Miss Me? - TriggerNometry

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver ask if schools should teach us about pensions and mortgages. Lily tells us about her eye-opening trip to the theatre to see 'Black Boys'. Are Dua Lipa and Callum Turner the new Posh & Becks? And does anyone remember how Pythagoras' Theorem works??This episode contains strong language and adult themes.Credits:Producer: Matt Thomas Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan HaskinsMiss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. Miss Me contains very strong language and adult themes just like life. Hi, Keats. Hello. Hi, Lil.

How's it going? Pretty good. I love that we're both in pink. Yes. I mean, obviously, I'm only able to be in pink because you returned this jumper to me last week, which you've had for how many years? Thank you very much. No, thank you. Yes. You're welcome is what I mean. I like that you're doing a tour of lovely places in West London are you at Henrietta's house I'm at my godmother's house yes she's very kindly let me

stay much to my mother's uh annoyance I got a text from my mum saying why are you not staying at mine it's quite hurtful and I was like well because your bed is horrible and every time I wake up there I have like a crick in my neck. So get a new bed and I'll come back. And she is not talking to me now. No, stop. She's had a tough week. Yes, hasn't she? Me too.

She also told me that she listened to the show last week and she mentioned that I used the word derivative in the wrong context when I was talking about american fiction do you remember last week when we discussed that yes but i um see i had this is embarrassing because i don't like the celebration of stupidity which uh is in so many places in the media and uh i love big words i know i don't like big words i like words and i used i think week or the week before, a word that I wasn't quite sure of. And I thought, well, no one said anything. So I think I got that right.

And then you use this word, your word that you're about to tell us. And I was like, oh, God, she so knows what she's talking about. No, I just said derivative how the main character in American fiction thinks that the, you know, the black literature that's being heralded in the story is, I use the word, derivative of the genre. And actually I meant reductive. So I'd just like to. Oh, shit. I'd just like to put that. I'd like to put that. It's kind of the same letters almost, but just a little bit wrong way around.

But derivative, derivative means to, you know, is derived from. And reductive just means, you know, reductive. To reduce. Anyway, I thought I would just set the record straight and apologise. But also wanted to know if there are any words that you use that actually you don't know what they mean. No, the word I used last week, and I was very certain I got it right,

and I refused to Google it this week because I thought maybe Lily probably knows. But someone said, it was also about Miss Me, and they were like, oh, God, you guys are really funny. And I was like, oh, no, I hate when people think that something is funny because I get, like, I feel pressure to, like, oh, no, I hate when people think that something is funny because I get like I feel pressure to like be hilarious. So I was like, no, I think what we what it needs to have is pathos. And I thought, is that right?

And what I meant was a narrative arc that is both funny and serious. Okay. I'm looking up pathos. Just dictionary it for me, please. It's a quality that evokes pity or sadness. Oh, no. No, I don't want people to pity us. Oh, no.

I shouldn't mean that. What word means like a narrative arc that goes to all places? Oh, I don't know. Right. Right. Okay. Well, we'll find that out. And then it made me think about, there's this, do you know this film? Did I ever watch it with you?

Do you remember Reality Bites with Winona Ryder and Ethan Hawke? Yes. Oh, what a film, right? And she's going for a job in journalism at a paper and the woman goes, and she's like, please, please. And the lady goes, okay, define irony. And she goes, oh, I can't. She's like irony it's when the and then the lift door just closes and then she goes to meet ethan hawke and it's like can you define irony and he's like a very cool character and he says it's when the actual meaning is the exact opposite of the literal meaning

and i was like oh that is exactly what irony. But you use irony and know what it means when you're using the word. Yes, but I don't think I could define it if someone asked. Oh, no. I mean, having children, often they ask you what words mean. And I just never know. I'm just like, well, it just means. And then I just say the word again, back at them. Well, now that I'm in your gang, I'm joking.

Makita. I am not. Makita in your gang I'm joking Makita I am not Makita's had a dog For three days Relax I am not Going To be Two things

One A doggy mummy Or two Someone that now Sympathises with parents And goes yeah I really get it But You've done both of those things

To me Since you've had your dog Yeah yeah Just need to get them Out out the way early and then let's start do you want to I know you've seen her but you want to see her yeah sure yeah okay let's let's meet Zed come on Zeddy I don't just have people handling Zeddy my friend Ellie's just here helping me out because we're recording Miss Me. Ellie, will you bring Sadi? Bring the dog. Will you bring the dog? Oh, look at her.

