MMA Fighting - BTL | UFC 316 Fallout, Merab Bantamweight GOAT? Harrison vs. Nunes, Mix's Letdown, UFC Atlanta

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

UFC 316 is in the books, and despite the MMA community feeling somewhat indifferent about the fight card on paper, the most recent UFC pay-per-view event delivered big moments, and certainly a lot to discuss in the fallout — including dominant championship finishes for UFC champs Merab Dvalishvili and, the UFC's newest titleholder Kayla Harrison. On an all-new edition of Between the Links, the panel reacts to UFC 316, Dvalishvili's sensational performance against Sean O'Malley, and discuss if Dvalishvili is the bantamweight GOAT, and if not, what he needs to do to get there. Additionally, topics include Harrison's submission win over Julianna Pena to claim the women's bantamweight title, how massive the potential fight with Amanda Nunes is after their staredown on Saturday night, Patchy Mix losing a lopsided decision, his reaction to the loss, and where the performance ranks in letdowns for UFC debuts, UFC Atlanta, PFL Nashvillie, and more. Host Mike Heck moderates the matchup between MMA Fighting's Jed Meshew and our old friend Shaheen Al-Shatti. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Shaheen Al-Shatti: @shaunalshatti Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A lot of collective groans from the MMA community heading in, but I thought it delivered on Saturday night, capped off by sensational championship fight finishes by retaining champ Marab Duolish-Willi, and new champ Kayla Harrison. We'll talk a lot about what happened this past weekend in Brick City, and we have an old-fashioned slobner-knocker, an old rivalry reborn this week on the program.

So let us introduce the combatants first. He is the climber of all climbers. He's Mr. No Gray area, the hot take kid, man, the myth, the legend from mhmaphiting.com, who will be boots on the ground in Atlanta this week, Mr. Jen Michue. How are you, sir? Good. Boots on the ground tomorrow morning media day.

My first one of those in some time, so that'll be exciting. Got myself a new driver this morning, Mike. So that's exciting. I suspect I'll be joining the PGA tour sometime soon now that science and technology has improved my driving game. And, you know, get to see our old friend Sheen all. Hoopee. Very excited to deal with him today. Yes, as Judge just laid out, the man is back.

Shaheen Al-Shadi, a man I consider a mentor, a motivating force. He's an MMA fighting Hall of Famer who just had to go on and take this little editor-in-chief job with that little website, Yahoo Sports and on Crown. But all joking aside, could be more proud of this man. Couldn't be more honored to have him back on the show. The wise wordsmith, the one and only Shahin Al-Shadi. it's really happening how are you buddy oh man i'm doing so good it's been too long since i've heard those words of the wise wordsmith i missed you fellows it's good to be back jad you look like

you literally just came off the golf course and i'm supremely jealous uh i literally just will not quite literally because i had a couple of meetings i had to take in the in between time but i scheduled my driver fitting to be just in time to take a call on the road and then come do this so Yes, I was swimming in a golf club an hour ago. And again, now I'm perfect. Watch out. Watch out, Rory. I can't make the U.S.

Open field this year. I already missed it. But next year, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be in. I have not, I have not had the pleasure to be able to play golf in like, let me see. Our oldest is about to turn three.

Our youngest is about to turn one next week. I have not played a good two and a half years. I'm so freaking jealous. You can play golf with. when your children are like 10 and you can play golf with them. But then you can play a lot. Yeah, I see Mike out here just crushing the links with his kid, with his boy. So soon.

And with Derek Lewis. And with Derek Lewis, which by the way, that was great stuff. Thank you very much. I'm excited to continue to play golf while Shaheen watches us on the sidelines. And I'm exciting, excited for us to get into this program. And Shaheen, I want to start with you because like I said at the beginning, a lot to unpack from UFC 316. As you know, 2025 has been a weird year for the UFC, some ups, certainly some downs,

card quality overall lacking for sure. And UFC 316 didn't have super high expectations across the board on paper, but this one in execution, at least for me, checked off a lot of boxes. So we've had a few days to digest this all. How do you grade UFC 316 as a whole? Is this to be? This is to you, Sheehan. Yes.

Wow. So out of practice. Look at this. It's been a bit. This man's out here editing shit. He doesn't know about being in the trenches. He didn't know about content. You know, I've changed.

Ivory Tower Al Shadi. That's what they call him. Oh, man, I was just, honestly, I was just, I was lost looking at Judd's fit. It just really is. It's bringing me back to the links. I'm very jealous. Grading on a curve, like, like we, it's such a weird question at this point, right, in 2025 because it's like you asked somebody to grade, like, how was the UFC last night?

And I feel like we're just grading on a curve. because this year is just not, I wouldn't say this has been a memorable year. I wouldn't say this is going to go down as one of the greatest years in MMA history. So like, you know, in an overall scheme, how good was that card compared to like cards of years past? Like, I don't know. It was fine compared to the rest of 2025. Like it was pretty good, right? Like I had a great time watching what, you know, all the various results.

Like it was action packed. It wasn't. It was stacked considering what we've grown accustomed to this year to a certain extent. I'd give it like a B and a B plus. maybe. But again, that's great not a curve. So it's just very difficult in this year where you don't really know like, like what's the quality level that we're going for at this point. Jed, I think you gave it a B minus as well on the post-fight show after the watch party on Saturday. But now that we've seen some storylines unfold and discussion points, a lot of them we're going

to get into in a matter of moments, stick it with the B-minus or a little higher, little lower. What do you think? I'm going to elevate it to a flat B, Mike, because all the criticisms are, like super valid right like that main event great from rob like that he finished somebody that's something new and different for his career that's exciting uh it has spawned a lot of people to very puzzlingly be like actually he's the greatest band and weight of all time because he tapped out a dude that we all universally agreed didn't deserve to be getting this fight but great performance it was fun which is super critical because he is not always fun but mostly i'm bumping this up because of the co-main event, because the more I have had time to marinate on the Kayla Harrison,

Amanda Nunes fight, the more excited and interested I am in that. Seeing Kayla come back to ATT, the heroes welcome from like the luminaries that are at, you know, one of the greatest gyms of all time, certainly one of the greatest gyms active in the sport today. The storylines intrinsic to Amanda being a former champion from there, having gone her own way, coming back, like, I'm all in on that fight. And we got that fight because of Kayla's performance. And it wasn't a, well, Kayla won. Caleb just took it to Giuliana Pena.

