MMA Fighting - DAMN! They Were Good | Looking Back At UFC 100 & UFC 200 Ahead Of UFC 300

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

DAMN! They Were Good celebrates the careers of our favorite fighters in MMA history, but on the eve of UFC 300, the MMA Fighting team is taking a break from remembering specific fighters to instead look back at the two previous centennial events Taking place on July 11, 2009, and July 9, 2016, UFC 100 and UFC 200 marked two major eras in UFC history. UFC 100, headlined by Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir 2, was the peak of the UFC attempting to establish itself as a mainstream sport. UFC 200, headlined by Miesha Tate vs. Amanda Nunes, marked the final event of the Zuffa era, Endeavor acquired the UFC just days afterwards. What were our favorite moments and the best highlights from these two events? Listen in as the MMA Fighting team remember two of the most pivotal events in UFC history. Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow Jose Youngs: @JoseYoungs Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Arguably, we've been on that road basically all year long, but we're in the home stretch. And so to commemorate this upcoming event, thought it'd be fun to take a look back at the previous mega events the UFC put on. Speaking of course of UFC 100,200, the past two weeks of Mayfightning.com, terrific website. has done some watch parties for those events, and we're giving them the damn treatment. And I got two damn fantastic people here to help me, both from Mbayfighting.com, Mr. Alexander Cayley, Mr. Jose Young's,

fellas, are you excited to talk about UFC 100 and UFC 200, the biggest events in the history of combat sports? Of course. Yeah. That was a good time. It was an exciting time in our lives. I don't want to say more exciting than our lives. lives are now. But I do think it's hard to capture the magic, the anticipation that we had

when we were younger men looking forward to UFC 100 and you're C200. I'm still young. Well, you're older than you were before. Is that fair to say? Allegedly. Are you? No, time is an illusion, okay. I'm willing to go out to live and say you are older than you were when you saw UFC 100. Big of true. And also older than you were when you watched UFC 200. That is also. Okay.

So I feel comfortable with how I- It's a hot rumor. I feel comfortable with how I blade this out. And it's not just that U.S.C. 300 is whatever. Mileage may vary. It doesn't stack up to 200 and 100 as far as I don't know. Star Power. It's an amazing card.

So it's not the quality of the card. The card is fantastic. There's just a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot. And we don't have as much time, I feel like these days, to fully take in the, you know, the anticipation,

for a card. But I don't know, maybe I'm alone in this. Maybe more fans are more jazzed up and ready to hear us talk about it than I think. I know. I mean, it's hard to, it's hard, AK, to take in 300 when we've got such illustrious events like USC Vegas 90

the week before. I mean, it's just distracts from things like 300. By the time this comes out, Vegas 90 will be in the books and now the fans can focus entirely on this. This will be certainly a little shorter than our normal damn episode. which go three-ish hours often.

We're not doing that. We're just going to look back at 100 and 200. And before we kind of get into the modified categories, I wanted to ask you both, particularly you, Jose, because I know that you were in attendance for UFC 200. Were you in attendance for 100? I don't think that's true. I was not.

We talked about this on the watch party, which you can go watch after you listen to this. I was in El Paso, Texas at my cousin's uncle or cousin's house, I can't remember. And we were watching in the basement and I was writing for a blog called Jose Young's MMA.com. Nice. It was a WordPress and it no longer exists. Oh, love a WordPress blog. I made it myself.

But you don't say. Yeah. You didn't get hired to write that. It's actually a big coincidence because Jose Young's is also my name. It just kind of worked out. And my cousins in El Paso were all like collegiate wrestlers. So like they wrestled around the same time Henry Sehudo was wrestling. So they were all jazzed up to watch NCAA national champion, Brock Lesnar, in the main event.

They were obviously WIV fans, but like they were excited to watch that. And I kept saying, I'm sure we're going to get into it earlier. Because we only, I only watched the main card and like didn't really know how to watch. watch the prelims back then. I sense obviously went back and rewatched it, but I kept telling them, there's this crazy Korean guy that's going to fight in the first pay-per-view, and you've got to watch his entrance. And they were like, yeah, all right, guy, whatever. And then I was like, no, I promise you, he's great, and he's really handsome.

And then they called me gay and told him to shut up. And he's really handsome. I mean, talking on Kim is a super handsome man, so I accept your terms there. So, AK, where were you for these two events? Tell me the story about where life was taking a young Alexander K. Lee. Did you also have a WordPress blog? Man, I did not. I was very much just a fan at the time.

