Miss Me? - Summit Summer

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss vitamins, feeling out of touch at festivals, and the celebrity beauty business.

BBC Sounds music radio podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, references to drug misuse and adult themes. Hello everybody. Welcome to Miss Me, the 7,000th and 43rd episode I believe we're on. Which is nothing in relation to how many conversations we've had in our lives, but it's getting, the ratio is matching up though. I have to say.

It is getting close, it's getting close. Hang on, Phoebe come say hi to Lil. Phoebe's there. Yeah. Gang's all here. So I don't know if I can handle this. Has she got her cards with her? Come say hi to Lil. Phoebe's there. Yeah. Gang's all here. I don't know if I can handle this. Has she got her cards with her?

Can she do a little reading? She got your tarot cards with you. Yeah, I did actually. She did. Where is she? She's there. Can you pull a little few for me and then... Yeah, sure.

Pull a few for her. We'll show her at the end of the... Okay, yeah, yeah, sure. Go on then. Oh, so nice to have the fam in the house. Well, we had my mum, you know, knee operation or no knee operation. She will still serve a party or throw a lunch. And we had a 25 people lunch in honor of our guest of honor, Billy Porter came to lunch.

Oh, Billy Porter. Not Billy J.D. Porter. Billy Porter. Not Billy J.D. Porter. That would be weird. Not Billy Piper. Billy Porter, not Billy JD Porter, Billy Porter. Not Billy JD Porter. That would be weird. Not Billy Piper, Billy Porter. I don't even wanna section or reduce his vibe to one thing. Like, yes. He's great, we love Billy JD Porter. No, but he's not JD, right?

He's the not JD. No, we love Billy Porter, sorry, yes, I'm sorry. Just Billy JD Porter like rolls off the tongue. Now she used to be like a roving journalist for Vice, didn't she, back in the day? Yeah, I remember Billy J.D. Porter for sure. The other Billy Porter, he took time out of his very busy schedule. He's been doing cabaret in London and mum has just been desperate to make him part of the family. So she threw a huge lunch. The Cherries came, Phoebe and

the kids came, my 93-year-old Uncle John came. But yeah, that was really nice, but a little bit too much activity for me. I had some minor surgery last week. This is the last time I'm getting my body cut into for a while. Can't take it anymore. Let me just get this straight. There's three generations of like invalid olivers at the moment, right? Your nan's just been in hospital, your mom's had a knee operation, and you're just recovering from surgery. Who's like Nurse Ratchet over there? Like, someone taking care of all of you?

Well, it would be Garfield. But he's gone. It would be Garfield, but like a real man, suddenly his knees- He's gone to set up Glastonbury. No, he's not. That's next week. No, like a real man, his knees started to hurt. Oh, yeah. So actually, he was real man. His knees started to hurt. Oh, yeah

So actually he was in pain. My mom was like really the knee not even the shoulder the knee So yeah, he's actually going through his own stuff. But yeah, we could do with a nurse ratchet I guess Phoebe's been nurse ratchet a little bit in the house How's it going in your house as we all know it's been a tricky few months for mommy and You know most of my days have been spent feeling sorry for myself in bed. I'm out of that phase now though, I will say. I've been out and about and I've been doing things, I've been socializing.

Then he's got a new art crowd, okay? I do, I went to an art opening last week. Do you know Leo Fitzpatrick from Kids? He curated a show and I went there and there were loads of like 50 year old skaters. Oh my God, yeah, the older ones, like the hormone replacement doctor guy that I go to. I'm not on HRT yet, but he's just been like, my mom's been on the show for a while now. And I went to the doctor's, and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's

and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the doctor's and I went to the digress. I went to the doctors the other day, like the hormone replacement doctor guy that I go to. I'm not on HRT yet but he's just been just like monitoring my bloods for the past year or so. You know and I've had... I'm really sorry about this, one second. Hello?

Wait a minute. Okay, I'll just get her to come upstairs now. I'm just in the middle of something. She's coming. What did you order? It's my medication. They deliver it here. Oh my God, America. I know. Actually America is in really good shape.

