MMA Fighting - BTL | Reacting To Dana White's Boxing Debut, Crawford vs. Topuria, Noche UFC

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

UFC CEO Dana White took his talents to the boxing world for Canelo vs. Crawford this past Saturday, which was capped off by Terence Crawford's masterpiece against Canelo Alvarez to capture the undisputed super middleweight title in Las Vegas. How did it all go for White, how much credit and criticism should be on him, and can White and Turki Alalshikh co-exist in the long run? On an all-new edition of Between the Links, the panel reacts to the event, Crawford's victory, and the middle of the road response thus far from the fans towards White, the promotion, and the production. Additionally, topics may include Ilia Topuria calling out Crawford, but it falling on deaf ears, the fallout of Noche UFC, Diego Lopes crazy win over Jean Silva in the main event, if the card delivered, Anthony Hernandez getting scratched from the UFC Vancouver main event with Reinier de Ridder and the effect that has on the middleweight division, and more. Join MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and José Youngs as they answer your questions all show long. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jose Youngs: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@JoseYoungs⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are in rare times, my friends. We are in a week without a UFC events. We're coming off of Noce UFC. Then we head to Perth next weekend for a card that's happening. That's for sure. Although there is one less fight, as we found out earlier, I believe last night, maybe earlier this morning. So we're down to 14 fights.

Very few with any real significance. But at least this weekend, we can focus on other things. And we can talk about what happened on last weekend here on the show, because a lot of stuff happened. And joining me to discuss all of these topics that are going to be brought to us by you, the wonderful BTL community from Mbatefighting.com, the one and only Jose Youngs, my fellow in a Winglander and my fellow Red Sox fan. How are you, sir? I'm great. Apparently the Red Sox are allergic to getting hits with runners and scoring

position, but we pulled a lot of our asses yesterday against the Aves of all teams. So get ready to have for a very stressed out Jose Young's these next 10, 11 days. Because if we make the playoffs and lose to the Yankees potentially in the wild card, I'm going to be a sad boy and might have a mental breakdown, but we persevere. We do persevere. Speaking of perseverance, back from Las Vegas,

back from a crazy fight week for Kadella versus Crawford. Boots on the ground was one and only E. Casey Liden, who was back in the chair. How are you, sir? Welcome. How was Las Vegas? How was the fights? Pretty chill.

Pretty chill. It was a very chill. It was a UFC kind of run. Yeah. Uh, boxing event, which means it's going to be highly produced and highly regimented. So it was a bit boring. So let me ask you this because the, uh, I remember the, the, the, the women's boxing card that was at MSG, the MVP event, the Serrano Taylor trilogy fight. I remember watching it and covering it and you were there as well.

And it just seemed like, and you were there too, Jose. That's great. But I remember you in particular were talking about just sort of the ambiance and the vibes at MSG. And even on Netflix watching it, it felt like if you weren't there, it kind of sucks to be you because it seemed like the place to be. It seemed very big. It seemed like the energy was really, really high. how would you describe the energy in the building on Saturday, Casey? Was it there's 70,000 people there.

So, I mean, there was a shit ton of people. Production-wise, it looked very big. It looked like there were a bunch of people in there. But I don't, it just, it seemed like the Kalam-Walsh fight deflated people after the and Billy fight because that fight frigging rocked. But what was it like? Like before the, after the co-made event ended, what were the vibes like in the building? You kind of got it.

I mean, I think it actually came across the broadcast kind of well. It was, let me just say, I've been at both, I've been in the arena for both Netflix fights, the Tyson Paul and the Taylor Serrano 3. I would call them stadiums. Stadium, yeah. Both those two previous events, MVP fights, they felt there was more energy. It was just more energy. even though Canelo Crawford clearly was like the more important fight in terms of just the boxing historians or whatever.

Like we're going to remember this fight. This is a very important fight. Toronto Taylor was important too. But this fight, no, obviously two pound for pounds, you know, right there. It just felt different. I didn't like it. I mean, it wasn't bad, but I didn't have that big boxing feel. Obviously, there were a lot of people there.

and the people were, you know, they were excited to be there, but like just the, the audience of the arena, the spectacle in the arena just wasn't there. But the main event delivered, so that's kind of all that mattered. But the TKO production, I don't know, it was, it was adequate for a show that big, but it did not blow me away. Yeah, I'm super, I would love to be a fly on the wall Throughout that fight week with Dana White and Turkey and all that just to see How annoying it was because like I've seen Eddie Hurd Eddie Hurd do a couple interviews this week and he was essentially asked about working with Turkey and if turkey and Dana can get along And Eddie basically was like, yeah, but you have to be willing to give up everything

You have to be willing to be like here's my suggestion and then Turkey tell you to basically go F yourself, we're doing it this way, and you have to be able to sort of swallow that and deal with it because he's putting up all the money. This is his event. He invited Dana in to be the promoter and sort of be the face of it all. But this is

a re-ad season card. Like this is a turkey card. I think the fight week vibes felt very UFC-ish because it was the same, they played the same notes. It was Media Day Wednesday and then the press conference Thursday and then ceremonial weigh-ins on Friday. It just felt very UFC-ish.

One of the weirdest parts of the weekend, no one really saw it because there was nothing to show in a sense. So for big boxing events, they don't do this in May. They have grand arrivals. I don't know Jose knows about this. And usually who grand arrivals are, I've gone to lots of them for all the Mayweather, are the previous Canelo fights at, say, the MGM or whatever. So it's kind of just, I mean, it's a fake arrival. But, you know, there's like, they fill the hotel lobby up of fans.

You know, they have that usually whatever, just a big thing. backdrop and everything. The bands are playing. And they come in and they get on stage. They wave at the crowd, do a little shadow boxing for fun, and they kind of leave. And that's what we,

that's what was on the schedule for this last Tuesday. But it wasn't. It was just like this weird, it was just a red carpet as if it was like before a big award show. Like it just, all the media and everyone there was just kind of confused. Like, wait, this isn't a grand arrival.

This is just, I don't know, a red carpet event. But, neither fighter really did anything. They kind of just, like, they go by, they answer, they answer you, they answer a question for maybe 15 seconds at best. They're supposed to stand there and do photos for you, but like, Canello looked confused

at what he was supposed to do. Crawford's like, what am I doing? He just kind of walked right through. They had to bring it back and do it again. It was just like, and we, and like, it was supposed to start like a six o'clock and it was like, we didn't get out of there to like nine. So I was there for like, I don't know, I call it four hours. and I literally press record

on my camera for maybe 20 seconds. I don't know. It was just like, so it's just like this weird. It just didn't make sense. And I'm talking to UFC PR. How's it going this week? You know,

and they're like, yeah, I'm glad to see, Casey. They don't want to show their cards. They didn't know too much. But yeah, I could tell everyone it was just like,

what is going on? I was like as long as I get, yeah, it's like, did the check clear? Check cleared. All right, good. All right, you know.

So, Yeah. It was, I mean, I think it came across to people at home, too. It was just, it was big, but not, wait, I don't know. It's just as big as it should have been. Yeah. I mean, like, for the magnitude of the fight, but the main event did deliver. I thought it was a great, I thought was a great main event.

And, you know, yeah. Crawford's the man. All right. Well, thank you for that. Casey was there. So if you guys got questions about what happened in Las Vegas. week, fire them in there. But let's go. Let's see what the piece want to talk about on this Thursday. All right. All right. Okay. Sorry, I haven't got a chance to go through the questions.

