Miss Me? - Shine

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

Miquita Oliver catches up with Jordan Stephens in Thailand to discuss forgetting things, Bad Bunny and the joy of parks.This episode contains very strong language, adult themes and discussions of sex. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Oliver Geraghty Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, adult themes, discussions about sexual abuse. But we also had a kind of a good time, even with all that in it. Even with all that at the party. Welcome to the award-winning Miss Me podcast. Unbelievably, we are international again because Jordan, the selfish bastard that he is has taken himself on holiday. In his 14-year-late gap, yeah. Yeah, well, I wish it was a gap year.

Yeah, you wish, because you've got a job to do, actually. It's two weeks. I've gone away for a mere 14 days, and people are acting like I've been away for a year. You're finally, yeah, you're finally letting the freelance creative spirit not be held down by the pressure of work and be free. I get it. I'm trying to go away as much as possible this year.

I can't stand this. I can not. I don't want to get into it because we did this after Sri Lanka, but people know how I feel. No, I was just going to say that's, There's good news for the Miss Me Tech team. No, no, no, no. Listen, next week, well, I'm still away.

We'll be fine. Yeah. We'll be fine. It's actually so similar to Sri Lanka. It's comical. So Sri Lanka went to the mountains, absolute nightmare, had to find someone with their own personal router.

Now, Ruta. An experience we never wanted to do again. Again, and here I am again. Kupon Yang actually got the internet, but may have forgotten some equipment by accident. and... Excuse me. But also...

Wait, wait, wait. And also... You are joking, because you... On my weekend, I had to send you that fucking camera in a courier. So what else did you forget, Jordan? God, hey this more seriously. I did forget the camera. The one I sent to you.

You are joking. Miquita. That was actually really annoying. That was my only day off. I was like, fine, be a good person. Sort this camera out for Jordan. I had packed my bags, yes. I have an issue with things that are hidden.

It was in a little bag and I went to, I don't know what happened between the courier giving it to me and me sat down. My fucking mum was there. I don't know what happened, bro, but it was in a bag. So what's going on? So what are we doing now? Are you recording on your laptop?

On my phone? On your phone? Yeah. It better look good, Jordan. It better look good. It probably won't. But next week, but next week, no, Keith's. Next week.

lit. Next week is going to be lit. But the funny up moment was, before you sat down, there was actually an entire power outage only in my room in this hotel. So there's currently an engineer. I was part of it. It's currently an engineer with a ladder. And in place of me being in my room, I'm now in the hotel reception,

which they've abandoned. I was that where you are in reception. Makeda, I'm sat in the seat of the woman who checks people in. What if... No. No. Yes.

If a person comes in, I have to direct them down to the beach. Okay, cool, you're not going to fake check them in. I can't fake check them in. So you're at reception. Okay, cool. They're all down on the beach. That's actually an extraordinary place to record Miss me from. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Listen, firstly, I feel awful about it, if that makes feel better. I feel absolutely dreadful. I thought it would be really easy. Can I say I had everything else in the bag, the normal bag, packed. I was all sit up and chilling before it was the Wi-Fi. There's one mistake. because the bloody thing was in a bank. Also, Keith, I'm not going to try to flip it back,

but we know what happened with that camera, and that wasn't wholly down to me. I passed it over to you, and then you left it in Sri Lanka. No, we're both ourselves at the moment. Anyway, we're here. So tell us why you're in Thailand. I haven't you gone there.

So look, I want to be clear about this too. Usually on Miss Me or in myself, I would, of course, make it very clear I'm understanding of the grey weather in England because I just came from there. It's rainy and it's rubbish and the news is rubbish, which we're going to talk about. But do you know what I did today, Keats? And yesterday, Keats, I posted pictures.

