MMA Fighting - Coffee Talk: UFC 247 Edition

Episode Date: February 10, 2020

After UFC 247, MMA Fighting's Jose Youngs, Esther Lin, and Casey Leydon break down the top storylines from Houston. Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Subscribe to the podcast: http://applepodcasts.com/mmahour MMA Fighting is your home for exclusive interviews, live shows, and more for one of the world's fastest-growing sports. Get latest news and more here: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Coffee talking right now. Cofé, absolutely. Sunday after UFC 247, Jones versus Rays here in H-Town. That's Casey. That's Jose. This is Esther.

And this is coffee talk. Oh, also, Oscar Willis is in the background. You can't see him, but it doesn't matter. What are we drinking? He roasted in Austin, Texas. And it's called. Colombian medium roast. Awesome.

Pokemon's. Yeah. So, sort of local. I should have bought something from Houston. It's Colombian coffee from Texas.

Well, you know, all the coffee isn't from the city it's roasted in. None of it is. And we don't have our cool French press. So how is this

brewed today? We don't have our cool French press here in this Airbnb. We're staying at in Houston. So we've brewed in a wonderful Mr. Coffee.

The Mr. Coffee. The Mr. Coffee. Wow. Where's Mrs. Coffee? She preferred a French press. That's a good answer. Yeah. Anyway, fist fighting, guys.

We saw some fights last night. We did. It feels like a fever dream at this point. Big controversy, of course, though, is the main event. We could talk about a lot of the other

other fights first. Absolutely not. Oh, absolutely not. Absolutely not. We eventually have to. We eventually have things on the post-fight show. We teased our fans some hot pre-limb content. Yeah.

Or later, but right now. So, just so we know, how did everyone score it right here? 1, 2, 3, Chris. I scored it three rounds to two Jones watching an Octagon side. And then, because I was also, like, working and looking up a lot. So some punches I would hear and then look up and miss it. Upon rewatching the two rounds, two and three would tune to the controversial ones. I don't see how you can get it to Jones.

I had one. I watched in the back. So I'm watching the same feed that everyone at home is watching. One, two, three, Ray is. But you can't hear the commentary, correct? Barely, barely. I'm really, I'm really, we're actually so close to the arena. I'm actually hearing the crowd sounds more than actual commentary.

Um, but I am hearing the commentary. If anything, the commentary is so heavily in favor of, uh, it was very weird. We just watched the round three and it's like, Ray's would land an uppercut or a straight or a head kick and they're like, he's tired. And it's like, now they're like talking about the gustus and fight. and Ray's like lands an uppercum. Like that was the cleanest shot of the night. And they did not even talk about it.

Yeah. It was baffling. Yeah. The uppercuts and the hooks to the body, they barely mentioned. And I felt like when he landed a good body shot, it was more like, but can you land that in a championship rounds? I'm like, but we're right here right now. It doesn't, what are we talking about? Like, they were so concerned about like, well, he's not, you know, he's never bought championship round.

And we're like halfway through round two. Like he's, we're not there yet, guys. Why are we talking about that? Yeah. Look at what's in front of you. So, yeah, in the post fight, someone had asked him like, oh, why did you get tired in round four and five? He's like, I've never fought rounds four and five before. But he did pretty good, actually.

I think he won. Yeah, well, that's the thing. Like, I actually don't think that he slowed down that much in the later rounds. I would, could even give Reyes four rounds. But only because when I was taking pictures, I just felt like I was getting more of Reyes landing than Jones Landing. I thought round four was when you know if you watch a fight go okay that's what round's going to be the swing rounds I actually thought round four it was going to be the swing rounds I kind of I went I went I went ahead and went Jones in it but I thought like Reyes because he had so much momentum going in that round maybe the judges would keep it with them but I thought round four was I thought yeah like you said I thought round four was the swing round watching it live that's when the momentum shifted well the momentum shifted uh halfway through the third but not enough in the last 90 seconds yeah it's But not not not not not to give it to give it to Jones.

So when we watched it again, Reyes landed two really clean, good, hard shots towards the end of the third round as well. Yeah. So in that in that supposed tight turning, you know. Yeah. I just don't, yeah, I'm just, after we're watching it, I'm just like, I was, you know, just I don't know, maybe caught in the moment. I was just, I was just still shocked.

I thought it was rounds two and three were clearly raised his rounds and but actually go back to the whole he's tired in the fourth and fifth you should be tired in the fourth and fifth that's what you fight actually to me Ray is raised uses cardio perfectly yeah he came out strong took the first three rounds and had enough in the gas tank to last the last two rounds right so when that when that fit that 20 the bell rings of a fifth round you should have nothing left that means you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you You pleaded it perfectly To the fight. That's not, that's, you should, and when the fifth round ends. That's actually good energy management because you don't want to have energy left over.

That means you didn't try hard enough. You know, when the fifth round ends, and you go, I can't fight two more rounds. It's like, well, that's dumb.

You know, you shouldn't have used that energy before. So I thought Ray's used his cardio perfectly in the fight and I don't think he was rewarded for it. Yeah. Why did judges give it to John?

judges gave it to John because I can't explain the full rounds of one Jones I think it's a lot because I was kind of just reading people's comments online and a lot of people were arguing that silly things like Jones had octagon control which is not a thing which is not a thing is actually not a criteria I feel bad for fans I think earlier because people keep yeah commentators keep saying it

but it's actually not in the rules Not only did he keep saying it, the UFC has graphs talking about who controlled the center of the octagon like that matters. And like, because Reyes. And Reyes historically likes fighting off with his back to the cage. He does. He does. He does. He has so many.