Here we go. To do. Worship, will we see a day where boxing events have UFC-esque pacing? I don't know. Jose, what do you think? Like, how would you, we're, Jed and I were doing the watch party on Saturday. So, I mean, we noticed that things were very, very slow, especially between the Coleman and the main event. I don't know who threw out there that the main card, main event walks are going to start at 11 p.m.

Eastern because that was a choice, because we were two hours behind if that was the case. But how would you, how would you compare the pacing of this event to like other boxing events that you've covered? That's a good question. It's weird because I've. covered like Casey's probably I actually I don't even assume cases definitely cover more massive boxing events than me but in the last few years I've covered the Times Square event which I can't compare to anything because that was the strangest fight a week I've

ever experienced misfits which I certainly can't compare to anything and then a bunch of tank fights that and Ryan Garcia fights that happened in the Barclays Center so the pacing was probably more comparable to that at the Barclays misfits is actually pretty on point with like their fight week schedule and ring walks and everything when I was actually there. And then like I said, the Times Square circus was a circus. I don't even know how to put that into words. But I wasn't annoyed by the pacing because that's where I expected because I've watched enough boxing. And I've been around Dana enough that when he complained, like we all knew that Dana wasn't calling the shots.

It was probably Turkey and re-ad season. So everyone kept posting that clip of Dana saying it like one of the various post-fight press conferences he did where he was complaining about the pacing of boxing and how they quote-unquote, they do a whole podcast between fights and everyone thought because Dana was quote-unquote promoting this card that the pacing would be faster. I'm like, you all haven't been around Turkey or Dana enough because Dana is not running the show. It's very clearly Turkey. And me and you, Mike, did a watch party for Inganu Tyson Fury. I think it was what, like four hours for two fights or something like that. So anything's better than that. I mean, so I wasn't annoyed or angry or confused because it is exactly what I thought was going to happen.

So I was like, yeah, it's someone made a good point where they should have just done the last two fights on Netflix or just the last one because the whole Netflix is built around Canella Crawford starting at like 9 p.m. or whatever. So when you tune in at 9 p.m., all of a sudden you have five total fights, you're confused. Like, people might not know that have never watched boxing before. I might want to tune in and check it out. And they go, wait, I have to wait two hours to see the fight that you guys have been promoting. Then they would be confused or they have to sit through a little bit of a grind. Also, the Taylor-Sorano fight that Casey and I were at had way better fights before the main car. Like the bum Gardner fight was sick.

Who fought? Who beat Savannah Marshall? I am blanking on her name. She daisa, she's a really good fight. That was actually a really good fight. Those back-to-back sick fights. The two fights leading up to,

well, I think the Calum fight kind of sucks the energy out for sure. We haven't talked about that yet. I was trying to keep it. Yeah, I'm super curious. Yeah, I wanted to see what the crowd was like for that. It was also those, both Taylor-Sherrano fights on Netflix and the Jake Paul fight

were on Friday nights. I doubt, I bet there are more people that stay at home and plan around a Friday night fight rather than wasting their whole Saturday night, if that makes sense. Yeah, 41 million people, I think was the number. I mean, there's a lot of people in Mexico too. Pretty good. I knew. I got a lot of shit in the old IG DMs for being like, this thing ain't going to do half of what Jake Paul Mike Tyson did.

And like, oh, you guys are crazy. It's a generational fight. It's wild. And 41's great. Like, that's actually, that's actually good. that I thought it was going to be. That's kind of what we all said on the Monday. Was it the preview show or between the links?

I think it was BTL. Yeah. I think like anything under 30 would have been a disaster. But yeah, I thought we'd be like 35, which still would have been a good number before. A little over 40s, pretty good. But I knew it wasn't going to do 50. Like that's just, that's a big ass number. That's a huge friggin number, 50 something million.

But Casey, talk about. talk about the, I guess, the deflation of the co-main event and what it did. Because honestly, like, Jose's right. Like, this could have been a three-fight Netflix card. Calum should have been the first fight. And then you do in Billy Martinez. And if you went Billy Martinez as the co-made event, which any boxing enthusiasts at all knew, like, why is this not the co-main event?

Like, these are two high-level guys. This is a title fight. in the same division that the friggin' main event is in like people very high on a Billy Martinez just showed out like if you went from Mafflight into that main event

I think honestly the vibes coming out of it would have been much higher but in Billy Martinez rocked and then we go into Calam Walsh and Fernando Vargas Jr., which if you watched this was a handpicked fight for sure

Kalam Walsh three weight classes bigger than this dude and just kind of he's not even the best Vargas It's not even the best Vargas child fighting. They went with, I guess the name is more synonymous with the fighter, but what was the arena like, the stadium, if you will, during that co-made event? Rest room break.

Really? Yeah. Rest room break. Yeah, after about three rounds, yeah, that place was just like, yeah, let's get to the main event. And it was, it was late. It was like there. I mean, even though we were West Coast, it's, I mean, it's still. a grind just, you know, for all the fans

parking, finding your seat, going through security, you know, you're going to an arena. It's a grind. It's a grind. So, like, you finally get there, and then you just get that bite after the Martinez fight too. I want to blame Dana White on this one, 100%. I just want to blame Dana White.

It was Dana White's guy. I'm not, I'm not even blaming Callum Wash, because he, well, he's like 24 or something, he was put in a very bad spot. It was just, it was an unfair position for Callumash. He's obviously a good prospect, yeah, yeah, you know, but it shouldn't have been that high on the card on such an important card. If you're going to have a co-main event, it needs to be a co-main event that freaking matters.

It's just freaking matters. That's not just, no, we got to build a guy up. No, it needs to be a real co-main event. And especially 10 rounds. I mean, maybe it was a six-round fight. I don't know. But just 10 rounds of that. And that was Dana White.

That seemed to be Dana White's choice to put that not just on the card, not just on the net. Netflix portion of the card, but as the co-made event. That's just a very bad decision. And even if that fight was awesome, it still didn't mean anything in the kind of the big scheme of boxing. It was just kind of cool. Yeah, it's you either put a bagger in that spot or you put a like an absolute annihilation in that.

Yeah. Yeah. Like something just in these needed stakes that they needed stakes. If it's going to be a bad bite at least a bad bite that that matters. It was so we got the worst of everything. We got 10 rounds of nothing. Yeah. But we got to win.

And yeah. But like I say, I'm not going to blame Callum Wash. I'm blaming the booking on that. Because he did his job. Yeah. It was just too much pressure. And he kind of even talked about that in the, in the post-presser. Wash was talking about like it was just like an overwhelming fight week for him.

And yeah, I get that. And it's so, yeah, that was just, it was just bad. But I'll go back to it. What I said before. The main event, the main event banged. And kind of August. but except by like no nerds like us all right all right thank you much because like because even like we were talking about last thing I'll say on this is like Mayweather

McGregor had tank in the co-main and then like Taylor Serrano was the co-man for Jake Paul and Tyson and then we had Alicia Bumgarner coming back after a long time fighting someone who and then I am very upset of myself I can't remember her name but the person that at least bunglerner was supposed to just crush did not get crushed that was a sick fight like I said so those are common-man events live and learn we live and learn you're muted I think Casey yeah yeah we're moving on all right we got some super chats thank you everyone excellent oh we can't answer this but um but we'll see uh slito is less than 50 million viewers considered a disaster.