Forget the National Guard on the streets of LA. Yeah, I know. Still, get your meds delivered to your door. Sorry, I know this is inconvenient. I have to take my headphones off and go and get the door otherwise, and it's a nightmare, so I'm gonna... We'll keep this in, it could be interesting, you know. Okay, let me just go and do this okay man needs her meds yeah yeah no

cool cool you know what while Lily goes on this excursion we'll just have a little bit of some gentle jazz the meds have landed The meds have landed. What a great way of us seeing this sort of backbone efficiency of that city. You could never in this town, not in London. So anyway, so I was at this other doctor, not the one that provided those meds, a different one. And we had been talking, he was like, you know, are you feeling any better? And I was like, yeah, I have, you know, I'm just think I'm sort of turning a corner,

I'm being much more active, I'm out and about and doing stuff. And he's like, that's great. He's like, your vitamin D levels are still quite low. He was like, have you not been getting much sunlight? I was like, no, I've been in bed watching Housewives for the last six months, what are you talking about? I told you.

You could take supplements. I told you. You know, he was like, well, if you're planning on staying there and watching the secret lives of Mormon wives, then you should probably take some vitamin D. Do you know what? And I was reading everything last weekend about vitamin C. It's such a standard one, but bloody hell, it's like part of some of the biggest selling beauty ranges in the world.

Like good old vitamin C. Do you know, I have a funny little anecdote about vitamin C because it's orange, right? So is Adderall and that was the drug that I used to take in my naughty days because I thought it helped me to lose weight. It's a drug that they prescribe for ADHD. Oh my gosh. But it's basically amphetamines. I just remembered the Adderall years. And I felt so ashamed of the fact that I was secretly taking this drug to try and keep my weight under control. And so I would hide them in my vitamin C jars because it looked like feasible because they were both orange pills.

Sam, my husband at the time, used to take vitamin C religiously, but had run out of it in the kitchen. So I went into the medicine cabinet to go and he's found my secret pill stash and took two. They were really strong. He said it was the worst day of his life. No, I bet. Because that's just like straight up amphetamine. Not when you've like voluntarily decided to take an upper. That's like rushing at home and not knowing why. It's literally just like, and what can, eh, eh, what can I clean? What can I clean?

I need to organize this space. I need to organize, I need to do all of my work. So I think he had a very efficient day at work, but just felt like his soul was destroyed. And he was like, we need to talk about what you're taking because this would explain a lot of your behavior. I was like, yeah, okay, let's deal with it. Anyway.

Actually, we learned something pretty good with mum's recovery because she's on quite a lot of Oxy and she had started to trip out Lily, but with like the most banal stuff. Like she thought that there were these women setting up a WI table in the corner of her bedroom for like three or four days and she could hear like their really like boring, menial conversation about it. She could probably just hear us talking and it was like we regurgitated it in her head. That's just me and Lydia recording this. Let's talk about Sabrina Carpenter and Barry Keough, please. Really?

Because I've been waiting all week. I wanted to, I wanted first to talk about if it's not too bossy of me to do that, but I went to the Governor's Ball with my children two nights in a row, me, two friends on both nights I took and then there were four kids. So we went to see Tyler the Creator on Friday night and Olivia Rodrigo on Saturday night. I am old, by the way way because I went to those festivals and looked at the lineup and apart from the headliners I had no idea who anyone was except for one person Benson Boone who's that guy that does like backflips off

pianos. So what is the governor's ball is it bit like the capital FM ball? No no no if I had to I would say it's more like wireless festival Okay. Yeah, right. I would not know anyone on wireless And this isn't just I always so old and I just would really would not in terms of not in times of the genre And the lineup just in terms of the like big headline acts and then like lesser-known acts But you know in my sort of more Musical days like I would know who that all those people were playing really far down the bill I had no idea who any of

these people were and also I was like walking past stages I was like what the fuck is that? Oh no! Yeah I was like this is what they're calling music these days! Oh my god why does it happen so quickly? It happens so quickly. We were cool once, yesterday. Yesterday. But luckily I had friends with me that were actually sort of 10 years younger than me, a couple of them. And do you know Jake?