Left no doubt this was not the Ketland-Vierre win. Like this, that performance alone has really made me feel a lot better about UFC 316 because of where we're going from it. So full, full-fledged B. Of course, as you mentioned, Jen, Rod DeBalbosch, really. headlined this card in the rematch against shot O'Malley. And a lot of talk about the life changes shot O'Malley made, him coming in the best he's ever been,

not having a torn labrum this time. And O'Malley did start out pretty well, Jeddie. He looked good early, had some trips and slips, unfortunately in round one, loses that round. Round two is competitive. One judge actually gave shot O'Malley round two. And then Marab just took over round three, got the tap with the machine choke,

as he likes to call it, to retain the belt. And Jed last week on the program, not that long ago. You had a lot to say about this man that he's quote unquote not fun to watch. You had some takes. But he went out and he finished Sean O'Malley for the championship rounds, which you just kind of put over. So I'm going to put you in the solo position here. Has your opinion changed on Marauda Willis really after this performance? No, because it's one performance.

Like I had so many people came at me and were like, oh, look at you. You're a dumb idiot. I was like, how did him finishing Sean O'Malley invalidate any of the words that I said before the fight? He's fought a bunch and he finished one dude, that one dude being Marlon Marius, who was literally in the middle of getting stopped seven consecutive times. Like, his style self-admittedly, frankly, I'm smart and right because his style, he went in the post-fight presser afterwards and was like, He directly said, you all act like I'm the asshole when he was like, well, previously I didn't have the belt. It mattered more to me to get the belt so I could say I'm a world champion. I prioritize that.

Now I can be a little more free. I can fight a little. I can try stuff that maybe I wouldn't try before, i.e. As he said, I've been doing that choke in training. I've never done it in sparring, but in grapple. I do it all the time. Figured F it. I'll throw it up and see what happens

because now he is less encumbered by these strictures of I must win at all costs and so I will not try to hurt anyone, just not get hurt myself. So, go all of y'all, I was stone right. And if he goes out and he wins the most shitty ass 4847 over Corey Sandhagen, then everyone's going to be backpedaling to be to my position.

One win does not change the whole structure of your career. He has historically not been interesting to me. And that's the critical thing. Casey loves watching him. And I wasn't like Casey, you're an idiot. I was like, dude, that's cool. Not to my taste.

Still not to my taste with the obvious caveat that Saturday was dope. That was great. If he keeps doing that, then we can re-contextualize the conversation. But one fight does not change it the same way, Wario Batista, only got one letter back because one fun fight after the worst fight of all time doesn't make you a hero.

It means one thing happened. Shaheen, welcome back, my friend. Your reaction to what you... I missed you did so much. There's a lot going on this week. I caught it so many places this week. Yes. Frankly...

Please, go ahead. You should have. And frankly, the people probably should be lobbying a bit more issue. Like, this or, ridiculous what are we talking about man like i i i feel like okay i'll i'll tackle this in two fronts first front mara has two fights in 2025 right both of those fights were really fun like i don't i don't what are we actually talking about because umar and rickamaamaamaama made off was an incredibly fun

and dramatic fight that like the swings of momentum just everything that went out went along with it like that's one of the more fun fights of a year where there hasn't been a ton of really great fights. And then this past one on Saturday was great as well. And it was, you see able to see different levels of different like, you know, looks from both guys. Like, I don't know, I had a great time watching both. Two, like I feel like I actually understand the deep-seated nature of where this bizarre hatred is coming from. And I feel you, Jed. I feel you. As a fellow Jose Aldo for life guy, got the painting right there. I feel you. Our man was wronged by Marab in a very, at a very strange part of his career, a very crossroads part of his career,

where it was obviously the UFC should have just given Jose Aldo the title fight. Instead, he has to fight Marab. And it's just a terrible fight. Nolan really wanted that. Didn't really do anything. Aldo should have won. And we got punished for that. So like you live with that. And so you hold this resentment towards Marab, just like you probably do towards Mario Bartista, which, you know, that dude's not doing a lot of favors. He's not doing a lot of favors to me, either of like trying to be the most liked guy to do that to Jose Aldo and then patchy mix back to back like it's not you're not getting on the winning side for Jed and Shaheen probably in that sense but like I get it at some point though you got to drop it you got to just like yeah he did

that to Jose it's fine he's actually a pretty fun fighter he's a pretty fun personality he's a very interesting interview at this point like he has really become something that I frankly was not a I didn't think he could get to this point of just making himself this interested to whether it's in the cage outside of the cage. And frankly, I think he has. And it's, it's a credit to him, man, because he's probably the most dominant champion we have going outside of like an Islam or something like that, who I guess isn't a champion anymore. I've never said he's not interesting. He is absolutely interesting. And I've never said he's not great. I want to just be, I know you're not saying that I said that. I just want to reaffirm that because God, the comments, I'm sure,

terrible. He's just like, this was interesting. I know, no bones about it. If he does this again, then terrific. Let's talk about it. The Umar fight, that fight was dramatic and tense. That fight is not like rewatchable fun to me. It is just like because Marab's whole ethos for most of his career has been, I will make you very tired. And that's a way to fight. And certainly in the strictures of these rules,

it is a great way to fight. He is unbelievably good at it. But it's not like I'm going to physically hurt you. It's I'm going to emotionally hurt you. you will suffer the shame and indignity of just being so goddamn tired. You can't move. And that's awful. Like it would suck to fight him,

but I don't want to watch that. This week is really the first time that he tried to hurt somebody. And he did. And it was cool. But also like go back even to the first Sean fight. You have this dude just all the theatrics, kiss in the back. Like he's just generally trying to do stuff.

Yeah. I hate that though. Well, you're just a party pooper. try to hurt him if you have enough if you have enough in you to give it like blow him a kiss or whatever try and physically hurt the man how many freaking weeks are we watching the same wrestle boxer do the same BS for 15 minutes and then you immediately forget about it and then you go on to the next one and all these like parade of contender series people who are basically the same people doing the same stuff like at least morab's sticking in your brain he's doing something

different. It is very compelling to me to watch this man fundamentally break people who do not seem like they could be broken. Like you really do see it in every fight at this point. Like you saw Sean coming out for that for that last round. Like he had a different look in his eyes that he did at the first round, man. And that's someone who took a year basically to dedicate them, their life to like, hey, I am going to get good at this thing that this guy is good at and I'm going to win. And then within eight minutes, all that all of that was sucked away. And you just saw it on his face of like, oh, dude, this is just like I can fight this guy 100 times. This is going to go the same way. That to me is compelling in a way that, like, at least is different.