Him circling with his back is what his, he wants. Like, he's luring Jones in. So if anything, he controlled a lot of that fight too by making Jones come to him and overextend and count on his left. It is his style, yeah. 100%. I never understood that. For some reason, like, when we were watching Pride back in the day, did anyone go, oh, that round clearly went to Fighter A

because he controlled the center of that ring? It's never been said before. But for some reason, in Cage and the Octagon, they made this stupid thing up, like, as if we're playing King of the Hill. Like, the guy who wins is the one who stays on top of the monster logo. Like, it's just like, I don't understand where this comes from. And the UFC just puts it out there as this narrative all the time. and it kills me inside.

I also don't know how much of my picking raise in rounds one, two, three is just from the fact that I could hear Jones's corner. And he wasn't doing the things that they were asking him to do. Interesting. They kept saying cut off, don't chase, cut off, don't chase. He didn't do all of that. And then like elbows, he wasn't throwing any elbows. He threw like one. Okay.

Well, then what did John do well? Oh, John's chin was over impressive to me. Like, rewatching like those rounds two and three, he, he's. He was getting hit. Like, the commentary did not mention it all. But if you watch it. His face was all bloody, actually. You just couldn't really tell.

His mouth was wide open at the end. Yeah. And he was all covered in blood right here. If you weren't listening to the commentary and just like watching it on me, like Ray has landed a lot of punches. Like that elbow, the left to the body. The, like there was like one where like John tried to clinch up and Ray shoved him off and just landed that clean uppercut that snapped his head. Great upperc. And no sold every single one.

I was like, my God, like, every two fight, like, I can't, there's not many light heavyways in that top 10 who could take like one or two those and John ate them all. That goes back to your point about like how did John win this fight? So you're asking me, like, why did the judge see it for him? That has a lot to do with it too. Yeah. He no sold every single shot. He knows old and John is so freaking tough. Like, um, regardless of what you want to talk about if he's a goat, whatever, I think, I think what we don't sell enough.

And John is just how much of an actual fighter he is, how much heart he has in that cage. Well, I think his top, his best trait is his survival instinct. Yes. Yeah, even that gustavit's fight that many people consider his best ever, which I tend. Until this fight, I think it was a debate. Yeah, because the fourth rally does that spinning of all of a sudden. Yeah, not even that. Like he didn't, like he's on, like, I don't know, Joe Orroman said maybe a hundred times last fight.

Like, he didn't even train for that fight. And he still won because he's like, well, because like John only used his boxing, I guess, in the lead-ups of that fight. He trained a lot of hands because that's what Gubson is known for. And then like half the fight goes, this isn't working. I'm just going to kick a whole bunch. And then just won that fight solely on kicks. He didn't even train, which is over impressive too. Yeah.

So, yes, John Jones' fight IQ is. Which I think we already knew. We already knew. This is just kind of more confirmed. But it's like, fight IQ mixed with like insane durability and heart is like, You have to finish him. You have to finish him if you're going to dethrone him. Like, I don't know many close decisions that John Jones is going to lose.

But what's next for these two? So... Our YouTube comments vehemently want the rematch. I asked who wants the rematch, and it went straight down. Is this a machita who won? That's what I asked. A lot of the... I'll ask a lot of media members.

That was 50-50. A lot of them were like, well, John... Like he won officially. Like why run it back if you already beat this guy? So people that, are there people that think he, people that think he lost, but got the decision and don't think there should be a rematch?

Yeah. That's insane. But I think they're thinking like, I don't, I think they, a lot of them said I want the rematch, but they're not going to do it. Because like,

why run it back when John won? Like he wants to go forward. And John, whose credit was like, the fans want it. Like, okay. Like,

I'd like to see a rematch. I have the, the feeling that the reason why they don't want to see a rematch is because I think of the Gus doesn't fight in the sense that like John has this way of and the DC way of like if the first fight was even close the second one he always even if he was losing or whatever there were giant gaps though yeah the only fighter better than John Jones lately is John Jones in a rematch like he's won all of his rematch is more violent just two right yeah well no which which ones uh DC and Gustavus No, wait a minute. I looked him fight finder. He didn't win the second one. I looked down it. I mean, let me go to do no, no, no, there's no contest.

Oh, okay. He did not win that. He still head kicked him. See, he's still probably got a concussion whether it's a no contest or not. He doesn't, he didn't win the fight. Oh, okay. Didn't win the fight. Okay. But he's he didn't win it either. Yeah, no contest. So he's, he's won zero and one. So then he's more violent. And the second gust of the fight, what was like seven years apart? We, we, we, we, he's one. We're, he's one. We're That's what we're comparing it to. Also, though, the no contest. We went back and talked about this, the whole Pigo Grams thing.

Now he's under the allowable limit. So there's a lot of stuff that. You're not wrong. Yeah, no, I don't buy that whole, oh, but John now he's going to be studying. It's like, no, like, Ray is going to be, but we don't know how good Ray is even get, you know. So then. Well, if you go back to the whole stupid argument that he didn't train for the first Gus doesn't fight, then maybe he didn't train for this one.

Like who wasn't in his corner that we noticed? Izzy wrestling wasn't in his corner. And you could see that he, when he would shoot for takedowns, he had struggled in wrestling. There's a, yeah, he couldn't secure the takedowns that he'd become known for. Maybe this time around he's like, I have to work. Maybe I don't know. This is all just me assumed stuff.