Jake Gallagher, who did my hair. Him and his boyfriend, Char, came. And my friend, Tommy Dorfman, who is an actress over here in New York, and a friend of mine called Erin came, and they are considerably younger than me. and they both, none of us knew who any of these other acts were. But the funny thing was in Olivia Rodrigo's show when she normally brings out someone

like myself, she brought out David Byrne from Talking Heads and no one knew who he was. No one had a Scooby. She is, but you did. So fucking beautiful, Olivia Rodrigo. It was unreal, the bodsie, like she just, she's a star. I can't put it any other way, she's just a star. I'm gonna really listen to you this time because Lily has finally, you didn't even do anything.

I think I just listened more, but I think I'm finally a fan of Sabrina Carpenter. Yes, I'm late. Yes, I'm late. But I'm so happy to be here. And I feel like we can share it together, especially the new song. So basically we were gonna talk about Man Child,

her new song. I listened to it and was like, I love this. It's like Dolly Parton. Man Child, you are a man child. Send it to Lily. She's like, I love this. It's like Dolly Parton, Mancha, you are a mancha. Send it to Lily, she's like, Keith, this is AI. I was like, oh. So then you sent me the real one. Love it.

So much. Mancha. Tell me why you like her. Tell me what you saw that I didn't see and I'm so late to this, but what is it that made Sabrina? What do I like about Sabkab? I like, I like the wittiness of her lyrics.

I like her sort of like no fucks given attitude. I like that she leans into the sexy side of herself in a very sort of unashamed way. Although I did have issues with it when I took my kids to see her concert. I thought it was a little bit too much, but fuck me, you stupid mum. That is judgmental and whatever. Yeah, fuck you.

If the kids don't see it enough with me, like, hey girls, do you think my fake boobs are looking good? I thought Sabrina gyrating was a bit much. Yeah. This is kind of what I've discovered. Like, I think she is a really great songwriter and there does seem to be some wit and humor and a quickness to her writing. Why am I so late? Because I read Grazia and I have the internet, but I also didn't know that Sabrina and Barry

Kiyoch had broken up. Yeah. And now I've looked into it, it was bloody ages ago, apparently like maybe last Christmas. I've since read that there's a sort of flat out denial that it's about him and that she wrote it just after she finished Short and Sweet and it's a total coincidence that everyone thinks that. That they've broken up and now there's a song called Man Child. Man Child is usually, my auntie has a song called Man Child and it's usually about, when you're calling a man a

man child, it's usually you don't run your life properly and you haven't looked after me properly. Grow up! Grow up! Basically. Grow up. It's not an uncommon song title. So you're allowed to do that. You're allowed to just name songs the same things as other songs in music. You are allowed to do that, aren't you? My new single's called Ain't No Mountain High Enough. Hahahaha! And I've checked with the Marvin Gaye estate and all's okay.

So fine. Everything's fine. With this breakup has come, of course, lots of support for Sabrina, which actually has turned into quite sort of toxic hate of poor old Barry to the point where he had to say something, didn't he? He was like, I actually need to sort of stand up for the fact that these comments, I suppose we're talking about Sabrina Carpenter, hardcore fans supporting her through something that they didn't know everything about and just coming for him a bit. He just needs his own bot army. Yeah, the Keoghans.

He will. The Keone killers. I don't think we need to get into bots versus bots. I think that... Well they are though, like AI stuff. You know, these big stars employ companies to... They do like crisis management online, but a lot of it is like fake interaction. Wait a minute, but wait a minute, wait a minute. They wouldn't... I know we've talked about this before and you've said that and I was naive then when you said it, but I feel even more naive now that you think that like it's record company people just trying to drive engagement. I would guess that you know a huge recording artist at the forefront of a major label probably has

some online marketing tools. Those tools tend to come in the forms of you know user-generated content which is... A sort of botish form. Well it's supposed to mean that what it means user generated content, but I think it's like, you know, it's not necessarily all real. I know certainly that like I get approached by companies all the time that are like, do you want us to fight, you know, negative stuff online with positive bots for you?