I want to say I was pretty wide-eyed, bushy-tailed, as it were. Because, again, we talked about, you know, we did the watch party for UFC 100, and I had to think back. I think I had only been watching MMA for a couple of years at this point because I got in because of Brock. And this was only Brock's, what, fourth UFC fight? So I got in mainly because of Brock, you know, big pro wrestling fan as a kid. I'm still pretty much per wrestling fan as an adult.

I guess there was, I think a lot of people around my age hit that mark were like you were kind of falling out of love with pro wrestling, either because, you know, you were maturing and the product wasn't what you were looking for anymore or, you know, various reasons. but I heard Brock was going to do the real thing. I'm like, oh my gosh, the cage fighting, the no-holds-barred fighting. I'm like, well, I got to see this. I'm curious.

And then so, of course, we have the first mirror fight, and that's when I kind of tune in and very quickly start devouring all this stuff and getting caught up with everything, getting caught with the greatness of George St. Pierre, the ultimate fighter. Let me tell you something. I jumped in the ultimate fighter real quick, which again is important for one of the UFC 100 main card fights. So I remember I just watched this with family. it was a great time. We all knew it was a big deal. So that was a go on. 200, I think I was already in the industry at this point. I want to say I was interning at a website called The Score. I think this is 2016, right? Am I correct? Correct. So yes, I was working. I was getting my reps in. And now I remember just sitting in an office writing a very, very lovely office in downtown Toronto. And yeah, probably being more stressed than anything. as opposed to necessarily getting to enjoy the event,

but a good kind of stress. So, yeah, so neither. I don't have any crazy stories for either one, like I said, once just hanging out with friends and family, the other working just as I do with every event these days. UFC 200 I was working for a now defunct, another defunct website called the MMA Corner. And from there, I used my work from UFC 200,

because there are also two other events the days before. It was the tough finale and then the fight night. That weekend led me to a job at FanCited, Sports. Illustrated, which that led me to a job at MMA fighting. We're so glad it did. Happy to have you, you know. For me, 100, I've been trying to figure this out since I did the watch party with Mike. I wasn't even 21.

So I think I was at a, you know, a sports bar watching this with friends called B&D Burgers. But this was certainly before I was ever working in the industry. I had just been a fan for a long time. and this was this was the big event that we were all building up to for 200 i had just started with me fighting a couple of months beforehand um so i don't think i was working it because i was still contracting them uh but i was certainly paying attention and doing that sort of thing with it and then in the slack chat with everybody as it happened so it's weird how long ago those both seem now because we're just old except for hosey

who was never growing up apparently. True. Which I respect Peter Pan. That's this terrific maneuver. All right, folks. We're going to get right into it because it's going to be real simple. We're talking about 100 and 200, and we're using the same rough categories we have before, doing it in conjunction.

You'll see as we go through, if it's your first time here, not normally how these shows go, but we're having a little fun today. So the first category is always the Mount Rushmore. between these two events boys you got four fights to put on your mount rushmore uh this was a really hard off like thing for me to do as i tried to parse through this i i really struggled to find four that i i just like had to have i'll start us off yoshiyahkiama allen belcher is the fight of the night you've c one hundred it's also just an absolute banger of a fight if you're just going pound for pound most enjoyable fist fights to watch from these 20 some odd fights 25 i think uh to me

that's the that's the most enjoyable of all of these fights to watch do either of you agree disagree is this on your mount rushmore's as well you know jett it actually didn't make mine i've watched it of course it didn't make mine it's great great fight it obviously stands out because of the two event because the o's six hundred didn't have a fight of the night so of the two events we're talking about it is the only fight between the two cars to win tonight. It is a very good fight. I don't consider it like an all-time great banger. It was just, yeah.

Go ahead. Here's my reasoning. That's the number one one for me. A, because I told all of my cousins that this really handsome Korean man is going to do the damn thing and he did the damn thing. If you made a list of the 500 best fights in the history of MMA, this might be the only one on there. And it might be in the high 400s, if that makes sense. None of these other fights, U.S.C. 100, 200, would even be remotely close to the 500-greatest fights ever.

That's okay. I agree with that. That is perfectly fine because they were great performances, but in terms of a competitive fight, it's really the only one. It's a great fight. Like I said, if you put 500-guerest fights ever in all mixed martial arts, it's probably like 480. It's not cracking the top 250, but none of the other fights on either card are even going to crack that 500 best fights ever.

Yeah, of all the fights that went to a decision, that's clearly the best one. But I didn't pick any fights that went to a decision. So there you go. Maybe that explains my list. I mean, you're just, you're teasing it out. That's good podcasting, AK. Now people have some to look forward to. I think you're dead wrong.