Don't speak loud. She'll freak her out. Ellie, you know Lily. Hi, hello. Hello, Ellie.

Hi. Doesn't she look cute? So, so she's kind of like, I realise, she's a cocker spaniel show and she's kind of like a old lady, she's a croc-a-spaniel show. And she's kind of like a old lady. What does show mean?

It means that, you know, she could perform if asked. She could do crafts. No, shut up. What is the show? Because a work croc-a-spaniel is more like on the farm. The show croc-a-spaniel. You've got a show dog. I've got a show dog but you've got papers and everything for her puppy pads are my new fucking best friend no but have you got this thing it's

like bloodline papers what the hell's that oh you mean like you mean like her official papers yes yes okay good yes she's a citizen of this world now look at this and tell me if i look like a dickhead on it this is what i've been had to buy to carry her around because you can't put a puppy on the floor in the street obviously um until their vaccinations have had like a few weeks to kick in so i can't even go to the shop right now so I had to get a sling that's hilarious and I feel like how do I make this look a bit more like yeah yeah I got a puppy and what rather than like this is my baby doggy it's very cute it kind of reminds me of when you when I had my kids you know when I had one kid it was fine to be able to go to the

shops but then when I had two like let's say one is sleeping right and you need some milk then and the other one is up then you can't go to the shops because obviously you can't leave the sleeping one on their own so yeah don't have two kids wait, but what if you've got one kid? If it's sleeping, you can't leave it on its own either? No, but you can put the sleeping kid in a pram and take that kid to the shop with you. Oh, of course. What about a double pram?

Yeah, but you don't really want to... If one's sleeping, you don't really want to put it in the pram with the other one if it's not sleeping because then the other one will just wake the sleeping one up. I'm learning so much. I really am, as I hold a dog in a sling around my arms. Anyway, I did some research on words that people use without knowing what they mean. Tell me this. What do you think disinterested means?

Not interested in what someone's talking about? Incorrect. No. Yes. Disinterested does not mean uninterested. It means neutral. Oh, of course it does. Of course it does. See, this is the thing about language.

I just bloody love. When you get told something, you kind of know it, but you just, unless you think about it, you could use words incorrectly all the bloody time. Yeah, or you could get an education read a book neither of us did that is not fair well have we got any gcses between us not one gcse between us no right and and that is that that is not something i celebrate either because i'm smart and so are you correct and I actually really I liked school until I started getting bullied really I was so popular in primary schools king of the world did you enjoy

learning yeah you're kidding me I used to do spelling bees little and like win them really yeah I was the kid that people would say Mikiikiita, how do you spell this? And I'd be like, L-I-G-H-T. I've got sort of mixed feelings about education because I didn't really enjoy it at the time. I had undiagnosed ADHD as a child, I think. I've been diagnosed with ADHD as an adult. Did you actually get diagnosed? Yeah. I'd like to do that.

Do you think I've shown any symptoms ever? I don't think I'm in a position to diagnose you, but yes. Yes, you probably do. For sure, 100%. Right, okay. No, but I didn't, you know, my school reports always said, you know, Lily shows promise in this area. She's clearly very bright. If only she would apply herself and focus more.

Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat on every single. Till what? Like till like 15, that was the report back. Till I left. Yeah. Why did you leave? I left B-Dales. Well, B-Dales was the last place that I was asked to leave, I think.

And I left there because it was a Glastonbury-related issue. What? And I think I'd got my dad to ask if I could leave school early to go down to Glastonbury. And they said, no, she can't. And I wanted to take some friends with me. And so I just ran away on a Wednesday and I went down to Glastonbury and I remember getting to Glastonbury and spending like three days there with my friends without even telling

my dad because it was pre-mobile phones. And then my dad knew that I was coming to, you know, leaving school on a Saturday afternoon and coming down and so we left sight. Came back in again. Pretended that we hadn't been there for three days. Wow. Yeah. But you've been going to Glastonbury since,

I mean, I went when I was like four, but I think you were like born, like newborn. Yeah, there's pictures of me at Glastonbury when I was six weeks old. That is insane and I've been who wants to take a six week old to Glastonbury ask my parents crazy bastards um I yeah have been going to Glastonbury pretty much every year since as I would say you're more likely to see all members of my family at Glastonbury together than you are at Christmas oh my god you know what's so weird I feel like you lot did the first tenure like the Allens and then like when Garth my stepdad started doing Gorilla Bar and Shangri-La about 15 years

ago it's just like there is no time from birth till now that our family haven't sort of been in charge of or running some bit of Glastonbury areas yeah but yeah if my kids ran away from school to go to Glastonbury what would you say you couldn't say shit really could you no I just I also don't think I would say shit I think think it's a rite of passage, behaving like being naughty. That's right, Lily. Come on. That's the kind of parenting I'm looking for. To me, it's not misbehaving.

