's in Rome doing a DJ residency. The Colosseum. Raga Colosseum residency. You wish that would be the only places you played the Colosseum in Rome. Is that the kind of DJ life you're going to have? I think there's quite a lot in between. It's quite

a lot before you get there. Hang on. You've got to think big. Okay. Lily's a Roman rave up. Roman Raga rave up. Roman raga rave up. It was great. Also, I think you did like the impossible and managed to make a 40th birthday party feel like,

not like a 40th birthday party. Thank you. That means so much to me. And you know it. It was like, it just felt vibey. It was like, oh my God,

we're still alive. We still got it. We still got it. We still got it. I did feel like that when I watched you, Jake. My pleasure. Also, it was just nice to talk to people. I was talking to our friend Julia outside for quite a while. Both of us were talking about how we're both feeling,

and I don't know if you're feeling this, maybe you believe in all the stars and the astrology and all of that nonsense, or maybe it's because we're in our birthday month or something and, and possibly a lot to do with this podcast because it's sort of bringing our family together in a way, or at least for us, I think, you know, there's a dialogue that we're talking a lot about family dynamics here and also, you know, just on the phone when we're not working together. But I feel like I am in some sort of period of growth right now. I feel like a lot is happening in my life.

I feel like there's a lot of deep-rooted stuff that is coming up and I'm making peace with in a very adult way I think if you're ready if one is ready the end of your 30s is kind of about clearing out the corners do you reckon yeah yeah totally because it's like shit comes up and then you're kind of forced to see we're not even forced but you will naturally look at things differently from all the work you've done and all the wisdom you've gained. And you start reacting differently to things, not being so scared of things. Also, just not giving a shit about a lot. my 20s and my 30s I spent a lot of time really caring about how I was being perceived and how what other people thought of me basically and I really feel that slipping by the wayside I feel

like I just don't care anymore and also when I talk to younger people and see how caught up in that they still are I really just think gosh so nice to be a bit older and just not care. So they weren't lying, were they, all those women that said to us, it really does get better. You really do stop giving a shit. And you're like, oh, shut up, oldie. But it is true. You do start to just feel this freedom.

Yes. I wonder if it's also because as an older woman, people stop giving a shit about you do you think that's true do you think i'm just suddenly going to become invincible now that i'm on the other side of 40 i think there's a certain part of of us yes wow oh wow but yeah no that that is scary and that is a real thing how are you feeling about stepping into a new decade because i know you're saying i talk about the magic and the moon and the stars but a lot of what you what people talk about in aa is sort of the same kind of thing like knowing what's that really famous aa quote that's like

having the strength to know better but having the what is it i can't even remember what it is i literally can't remember it you say at the end of every meeting god grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change the courage to change the things i can and the wisdom to know the difference see lily to me that's magic that just is magic when i talk to the moon i try too often that's the kind of moon chat i have so it's not like i'm'm there going abracadabra or alakazam. That is magic to me. Right. Which is just the wisdom of your soul,

the time you spent on this planet, and the courage to know your power in your own life and in the world. Ooh. We might be ready to do some magic together. I'll get you a hat. But I wonder, I mean, I guess like, you know, social media and the internet would tell you as a woman that your power is in your beauty and your youth and your body and then maybe when you get to 30 or 40 you're like well that's those

things aren't really going for me anymore so that I'm gonna have the courage the courage to let accept the things that I cannot change and the wisdom to know the difference. So yeah, I think that there is a part of us that's probably like, yeah, I just don't really give a fuck anymore. Thank you. Thanks to everybody for all those years of anxiety. I don't care, I'm moving on. I'm going to learn how to DJ and speak Italian

and you can all go fuck yourself. Start a new life in Rome. No, but I do disagree about the, to DJ and speak Italian and you can all go fuck yourself. Start a new life in Rome. In Rome. No, but I do disagree about the... I think you do get a different... Obviously, this is because I'm 40. I have to believe this. But I do actually believe this.