Honestly, for the exact same argument I just made, this is one of the better fights that the promotion has ever put forth. And the other ones, maybe more meaningful, certainly not as fun. My number two, I went Jose Aldo Frankie Edgar too. Yeah. UFC 200. This is the fight I remember probably the most of all of these fights watching because I have just been the biggest Josaldo fan forever. And I was for whatever reason, just terrified that he was going to lose to Frankie Edgar.

Despite the fact that he had already done this before and beaten Frankie Edgar, you know, competently, I was like, I don't know. I guess it was just coming off the Connor loss. Maybe I was starting to think he's past it. And this was so important to me emotionally. And so even though this, you know, this was a good fight, it was probably, it was competitive, but not, I would not say close. So when we watched it, I was just emotionally hooked the entire time. And so I still remember watching this and being like, is Frankie going to rob him?

Are the judges going to think all of these missed punches are good? Oh my God, I hope he wins. So that is number two on my list. Jose, it sounds like you agree. Yeah, this was Vintets Josealdo. Just played the Matador. When we did the rewatch party, you know, we made note. It was me, Mike and Casey, and then Shaheen joined.

I think he joined for this one. It might have been just the Anderson one. But it really was, like you said, like, Joe Zaldo was missing a lot. Frankie was also missing a lot, but missing more. Because Joseo, if you rewatch that, was on his back foot a lot. whole time but not because frankie was pressuring him like because it was very clearly the game

plan and you know he was just kind of piecing him up and even like did that jumping like he left the ground throwing a hook i think he might have pushed off the cage at one point so this this was more of a technical masterpiece from josie aldo i also remember vividly i'm not gonna i shouted i'll say dwayne finley at who used to cover mma was there to cover and he's a big Frankie Edgar Mark and was just like, 50-45 Frankie at worst 49-4-2. I'm like, are you insane?

So like, and everyone was like, all right, Dwayne. So, but like, he was pretty convinced that Frankie got robbed. I don't know if he still felt that way. It also is drastically different watching a fight live. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, I have great fight, a lot of fun fight.

But neither man has ever been in a bad fight. It's true. And that was, well, I would say the Connor fight was a bad fight for our boy, Jose. That's okay. Yeah, but that, like, Dwayne Finley's reaction is exactly why I was afraid the whole time. So I was like, my eyes see that Jose is beating his ass, but I don't trust that everyone else's eyes. Yeah.

Is he about to lose this awful thing? And then when they read 4946, I was like, okay, he's got it. There's no way that you gave Frankie, though apparently maybe you could have Dwayne Finley. So that's my number two. my number three I didn't remember this fight being as fun as it was until I went back and rewatched it Calvin Gasolm Johnny Hendrix

UFC 200 was just a way more fun fight than I recall it being Hendrix famously blew weight and this was kind of peak Gastilum as a as a welterweight threat just I mean Johnny Hendricks I know he got a couple of 3027s hung on him but certainly early was very competitive

in this fight had had some real moments pretty good back and forth action. Just really fun fight. So my list went entirely on just rewatchability now, nothing to do with the stakes, et cetera. And I think that this is one of the three or the four most rewatchable fights from these two cards. We are not on the same page, Jim, Mishu.

We are 0 for three right now. I didn't pick any. I knew that when all of mine went to decision. So you and I are going to have no overlap. No overlap whatsoever, sir. I'll talk more about the Aldo thing later. But, yeah, no, I've, again, I'm not disputing anything on your list. You went with competitive, like I said, rewatchable fights.

My list will look different. But I'm curious to hear what Jose has to say about that one. The gasoline Johnny Hendricks fight? Yeah. I mean, it was, it was more fun than I expected because this is kind of when Johnny, this is kind of the beginning of Johnny Henders kind of, you know, on the downslide. I know he had missed weight to the point where I believe when he did. miss weight he came out and gave the media a little lecture before he weighed in i can't remember

for this one or us that sounds like not a lecture but he's like oh i miscalculated and this and that um yeah but it was that fight was fun that fight was fun it was still johnny hendricks was still like his only losses had been to gs p robbie lawler and wonder boy at the time uh in the ufc late like outside of that i think it was rick story like eons ago so but johnny hendricks was still very much in play. And I don't even know if they were doing rankings at the time, but the UFC official rankings, but he was very much in that, like, top seven mix.

And Kelvin Gasland was still a very fun welterweight, who had strung together a lot of impressive wins in short amount of time. So, yeah, it wasn't, it was both of them performed exactly as you'd expect. I was at the time of prize Kelvin won, because I still thought Johnny Hendricks was fantastic. Yeah. And then my last one, I don't think any of either of you will have this.