It's just doing what any sort of teenager would do, given that. Yeah, listen, it's Glastonbury. It's a ticketed event. We were at squat parties in the middle of nowhere. So I think if they went to Glastonbury, we'd be like, yeah, it's quite a clean living decision. Really? Like, it's not Deptford for the weekend when you're 13 like me.

Pretending as though I was at Cordelia's house. But anyway, do you wish that you hadn't left school is what I was going to ask you. Do you wish that you hadn't left school is what I was going to ask you. Do I wish that I hadn't left school? Yeah. Do you wish you had a degree? I wish I had a degree. Oh God, yeah, I wish I had a degree, of course.

What would yours be in? I don't know. I guess maybe something, you know, English literature. I mean, I suppose basically at certain junctures in my life, I thought if I'd had if i'd had a degree i would have like gone into law maybe bloody hell you'd be such a bull you'd be like a hot shit lawyer i've never thought about that yes yes um but i um i would have got a degree in history i fucking loved history.

And I really weirdly liked geography. This is all in Centre Academy in Clapham. But then after there, I went to another school. And one day, yeah, that was the day I came upstairs and they said, here's the new pupil. And it was fucking you. Hi. Yeah. They were like, welcome everyone to Lily. And and i was like what are you doing here but weirdly i really needed you at that time that was like my fifth school i was

so getting sick of trying to pretend to make friends i was quite happy to see you that day oh the irony and then we both dropped out of that college together i was gonna say we only did about two weeks together i don't remember that long. We just went back to your house and watched The Faculty for a year. Stop with the pops. Stop with the pops. Listening to Carlos Santana and watching The Faculty. Because I was 15 when I went for the audition for Pop World. And Pop World was like a sort of new, at the time,

it was going to be a new music show to launch E4 so it was going to be God that's how long ago it was and it was going to be on every day and then on Channel 4 on Sundays so that was like

five days a week filming and obviously I was I was just about to start my GCSE so they God I was livid which part?

You having a job and that meant you didn't have to go to school you're like I've got my little job in TV I was like no but I had to do both and I don't think

people understand how knackered I mean lucky you have a lot more energy when you're 16 or 15 but I was like it was overwhelming my whole body

came out in a rash like from my forehead to my toes I thought I was alright but I wasn't it was a lot it was like usher in

the morning and then like maths in the afternoon it was like a head fuck what the fuck is going on and that was why i walked out my gcse because i was like i got a jab i need this shit yeah i actually sat there and thought i have a job i think this is sitting here is about me getting a job and I have one so I'm just gonna go and I walked out of science GCSE well I I think I don't know I've got a bit of a funny thing with educators although I would like a degree and I and I would have liked to you know gone into some sort of further education I found it really really hard in um secondary school and I just felt like the stuff that they were teaching us was not stuff that was going to apply to me in adult life and um it all just felt like an absolute waste of time and then when I did leave

school I felt like quite justified in that assessment because I didn't understand I didn't really have like any life skills like they should teach you like how to do a load of washing they should teach you how to do a self-assessment tax form there is no coincidence coincidence there is no coincidence that there is no education on personal finances in schools like I mean obviously I went through bankruptcy and it was very very very hard um and I would never blame um that on no personal finance in schools but it would have helped because one of the reasons I went bankrupt because I didn't understand what tax was and why I needed to pay it it was this thing that I paid for a bit and then I was like oh I

don't think it's that big a deal if I don't pay that what what what and still I don't okay if we're going to talk about this I really need to be honest I only really understood VAT about two years ago right I was like I don't get why what aspect of it to the fact that you get it and then have to give it away again I was like why give it to me why. What aspect of it? The fact that you get it and then have to give it away again. I was like, why give it to me? Why do I even have to be part of this process of this money to me? Then I have to give to the government. They can just take it.