Not on a Saturday. No, I think I think under 30 would have been, but I think 50, 50 would have been like, 50 would have been, I'd be celebrating the shit out of 50. Like that is huge. Like that is a way bigger number than I even expected. 41 was better than I expected. So they should be very happy about it. I don't think people understand 50 million people, 50 million, is that 50 billion, 50 million,

I guess people who streamed it and no one's no one's watching this alone you know this is a kind of group event you know I can tell you what incredible number incredible people people in Mexico do not watch boxing by themselves there's usually like 20 there's like 20 people in the room it's a party there's usually on and there's about 30 40 people huddled around a small TV yeah and I don't know if this isn't talked about that much but I just think this is such a great thing for boxing in terms of big level boxing because yeah we had a hundred million people watched Tyson versus Paul but did they become boxing fans were they going to like oh I have to find out what's what else is happening in the heavyweight rankings and stuff like I didn't

really realize that until I came home and I talked to some of my neighbors and they were like were you guys were you guys in Vegas you know because they know what I do you guys in Vegas are yeah we're there they're like oh yeah we saw the fight it was so good they were just talking about how the main event was so good. And I was just, and they're not like combat sports people. And they were just like, I thought that was just really interesting. It's like, oh, cool. They were like, yeah, I was like, man, like I didn't know. They've heard of Canello, you know, kind of loosely, but they didn't who Crawford was, but they kind of watched the countdown show. They, they felt the hype during the buildup of the broadcast. And I just think that's really important for big boxing. And I think it was

just a great night for boxing because I think that does create new fans because this wasn't, you know, it wasn't behind a paywall, you know, other than net, You know, you don't pay 80, because normally this is like an $80, $90 fight, maybe a $100 fight. This is a straight at pay pay per view. I think that kind of gets forgotten. We saw a fight you normally have to pay $100 for in your home. You could see it for essentially a subscription fee. And I think that in the grand scheme of things, I think that's such a good thing for boxing.

And just people are just watching big fights because you hear about these Canelo fights, but like, I'm not going to pay $70 to see Canello versus Mungia or something like that. But you got, yeah, you got a $100 pay-review. You got to watch it for essentially free. And yeah, it's just a great night for boxing, I think. Yeah, because people coming up to you and saying, wow, I love that main event. That was not the vibes coming back in November when Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fought each other.

Like, not at all. It was great for Serato and Taylor because everyone got to watch those two fight. And that fight was unbelievable. It was an incredible fight. So at least, like, it was great for, that was a great night for women's boxing. Yeah. It is a bad night for boxing because 100 million people tuned in to watch Jake Paul and Mike Tyson and saw a horrific fight. So it just kind of depends on, I mean, you find your wins or you can get them.

But I think overall the overall sentiment, positivity is more on the Canello Crawford fight than Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fight by a lot, even though, you know, less people watched it, which is okay. What's another fight that you think is big enough that could be on Netflix, Nick? Like they did this again. That's not a rematch. Like a new fight in boxing. Oh, Jake Paul versus Jayfair was Dave. I'm not, I mean like based on what we're talking about where like this was really good for boxing, like a bite that would, that is realistic would make sense because Jake Paul versus a door people would watch. Yeah.

I know. I'm a joke. I think if they did like Shakur versus Chikr versus Hainey or Chikr versus Garcia, one of those somewhat. something in that like or like tank versus chakur would be a sick fight um i think only tank versus someone up there but i think it would have to be like because this one was big because crawford is getting a shot and is he the best and canals established like because the lamont roach fight was weird but that's not gonna i don't think that's big enough for netflix like a ryan like a tank versus chukur or the hayne garcia rematch like those would be interesting teufo movers

in America, though. I don't know how big that would be in America because that's like a very Netflix is worldwide. Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong. Yeah, but I think definitely has to be on your end though. Yeah. Chavonte maybe, like I, people, I think people truly underestimate how over Giovante is in the United States.

100%. Yeah. 100%. Do you is the, do you think the next one is they, the rematch? Canelo Crawford too? I kind of feel like I'm going to run this from back. I mean, that would make sense for rematch. Yeah, I was I was talking like if this is a freshman.

Like Tia Fimo, Ryan Garcia, I think could do it because those dudes talk so much. And then having Bill Haney and then Tio's dad up on the stage together, oh my God, they would sell to fight them. They would have to have their own press conference, the dads. Yeah. The Jervante rematch could be pretty big. Which one? His face. The guy he should be fighting right now.

Why is his name escaping? Vermont. I don't know how big that would be, though, because that fight should happen, but I also think that should happen in Brooklyn where the first fight happened. Yeah, that would be, you would definitely need the right promotional backing for that to be able to tell the story between those two guys. Ryan Garcia is very popular. Yeah.

It would be great. see Inouye in a spot like this, but I don't think he's going to do big on Netflix. Him as a, him as a co-main event, I think it would have worked. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you did like. Maybe more of a kind of a double co-mate event, double kind of co-main event, where it's like two fights instead of one giant fight, more like two really good fights, like, like Roach versus Lamont.

Like if you did, if you did like Tio versus, like, Tio and Haney as the main and then like, in a way versus like. I'm not sure you have to. Nakatani is probably the number two guy. Well, and I think that's actually a fight. I mean, they're won two. And I think they're, I'm pretty sure Nakani is undefeated. That would be sick.

Yeah, you're not wrong. That would be sick. We were talking, hey, look at the conversations we're stepping up. So it's a good day. So to answer your question, Slito, no. No, this is a win. If they do Canella Crawford 2 on Netflix, I hope Benavides is in the co-main against, like,

Yeah. Against like Better Biv or Bivel or something. Oh, yeah. Okay, there we go. Yeah. I know I was forgetting a whole group of guys. Because Canella Benavitas is still a sick fight. That's not a headliner, I think, for Netflix.

Canales not going to fight him at Chris. No, you stick Benavitas in the co-main of a Canella fight and he gets like the eyeballs on because he is a monster and he deserves to have that spotlight. Yeah, I love that idea. All right. Thank you, Slito. I mean, the super chat. You got to throw on Billy Martinez too is the opening fight. That's the three-eyed there.

Toughest snowflake. Is Ilya too old now to pursue a full pro boxing career? At what level would you think he'd compete and would he make more money than in the UFC? Jose, I'll throw this to you. Is Ilya too old now to pursue a full pro-boxing career? At what level would you think he'd compete and would he make more money in boxing? than in the UFC. Depends on who's paying.

If this is Zufa boxing, no. He's probably getting the same paycheck. If this is Turkey, I'm sure he would get more just based off of what we've seen. I mean, Cannell is getting over $100 million, allegedly. So even like $20 million is probably more than he's getting in the UFC. Is he too old to pursue a full boxing career?

I don't think he's ever talked about just pursuing boxing. I think he wants to do boxing. I don't think he's going to quit. M.A. How old is he, 28, 27, something like that? Yeah. He's a big enough name in MMA that if he gets, in this hypothetical world, he goes full into MMA, okay? We are talking very hypothetical. I'm not saying this is going to happen, nor do I want this to happen. If he just tomorrow decides, I'm not doing MMA anymore, I'm giving up my belts and I'm going to be the face of Zufo boxing. A, the UFC would just

strap the rock to him right away. But if say in this world, Zufu boxing doesn't exist and he just quits MMA and goes to the ring or wherever, he's a big enough name that he gets one win, they're going to have him fight someone big. Just squeeze as much money as you can out of him before he takes his first L.

So it might as well just, I don't know. I don't know. So I don't think he's too old, but I don't think he's ever talked about quitting MMA to do pro boxing. Yeah, he'll be 29 in June. January, which is, you know, he's took up plenty of time, honestly. But what do you think of this? What do you think of this whole Ilya Crawford thing?