Maybe he didn't work on his wrestling as much because he's like, well, Reyes is beating everyone with striking. Yeah. You know, I to focus on that. I'm already a good wrestler. That came back to bite him. Now when they run it back, they're like, I didn't work on my wrestling. To me, Reyes can't.

his back is going to be even a tougher fight. Now Reyes has that championship experience. And they're going, he can't fight, bye, right? He's never done before. Now he's done it. Now he knows what it feels like. Now he knows what John feels like. You know, I think it's an equally competitive fight, just as tough.

And I think it'll be just as close. Well, that would make for a fantastic. And I want to see the rematch. And unless, to me, the only way that rematch doesn't happen is if Corey Anderson just freaking demolish. just melts yon which is totally possible what do you think about

Izzy's LOL comment I mean he was going to comment regardless of what happened but that made that fight that made that fight that much more interesting but I agree with Izzy

when he said it was he wants it for next that's not something he's thinking about this year next year yeah but that made that fight like Izzy is one of the

greatest strikers I've ever seen like he doesn't have like all of his movement has a purpose he's not just thrown to throw. Like if the John that fought last night who can eat a bunch of shots,

like I don't know if he can eat a lot of Izzy shots, like that question mark kick into the jab that just Bronson's feet just turned into liquid and he fell down. I'm not saying Izzy. I'm not saying Izzy can beat John Jones. The John Jones that was there last night, the John Jones that was there.

Against Tiago. John Jones that was versus Anthony Smith. That Izzy wins. now John Jones I'm motivated John Jones you know that's a different story but those John Jones

Izzy beats and I think he would be motivated for that fight 100% I think he'd do a lot more work on wrestling because he's like the key to being Izzy is to get him off his feet John Jones is clearly

the better wrestling grappler and he's bigger he's physically just huge compared like the sidewalk that's actually why I know a lot of people keep talking about this fight but I actually don't want to see it

because I just think of Izzy as being undersized Izzy came, is closer to like 170. He came in like 183 and a half in his own fight, didn't he? Yeah, he doesn't cut a lot. Not at all. Skinny cat. So what do we, so what's our prediction?

What's next for John? What's next for Reyes? I think John fights Cory Anderson if he wins, and I don't hate if Reyes fights Jan or the winner of Glover to Sharon Anthony Smith, the Lincoln Nebraska part. Is that what you want or is that what you predict? I mean, kind of like the way the UFC runs your business. I actually think that it's, yeah, that's probably going to end up happening, or John's going to fight Cory Anderson and Reyes might have to sit out for a while

because he probably has a couple of things to... He said he wanted to go on the beach and relax for a little bit anyway. I'm going to assume that he's got a couple of things to heal up. He might have some small broken bones in his foot, whatever. Yeah, my assumption is that he will get the rematch, but further down the line. So Reyes won't fight again until the rematch? My guess is he's out for six months. Yeah.

I'm hoping it's going to be John Reyes. I hope so. I hope it's direct rematch. I'm hoping it's, I don't know, throw up one of those Abu Dhabi or Australia or whatever. I actually would love to see that in Abu Dhabi. I think that would make a really good September. From Anthony Smith to Santos to Reyes to whoever John Joe's next opponent,

all of those fights, John seems to be getting closer and close. closer to a loss. Yes. Yeah. How long can John keep this up? This, this. I feel like we're at this point where John clearly is the best tool of fiber, but he's not, he doesn't, it's not, that gap is gone.

Yeah. The gap is, there's not, there's not that. There's not that shit. There's not dead men walking. No, no. Now, like, it's like, coming in this fight, we saw, you saw the comments, oh, raise, you get knocked out, you know, raise, blah, blah, you know, it's all this stupid crap.

But like, where are the, where are all those comments? now. And when Corey Anderson, or whoever the next guy is going to be, are we, is that John Jones met, what is what the John Jones, you know, just, aura? Orra. Sorry. Orra's still there. Or is he just now just a guy who happens to have the bill. He might have that aura to the audience, but he's definitely not going to have it with Corey Anderson. If Corey Anderson gets through Young, so he's, he's, he's just way too angry for. He said he had, like, John Jones is like, he has a chip on his shoulder and I want to break it off. Yeah. So I actually don't.

Is the John Jones aura of invincibility gone? Yes. Now we're just kind of waiting. What was the peak of John Jones? Like where he's like, no, I'll compete this cat. Maybe, I think the first DC fight. Yeah. The first DC fight.

Yeah, yeah. Even though he did, even though even though, even though, even though, even though was actually, you know, entertainment-wise boring. He, he, he stopped the, he neutralized. He neutralized D. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that, that shot.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like, oh, then you go, oh, John can do everything. So I think that was the peak, even though he did knock him out. I think even though it was a no contest that second fight when he had kicked him. Like he, that was a, that was a great performance.

Yeah, but that came after a really poor performance. OSP with that. OSP, yeah, right. You are right. I forget about that part. Another Southball, by the way. One thing that's bothering me. Your second button is unbuttoned.

Oh, start over. What? I've done this whole. God. Damn it. Sorry. Okay. Okay.