And I'll tell you this, I never post pictures and I'm a holiday because I think about that. I think like, why am I trying to make everyone feel away about da-da-da-da? You know, I don't want people to be sat there and then I'm here. I have got a picture I took today and I was going to put Blackwall Tunnel as the location just to really rub it in. But I am proudly here because I'm starting to feel as if people need to know. know that where we reside in the West in England, I think it's a scam. I think people should understand they can escape. I have a slightly, well, that's interesting because I wanted to talk about all the wonderful parks we have in London after watching Wild London with David Attenborough

this week. Yeah, it's the best we can do, isn't it? Parks. So don't worry, it will be tempered with my obsession with this city. So don't worry, you can, you know, I mean, I love London. Okay, great, there you. There you. Which I'd also, that's on my list. I really, my main thing is, when I passed my driving test is to get in a car and drive and try and see all of England. What do you mean? Have you not been around England? Yeah, T4 Summer Tour.

I went to places that I never thought I'd go. But I saw parts of England and the whole country that I love and I want to know more about. But I've never been to the late district. Yes. So anyway, but I just want to say I have a bit of a weird relationship with Thailand because I don't think I've, no, I haven't been back since I was in the tsunami. And it did somewhat.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Somewhat fucked it for me Pull up. What did you just say? You know I was in the tsunami. I did not know you're in a tsunami. Did you not? What the fuck are you talking about? 2004.

Yeah, I was in it with Simon Amstall. Yeah. Deeply in it. That has, that has blown my little traveling minds. How have I never told you about my greatest trauma? Well, I didn't think it was my trauma. And then when we were in Sri Lanka, Camden goes to me. I know people who died in that shit, man.

I literally like, literally my mom lost my mom literally lost friends. Yeah, a lot of people that we were with died, like people that were staying at our hotel. Very heavy. Very heavy. Have you ever spoken about that on this podcast? Yeah, but with Lily who's heard it a million times when she was slightly more flippant in her response because she knows. I was in the tsunami. I can't believe you don't know that. I can't believe, I'm actually, not to get too deep, but like, that is the real trauma because you've literally not ever said that to me.

I didn't know you then. Yeah, you did. I was 20. So you were like 10. I didn't. I didn't. I went to a 25th birthday. And you still didn't know who I was.

Don't let me do this again. Okay, it might have been just before we met. I introduced myself to you like 58 times before you knew me. And one of them was like your 21st birthday. So I wasn't. Okay. But our families were in time, but we hadn't met.

Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Okay, I totally understand. But no, but the thing is, you saw how I ran into those waves in Sri Lanka. I love the ocean and the sea. And I didn't, I don't think it's messed up my relationship with the sea. But it might have, like, seeped into otherwise. The beach here is unreal. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, But I mean, for the sake of argument, you could, you know, exposure therapy might be a thing. What does that mean? Like, do it. Go to Thailand, specifically getting the sea, realize it's safe, rather than create an idea in your mind that it's always scary. But the things like, that's what I'm saying.

I love the sea. I'm just a bit scared of the Thailand sea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm not qualified to suggest that you do exposure therapy. However, I have heard that it's effective. You know what's crazy? Me and Jade watched a video of that tsunami. I don't work here.

Fuck sake. We watched the video of that scene. It's weird. Of maybe many, someone thinking that Jordan actually works at the hotel. Hello. Oh, all good?

Oh, thank you. Sorry, I got confused. I can't see you properly. It's very sweet that they've let you sit in this really quite important seat. Oh, God, that was the guy you let me into the thing.

He changed his t-shirt. Oh, my God. I just redirected the hotel manager. Yeah, but why was he asking you for directions? No, he wasn't. I thought he was checking in. He just brought me in here. He's changed his t-shirt.

I'm fucked. Stop it. Okay, look, look, so check it. What was your hand to say? What was trying to say? Hold on. You and Jade watched a video of tsunami. Yeah, we watched the video of tsunami.

And when we were stayed, we had the absolute privilege. This is a 100% of privilege, which I hope everybody could do. But we did stay in Maldives once, me and Jade. Unbelievably beautiful place, okay? Like, it's actually, it's almost confusing. It's so beautiful. And, you know, they got the huts in the sea. Jade was waking up in the night

in panic because she kept dreaming that we would wake up and the sea wouldn't be there because of this video we watched off the tsunami because you know the whole thing with the tsunami is the sea disappears. Yes, I watched that happen Jordan. You watched the sea. What did you?