And I'm like, how much? You know, there are companies that do like, you know, crisis management, but you know, on basically online PR, but they're doing it in sort of ways that you wouldn't necessarily that they, you know, the normal human being out there in the world would just assume that that's what's going on. But yes, I think I believe that is what's going on. I think it's quite important, actually, when we were looking into it more, there was like some really hardcore shit that's gone down that people are going through when it comes to court cases. I won't get specific, but to be in that place of like trying to divulge

a horrific traumatic thing that's happened in your life and go through the process of what that is to be public with it and then for Said fans of whoever you're accusing to then come for you and start to take you down again and attack you I just I don't know. It feels really ugly and upsetting to witness. Yes and quite frequent It seems to be happening quite a lot. It's an age old tale, isn't it of misogyny hung drawn and quartered in the town square It's an age old tale of misogyny hung drawn and quartered in the town square. It's an age old tale of misogyny. He comes out of it better than me. Wow, that's a fucking hit.

Welcome back to Miss Me. Welcome back. Let's leave Sabrina. I want to, I really want to talk about Hayley Beaver and Rowan to be honest. Really? Why? What a big acc-, because that's exciting. Right, because I've been- Oh, because it's because your business thing's, okay yeah, no I get it, I get it, I get it.

My business thing? No, because I've been re- No, I know, you're building an empire, so I get it. You're inspired by- Well, not just inspired by it. It also shows me all the different ways that this shit works and this shit goes down. So when something like the road, her beauty company, I'm sure you've heard, I'm sure you've seen, has been bought by Else Beauty for a billion, one billion dollars. Wow. And I'm thinking that quite a lot of that money is coming near her. Yeah. Because she doesn't have any fucking investors.

It's not a public, it's not a publicly traded company. Hmm. So this really is a big payday for Hayley Bieber. Lucky Hayley. Wow, who are Elf? I've never heard of them. You haven't heard of Elf Cosmetics? Mm-mm. They're like a huge distributor here in America.

You can go to like Elf shop. Right. It's big. So this is obviously about growth. When people buy something for this amount of money, this is because they want to take it even bigger. Maybe we'll probably start seeing road shops. But someone like Kylie Cosmetics, her setup was different.

She sort of started that with another licensing brand and then someone like Fenty Beauty, Rihanna, she started that with LVMH. So she only owes half and LVMH only the other half. So there are all these different business models, but you can become very, very rich in this game. Yeah. Kylie Jenner has been a lot more outspoken and said like, yeah, I've had lip filler and talked about the surgery she's had.

I don't know, it's quite interesting that we invest so much in the beauty side of these people's career and like what they're giving to us is all about like, you know, it's about beauty, but we are all aware that their beauty has been modified or their faces have been modified in some way. And I wonder where the buck ends with that sort of just lost in the milieu of Kylie Jenner's so beautiful, but we all know that's milieu of Kylie Jenner is so beautiful, but we all know that's not actually Kylie Jenner's face because we remember what it looked like before. I think maybe reading between the lines, I feel like the thing is, yeah, we know that they all like, you know, probably have a facial every week, radio frequency, micro needlings going on.

Yeah. LED lighting. In my opinion, something a bit more than that. Yeah, so hazard a guess, I would say yes you are correct. But, you know, they're also aware that their fans don't have as deep a pockets that they do. And so they're trying to come up with something that can give them something similar for a much lower price point. I think they're being generous, Keats. You know?

You don't have to pay for my facelift. You can just buy my lip gloss. Yeah, exactly. Right. But the thing is they've never lied. Let's also say this. Kylie Jenner has never said I've never had plastic surgery. She's admitted to the procedures she's had.

But I think it's just interesting how much we decide to forget. I'm very impressed by Hayley Bieber's journey. What a world where you can make a billion pounds in a course of a couple of years. Legend. You've really got to start writing out your business model for Lily Life Stationery. Lily Stationery. We're gonna have a much better name for it.

You should probably name your own stationery line. I think it's packing cubes. That's my- No, that's not very glamorous, babe. Well, maybe it isn't, but maybe that's what it needs to be. Glam packing cubes. Yeah, well, it's all about the marketing. Selena Gomez has a beauty brand.

