MMA Fighting - BTL | Aljamain Sterling Shines, Dana White's Comments, JDM x Prates

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

Alexander Volkanovski has options, and after his lopsided decision victory over Youssef Zalal at UFC Vegas 116, Aljamain Sterling wants his chance to fight for the featherweight title. Did "Funk Master" do enough to leapfrog Movsar Evloev, or will the UFC finally give Evloev his shot? On an all-new edition of Between the Links, the panel reacts to Sterling's big win, what the title picture looks like, and how Sterling currently fits in. Additionally, topics may include Dana White's wild comments following the White House Correspondents' dinner incident over the weekend, reaction to Colby Covington's Swing Rounds debut and sharing a side of him people haven't seen in quite some time, UFC Perth this weekend headlined by former champ Jack Della Maddalena and Carlos Prates, and more. Join MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew as they answer your questions all show long. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The producer, whoever that idiot is, push the wrong button. But we're here. It's BTL time. We're here a couple of days early. Happy Tuesday to us all. And it's great to be here. It's my fault that we're going a couple of days early due to some scheduling issues. I'm actually going to take a day off on a Thursday. How about that? But lots to talk about, of course, in the wild world of combat sports here on YouTube. Shout out to the Twitchers. And we are live on the M.A. Fighting Twitter page as well for a change. We are just getting all up in the social media places and joining me to answer your questions

and talk about all the comings and goings in the combat sports world. He is Mr. No Gray area, the hot take kid himself. There he is, the one and only Jedmishu from M.A.fighting.com with the whiteboard that says, Congrats Movesar. How are you, sir? Good. You know, I'm excited to be here in Matchmake for on to the next one, a little late in the week for that. Mike. And shout out. Didn't know we were on the Twitter machine. Way to go. Look at us. Expanding horizons. Yeah, I figured, you know, let's give it a show. We have the option. So might as well. We have the technology. Might as well. Yes. Shot of 79 on Sunday, Mike. This is a strong week. We got, we have good.

fights this weekend. Yeah. Strong week. So you're back. The golf game is back on track. It feels like it might be. I still don't have a seven iron, which is a complicating factor. I need to get, I'm gonna get fit for clubs sometime in the next couple of weeks here because I need them, but kind of out of nowhere, didn't anticipate doing it. I was on like three hours sleep because it was Sunday morning after working later than I wanted to on Saturday, quite frankly. frankly with that card. But yeah, we're back. We're back and vibe it.

It's good to hear. I shot an 85 on Saturday. I was happy. I actually, I was without a 50 degree wedge, which has been one of my better clubs in the bag. I left it on another hole. And I got to 18,

needed a birdie to shoot 39 on the back. And I left myself in a good spot on the par five. And I was like, man, one 10 away. I would love my 50 degree right now. Didn't have it. So I choked down on an A wedge and I thought I hit a perfect shot and hit it a little too far.

End up bogeing the hole after going over the green with the approach shot. So it was kind of a bummer shot in an 85. But then I found it. I got back. I was like, did anyone turn into 50? He's like, I don't think so,

but you could check in over there. And sure enough, the first club I picked up was the 50. So tomorrow, going back out there and see if we can, uh, we could do a little bit better. But tomorrow,

are you off tomorrow too? Do you have a back to back off day? Yeah, your own little bid week weekend yeah i mean i mean those are so fun they are lovely i have worked i think 11 out of the last 12 days so that's a lot i'll take i'll take you should take them i'll take the two days for sure but uh all right let's go to the questions here and see what is on your mind of course super chatters get to the top of the line but let's go to our good friend joseph oboeira arro honi reporting the plan for ufc 329 is patty versus benwa santini thoughts

if that comes to fruition. So to be clear, Patty Pimblatt is the one who is insinuating this. Ariel talked about it on the show. Patty did a video on his YouTube channel. He had a beret on. He was eating a baguette. He's like, I can't tell you who it is, but made it pretty obvious that it's probably Benoit Santany at International Fight Week.

So thoughts on this, if this is the fight. And as of now, it kind of seems like this is what we're getting on July 11th in Las Vegas. Nevada. I mean, the thing is, theoretically, it could have been for ASEAM, right? Like, there could be mystery, but for the fact that he got books. Yeah, that's true. So it's like, because, you know, French lightweight, there are two of them that are in the rankings.

I think Ziam's still ranked. But since he's booked, that sort of process of elimination, this has been rumored for quite some time, partly spurred on by Patty, who has sort of been suggesting this for thing. but, and to be clear, based on the phrasing of the question, you know, this is a rumored fight for IFW, not the main event or anything like that. A little weird, not the fight-eyed book,

but I don't think it's a bad fight for the UFC to book. Like, just from a nuts and bolt standpoint, I think it can be a really fun matchup. You've got two top 15 lightweights. I think Patty is good. I don't think Patty's great, but I think Patty's good. I think PSD is a higher ceiling,

and he's on a night. he has recovered from his two-fight losing streak. I would have thought they'd give Patty a softer touch in his return from losing the interim title fight, right? Like, uh, or just, I mean, it just feels like the Moikano fight is right there that's been there for a hot minute. And to not go for that is an interesting choice because I think, I mean, I think BSD can and I will pick him to beat Patty.

And so that's, that's questionable to me from a, like from a promotional standpoint. What's the goal in this fight? Because I guess the goal maybe is just like, okay, if BSD beats him, we can build a star off of Patty here. And then BSD's fighting for the belt in his next run up, which I think BSD fighting for a belt is probably a good thing overall. Very exciting dude. And if Patty beats him, he's right back in the mix. So it's not like awful, just not how I would have gone. And I think as the feature bout of International Fight Week, I think that makes a ton of sense.

is totally fun. Yeah, it's a, I would say I am surprised because I'm with you. Like, if I'm Shelby and Maynard and Hunter and Dana, like this is the last fight I would want to book for Patty, but,

you know, shout out to Patty, man. He could have easily been like, nah, I'll fight Boycano, which, you know, not an easy fight by any stretch, but probably a more winnable fight. That makes more sense. Yeah, Dan Hooker would have made a lot of sense too. I think that's a fight Patty probably

good of one. And this one, you know, shout out to Patty Pimbley. He could have gone a different direction and he's going with a really tough matchup, a guy who has a lot of cachet with the hardcore fan base, not a lot of casual appeal at this moment, but dude is

an absolute menace in there. He bounced back from the two losses. He's finished four fights in a row. So he's on a good run. This is a really good opportunity for Ben Wausantini. And you assume they're going to Paris sometime this fall. Usually they go there in September.

And if BSD goes out and beats Patty, maybe they put him in a, like a number one contender fight of some kind, out in headlining in Paris, which should be pretty sick for him. I mean, this probably just, like, if he beats Patty, his next fight should just be for the belt.

I guess maybe that's not what happens. But like, under the auspice that Ilya is not going to defend his title after the White House guard, because he's just not going to do that. I hope he does because the only fight that makes any remote sense at all is Ily to Burra versus Armant-Serukin.

I will believe that fight happens when they are in the cage opposite each other. And so, like, if I was going to leave, which I think is 80-20 that he is going to leave after he beats Justin Gehche, then who is Armand-fighting? Like, a BSD should be the setup for that. But then if they're going to France, does he fight again? It's a weird fight as far as the ramifications and down the line. it's you know in a vacuum a fine fight i just think in context not the one i'd have chosen yeah because i mean i i think what they're going to end up doing if ilia wins is if gaiti wins

they're going to do i mean gaitch you should just retire if he beat tilia i mean that's that's that's as good as it gets but maybe six around for one more and he probably actually he'll probably get his choice so he would probably want to get that one back against all of error rather than fight arman i mean that's what i would do if i was him but if ilia wins and he probably will than Armand Charles Oliver probably for the vacant belts. That's so dumb, dude. God, like, I credit to Charles Oliverer, who's still getting very important, meaningful wins.

Like, just come on. Let a new human being be in the mix of it. And their first fight was good. He's got his weird ass whatever about the BMF now. Like, do new people. Like, let new people be involved in things. I mean, Armand would be. somewhat new.

Yes, but like, all like, Arm and BSD is like just a way better fight for like assuming BSD beats Patty if this all happens. We'll then just doing a rematch of that fight. Like, give me something new. Please.

This is the same old shit is running out. Lightweight continues to lightweight. Masters, if Ty Tauivasa loses now, what happens? Light bulb tester, reindeer, Walker, maybe,

L. well, is this it for Ty if you lose this has to be, right? It just has to be. Yes. I mean, when you say now that sort of implies that the change of opponent matters, how do he lost? I'm going to look this up.