I believe you gain a different kind of beauty. Ageing is very real and there are things you lose. But there are things that you gain. I have a completely different face to when I was 25 because I've got older and things have changed on my face. But that doesn't mean it's all good, but I do have a different,

like it's different. It's not just so black and white is what I mean. Anyway, I've got no fucking choice. Let's just get on with it. Let's just get on with it. Go back to school with Rogers and get Canada's fastest and most reliable internet. Perfect for streaming lectures all day or binging TV shows all night. Save up to $20 per month on Rogers Internet.

Visit Rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. In contrast to not giving a fuck, what other people think, let's talk about plastic surgery. I just asked Autumn that works with me, that 20 she's 22 I said has anyone had plastic surgery that you know and she has a friend that's had a nose job friend that's had a boob job and I feel like with nose jobs you kind of go oh good for them they must have been going through something and really wanted to like change a part of their face for a long time it must have been causing them anxiety and pain yeah but with boob jobs i think you i react differently to it but i i i do know people have had them for exactly the same reasons yeah i feel like we've been quite

harsh about plastic surgery have we yeah me particularly like cussing out people with fillers and botox and stuff and you have to remember where this comes from and why people do this in the first place. Yes. I mean, I think that some people do go too far with the fillers and the Botox and they look like thunderbirds, you know? And so I think that like, not like a bit of ridiculing is healthy or whatever, but I do think that you, we can acknowledge that that happens, right? right yes some people do look a little bit silly um but I don't think that um I don't think that we've been particularly harsh or judgmental about people having plastic surgery it's interesting isn't it because I think that

young people I mean obviously tend to have things you know yeah breast augmentation rhinoplasty because they haven't started the aging process yet so they have no need to do the things like facelifts or um eyebrow lifts or uh blepharoplasty which is the upper eye some i don't know i don't know what it is sorry sorry not that i haven't done any research on this at all. Never heard of that before. I think it might be when they do blepharoplasty. Blepharoplasty. No, bleph, bleph, B-L-E-P-H.

Again, I only just read up about it this morning. What exactly is that process? What is that treatment again? I think it's like they basically cut your eyelid in half. But what? Whose eyelids are too big? To open their eyes, open your eyes more. Because the top bit here of your eyelid, like, starts to sort of hang over a bit.

And so the idea is that you cut that out. Maybe do a little bit of lipo in there and open it all up a little bit. And then maybe do an eyebrow lift. Just little bits of plastic surgery. Okay. Yeah. I would like it all. I would like a facelift.

So I'm just putting some powder on because I'm a little bit shy. This is part of the plastic surgery chat. I'm just going to put some makeup on as we talk about plastic surgery. You'd like a facelift? Well, I didn't want one until you sort of explained to me. Basically, we did talk about this. Well, I live in New York City, right? And I may or may not have gone for a consultation

at a couple of plastic surgeons and said that I was maybe thinking about having a facelift. Do you want to know how much they quoted? $150,000. So I'm booked in for July. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking.

Well, unfortunately, now that we've got a weekly podcast, I actually can't do it because it'll take me like three weeks to recover. And unless I'm going to like sit here with like bandage face and some sunglasses on. Oh my God, no way. Like a mummy. Hello. Nothing to see here. That would actually be unbelievable. I love that Missy is now standing in the way of your face. Standing in the way of my facelift, quite frankly.

So this isn't just a facelift right this that would be very english of me to think because this is new york uptown this is like a facelift here bit of neck lift here so all of this and um and the bleph the upper bleph if we just turned blepharoplasty into just bleph yeah sorry just saying what they call it um so anyway

this is far too expensive for me and you know taking into consideration the Italian lessons and the CDJs I don't think it's going to happen

for a while and the and the vagina waxing I thought you were going to say about my vagina reconstruction surgery the labioplasty

that was I wasn't ready to talk about my vagina reconstruction surgery, the labiaplasty. I wasn't ready to talk about that. But, you know, if you want to go there, fine. It's 180 grand all in. Total reconstruction of Lily. Right. It's three smaller things that come together to give you this youthful, stretched back new appearance. It's not just a facelift.