I couldn't hate this more, but I got to tell you, I think Terence Crawford is just ethering Ilya in all of this. And that's been pretty fun. He's just like big broing him being like, yeah, I've never even watched him fight. I'm a huge MMA fan. I haven't even watched him fight. And then he basically just like wished him well in his future. endeavors like such a no cell and it was amazing to me like it was so great watching crawford

sort of whisk his way through all of this like even the thing at the the media day was just like yeah man he's drunk and it's just like that's it and it's just i just i love the way he's handling it like ilia is nothing and even if he thinks ilia is really something which i think i'm pretty sure tyrant scropper knows exactly who Ilya is. I'm pretty sure he's watched Ilya fight in the UFC multiple times, but just the way and so nonchalantly the way he's doing it, like if I'm I'm livid about this, that he's getting no sold.

I think it's great what Crawford's doing, but the idea of Iliot to Poria versus Terrence Crawford is friggin insane, right? Am I, am I? No, you're correct. You're correct. Yeah. Yeah, I hate it. It's boring.

It looks bad on, I mean, I mean, not that I'm worried about the image of MMA, but it just looks desperate. Just looks desperate. I don't know. Just like, geez, like, all I want, like, all I want from my combat sports stars is just a little honesty. And I just want you to say, I can make a lot of money fighting you. Will you please fight me, sir? Please fight me.

I want to make lots of money. I'm tired of fighting these MMA guys and I have to wrestle up this you just do. I just want a box and you're really good and people will pay lots of money to see you. you beat me up. Let's do this. That's all I want. That's exactly what Crawford said. That's exactly what he said.

He goes, I met him at a UFC event. He came up and, like, said what's up to me and like shook my hand and like introduced himself. He goes, he was very nice to be. And now of a sudden, like he wants to fight me and knock me out. Like, if you really wanted to fight me, you should have just come up to me and be like, hey, I respect you. But like, you and I should fight each other.

Like, that'd be great. Like, I would like to fight you in a boxing match. Like just that's the, that's, that's, that's basically a craft for. But he didn't do that. So now I'm just like, F this dude. I'm like, who cares? Yeah. Enough is enough.

I'm not going to make any money fighting this guy. So what's the point? Yeah. And Crawford just doesn't seem like that type of guy that's going to like, all right, he's not Mayweather. He's not going to fake. He's not going to fake it to sell a fight. It's just not who he is.

And that's good because we don't want another Mayweather. We want to, we want to Terence Crawford. Crawford's like, God was like, don't you dare compare Ily it to Cotta McGrager. They're not even the same. They're not even the same stratosphere. I was like, ooh, I'llie's going to hate that shit, too. Yeah. Well played.

Just so well played. Yeah. It's dumb. But do you do you think it looks, is it just, is it just like the more just desperate MMA guys trying to make big bucks? Does it just feel like that again? Probably. Yeah.

I think it's dude. It's a guy who, I think his, he was like, the dude. He knocks out Charles O'O'O'Avere and he's the guy. Then he does the Nelkeboy thing and he just come off great. And I think he knows that. So I think this is just a, let's keep my name in the headlines and get those people talking about me again, whether it's good or bad, right? And I think this is sort of what he's doing. This is just McGregor 101. But there's just no push for this at all. And the problem is like the UFC is never going to do this. They've already lost, they've lost the biggest star in the history of the sport because they, they allowed him to box.

And while it's good for the UFC and they got a paycheck off of it, was it worth it? Allowing a fighter become bigger than the sport and become bigger than the three letters, I just don't think they're going to put themselves in that position again. And they're certainly not going to do with Dilliot's Poria, who is rising star, but not where Connor was. Let's not forget where the May Mac stuff started was like on a late. night talk show it might have been the tonight show it might have been conan o'brien it might have been jimmie found that is where it started is someone said what do you think about but one of them asked connor about boxing floyd and it seems like no one talked about it until right then there's a big difference between going on the tonight show and tweeting at someone and then floyd was on and they asked

floyd and floyd was like hmm you know okay oh because people started talking about it it's like people started talking about it and that's how it became a thing because it was I know there's a lot of late night news in the world right now and we might have we're going to have two less late night shows in like a year from now already which is I don't have to get into um yeah there's a big difference but like how many like late night shows even 10 years ago were like the biggest thing you go on there you're a big deal has the mMA has a UFC champion ever been on since then, like Rhonda Connor. John Jones has never been on as far as I know. Not that I remember. Rhonda has, Conner has, has anyone else? Did Holly go on after she knocked out Rhonda? No.

She went like on every morning show, but she was on lots of shows. Yeah, she was. Yeah, I'm not sure of the night shows. Totally. But like morning shows, right? But she wasn't like, like I think Nate was, wasn't he? Nate, I have this memory, this hazy memory of him being on something.

But we're not seeing that. now like alessandre pantosia is not going on like jimmy phallon or jimmy kimball either one like it's it's different kimbo kimbo kimbo was on jimmy kimbo you know that was like that was like a big moment in combat sports kimbo on you know jimmy kimma that was like a that was the thing you know well kimbo's also So Kimbo is also the biggest MMA star after Conn McGregor right now. And he's been dead for how many years? And he's still probably top five. Him and Chuck Lowe is still probably top five.

Yeah. Yeah, if you ask a complete non-fan, never watch this sport. Like, who are the, who is the Mount Rushmore of MMA? They were like, oh, Chuck Liddle, Brock Leisure. Oh, Kimbo, definitely. You know, like, just funny. 100%. Um, great playing.

All right. Uh, thank you, Tuff of Snowflake. All right, what else we got here? We didn't talk about this. Maybe the last thing about the Canella Crawford. Has anyone figured out why half of tool was there? That was a nice little surprise. I was not ready for that.

It was a surprise, but there was no payoff. It was just like, oh, what is this? And then, like, they went to a mariachi band, and they went to, like, another, some singers. and like I was just cool but like what it just made I I felt like I felt like the guys just called on you hey Dana can we get some tickets like yeah but can you bring your guitar and drum set like sure but it's only half of us like whatever I mean I don't I don't have is there a connection to Crawford I have no idea why half half a tool was playing I have absolutely no idea

okay I thought I missed something I was like I was like what's silly I was like Crawford's walk into tool i was like he's gonna walk to like he's gonna yeah that's what i thought too i was like right now what are we doing and then yeah and then him walking out to to ilia's song uh or his song i guess for that that that was funny i mean i don't know but he made everybody wait for him which i thought was great like it was just crawford just crafters had a great week man he had a great week crofford i i was pretty confident carford was going to win a decision coming into that week but the way he walked out and looked so like, I'm getting a big paycheck.

I know it to beat this guy already. I was just like, I mean, I've never seen a guy just more confident walking out. But like, didn't look at intense at all. Like, maybe that's just,

I don't remember Crawford just being that relaxed going into the biggest fight of his career. It was just, it was fun to watch. It was really, one of my, yeah. One of my favorite things,

is to watch, especially when he fights like Eddie Hearn fighters, Terrence Crawford speaks so matter-of-factly. Like, it is not even like, oh, do you think you're going to win? It's like, he's like offended by like, how is that even a question? Like, he is, to Eddie Hearn's face, he's like so, it's not even confidence. It's just like, I won. Like, the fight's over. Like, I already beat your guy.