Let me make sure I'm not completely lying. But I believe that would be seven in a row for the shooy man himself. Is that right? Yes, that would be seven losses in a row. And depending how it happens, I mean, at least he's losing less badly. They've been decisions the last two times. but seven losses and like as a rule you should just get cut on five losses in a row if you lose five fights in a row you should just be like yep go win some fights elsewhere

and you can return seven like what are we even talking about here so and this is I don't know if louis sutherland is easier or more difficult like it's it's pretty on par with uh the sheriff fight maybe it's like slightly more challenging I'm maybe it's not but like you can't be doing this shout out and we talk about this or was this me and a k talking about it on the preview show it might have been me an a k mike uh the best thing that happened all of last week was gilbert burns coming out and throwing not intentionally throwing shade at mike malott but uh just hitting him with a stray when he's like i had a retirement plan and then i lost a mike malott and if i'll lose no like mike malott i shouldn't be doing this anymore

More fighters need that sort of awareness. And if you're losing to Louis Sutherland and you've lost seven in a row, just leave. Do something else. Construction is a tough job. But like if that's what you need to pay the bills, you can get better health insurance there. Like we can't be doing seven in a row and keep running it up. Yeah. I mean, it's not like he wouldn't have options.

You can go do dirty boxing or go do game bread or misfits or something like that. Go to BKFC. BKFC makes all the sense in the world for Taito Uvasa. There you go. BKFC. We could do that too. So lots of options here for a tie if he loses, but it's about as good of a matchup as he could ask for.

Sharaf was probably a better one. But, you know, as long as Louis, if Louis wants to stand and bang with him, then it's a fight he could win. And if Louis wants to be smart and just get a win, He should just tackle that man over and over again and do the over two and a half. And heavyweight overs will be indeed back some more. So that's what I would do.

Larissa Sterling. Two heavy weights on the main card. With that main event, sick, there's another couple of good fights on this card. The main event is just awesome. It's the best fight on the books right now. Somebody asked me about that in the pre-fight Q&A this weekend. and this is the best fight on the books. Two heavy weights on a main card is tough.

Yeah. But if Ty goes out there and just nuke Sutherland, that'll be an electric audience in Perth, no doubt about it. I mean, yeah, it would be great. Larissa, Sterling's next opponent after beating Yusuf Salal. So a lot of talk about who's next

for Alexander Volcanowski, Jed. You have the sign. I'll pull it up for the people. Congrats above Zar. You feel like this wind, only helped Moe's case and Al Jermaine Sterling is stating his case to everybody who will listen

that he should be the guy to fight Algen of Volkadovsky next. So if it's not the title fight, are we just going Aljo John Silva, Eliminator? Is that we're doing? That's what I do. I think AK may have pitched on all not know, Yaya Rodriguez, and that would also be totally, acceptable. But I think in Aljo, John Silva, that's no doubt about a title limiter, right?

Like if Steve Garcia beats Diego Lopez, then maybe things get a little wonky there. But Aljo versus Jean Silva, it's a fight Aljo can win. You know, Diego Lopez was cooking Jean-Silva on the floor in their first content, or in their fight. He can win it. He can lose it. It's a great fight. You know, I understand Aljo's going to make his case and can't knock the man for trying. I don't love the case that he's making, quite frankly.

And I hope that he doesn't get it. just because Mofsar deserves to be fighting for it. Like he just deserves it. And at some point, God willing, we will eat a vegetable one time in our lives and just let this man fight for a belt. And then Aljo can get next if he beat John Silva.

So that's what I do. I think it's not a zero percenter that he does get it. It would just be such a shame if he got it. Yeah. And then we got Malky and Arnold Allen, which I don't think either of those two guys are really in the conversation right now, but if Malky goes out there and beats Arnold, then.

Melky blows up all right there in the mix. You know, like he wouldn't be getting a title fight off it, but he's one one away. And you can kind of book him against any of these dudes. Like if you booked Aljo versus Lorone Murphy, that wouldn't be unreasonable. You know,

like I think he just needs one more win because there's a guy in front of him and that guy should fight for it. But he's going to try and jump him. And you can't, like you said, you can't knock. forward even i just don't think he's making the best case for it yeah i mean obviously there's a story they should just done it already i think that's where you should have done it just been like all right

let's just throw the former champion in there with volk like if we're not announcing a fight for literally anything other than diego lopez the second time so sure but at no point in time has he been the most the most just choice to fight for a belt like at no point in his featherweight tenure has aljames sterling been the right choice for a title fight But like he might just get it because they hate Mopsar. Do Alger John Silva. If Melke, no matter who wins Melky, Arnold Allen, they fight the winner of Garcia Lopez.

Like it's all set up. That's fine. It works out great. Then we can just kind of let the dominoes fall a little bit. But Zalal and Lorone Murphy fight or whatever. Sure. I like Zalalal and Aaron Pico, honestly. Yeah.

That's fine. We already talked about that. Let's see. What else we get? There's a lot of thoughts here. Koso, what does it say about the current state of boxing in that we have two amazing boxing matches this weekend and nobody is talking about it?

Yes, we have Inoua and Benavides both competing on Saturday. But yeah, I'm not seeing it. Even in the, I know we're more of an MMA site, but we will be covering both of those events on Saturday. But, yeah, even in like the boxing world, I'm not hearing very much about this. I don't know on that. I'm not plugged into the boxing world. I would assume that they're talking about Benavita Zerto because Benavides is a popular and exciting and interesting fighter.

And Inouye is one of the three-pound-for-pound greats in the world. But like Inouye has always been a little black hole anyway. You know, he's a Japanese boxer. He competes primarily in Japan. And at time, like, he competes on, he does the thing where that happens in that sort of space. It's like, oh, he fights on a Tuesday night at three in the morning Eastern time. And that just sort of inherently means you are less discussed than other entities in a combat sport space. And so I'm not like totally surprised by in a way.

Like I am always surprised when it's in a way fight week because I will hear like, oh, in a ways fighting like in four days or whatever it is. Like, oh, okay, cool. I certainly agree that it hasn't broken through to the MMA side of things. Like nobody is speaking about these, but I do not watch boxing spaces heavily. And so I am less willing to sort of agree with the contention here that nobody's talking about this. I would assume that boxing people are talking about this because you've got two top 10 pound-for-pound fighters competing this weekend. But I don't know that for a fact. Yeah, I'm not seeing a lot of it on the,

old timeline, but my timeline is minimally boxing centric. So it's just like, I'm not a great question for me on this one. Yeah. Joseph, any update on the rumors of Islam Eamachado Gary for UFC 330?

Homo fight reported that. How random would it be if Islam fought in Philly? I mean, Islam fights in Newark all the time. So it wouldn't be that. I think Islam's last three fights were it was Newark, L.A. MSG. So it's not that far.

I mean, L.A. is obviously across the country. But Newark, MSG, Philly, there you go. This could be, I mean, we could see this at 329 as well. You were close. Well, you weren't, you missed one of them. What three did you say that these fights were? Newark was Porre, right? That's correct.

That was L.A. Correct. That was Moikano. Correct. And then MSG. I missed, misheard you on L. L.A, yes. Yeah, MSG was JDAM.

And then before that, it was Abu Dhabi, Perth, Abu Dhabi. Like, they only go to Abu Dhabi so many times. I'm not confident they're going to Abu Dhabi a lot in the near future because of global geopolitics. They go to New York once a year. If he fought every in every MSG card, okay. Like most champions don't fight in one location. that really only ever happens with like a champion localized to that location and in the UFC even that doesn't really happen like it's not Volk fought in australia like twice or something

insane like that was like the whole thing about volt going to Perth's like oh i get to do i haven't got to fight in sydney or whatever so um you know champions go on the road and when you're as a mock champion one of the biggest stars in the sport you will draw a crowd any anywhere you go. It's true. I don't know if this happens in Philly. It could. It could also be, this could be

329 too. This could be the International Fight Week main event. It's very possible. I mean, we don't know what's going on with Connor McGregor at this point. Is he going to fight international fight week? Seems to be teasing something else at this point. He was wearing like Lakers jerseys and shit.

I don't know what's going on there. So yeah, well, hopefully we find out soon enough. It might be where they are holding to see if they can get Connor over. the line. Yeah. Because Conner's not, Connor fighting in Newark or Philly would be like weird,

right? That'd be a little weird for Connor to do that. And so just hold. And if they can't get whatever the Connor deal is over the line, then we go to Islam Gary and that's perfectly fine there. Rumored 330 fights. No idea. I mean,

I've heard very little about UFC 330. I mean, So my thought would be this And I think I've said this on other shows If Hamzaa Chimae if beat Sean Strickland next weekend And most people believe he will He's done at 185 He's going up

He's defended his belt He's done what he said he was going to do And the UFC will let him move up He will vacate the belt Therefore Philly's own Joe Pfeiffer Will headline UFC 330 in Fifex vacant belt against

no chance it should be imovov but probably ddp they'll go for like the bigger name and imovov gets screwed again but it should be imovov as one half of that fight but you bet your ass they're gonna try to put joe piper in the main event in philly to fight for his first title i i will bet you no i did i think that that's just not in play i think joe pifer will be on the card i think it will be joe pifer versus is DDP in a five-round co-main event or whatever.