This is embarrassing because I went to Urban Outfitters and I got this book How to Be a Hipster and it was like buttons all the way to the top. And the fact that I didn't button that, I failed my hipster class and I'm ashamed. When was the last time you ever even walked in time? I have no idea of everything. Do you me in favor? I'm just like. leave

just die you know what I like about you Casey absolutely nothing there we go there we're going to start coffee talk all right

all right moving on it's got mean I like it let's get on to one time Houston resident valet sorry sorry I see all this dry ramen in your hair

joke theft for me you can't even come up with their own jokes it's okay you're from Houston you got to steal everyone else's stuff so keep it rolling got it

off speed pitch that's baseball joke sprats guys sprats anywho co-man event Houston native got a teenager

one time Houston resident one time she had a six hour layover in Houston oh she lived here for like three or four years and she shoots guns and she shoots guns and she actually left you for a couple years I know I know I know

She has a tattoo of a gun. That's your driver's license down here inside this. Yeah. Okay. That might surprise me. It did surprise me. In our internal picks, every car I go, I just go, okay, there's always something, because it's MMA, there's always something that's going to be like, you just can't predict.

And I was, my holy shit prediction was, I thought Chikian was going to win a decision. And I thought only because, not because I think Chikagia is a better fighter, but I thought Chikagin, based on Chichiko's past performance versus Karmouche, I thought maybe she might just let rounds go in the sense that in Chakian could do that

ha ha, you know, just touch her of her fingers and get out of the way and win enough, like win 3.1 rounds or whatever, just enough to win a decision. And man, I was just, I thought that was going to me the crazy part, but nope. I think

Valentina actually hated last fight just as much as we hated watching it and it wasn't the same performance I also think there's a couple other factors style obviously if it that point style Valenti is better at it than Chukkadian is just way better I feel like she's fought that style her whole life exactly yeah her multi-career is that her more type career yeah so her experience is just way above Chukagian's in that like even at the fighter panel someone was like what do you think is Chukagian's best performance she was like

that was such a good answer I've never looked up this information it's never been my motivation to find this information yeah Valentina's shit talk her non-intentional shit talk

it's just it's like the it's like Habib where it's like not it's like she has all the words but like she you like she goes it was never my motivation to find this information

I was like, I mean, that makes sense, but you sound like terrifying. Yeah, yeah, no, it's way scarier. I actually thought that despite the, she was definitely, despite the fact that Valentine's always pretty even keel, she was definitely more fired up this week. You could tell just by her, like, she's bad. She thinks she has better reach than me? She's just like. What do you think this came from?

Were we just paying attention? Because I don't remember seeing this in the past. I do. We interviewed her when she fought right before Jessica I fight, and Jessica I had the bulletproof best on. I was like, what do you think about this vest? She's like, it won't help her. And I was like, well, hoo-hmm. Doesn't cover her head?

I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, Carmush was just, Carmish just didn't really. Carmush did not shit talk at all. Didn't say anything really. Maybe just that, oh, you know, you take her down, whatever. But it really wasn't, there was not, like, she's not as good as she thinks, none of that. That was good.

Yeah. She was just like, I think I'm better. Yeah. And so I think if you, really don't yeah I just it's the match up in the style so I really I really think that Chican her everything she does well balancing that is better in terms of like oh she's good at footwork and that like those are all things that Valentina does really great so and just point fighting in general you just want to disappear point

right yeah not outside of the point fighting she took her down and just cut through her like butter like yeah cut through her guard yep got crucifix and just blasted that was actually I thought I thought the ground fighting would be a little closer. Especially considering that you Kagan has Donna hurt. Yeah. Yeah, I was. Like, how did Mark Henry and Donna her in your corner you expected?

I expected a lot more. Yeah, I thought there would be more about it. I really thought it was going to be more of a competitive fight. I was, I was actually super impressed. I was, her, even though she was such a heavy favorite, it was still impressive. Right. She did it. Exactly.

Yeah. Especially because of, like, she did it. the fact that Chukagan has this amazing skill of slowing every fight down, making people look bad, and she did none of that to Valentina. Yeah. I don't think it's too much to talk about. It's actually not too much, but I do want to say, I did appreciate that Valentina was like, well, who's the one, two, and three?

I'm just going to fight them all. I'm just going to, I don't want. She even mentioned Jennifer Maya, who's probably not even going to fight in that division again. Yeah, because she can't make weight. However, but she was saying that she didn't want, you could talk. tell that she didn't want them to eliminate each other. Yeah, don't usually don't have to fight each other.

Please don't match up one and two. Please don't match up three and four. I would rather just keep fighting. And I actually really appreciate that because so, you know, obviously the narrative for the last couple of years has been champions not defending within their own division and jumping up and down and things like that. And she's like, no, I'm a flyweight. I'm a great flyweight. I want to stay here. I think we're going to see a lot of Valentina versus Fighter X

has the co-lane for a lot of paper views coming in. I think when Demetriz was on his run, didn't that happen a lot? Like Demetrius versus, I feel like he was Comain a lot. He was scheduled to be Comain a lot. Oh, yeah. That was like he was supposed to be the Comian 177. Then he got injured. Then he got bumped to 178.

And they were supposed to fight Han and Barat. I mean, when TV. So he kept originally booked as the Co-Main, which is eventually what's going to happen to the Valentine's. That's going to happen. Eventually, eventually like. I mean, it's already happened to her. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, you're right. I mean, Tony Ferguson and Kevin Lee headlined over DJ. who his win, that passed, like, his record-breaking win was the co-main event. And even Tony Ferguson was like, oh. That's kind of. Like, I'm fighting after this guy. Struggle. I think she should fight either Jojo or Roxanne next.

