Miss Me? - So Scandalous

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss Liam Payne, famous scandals and presidential candidates on podcasts.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. BBC Sounds music radio podcasts. This episode of Miss Me has very strong language and serious adult themes. It's good to be home. I wish we were hosting gladiators. Should we bring it back? Absolutely. I wish we were hosting gladiators. Should we bring it back? Absolutely, but it's...

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I just came back from skipping, so I'm in a particular like, I'm an athlete. I play sports, play, So I really do play sports. Well, I am a black belt in Pilates and strength and conditioning. So like, what's good? Yeah, this week, yeah. You look quite toned.

You look like you've been. My abs are looking mean at the moment. Yeah, look at you today. Look at you today, you cropped top and your little jeans. I know a classic Lily outfit when I see one. Thank you very much. When the abs are out. How have you been, sweetheart?

I have been okay. I've been okay. I haven't really talked to you. I know. We haven't really spoken that much this week. I've been sort of quite busy. David Harbour has been in New York this week, back from Atlanta. So I've been quite busy with him. David Harbour has been in New York this week, back from Atlanta.

So I've been quite busy with him. You know, he needs tending to my husband. And so not like that. Well, yes, like that, but also other ways. Like a garden, he needs to be tended to. He's a flower and I am a gardener. Oh my God, that's really beautiful. He's, yeah, he needs pruning.

We went for a date last night. We went for a date last night. We went to have sushi. It was delicious. Then we went to see a film called Rumors with Cate Blanchett in it. It was not good. And we left about 30 minutes in.

That must have been really shit. It was pretty bad. But it was quite late, I was quite tired, and I knew I had to get up early to do this Miss Me recording. To call me. You know how dedicated I am to this, to our professional endeavors. He sleep-talked in his sleep last night,

that was quite funny. And it reminded me of, my mom told me that once I was in her bed and I just sat up in the middle of the night and went, well, you certainly won't be getting that promotion now, will you, Sergeant? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It says a lot about your energy while you're dreaming. Running an army! You certainly won't be getting that promotion now will you Sergeant? Power dreams! Of course, of course.

What did David say? It was more work, it was more like something about the trailer or going to set. I can't quite remember because I was half asleep well, but it was quite unusual for him. He doesn't usually sleep at all. Yeah, maybe this is something for his 50s. He's turning 50 soon. He is. We're both big, big milestones next year.

He is 50, I am 40. Fucking hurry up. I can't do this anymore without you. I can't be here. I hate remembering you're 30s. I've got nine months left. Yes, I know. A whole pregnancy term left of being in your 30s. I've got nine months left. Yes, I know. A whole pregnancy term left of being in your 30s.

Yeah, I could have a baby still in my 30s. What do you mean? Well, like if I got pregnant, if I was pregnant right now, I could have the baby and still be in my 30s. Yeah, get on that. That's actually not true because pregnancy is 10 months. I don't know why people lie and say it's nine months. It's not, it's 42 weeks is full term.

That is 10 months. That's interesting you're saying it because I have like two friends that are like really, like Anna Carlin in New York, Anna, is like so overdue. And it's like, maybe you're not overdue. Maybe it's just another month always. It's just another way that the patriarchy tries to put us down. It's like, come on, it's only nine months. No, it's just another month always. It's just another way that the patriarchy tries to put us down.

It's like, come on, it's only nine months. No, it's ten months. Oh, right. How many times does four go into 42? Ten plus two. So that's ten months. What the fuck? Right. We just figured that out.