But like that would be such a fast turnaround for them to be like, oh, Hamzot is definitely going up, ditch the belt. Like I don't, that would be the most shoehorn shit of all time. And I refuse to believe that the UFC's that level of nonsense right now. So I think Pfe will be on it. I think Sean Brady, he's fighting. Who's he fighting? He's fighting next weekend.

Buckley. next week in Buckley. He should win that fight. I mean, I think he should win or lose. He will want to be fighting in Philly. So you'll get Brady and Buckley, you know, smattering of other Philly guys. I absolutely try to push Piper up there if they can. I just don't.

I believe Piper will be there. I don't believe he will be fighting for a belt on that card. If they do a vacant belt. I will believe that the day they are fighting for the belt on that card. Okay. I mean, if the. the timing could not be better for this honestly like gait she i mean patty shouldn't have been fighting for the for the interim lightweight belt and they did it with him yeah but patty's a way

bigger star than piper is right they're trying with piper i'm gonna date his guy you you can pitch this to me as much as you want and maybe you're right and i'm wrong i am telling you i will not believe it until the moment they set foot in the cage okay it's two nonsense i refuse to engage they're gonna try to do it You watch. But who knows? If Sean Strickland goes on wins, then it doesn't matter. Ladies a bed, Vicente Leuke did an interview, Danny Seguro, where he called out Jared

Canineer. Did he do the thing or bite off more than he can chew? I think that's probably good. That's fine. Yeah. It's weird. Never once thought about those two dudes fighting each other. That's all right.

Yeah, I'm fine. I mean, he probably did bite off more than he can chew. dude because even he just looked like a fat welterweight he didn't even look like a middleweight he's not he's basically he's terrible now um but as far as making a call out like what are his other options there realistically you know like who who else would even make sense for him to

to make a push there uh so yeah I think that's not bad uh I mean is he deletes a Yeah, I mean, is he should take the fight because he could win it. So that'd be good for him. Yeah, I'm trying to tell you.

It's going to be, let me tell you, here's, I retract it. 3.30 is going to be Joe Piper versus Sean Strickland, and that is a fight that is made for Philly. Those two dudes in Philly just feels, that feels right for Philly. Those two dudes in the co-main event, five-rounder. Sean Strickland is not going to fight for a vacant belt after he gets run over by Hansa. It'll be DDP versus Emov, and then Strickland and Pfeer in the five-round combing event. We're just going to give DDP a title shot after getting rinsed in his last fight. Yeah, because he was a lot of one.

Or you're going to give Strickland the same thing, only at least DDP had a long title reign. Who's the bigger star, Jed? Sean Strickland is the biggest thing. Come on my. idle rain. But he's, that doesn't matter though. Doesn't it?

Yeah. Again, I'm not engaging with your nonsense about Piper Fighting for Belt and Philly. I refuse. I refuse to be baited. I've given you what's going to happen. Oh,

man. Alexander. Mike, is Colby actually any good at golf? He's seen more normal than usual. He was actually very normal. A lot of people pointed that out. I had people hitting me up being like,

Colby might actually be kind of likable after that video. So thanks for everybody watching. If you haven't seen it. face term. He was very good. Very thoughtful, very reflective. Very normal Colby. This is the guy that I've been kind of telling everybody about the last couple of years.

Like that side of him came out. Now, did he say a few things that were Colby? Yes, sure he did. But for the most part, he's very relaxed. Is he good at golf? He hit the shit out of the ball off the tee. That's for sure. He had some good shots.

He played really well, honestly. And thank God he did because I played like ass. but I don't know. I got to get past the camera, putting pressure on me for the first four holes. And then I started picking things up. Yeah, Colby. Colby was good, man.

We were ham and egg and when I sucked, he was good. And when he was bad, I was good. So it's good, good round. So go check that out if you haven't checked it out. Lazy bit. Surkian recently claimed the UFC had wanted him versus Chandler at the White House,

but pivoted to Ruffy for a more competitive matchup by or sell. I can see this. I haven't seen this. Probably sell. I mean, it's definitely not a more competitive matchup. Both men are going to, would kill him. So I probably sell that. It just feels odd, right?

Like, that feels, why would they want that? Like, what's the benefit to the EFC for that booking? So, yeah. But, I mean, the whole Chandler Ruffy thing, does feel weird. So maybe, because that fight never made sense to me, really?

I don't know. Armine would have been the better choice, honestly. Just having that extra, extra star power. It would be better, but at least with Ruffy, you're building a guy.

Ormond's already a made man. You don't have to build him. But, you know, there's nothing wrong with the showcase fight on a big card. You know? I mean,

ask Sean O'Malley. I've pulled up swing around so I can now judge Colby's swing. and determine if he's good at golf or not. He said he hadn't played in like a year and a half. Oh, look there's Jose. I didn't believe that for a second.

I mean, you would think he would, you know, down in Mar-a-Lago doing the thing. Come on. How are you not going to play a year and a half? Yeah, I don't buy that. I didn't buy it after some of the shots. His swing is bad, but kind of works. Yeah. Like, it is, it is, I mean,

I mean, he's missing a lot of components to it. You have a much better swing as I watch you fire one off the toe into the trees. Oh, yeah. There are some toe bangers early on, but I did absolutely annihilate one on the par five that we actually, that we buried. I need you to play. I need you to do it with a good golfer because thus far every person who's done it. I'm like, for being every single one of them, I'm like, yeah. when I say that good athletes don't come to me, I'm right.

Because you are ostensibly very good athletes and there's no athleticism in y'all's golf swings. You don't have this fluidity that you would get from like, you know, like you watch Steph Curry golf. You know, like you watch Steph Curry golf. You know, I got golf. Look at that. It looks like an athlete is doing something. Not like somebody who is very confused about how their own body. works. Chris Wyman is a very solid golfer too.

So shout out to him. That one never aired. I would love to run it back with Chris at some point. But that's not a hard one to do because he's out in South Carolina. So love to run it back and see if we could do it. I'm going to try to see if we can get with something cooking in Dallas next month. But even if we just do some like social content, like play a couple holes type of thing. So stay tuned for that.

It's my goal to do as many of those as possible. so you know if you're a company out there and you want to sponsor swing rounds it's going to be big if we could do it consistently i can tell you that right now uh we got lots of ideas uh thank you alexander coli bifister and mike you played good coffee money thank you uh paul jitsu works guys but if you think heavyweight m a sucks imagine heavyweight bjj in the gie for no money where bchechecha and viera won most tough scenes are uh scenes for both of those guys. You have to imagine their runs are probably

over in the UFC after Saturday. Their runs are definitely over. I will push back a little bit on the, like, I mean, I think watching GEE BJJ is mostly not fun. It is not a great spectator sport, in my opinion. If you like it, everybody's

allowed to like what they like. Luke Thomas talked about this on MK this week, and I think he's got the right of it where it's like there's some part of that. Look, if there aren't good athletes in M.A. There really aren't good athletes in Jiu-Jitsu, right? Like, that's just not, that's sort of how the monetary incentive structure, the economics work.

But there is, like, there's such a fundamental difference between grappling and fighting. And that it used to not be, right? Like, those things used to be much more engaged as at the early phases of M.A. And it's just gone so far away. We're like, because honestly, like the biggest portion of, of grappling in MMA is people just be like, I don't want to do this. And so it's not like, oh, I'm going to engage in a role with you on the floor. It's, I'm just going to stand up and leave.

And it's, it's hard to have a one-sided fight, right? Or to do anything when you don't have a willing partner to engage with. And so think about that in a striking context, right? because that feels more easy for people to understand. Like, if you want to have a kickboxing match with somebody who simply doesn't want to do that with you, it's going to be very difficult for you to fight them. Like, they are just going to run away from you.

And that's a lot of what grappling is, especially when you have a high-level jiu-jitsu players, but like, oh, I just don't, I want to do this. I'm just going to not allow you to grapple. And then if you're grappling me, I'm trying to get away and not engage. And like it's in jiu-jitsu when they are forced to engage, because those are the rules of it.

We grapple. It's easier. But at lighter weights, that's a more dynamic thing anyway, whereas heavyweight jiu-jitsu has largely been a positional control, big, strong person thing. And that translates even less effectively into an MMA world where people are just going to be like, nope, stand up.

Jiu's fake. So, you know, I want to give them some leeway on that. But Bajetia has learned no skills. Like, right? Like, you know, if Fabrice over, Doom is a world champion BJJ player, but he learned how to box. And that mattered, Charles O'Levara, like, again, not heavyweight, but Charles Olavera, if he was just a jiu-jitsu player, he was a fun and interesting guy.

And then he learned how to wrestle and take people down and be a genuine threat on the feet and the composite parts of it all developed. But Jetsch never did. So he's really, really bad at M.A. Yeah. You can't just fight Mo Euston. over and over again. Yeah.