And then Eddie's like trying to talk. Crawford's like, I already beat your best fighter. And he goes, yeah, and? But he goes, I already beat your best fighter six years ago. And then Eddie's like, yeah, but, but, but this and this and this. And Terrence Crawford goes, how are you going to disrespect the guy I'm about to fight? Like he talks Eddie into a corner by making him, Eddie, compare his own fighters and saying his old fighters better than his new fighter.

I'm just like, Terrence Crawford is just levels above people. Like that, that clip of him in, um, Errol Spence in like a hallway like talking and Errol Spence is like I called you and Terrence was like I don't have your phone number I didn't know who you want He goes I saw a number he goes

I saw a number and he goes I don't have got your phone number I was like why would I answer? It's so funny he's so It's just a matter of fact And he just says it and he moves on I love everything about Terrence Garland Me too My favorite part of the post presser

was a reporter I mean it was a good question you know at what point in the fight did you go oh I know I'm gonna win this fight and Crawford just right then just like when he signed the contract next question so good

how fucking savage is him like dude daggers like no like no catch weight no rematch clause and no rehydration clause he's just like I'm gonna go fuck this dude up in his own game and then make a bunch of money and leave

Jesus Christ. I picked Canello. I thought he was going to stop Crawford, but Crawford might be the best boxer I've ever seen of this century. Yeah. I thought Canello was going to win a decision, but it was going to be one of those decisions that was going to be heavily debated. But Crawford looked so good out there. It was really fun to watch what he did. I can't remember his opponent, but it was back when Crawford was fighting on HBO.

And it was one of his first main events and it was in Omaha. and I just happened to catch that fight and I watched it and I remember this had to be at least maybe 10 years ago and I just remember going this guy might be the greatest boxer exists right now and this was 10 years ago and so like I've always been on the Crawford train and I just do he's as a guy like you know just huge as a guy like you know just from Omaha he still trains in Omaha he lives in Omaha he lives in like in a suburb of Omaha it's just like just like I mean they're nice houses but they're not like Canello sized mansions he just lives I don't I don't know it was I've always been fascinated by him as a person just to be at this level and just kind of seem just so not chill, but he knows what he's doing.

He's intense and stuff, but just he's just this dude, you know, just trained hard and he got his, he has his mom in his corner. You know, it's great, you know. Goes out, fights once the air. And then, yeah, and then moves on. Moves on. It's super fun. It is. All right.

Let's move on to some mixed martial arts. The mixing and the martial arts. Joe Subosa, is Nasorini Move Off in the catbird seat to get the first shot at Hamzot after UFC Vancouver became RDR versus Brandon Allen? So if you missed it, Anthony Hernandez, unfortunately, the fluffy curse continues on. He just continues, it just gets dinged up. But, you know, there was a fluffy at one point who probably still would have taken this fight. but I think this is a guy who kind of understands the position he's in. They did not reveal the actual injury or how bad it was.

But Fluffy has told me in multiple interviews that, hey, you know, outside of the Brennan Allen fight where I already beat this dude and I knew I could still beat him with one leg, I'm just not going to fight if I'm hurt. And he's got a big, had a big opportunity against RDR. Winner was probably going to get the title fight after what Imov did in the UFC Paris made a event against Kyle Baha'uholy. And we had said multiple times that, hey, Imovost deserves a title shot, but he is going to need something big to fall in his favor. And perhaps Rdi Ardharto fighting Brennan Allen might be that thing that fell in his favor.

So, Jose, is Nazanianvov fighting Hamzaa Tchamayev next after this all transpired? Well, first of all, I would like to know the origins of Catbird Sea, because I have never heard this in my entire life. I'm learning something new every day. So someone just in the comments. Find the origins because that it was certainly not in my lexicon. I don't know. I mean, it certainly probably bumps him up a little bit. But if already R.

I mean, if R.go's out there and cooks, Brendan Allen. Like Fluffy had a good fight against him and Imov had a good fight against Brendan Allen. But Fluffy didn't finish Brendan Allen, right? He was 2 and 0, but they were both like good. Yeah, it wasn't like clear-cut. It was a closer fight that it probably most expected it to be, but yeah, but he's pretty They fought they have fought twice like Brennan out he's beat Brent Allen twice right because they fall in the region

scene. Yeah. I love that. If RDR goes out there and chokes out Brennan Allen and like the first couple rounds then we're gonna the post fight show is going to be did RDR do enough to surpass him ofov so because he did what both of the other guys in like this kind of round robin couldn't do so TBD but it certainly doesn't hurt him I'm sure he's slightly in the lead now just on process of elimination if all you are if RDR goes out there and has another fight like he did against Whitaker it's probably going to be Mavov yeah he's going to have to if he wants any chance he's

going to have to he's going to have to do what fluffy did to Bromondelizze yeah he's going to have to do that on like something to that effect What do you think, Casey? I kind of feel like Imovof should be actually feeling pretty decent right now after this because beating Brandon Allen is a nice win. I think it holds your spot, but I just don't know unless he just annihilates him. I just don't see a world where Imovof gets hopped over now. Yeah.

Whatever this catbird seat is, I'm assuming it's a really good thing. Imov is in it. So that catbird seat means you have the best view. to the title shot against Hamzat. That is what Imovov is in. I agree with you before. If it was fluffy RDR, it had to be kind of a stinkover fight

or one by the guys get injured during the fight for them not to get the title shot next. But I really don't think there's anything, especially short notice, that RDR can do on that main event that will jump in the line over YMovov. I just don't. So it's just a bad break for RDR.

and you and I mean I admire our RDR's confidence because I would think you would pull out of it I would think you would just pull out too for that main event because the risk just isn't worth it because you're I mean we don't know how bad Fluffy's injury is too so if it's going to get delayed a couple months maybe I'm not sure but if I was RDR I just I wouldn't have taken that fight and kind of demanded another move my fight and give me another high ranked opponent that's going to match at it. equally ranked opponent that's going to kind of matter because this is a pretty significant step back me rd rdr's like top three top four and is he am i wrong yeah rdr in the ufc let me see he's got at least top five in what allan's top 15 he's four where's alan at alan is 11 yeah yeah so that's a that's a big jump back for a title contender to go from a top a top five opponent to a top 15 opponent yeah I would, I mean, good for RDR, just know, I guess being company man and staying in the main event. But, yeah, catbird seat, belongs to him above. Yeah, he is going to need, he is going to need Hamzat to tweet about him and say, like, you're next RDR.

Like, he needs that to happen so badly. But I don't know if that happens. So we'll see. But tough, tough for both guys. Yeah, tough for both guys. The opportunity for Brandon Allen goes out there and beats RDIRR. are all of a sudden he's fine he's probably fluffy's probably gonna have to win one before he when he comes back i would imagine and there are a lot of fun fights in that top five for him

fluffy strickland fluffy izzy fluffy ddp like all these fights would be kind of sick Whitaker Whitaker fluffy fluffy dDP would right so i'm saying now we have to do that that's it yep now we're getting fluffy dvp and i couldn't be happier But that's what I wanted. I didn't want RDR to take this fight and then move it three months from now. And then we have RDR versus DDP. Yeah. Actually, it was kind of set up.

It was kind of right there. But U.S. Yeah. You still get you're right. You're right. You still get it. All of these cats are going to fight each other at some point anyway. Yeah.

Middleweight slaps right now. Yeah, but just a bad break for RDR. but he's taking a risk by even accepting this fight. But it's a paycheck main event. So I know he didn't want to pass up the money too. But yeah. Thank you, Mr. Posa. Oh, oh.