I don't want to look at it and have it. And then, you know, then I started thinking more about wanting to buy a house in the last few years, buy a flat. I don't really understand mortgages. Was never taught in school. really understand mortgages. Was never taught in school. What are mortgages? Like these are the things to kind of, how to look after yourself in life. I think it's actually can be really detrimental,

especially if you live in a city area, right? Because I remember when I used to catch the 38 bus into school, the bus stop was right outside of Foxton's estate agents. And all the houses in the area that I lived in were like a million pounds. And I didn't understand what a mortgage was at that point. So already before I'd even started anywhere, I was just like, I can't do life.

I can't. I have to make a million pounds to buy a house I'm worthless I'm gonna be homeless I can't handle it like and it feels like such a it's we're laughing about it but actually if you don't have somebody explaining how these things work and I've like how can that not be a really intimidating place to start from it's like I'm getting on the bus to school to go and get an education to get a job to buy myself a house right and they're a million quid like how's that gonna happen and that's the thing what you should be doing is getting on a bus to a place that explains exactly what that is and how it works in life and you know what wait a minute i did because this is

actually shocking i did look it up this is according to the Money and Pensions Service. This is unbelievable. People should be taught about the functions and uses of money, budgeting, managing risk, credit and debt, insurance, savings, pensions, applying maths to financial context. None of this was taught to us in school. This should be taught. When specific financial education

is not a requirement, the math curriculum does include some learning about money, such as understanding coins and calculating change. Because that's going to help you get to the top. That is useful. Calculating change. Makita, have you got

a pension? Obviously not. Fuck you. Fuck you and your tiny questions. have you got a pension? Obviously not. Fuck you. Fuck you and your tiny questions. Have you got a pension? Have you got a cash ISA? Got any ISAs? I mean, I don't know what an ISA is. Don't you have a broker that deals with your investments?

What? What? By the way, I have none of the above above i do not know what i'm talking about sometimes people bring it up as if it's like a given i'm like don't worry guess am i gonna die don't worry guess who's in our gang everyone sandy toxvig okay so i was with her this week for a work thing uh what a woman god i love sandy toxvig now she's with her this week for a work thing. What a woman. God, I love Sandy Toksvig now. She's with her beautiful wife, Debbie. And she said she just got a pension and she's in her 60s.

And I said, how come? And she said, because when we were young, you, me, your mum, I'm sure Lily's mum, no one was thinking about getting a pension. They were all making so much fucking money. Bastards. Sorry. Yeah, but I think also there just wasn't... Boomers. I wonder how many properties Sandy's got. She's got quite a few actually.

She doesn't have to think about pension. Yeah, of course. There you fucking go. Jesus Christ. I mean, I love Sandy, but of course you're not worried about a pension. You just sold one of your properties. No, she's not like that. They live on a houseboat. Oh, yeah.

So fuck you and take it back from Sandy. I really love her. I take it back. I'm actually not going to stand for it. I take it back. I take it back. No, but I just don't think we should give ourselves a hard time for not having these things in place.

Now is the time as we enter our new decade. Okay. If you can get yourself set up with a pension by the end of this year, I will be very proud of you. Why will it take that long? I don't know. Can't I just do it like tomorrow?

Online. Okay, do it then. Sure, I could. Well, tell me, what is the process? I don't know. I haven't got one. When are you supposed to think about pensions? A pension?

Oh, you know who's got a pension? My nanny. And she lives off it. Okay. So vital in our later life, I'd say. But she was a teacher, a primary school teacher. So she put that in place. This is what I mean.

You've got to have, well, maybe it skips a generation. Because my nan was great with her money. mom terrible me terrible maybe it skips two generations maybe you're maybe zed your dog's gonna be the one that sorts it all out it's going to have everything in place but your mom good with money good with money you good with money no terrible with money you know I lost my house over town I got I had um a beautiful house which was my house of dreams in the countryside you did it up so nice I did it up so nice and it was like my life project it was you know I was very proud of it it was the place that I was going to raise my children. And I have always been quite good with my tax. You know, I'm a big firm believer in paying tax. I think people in a higher earning bracket know, put money aside to pay for my tax. What happened was I got sued by somebody for an extremely large amount of money, which I hadn't accounted for.