Right, okay. That's quite a big revelation. Pregnancy is not nine months. Anyway, about you being so young and virile. Well, somebody else that's very young and virile is Billie Eilish, who was our first and only guest that we've had on this show thus far. Bilzy Boo. Yeah, I went to see her play at Madison Square Garden. I took the girls, two friends and the cousins,

and then me and David went also, but we sat in the Warner Brothers box, in slightly better seats, I might add. Well, and they went like to the floor, they did it hard. No, they were like, you know, a few rows behind us, but they were, I think it's quite good, because when I went to Sabrina Carpenter with them, like I noticed that like, you know, Marnie and Ethel were,

you know, wanting to like rave it up a little bit but were a bit embarrassed in front of me. Yeah. And so I think it's quite nice for them to, you don't really want to let go in front of your mum, do you? No. My mum and Sarah Martin did it perfectly, Auntie Sarah. Shout out Sarah.

She used to run MTV Europe, so she used to get us tickets and they got for my 11th birthday Smashing Pumpkins and it was eight of us on one side of Wembley Arena and then mom and Sarah on the other that's what you need to be in the arena but on the other side yes well that's like basically what we did so they had a lovely time did you talk to Billy I did not we didn't go backstage I didn't even attempt it this time. Are we not there yet with Billy? I thought we might be.

Well, we actually got given the post-show passes, but I just lied to the girls and said they were for an after-party because I couldn't deal with the humiliation. Luckily, they don't have to miss me at that time. Yeah, so we did that. I thought it was a really amazing show, production-wise. I thought the sound was terrible.

I couldn't hear her. Surely Madison Square Garden knows how to do good sound. Oh, well, I think it's part of this thing a little bit, what we were talking about last week, is that the show is built for shareability rather than actually the experience. Right, so the screens have sound. or shareability rather than actually the experience. Right, so the screens have sound.

No, just like, just the way that the stage was built. The stage was built in the middle of the arena, because usually it's right, you know, it's at the end and the sound comes out, right? So this was like the stage was in the middle and everyone is around the stage. And they had, you know, the speakers and everything. And maybe we were just in a particularly bad place,

but I just thought that the show hadn't been built with the sound in mind. It had been built so that it looks good on people's iPhones. Right, right, right. So that they can share it. I felt like that was the priority. I may be wrong, and also maybe my ears are just fucked because I'm old, but I just love her and she is so stunning.

I know why she's so pretty. I don't know. Can we hurry up and get to 40, please? Come on. Oh, she's such a little sweetheart. I wanted to talk about Billy because when we met her, we were something we both really realized how protected she was, didn't we? We were like, fuck, that is a lot of people, but they seem to care about her, and she seemed to be in charge.

And also she works very closely with her brother, and her mom is on the team. I think everything has to go through her mom. So she's, yeah, there's definitely a very strong support network in and around her. Yeah, because with this, the horrible news of Liam Payne and his death, like unexpected out of nowhere death of this young man that most people in this country know,

we know who this person is. He's extremely famous and has been since he was really, really young. And I was away for Sasha's 30th birthday. And Mabel came, my cousin Mabel, who is 28 now, Mabel is, and has been a singer and a pop star and all of that for a few years. And I didn't know she knew Liam,

and she was just completely heartbroken about the loss of a friend, but also she just seemed terrified, like honestly like a scared, like kind of little animal that didn't know whether she wanted to stay in this industry anymore actually. I don't think it, I don't think many young artists feel protected in any way.

And I don't really know where blame is being laid for the death of Liam Payne, but there is an autopsy report now. Yeah, I think that the general consensus is that drugs were involved. I don't know, it's purely speculation. And having been on the receiving end of speculation, I wouldn't want to gossip, but obviously it's tragic.

And yeah, I guess it does raise questions about support for young artists. I mean, I think that he's a specific type of artist. He was a specific type of artist. What do you mean fame very early? Well, he came from X Factor, right? And the word that we use around, you know, artists that come from shows like that

is manufactured, right? They're manufactured bands. And who benefits from that? It's like, it's about profit, profit margins. And yeah, I don't think that these people necessarily care about the wellbeing of the people involved that are putting in all of the work and the energy and have to deal with all of the, you know,