The phrase catbird seat originates from the southern United States. It refers to a position of advantage or control. But what is the genesis of it? That phrase can't mean just nothing. I think I imagine like a cat. No, one of those little furniture things they climb, you know, he's just sitting at the top and just

Oh, here you go. Lazy bed right under that comment. He kind of follows up. It likely comes from the behavior of the catbird, a bird note for pro. I entreats. Now that makes sense. So Jimmy get a man to point over its surroundings.

Wow. Yeah. History. Clay the more you know sounds, Casey. There you go. There you go. Finally, I get to use that sound drop. Yes.

Thank you, Lazy Bed. It's all worked out. Everything's coming at Millhouse. This is great. So who's going to be, which fighter is, which fighter that doesn't have a nickname, do we now call the catbird? We have to find something. Who is the barn cat?

Tandem, McCorn? Yeah, Tamp, something like that. Tammden McCoy. Oh, my God. Yeah. What a name drop. Man. I'm a strange person that I thought that.

Dude, Tandem McCoy, I think him versus Dustin Hayslitt. Was that it? I don't know. Those two guys I remember like early UFC. Yeah, my early UFC days when I started watching, I remember like really liking those dudes. I was like, those are just weird dudes who are fighting at a crazy high level. Yeah. Tamden, Tammden's on the Mount Rushmore of this guy's a fighter.

Like he's just one of those guys. that you just did not believe was actually a fighter. Like, if you ever met him and he said you were UFC fighter, you would be like, no, you're not. Like, he's on the Mount Rush for her. How old? He was young when he retired. He's probably not even 40 right now.

Yeah, I'm probably older than him. Yeah, I think we're probably older than him. They are UFC, like Charles Oliverer might be older than him. Yeah. Let's see. I'll look this up. The barn cat is 38, about to be 39. Wow.

Wow. Okay. November 5th, he'll be 39. Wow. What is he doing now? We got to find out. How's he doing? How's life going?

Is he good? We need a, we need a YouTube series. That guy fought, question mark. And there's just finding guys that we forgot about. Let's see what Wiki's saying. No, they ain't saying anything. Apparently he was a former, no, North American boxing council

MMA welterweight championship one time. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't seem like a guy who's going to have a super lengthy Wikipedia page. I'm pretty confident that these last three minutes is the most, anyone in the universe has talked about Tannenupori this year. I'm very confident when I say that. Yeah, he was in the UFC for

he had nine fights of the UFC and had a had a Stitt in Bellator in between it. That's right. But he had like seven years between like not in the UFC and then he took like a bunch of time off fought in Bellator and went back to the UFC. Like it was weird.

He took five years. He lost a split to John Howard at UFC 101 and then didn't. fight again for five years and he and he knocked out Brennan Ward in 21 seconds. Wow. Benar Ward's a tough dude.

That's a scary man. Like for those of you who are watching when we say Brennan Ward is scary dude like an actual scary dude, not like oh, he's a good fighter. Like that dude would be scary walking down the street. Yeah, he's like, oh crap. Yeah, you ran to that guy at a bar like, oh, geez, all right.

You can have my answer. Why is this man so angry? Bellator 123, which is headlined by a featherweight championship fight. Wow, look at this card. Holy shit. Patricio Pitbull versus Pat Curran. The co-made event for this event was King Mo versus Dustin Chocoby. Oh, hell, yeah.

Then we had McCory and Brennan Ward as the feature bout. Rest of the main card, we had Czech Congo versus Lebar Johnson. and Bobby Lashley versus Josh Burns. Oh, my God. Holy shit. We didn't know how good we had it. We didn't know how good we had it. The second preliminary fight, the second preliminary fight,

features ranked featherweight in the UFC Steve Garcia improving his record to 5 and 0 with the split decision went over Kin Moy. Wow, what an event. I love that era of Bellator where, like, it was like Pat Curran, Pitbull, um, Joe Warren, Joe Warren,

Daniel Strauss, Strauss, Strauss, Daniel Strauss, yeah, like they all fought each other like four times each. Daring Caldwell. Yeah,

like, but like Strauss, Pitt Bull, Warren, all these guys. Pitt Bull, Kern, Warren,

Warren, like they, they, one of them would win and then the losers would, and winners would face each other. And the winners of that would then rematch. So you would have this weird and then Eduardo Dantos was doing his thing down in Bantam weight. What a golden time for MMA.

I reiterate UFC 200 was this is going to be a pull from like comic book fans. UFC 200 is the crisis on infinite earth of MMA where there is an actual line that separates the golden or silver age and the modern age. That is my that is my spiel about comic folks for the day. I was going to say, I was going to sing. I know, dude. It's like right here. Right. Boom.

It's like right here. Whoa. Who's the Barry Allen, right? Who's the Barry Allen of the MMA world? We'll say it together. One. Two. I actually have no idea who that answer was.

Probably Kimbo because they both passed away. So there you go. Yeah. Clip this one off. That's our, that's a social clip right there. Four people would get. get that reference. We're going viral, baby.

We're going viral. Tandin McCory. Tandin McCory, Crisis on Infinite Earth references. BTL is back, baby. We're so back. We're so back. We have the best comparisons

in all of the land. Thank you, lazy bed. Birds. We got a lot of more questions people asking, where do these common metaphors? What are you got to say?

He's come from. what is the genesis of killed two birds with one? Good question. Tandem of Corey probably knows. Oh, yeah. I feel like if we're going to have a trophy for most middleweighted middleweight,

it's going to be Tand McCory, by the way. Like it's going to be a trophy of him that we hand out. I mean, him and Christoph Jotko are going to have to fight. That's true. That's true. Did they fight? telling me they fought. That would be unbelievable.

He can still, dude, he's only 30, he's not even 40, you can still make a run. That's true. Oh. You can do it.

I'm not, dude. Andrew McCory lost to Christoph Joch in 2016. It's Chrisov Jacko. Wow. Rematch, rematch,

rematch. There's your Vancouver main event. There's your Vancouver main event right there. Let's go. He beat Christov Jocko, B-10 McCorrie in 59 seconds. is at UFC Ottawa.

Run it back. That was a fluke. That was a fluke. It was a fluke victory, early stoppage. Early stoppage. We know it. We know it. Early stoppage.

It was a flash knockout. He was still good to go. These guys deserve better. He didn't want, he wants to go out in a shield. Run it back. Yeah. Jeff Jock is the reason

for the middle weighty middleweight. Yeah. I mean, he was always the, he was always the 16th ranked middleweight. And it was like a fight where it was like, all right, to keep his number 16 ranking.

And all of his fights went exactly the same. They were just like grimy, not thrilling middleweight fights. And then he met Brennan Allen and everything changed. And Brennan Allen was the midwady middleweight champion by proxy. Brennan is not allowed to win in Vancouver. He's not allowed because then he'll have to give up his belt for middleweight, middleweight. Yeah, you can't win. It can't be that high range.

It takes a lot on it. AK was like Brennan can't be the middleweight and middleweight champion. And I kept saying like he has to be. Like look at the run as he's odd right now. Like if we strip him of this belt, like he's going to lose. And sure enough, we officially were like, yeah, he can't be the middleweighting middleweight champion anymore. He lost like two fights in a row. So I blame AK for that one.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Lazy bed. The phrase to kill two persons. I love everything about this. Originsates from ancient Greece, specifically tied to the myth of Daedalus, who reputedly killed two birds with a single stone. This I knew was a Greek, something of Greek history. Always is.