And so I had to pay him off with the money that I had put aside for my tax. And then when my tax bill came along, I tried to work out a deal with HMRC in which I could pay them back in installments, which I would have been able to do but they said no so I had to put my house on the market and it was absolutely soul-destroying and a real lesson you know in life and to you know you can think that you have everything all sorted out and you just absolutely don't um and you and you can't trust anyone just anyone but also you know what sad sad story if that wasn't sad enough is that every day i still check the housing market to see if that house has come back on sale but babe would you want to go backwards yeah i'd love to have that house back

moonwalk back in there, wouldn't you? I'm back, I'm back. You know it, you know it. I'd fucking love to return to that house with everything that we've learned since we left. I wonder if it's any better in America. I don't know because I haven't got to that point yet with my kids. And also whenever they bring out their maths homework,

I pretend something important has come up. Oh, something's burning in the kitchen. Oh, someone from the world of showbiz. I've got to go on a call. Oh my God, really? Wait a minute, wait a minute. Ethel is 12, Marnie is 11. How bad can it be?

Long division? No, it's worse than that. But I think I told you I think we discussed it before right that she at Marnie and I sat down to do some maths quite recently and there was like quite a tough question but her the way they do it at hers at school it's all done on a computer and so it's like you you do the workings on a piece of paper and then you input the answer into a box on the on the laptop and then you press like send and if it's not right then you go back and you do it again until you get the right answer and I think you get three tries and if by the third try you haven't got it the question right

then it's marked as wrong so me and Marnie was sitting there working this thing that was very complicated and then we'd done it twice got it wrong twice and then we had one go left and she was about to input and I was like no no hang on wait I think I think twice, got it wrong twice and then we had one go left and she was about to input and I was like, no, no, no, hang on, wait, I think we've got this wrong. Let me just figure this out. We did it together, put it in. It was right.

I did not stop talking about it for about six weeks. I was like. Tell me that this was high level algebra. I can't even remember what it was, but Marnie was just like mom relax it's fifth grade maths like you should be able to do it mom kick back babe i mean i remember being a teenager and being so fucking excited when i understood pythagoras theorem oh i'd love to hear you explain pythagoras is that the one about is that the one about the triangle right it's the triangle right

it's the fucking it is that triangle is that sin cos and tan this is it no it's this isn't it no it's this isn't it no it's like you take away the two points of the triangle and what's left is the next angle congratulations i have no idea oh okay i thought you knew but what was sin cos and tan sin cos and tan i've never heard of is that a math thing hold tight hold tight caller that might be an american no it's not america that might be something that's math not not math sin Sin, cos and tan. GCSE. It's trigonometry. Okay.

A right angle triangle. Yeah, it is about. Yeah, here we go. So, okay. Okay, that's all I need to know. Trigonometry is triggering, to be completely honest. Triggering-nometry. Triggering-nometry.

It's not that triggering because I didn't do that much of it. That's our title for this week's show, by the way. Triggering-nometry. Triggering-nometry. It's not that triggering because I didn't do that much of it. That's our title for this week's show, by the way. Triggering-nometry. Triggering-nometry. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. Let's write that down. Time for a break, I think.

I bloody agree. I'm done with you for the next three minutes. My name is Annie McManus. And my name is Nick Grimshaw. How long have we known each other babe? Probably 20 years now.

And in that time we've always worked in and around music right? We have. So it kind of makes sense that we do a podcast about it. It sounds like it's

been 20 years in the making. It's not Avatar for podcasts basically but it is good. So we put the world to rights with regards to music. It's all the world to rights with regards to music.

It's all the stuff that you'd want to chat to your mate about over a pint. Sidetracked with us, Annie and Nick. Listen on BBC Sounds. What I wanted to talk about was your culture vulturing. And we've got to find a new... I know. You can't call me a culture vulture.

That diminishes it. Some might even say it's a bit reductive of your culture experience. But you are like a student. Talking of wanting to go back to school or wishing you had a degree, you live a bit like that, Lilz. Now, when you get here, you are like a student. I imagine you've got like a rucksack on and you sort of go to every play that you can get to most nights you're going to

a play. Yeah so I've been here I've been here a couple of weeks and now I've been to see Harry Clarke at the Ambassador's Theatre which was with Billy Crudup which is a a, it was a one man show, a monologue. I still fancy Billy Crudup, you know. Yeah, same. And great actor. I will say my favourite play that I went to go and see this week was a play called For Black Boys Who Have Considered Suicide When The Hue Gets Too Heavy. Bit of a mouthful.