It's actually lots of little incremental things that give this. Because now I will look for people who have this particularly good, who have had this good work done. Because this isn't 50 pound fillers. Yeah. It's funny because David and I often talk about, you know, surgery or that, you know, that I would like to have certain things done. And he always brings up people who he thinks haven't had surgery as examples of aging beautifully.

I'm always like, they've definitely had a phase. You did this to me on holiday and you just killed so many people for me. It's a horrible game to play with you. Yeah, because there's bad surgery and there's good surgery. So it's like, you know how we just talked about people that go too far and look like thunderbirds with lips and fillers. The same thing, you know, is with surgery. You can go and have like not very good facelift and a not very good nose job. And then you look like people that we all know have famously had botched surgery. Right. But there are a bunch of people who look really great, who we consider as being people who have aged very gracefully. And I are a bunch of people who look really great who we consider as being people who have aged very gracefully and I think a lot of them have had work nothing to be ashamed of no

there's also the other crew who are like they do it everyone goes that's too much and then it calms down they all go gosh she looks great and pretend that they they're like Demi Moore basically sorry Demi Moore she looks great now but remember when she first started getting work and everyone was like look at what she's done to herself

she's gone too far and then it calmed down then it's second then it's second then it's second she says I love it second it's got a second

look at me like you you'd be here mummified up waiting for your surgery everyone would be like ooh what did she do?

And then in about a year, I'd just be like, what? I'm just beautiful. It's a nice thought. It's a nice thought. But I do think you're beautiful and you don't need it now. Oh, that's what everyone says. And I just think you just stop saying that. I think we might have 50.

I think we might have 50, but I think we're good for now. Yeah, but why now? It's like preventative. Oh yeah, this theory. Yeah, because if we do it at 50, then it is really obvious. I mean, it's always going to be obvious with me because obviously I'm going to have to sit on this sofa

bandaged up with my sunglasses on. So everyone's going to know that like, I didn't have like, you know, a run in with a leek and potato soup and got second degree burns all over my face. Like obviously she's had surgery so with all this pre-chat i'm not doing myself any favors no that's good i hope miss me does continue to stand in the way of you getting surgery um one last thing to say i i just

think it makes women look you know preventative preventative. Preventative of what? Aging. And what is so scary about that? First of all, you have a different genetic makeup to me, okay? No, no, no, I'm just as scared as you. But what is it that you're most scared of? Yes, but you're going to look younger for longer than me i'm actually not you are makita you are it's very sweet and i will take it but i'm actually

okay look smile now smile now smile smile take your hands away from your face okay now look at me smiling that's not your smile though yes it is yes but i've become quite it is what i'm saying i've become quite fond of all these weird lines around my lip my mouth now i don't know i have a bit i have a bit anyway okay well you're a better person than me i'm not gonna scream at each other who thinks they need surgery more but i'm just saying i think we're good but thank you for dissecting it it's nice to know what goes on up in Park Avenue I did have lymphatic by the way everyone the world I must tell you lymphatic drainage oh my god I have not stopped eating since my birthday party like I haven't

like I've made myself a bit sick because the week before my birthday party, I was double training morning and night and basically eating broth and vegetables and fish. It was rather boring. But I got this lymphatic drainage thing and it was incredible. Like for people who don't like a massage, which is me, I really load them. It was just like being stroked for an hour and then you wake up thin. Absolutely. Absolutely loved it. Can't big up lymphatic drainage enough. Get involved if you can.

It's very good. Lymphatic drainage is great. Maybe that's it. This is what I think. I think the next 10 years should just be, you know, lymphatic drainage and pray prayer. What? Sorry, what? be um you know lymphatic drainage and um pray prayer um what sorry what the next 10 years should just be lymphatic drainage and prayer you heard it here first people what are you talking about what i'm saying is these are the things that make you beautiful from the inside and out

prayer and lymphatic drainage do you know what i mean like the combination it's not just about what you do to your face who are you inside do you know what I mean? Like the combination. It's not just about what you do to your face. Who are you inside? Do you know what? I should have got you for your birthday. It's one of those stencils and you could have put eat, pray, love in the background of your,

you like to go into your 40s. Wait a minute. Eat, pray, love. Yeah, that does sum up. Oh my God. Makita, don't. Makita, don't. Okay.