Yeah, always is. Thank you, ladies. UFC, let's bring back the nicknames for the events. UFC 320, Daedalus. Oh, yeah, it should be deaf of that. Master of the Universe Classic. Guys, I want to make the show fun for you, too. We've had a great time, by the way.

So have a good debate on the best baked potato toppings. I asked Jeff Neal this exact question. And what did you say? He liked baked loaded with like bacon and sour cream and everything. Bacon, cheese, sour cream. I think bacon and cheese is it. I'm not a sour cream guy at all. Me neither.

I'm not opposed to it, but I never want it. Yeah, never want it. It's always, you grew up in Texas. It's basically your, it's like, Like, you get, when a baby is born, that's what the formula is. You just give them a bottle of ranch mixed with sour cream. I had so many loaded baked potatoes in college because it would fill you up for a good 12 hours and it was only like six bucks or whatever. And yeah, they put like some barbecue in it, lots of sour cream, lots of butter.

I wasn't big into chives, but I can handle a little bit. But so I'm a fully loaded guy. And yeah, it fills you up for the whole day and know when you're only, you know, only have. have like 20 bucks in your wallet to spend all week. Totally. So yeah, I mean potatoes were great. I'm boring. I like just pepper or red pepper flakes.

That is boring. Now, if you give me baked potato with all kinds of like nonsense in it, I will still eat it. But if someone goes, what do you want in your baked potato, it's crack it open and just put pepper and red pepper flakes in it. That's all I want. And I eat the, what do you call it? The skin? The skin. I eat the skin.

I eat the skin too. I nibble on the skin. I don't go. I don't finish my plate. There'll still be some skin left, but I'm not afraid. Yeah, eat some.

If it's like, if it's like New England dinner and you can only like put butter on your baked potato that I want to eat the skin. Is there any potatoes, like the ways of cooking me you don't like? That you don't like?

No. I've had this exact conversation so many times at my life. I've even asked if anyone watches anything about fighting. One of the questions I ask is what is your favorite form of consumption for potato or eggs and or eggs? And most people say fries or mashed for potatoes.

Mashed. But I will eat literally any genre of potato. My least favorite is scalloped. I can do it. I can do it. I can eat it. I'll eat it. But it's not my favorite.

I have been out to eat. You can mess up. You can mess up scala potatoes. Sure. You can mess up. I've been out to eat with Casey enough time. to know that the safest bet for him is any form of potato. Yeah.

I think that's fair. That is fair, yeah. I remember when we were in for the BMF fight, we watched the Astros lose the World Series in the lobby of your hotel. Yeah. And I went to get food and you were like, can you get me something? And on the whole way, I'm like, I don't know what Casey will eat. So I just got an extra large plate of French fries.

And you were like, oh, perfect. And that was all you wanted. I was like, yeah, definitely do. Yeah, I've definitely, during my youngen days, I would just go to Jack in the Box and eat curly fries for dinner. Oh, dude, Jack in the Box Curly fries. Never been to Jack in the Box in my life. Oh, Jacket Box Curly.

Oh, and when you pull out the perfect curl and it kind of springs back at you, you're like, oh. They didn't have them in Rhode Island. I just never, never had it. Oh, wow. So for UFC 300, because I flew up for like literally a day and a half to do the watch party out there. The night after, maybe it was, I don't know if it was the first night or the second night. Maybe it was after the Diaz Mazadol presser that somehow happened that week as well.

There was, I stayed at a hotel and Jack the box is like literally right next door. And I mean, it was like by the time I got back for that press conference, it was like 3.30 in the morning. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, you got to get the, you got to get the. You got to get the Curlies. And if you've never had Jack in the Box, the Jack in the Box tacos, that's all I hear about, bro. Are there shit?

I heard. They're not even tacos, honestly. I don't know. They call them tacos, but there's something else. I have, like, those style. I have heard people have told me they're one of those accidentally vegan tacos. Like it's not even real meat, like a vegan. Oh, yeah.

It's just sawdust. Yeah. But they taste so good. It's good. Like, yeah, at 4 in the morning when you're like exhausted, it just by the time it gets to you, it's already like kind of mushy, like the hard tacos. It's only hard on like the tippy top. And then you get different, you get different textures. You get the really soggy bottom in the middle and you get the crispy edge.

It's like you never know. You get six meals and one. Yeah. And you have no idea what it was inside. And the first bite is going to be like, oh, like steaming, boiling like mush in there. I'm not sure what it is. It's worth it. It's like two for 99 cents.

It's on. I do miss the days when I didn't care about my health. I would agree. I was like, oh, now I've got to think about my health and all that crap all the time. It sucks. I got to eat eggs, damn it. I mean like hard-bored eggs in the morning now for, like, just to get my protein and keep my carbs down. You're still drinking that, like, liquid paste that all of them?

I don't drink the liquid paste anymore, but I do drink a giant, like this, like a leader of a vegetable smoothie every day for my lunch. So I've moved on from the paste and it got a little more protein. So disgusting. I didn't mind it. I didn't mind it. When we were in Anaheim, Casey had like, it was very comical. I wish someone filmed it. He opens with it because we stayed at an Airbnb.

It was me, Casey Nester, and he opened the trunk. and stuff got rattled around. And what was it? Soilent? Is that what it was called? All of it rolled out. And they were just like rolling down the driveway. It was the case.

He was like, my soilent. And he was like, peeing it off. It was all these individual bottles. It was very funny. And then I remember we cover. I can't remember what event we cover. We covered at the T-Mobile. And you brought your own Soilent to the media room.

And you put them in the refrigerator. And then whoever was working there is like, you can't put these here. I'm so mad. Why? And she's like, you just can't. But they're all, they've been in there for an hour. Why? She was just like, you just take them out.

And you were like, okay. And you just left him in there. I put, I put, I put my name on there and everything. So no one was stealing it. Trust. No one was stealing it. No one was stealing it. It happened one time.

I swear, I put two. Because I, because I'll go to the media rooms and I don't want to pick because they leave all these desserts in there. So I'm like, oh, I'm just get you cookies on. I if I don't, if I have to keep it up. So I have to kind of occupy. by my stomach and, you know, so I don't eat the cookies. So I brought my own soylent.

And then I went back and like one of them were missing. I was like, what the fuck? What kind of mystery would steal my glue? Someone was probably like, that's where the extra paint went and they took it out. Oh my God. That's so funny. All right. A couple more questions.

We've got over an hour. All right. Um, do do do Big potato questions Uh, uh, little guy here. Oh,

yeah, real quick about this. I thought this is a kind of a topic to talk about a little bit. Um, Master Universe classic. Guys, you think Tatiana will get pushed to a title shot the same as she was before. Her performances haven't been exciting to some fans.

And she was also on the prelims, probably for that reason, thoughts. Jose, Tatao Souris versus Mena LMO, she was not good. It was tough scenes. It was a very difficult fight to watch. I just don't see a universe where the UFC views that fight and says, you know what, we have our next contender for the Varenda Joroba,

McKenzie Dern winner. I suggested Tatiana Suarez is going to have to not only fight again, but she's going to have to take a step back in the rankings. And I think she's going to have to fight Lupi Godineas. next and I actually think that's a really good fight. I'm actually very intrigued by that matchup because I think from a physicality standpoint, I think Lupi can actually hang in there pretty good with Tatiana. She's a great wrestler,

a great grappler. So this thing could end up just being like a striking match and kind of get weird and wild and I kind of like that. So I just don't see a world where she gets a title shot. How do you think the UFC sort of views her and what's her path back to a title fight? Is it one fight, two? What are you thinking? I think it really depends on timeline of when fighters want to fight and where they want to go.