I don't know what it's called, do you? Yes, I do. It's called Rare Beauty. But it's not popping off. I think it's just as successful, if not more successful, actually. No, no, it can't be. The current value of Rare Beauty from February 2025 is over 2 billion.

Jesus Selena Gomez you're making such like big quiet moves. I never even heard of Rare Beauty. Yeah she doesn't even need to like put that out on the socials to let everyone know. That's quite cool. Not that we want to pick Hayley and Selena, let's pick someone else. Fenty. Fenty's worth three billion. According to Forbes, Rihanna's net worth went down by 400 million in 2025.

Not that I think that that's going to be an issue for her, but- What, Rihanna's lost money? I mean, on Fenty Beauty and on the underwear thing that she's done, it was valued much higher and now it's gone, it's taken a dip. Gotta be careful with those valuations. I don't that she's done. It was valued much higher and now it's gone. It's taken a dip. Got to be careful with those valuations.

I don't think she's worried. I think she's gonna be fine. Is there anyone that could have their businesses fall like by 400 million, not be worried? Well, she's just, you know. She's fine. Looking after her babies and just like, you know. Exactly.

Boning ASAP Rocky every night. Yeah, do you know what I mean? She's fine. I've never felt sorry for Rihanna. I've just wanted to be her forever. I know, I went really down a rabbit hole with her because I read this Harper's Bazaar interview with her and I was just like, no, some people are just vibey bitches

and she's just a vibey person. Oh, vibey bitches, by the way, have you watched the Chicken Shop Date episode with Alex Konzani? No. Ah, she's so good! Wait, is this tapping into your- So Alex Konzani was, is the world's youngest transgender model when they came on the scene, age 12, I believe. Did they get on, her and Amelia?

Yeah. What's your drink of choice? Vodka. Really? Yeah I'm really Caucasian like that. I was gonna say water. Oh girl no. What? She gave her vodka? Are you into geography? No. Why? Because I'm from America babe the only geography I know is California. Okay, it's just two vibe-y bitches. You need to watch it, because she's very dry and just funny and just like, you know when somebody is just so comfortable with themselves, it's like, I just love it. I love that.

I think that's what I felt, no, I think that's what happened to me when I went down the Rihanna rabbit hole. I was like, why can't I just be like, just be this down with myself at all times? I think it's good parenting. On the other side of my confidence crisis, I then got asked to do something that was quite intimidating, but I wasn't actually nervous, which made me realise that this confidence

thing is something I really have to figure out and it's based in certain places. But I had to interview Chioma Nardi. She's the editor of British Vogue, but they call her head of editorial content. I'm not sure why that they've created that new title, but that's what it is. But it was the Condé Nast UK Summit. So there were all the houses and brands and magazines and everything that's sort of within this conglomerate. And it was a big serious room. And I was a bit like, yeah, I've got so much to talk to show them about. And I love internal business, things like this. Then I got in the room and I was a bit like, yay, I've got so much to talk to Joe about and I love internal business things like this. Then I got in the room and I was like, oh my God, I felt like I was late to assembly

and I was being taken on to stage to like interview the headmaster or something. Oh, it was scary, but I did really well, I think. Made a laugh, found out some shit. I love that internal stuff. I'd never go to another event again. I'd much rather just go to like the internal business summit shit.

Yeah. And come in more of a summit place. You in your summit era, babe. Summit summer. I really am. My summit summer. I was like, this is well interesting. That's our title by the way, summit summer.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's good. How did it go? Did it go well? Yeah, it went really well. Like I knew what I was fucking talking about. I was interested. I was curious. And she's like Lily. She's so safe. She's like mixed race. She's a Swiss, German, Nigerian. And I swear she's from like Northwest London. And she's like two years older than us. Wow. This is who's running Vogue. Yes, please. It was really nice. Tell her to give us the cover, babe. I like that business shit. Tell her

to give us a Miss Me cover. Yeah, yeah, give us a cover. Hello. Give us a cover. Give us a Miss Me cover. I'd love a Vogue Miss Me cover. So you and me both. It would be great. Don't think it's going to happen. Shall we? Let's talk about Elon and Trump. Let's talk about the relationship downfall. I was also thinking we should talk about the relationship timeline because it all started out so sweet. It wasn't actually love at first sight because Elon was a bit like, I don't think Trump should run again for presidency.