But I just wanted to shout it out because it was a joy to watch. It was still very fun to rewatch. And I just assume we won't speak about this in any other context today. I went T.J. Dillishaw Hafele-Sunz-Sung-Sau. Just, I mean, Jose, you are a lover of elite mixed martial arts. This was that to a T. And I'm just always going to be pretty pumped to watch like, vintage t j dillishaw do his thing uh for my money the best bannam weight we've ever seen like just

from i know that that's very loaded these days but when he was cooking boy he was cooking with gas and i've always had an immense amount of respect for afila sunsow in part because i know him trains in the Atlanta area been around him a bunch one of those dudes who is super underrated just never going to blow your doors off but just a consummate professional and T.J. Dillashaw looked exceptional in a competitive fun fight. So I just figured we wouldn't get any other love. This was my third pick. This was my number three.

Hell yeah. Let's go. But not because it was competitive. I think the T.J. Dillishaw in this fight specifically is the best Bannon way I've ever seen. Like this fight specifically. He is everything like he was a better striker, better wrestler, better grapple. He pitched a perfect game. And a lot of people say like, oh, the Connor McGregor knocking on Eddie Alvarez or like the Anderson Silva Forrest Griffin.

Like those are perfect games where you just put on a masterclass and then knock them out. Those are quick fights. T.J. Dilleshaw did mixed every aspects of every martial art in this fight. And Hafele Sunsout, who at the time, I think had won seven or eight in a row and had beat in T.J. before in a very close competitive fight. I so I'll say it again I think this fight this t j dillishaw u.c 200 is the best bansom weight i've ever seen followed closely by pewter yon against cori sanhagen from ufc 260 whatever in abo d'bund if you could take that pewter yon and that t j dillishaw and put them in a cage that would be the best that

would be the highest level of martial arts i so in my head i just thought it like that this maybe is just the best T.J. Dillichhardt performance. And hadn't extrapolated that out as to possibly being the best Bannonweight performance of all time. But it really was like a Volcanovsky Holloway 3. Like, oh, like, Max isn't getting his doors blown off. You know, like he's in there competing. But one of these dudes is just here and Jenny out there. And the issue is later that year, we had Cody Garbrand's perfect game against Dominic Cruz. And that Cody Garbrandt's perfect game against Dominic Cruz. and that Cody Garbrand that showed up against Dom

is there's also an argument that that's the greatest Bannerway for him ever. Just perfect games what many people consider the quote unquote goat of Bannamweight. That probably is the best Bainterweight performance ever. I agree. Just an unbelievable effort.

So I love that you and I went three for four. So Jose, round out your Mount Rush more than before we get to A.K. And his finishing nonsense. Um, I mean, I would, I, I'm going to go off the top of my head because I had written this down and then forgot to save it. So I'm trying to remember what I even said. Um, there are a lot of performances that I like that I saved for the, the Randolplex award that I probably would have.

Yeah. Um, I won't argue about Kelvin and Johnny being fourth. I can't remember what I had a fourth. I just remember those three. There, the thing is like, UFC 100 has some great fights as well, but they weren't. barn burners like jim miller mac dancing is a jimler mcc dansing fight same as dong kim and tj grant and the mark coleman step and bonner but yeah those are the three best and then you could just throw in johnny and kelvin yeah to to the 100 point i'm interested to see your list or to hear your list okay because as i was going through this i was hoping for a little more parity uh but uc 200 was just a much more enjoyable watch than you see 100 as it went back and and re did it not

that 100 is bad. It's just a lot of those fights didn't. They ended really quickly or they were fun, but not like not really back and forth affairs. You know, John Fitch and Paula Tiago did John Fitch and Paula Tiago things. So 100 felt like it didn't get enough love for me. So AK, did you give 100 more love in your suit of finishes? And I'm a little surprised that of all your decisions, neither of you picked the GSP, Tiago-Alice fight? Again, it didn't make mine. It didn't make mine. I will say it's not,

I get if you, if you were doing like the top three GSP title fights, it probably doesn't make that list. But I remember as we were watching, as we were watching the watch party, we were just marveling again at how good GSP was. What a strong like GSP performance that was. It wasn't really a back and forth fight. Tiago Alves was not in this one. Could not stop the takedowns and just got GSP for five rounds. It was deeply uncompetitive. Yeah, but it was like as we were rewatching. Maybe it was watching with you guys. Maybe that made it more enjoyable. Maybe if I was watching it by myself, I don't know, I wouldn't have had that same sort of of like, oh, wow, oh, wow, look at that, like, revelation, sort of live action revelation thing.