Wait, so did you run up a mountain? How did you survive? Yes, yes, by running up a mountain. I basically, me and Simon were sitting there and then there was the, it was boxing day. I was hung over. He doesn't drink. drink. So he woke me up. And if I had stayed asleep, a lot of the other people perished

that stayed in their hearts. But he took us to the beach in front of our hotel. And then I can't explain it. It just looked like a sky. It's just like suddenly the boy. I can't explain it. The wait just became tall in a way that just like was inhumane. I was like, I just don't understand what the fuck's going on. But Simon was like, we should run. And I was like, don't be embarrassing. This is obviously some Thai thing. and I don't want to look like a tourist. And we did that for a minute. And then I realized the height of the wave was coming from the sea,

retracting back up. And that freak, I've never seen anything like that. Everyone was screaming and we ran and, yeah. That is. It was like a whole 12-hour ordeal. Yeah, I probably am quite traumatized from it. And I thought Simon had died and I lost him and it was just fucking horrible. I can't fucking believe this.

I can't fucking. believe this. It's really bad. Okay. Keats, have I told you a story about the chef on that boat that sank? What? It's an amazing story. Miss me listeners might like it.

Okay. So in terms of exposure therapy, I think you'll find this interesting. It sunk, right? But obviously they had this rescue team come in and they had a scuba diver, but the scuba diver was connected by Writers up to the whatever it was, bit thing up the top. And you can watch us on YouTube. by the way. I'm doing a poor example of explaining this.

So he can basically see the scuba diver and he's gone down into the wreckage and he's basically looking round and he's reporting the dead bodies and how many people are there and whatever was going on. He opens one cabin, right? It's on video and he's searching through it and a hand comes out

of nowhere, right? And like grabs him and he's like, what's going on? And he's like, oh my God, we've got someone alive, got someone alive. There was the chef, right? This guy, I'm pretty sure he's African. This guy is alive because basically for some reason in his room there's this tiny pocket of air

that had been trapped even though it was below water and he had been stuck on top of this bit of water with a mattress yeah on a mattress he was there for three days right he survived from a fizzy drink right there's a can of fizzy drink that was just floating and he was sipping it for some reason right the guy saves it the guy goes up to him

and he goes oh my god I got someone I got someone he goes have you ever scuba dive before The guy's like, no. He's like, well, I'm going to have to give you a quick lesson. Like he's saying this to him in real life. Puts the guy's helmet on, takes him out, right? Saves his life. Okay.

That guy then did a course to become a professional scuba diver. And now that chef teaches scuba diving. So he immediately, instead of being, which I would have been crippled with fear of the idea of ever getting underwater again, he immediately made it his life instead. Isn't that wild? He just became a scuba diver. Yeah, but like if I was going to face this fear head on in this way, I should be in the water as much as possible. No, no, you just have to come to Thailand.

Right, I can do that. You just have to go to Thailand and chill on the beach for four days. Absolutely fine. I think I was in, I think we were in Kosovo. Oh no, Kopan Yang. That's where I am now. Well, there you go. I just need to do a bit more about Pox.

This is in response to me watching Wild London, right? I've been trying to talk about this for about a month. I've missed me. It's David Attenborough. But for the first time, he turns the cameras on London. He's never done that before, okay? Yeah. He's gone all around the world.

And it is so interesting because not only do you get to see those beautiful shots that are usually reserved for the Serengeti, but actually it's just like, you know, like North London. But it's just like great. There's all these beautiful drone shots. You really get to see the city from above. And it starts with like foxes and you're like, okay, whatever. But it gets into so many different parts of the city with all this incredible wildlife.

Why are you yawning? You would love this. That's so weird. I didn't mean to. Okay. It is nine o'clock here. Is it nine at night? Yeah.

Oh, babe. I know. Don't you worry. I'm aware. Oh, my God. You must be knackered. I'm so sorry. I'll just talk about the parks of London quickly then.

But it's an absolute breach out. I found out my friend Jesse. You know my friend Jesse. His brother Joe, Longcrain, shot him. and it's beautifully shot. I like the foxes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all that foxes.