Like, all I ask for is stand out, be different. Whether that different, you know, isn't like knocking somebody out or whatever, like, at least this is different in a sense that, like, I will remember this because it seems like fighting Marab. In the same way that, you know, fighting Habib or something would be such an awful experience because it would just fundamentally destroy your, like, inner soul and confidence about who you are, especially if you're this person who you've basically formed your entire life and identity around, like, I'm this ultra tough guy and no one can break me. And then there's this dude who's the goofiest guy in the planet just doing this easily. And then not even like, he wasn't even sweating afterwards. Like, I don't actually understand.

We like, we need to just at some point in this man's life, someone do a little research and like find out if this is the first actual mutant, first real X-Men. Because like this doesn't actually makes sense and I feel like we've all collectively between the three of us watch fighting for probably way way too many collective hours. I've never seen a human being who can do this type of stuff that Marab just seemingly can do easily. So to me that's interesting. Like I don't know what we're talking about.

And that's it. Like it's just not. Like I don't disagree with anything you said because he is remarkable. He is the best ban on weight fighter currently making a case to be the best band of weight of all time, not there, but making that case, literally has the best cardio the sport has ever seen. Like, all agree. Just doesn't tickle me.

Not like, if I wanted to watch cardio contest, I'd watch CrossFit. This last weekend, that was not what we were watching. This last weekend, he was actively trying to finish a fight to impose harm and to dominate an opponent with a finish as opposed to break their soul. And that's not for me. you all may enjoy him. I don't yet. Hopefully this becomes the start of a Habib run

because legitimately this was one of the Habib criticisms for his career. You know, before he started that title run was, oh, he's a lay and pray artist, he's boring, he just takes you down and wears on you and blah. And then suddenly he finished every human being alive and was like, actually, holy shit, that dude's unbelievable. If that's coming from Rob, great.

And at that point, I'll be like, sick, he's no longer boring to me. But until we get more than a one-fight sample size, I'm sticking with it. I'm glad you're here, Shaheen. Not just because you're the man, but because of this next question, because old-school post-fight shows, we would have asked this. And maybe a fight would have happened. Maybe you both would have an agreement on this.

But this has become just a massive debate heading into this fight and coming out of it. Marab now has 13 wins in a row. He's the champ. Just got to finish. He beat Umar, the boogeyman of the division. And in his last seven wins, he finished PFL, champion, former PFL champ, Marl Marais, crazy comeback. Wins over former champs, Joseo Aldo, no matter how you feel about it.

Pura Jan and a pure and unadulterated mauling. Henry Sehudo, beat Sean to win the belt, beats Umar, tap Sean to retain the belt. So we have a title win, two title defenses and wins over five former world champions and non-regional promotions, four from the UFC, not to mention the other seven wins on the resume. Shaheen al-Shadi is Marab de Walsh really the Bantam White goat? It's such a tough question, right? Because Bantam weight, Bantam, yeah, okay, Chad, you can wait.

Bantam weight is such like a bizarre division in a sense, because is Marab de Walsh really the best bantam weight that I have ever watched? Probably, right? Like, if you give me prime Marab versus any pride bantam weight, I'm pretty sure I'm picking Marab. Like maybe there would be a couple, like, if he's on it. But for the most sense, I feel pretty confident in this. that. And also, like, it's just bizarre the way that we have to frame these things, too, right? Because

you look at his current run and Chuck wrote a great piece on this on crown.com. Great website. You should check it out. He wrote a great piece on this post-fight. We're essentially, like, looking at Murab's record and like this run that he's been on. And it's like the title starts with Sean O'Malley. So the title starts, you know, very late into this run of wins. But like if, let's just pull it back a little earlier and say like he didn't have this whole weird situation with Aldo and he was able to get to the belt earlier. Let's just say the title run started with Aldo. If the title run all of a sudden is looking at defenses over Aldo, Piorean, Henry Sehudo, Sean O'Malley, Umar, and then Sean O'Malley. Like, we're calling that one of the greatest

title runs we've ever seen in the lower weight divisions. Like, it's just, it's just a different sense of like, we look at it differently because of when the belt came as opposed to, you know, the actual names on it. So is he the best bansomweight of all time? I'm not ready to go there yet, but if he gets one more, then he's tied the record with Aljo and honestly, he probably has the best resume. And again, he's already, in my opinion, the most talented band. So at that point, I'd probably say yes. I'm not willing to go there right now. But I also don't really have a great answer when you'd ask me, okay, then who's the alternative?

Like, Tomlin at Cruz or Al Jemite Sterling, I guess. But it's just a very, very bizarre division compared to like a lot of its contemporaries. Jed, has your opinion changed on this conversation? I think this is a ludicrous conversation. I genuinely, like this to me is probably the most ludicrous. But it did crystallize something in me as I've been sort of forced to think about it. because it has been a very prominent conversation. This is obviously outrageous.

Dominicruz's five title wins. And, you know, yes, if, you know, the title reign started earlier, he would. And if I had wheels, I'd be a wagon. That's not the case. And I know Shaheen agrees at least with this part on me, because we've talked about it, ad nauseum historically. Every champion you ever talk to talks about the difference in defending a title, that it is the hardest thing to do.

because it is easier to be climbing the mountain than to be at the top. It is harder to motivate yourself time after time to not fuck up once. To be, in the words of Avon Barksdale, be a little slow, be a little late once. And it all goes to shit. It is the hardest thing to do in the sport. And yes, Morab's run is great. I'm not here to down that. I'm here to say it's two title defenses, one of which everybody,

universally agreed was nonsense. The Sean O'Malley fight is a nonsense fight. He delivered a great performance. Sean O'Malley is still a high level opponent. Nonsense how. And universally agreed how? Like, what do we?