I mean, that's fun. You could do that. If you're going to keep him on the roster, like you should just do that all the time. Uh, because those are the kind of fights he could be competitive in. So yeah,

that, uh, that was a tough card, man. Even on my night off, I watched it. The main event I thought was pretty good. I thought out you look good.

There were a couple of good fights on there for sure, but it's not like the fights are terrible. They just, it just, you know, sometimes you watch these events and, it's bad. it just feel like you're watching fights for 45 hours.

There were, well, I mean, yes, we have, oh, I had this, let me see if I still have the number.

There were 13 fights and 11 decisions. Yep. And so we got, time for the record. Time for the record. But, like, of a possible,

like, four hours of fight time or whatever it was, not four hours, because it's 25, or it's 15 minutes. It's like, of a possible, like,

two hours. It was like, we got 98% of the possible. There's some outrageous number, because 11 of the fights went to the cards and the other two. I think one was the first round, one was the second round finished. So just a long time for fights that were mostly meaningless.

There were a couple of good ones. And like, that's the thing. The main event wasn't the most thrilling or exciting fight, but it was meaningful. It was very, very meaningful. And so that was something that's worth talking about and watching. And the feature about, like, the David, David Grant, Martinetti thing.

That was super fun, right? It was just a really fun fight. And so that was worth talking about. And then the rest of it's like, okay, these might not have been terrible. You know, the co-main event was meaningful, right? Like, to the extent that women's Bantamway is meaningful at all at this stage, the UCC's killed that division to their absolute best. They've done everything they can to kill that division.

And the division ain't helping itself either. But like, those are the things that were valuable. And then the rest is just like, that happened. And it might not have been terrible. but we don't, nobody's going to remember it. It just, it just was there. Yeah. It was busy work.

Yeah, we're, we're done talking. After on to the next one, we were done talking about Vegas 160. Like, maybe we'll talk about Al Joe. We'll talk about, like, the featherweight title picture, but that's it. Really, unless prompted. Masters, are you looking forward to the White House card now that it's getting closer? I don't think I was never, like, not looking forward to it. It's just, I don't know, there's the fights themselves I'm looking forward to the whole week.

I don't know how much I'm looking forward to for being honest. I don't know. That could be a crazy week for us. I'm looking forward. I am looking forward to the event. I'm actually less than the fights, which is strange and curious. I think a lot of it will be annoying and tedious if you're just a person with my sensibilities and what is happening and the circumstances surrounding it.

But that's fine. And the thing I've said for years and that I maintain is like, I wouldn't want this to be every weekend because I would just get just physically tired from it. Right. But like I like fights. I like the big fight feel. I like it when my job, when what we are doing transcends our little bubble. And I love our bubble.

I love all of y'all for being here. with us. It's the best. Even those of you who I hate in the comments, I still love you implicitly. But like it is fun to a keynote once, twice a couple of times a year, in a perfect world, four times a year like majors and tennis and golf, to have these big moments that are, you know, my random old college friends who I haven't spoken to in six months being like, hey, fights this weekend or whatever. Like that is a fun thing. I think with the White House card, we're going to get that. It is going to break through not because of the fights themselves, but because it is such a weird-ass thing that it will transcend. And so I'm looking forward to that because it always feels,

it's the exact opposite this past weekend. Mike, the apex just doesn't feel meaningful. And so it makes even the, even the best parts of it feel, you know, toned down and deflated because it just doesn't, it's an empty gymnasium in Vegas. you know, the worst fights on the White House card, and none of them are bad, but the worst ones on the White House card will still feel more significant because there will be an energy

that I am looking forward to. But as far as the nuts and bolts of the fights, I'm pretty ambivalent towards most of them. The fight I'm by far looking forward to the most is a Diego Lopez, Steve Garcia fight. I think that fight rips and is awesome. And the rest of them are good or fine, but like if you put most of the rest of that card in the apex,

I'd be like, eh, okay, like Bo-Nichael versus Dukkah, not Dukakis, DeCoccus, yeah, Michael Dukakis, okay. That's what I was, I'm too stuck on the way. Oh, this thing. Versus Daucus, like, that's, that's an APEC, I don't, okay, sure, like, that's a positive apex card, still an Apex card. I, I just know what's happening in Tuporia Gachi. I don't even need to see the fight.

We're going to do it, and that's fine. But barring the. greatest upset in the history of the sport. That's whatever is happening, sure. The co-main event is interesting. It is a fascinating matchup, but I don't, it feels weird.

It just feels odd to have that be the thing that Pereira is not fighting Aspinall. He's fighting Cyril Gahn. Or John Jones. Or John Jones, like one of those two. And then instead, it's like the third best option. And so it feels weird. It's historic and significant.

But if Cyril Gahn just like runs away and jabs him some or tackles him three times, like that's going to be a downer. So the fights themselves I'm less interested in than the whole spectacle portion of it, which honestly is basically the exact same feeling I have for the MVP MMA thing, right? Like I'm, it is the fact that these are big events that has me more excited than the actual what's going on in the in the cake. I'm so excited for Bo-Nichael Kyle Dachos. That to me is like

outside of like the belts being on the line. Like to me that is the most fascinating fight from a future standpoint. Because the Bo goes out there and loses to Kyle Daucus or Michael Dukakis. That, I mean, where do you go from there?

From going to, hey, I'll call the UFC and get Kyle take it off the card, Colby, so we can fight each other to losing the Kyle, like, he's done. Like, he's done done if he loses this fight. And Kyle becomes like, I don't know what he becomes. But he becomes like starish. He grows immensely with a win here.

And if Bow wins, then like, you know, what comes from it? I don't really know. So lots of stuff. Lots of stuff there. It'll be interesting. It's going to be a long-ass week. So let me tell you. if I in the next, whatever, six weeks

stumble upon a magic lamp with a genie in it and he has to give me three MMA related wishes, the very specific magic lamp that we stumbled on is a genie that only grants MMA wishes. It doesn't grant other wishes, just MMA wishes. One of my wishes would be that I get to determine the outcome of every fight on the White House card. And if that happens,

I can't tell you how excited I'd be for that event. Because truly, more than any card in the history of MMA, if I could pick all the winners, I could build an outcome that's the funniest outcome of all. Like, it could never be touched and how funny this could be because all of the fights are meaningful. And so you never get a fight card that has like six meaningful fights or seven meaningful fights.

So I could influence seven meaningful fights, and almost all of them have a funny outcome and a other outcome. Only one of those fights on that card is they're like either win is fine. The other six are like one of these is obviously much funnier than the other. So if I could do that, hell yeah. That would be my most excited of I've been for anything in my life. So if any of you have a magic MMA genie lamp laying around, let's talk Turkey because I want Justin Gagee to beat Ilya

and I want Cyril Ghan to win the most boring fight you've ever seen of Alex And I want Amon's a hobby to just go to war and pull it off Shaw Valley and Derek Lewis to land one uppercut and send Josh Hokkaid into the shadow realm and darkest dumbest dumbed bo-nickle with knees to the bell. It would be so funny.

If you're just sitting there and Dana White's just watching all of these tragedies happen would be the funniest thing. I love it so much. I will, since the day, truly since the day

that Jose Aldo Falk, Connor McGregor, I will not have a more heavy rooting interest than a, a miracle. Like, I want Justin Gagee to beat a Leia Tupori.

Maybe more than I've ever wanted an outcome to happen. It's not going to. But if I would, I would trade so much for that outcome to happen at the White House. It would be the funniest thing in the world.

Man. What a post-fight show. That's going to be. I would laugh. I would just be lait. It would be the same as when Strickland beat Izzy. Only that was just like, that there would be a different energy

because mine would be not just laughter, but joyful laughter. Whereas I didn't care that Strickland Beatiz, he was just really funny. It would be so funny for Justin G. So beat Eliy Tuporia. It would just be the best. There you go, Justin.

Alexander, RIF wrestling wins mostly in UFC is RIF competition supreme, knowing best wrestlers would likely win in MMA. No. MMA and wrestling are different sports. Wrestling is an extremely important component to MMA. Very arguably, the most important of the composite skills for it, right?

Like, you have the ability to determine where fights take place, and that's just like a very, you know, you get to pick your battlefield, ask any commander in the history of warfare. Choosing your battlefield can be like a huge advantage. in combat situations. But we've seen plenty of wrestlers suck at MMA.

And I think if you just poured it over a ton of the RIF wrestlers, they would suck an MMA. It might be better than like an average dude or better than if you took 10 RIF guys versus 10, you know, WBC ranked boxers. The RIF guys might do better. But like they might suck.