beyond the receiving end of the backlash, you know? Yeah, I mean, I think that he had been mocked quite tirelessly in the press. And they've obviously changed the, I mean, there's a recent article saying selflessly in pain, and they're using completely different adjectives. But I thought it was interesting what Cheryl said as someone that has a child with him, Cheryl Cole, who has a child with him, and it, who has a child with him and was just like a human beings died. And it really like there does need to be accountability. I don't know where the accountability lies, but I wonder what it would take for things to change. I protection be put into people who work in the creative industry, particularly

pop stars who are vulnerable to attack at all times for no reason? Well, let me just let me chime in here. As far as I know, when I and I'm you know, haven't really done much research on it. But from my own experience, you know, the people that make the most money out of music are publishers and major record labels, right? And the people that go out and do the sort of man, the labor in terms of like promoting the work and performing the work and you know, in a lot of cases writing the work as well, some maybe not so much, but these big companies take all of the money. And also they, but they are not employers of the artists.

The artists are freelancers. So they are independent entities that are licensed by these record companies and by publishers and whoever else. And so they don't have a duty of care. They don't have a duty of care. They don't have a duty of care because everyone is self-employed. Which is why so many young artists

put their family in place. Well, there's no access to HR. So if you work for a record company and somebody sexually assaults you or somebody offers you drugs and makes you feel uncomfortable, then you are protected because you are an employee of the record company or the publisher or whoever. But the artist isn't because they

are self-employed, they are licensed by the record company. So maybe it's to do, maybe the solution is to completely restructure how these things work and so that the artists become employees of the record company and therefore the record companies have more of a duty of care. I don't know in with relation to One Direction if there is a contract with you know, because I've never had a signed contract with my managers. We've always worked on a you know, it's just being a verbal agreement. It's in your interest to do a good job for me because then you get, you know,

a percentage of what it is that I earn. But I imagine when you're with a company like Psycho that you are in a contract. And maybe that's an employment contract and therefore they have a duty of care. I don't know, I don't know how it works. It strikes me after talking to you in quite depth about the way the industry is set up,

particularly I'm talking about the music industry, it strikes me that the artist is the most vulnerable person that we literally have in this industry, the music artist. Yes, that's true. And also, they also tend to be incredibly young and don't have much life experience. Yeah. They're learning on the job and it's sort of too late by the time that they figure it out and especially as a woman, I have felt like by the time I figured it out and was like hang on a second, you need to be doing this for me and you need to be doing this for me, the response is, well, you're too old now.

Right, you can look after yourself. No, like we're not interested well you're too old now. Right you can look after yourself. No like we're not interested because you're old. Oh okay record companies in general. Just the music industry you know and and social media like we're all obsessed with youth we're not interested in people when they've got something they want they want to talk about experience and reality. We've spoken about this a little bit.

Yes, but don't worry, babe, you've got a hit podcast on your hands to talk about experience and reality. Well, it's interesting because there is a market for it, clearly, people do want to feel like their lives are reflected. I feel like we are doing that with this podcast. And so what's to say that I can't do it, or anyone can't do it in their music or in, you know,

film or whatever medium. But the industry would tell you no. And I think the reason that the industry tells you no is because you're no longer so easy to manipulate when you're older. It's just very, very sad. And, but I do understand what you're talking about, that kind of, it's not about what just,

like what has happened to these individual people. Because if we bring Caroline Flack into the mix, that's not someone that works in the music industry, that's someone that was kind of pushed to the edge, in my opinion, by a number of things, including the British tabloids, to a very messy end. And I feel like I don't think Liam Payne's awful, horrific, unexpected death is going to change anything.

So I don't really know what will. Yeah, and also, you know, we would be speculating as to what happened, right? I mean, I think it would be fair to say that he had less success than his other counterparts in the band commercially. And I imagine that that feels pretty lonely and pretty dark. And I can imagine if I was in a situation like that and I wasn't sober, that I would use on that. And I would go looking.