Nobody believed that he deserved to fight for this belt. Who was the alternative? Who was like a more deserving of? Anybody who hadn't just lost to him in a non-competitive fight nine months ago. I'm not even being combative. No, Peleer-Yon would have obviously been better. It still has its failings,

but at least Peir de Yon had won fights. Right. I have seen zero people outside of Peorter, Jan saying Peeters, Yon deserved that title shot instead of Sean. I have seen zero. I, this is not a bit.

Please tell me who outside of the business people thought Sean O'Malley deserved an immediate rematch. I don't think, I don't think anybody thought he deserved it, but I also, it was one of those very bizarre and occasionally, just very rare situations where it's like, actually no one deserves it.

So just kind of like, do the, I guess, do the thing that'll make the most money. There was not actually somebody that got skipped over in this sense for this one. I mean, I think literally any other bantamweight deserved it more than Sean O'Malley, who had just lost to him. But. Umar deserved it more like what? Well, no, Umar also had just lost than him.

So fair point on that one. Fair point on that one. You got me on that one. Umar would have deserved it slightly less. Henry, so who deserved it more like? He was slightly more. Now you're just arguing semantics of my statements. You get the point.

Besides, this isn't even the point. The point of the argument is Dominicruz's five title defenses. is the hardest thing to do in the sport, and that matters, because we've done this time after time, after time lately. I remember when Max Holloway was the greatest featherweight of all time,

and then he lost to Volcanovsky, and everyone was like, oh, actually, yeah, that was probably silly. It's probably Josiah, though. We're currently doing it with Volcanovsky, and we'll see how his run-ins. Maybe he does unimpeachably take it. People were doing it with Kamar Usman,

and then he lost Leon. I was like, oh, that was very dumb. Obviously, what GSP had accomplished significantly more. frankly, if Pantosia wins at the end of this month, like probably going to start doing it with pants. Like it is just happening over and over. And it is happening because nobody can see that the end might come.

Because if tomorrow, Umar gets a rematch and wins, or if tomorrow Corey Sandhagan beats Marab, everyone will just take a breath and be like, ah, shit, you know what? Marab actually only had two title defenses versus Dom's five. that's not even half as many. Clearly this is not, and they'll breathe again. It is a belief that this will happen forever.

There's a false equivalency with this situation, though, because you and I both know that, like, those Dom's five title defenses are not in the same climate or situation or even, like, level of competition that, like, what we're dealing with right now, right? Like, Dominic Cruz, they're as good as can be. Those five times, well, a lot of them came against fly weights, using your own John Jones logic against you, sir. Like, most of those dudes were not.

actual bantam weights but also like it also half of them worked in the ufc they were in the wc and i understand we do this same thing with josal though me and you have had this conversation we're on the same side with this with josie but like it's not the same thing to be it's a hundred that that's ridiculous division in its infancy that is not even operating within the ufc is not the same thing as this is marab going out right now in the middle of this current climate and beaten josie aldo pejorian henry sehudo shano mele mali twice and umarner went nirmigua nemo got off in a row like that's it's just Which is why it's, which honestly is why these conversations are dumb. Because we're just like, there's no actually, like we're comparing things that actually can't be compared in like a real way.

But like, I don't know. I feel like you're just, you're just kind of salty about Marab and you don't want to give him the credit. No, my statement is that Marab probably will. Because here's the thing. I think he will be it. But he's one too. I think it's ludicrous for you to just be like, actually W. W.C. doesn't count.

I didn't say it. By your own. acknowledge me. You're like, you do this with Aldo, but it's a different level of comparison. But also like, you're also, you're putting like only Bannamweight division globally. An incredibly high value on this fact of like, hey, the UFC decided to give you this title shot now. Whereas me and you have had this conversation a bunch of times before. He decided. He could have had it earlier. He didn't want to fight his, his friend. And I respect that personally, but that that's the truth. Like, we've had this conversation a million times. The hardest thing to do is

defend titles. That defending belts, title fight victories are the currency of greatness. Morab is going to get there. That's the other part of this. We are in such a rush to say, I got here first to call him the goat. He's going to because he's probably going to beat Corey. And if he gets one more and he's got three versus Dom's five, it's a real conversation. If he gets two more, which is most likely, I would say. It's not even a question. So why are we having to say it right now? Because if he retires tomorrow. Because Mike is the question. No, no, Grimmy, this is, this is not, you just said, this is everybody. If he gets one more, then that's, that's kind of the one that it becomes a real thing.

And I, that's exactly what I said. I agree with you that. Yeah. And that's, that's my whole point is we can just hold. We just wait everybody. Because if he loses his next fight, we will all fucking forget this. Like we forgot it with Camaro. Like, we forgot it with Izzy.

Like, we, it will just go away. And it's so stupid to do it. And the worst part of all of this, the thing that makes me so infrearry, I fucking hate. Dominic Cruz. I've never liked his ass. I hated him for his whole fucking title reign. And I'm stuck here being like, actually guys,

he won five in a row and that's pretty goddamn impressive. Well, this is a heated debate, heated conversation, but there are other things to discuss. The point around- You brought Shaheen here to piss me off. It's all you did.

I think, yeah, man, listen, I have, I got to be a- We are agreed. I know,

you're needling me. You guys are agreeing with this. But the point for route, one is going to go to drum roll i don't have the sound effect is actually going to go to shahit al shoddy he is on the board yeah needling me well done beautiful uh jad we're we're going to we're going to start with you here try to try to get you back on track here because Kayla harrison did the damn thing she wins the band of white title she runs over juliana painy just like you predicted she did the thing overcame some cheating from juliana

of Pena and then almost ripped her arm off in round two to become UFC champion finally. How massive was this moment for Kayla? And look, the big storyline was, this wasn't just for the title. This was for the title of the face of women's MMA now. Both women put this out there. Is Kayla Harrison now the current face of women's MMA with this win? Oh, yeah, right? Like, who else is it?

I mean, I guess I guess Shang But like is Zhang in the face Shang's just Probably the best female fighter on the planet right now You know But Kayla Harrison is This is what was supposed to happen originally

Right? Like she wasn't going to compete in MMA Then she signs with PFL We know that the PFL thing How long can it last? It ends up lasting a lot longer than most people expect Finally comes over

There's not a featherweight So she just has to say Screw it I'm going to make one third And now here we are. Like this is the all the long road of her MMA journey finally got here. And I don't know how long she'll be the face of women's MMA because after the Amanda fight, if she wins, I don't know what's next. She might super lose that fight. It is, you know, the face of women's A is is a tough, that's a tough job title in the absence of Ronda Rousey.