There have been many, many very successful wrestlers turned to MMA, but it's like, is basically like what I was saying earlier with BJAJ. These are different skills. And, you know, because you are good at one does not mean you are good at two. It gives you a leg up. But, I mean,

Bellator had a business model where they just recruited college wrestlers, and some of those paid out. And many of them are just dudes who fought. And that's, so I think that, you know, if you got Abdul Rashid Tadjad Jalaya of end of MMA, odds are he's going to be very good because heavyweight sucks and he's incredible but like

you know I don't so I don't have no idea of Bobass it would be good at him or not he might suck at it maybe he can't get punched you know you never know these things yeah I mean he's super young so you know he's got time to develop he's going to be very good just

wrestling people like kind of Aaron Pico's really good he's been very successful but a month ago we were asking is Aaron Pico may be done if this doesn't go well for him on Saturday, you know? Yeah. I mean, Kyle Snyder might go and beat Hamzaa Tchamaif in a wrestling match. He has zero chance of beating Hamzaaimae in an MMA.

He's definitely not beating him in a minimum of A. And that's the thing that Kyle Snyder ported over, I would predict him to do quite well in MMA. But there have been a lot of collegiate wrestlers who have been fine or not done that grade or whatever. Just, you know, not the same skills. They don't require the same. disciplines and focus on focise so it's

you know I mean look at Bo Nickel we'll see where he is you know who knows we're talking we're talking about this dude I remember doing a show with like you and New York Rick on BTL and you know after when they were looking He's one of the best prospects ever in a MMA and he's been fine yeah we're talking

Damon and New York Rick should say like just throw bow nickel in there with Izzy for the belt right now after one fight after beating Val Woodburn I mean, it was a great win though. It was a great win. Val, come on, great win over Val. Lazy, the UFC 6 video game has now been announced and old school fans were pleasantly surprised

to see they added Randy Gator and Ken Shamrock to the roster. Which old fighter would you each add? Somebody in the comments put Kid Yamamoto, which is a sick answer and almost probably the right answer. But also, kid might have been in like UFC 2. Yeah. I have a big recollection that kid was there.

But we would want his stats to be good kid, not UFC version of kid. I don't have to look at like what a old school. I mean, you can't put Fador in. Fador would be my choice. But I assume I guess I would need to know, like, can we just put whoever the hell we want in? Because in Fador, I'm Fador. I want Fador in the game. Yeah, that'd be a damn.

That'd be a good one. I want Fador in the game is for sure my answer. If we can't do that, I mean, I would just like to be Crow Cop because I could just kick people in the face over and over again. I assume Crow Cop is in the game because I have played as Crow Cop in like UFC 3 or whatever. So I'm going to give you a cut for very, just very few. I got two answers. and they're basically the same answer.

And they're for people who have spent way too much time in this sport, and most of you will think this is either stupid or don't know what I'm talking about. My number one choice would be Big John Hess, because SAFTA needs to exist in the UFC video game universe. And then number two is Paul Verlens, because just give me a big six, give me a big six eight dude. Yeah, just give me a big six eight dude. heavy weight and just see what happens.

I'll pick a manual yard bro. Because that would just be fun. I mean, look, we just have a great time. Again, you know, I've had occasion to think of John Hess like four times in the last two months for some reason, mostly because like feed posts or something. There's like SAFTA and SAFTA is just the, I don't even remember what SAFTA stands for, but man, it was the best. Can we put Brandon Thatch in the game so we can give him the

career we thought he was low that he could have had or brendan vera i mean he had some success with one but remember brandon vera came into the ufc and started beating dudes in multiple divisions we were like oh this this dude's gonna be the first ever two division champion at least that's what he was saying and then that did not work out very well so maybe we can revitalize these careers and make them what they were supposed to be mike i've i've looked it up credit to anybody i mean it would have to be honor system in the chat who knows what staff stands for is better than I remembered it's better than I remembered and I were because I remember being like that's an anagram like that's anagram for something really stupid oh it's the best is you can't

would you care to take a guess at what staff to stands for no it's a lot of letters it's it's so many letters scientifically aggressive fighting technology of america oh that's terrific That's really good Give me John Hess and UFC 6 Do it you cowards Oh my gosh I love John Hess is just

He won one UFC fight And then he got murdered by Vitor Masters are media members A lot of the White House I imagine the security will be really high There so how does it work for media members getting credentials. I have no clue. My assumption is no.

Yeah. I mean, will Aiden Ross and Dana's buddies be there? Probably. The Nelks and the Nelke boys and them? Sure. His good friends, the ones he wants to cover his sport, because they'll just do it in one way and one way only and never say a negative thing about it. Or tell the truth about it, really. So they'll be there for sure. But I would, I don't know. I would guess probably not. My guess would be they'll be like off site somewhere. But again, I don't know. That's just my guess. My guess is that they are not on the on site at the White House.

They'd be at the yard. I don't even know if they'll be there, honestly. But maybe. I mean, that's right. Like, if I was sent there and the UFC is like, would you rather like be there watching the fights? Would you rather be like in the park there with 100,000 people? I would choose the park.

I'll give Jose the White House seat and I'll do the park. Like that's where all the vibes are going to be. I mean, maybe they just, they might do, I'm going to change my answer. I'm going to say that media will be at the White House. The media won't have seats by the cage at the White House. That'd be cool. But, I mean, there's a White House press pool.

You know, they do stuff there. And they will still want to do post-fied interviews with all the thing. But my guess is it will just, you know, they will run a, in seven fights and so it's okay media can be in the in the press room doing the press things where that will happen and there won't be any cage side seating um yeah that's because it's i just like it's going to be a really small thing and it's going to be all political donors and apparently allegedly maybe like several a couple thousand members of the troops I don't know if that's confirmed or if that was just a rumor.

That'd be good. But I've heard that. And I think that would be a better idea than just having 5,000 political operatives, which would, nobody will, they don't care. So I don't want to get into the politics of it, genuinely not trying to, you know,

make a moral judgment or anything. But like, very obviously, the UFC White House attendance is not for fandom. It will be, this is a political. junket for donors to in the same way that a you know doing one of a political meal is you know like buy a $10,000 donation seat and then have a meal so you can shake hands with important political

operatives and try and push your agendas whatever they are your lobbies etc and so like that is what this will be I don't think anyone will even dispute that realistically and so yeah nobody there is going to be like, man, I want to sit down and watch the fights. They're going to be like, I'm going to sit down and watch the fights until I can find a way to get 10 minutes with Marco Rubio so I can get his ear and push for my political agendas. Like that's what this will be. And so like the actual energy in the arena probably will be kind of lame, probably won't be that dissimilar to a lot of the Abu Dhabi or Saudi cards, right? Like there, there's a lot of that same energy going on there or the apex for that matter. But if

they added, you know, 4,000 troops to the mix, those people would just be there to watch. And that'd be cool. So I hope they do that. Yeah, they should do that. They'll bring the energy up. Ace Boogie, thank you. Y'all, this is the most excited I've been for a fight all year. I love proches, but think JDM is going to style on him. His movement stance switching is going to cause real problems. Are you doing a No Bet Spard for Perth? Yes, I'm recording tomorrow with Long Island Luke. Okay.

From Australia. I figured that would be a good one. uh to do and i haven't today is my day to do research and prep i've done almost nothing on this card thus far my sort of you know mike let's take a look at the odds because i haven't i have it i have not don't look at him don't look at him don't look at him i have in front of me i haven't looked at them okay as i haven't looked at the odds at all on this card all right who do you think the favorite is and what do you think the line is oh yeah that call this process is the favorite i would bet Prochis is the favorite, but they're both at minus. Prochus minus 122.

Oh, Stoom Pickle is good. I think that's correct. Yeah, I agree. So my gut instinct was that this should be a Pickham fight, but Prattice is more popular than JDM, so I thought that he would get bet to his favorite. But I think that that's, you know, it's about Pickham. And that feels right, because the way J.D.M lost his mom

is not the way he will lose to Carlis Prattest. that's just not I do think JDM's movement is better I think Protest has more tools though which kind of makes that even out a little bit like Protest

the I again I have not done my deep dive but my initial gut reaction was simply is a Mogachiev broke JDM with like five calf kicks

and I suspect Carlos protest has seen that and is going to have a plan to do something now I assume JDM will have a plan to address that because it's very obvious. But can he address it well enough to, because his movement will stop working

if he eats five calf kicks. And that gets a little trickier. So my gut says protest, but I'm very interested to kind of dive into this one more. Because like I said, best fight on the books right now. Yeah, it's a really good fight, man. It's a really good fight.

Right. Proch is a big boy too. Like I saw the face off. and not that like that always determines it because Yusuf Zalal was like five inches taller than Aljo and Aljo. Protest is a large waterway and Jadim's not a big welterweight.