We've spoken about how I go looking for negative things about myself on the internet when I'm feeling low and feeling isolated and feeling lonely. And I think that Liam Payne probably would have had quite a lot of content to look at himself. And that's what makes me feel really sad for him is that we do need to have a conversation about all the negativity that is out there on the internet.

The way we treat people. Where is the empathy? And it's not just the press or the record companies. It's us. Exactly the way we treat each other. Even when it's not like, you know, vicious like this. Like even David was saying yesterday that he went to Best Buy to go and buy something from, you know, an electronics store that's here in New York. And that, you know, the kids that were working there all recognized him, but they couldn't just be nice and say like,

oh, hi, you're that guy off Stranger Things. they all stood behind the desk and laughed at him and pointed at him and were saying things from the show really loudly in earshot of him. And you just sort of think, what's happened to us as people where you think that you can humiliate people publicly? And I think the reason that we think we can do it is because it's happening on the internet all day long

and we see it and we're not affected by it anymore. It's just like become the norm. Yeah, but if you think about historical, you know, the, what's it called? When they would hang, gut and quarter you. Hung, drawn and quartered. Hung, drawn and quartered. That was for entertainment, it was for speculation, and people would come and watch that happen. And that's because of the dastardly thing that this person had done in the world, right? But this isn't new. Because I went to, um, because it was a very strange week last week. I also had

that, I told you, I had a really difficult conversation with the doctor about the next steps of, with my fibroids and I have to have quite a serious operation and it was and I had then called you right after so I was a bit shaky when we had our last chat on Miss Me but luckily in the diary was going to take Lauren to Clifton House not Cliveden apparently if you say Cliveden your new money trash it's Clifton. Cliveden. Apparently if you say Cliveden, your new money trash. It's Cliveden. Cliveden. Cliveden. Like a bit like Rebecca, like, you know, like last night I dreamt of Mandalay.

I couldn't get that kind of voice out of my head. Like we used to summer in Cliveden. I couldn't stop talking like that. Lauren was getting really quite annoyed. But I took my friend Lauren cause I missed her 40th cause I was working. But that's where the Profumo scandal was The clearly in Clifton. Yes, Christine Keeler. Yes Clifton House was the setting and That scandal is fucking nuts. She's 19, right and she sleeps with the is it the Secretary of State for war?

Yeah, I think it was like Harold under the Harold McMillan conservative government, wasn't it? Yes, and she does that, but then she also sleeps with a Soviet military diplomat. So it's where sex and politics meet, right? I think that's a scandal. Okay. Right? You can't just have a scandal. I think it's like where sex and politics meet in secrecy and then the press unraveling it makes it a scandal because the first scandal was only in like 1890 so it's not like it's not a thing that's been forever. I think you need that element of the newspapers

right for something to become a scandal. You know like the the great scandals of our heyday, like Hugh Grant, ooh, the Divine Brown. Divine Brown, an absolute classic. I remember that, that was a classic scandal. But that's not politics, that was, you know, entertainment scandals, entertainment and sex. But isn't all sex politics? Kate Moss and the cocaine, that was a scandal.

Oh, that was unfair Yeah, I'm sure you did They hung her out to dry and it was like oh give it a rest like please Like oh for fuck's sake what supermod supermodel takes cocaine? Shocker. Yeah, it's like, oh fuck off. And I loved the way she came back and then did the, uh, that was, you know what? Kate Moss. That was, that was the blueprint for how you survive a scandal. Literally a week later she was like- Just ignore.

Ignore and just look nice. Whatever. What Ella? Ignore, look nice. Yeah, she was like, just ignore. Ignore and just look nice. Whatever. Whatever. Ignore, look nice. Yeah, she was a bit well about it. Anyway, what was my point? Yes, scandal. Divine Brown.