But she's got it. And like I said at the top, I'm excited for this. because it's not going to save the women's band-o-weight division. It's going to buy it some time. But, man, the Amanda Nunes fight is one of, if not like, it's certainly the best women's fight that this UFC can put together right now. And it's one of just the best fights in general the promotion could put together. You know, it's not Tom versus John, but that's a pipe dream.

This is real. This is almost certainly going to happen either at the end of this year next. And I am genuinely incredibly excited for this. frankly, it's the first time I can say that about a women's Bannonway fight in a long, long time. Yeah, we got the performance from Kayla, Shaheen. And what a moment we got after the win, right? Amanda Nunes gets in the octagon.

They talk about the fight. They have this tremendous faceoff, one that just got me so much more hype for this fight. I think this fight could be absolutely massive. I've gotten quite a bit of blowback for feeling this way because of the current state of women's MMA. So I ask you, is Kayla now the face? and then on top of that, your reaction to the face off and where you sit and what you've seen since that moment, how big is Nunes versus Harrison for the UFC right now, not just for women's MMA, not just for women's Banimate, but for the collective of the promotion right now.

Well, there's two questions in there. So I'll answer it in two parts. First is Kayla the face of women's MMA. I've seen a lot of people talking about this in particular, like before this fight, that this fight was essentially to determine. Her versus Juliana, who was going to be the face of women's MMA. I don't really understand where that was coming from. Because to me, no, Kayla's not the face of women's MMA,

because I don't think there is a face of women's MMA. I think if you go out and you ask any random person on the street, they would know zero female fighters within the sport. That's just sort of the landscape that we're in with it right now. And that's probably like, Ronda Rousey, obviously. Holly Home, I think, had a moment post-Rousy where she was sort of in that vein, where if you ask someone on the street, they would have been aware of her simply because of that upset.

magnitude and how mainstream that had gotten. But since then, I really just don't think that there is an actual answer to that, right? Like who's the face of the women's side of the game? I just, I don't think that we're there yet. This fight, however, and exactly in what Jed was saying, I think may change that to a degree because to me, this is, I don't know if this is the best in most historically important women's fight of all time. I think that may be a step a bit too far, but it certainly is the best and most historically important women's fight since 2018 when Amanda Nudas and Chris Seiborg fought in the O.C. Featherweight title. Like, this to me is the most excited I have been for anything in this division.

A really freaking long time. And it's honestly just one of the best fights of 2025 now at this point, like straight up, right? Maybe the best. If we're not going to get John Jones versus Tom Aspinall, this might be the one fight that I want the most at this point, aside from, you know, like a potential Francis had gone to anything that's never going to happen. But this to me just does feel so historically significant. And the weight of what happens here will impact how we view two different people who, frankly, are two of the most accomplished people on that side of the game in a way that is just really compelling and rare.

And we don't get this a lot. And it's particular in the modern era of the UFC where I know Dana likes to say we make the fights the fans want to see. That's frankly not true anymore. And in particular this year, this is just a really tough year for that. this is the fight the fans have wanted to see. We've wanted to see this since Kayla was a freaking free agent, man, for the first time around, right?

Like this has been the conversation for so many years at this point. It's crazy the way that ends up where I know like years back, we made up this whole scenario where like, I think it was Izzy was going to lose the belt and then come back and he was challenging Allen Ope, it was like Pereira for the belt. Like we made a whole convoluted series of events where it was like a very fun outcome in the exact opposite of the, or no, maybe it was DDP. It was the exact opposite of like how we expected to get DDP Izzy.

This is the exact same, right? Whereas just the whole time it was Kayla, come over, come over, come over, challenge Amanda, give Amanda a real challenge. And now it's Amanda who comes out of retirement for the belt that Kayla has. Like everything about this is so fun and interesting and I cannot wait for it. Speaking of fun and interesting, Shaheen, Julianna Pena is no longer the champion. And she comes out and says the typical things fighters say,

I'll be back. It's just a bump in the road. congrats to Kayla. And then she says, I got dibs on the winner between Kayla Harrison and Amanda Nunes. There's no chance. She's next, right? Like, what are we talking about here?

What are chances of actually getting this in today's UFC? I got dibs on Jed's clubs next time he pulls a poker. If we're just calling dibs and that's how it works. Like, sure, yeah. Send them over. I'll give you my address. Like, no, she's, that's not. No, I'd pay it no mind.

Jedd is pain you next is she on deck for the winner this fight no i mean shoot your shot i guess or whatever like it's one of those things where it's so ludicrous that it's probably like beyond the pale of stupid but i mean i guess try you know put that up there fly that flag see if anybody salutes but obviously not like i said in our post fight show it's fine that Julietta Pena lost usually like a two-time champion losing that's like ah

where will they go will they just retire it's like actually Pena hasn't fought anybody she's got one win over a ranked UFC fighter and again think about this this is a Bantamweight the women's Bantamweight this is not like oh

she has one fight against a ranked you know trying to think like Bantam weight like a men's Bantam weight or featherweight where like there's turnover in the division the same fucking 10 people have been the women's band and weight top 10 for as long as we've been doing rankings basically.

And she's fought one of them. And that was in her last, not last fight now, the fight right before this one in Rock El Pennington. So like, and she arguably lost that. So she can fight literally anybody, any human being alive with the number next to their name.

And maybe she can help advance a future title challenger. Like I, she's, I can't imagine she's really popular. But two-time champion, if somebody like a norm, and Dumont gets to come in here and beat her up. Boom.

That person now, like, that's how divisions develop. You have to take the old and build the careers of new off them. And there are very few new at Bantamway. But now that, you know, Ali Holm isn't there to be the stepping stone in the apex main event, Julianna Payne can step right on into that. There you go. And those are the two title fights. There's another huge storyline that is coming out of this event.

And that's where we're going for round three. Real quick. Please, please. I'm so sorry to interrupt. But just yes or no answer. I'm curious for your guys' opinion, if you were the UFC, would you rather do this fight at 145? No. No?