But it made me think about this city and yes, while you, you know, stroll around the white sand beaches of Thailand and people feel like, okay, well, we're at home and it is unbelievably rainy here at the moment. But I love the parks that we have in this city and there are beautiful parks all around the country but I will talk about what I know in the city that I live in.

But, you know, we have like 3,000, 3,000, 3,000, green spaces in London. There are the Royal Parks, and then they started the People's Parks, like Victoria Park. We've got these beautiful Royal Parks, Richmond, Bushy Park, High Park, Green Park, St. James's Park. St. James's Park is nuts. It's like ancient because it's got this kind of like old cottage on the lake. It looks like the 17th century. And then I swear to God, there are stalks.

There are actually stalks in St. James's Park. If you go to St. James's Park, it literally feels like you're living in the 17th century. It's so beautiful. I love that. And Richmond, I think there are How many did they say? Yeah, there's a bunch of deer there. Should I remember that video in Richmond Park?

Fenton. You remember that video? See, you're not even online, man. I am online. I'm just on New York Times. I've not seen Fenton. I've not seen Fenton, bro. The guy loses his dog in Richmond Park

and he's chasing his deer and he's going, Fenton! Fenton! I'm happy it knocks your socks off. I love it. shit doesn't do it. I love shit like that. I love little videos, man. I fucking love it. I know you. I know you do. So I think we're very lucky. And I'm going to spend as much time in every park in this city as I can. So if you want to do something this weekend, why don't you

go check out your local green spaces? Never know what you might find. Walking in nature is an essential part of well-being. You have to go to parks. Not Hayward-Tieth, not Hamstead-Heath, Unreal. What's your favourite? Oxley's Woods. Green space. Okay, so these are your favourite green spaces. Hamstead Heath, place of my conception beautiful where's Oxley Woods Sorry conception

Your mom banged on Hampstead Heath My mom and dad had sex once And it was on Hampstead Eve I thought it's Primrose Hill No Your mom's living our life right You ever banged in a park before

I told you I haven't But I would love to Yeah I was thinking about all the shit I've done in parks though Oh you've done other stuff No you've never been fingered in a park Yes I have been fingered in a park In Ealing

It was in Ealing And it was, no, he was fit. Oh my God, fingering, it's hilarious. Anyway, enjoy a green space, but how have you managed to watch the Super Bowl with Bad Bunny if you're in Thailand and you've been in transit? You didn't? I watched clips, yeah.

Okay, well, that would do. What did you think? Yeah, yeah, I got the energy. What I was hoping he did, he delivered? Bad Bunny's great. Let's just say he starts the fucking performance in the fields. Sugarcane fields. So from the minute I saw that, I was like, okay, we're here to tell powerful messages

and we're here to use art to say what we want to say about the moment in time that we're all living in. No matter how you feel about anything, you cannot deny that the world is on fire. And then to have a kind of like, you know, fully Spanish performance, like there is no English in this performance. Or maybe the gar-gar bit she sings in English. Yeah, fine, the gar-go bit. Yeah, she does. And then he's bringing out these like Hispanic, legendary creative. tips were talking Ricky fucking Martin.

Legend. Ricky Martin came to this performance. And then did you see that there was like Pedro Pascal and Jessica Alba and everyone like sort of dancing in the back? It was a beautiful thing. I was like, this is powerful. This is fucking happening. Kendrick Lamar and then Bad Bunny.

This is what I'm saying. Bear in mind. Bad Bunny cancelled his North American tour because he knew that Ice agents were just to port. The Puerto Ricans coming to see him. Although they'd at least try. Puerto Rico is part of America so bad bunnies is an American citizen many of us Puerto Rican fans be American citizens

however there are obviously a risk that some fans who either look Puerto Rican or are you know whatever like are in risk of being deported. By ice. Yeah that's one thing. Let's have a break. Let's have a break. We're back.

We're back now. So apparently, Jordan, I didn't know this. There was an anti-half-time show. It did have a name. This little shindig down the road. It was called the All-American anti-Halftime show. Sorry, just half-time show, not anti. That was me.