And it's very hard. But yeah, my gut instinct is that the kicking game of protest makes, I think I'll think I'd slightly favor him, but I want to go back and watch because Jadim's career has also been real weird, right? At least had a very strange career where it's like, okay, super good,

prospect and had a couple of bad performances that he kind of got away with and then looked amazing against ballall who depending on what you believe either he looked amazing because he made ballol stupid or belal's like i'm going to throw hands and then you know that's obviously a if he's just going to kickbox with you that's a strong strong edge for jdm but i i want so i want to go back and we kind of reconsider his career and especially look at how he's done strictly in striking contest because it's not going to be a lot of grappling going on here is jdm better as a counter wrestler striker or is like if he just put you put him in a kickboxing belt how's that going to go my guts again guts has protest right now but it's great fight

great great fight uh causal we start to see more international fight cards favoring local time zones now the tko doesn't rely on pay-per-view maybe ufc 326 was a one-off hopefully for our British people. UFC 326 Wait, what? 326 was Aussie. No, 326 was

I don't, hold on. They were all the same. All the numbered events started at the same time. They're all, they're, the paper views are always going to be that way. They're all going to be five eights. Even, even the Perth card.

Yeah. Or the Australia card was 5.8. Yeah. Their PLE model is, is, you know, that. They are an Eastern standard built-around model. I don't envision they will change that for numbered events.

But I am hopeful, and maybe he just sort of misspoke or mistyped as he did, because this one is, you know, this Perth card is going local time. I think they should do that. I think for road events, they should go local time, right? Like they're going to Belgrade, Serbia in August they just announced that. I could do that local time. I think they'd be fine to do local time. You know, they're going to Macau next month.

That should be local time. I don't think that one is. But I think that they should embrace that much more than they currently are. But they're not going to do it with numbered events. I don't think. All right. Masters, I'm guessing it'll be around six to eight months. Ulberg will be out with his ACL.

I mean, you'd probably guess because that's what he said. I'm guessing he'll defend towards the end of the year goes well. He ain't fighting this year. No chance. Have you ever seen a fighter that's like... I'm more confident he's not fighting this year than I am that Joe Pfeiffer's not fighting for the belt in Philly. Yeah.

I mean, ACL surgery is like, that's, yeah, it's not happening. Six to eight months? Like that's just insanity. It's like a six to... Six to eight month is like a maybe not aggressive, but

like a positive timeline. for surgical recovery. So six months from April is 10, and then you have to add a fight camp in there. Like in his, like in the actual best case scenario, he has recovered in six months, which means he is recovered mid to late October, and then he gets a short fight camp

to fight on the last pay-per-view of the year. Not a chance. Not a chance. Yes, they're going to. because also when you come back yeah and if if he like maybe January I'm more open to January at least as an idea but like are you've had surgical

replacement on your knee you got to get it back to fitness if you have one misstep if you even have like one day where you feel it tweaking you're just not going to push it because there's no need nope next year he's fighting next year yeah and then back to the time frame this one like the fight nights they're going to do

on the local time zones yeah it looks like because this Perth card is... That's awesome. They should. 4 a.m. Eastern prelim 7 a.m. Eastern main card and

love it. I could not love that more. It's so good. I would prefer that over a 5-8 any day of the week. Then we still have like the rest of the day to, you know, a little tired,

little sluggish, but a couple cups of coffee we're good to go. We have the rest of the day to do what we got to do. It's a beautiful thing. I'm not even working this one this weekend. Yeah.

You get to work the, I'm working the boxing in the evening. And PFL Sue Falls. Yeah. So I am my, I may or may not play golf. It's going to rain, I think, this weekend. But I'm going to wake up and I'm not going to check out. I'll check out the prelims later in the day.

Wake up. Throw the main card on and have some fun. Lazy. A protest, oxygen, I'm cold in like 30 seconds or something crazy and sustains no damage. Is there a chance he leaf frogs everyone? And suddenly we're hearing Islam Prachis instead of Gary Morales. No. I won't say 100% but like 95% no.

Yeah. I am unclear what's going on with the wealth rate title. Like I, everybody's saying stuff. I don't know what's true, what's not, what's real. I think it's Ian Machado Gary. I've been saying it's he and Machado Gary since Shavkat got hurt because he makes the most sense. I don't think protest can leapfrog him. but if, and I don't think this is the case,

but if the holdup has been on Ian's side for any reason, maybe somebody gets hurt, maybe, but I think not. I think, I think protest, if he blows the doors off JDM, he'll cut the promo, he'll do his best, and then we will get to the appropriate outcome. I don't hate that this fight is happening. Love this fight, as I mentioned.

But I said after Islam won the belt, it's like, yep, I think what we do here is straightforward. Carlos Protis fights Michael Morales and the winner of that, nobody can argue deserves a title fight. I think if he beats J.D.M. We get Michael Morales

versus Carlos Prattis sometime in the fall. I think Pratchez is kind of stuck no matter what happens here. Unless they book Gary and Gary gets hurt or something and they have to like insert somebody in quickly. Like if they book Morales against somebody else because like what are you going to do with Usman?

Like Usman's going to have to fight one of these guys. Like if they're going to Gary and We solved Usman the other, like a couple of weeks ago. Usman and Mike Malat. I mean, that needs to be fighting Mike Malat. That's, I mean, that's something you could do, but they're not going. Like, but again, we will run into the same where we will, while he always has two wins, I'm more open to him fighting for a non-concels.

Right. But he still hasn't beat any of the guys in the conversation. He's beat two back-end top 15 guys that he should, that he's a, that he should beat. He should beat both of these guys. Go be Michael Morales. You go be Michael Morales. There isn't a person in this world who will deny you a title fight. If you be Mike Malat, we're literally going to be having the same conversation. Yeah, but he won't be Michael Morales.

Which is why we're not doing that. Well, then he never fights for the belt. Like Mike Malat? I'm not fighting for the belt. Yeah. But if Mike Malat beats him, then okay. Like I, Oussman fights Mike Malott. That's what's happening with Usman.

Okay. Maybe, maybe, maybe he fights Sean Brady. if Brady beats Buckley. And that happens in Philly. You know, like, maybe that goes. But like, I'm not, I'm just don't care. Like, remove him from the, I don't give a shit. He's done.

I'm done with him. I've dropped that toy. I've moved on to the people that matter. And Oussman can be mad about that and that's fine. Fighters hate me already. Add one to the pile. Oh, but like, Michael Morales and Carlos protest, those two dudes need to fight each other because that fight would be bang.

Yeah. And listen, when Michael Morales wins the belt, his first title of defense can be against Carl's process. It's great. Cazzo, do you guys want an interim light heavyweight title or Ulberg to vacate? I think in this circumstance, I would prefer an interim belt. But I think it's very weird for him to keep an interim belt when the last two champs or whatever have three champs, I guess, have vacated titles.

And, you know, similar injury time. lines we've had two dudes bail on the belt within the past five years. I think it would be a little weird for him to keep the belt, but nobody cares. I'm, I think, an interim... The purpose of interim belts is the champion is injured. One of my least popular takes of all time, but a take that I stand is absolutely unequivocally 100% correct. The purpose of interim belts is for an injury.

The champion cannot compete due to injury. when Ilya won't defend his belt because of personal things, while I can empathize that that is, you know, tough, this is your job and you are not precluded from doing it. You are choosing not to do it. And thus you should be stripped of your belt. The belt as an obligation. If you can't for physical reasoning, then okay, interim belt for a timeline.

But if you can't physically like Dom Cruz was out for four years, then we strip them. I think it would be fine to give him an indefinitely. interim belt. It's not his choice that he can't fight. He blew his knee up. But it is weird that they've set a precedent that they would move away from. Yeah. I mean, and look, from from all accounts, Jamal Hill and Yuri Perashka were still paid as champions when they came back and fought. Even when, you know, they weren't actually the holders of the belts. They were paid and treated as such contractually. So if that's the case, like, I don't mind it. So what happened?

Nothing. I just keep going. So, yeah, that's something they keep in mind. So I don't think it really matters as long as like Oldberg gets first crack and gets paid champions money when he fights again. I don't think there's a real issue there. That is sort of the thing. It kind of, it's all meaningless in those terms. But to me, this would give me an interim.

It's going to depend on what happens next weekend. If Hamzot wins, it's going to be a. bacon belt. Yeah, that's what I've been saying from the jump. It's like if Hamzot's moving up, he's not fighting for an intern belt. He's just going to fight Paula Costa for the vacant belt. Yeah. And they can't do it with Aspinal right now because of all the bullshit. Aspirals are like the one guy.

They really can't because the optics are just so bad. But yeah, as long as they're getting paid, I really, it truly doesn't matter to me. Like, I don't want them to lose these things. But like it does feel like we've had 200 years of combat sports history. We should know how this works a little better than we do. Yeah. I'll take a few more. Do you think Pantosia will fight this year?