But yeah, I don't know. I do think it's a memorable fight, though, for some of the reasons we said on the watch party show, hit him with your groin. How good Tiago Alibus was regarded at the time? And sort of us seeing GSP becoming that, like, realize, oh, yes, this is that dude. Like, he is that dominant champion. He can fight any style, and there was many more tough challenges to come. So I feel like it's an important fight, but I'm fine.

I'm fine with it not making it. Like I said, it didn't make my list. So I went with four finishes. I mean, just by saying that, I wonder, Jed, if you can guess what those fights are. It's not hard. I didn't pick, like, deep cuts here. Like, these are pretty obvious, I think. I mean, I would have to just assume Dan Henderson, Michael Bisping.

Correct. Which almost made my list, but then I just felt it fit better into a future category. Yeah, same. There were a lot of performances that I would have included, but I saved them for other categories. Other categories. Lesnar Meir. Yep. I'm going to guess Nunes Tate.

Correct. And then what would we round? I guess King Velasquez? Yeah. And I went with Kane. I don't hate doing it that way either. Yeah. Now, if you look at all of the things you just names,

those are the four fights that had the most lasting impact on the business and sport of MMA as a whole. Yes. So if you're going that route, those are four no-brainers. Yeah. that's how I was thinking. It's just like, man, these left such an indelible impact. I think it's the right word, Jose, on my memory.

Brock, again, Brock, Frank Muir, gosh, that's the rematch, just capture such a moment in time for the UFC, how hot they were during that essence. This was, I think, peak MMA is the fastest growing sport in the world, right? And you saw something like that. You're like, wow, then you saw the pay-for-view numbers later. You saw the hype around it. So that was awesome.

Had to put Lesnar and Mir too on there. Henderson-Bisping, I get it. the most enjoyable fun not the most enjoyable fight to rewatch it's it's the most enjoyable fight for i mean it's a it's a curiosity because the whole time you're watching this even as people watching live there was this whole there was a lot of like what is bisping doing exactly like we know what henderson wants to do and the whole time you're watching that fight for last what eight minutes circling right into it like this is strange like is it a trick is he like tricking him is he like so it is interesting to watch him that way it's certainly not like a back and

Fourth War and then we all know the ending, which again, well, I think we're all going to talk about more, so that's fine. I will save waxing poetic on the ending, but boy, one of the most, depending who you are and who you're a fan of one of the most satisfying finishes in the history of combat sports. Nunes and Tate's an interesting one. I put it on the list because I remember at the time, and I was one of them, I didn't know how good Amanda Nunes was. And if you look at the wins she had before Tate, people didn't realize how good those

were. Like there's, Valentina was right before. So she beats Valentina. And we knew Valentina was good. We didn't realize maybe we didn't know Valentina was also like a future goat. Jermaine Durandami, again, a name we respected. But I think we're all kind of like, oh, whatever. She's just a kickboxer.

She's come over to Emma. She's not going to be successful. And then she later won the featherweight title and fights for the Bandaway titles. So that aged really well. Even Julia Bud. Julia Bud was before the UFC. And we realized that was a pretty big win. So she had these huge wins.

She also had these weird losses. And she was a pretty sizable underdog, Tamisha. So it's looking for. But looking back on now, you're like, wow, Amanda just ran through her. And we know now Amanda's just like leagues above Misha Tate and Hollyholm and all the other band-in-weights. But we just didn't know that at the time. So for me, it was fascinating to rewatch that.

And then she got the Ronda fight a year later and not a year later, but whatever, whenever her first title of defense was and not rocketed into stardom, but would certainly put on this other level of respect to vote. That was like six months later. Six months later. It was Ronda who hadn't fought in a year. And then, yeah, Kane, Velasquez, and Travis Brown. This was kind of bittersweet because, man, this is the last time he won a fight.

After this was Francis, and then injuries just ravaged him. He was ravaged with injuries before this. This was his first fight in a year. But, man, when Kane was on, you're like, there's no one at heavyweight. I still think the prime cane is the best heavyweight ever. I just think he beats, you put him against Prime Fedor, I'm taking Kane. You put him against, well, I was going to say Prime and God, I guess we kind of saw that. but I just don't feel like we got the best version of Kane.

I still think Kane, the one that got wiped out by Francis. I don't know. Just the injuries had already taken their toll. And yeah, this was just a moment in time, man, where we still thought he won this fight, and I still thought, oh, yeah, all those injuries, if he gets those behind him, he still climbed back to the top. I didn't realize it was the end. So I love going back and rewatching this one, and I like to do me this time.