The All-American halftime show. And, yeah, 20 million people watched it. So they got an audience. I think Super Bowl Bad Bunny is 136 million or something. Yeah, headline by Kid Rock. Who else? Perfect. Kid Rock.

Because look, they're all about freedom, aren't they? Freedom of speech. Yeah, sure. That actually hurts to hear you say that. I know, but that's what they're running on. But I mean, it's so weaponised that it actually hurts. It's horrible. Yeah, it hurts.

Same here. To have something like freedom of speech weaponised for such hate. It hurts physically. Who knows? I mean, this is in my opinion, obviously. Trump's all over. Everything we want to talk about state, he was appalled by the performance. He says, appalled by it.

Is that what we said? He didn't enjoy it. He was like, aren't you meant to talk about it? to be like shacking out to kid rock down the road it's fine this wasn't you know what this wasn't for you yes i i am so shocked that trump didn't enjoy bad bunny i thought it was bloody beautiful i did i thought it was um i thought it was powerful but also i don't really like i have to be honest i don't love bad bunny's music it's all a bit reggaeton for me personally that is a hilarious sentence isn't it by the time they bought gasoline i was in like

please tell me this isn't his song. Nat was like, no, it's not. But I do... What are you talking? That's a banger. Gasolina is top, top hundred songs ever. But I understand Bad Bunny to be a creative, powerful spirit in this world who is making work and art that is deeply emotional and important and means something and is changing things.

And I respect that and I see him and I feel him in my heart. And in these somewhat fiery, terrifying times... Yeah. it's good to see beacons of light shining in huge spaces like the Super Bowl. Yeah, the pride of... Shine with your native tongue. Do you know what I mean? Yes.

Yeah, it's great. Great artist. I really love his gender fluidity. Like, he just kind of vibes out. And he is literally, just to be clear, for anyone who's confused, he's literally one of the biggest artists on the planet. I know. Sometimes I'm not.

Most listen to... If not the biggest. Like, this is the funny thing because he's in Spanish. People think, oh my God, we've got this niche Latin. No. This guy is honestly bigger than all the people you're thinking of. Like, give you an example, just to level it out. Bad Bunny's been top three, most listened to artists and Spotify probably for the last

seven, eight years. Shut up. Beyonce is 35 just to put it into perspective. Obviously, Beyonce was big before streaming, but just to put into perspective, like, yeah, of his power right now. But the things, I read this great piece with him in Vanity Fair about six months ago. And I was like, geez, he's on the club. cover of vanity fair.

Yeah. And he was in that film about trains. Bullet train. Bullet train. Banger. Great film. And, you know, I was quite interested in him and Kendall. I was like, that's quite a beautiful kind of powerful pairing.

Yeah, man. Oh, shit. And they rode horses like bear back together and shit. That's dope. That's what I'm talking about, bro. That's right. I was like, funny on a horse. Let's go.

Bunny on a horse. With a Kardashian. Kendall's the one he did the Pepsi thing, right? Yes, but come on. Love that. Love that. she sold racism already and now bad bunnies come back to do it again. That's insane.

It's like, you don't even do it. Remember Kendall did it. It's fine. She solved racism. No. It was really interesting to read the Vanity Fair piece because the interview was spent like a few weeks with him in Puerto Rico and like in his old house with his grandma and all his friends and family.

It's a fucking big deal what he's done. So have you got another customer? Have you? No, one of the reception is that she's come back now. Great, so she can take the people checking in and you can get back for your other job making this podcast. Right. Right, sorry.

The Epstein files. Today I saw it as an inbox and it just fucked me up a bit. I don't know what. They've put the emails into an inbox so you can go through them like that. That's what you're saying. I remember the fact that is it, is it, Gislane. Jilene Maxwell. Jilene.

I don't know how other women feel, but that was a really huge part of my terror around this whole story since it started, since it came out, was that this woman had been so complicit in putting other women in these awful, terrifying situations and smiling through it.