Will he fight immediately for the belt when he comes back? Yes and yes. Pantosia absolutely, I mean, I hate immediate rematches. Been on the record for years and years saying that. There are certain circumstances, which I think that those are okay. Circumstances like what happened to Pantosia, I think that that would be totally just.

testified. He also is the second longest reigning champion in this weight class. He deserves a opportunity to regain the belt. Still unclear, like what his timeline to return is, there was some reporting that he tried to step in when the van fight, the Van Tire fight was falling apart and then ultimately got pushed. So, but I don't know to what extent. I mean, I know some stuff, but I don't know to what extent we're allowed to talk about some stuff. I just don't remember some on that air on the side of caution there like pantosia look pantosia was offered tyra for the interim belt yeah um and they didn't go in that direction they didn't offer the fight to anybody else it was just like hey do you want to do this um and that was where it was left

so and so like i ostensibly it seems like he's probably within the realm of returning this year. So I will be shocked if he doesn't fight this year. And when he fights, it will be the winner of Tyravan is my guess. 100%. 100%. Probably sometime this summer would be my guess. You could do that as a supplemental title fight for international fight week.

Throw that in Philly. For Philly. Yeah. Say Philly. It's fine. Yeah. Good co-main event for Philly. Like that one.

Flyweight's fun, man. There's just a lot of fun shit happening. Flyway's awesome. And it's only getting better. you've got like 10 dudes who are sub 27. Flyweight's awesome. I said this two years ago. Flyweight's going to be the new Bannamway.

Watch. Imagine it's fight night. We cut to a vignette video. Shafcott flashes on the screen at dates, scrolls, thunder rolls, lightning hits. Oh my God, it's Michael Morales, International Fight Week. Well, then Shafcott is the hero of all heroes,

and he's not a human being. He's the Terminator. Because there's no way he's going to be fighting in July. maybe the end of the year maybe that just brings up you remember at the like in february when we're like oh shovcott's probably not fighting this year because of his knee injury and now people like color solberg several months later is going to fight before the year is oh like no shavcott might and hopefully we'll fight this year um somebody in chat called him the derrick rose of m m m and i got sad yeah because that seems like that might be right um And even when he comes back off of two injuries to the same knee, is he good anymore? I don't know. Hopefully he fights this year.

And you know what, Mike? There you go. Shavkat versus Kamar Ustman in November. If he beats Shavkat, can't really be upset anymore. Well, I'll tell you what. You make a very good point. If you are Kamar Uspin,

you go fight Mike Malat, and then you go fight Shafkot. And then you get to, Except for he might lose to Mike Malott. I don't think he would, but maybe he does. I mean, could he get knocked out? Maybe. What do you think the betting line is in that fight?

Oh, who's been the favorite? Minus 300. That was the number that initially jumped out. I think that's about right. Yeah. I mean, there are times we're after. Yeah. There are times I have to think about Mike Malott.

And I'm like, oh, Mike's just like 28-year-old up-and-comer, but then you realize, he's 35 and he's got some years on him and not a lot left. And the problem is too, like I said this after Canada. I was like, I don't know what I learned, right?

It's not a bad wind and you can't take that away, but it's like I felt more like Burns is just gone than it was like Mike Malad has leveled up. Now maybe it's both. It's one of those that's hard. It's the same way. It's almost the exact same way I felt about Piper and Adasania. It's like it's a good objective.

effectively good performance. Like best win of his career on paper. Like, was that more of him or his opponent? So I don't know how to judge if Mike Malat would be a reasonable threat to Kamala or not at this stage. Yeah.

I'm actually super curious what they're going to do with Mike. I know you like the Usman idea. I think they should do that. With the reality to Usman that he has to fight again after this. Do Balal after Bilal fights? Who's Belal fighting? He's fighting Bonfam

That would be tough scenes for Honestly maybe that even make it's tough for Ballal to have to go Right way back in the rankings twice in a row But you could do that too Could do Leon if Leon fights anybody ever I just want to give Mike Maude a former champion Any of those three is fine

Yeah I mean I think what they're going to try to do Like they might just give him Colby man They might just try to push that one I know Colby and swing rounds is like Also a former champion We accept Yeah.

But, like, Colby's out of the rankings now, but like, it is a name, at least, that you can sort of build off of. So that's probably a better win, at least, like, optically than if he beat Joaquin Buckley, you know? Yes, I would agree. Oros Medich, even though Oros Medich. Honestly, that fight would just be fun as hell. Yeah. Mike Mulartoros Medich is the most fun we could have. Someone was asking earlier if Medich will headline.

the Serbia card he should if he's not what are we doing like who else who else is there who you're gonna give him Neil Magni on our announcement I can't do new Magny in our announcement on MAFlight not com's Instagram page great Instagram page gave the open eyeball emoji to this announcement that would be so they do menish I'd be so buns. If he's going to headline in Serbia, this is our first time going to Belgrade? Yep.

It should be, it should be a big name. Honestly, it should be the same dudes we just talked about. It should be a former champ. So, Balal on a somewhat quick turnaround, right? Maybe Usman feels like going to see what Belgrade is like, you know, maybe Camaro is feeling that.

You know, at some point, Leon Edwards needs to fight someone, and apparently it's not going to be Jorge Moths, but all. So I'm going to make, I know this isn't how Otno works. I'd like to officially submit Oroz Mettich versus Leon Edwards as the main event of UFC Serbia, or UFC Belgrade is what should be called. So, that's about, man, it's tough, huh? You're a speditch versus Daniel Rodriguez? I mean, that would be fun, but the story of D-Rod and Serbia would be incredible.

I mean, what a year he'd have started the year in Tijuana prison. Middle of the year, he's fighting heroin in Belgrade. Did you guys see what M.A. Junkie reported, Armands are going to go 5 in O and R.F at R.F.O.9 against Mugsy. Thoughts on his latest adventure from Armand. Didn't we report this, too? We also reported this. Ariel is actually the first to report that. With collaboration from RAF.

I mean, man, like, he's just going to go in there and just smoke Mugsy, who's a good dude, by the way. They're trying to get Mugsy a nice little payday, and that's good. Mugsy is a very integral part of what they're trying to do. Not just with the wrestling, but he is like the show in between matches. It's like the Mugsy show. Yeah, he, Mugsy's the man. That does not come across on the broadcast.

Yeah, because I was talking to Eric Bischoff about this in Philly before the pre-match press conference. And I was talking to about Mugsy, and I was like, man, I was like, Mugsy is like such a good, like, representative of R-AF for you guys

because I was telling him how I was like in Tampa, I'm sitting there, like in the media section. and all I see is Mugsy going through the entire crowd and he's taking pick and everyone recognizes them. All the kids in the audience recognize him because he's like the wrestling influencer. He took,

he must have taken a thousand pictures that I just saw. And that's just not what I, what I see in the background. And then at one point, I was even telling Bischoff about this. And I told Mugsy about this outside of the arena after the press conference. He went up in the section and was taking,

pictures and he goes he goes hey i got to go down to the mat i'll be right back and he runs down to the mat and he throws t-shirts in the crowd and then he literally ran back and like took all the remaining pictures with like all the other people in the section so as you're seeing vignettes for the next match yeah mugsies in the crowd throwing t-shirts with all the ring card girls good for him so crowd gets crazy uh kids go bananas and like in the arena it just feels like the show is just moving quicker because they don't get to see the vignettes it just And then I'll, you gotta, you gotta have things to do stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. Mugsy throws his last t-shirt. And it's like the next wrestler's being introduced and runs to the mat. They just, they got a system and it's great. And Armaged is going to crush him. Mugsy's going to get a pay date for wrestling for a minute and a half. And, you know, hopefully Mugsy doesn't get thrown off the stage. And I can assure you the press conference on Friday before that event,

uh, Mugsy ain't afraid to talk a little shit. So those two will be very fun. Good. And look, he can make Armin Mad, and Norman will punch him, and then they can do it again. It'll be great. Yeah. But sure. Why not? Just keep putting him on all these cards. Like, put him in St. Louis too. Why the frig not? Sure. He can go to St. Louis, wrestle, and then go to the White House card the next day.

It all works out good. How about Medich MVP headlining Serbia? I mean, I would keep MVP away from main events because he's, you don't get to get a main event after having the worst fight of the year. That's my official position. Ah, okay. The worst fight of the year. He doesn't, I'm not giving him a reward as a main event somewhere. No.

All right, a couple more. Make Usman fight MVP. Oh, God. Amazov also in the mix of welter rates. I saw that, I have to, I have to look this up real quick. I thought I saw a line that, Joel Alvarez was like a minus 500 favorite against Sierra soft.

That can't be true. You should bet heavily on Amazon if that's true. And I love Joel. Joel's one of my guys. Let me look this up. I know I saw this somewhere. I know I saw it. Let me just check real quick.

I thought I saw it. I scrolled through it and I saw it and I looked at it really quick. What event is that even on? Is that Newark? I don't know. 329. Is that Newark? Yeah, I don't know.

I thought I saw it somewhere. I'll look it up. I'll look it up. If you could find it, that'd be terrific. Joel Alvarez opened as a minus 200 betting favorite against Amosov. That line has already flipped. So Amazon's favorite? Amazon is now the favorite.