And I think it's an important fight for people to watch because so much has happened in his life professionally and personally that moments like this are really lost the time. I want to circle back to the Nunes Tate one just because I vividly remember everything about the buildup to this fight. Because she had just lost like two years before to Kat Zangano. And so coming into this fight, Tate had finally gotten there, right? She beat Holly Holme, finally became the champion despite all of her, you know, issues with Ronda Rousey. She didn't have to fight Rhonda to get it. She beat Holly Holme was justified champion.

And I just remember having this fight so pegged in my head. It was like, I got this. Look, Amanda Nino is pretty good. But we saw against Katzangano, she basically got gassed out and got the soul beat out of her as the fight wore on against Valentina Shepchenko came out hot. And then just got wapped on in that third round. She just doesn't have the gas tank. Misha Tate's super tough. She's going to go.

She's going to punch herself out on Mish Tate's Noggin. And then she's going to get choked out. later and who boy was I wrong about that and then like you said little did we know where this would go for her and you know establishing herself is probably the goat uh women's mixed martial artists of all time but uh i remember that being just a jarring upset for me because i was super super not prepared for that our next category ladies and gentlemen it is the i'm not impressed by your performance award. What's the downer?

What's the downer of these two fights? You got one, and AK, I'd like to start us off because there's a clear answer here. I've chosen not to impart that clear answer here. Because I figured y'all would do it, and I'm going to slide it in a little bit later as well.

And if you don't, I'll throw it in as an honorable mention. This AK is where I put the GSP Tiago Elvis fight. Oh. Because this fight was not fun to rewatch. It just was deeply unenjoyable. It was just jabs and takedowns, jabs and knee taps all day long.

Incredibly impressive work from GSP. We all had higher hopes that Tiago Alves would be able to be a little more competitive than it ended up being. And this, it's just what, this was like watching the Monash Firo, Aaron Blanchfield fight a week ago, whereas the same thing happened. Like, it was super impressive by Manaw. but the exact same thing happened in the first minute and then just kept playing out for 25 because the losing fighter had no answers.

And so I slotted this one here because I don't want to spend 25 minutes you're watching that fight again. Regardless of how impressive it is from GSP. Oh, I can't, I can't agree with that. Because again, I'm, I mean, I've long been a GSP defender. It was, it wasn't this fight, it was definitely a long,

but following this that people start going like, oh my gosh, all just he does take people down blah blah and it wasn't wrong i mean there's i look at most of his tell defenses at those takedowns or what saved him from trouble what won him uh scorecards it's not it's not a wrong thing to say that yes this started it because after this immediately is dan hardy where that of them was just the narrative i can't even finish dan hardy who's not good yeah uh but i i i love like this was for me it's such a good one-sided performance like i know you want to see something more competitive

and you're right, it is a little deja vu by the time you get to round four. But again, for me, it's the ability to keep, like to stick with that game plan, to have, you know, have that show off that fight IQ, to show off that range of techniques that he has and to just, like, that invincibility. For me, that's always been fascinating to watch. But I certainly wouldn't tell everyone like, oh, this is a fight you could watch like 10 times and never get tired of it. No, you can probably watch it a couple of times and you're good.

Yeah, when we did the GSP episode of this show, I remember us having the conversation of, man, kind of a tough career to go back and rewatch. Because a lot of these fights are not, this man's not Robbie Lawler out there. No. Like tough, tough scenes. Race the runners. Raise the sails. Raise the sales.

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Jose, who do you have from? I'm not impressed by your performance? Well, I think the worst fight, and when I use worst, I mean, the most boring fight that probably had the biggest backlash is not my pick, is D.C. Anderson Silva, because the crowd openly booed that fight. They booed one man specifically, unjustly,

and that's Daniel Cormier. but I'm sure we'll talk about that fight down the road. I think I am not impressed with the entire fight of Brock Lesnar and Mark Hunt. Yeah, see that's right answer. I mean, we also, now, to be fair, I will say, like, in my mind when I was replaying this in my head, I was like, Brock Leson just took him down and controlled him a bunch, which did happen a lot of the fight. But then when we rewatched in the wash party, I'm like, there was more standup than I remember.

But, hey, this fight was kind of not put together the last minute in terms of like weeks or days, but they announced us at USC 199 and famously. And Mark Hunt had just come off like his big victory. I believe it was over a big foot at 193 in Australia. I don't remember if he fought in between there. And Mark Hunt was still the guy that would just melt you when he touched you. And Brock Lezner famously gets touched a lot. And I remember watching the fight on the replay because it's we all have covered fights.