And that was playing at the Garrick. And it was absolutely brilliant. It was written by and directed by a guy called Ryan Calais Cameron. And it's about five boys, I think, black boys growing up in London. And it starts when they're about, I guess, like like six they're sort of like in a playground skipping and it's all about um each of their sort of relationships with their surroundings and what they're coming into contact with in their home lives and within their um uh sort of like neighborhood but then the second half is the second half is more about their

um relationships to love and or their sort of like relationships to love and intimacy and all black boys all black boys and I have to say it was like probably 90 people of color in the audience and I was you know I am a white woman and you were the anomaly and I went on my own um and it was a really interesting experience I didn't have any I didn't know what the play was going to be when I went to go and see it so I had no expectations but you know in the first few minutes of the the play they're like they're enacting a scene where um where they're skipping at school do you mean like skipping like ropes yes like you like you skipping and they're doing like the songs but they're uh it's narrated and all of the actors

obviously are black um but they're playing some one of them's playing the sort of narrator of the of this one character and then the rest of them I suppose are meant to be uh white kids at the school so they're kind of like they're doing this song and they're skipping and blah blah blah and he's talking about how they never let him join in the games and then one day the guy that he's like always looked up to like his sort of like the most popular guy in the class, asks him if he wants to join in or like can he walk him home? And he's like, oh my God. And like as a white person, I'm sort of like laughing along with this.

And then he goes, but that was before I knew about White Saviour Complex. And I'm like. And I was like, okay, this isn't going to be an easy ride. Okay, this isn't't gonna be an easy one okay this isn't gonna be an easy right okay but I'm here but it was like and then you know there's just so there's a lot of referencing about you know racism that black people experience in their day-to-day lives and because it's such a predominantly black audience and people are like making noises and agreeing with what they're hearing on stage.

And as a white person, I'm like incredibly aware of it because they're talking about people that look and sound like me and the violence that we enact on a daily basis. So it was just, it was like joyous, sorrowful, uncomfortable, funny, just everything that you want from a theatrical experience. And I just absolutely loved it.

I just loved it. And also I just thought it was really interesting being in a space that is you know the theater is like predominantly white right middle class um but the tickets were priced really really well it was clear to me that like people from all age groups and as I said it was like 90 people of color I just felt like I've I felt like not stressed out but. I just felt like, I felt like, not stressed out, but like, I just felt very aware that I was in the minority. And I thought, right, okay, this is probably how people of colour feel when they come to the theatre, right? And they're surrounded by white, upper class or middle class

people. It's like, it felt uncomfortable. And I think that was kind of the point of it, really. So yeah, I felt like it was a job well done. Point of it for your experience. Exactly. I think that it served, it was like, it served, I would imagine for people of colour, they went and they felt, you know, joyful. Well, not joyful because, you know,

it's not necessarily a joyful story. United. United. And at least heard and seen. And for white people, it was like, okay, okay. I get it.

This kind of thing is not often explained to me. And I felt very grateful for the experience. Yeah. I'd really like you to go and see it. Yeah, I'm just thinking I'm so fucking used to this.

When I was 22, I decided to stop going to the theatre a lot. Mainly guided by the actors in the play that I fancied. And I'm telling the truth, but I did see a lot of theatre. But I saw a lot of handsome men do a lot of great theatre. Usually the only black person there there and I'm mixed race. How does that feel? Standard. But is it something that you, that when you go into those spaces,

you're like, okay, I'm the only, I'm the only mixed race person here? No, you don't. I don't notice it because it's just the way the world looks. Right. Yeah. It's just the world. Yeah, like, I don't want to give an example because it's just like most things in life

are predominantly filled with white people and you are the minority. I wouldn't even know where to start. The street, a football game, a posh restaurant. But you don't feel like that walking down the street in Clapton, right? Because there are, it's not. Now I fucking do.

Right, now you do. Everyone is white here now. And that's fine. Now I fucking do. Right. Everyone is white here now. And that's fine. I don't want to go into gentrification. We talked about it last week and it pissed me off enough. I don't want to go into it. I've finally watched The Bear this week. And I know, I know how late I am And I know how late I am. I know how late I am. But as you know, I have dated a lot of chefs.

And I wasn't really in the mood to watch a brilliant show about a sexy chef. But I watched it and it was so fantastic. You've watched it, surely. Did you love it? I was so fantastic. You've watched it, surely. Did you love it? I absolutely loved it. Have you watched the whole thing? Did you binge it?

Yeah, I've watched sort of halfway through series two. I've watched series one and series two of The Bear. I have not watched series three because it has not been made yet. It is in production as we speak. And I just saw they've commissioned series four as well. You know when you're really onto something where they're like, we haven't even made series three, but let's commission series four.