That's my new lifestyle. Oh God. Eat, pray, love.. Makita, don't. Okay. Just enough. That's my new lifestyle. Oh God. Pray not. Here we go. No, I do. I hate that film. Okay. But I do think prayer is important within beauty.

Okay. Okay. I think we'll end it there with plastic surgery chat. can we talk about the bar staff at your party quickly they were lovely i made sure they were oh no were they not they were generation zedders and they took four i would say on average like 45 minutes to serve a round of drinks i I don't know what they were doing, whether they were like TikTok-ing behind there or something, but it was very slow service. These kids, I don't know what it is,

like some sort of Gen Z entitlement or something, but it's like, you know, excuse me, please don't rush me. Yeah, there is a bit of that energy. There is a little bit. These are not works of art it's literally a gin and tonic not for me because I don't drink but other people were having you know alcoholic beverages and it was like I'm just trying to project my protect my energy field here so could you not hassle me for the drink that you've ordered it's just like get a fucking grip

and just make the drinks like what is your problem what age is jenzy younger than me younger than me too and i was with my friend kerry and her daughter sapphire who is 13 um said oh yeah yeah my friends listen to miss me so careful no i love them i love the ones that aren't annoying people that work in bars are in there... Actually, I don't want to start cussing out the hospitality sector. No, listen. We've all worked in bars. Like, we've been there.

We've done that. No, we haven't. I haven't. And neither have you. Yes, I have. I worked in that pub in Latimer Road for like two years.

I only do the bar at like, you know, my dad's parties. I quite like it then, but that's sort of play acting. I worked in a bar. I cleared glasses. I quite like it then, but that's sort of play acting. I worked in a bar. I cleared glasses. I loaded the dishwasher.

I made drinks. And it's, you know. And you made them quickly. Yeah, speedy. Speedy Gonzales I was. I was talking to someone about this the other day. I can't remember, but someone was talking about

how hard the work ethic of their parents was and in turn how it affected their work ethic of their parents was, and in turn, how it affected their work ethic. And my work ethic is very good, but wasn't always, not in the beginning. And my mum's work ethic, she was always just trying to get by, not necessarily working really hard. She just had to always be doing things to try and make any money. So I don't know what's happened for such a huge portion of um of a later generation to have a completely different work ethic to the one i've seen in the last sort of three gens it was like most generations knew they had to work their fucking ass off to make things happen in their life and to get things and now it feels like there's been a real cultural shift. What do you mean? What's the cultural shift?

Deigning to work sort of in the way that I'm just used to, which is like constantly and weekends if it needs it. Enjoying work like you enjoy your social life. Maybe that is just me. And expecting more for less they're quite boundary gen z aren't they with it's a lot about what they need and i maybe i'm just jealous because when i was young i couldn't talk about the things that i needed i just had to get on with it and go to work still can't i mean actually that's not true i'm slightly getting

better although i have i've not been used to it and I feel like now I'm as I'm sort of getting a little bit older and going through this period of growth um I'm noticing things that I don't like and making notes of them and thinking next time this comes around I'm going to make sure that I don't have to do that because I think I'm in a position now where I can make those kind of calls um But I feel like a lot of Gen Zers are coming straight out the gates going like, no, not doing that. Yes. And it's your job to protect me from this and from that.

And I need my space here and I need to protect my mental health. And this is what I believe to be toxic. Whereas we would never have been able to say something was toxic. No, and P.S., can I have a raise? That's the situation I was in, someone that was working less and less and then wanted more and more money. I was like, but you're not even in the game anymore. It's just extraordinary to me,

but maybe it's just a completely different experience to what we had, so maybe there is some sense of envy. Well, I don't think they're getting paid more, but you know, inflation is at an all time high. So it's, it's got to be pretty hard for them now. Yeah. Also, I remember, you know, when we were young, there was a lot, especially like in the creative industries, there was a lot of, you know, having to work for free for a long time in order to get your foot through the door. Yeah. Where's that gone? Well, I mean, I think that that is a lot of the reason that we have this like nepo baby conversation with our generation, because it's

only people that are financially comfortable enough or come from families with enough wealth, disposable income to support their children while their children are working right so it's only families that have got money that can afford to do that we got called nepo babies the other day it really pissed me off we got called nepo I'm I'm called a nepo baby all the time I actually don't really mind the nepotism thing it's the baby thing that annoys me. It's like I'm 40 years old nearly. Yeah, but it's meant to belittle us. It's meant to make you seem like a silly baby.