It's very hard to watch and pay attention to fights live while you're backstage working. It's nearly impossible. So I really, during the watch part, it was the first time I really sat down and rewatched it. And I was, I marveled at every feints that Mark Hunt would throw, Brock Lesnar would have an enormous reaction. Like he would just twitch and Mark and Brock Lesinger would like freak out. I'm like, Mark, just punch him once. And then Brock Lesnar just did the thing that he normally does, which is put his head straight down and then just run. match you really fast.

Just the actual Bull Rutch. To his credit, what do you do with that? Like, if I was that big, that is all I would do. I'm not saying that's a bad game plan because it clearly worked. And then he just dominated Mark Hunt on the ground that as an NCAA national champion should do against a K1 Grand Prix kickbox there. It just wasn't the most exciting to the point where I remember. So at UFC 200, have you guys ever, have either of you covered an event at the T-Mobile Arena ever? No.

So this is the first event ever. at UFC tournaments. I do remember that. The first UFC event ever. And they hadn't built the media tent yet or anything. So the media room was the visiting teams locker room, because obviously it's an NHL arena that was incredibly cramped. But there was also so much media that they had to open an adjacent room across the hall

for spillover. So that's where my station was, but all the media was in the other room. And the room that I had to sit and actually work in was a lot of photography. photographer assistants. So like if you're taking photographs, Cade side, you can run to the back, swap out your SD card, and then your assistant will do the uploading for Getty or USADA or whoever. And none of those people are MMA photographers. They're just photographers that will cover whatever you pay them to. They're hired guns. And the woman next to me literally just turned to me. I think it was halfway through the second round. It was like, this fight kind of sucks, huh? I go, you're not wrong.

And if an untrained eye can see that this fight is garbage, then this fight is garbage. And then obviously the fallout was Brock Lesnar quote unquote won, but that win is not on his record because he popped for everything after the fight. And it causes a big old lawsuit that we're still feeling the effects up to this day. So yeah, I am not impressed with the Mark Lesnar, Mark Hunt, Brock Lesnar fight. That's the right answer. A.K., did you go for that one as well? Yeah, of course. And I'm glad that Jose has already kind of spoken on it because we, this fight cast a pall on our damn episode for Mark Hans. I mean, a great episode, amazingly fun episode, maybe the most fun episode we've ever done. But the existence of this fight and the aftermath, it just casts such a shadow after everything. So I won't, I won't relitigate all that stuff. If anyone wants to hear us talk about that horrible, like that fight and everything that happened after for like an hour. go listen to our Mark Hunt damn

but yeah the fight itself completely you know forgettable frustrating for the reason that Jose mentioned you just like on paper that's kind of the only

thing that made this fight palatable was the thought of like gosh if Mark Hunt lands one good shot on this guy he could beat him he could just least lead one good shot that's the story of Mark Hunt's life

he is the one shot guy I mean he's a great actually I shouldn't say he's a great kickboxer but he is a one shot guy at his best moments and this is the guy who if he hit that hits that one shot he's getting to look at him and it just didn't happen and then

yeah everything that happened after oh man what what a what a tough mark on uh on mr hans legacy because uh we're still talking about to this day i think there's still you know whatever happened with the lawsuit thing they're still trying to uh what's the word you're a law man uh jed when they you know they've lost but then they keep trying to oh he's attempting appeals i don't even think he's attempting appeals i think that they've just surrendered defeat to this one, which is unfortunate. Yeah, to everything you said. And if he had got him, then he would have gotten him.

Because like Jose pointed out, Lezzer doesn't want to get hit. Lezzer knows what he's about, and he's not about doing that part of the game. And the other thing that I didn't remember until I went back and rewatched it, Jose, just be interesting to hear this from you as you just did the watch party on this. I don't remember how bad 200 felt. real time watching it because it was just like this fun spectacle and we made fun of the cage etc but then when you go from the cornea Anderson where the crowd is booing and it's super weird then just an odd thing into the downer of lesnar hunt did did that come through in the watch

party because when i was rewatching this i was like man 200's way less fun than i remember it being it was interesting because for the dc anderson one a lot of the conversation we had was just about the stuff leading into that. And the fight itself, it is what it is. And we were all excited for, you know, the third round kick that everyone could see as to talk about. And then the Brock Lesnar Mark Hunt won.