Fuck yeah. No, it's very, very good. Totally fancied him. Totally fancied him. Yeah, he's a bit up your strata actually. Jeremy Allen White. The guy that plays the cousin, Eben, is a friend of David's.

Totally fancy him as well. Yeah, no comment. He comes over to my house sometimes. Is that why there's no comment? He's very good at baking bread. He's brought some of his own bread over to our house and I've eaten it

and it is delicious. Right. So you're actually quite closely involved with members of the bear. So if he wasn't dating Rosalia, Rosalia, who Jeremy Alan White from The Bear is currently dating. What a match.

Yeah, good match. Good match. I was like, that's vibey, that's vibey. Just stop. Too many pictures of them snogging at the farmer's market. I was like, this is so vibey. Yeah, I know. Okay, in terms of hot couples, are we like Dua and Callum or Rosalia and Jeremy Allen White?

I'd say Jeremy Allen White and Rosalia are like a bit more. Oh no. Or not. They're all not. Chica. Top tier. Top tier. Callum and Dua did a good look this week.

It's all getting very mirroring. Their energy, the black black leather the facial expression I was like do you think they're the new Pottenbecks actually no

kind of they're a bit more international than that aren't they because of Jew is America presence no are you joking

the Pottenbecks were as international as you could get she was a Spice Girl and he was like a worldwide renowned footballer. No, but they weren't Americanized

till that terrible LA move where Victoria Beckham cut her hair blonde and they were like welcomed by Tom Cruise and Will Smith. Yeah, but Americanized is one part of the world. I think that I am talking

when you go East, you know, they were definitely a thing in Asia and around that side of the world. Yes, because of the world. Oh, yes. Yes, because of the football. Correct. Yes.

No, I don't think they're the new posh and becks yet, but hey, there's still time. Give it some time. Time, Callum and Dua. What do you think they'll call their kids? They're not going to have kids. Tim and Tay and Kylie will have a kid before Callum and Dua, okay? I can't believe we've turned into this.

This is now where our podcast is. We're like the Daily Mail sidebar of shame. That's enough. We're not the 3am girls. Get rid. Well, that was nice, Makita, Oliver. No, Lily. No, Lily. I loved that.

But it is now ended. We are... Going to be back with Listen, Bitch. I know people might think that it's not on because it's bank holiday, but it is on. Listen, Bitch doesn't stop for bank holidays. It doesn't stop for anyone. Doesn't stop for anything.

The word, you know, bank holiday still makes me think of that excellent bank holiday we spent outside the Metropolitan in Westbourne Park on your Peugeot 206. Oh God, the Peugeot 206 days were truly the ones. Truly the ones. They were our coming of age years. That car. It's so true. Gosh, it was an absolute state, that car. It stank.

And also it just was it do you remember they had the advert at the time where it was like the indian guy was driving along in the peugeot 206 but it had all been like hammered into the into the to a shape of a peugeot 206 it was like another car that he'd like molded into a peugeot 206 but with the hammer right because the peugeot 206 was the car to have and he couldn't afford it. So he basically moulded himself on. Mine actually looked like that car

because it had been crashed so much. I crashed it. I crashed it. I'm not even joking. Within half an hour of buying it. I know, but you were so early to pass. You were the first one out of all of us, if it was still,

because I still can't drive, to have passed your test. You did it so early like 16 you were there ready to go 17 maybe when you got the project and we all lived in west and we used to just bowl round grove in that dig blaring music blaring lady sovereign lady sore yeah yeah with a little bit of lady soft come now now. If I was a rich girl. And also... What is it?

How did it go? Money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money. Money can't buy love. No, really. Actually, this was a huge rag of time in our lives. Money, money. But then, of course... Would I get a little bit blended?

Wait. And there was... You think I'm nice. You know I'm nice because your eyes look twice. Look twice. Up, down, left, right, left, right, left, right. One bag jeans and a tight top. Women are the devil, devil, devil.

Actually, that might have to be a Listen Bitch theme. Shoons from 2001. Sorry, see you for Listen Bitch. Bank holiday don't stop us. Don't worry about that. Listen Bitch. Bank holiday don't stop us. Don't worry about that.

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It's just going to appear whether you like it or not. I like that. I like that. Lily and Makita, the new U2. Bye. Bye, Lily.

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