It's meant to be infantilizing. Exactly. Yes. And also I think it's something that's almost exclusively used for women. I don't think I can even really name any male nepo babies. Does Lennon Gallagher get called a nepo baby? I don't think he does as much as like Iris Law would.

No. Well, there you go. Point proven. Also just my brother, for instance, he doesn't really get called a Nepo baby. Never. And I do. And, you know, I feel like a lot of the time, you know, over the past 15, 20 years when I've been written about about it will always say like Lily Allen daughter of Keith Allen and Alice No and I don't see that happening with boys as often as it does with girls it's always like when we're talking about women in these spaces we have to come

that there's like a sort of a follow-up of like what it really was that put them there um and you know there's an element of truth to it. Like, you know, like I grew up in a certain class bracket and I grew up, you know, in and amongst people that worked in the media. And I don't really think I've ever really disputed that. Yes, but your dad's not Rod Stewart. He's Keith Allen, who's just a comedian on telly. He's got nothing to do with it.

I don't think it matters. I don't think it's really relative. I think it does when you become a pop star. Yes, but in our world, yes, that matters. But if you come from relative poverty, I don't really think there's that much difference between Keith Allen and Rod Stewart. Obviously there is, but I just think that in terms of

your proximity to privilege, it's privileged, right? But I will say that nepo babies, I think is quite like Karen in the sense that it's just a word that's basically used for women who are taking up space. And we'd rather that they didn't, they should just go away. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you, because I'm going to take up some mothbags. I'm going to take up mothbags, bitch.

Taking up this bitch. Taking up this bitch. Sorry, sorry. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. 39 is still just as valid as 40. What are you going to do for yourself today on your 39th birthday, Lily?

For the last few years on my birthday, I haven't really done anything. I mean, I did do... I had a birthday dinner in London last year because I came back to London and I organised it. But, you know, I don't really have that many friends in New York. You know, I told the kids yesterday when I picked them up from school,

it's my birthday on Thursday, so I imagine they'll make me some sort of birthday breakfast. What about the red box? There's a big red box in my dressing room for my husband. He's not here. He's in Atlanta, so he's not going to be here to shower me with gifts, but he's sent me a gift, which I'm being very patient with and not opening.

Yeah, he gave it to her on Monday and said it's like a big red box with a bow you can't open this till Thursday yeah and it's just sitting in my dressing room and yeah I'll open it at some point just celebrate yourself I don't really I'll celebrate a big birthday but I don't really care about this birthday I don't really care about my birthday generally to be honest well I'll make you care when those private surprises arrive and they arrive oh you'll care then yeah all right officially and and happy birthday my love thank you happy birthday and celebrate yourself today and we promise from next week we really are going to stop talking about aging and turning 40 and birthdays. That whole section of the month is done now.

But we will see you next week. Felissum, bitch. Oh, God, influence. Oh, God, influence. I feel a bit confused by influence. It's going to be fine. People will ask the questions and we will answer them honestly. That's the whole point.

That's all we have to do. That's the only job here. That's all we have to do that's the only job here it's all we have to do i'll see you monday see you monday thanks for listening to miss me with lily allen and makita oliver this is a persophonica production for bbc sounds hey it's dua lipa and i'm at your service this is my podcast where i bring you This is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds. Here's my platform. into it with guests like Mo Farah, Dita Von Teese, Charlie XCX, Monica Lewinsky, and many, many more. I need freedom. Here's my platform. Let me shut up. You come and step on it. Plus fresh episodes featuring Billie Eilish,

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