I don't, I know Lauren Murphy called that Roxanne at the end of her fight, but since actually most of the M.M.A decision scores. Most? Say the word. All the scores were for Andrea Lee. I have to go back and rewatch it because I actually don't really know, because sometimes when I'm shooting a fight, I'm really just looking for certain things.

And for that particular fight, I didn't have... Actually, the photographer next thing was laughing at me because whenever it went somewhere, I couldn't see, I just put my camera down. And he's like, oh, I can tell you've been doing this a long time because you don't even bother looking at, like, shooting things you know you can't get. You just look at the monitor? Yeah, I just put my camera down and I, like, watch to make sure they're not going to pop back into the frame. That's about it.

But so I know that Lauren Calder out, but however, it doesn't matter. I would rather Valentina fight Jojo Calderwood or try to avenge her sister's loss to Roxanne Metaferi in Russia. Or Abu Dhabi. Or Abadabia. Or Abadabadi. International Fight Week? Whatever.

Or International Fight? Whatever. She's going to want to fight before then. So maybe Jojo in an International Fight Week and then. No. I like that. I think you got to do Rock. I think Roxy, Valentina, this is the time.

Valentina there's still some like I think Roxie whoever she fights next in the action might fight maybe she likes Jennifer Maya I think she's already lost in Roxie

yeah that was one that was when she was supposed to fight Karmouche and then they pulled Karmouchev to fight and they brought Maya in and then they brought Maya in who was that was like very recently no no yeah that was recent that was 2019

no no no me neither me either what about Molly McCann's been kind of on a tear in this division to give her a Chivchenko no I'm saying like for like she could face these people like No, Mala McCann and Lauren Murphy. That's the fight.

I think McCann has a fight on the London card, but that's like in a week or a couple weeks. Well, she wins and she should fight Lauren Murphy. Yeah, though. I like that better. And I think Valentina, Roxy, I really don't think there's much discussion. I think, I think she,

Roxy's never going to be hotter as a fighter right now. And you have a fresh win over her sister, easy sell. Because now, because you see, you know, they're not good at selling fights without trash talk. But now you don't need to sell trash talk. you can sell actual fight history you know so and roxan has never been more popular that's what me i guess so i think that's it and then yeah yeah yeah bontan will probably

wop up on roxy but they're fighters that's what that's what they do you know oh like roxan's finally popular at the like what's 16 years into her career yeah like and hey and now finally she gets her title shot in ufc on a full camp because of course she fought nico but that was originally she was bummed she was bumped she was right lauren yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah so I think that's it or Barb Barb sorry

what you think Barb's stupid no it was like a stupid tough joke sorry Barb for Lauren didn't Lauren be Barb yeah no Eddie Alvarez

kept confusing them and kept calling Lauren for yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I probably I block

once tough ended I just kind of I take that part my memory and just throw it away and try to replace it with other dumb facts

oh so you you're on the you think there's a limit on knowledge you can have in your brain. If you want to add more, you have to take out. That's how it works. Like, when you eat food, you know, I'm full.

Someone's got to go out. I've got to go in. It works the same way in the brain. Explain so much. That's science. Lewis Latv. How did Derek Lewis look? I was thinking,

last night, or actually, while I was shooting, I was just thinking, man, it's got to be crazy to have this giant dude just flying at you in the air. I don't know, remember who tweeted it, but it was like, this is 300-pound black man throwing flying knees at a fire hydrant. Like, that's Emma May.

I'm like, Emma May is silly. Oh, man, come on. And he came out to Topps Drop, with my fat, Pat. That sounded great. It sounded great. I didn't get a chance to ask Derek, but I just want, Topst Drop is playing. Google it, people at home.

It's an amazing song. I saw Trey in Korea. Yeah. How, but the problem is Derek Lewis comes out, And he's all like, you know, he got his main face. How is he not bobbing his head? This is the information we need. This is like, how is your weight cut?

Not what's next. Like, how did you not just like? How was that jam on? You're not going, yeah. Everyone else in the arena was. Like, they had like 17,000 people just going, yeah. I mean, I was. But, no, Derek, dude, this new Derek Lewis, and this is a new Derek Lewis.

This is a new Derek Lewis with a healthy back, with a healthy knee. With. Almost 100% is it. And eating healthier. He actually said, I actually want to train. He said, I don't like it, but I kind of want to. I was like, what the hell? Like this, like, I hope that, but I hope that crazy Derek Lewis and this, no, focus,

Derek Lewis, I hope that they come together, you know, hope they don't separate, you know, where he becomes like a different fighter. There's some weird amalgamation where we have a chaotic, focused Derek Lewis. Yeah, like, so, man, like, I don't, I don't, I don't. What did you say, swain and banging out here to put on for Houston? Yeah. He certainly did that. Yeah. Got to put it on for a city.

And I will add, he was on the money with his pre-fight prediction. He, if anyone hasn't watched it, I go, Derek Lewis, first row knock out. He was like, I'm probably going to be like a controversial hometown decision. It was very tongue-in-cheek, but man, was he out of the money with that. I just remember halfway through the third round, like, Casey's like watching, but I was like, Casey, what if it's a controversial decision? He just couldn't stop laughing. I was like, Goddain, he's a brilliant.