Joel Alvers was a two to one favorite to open. Where the freak did I see that? I scroll through it. Maybe it was just like a troll account or something. Must be, but because, yeah. Because that makes sense. It's still not how I'd have opened that line. immediately got bet to a dog.

Yeah, okay, good. Instantaneously was bed down. MVP versus Oralby, thoughts on that? That's fine. I'm okay with that. That's a good fight. Orlby is, oh, 328 is, yep, 328 for Amazon,

which is, which is newer, yeah. Let me look at that card. I'm pretty excited for that one. Obviously, like Shemai, I've been Strickland is. Very arguably the best card they've put. on paper this year. Vantyra rocks. I can't wait for that fight.

I'm very very excited for that. Bullkoff, WCA, Brady Buckley, we're still doing King Green, Jeremy Stevens on a main card. I don't much I love that. The placement is weird. That fight makes sense

and I'm fine with it. I would put Gotea in the first main card fight and just let him clawed. I'd put Amazon. I'd put Amazon. Oh, yeah, that's a good one too.

Dawson Rebetsky. Dawson Rebechki. That's good one. I love Jim Miller, Jared Gordon. We could do the watch party starting at the middle prelims. We could do an eight-fight watch party easily. Yeah, we should. I think we did, what do we do seven last time?

Something like that. We did the last seven fights. Maybe. But yeah, we could definitely do it. It's awesome. Yeah, so the last eight fights are Dawson, as of now, Dawson-Rabetchie, Alvarez, Amasoff, Go T-A-D-Diaz, and then the five main card fights.

I'm down for that. the only one that like I mean we just should if they swapped it so Gotea Diaz was the first of those arguably we shouldn't I know we both are big fans of a table of Gaultier but like that's the least meaningful of these fights

but yeah those eight I mean it's a it's a heater of a card man 320 looks really really good very very good a couple more what will Darren Hills Combat Sports Legacy B once he hangs it up I don't know

good question It's a good dude who fought some good guys. But he doesn't, the thing about legacy is you have to, the way sports work, you have to build one in one place at one time, right? Like, or you have to have such success that it overwhelms, you know? And so, like, if you think of, like, Think of like an NBA player who bounces around a lot of teams and never wins a championship. What's their legacy?

That's kind of what Dan Till's done, right? Like, he has, he is Kevin Duranted without the championship pedigree that Kevin Durant has, you know? And so what is any athlete under those terms? Like, what is that legacy? It's like, yeah, you've made some fans and people enjoyed you and you put food on the table. for your family. But like he's not going to go into a Hall of Fame anywhere.

You know, maybe like the British athlete Hall of Fame or something, but like even that's probably unlikely. And so his legacy will be in the food that he, his children eat and the manner in which his lifestyle is lived because it's not, he's not going to have like a real

combat sports legacy in any meaningful sense of the word. I guess that could change. Maybe he can win a belt and BKFC and something, but like it's unlikely that he is going to be a guy that people know his name in 20 years. Yeah, he's like, he's a, he's a, he's a fascinating one, isn't he? He really is. I mean, Fawfer belt the UFC. They pushed him too fast. He lost, he clearly, at least in my eyes, lost a wonder boy Thompson after missing weight by a billion pounds. And then came back and, and, you know, made weight. later on and

I'm trying to think of a comp I've got a comp and I'm trying to think I've got another one that maybe I like a little bit better but like O'Dell Beckham Jr. You know he bounced around to a lot of teams at his peak he was very very good

right he was never the best wide receiver in the league but O'Dell Beckham was more of a star you know a little flashier but like Darren Till was a star people knew his name. He did some good things. He bounced around.

OBJ actually did win a championship or a title. He was on the Rams Super Bowl winning team, though he missed the back half of that Super Bowl because he tore his ACL. But something like that, you know, like, he's not a Hall of Famer. Good dude. Been around. Had a solid career.

More from Twitch. Oh. Honestly, that's better than, the OBJ one. That's a very good one. Right. That's a very good one. I mean, Ocho Cinco could theoretically make the Hall of Fame, right? Like probably not, but maybe. But like that's, we're in that sort of, he is, Darren Till is absolutely wide receiver energy. Like 100% he has wide receiver. This is not like a nose tackle, you know, like he's wide receiver. And so, yeah, that's it. That's a good one.

I love this question. Who was the running back who held out because he didn't want to sign his franchise tender and he sucked. Why can't I think of that? Steelers running back. I'm going to think of that. Lebeon Bell, right? Levy on Bell, there you go. Yeah, also he went fighting.

Yeah, Levyon Bell, like where this is sort of the, where he's at? This was Astileasy, but I'll ask you, Jed. Better chance of fighting in the UFC. Again, for one, Pumi, Nakuda, or Muhammad Mikhail. I mean, I assume you'll pick Pumi, even though I know you're not high that that's going to happen at this stage. It's got, yeah, I don't think

with high if ever fights the UFC again. I, this is another point of contention. I believe that he's one of the five best dudes in the world at this weight class. And he didn't do anything to totally burn the bridge. At some point, they're just going to let him come back. He's, he's in a very strange exile because his crime was being a little annoying and not the most interesting fighter.

And I just don't. And being an asshole to the UFC staff members, which is, the big reason why Danes is gone. Yeah, he's 22-year-old kid. He's 22-year-old kid. You learn lessons. You grow up. At some point, he's coming back.

I believe that Mahamahev will not end his career outside of the UFC. That's my belief. I'm very willing to be wrong on that. Yeah. And I think you are going to be wrong on that. I totally acknowledge that I might be wrong. You could have easily, like, if you were going to do it, you would have done it for 327.

You would have done him and Tyra for. the for the interim belt and then had pants like fight van later on in the year or something or figure that out. I mean, you can't do that but they would have figured it out. But if they really wanted him back, they could have brought him back for that fight.

Or at least offered it to him. And it doesn't seem like they did. So I don't think there's any world he comes back. So it's okay. The UFC doesn't need him. That division is thriving without him. It's the best it's been in a lot. long time. Way better than it was when he was there.

No disrespect to the man. He's winning fights. He is one of the five best guys in the division. But he's getting more exciting though, too. He's coming back one day. One day. He's getting more exciting against us Maheuf truthers. He's minus 17,000 favorites against.

That's what you're supposed to do. That's what you're supposed to do. Us Mahia of truthers. We'll be here. Was he exciting against Manil Cop? He did beat Mano Cop. Which, well, I mean, I didn't think he did, but technically he did. Which not many people have done.

True story. After he fought him in the hotel lobby. Well, you know, didn't want to fight him in the cage. That's true. That's very true. Okay. I think we have done enough here on this Tuesday. I agree.

Big crowd today. Thank you so much. I think that earlier when you're like, what? I was saying, oh, because I think the, The Twitter numbers might have, might have given us a bump. Four figures. Watching live right now. Watch it live.

We love that. Respect. We love this. And perhaps the Twitter audience can be a part of more stuff that we're doing. I think maybe watch party. Maybe we introduce the Twitter sphere to the watch party next week. I think that's what we're going to do. I love that.

We're taking over. Yeah, we are taking over the Twitter space. So respect to all of you guys from Twitter. Shout out to the Twitchters. You're our first loves. And, of course, the YouTube, you're a rider dies. You'll be here forever. We'll be back.

I don't know. I have a couple interviews today. I'm talking to Eric Nixick later on about Sean Strickland, fighting Hums at Jamiya, of course, Francis Aganou, making his return and all sorts of other fun stuff. We also, I'll be talking to Carl's Prochus later on tonight as he prepares to fight. He's got a big fight coming up. He does have a big fight coming up. So I'll be speaking with him in about eight hours time, which will be very, very, very serious.

very fun, big, massive fight for him. And I think the next time you will see us here live, unless there's some big news that gets announced between now and then. It will be Friday for the UFC Perth preview show. And then we'll have a post-fight show, I believe, probably in the wee hours of the day. Y'all will. I won't. Probably just be me.

10 a.m. Put me on it, but I won't be useful. Yeah. What happened? I don't know. While you're teeing off in a monsoon on the third hole. What did you fill out the prelims? Didn't see one of them, Mike.

Didn't see it. Didn't see it. What do you think about Taito Uvasa? I don't know. Oh, we lost again? We should probably cut him. I don't really care how he lost. He probably just cut him.

Oh, breaking news. He's on the White House card now. They love Taito Abusa. So, yeah. Perth's a good card. I'm looking forward to it. The last stop before UFC 328, which rocks. A couple of weeks ahead of us.

Good couple of weeks ahead of us. Yeah, and then the week after, it's MVP MMA. Like, this is going to be a wild. The week after, Jed. Another watch party probably. Why? Yeah. Then we got R.A.F, which is right at Arm and Sarukian.

So much shit going down. And we got you covered here at M8.com. It's a terrific website. But until we talk again, everybody, for Jed Mishu. I am Mike Heck. Thanks for watching. Good night, everybody. Love you all.

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