I would imagine if the UFC does a pay-per-view in Los Angeles and, say, in this world, McKenzie Dern beats Fernandez-Durva. I think McKenzie Dern versus Tatanaswarz is probably a perfect fight for an L.A., especially for a paramount card because they've been trying to make that fight for a long time before. I do agree with you that the Loopi fight would be sick. if timeline matched up because Lupi likes to stay very active I don't think she's going to want to wait

so if she wants to wait I actually think Tatiana versus Lupi on kind of that Q1 Mexico card would be kind of sick I don't think Tautiana Tautiana even for a five-rounder Lupi has fought a lot of people and I think a five-rinder for both ladies

would be really good outside of that there's really no one else for her to fight outside of a title shot unless Gillian Roberts wouldn't be an interesting too. Because Jillian's been on a tear lately. And I think she deserves a big step up. So if we're talking about fighting back in the rankings against someone that can grapple

with a high-level grappling, Jillian checks all those spots. Unless she has a fight, I can't quite remember. She's fighting Yasin Lucindo, which is a good fight. I mean, if she wins, if Julian Robertson wins, I wouldn't hate Herbert's Tatiana either. because Jillian has what the most stoppage wins in women's MMA history certainly the most submission wins I think she passed wrong a bit ago and she's won a lot in a row against very good fight and she's like routinely gone up and up and up so four in a row four in a row and stoppage wins too right

two decisions she stopped Pollyanna viana decision wins against Michelle Waterson Gomez and the Juana Pinheiro and then she just retired Marina Rodriguez with the stoppage. Good wins. If she wins, I wouldn't hate that fight. So yeah, Lupi or Gillian if she wins, I think her fun fights. Yeah. And of course, I mean, Julian Robertson fighting in a place that there's just no better place to end the year at the world's most famous apex. Top 10 straw weights fighting at the apex. Although that main event fucking rules, that's hopefully it happens. We're knocking on all the wood. Hopefully we finally get to see Brandon Royval

versus Minnell Cop because that is the currently scheduled main event. Yep. All right. Let's do one more. We're good? No, you do one more. Okay, no.

Are we good on Tatiana? All right. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, it was a tough, it was a tough night for Tatiana. I left that fight thinking she could never be, like, If she fought Zhang Wei Li a thousand times,

she'd lose every single one of them. Oh. She's got to evolve her game quite a bit. Yeah. Because even Lemo's had some... She was great at, but... Lemo's had some pretty sick reversals and submission attempts that Tatsada got out,

but there were some... Like, Lemo's lost, I don't think anyone's... It is by no means a close fight, but, like, she had some moments in there. I was like... If this was way, Lee reversing it. I'm like, that's what I was saying. Like, if this was a maybe a step up from Amanda Lemos,

and this was like a way Lee pulled these transitions, I don't know how this night would have gone for Tatiana. It would have been really bad. Yeah. It would have been worse in the first fight. Yeah. And I like, honestly, like, I actually thought you could make a case, Lemos won that fight because nothing happened in the second round.

Like, literally nothing. It was a battle against the fence. And the only significant moment of that round was Lemosch with the standing gilly. Like she jumped on her back and had her in a tight gilly and the horn saved her. I don't know if it saved her, but it just the aesthetics of it was like, okay, how do you even score a round where nothing happens? It was that same. It was that same show she tried on Waley that looked really tight for a second. Yeah.

So, I don't know. All right. Thank you much. And last question Where to go? I lost it. I didn't think it. I hit it.

Oh, here it is. Better movie, Adventures in Babysitting or Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead. Oh my God. What a question. I'm not going to lie. Nope. All right.

I haven't seen either in forever. I'm trying to. I mean, I've watched them, but man, I'm having, I'm trying to bring that. I remember the cover, I remember the VHS covers. Ventures of the Babysitting hat. I forgot who was the star in Ventures of the ABC. But they were like climbing up a building kind of like, like there was more of a action movie movie movie movie. And don't tell mom, the baby sitter is dead was like Christine, was it was a Christina Applegate?

I think that was kind of her first parade. Yeah, Christina Applegate kind of her getting a movie roles after. Elizabeth Shoe. Elizabeth Shoe, yeah. That's a name. I think adventures in babysitting, but I have to like, would have to go back and rewatch both of them. I remember that one more.

Yeah, and don't tell mom babysitters. That is a classic. But that was, that was basically just jumping on the popularity of Kelly Bundy on Mary the children at that point. Like, let's just chuck her in a movie and see how it does. And yeah. Both are both classics. It was a great role for Christina.

abigate because she kind of you know we found out she was a good actress because no we kind of only seen her as the ditzy blonde or whatever on married of children turns out she's a well-versed actress so um yeah yeah what a career she's at great career she's been doing four decades at least four decades doing it uh thank you lizbed that was a fun um trip down memory lane and uh one more for jose in particular oh boy no i've seen the new demon slayer movie yet No, I think I'm going to go maybe tomorrow. I want to go see him and I'll probably watch Demon Slayer right after. So I might do a double feature.

So that'll be fine. I see him. Yeah. It's got really bad reviews. I heard. It's got really bad reviews. Terrible. Really?

Terrible reviews. Because Jordan Peel, I don't like how they did the marketing. He didn't, Jordan people did it or direct it. He's just the producer. Production Company, yeah. Yeah. It's just Monkey, like Monkey Paul production. He has like no creative input to it.

So everyone's like, oh, this is Jordan Peel's movie. I'm like, not really. Yeah, I mean, it's just Jordan Peel presents. Yeah, he's part of the team that green lit it. But I mean, I don't know. Which is crazy because or I don't know the inner work. Like he, but like his company or his protection company like won the bidding for the script. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Because he, Monkey Paul Productions was in the running to produce weapons. and they lost the bid and he fired his agents for losing the bid to weapons because he loved the script so much. So weapons is fine. Weapons was sick. Him is apparently not sick, but I'm still getting at that school. I'm more curious because I want to see, is it Marlon Wayne's?

I want to see him in a dramatic role because the only time I've seen him and like he was in Reckling for a Dream, but you know, which is. I highly recommend that movie if you want to feel horrible as a person But it's a good movie You'll see it once You'll see it once That movie's incredible

Oh my God, I want to kill myself But yeah But I love seeing no comedic actors And like really intense dramas Every once in a while So I'm curious by that But yeah I think Kim's one of those

Looking at the reviews I'll wait for it to stream I'm gonna go see Demon Slayer So Because the last Demon Slayer I think This might have changed

in the last like seven days, but the original Demon Slayer is the highest grossing anime movie ever in Japan. It passed spirited away during its run. And the second, now the second highest earning anime movie in Japan is the second Demon Slayer movie.

So it owns like the top two spots. So yeah, I'll see it. All right. And we're good. We good? I think we're good. I think we are good. This has been the Tandon McCorn.

hour. Yes. Maybe we'll bring Tamden on next week. Who the hell knows? Don't tease me with a good time. Yes. I wonder what Tamden's up to. I haven't interviewed him

about a decade. We love you, Tom. Tom Grubesci passed away. Our very good friend. Generally, one of the few people in my life, I can say no one had a bad thing to say about. Just one of the best, one of the greatest human beings you will have ever met in there.

Yeah, Preston Pete's Dombie. It's just terrible news. But, yeah, tough to leave you with that. But that's what it's happening. Casey for Jose. I am Mike Jack. Back next week. Good night, everybody.

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