What a genius, man. What a genius? I was like, what did you see that we didn't see? He's like, it's a Texas man. Texas Commission know what's up. Like when you asked him in the post scrum about it, you said, I know. I didn't want to be like, this is, I didn't want to label this as controversial.

I'm like, what do you mean controversial? I was like, you said this was going to be a close decision. He goes, I said controversial. You can say it. I said controversial. And I go, what did you see? He goes, well, just. Texas, man. We know what's up.

Well, I was, I had a seat next to the judge. I was shooting position next to the judge on the side of the cage. And he said, he hadn't been talking to me the whole night, or actually it's different ones every time. But he turned to me and he was just like, well, you know,

I feel like he felt like he was going to get, people were going to get angry at him for picking Lewis. So he just started explaining himself to me, even though I didn't ask him. What? And he was just like... This is a judge during the fight? No, no, after. Oh, good. After he had turned in the scores, he had said, I score on damage, not on control.

He told me that he didn't feel the TV's takedowns, did anything. It wasn't going for anything. Was he apologizing for doing his job? I don't get it. Yeah, I just thought it was weird that he felt the need to explain to me. And then I was like, no, I agree with you. It was the Roy Nelson fight all over again. But no one thought Lewis lost.

Dummy, dummies. A lot of our Instagram commenters thought. Well, I said dummies, but you. I can't control what if he what if he didn't come out to top drop would you think he won that fight well you would have came out to a tray song or something right right yeah I mean yeah yeah okay just just just came out yeah it came out to a big pokey song came out to maybe a devon song maybe a little zero maybe some scarface maybe some of all that's right yeah so um no no i the fact that why actually Lauren Murphy walkie walk

that's it. Latipi didn't do anything. He just clinched up. Yeah. Like he took, he time traveled and since I grabbed them and then two minutes were gone. Yeah. Now we're here. That's all we did.

It's like, all right, only minute left. No, it was the right score because he didn't have offense. But that's the, that kind of brings you back to the main event when we're saying, like, oh, the scores were all over the place. They were in the sense of like, what counts, right? And John kept saying, oh, my takedowns counted. I was like, no, because they didn't count in Lewis Latifi. Takedowns don't count.

What do you mean, take down? If you count those takedons, that means you have to count all the times, all the times Ray has got up on your takedown. All the times he stuffed your takedown. So since Reyes didn't go for one takedown, does he lose the fight automatically? What are we talking about? That's like this. Eminemate is silly.

Anderson Silva lost every fight because he never went for a takedown. That's true. I mean, yeah, you're not wrong. we actually kind of like I jumped because I felt actually I did that because actually no offense to Juan Adams and Justin Tapa but they shouldn't have been placed above Lewis and Latifie. They were ranked so much lower. They weren't even ranked. They weren't even ranked. They're unranked.

Not only were they not ranked, Justin Taffa had not had a win in the USC. Greg Hart. Juan Adams is one and two coming off a loss to Greg Hardy. And the narrative coming to this is the losers probably not going to have another. Yeah, I didn't actually understand. I don't, I don't, that was one of those. card placements is like oh I know you're like having heavy weights on the main card we already had heavy weights in the main card but you already had heavy weights on the main

card please don't put unranked fighters stick Lauren Hill and Lauren Hill yeah stick Lauren Murphy and Andrea Lee on the car yeah no I would have preferred to see them I don't know if EST had insisted that they were on the under card doesn't matter however I still think that you should if you there were enough ranked fighters on the card that the ranked fight should have been oh that was that was the only outside of the tie of fight um Hill I'm sorry god damn Murphy versus Lee was the only fight between ranked fighters. Oh, is it? Yeah.

There were no other time. I think Juan Adams and Justin Taffer being on an ESPN card where more people can see them, like, in seeing that knockout. This would have been better, yeah. This would have been better for both of it. Well, not good for the loser, but like now Justin Taffa's like, yeah, that's true. Even Mark Hunt gave him, he's like, I don't even watch the UFC, those crooked bastards.

But shout out to Justin Taffa. That was a way of it. He gave him a shout out too. Yeah. So a lot of them like that. Volcanowski, a lot of the... I mean, good for him, but it's the car. Yeah, but anyway, what I wanted to say was

I accidentally skipped over Iga Bechtage. Good fight. Whoa. Someone's bumping. Houston. Houston. Wow. For those of you that aren't watching this.

Oh, wow. Look at those car. Oh, my God. Those are, that's some candy paint. For those of you not watching this. We are in the Fourth Ward. Yes, one of all. And so a little history, I used to shoot rap videos here before I got to M.A. And now this is a nice Airbnb townhouse.

But, yeah, I shot a Slim Thug rap video right down the street. So I think some of the cars in the background cars are just still passing through right now. That rattled the house. It did. That was like a 4.6 in LA. Back to Iga and Bechtich. What did you think of that fight? I liked it.

It was pretty much, it wasn't, like, I asked both men, like, I was going through Twitter because I like to see, like, fan interest in certain fights, and a lot of fans were picking this fight as their pick for Fight of the Night. Yeah. Because mostly because they thought the top two fights would be finishes or they, no one expected a classic in the main event. Yeah. And then obviously James Kraus twice, no one really predicted that.

was going to happen. You know what? I wouldn't have given that fight on the night, though. I wouldn't either. I think that was a, I wish Dana just sent some extra money to Kraus rather than give that fight of the night. Like Lauren Murphy and Angelou was a really fight.