But then they did start to date, didn't they? They did. And it did get quite hot and heavy quite quickly. Yeah, their sort of relationship reminds me a little bit of the relationship between my 12-year-old and my 13-year-old over the past couple of years since the hormones have kicked in. I think we can like draw a comparison maybe or like a sort of metaphor, like my children's hormones and, you hormones and complete political power

Yeah, why not? has had a similar effect in my house. My children can present as being on the same team sometimes and then it descends into something very different, which is what has happened with Elon and Trump over the past week. What a fucking fallout. There was the nice big fat donation from Elon to Trump, gives

$250 million to the Trump campaign. That's when things were hot and heavy and things were going well. And then this spring, I feel like things have got a bit tricky when Trump didn't he like publicly reduce Elon's power? So his doge. Oh yes, and then the bill that was going to affect all his electric cars. That was it. You know, I listened to like political podcasts and sometimes I'm paying attention and sometimes I'm not.

But last week they were talking all about Elon and his alleged drug use. So I thought that maybe the drug use had embarrassed the Trump administration somewhat and so they had to sort of create something to distract. So they had to be like, well, you're friends with Jeffrey Epstein. So no, no, no, no. Yeah. Okay.

You wouldn't even be president if it wasn't for me. It's all got a little bit like that. But you know what? Don't take our word for it. Why don't we listen to them being the grownup, adult, powerful motherfuckers that they are in this world. These people are in charge. Should we listen to the leaders of the free world what's your view on Elon Musk as of today I mean have you heard from him at all as your

chief I've been so busy working on China working on Russia working on Iran working on somebody that I'm not thinking about Elon you know I just wish of wellness what do you know about the Tesla you couldn't keep it are you good I haven't thought about do you have any plans to cut I hope he him well. What do you know about the Tesla? Are you gonna keep it or are you gonna? I haven't thought about it. Do you have any plans to contact? I mean, I hope he does well with Tesla. Do you have any plans to speak with Mr. Musk? This was one of your closest advisors.

No, I'm not even thinking about that. Sure, sure, sure, you're pissy. You got stuff on. You can't run the world. This breakup isn't even affecting you. No, he's gotta be sending the National Guard into Los Angeles to... What the...

I know. I just saw that today. Isn't that crazy? How is this going to end Elon and Trump's fallout? Because I did actually watch Mountainhead, which I thought was disappointing. But of course, we're talking about four of the most powerful men in the world, all getting together to have a good time and talk about their power. And this never ends well unless it's like when a power, political power couples worked well and not feared each

other's power, you know, and they've like, you know, changed the world together for the good. The Abarthas? Cleopatra and Mark? Anthony? Yes, because they were both very powerful and they sort of ruled together. Yeah. Well, okay, well, this is where I leave you, Harry Potter. On that note, I'm going to quote some Harry Potter.

I'm going to get out of here. Get out of here. I've got a magical tarot reading to get to from our darling cousin Phoebe. Let's do Netbo babies next week and their vilification and hatred towards women in the press. Cause that my friend is timeless.

I don't know anything about that one. You'll have to educate me there. I will have to tell you all about what that feels like. No, we'll keep that in the bank cause we could use it at any time over the next 50 years. And it will still be relevant. It will still be relevant and happening. But we will be talking to you on Monday, Lily. I'll be calling you just, I'll be calling you on FaceTime just to talk about festivals.

Next Monday. Festivals! You better believe it. Festivals! Let the students become the teachers. Next Monday, festivals! You better believe it! FESTIVALS! Let the students become the teachers. Okay. Or something of that ilk. Okay, pipe down.

Are the professors of this school. And that's the end of Miss Me. Thank you very much for joining us on the Meaty Drop this week, people. And we will see you here next week. But in between that, we'll see you here next week but in between that we'll see you for Listen Bitch on Monday. See you then, bye! Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneca

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