What I would rather do is I'd rather do it at 145, but lie about the scale. And so the scale says 135. Yes. Because like we have a women's bantam weight division that, you know, we need to. Or just like straight up declare women's heavyweight and be fine. But like, gaslight the scale. 45 is just a lie. Bannam Wade is a real division and the marquee division in many respects.

And so you kind of want to keep that alive and that is important. But it would obviously better if you could just lie about the scale so they can both walk in it, whatever the hell they want to. Yeah. That's brilliant. Just do what they do in Abu Dhabi. You step on the scale, they slam at home. And they say, no, man. You got to do the Christopher Maltesanti in the fish shop scale.

just like take a piece of paper and put it there when they're getting on. So it takes just takes a couple pounds off. And then boom, we're good. Easy peasy. Well said. And that's why you get the point, Jed, nicely done. All right. Let's get you.

Rano's reference. Boom. I'm a professional. It was a great job. The other big storyline that has really come out of this. And Shaheen, I'll begin with you because all week long, we were talking about patchy mix and how big this. fight was for patchy and you and i in particular we had conversations on shows we had one on slack

personally after patchy mix beat maga magma ad moga made off in their rematch and we both agreed patchy mix is a very good fighter he's just not the best band of weight in the world we were fully on that corner together and had been for a while and now he finally signs with the ufc we're gonna get get it to see if he could prove if he's the guy he talked a lot of trash all week batis is a journeyman he's a stepping stone. I'm looking right through him. And then that damn bell had to ring, Shaheen and Mario Batista goes out there

and just outclasses patchy mix from start to finish. This fight was not close. Batista didn't even get a post-fight interview. And just tough scenes all around for the final Bellator Banimweight champion, Shaheen. So 72 hours later, your reaction to what we saw from Patchy Mix on Saturday. It's tough scenes all around.

No kidding, man. I know there's probably at least one person on the NBA fighting team who still had patchy rank number one going into this. Is it? Is it Casey? What? Who could that be? Was it Jen?

Was it a Jen? Surely one, definitely one me. Yeah, man. It's tough. I think it's tough for all of us because it's like a, it's one of these things. I can certainly relate and I know there's others in this industry who could relate. Like I am sure at least someone outside of me on this show told their friends like, oh, guys, watch out for this patchy mix.

We went on Saturday. fight like this guy's going to be a killer he's the next one coming up and then your friends similarly came back at you like what the fuck are you talking about man that that's what you had me watch it's baffling man that's one of the most baffling ufc debuts i've ever seen at at this point like you you take what you watch from that and you come away from it and it's one of two buckets right first bucket is maybe patchy mix was never that good maybe he's you know whatever you want to say fraud check etc etc that that bucket or you look at the other bucket of like hey man Big spot, only a few weeks notice, seemed like this happened very quickly.

The UFC lights gets everybody. Is he more of like an Eddie Alvarez, who obviously lost his UFC debut? Is he more of a Shogun Huah, who lost, who got upset by Forrest? And that was just crazy in the moment. Or is he more like a Will Brooks who come over here and then like just nothing really worked out. And that's what we're going to get with him. I tend to think it's more of the former.

I tend to think that this is just a bump in the road ultimately and he's going to go on that same path that a Shogun Huah did that and Adi Alvarez did that he will be. At least if not a UFC champion, like he will be competing for UFC titles at some point in this run. But yeah, man, that was a tough, unceremonious way to start it out. The UFC curse for these debut in fighters is just tough, tough. That's another thing like with Caleb, like how impressive Kayla's been. The fact that she was able to blow right through this UFC debut curse and just make a mockery of it. Like it speaks volumes.

Jed, we're going to get to the fallout from the fight in a moment and what patch you had to say afterwards. So don't go there just yet. But just the fight in general, the performance, fight week, everything he had to say. Is this the worst debut for a former champion outside of the UFC ever, especially with all the hype he had heading in? Probably. Like, I can't honestly think of many worse than this, right? Like, this is really, really dreadful. Let me check one thing before I confirm that because I did just think of something.

I want to go just taking a trip down memory lane here. No, yeah, this probably is it, right? Like, the only other one would be maybe Shogun because, but that's more victim of circumstance. Nobody respected Forrest and he was supposed to die. And I don't think people thought Patchy was going to kill Wario. I thought that, you know, I thought he'd win. But people thought Forrest was going to get like physically killed. and then he pulled off one of the bigger upsets in the history of the sport.

But that also aged better. And maybe that, to Sheen's point, maybe that'll be the case here. Like, it is really, really bad. I think certainly we should say that probably some of that is just Warrior Batista fought his ass off, right? Like came out, had a great game plan, went back to being fun Mario, not Josie Aldo Warrior. And so great effort from him in that regard. Also, Patchy looked dreadful. but here's the real kicker.

The thing that is concerning is Patchy looked dreadful in his fight before this. The Magavad fight was terrible. And so now it's just like, oh, is he just cooked? Like is he done? Fighters sometimes hit walls and then they're done. Maybe Patchy got a little figured out. I don't know.

But two bad performances in a row is, and I know he won that fight, though many people don't think he did, two listless lackluster efforts in a row, that starts to be concerning. And we don't need to throw him out yet. We don't need to say he's done the same way we don't need to prematurely goat people. We don't need to be like his career is over.

But he is absolutely on tornado watch, right? Like this is, ooh, buddy, one more of these. And I'm going to say that you are, things are dreadful for you. So really, really bad effort. The worst weekend of anyone on Saturday, certainly. I really do wonder. and this is just openly pondering not I have nothing to base this off of it but I do wonder how much the inactivity and just frankly bullshit of the last like two years of his life have affected this right

because you mentioned the second muggle metafir and you're right like you just the patchy mix of the past 18 months has not been the patchy mix that we saw before that and so I just wonder how much this unsteadiness not knowing where you're going this whole pfl thing trying to get out of it and then you're not, you don't just like, that's such a bizarre thing to have to deal with in your life. And it's such a rocky terrain where you just kind of like, is it even worth going to the gym? Like, what am I working towards? I got to think, like, once this guy gets some cage time in and like, frankly, if I'm him, I want to get back in the UFC.

Like, I want to get a UFC fight for, what, July, right? Like, I'm just trying to get in there and get actual cage time because, like, you just need to refine a rhythm. I know Dominic Cruz always says Cade Russ isn't real, but for some people, it certainly is. And I just got to wonder if cat patchy mixes dealing with that at this point because of what he's gone through. Or honestly, to build on that, like, and Mike you said, we'll talk about it. I hated his post-fight statements. And I don't think you should count any of that because you accept the fight.