For the younger listeners, Lily, what happened? I believe he was photographed in a car with somebody called Divine Brown that was a sex worker. Engaged in oral sex, yes. I didn't know that bit, I haven't looked into it. But of course there was the famous mugshot. But I think if that had happened and the police caught him, whatever,

but it's the press that makes it a scandal. I think maybe the police were involved in that one. Yeah, they were because that's the thing, the police found him. That's the mugshot, okay. So if they had just found him, that's not a scandal, that's a crime, but the press make it a scandal. It's funny, isn't it, how now, like, you know,

Kim Kardashian used that, you know, engaging in sex to propel and jumpstart her enormously successful career. Isn't it funny how the world changes and evolves? Well, I suppose. What did you say? You can't get given power, you have to take it. It's damn straight. Damn, Shoozie. Have you ever had a scandal? Like an actual scandal? Um... No.

Suppose my Mile High Club was a bit of a scandal. Ah yes. Right. Let's have a break. Let's have a break. Is that what I'm fucking right? I'm gonna say let's have a break. Yeah, let's have a break, thank you.

Not in front of the dog. Oh. What are we gonna do? I can't not speak about this little shmoo shmoo. He's a little doggy, little dog. What are we gonna do? I can't not speak about this little shmoo shmoo. He's a little doggy, little dog. I guess Eddie have a little shmoo shmoo. Are you happy? Are you a happy boy?

Oh my God. Look how happy. This is Jude Bellingham, everybody. You're joking. No, his name's Jude Bellingham. Shut up! It is! Why would they? No, but the kids wouldn't know who that is. Why would that? Yes they do. Run. Oh, okay.

He's called Jude Bellingham. And there's such fans that they would allow the new animal to be called that. Yep, he's called Jude Bellingham. Well, you've got a glow in your cheeks, babe. Thank you, Jude. I'll just smush on him in the break See you after the break Welcome back to miss me. I feel like we're doing a blue Peter special Lily mm-hmm. This is you haven't seen Zeddy in a while? Hello Zeddy Boo! It's a true smoo! It's a smoo! Zeddy, this is Jude.

Hang on, Zeddy. You're on camera. Don't act as badly as you did on Google Box. Okay, fine. Okay. Look at his face. I know how much he loves you! So, how's it going in America? Let's talk politics. Let's talk politics but obviously impartially. Let's impartially discuss the American political game as it stands today. Yeah okay. How's it going with Kamala? Because I heard it's a bit tight and it's...

Yeah I mean I think the polls are like, are pretty tight. There's like a couple of points between them. I think maybe she's slightly in the lead, but I think it's all gonna come down to the swing states. And she has changed her track somewhat in terms of, you know, her campaigning. She went on Call Her Daddy, the podcast. I think I heard rumors that

she's considering going on Joe Rogan. She went on Fox News last week, which is interesting because obviously Fox News is, you know, right-leaning. So it's quite interesting that Kamala is, you know, going on there and trying to appeal to people that traditionally would vote for Republican I guess she's she just seems like she's got a good PR team I don't know why every politician doesn't just do this it's so fucking obvious go on podcasts that are relevant and modern and people are listening to and talk about the things you care about I mean when she went on go I keep

wanting to say go daddy, call her daddy. And I think if anyone's not heard of call her daddy in this country, it's absolutely massive. And it's all right. But she spoke about, you know, the opposition's, legislations that are out in the world that are still very harmful. You mean in terms of reproductive rights,

reproductive rights are very contentious issue here in America. Yeah, she spoke about that the abortion in the legislation, abortion not being allowed even in cases of rape and incestual abuse from Trump's side. So I think it was a really big place to talk about some big things. And honestly, it feels like the obvious thing to do, like get yourself out there. Well, kind of, but then you would think that people that listen to Call Her Daddy are probably already Kamala voters anyway. In the same way, I mean, I think it's more interesting that she went

on Fox News because, I mean, I guess maybe what she's hoping is that there are a few people watching it that are undecided and that they were impressed enough with her to swing it for them. But I would have thought that people that listened to Call Her Daddy were probably going to be Kamala voters anyway. But the thing is though, I thought it was more about showing oneself off as a modern politician who sees the world as it is today and knows how to put themselves in it.