That's actually what my before fight on the night was. I felt like he didn't want to reward Lauren Murphy for winning the decision. By giving that, that's not on her. Also. Go back to his previous statement about how we're not judges. Yeah. That was still the best fight. Yeah, it seems like going into the third round,

like the crowd was like super hyped. So, and that's what sucks because that fight was so low on the card. It needs... But more people watch it, but it gets less important. It probably would have won if it was,

if it was switched with Tafa. Yeah, if it was the fight right before the first title fight, which is where it should have been. Yeah. Because two 25ers coming up right before the 2125 title fight,

that makes total sense. I like having, yeah. I like having the future contenders. Right there. People always say, oh, you should be ESPN more people watch it. No, more people have it on, but they're not watching. Dude, like, okay, in the back in the media, like, we're watched, the top two fights, we're like this. We're watching.

We're studying because we have to know what's going on. Those prelim fights were like this. For most of them. For most of them. You know, because everyone's busy doing stuff. People at home, like, even like this is when people are getting lined, they're in the beer line and stuff. No one's are dedicated to these prelim fights. Even though more people are watching, they're not paying attention.

It was more beneficial to be on the televised prelims when you could have your own sponsors. Yeah, there's more money involved, but now the money's the same. But now the money's the same, so it doesn't. It's just, it's just too bad. Yeah, it was too bad because I thought that was a great fight. Not saying that Giles Cross wasn't a good fight, it just wasn't as good because it was really just too tired dudes being real sloppy. But an original question, I came back to it. I thought it was a lot of fight.

I actually watched, I didn't get the commentary, but I thought Ege's corner. corner was absolutely on point everyone like he would like start off with both this is what you did wrong this is what you need to do and then he was just like and then he went into like that emotional like five minutes of hell kind of thing and he's like let's fuck do this and then like ran out there so like it was like he's his I can't remember the coach off the top of my head but like in that 60 seconds he crammed so much information and he gave was just like yeah and just like ran out and won so I almost got knocked out by the same exact way he got knocked out by Josh Emmett, right?

Yeah. I like that fight for a way. He was running away and caught a kick. Good fight. Yes. Liked it. No, good fight between two... High-level martialized competition.

Guys who should be ranked, but 45 is just so damn stacked that they're just right. Now, I think that's five in a row for Ege. Said he wants to fight the Korean zombie next? That's probably not going to happen. Probably not going to happen, but props to him for shooting very high. Okay.

He gave Bryce Mitchell. Sure. I want that. Because no, they have, they went at it because. Yeah, beef. They had a little bit of beef because Iggy was already booked, but Bryce Mitchell got that twister. And Danigi's like, why are people impressed about this?

Like, it's a bad, like, yeah, it's impressive. You have to make so many mistakes. Right. He's like, he's like, yeah, it's impressive. But like, it's like impressive to, like, pull off, I guess. But he's like, it's not what, like, basically he's like, it's not as impressive people are saying. So there was a little bit of back and forth.

I didn't like how it. ended up getting voted our submission of the year by our staff. I was done. Because I had picked Maya Aspirin because that was just solid. So high level. High level. It was also against Ashtrin. Yes.

Yeah, yeah. There's never been. People don't reward very simple submissions. Technique never sells. Yeah. If it's just against super high level competition and very solid technique. I picked Brent Primis just because the global plot is crazy. That's fine too, but also very difficult move to pull off.

Super difficult. Yeah. But a twister, like you, like your opponent. It has to make a few. A ton of mistakes. A few. Yeah, they have to make a couple mistakes. And they're both in, like, Bryce Mitchell's undefeated.

I don't know if he's ranked, but if he was ranked, he's probably in the lower one. You know, I gay, Bryce Mitchell, book it. Book it. Book it. I don't think it's anything. Other fights happen, you know, people want, people lost. No, it was just, there's, yeah. Chaos Williams won in, like, sub-minute getting that short.

Or Alex Marono. Yeah, tough night for, tough night for four and seven men. Yeah. Yeah. Miles John got his first professional loss. Bad, there's something to be said about these taking short notice fights. Taking him, not taking him as the other guy as the opponent. Like the person that was, he's like.

So like, like Brandon, Arsumar. I was supposed to fight Diego Lima and then. A completely different guy. Such a different fight. Yeah, very different fight. And then you're finding a guy. you don't know either. And Chaos Williams is, he has like a good record.

But again, he's not terrible. But he just hasn't been signed it. Yeah. And he really hasn't bought any one of note. He's fought a couple guys that had Bellator experience that he'd be. Like prelim Bellator. I meant just like in the UFC, we hadn't seen him. So like you can't necessarily, if it's prelims too, it's a little harder to get the tape.

Um, not prepared. Um, I thought. It wasn't, but it wasn't a very impressive punch that, um, the, in the, in the, in the, the, uh, he just like rocked. Fire fight, yeah. He came up and up underneath. That was like, that was a high skill of punch. The only thing I was disappointed about that fight is Chaos Williams did not use his time in the media scrum.

At 2. So, any, like. Afterwards. He was just like, he answered a lot of, like, and we've had this conversation. It's on the, it's on the media. But a lot of his answers were just like, most definitely. Like, there's a lot of yes or no questions, and he'd just be like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, a little bit of that. That's on you guys. Sorry. Yeah, because most fighters, when you get it. to a certain level experience, media experience, you go, if you go, will you, will you, will you have a performance tonight? He'll be like, yes, rather than, you know.