You accept the fight. But like, maybe he should have just taken this fight. You know, he should have been like, hey, man, like, probably need a real fight camp to make my UFC debut and not just run in here and do this. But he felt compelled to do it because he'd been the last 18 months with PFL has been, so dreadful. So, like, maybe that's part of it too. Oh, we're back. Okay. I don't know what just happened there. I was just staring at you. I was looking at you waiting, waiting for you to make, make words. Damn graphics. This is why we need Casey. Uh, I hope we have both guys back. I don't know. We can hear you. We can see you. Buddy, we're, I think everyone can hear everybody except for apparently

you. Yeah. I think, I think putting that photo up just like overheated everything. Uh, So, Jed, real quick, let's talk about that statement that I just put up that apparently froze my entire computer. I thought the first statement was fine. It was, would have liked to do more and made more adjustments. I'll come back stronger, which is fine. And then it became, took the fight on three weeks notice against the guy on they fight win streak in the UFC. I don't hang my head. And then went on to say most of you men that think you could give me an honest assessment could never relate, especially these wrestlers.

Jed, you love this stuff. You love when guys talk a lot of noise and they say they're going to run through people and then all of a sudden it becomes, nah, I dare to be great. I took the fight on three weeks notice. What did you think of the way Patchy started his statement and reaction?

And then the Instagram story that kind of changed everything. Just say less bro. Like you were fine. Like that is the fine statement of, you know, tough night for me in the office. I appreciate the people who've supported and been along for the wrong.

ride. That's perfect. Yeah, it was a tough night. As we just talked about, we're not saying that you're a gregoon and everything will be a failure for now on. Like maybe that was just one bad night. But then you got to come in, we didn't make you say your shit. That's the whole thing. Nobody held a gun to your head and was like, at the pre-fight press conference, Patrick, you must say that you are looking past this man, that he has nothing to offer you and you are staring ahead to the future because Saturday is a four. That's a you choice. You chose to do that, my guy.

And so you need to fucking wear that. And that is so frustrating. Nah, it's just got to take it in context, man. Like put yourself in their shoes for a second. Put yourself in their shoes for a second. We just went over the two years that this guy has dealt with. Throughout that entire time,

every person in that man's life is telling him, you're the best bansom weight in the world. You're the best bansom way in the world. He's out here. He's rolled with Marab. He's rolled with Aljo. Like he is aware of his skill set compared to all of his contemporaries at this level. He is finally in the UFC.

He's finally free of the shackles of the PFL tour and everything that he went through through that. Of course, he's trying to be at this press conference introducing himself to the mainstream of MMA, introducing himself in a way that gets people excited. It's like, hey, you may not know me, but I'm an MFer. Like, I understand that kind of talk because if he had come out and shown out, he's getting a title shot. Like he's the next, he's, he's Corey Sandhagan right now. if he came out and really done something. So you have to.

Like if you're patchy mixed, you have to be that guy at that press conference. And then afterwards, you have that performance. Again, you have to put yourself in the context of like, hey, you put out the first statement

because you got to put out something, right? And then you're sitting around all day on Sunday and you're hearing nonstop, just people shitting on you, people saying fraud check, fraud check, patchy mix was never this good, even though we have all of this video

of him being this good against people who are very, very freaking talented within this division. And you're just, that guy sitting there, scroll on your phone seeing all of this, it's going to get to you, man. You're a human being. At a certain point, you're going to be like, no, man, none of you guys understand what I was actually dealing with. Let me unload a little bit of it. Like, none of this actually matters.

It's just, again, he's a human being. Like, he felt like he had to explain himself a little bit because the entire internet shit on him for like 48 hours straight. I get that. Yeah, because when you say that, you, you accept the responsibility. I'm not saying he shouldn't. He should have said that. But you got to keep the same energy. If you were coming in, you are accepting that there's a world where you get done up and look like an asshole as a man who says things all the time. I don't think he's, I don't think there is an ounce of his mind right now.

He can take it right here on this show where I can be like, it's bullshit that you're going to change up the energy. Talk your shit and keep it that way. Okay. I mean, a lot happening there. A lot going on with Patchy Bix and everything that went down on on. on Saturday. How much of that did you hear,

Mike, or is your computer still falling apart around us? Can you not hear me at all? No, I can hear you. We're good, Mike. You're talking like you're not quite sure you're hearing us. I can't,

I can hear you guys in waves. So, I mean, this is, this is production one million. And we're just kind of working through it. So sheen, whoever wins or loses,

uh, contested because he's giving out points without any understanding of the points he's giving out. It's fair. You know what? I'm giving the point to Shaheed. Yay! Get excited for Shaheed Al Shadi.

He gets the point. Hopefully you guys could hear all of that. And we continue on. Jed, you're going to be in Atlanta on Saturday. You're going to be Atlanta tomorrow for Media Day. You're going to be in Atlanta for the festivities. And we got Kamar Usman finally returning to the cage. He faces Joachim Buckley.

Lot on the line there. And we got Rosamma Yunus coming back to fight Miranda Maverick and the co-main event. And there's some other exciting fights that got people talking. So hype levels for UFC Atlanta, Jed. I'm obviously a little bit elevated since I'll be going there. It is like a good card, though. I would not say that this is a great card. I won't blow smoke up anybody's ass.

But look, Kamar Usman is always somebody who's worth watching fighting. This is a guy who is probably one of the 15 greatest fighters of all time. I think he's the second greatest welterweight of all time, right? Like this, you know, he's formerly the top pound fighter in the world. He's now, like, returning for real to welterweight, which is, like, this is first welterweight fight since the Leon fights. And we all kind of know how that went long layoff. How will he look? Don't know.

Buckley, you know, on his tour of the retirement home, but this is certainly still, like, an impressive win if he can get it. Buckley's saying some stuff that's deeply funny this week. like that main event is is real i'm deeply interested in it very very excited for the main event co-main event less less excited but it's still good again we're talking about rosami unis what we have is a main and a co-main with two former number one pound for pound fighters on it and sure miranda maverick is not the b side that walking buckley is to in the main event but still solid enough cody garbrandt former champion competing like there's everybody loves paul craig Like, that's always a good time.