Yes. Do you know what I mean? Just, I'm talking about literally just like, just in terms of campaigning, like. Correct. Also Alex Cooper has not publicly endorsed Kamala. It's funny actually. I do think it's interesting how the medium is changing. Obviously we've all been on the internet and social media but podcasts do really seem to be somewhere

when big stars are promoting their movies and stuff now, they go on the podcast trail. And I don't know if it's because, you know, we make these like little clips and the shareability is good, but it's kind of like eating itself. Like I watched Andrew Garfield on Chicken Shop Date. Lord have mercy, yes. With Amelia Demoldenburg. And it had been like this, you know, they'd sort of been flirting with each other on red carpets for the past few years. And then finally they came together on chicken shop day. And I haven't watched the whole episode yet,

but I've seen endless clips of it. Was there actual chemistry? Yeah, I'd say so. But you know, they're both sort of playing on it. It's kind of funny. But then I was watching TV and Amelia Demoldenburg was on Late Night with Seth Meyers promoting the podcast.

So it's funny that like, you know, now where movie stars would traditionally be on Seth Meyers promoting a movie, he's on Chicken Shop Date promoting a movie, but Chicken Shop Date is on Seth Meyers promoting the podcast. It's on a late night show promoting the podcast. Yeah. Bloody hell. Isn't that crazy? So why are we on Graham Norton?

That's the version of late night Seth Meyers, isn't it? I don't think Graham Norton likes me. Oh no, Lily! That's really annoying, I'd quite like to go on Graham Norton. Well, maybe this can be our plea. Um, but like I've seen it, cause he half lives in New York, right? So I see him sometimes.

He goes to the same gym as me and I always like wave. And I feel like he just really does not want to be my friend. I think I could help because he was at the Nana Mum talk. So she's, she comes from this, this land Graham, she's from these good people. I don't know, because I did do, I've been on his show a few times and I feel like the first time, second time was okay. And then the third time was when I was on with Miriam Margulies and it was like a disaster.

Well you had a really hard time with her. Yeah, I found it very, I found it very difficult. Um, and he's very good friends with her. So maybe, I dunno, in my head, I've just gone like, Oh, I fucked that. And now Graham Norton hates me and doesn't want me anywhere near him. I think, I don't think Graham Norton hates me. So let's see. Um, but I think in the spirit of, um of Kamala's new moves,

why don't we ask Angela Rayner to come and miss me? Yeah. I think so. Okay. In the vein of Kamala. We have to be pretty impartial. I'll be, you can be pro Angela and I'll be, I'll be auntie. That might be quite a good way of doing.

I'll do the real, I'll come with the real hard questions. Can we ask the BBC? Sorry, I just pitched it. We'll just have Cammie Bedernock on the week after or something. Yeah, exactly. Well, have them both on at the same time. That would be funny. That's not, no, but now we're building our own question time

and I'm very interested in that kind of energy. Oh my God. If you think that me and Lilly should build our own question time with Kemi and Angela, do let us know on 083045. Call our agents. Call our agents. Call our agents with a generous offer and we will get back to you. Okay. Let's go now before we offend people. Okay, bye. Well, I'll see you on Monday for Listen Bitch.

You're gonna be at home, right? I like you at home. I need your grounding right now. I need you at home, where you live with your new animals. Okay, well, lucky for you, I'll be here on Monday. And what were we talking about? Oh, mothers. Oh, for fuck's sake.

Don't worry, I'm gonna perk it up. We're gonna get through mothers, and also let's be positive. Let's talk about motherhood. Let's talk about the female body and what it does. And you're raising two young women who will probably do this again. And you're creating ancestry.

It's deep. Okay, I'm into it, babe. Okay. Okay, cool. into it babe. Okay. Okay, cool. I'll see you on Monday for Mothers, my love, bye. You've twisted my arm. I'll see you on Monday. Thanks for listening to Miss Me

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