And I just, I remember I watched this film about Betty Page, you know, that pin-up in the 50s. And when she's young, she's gang raped. And in the scene where she's taken to that inevitable, terrible moment in her life, there's women in the car, and that's why she gets in the car. And I just always have found that

just to be the most terrifying idea that a woman could lead you to something that a woman could, only a woman could understand the terror within that situation. For the last few years, Jordan, I've really been trying to, like, work on my relationship with my trust with men, like in my life. And also really trying to, after being, like, as I said, having so many bad relationships and just trying to find the men in my life and why I love them, right? You've been one of them. Theo, my cousin. Suleiman, my cousin, my dad's been one of them, really falling in love with the men in my life and coming from a place of understanding and understanding the experience of men

and how men react to things because of what men have been through that I maybe cannot understand. And when things like this happen, it just destroys things that you've been building in your head to try and kind of make you understand people more. Yeah. I can't really, firstly, I can't obviously even really understand that experience from a female perspective at all because it, like you say, it like compounds on experience, you know, and then like sends it through the roof. And there's a lot of women who just like are like, fuck men. That's it. Cut out. Not engaged. This is what I don't want to get to that place. In the same breath, yeah, it's difficult me saying that as a man because the reality is I understand. When I arrived here on holiday, I spent the first like four hours just. you know, battling with this whole thing of, you know, is it all men? Do I mean? Like, I, like, you know, I obviously resent absolutism. I really, I'm not into it.

Absolutism, extreme. Like, I don't, I don't, but it's just like, fuck me, man. Yeah, the evidence is piling up in the other direction. I was just going to say, this is a lot of the work I've been doing. And it's like there are two choices in life. You have to either approach things from fear or love. And I guess this is the way to approach all of this. Even in the face of all this,

I will still love and trust and care. The world can bring all that down on you and feel so heavy. Like this contorted, mutated idea that with power comes a freedom to exploit. Like I would never in a hundred million years ever, ever, ever in my life, want to be in the body or soul of any of those men engaged in anything to do with that situation because they are empty. I have to believe basically that like it's something to do. It's something in the development of boys.

is something separates at a point. And I think that's the real issue. There's a separation of mind from body and it's horrible. I arrived in Thailand. It was like, maybe that's it. Maybe I'd give up. Maybe men are just fucked and I've just like managed to escape some kind of shit. And you can't give up.

That's exactly what you can't do. You can't give up. The world has taught us that in the face of this shit, there's that great Fanny Hammer quote. And this is in the face of like Jim Crow America in the South poverty and enslavement. And she says, I just got sick and tired

of being sick and tired. Yeah. So it's just like, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. So I will throw love into the world because of this shit.

And I'll throw love. That's the one because that's the most fucked up thing about life is that we end up often because of how pain works. We end up becoming the thing that hurt us

in order to cope, in order to cope with it. But not if you try another way. But let's save this for love. Listen, bitch. Enjoy. we agree in space. I really have to go today because you were so long setting up in your new reception area and your new job at your hotel in Thailand. Listen, Miss Me means everything to me

obviously. Otherwise, I would have taken a fucking break. I would have, I would have just rung Zawi and been like, sort me out. I'm on holiday. Do you know what? I, I, um, I, there is a possibility that I might be around the world quite a lot this year as well. Um, so should we ask the listeners, the wonderful listeners of business? Yes. Who they would like to see stand in. For either of us, by the way. Let's ask the listeners, for either of of us, who would you like to see dance this dance? Oh, I like that. Because I think it's a very specific thing.

I like this. Yeah, let's bring in our beautiful audience to play with us. So yes, what a journey this conversation has taken, but I would say I'd like it to, I really would like people to lean in to enjoy the green's faces around you because we're so lucky we have them and it's free. Enjoy Thailand. Thanks, babes. You enjoy yourself.

I'll still be in Thailand for Listen, Bitch. Have some Thai adventures. Oh yeah, I'll see you for Listen Bitch on Monday. I'll try not to be tied down. No, okay. Oh, my God, we really are done. I might be too tired because of the time difference. The time difference. Okay.

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