You know, this is not the best road show that you've ever gotten. But this is sort of, I would say that this is probably right around middle of the road for what we expect in 2025 from a fight night on the road from the UFC. Sheehan, what say you? UFC Atlanta. We're out of the apex, right? No apex. We'll have some soul at least in Atlanta and a big fight and some interesting other fights. Where are you out with this car?

Where are the hype levels for UFC ATL? I don't know that hype levels is maybe the framing that we use on this. In terms of interest, right? Like, it's kind of circles back around to where we started the show of just like, you have to grade everything on a curve in 2025, right? If this is, I don't know, if it's a card a couple years ago, it's not that great. If it's a card right now, sure. It's better than a lot of the fight nights that we've been given.

So, like, grading on a curve, yeah, B minus. Like, I'm interested in particular with this main event. like Kamara Usman, the speed with which Kamara Usman fell from, you know, number one fighter in the entire freaking world to barely even being spoken of is pretty astounding. And I honestly, I can't think of very many comparisons of the number one fighter, number one pound for pound, sort of falling as quickly as he did out of just everyone's purview entirely. Like we don't even consider him in any conversation ever at this point. And I understand why. We just don't see him that often. So I'm very curious to see where he's at. and also this Joaquin Buckley thing is interesting, the more, the higher up he gets in this card. Also, like, Jet was saying, Miranda Maverick, Rose, like, there's some good stuff on here. Michael Kiesz is, like, all the way deep on the undercard for some reason.

Like, I don't know. There's some good stuff. It's not the best thing ever. Like, Jen and I have been at Atlanta for probably the best Atlanta event ever, and this is nowhere even close for it, close to it. That's one of the best events in the history of the sport ever, total. 100%. It played out like that.

But this isn't going to be. that, but this is also not, you know, UFC Apex 106. I will say when I attend events, they tend I tend to bring magic with me. So maybe something real cool is going to happen because like the last four UFC cards I've

been to, something pretty dope has happened. What was the last one? Oh, what was the last one? A Tampa card maybe? It feels like that was right. I have to, let me look that up while Mike does whatever thing he's doing to transition us to the next phase.

Uh, Shaheen, before that can even happen. The co-leader, the professional fighters league is back. Uh, PFL Nashville. They're building up this heat, this rivalry between Jason Jackson and that gene, who is in a very exciting. We were talking PFL. All right. Didn't think we'd be talking BFL. I didn't prep this, Mike.

I'm not going to lie. Fuck. I mean, are you hyped at all? Are you, is this appointment viewing for you? Yeah. Yeah. They're trying. They are trying.

bro. Talk about appointment viewing. This is the appointment viewing event of the summer. No, man, I don't know. Does PFL exist anymore? It feels like they don't,

if I'm being honest. So like, and I don't say that to me and be malicious or mean or anything. It's just, it's a fact of where we are right now. Like, no. I'm not.

Funnel, bro. Let's go. Gabriel Braga. I think that, like, their fourth fight or some dumb against each other? That is true. They honestly think it's their fourth fight.

I'm trying to look at. I'm trying to look up and see if this is their fourth fight. It's their third. It's only the third. I was like, they've definitely fought at least a couple times. But it's fun. Like,

honestly, this is not a terrible PFL card. I'm looking at it right now. I'm not super excited to work at Thursday night, which I'll be doing, but, you know, not a bad.

Are you going to go to Nashville for it? Are you front row for it? I'm not going to Nashville. Come on. Come on. Break that travel budget out. Let's go. Can't be doing that.

I have things to do Friday. Well, there's a couple things I need to say real quick. One, my internet is fried. Apparently it's coming through great on YouTube, but I literally can't hear anything these two gentlemen are saying. So I'm going to give Jed the point just to tie the game. And wouldn't that, no, I know, yeah, okay, sorry. Yeah, because you won three.

We have a poll already up on the YouTube channel on who you think wins. Because I could do a knockout round right now, but I can't hear what either of these guys are saying. So honestly, I just don't even know how I would be able to score that. So I'm going to leave the poll open for a little while. We'll let you guys aside. We'll let the peeps go in, rewatch the show. You can listen on the podcast network and give your thoughts on how this all works out,

how you see it scored. I'll announce the winner either later on today or tomorrow. Plus, I'll about talk to Rosenobie Eunice in about four minutes. That just kind of fell on my lap. So we've got to do that as well. So we're going to cut the show a little. a little bit earlier and that's just kind of where we're at right now

Shaheen you are the man thank you for coming back why should the people vote for you I'm gonna ignore Mike's question because I don't think he can actually hear me and Lazy Ben has to do the same thing Lazy Ben has a great suggestion here if we should just talk about Mike and I don't think he knows that we're talking about

him big fan of it yeah it's a great idea we're on the same page all right I like that I like that Jed I'll pass that or you maybe pass it to me and just confuse this man Oh, yeah, let's pass it to me. I'm going to State Farm Arena tonight. I'm seeing Wu-Tang Clan and Run the Jewels.

So that's all right. It's the Wu-Tang retirement tour and got to do it. And then I'll be at State Farm on Saturday for the fight. So that's pretty fun. What's going on with you? So I've seen both those guys a couple different times separately of each other. Run the Jewel is always fantastic. I mean, terrific.

Live, tremendous. Wu-Tang Clan was one of the wildest live experience. I can only assume it's insane. They were unbelievably late, like hours late. And then they came out and they were clearly on some wild shit. And they played maybe 72 songs over the course of like two hours where it was just like two minutes and then you'd hear glass shatter. And then they'd go right into another song. And they'd do that for like 10 songs in a row.

It was it was utterly tremendous. I want nothing else. I'm pumped for it. Is like the highlight of my week. And that's with the UFC here. How much of that you get, Mike? Have fun, Jed. I hope you guys enjoy it.

Shaheen, thank you. We're going to have to bring you back again. Jen and the man, hopefully Casey will be back to handle the production needs moving forward because the center that probably works better than mine. So for Shahid, for Jed, I am Mike Keck. Vote everybody. Cash your votes on the channel. We got to go.

Who won? The fans, Shaheen. The fans won. We're still voting. I will doubt the winner in the coming hours on social. Terrific. This is so great. We love you guys.

I got to go. Bye, bye. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.