Yes. Or I asked him, like, do you like, is making a UFC debut, now that you're here, is it, was it beneficial for you to make this on short notice because you don't have like six, seven weeks to think about it, and it's killing you in your rack and your brain? You could just like,

I just have to cut weight and show up, like Michael Bisving said, his knockout of Rockholm. That was super beneficial for him, He didn't have through the media. He just cut weight. He didn't have to, like, rack his brain. I can't remember his name off the top of my head. I actually think that's why Krause did so well against Joss.

You know? Yeah. The guy who won, and UC241, he knocked out Devante Smith. It's one of them. They showed a graphic of biggest upsets, and he was, like, five. Oh, Cameron Worthy. He took it, Devonte Smith was, like, pegged as, like, this future contend, and he came in and just crushed him.

And I asked him, and he goes, 100% showed up. I just cut weight, and then just walked in there with nothing to lose, didn't have to like mentally drain myself thinking about this man for six weeks you know those funny those funny all those guys that come in like under a week notice who've never had any televa like kind of big name experience they always win within like the first minute it's never like they win a three round dominant fight you know three round decision they always win like 30 seconds or something like that right am i who's the guy that beat michel fera in vancouver he won a three round decision yeah but but he got but it was it was a little different perera had like a long

bad weight and all that stuff. And Miss weight, didn't he? Miss weight, yeah, he had VsD issues. A lot of people was like, he won the first and then just got tired. Yeah, okay. Yeah. That's kind of a different set. Yeah.

Yeah. I think we've talked enough. How long we've been talking for? How long we've been coffee talking for? Like 45 minutes or something. Two cups of coffee worth. Two cups of coffee worth. Okay. What else? Anything else?

From this card? Not from the card. It was some fun guest fighters back to the back. Yeah. He was one. I said his thing. Yeah, whatever. Well,

I hope everyone goes back and watches, like, all the scrums with Usman with Kenoneer. Was the highlight of the week, honestly, the dance off, though? As far as, like, just fun. Yeah, and then the highlight of the week with the dance off for UFC 248 between Izzy and Romero. It turns out Romero, Romeroz admitted that he was a vampire. He's actually hundreds of years old.

Yes. Well, did you not related to the fight, but, like, Usman was, like, super popular after being Colby. Like, great fight, beat the guy that everyone wanted to beat, broke his jaw, tough, like didn't wrestle, just struck. And then they show him on the camera, and he gets booed mercilessly.

And he, like, plays it up. He's like, ow, guys. And then they show Monsville, and everyone just stands up and he rocks. It's weird because, like, after the little Dustin at the Super Media Day, all I was like, I didn't really think anything of it

because we got like 4,000 camera angles of it, but all the, You Twitter and YouTube are like, oh, this looks bad on Mazadol. He's the one that didn't do anything. That was not the case. That was not the case. Everyone already got it. Everyone was booing Usman and everyone was erupted in for Mazbidal.

It's a very pro-Ressling thing. Rasseling. Rastling thing. Like, Mazzol has gone over and that's about it. Like, it doesn't matter. I don't know how. He got the biggest pop of the week pretty much consistently. And then his interview with y'all, or a scum with y'all and Humbold did great.

It kind of killed everyone else in the card. Yeah, he killed everyone from U.S. 246. Yeah. He also outperformed Connor. Who gets a big, if they had two people in the arena in Houston last night, who gets a bigger problem? Mazvedo or Connor? Mosvado. Mosvidal.

That's insane. I mean, I think you're right. I just think I Plus you're In the back Plus you're in Houston No opinions in the back

No opinions in the back How's your in Houston I know no It's a very Hispanic Community And Mazudal obviously reps You know

I think Latino and Latina It is I think it is very clearly It's gonna be Maserdal But it depends I just

I believe you I just think It's really really Dathomating Yeah Or people would Make sounds

for Connor But they wouldn't all be cheers You know what I mean Some Some might be booze, right? He might get booed a little bit or like, you know. No one's booing Mazvedol.

A lot of jugglers just go, whoop, whoo. Don't try this at home. Whoop, whoop. This father, juggles and juggler. So to wrap things up. Let's wrap things up. This is going to, thanks for joining us for U.S. 247, Jones versus Reyes. We will see you after Adasania versus Romero.

and Zeng will defend her belt against Yuana if she can get into the country. And you can find this also on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Play, and all that fun stuff, because I always forget to plug that. Oh, yeah, I listen to it on Spotify. Yeah, a lot of people.

We get a lot of listeners on the podcast rather than be on YouTube, so shout out to people who are listening. Yeah. And don't see Casey's hat and mustache. One last thing we didn't talk about at all, but I feel we just, I just need to say it.

Jen U-Fry beat Ashley Cummins in Invicta in a non-title fight because she missed weight by half a pound. Miss championship weight. Yep. By half a 4.8 pounds. I hope Jen goes to 115 and goes straight to the UFC as a straw weight. Makes an attempt there. Makes an attempt there.

Now that she's not the out-of-weight champion. Now that she's not the champ, she actually doesn't have to stay in Invicta. Yeah, I just, I want to see. I think Gene U-Ride is a super talented fighter, super-markable fighter. and I just want her to go up and wait because I think she is the 115er and I think she's very good and I think the UFC straw weight division would benefit from it and I think the fans would love it. All right. Well said. That's all.

Thanks very much. I'm Esther Lynn and this is been Coffee Talk. I was a really good impression. It is. Do an impression to me. I'm Casey. This is Coffee Talk. Ooh.

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