We just kind of laughed. Just like the absurdity of it. So there were, of the main card, they're the two, and I, like, least enjoyable watch. But there's more conversation

around those two fights. than any other fight on any car on this entire maybe even ufc 100 um outside of you know brock frank mears pretty massive in hindsight uh for what it did to the mma business as a whole but those brock lesnar mark hunt and d c anderson have more stories going in and out than any other fight two fights on both cards i think that is really true uh i mean yeah there's just aren't many fights with in general with more yeah backstory and and front story than those two have. Our next category, the

Who the fuck is that guy award? We've switched this up. This is usually for, we're doing this about fighters, for the strangest opponent for a fighter to have. Who's the weirdest dude to be involved in either of these cards? This is the Cody Brundage Award, basically. When we look back in 10 years of 300,

we're all going to be like, it's pretty odd that Cody Brundage. is on UFC 300. Who do we feel that way the most with with regards to USC 100 and 200. A.K., let's start with you. It's actually a lot of good choices. I mean, there's so many weird. The UFC 100's got a few names.

The thing with UFC 100 and 200 is even if there's a weird fight, there is at least they have a memorable moment of their career at the time. I'll let an A.K. answer first, but I think there's two very obvious answers. I guess I went with like Jake O'Brien. No way, dude. Just a weird. Irish Jake O'Brien? Come on. I'm saying it's a weird.

He's, you know, he fought, he's fought John Jones. This is why I love Jake O'Brien, though, because he fought at heavyweight against And Darlosky, and I think debuting Kane Velasquez, who was like, 2 and 0 and then he's like forget this i'm too small cuts to light heavyway and gets fed to a young john jones he's like this sucks and then i that the uc cut him immediately like that's why i love jake o'briott it's a tough run for him i love him but what a career like again that is a classic guy marked by just who who has beat he fought g he fought with saucy he bought me saucy a few years later like sure it did what a strange and i i honestly i have no recollection that i'm i had to look at

his record to remember that he beat heath hearing and that's a nice win that's a nice win to have in your resume had to look at his record uh did not recall that fight at all so his career losses are gonna talk man it's and and drearovsky canton belasquez john jones and keegard musasi yeah i'd fucking quit too if there's the dudes i have to fight i don't want to do this anymore man and his uh and it's weird like outside of that though his opponents are wikipedia lists uh i imagine mostly journeymen. I haven't done a deep dive to his non-John Jones.

Are you on a day? Hess? Come on, bro. The name sounds so familiar. Oh, Heathrow. I'm sorry. I forgot. I keep forgetting.

That's a good way. Outside of that, it's like, so like, Christopadoos and anyway, it's just the gap between his highest profile fights and his average fight. It's so enormous.

Jake O'Brien is the male Felicia Spencer. Sure. Oh, sure. Oh, that's a good call. Except Felicia's, oh, I was thinking of Felicia,

uh, Felicia Spencer. That's actually not a terrible example. No, she beat Megan Anderson, who's probably on the same level as, uh, who did you just say,

Heath Herring and then got fed to Cyborg and Amanda Nunes. Sure. Jacob Ryan also fought, um, Tony Ferguson, so. Good God. I love this.

This is why he deserves to be on this card. Wait, what? He fought, what? He fought a man named Anthony Ferguson. Oh, so it's Tony Ferguson.

He also fought a guy. He also fought a guy, called Jay White. Yeah. I'm not even making that up. No, it's a WC, baby. Yeah. This is a character.

He might need his own show at some point. But yeah, that was my name I plucked off. But again, on the prelims of both cards, there's a lot of directors. Jake O'Brien's kind of a terrible choice for this, but also actually is a great choice. It speaks to how this category normally goes, where you just pick a weird dude and talk about his weird career. And so Jacob Ryan has quietly a very good choice. Jose, who do you got?

I think for UFC 100, it's the Shannon, what, Googerty, whatever his name is, versus Matt Grice at the time. Because at the time, like a lot of these fights, like Lawler, CB, like T.J. Grant wasn't the original opponent for Dong and Kim, Jim. Like, these guys are at least, you know, winning. But both of these men, Matt Grice and Shannon Gugherty, like, were coming off losses and then were added to UFC 100. So, and at least in the hindsight, like I think Matt Grice, we got to do. as a damn episode for just I think very underappreciated fights because way up there is Matt Greis Dennis Bermudez

from UFC 157. That's one of the best three round fights you'll ever see. So at least Matt Grice has that for him. Jay and Gugherty, Guggerty, I apologize so I'm mispronouncing your name. Doesn't have that. You know, he's lost to, I think, Spencer Fisher, Gwita,

Terry Adams. So like, he might have been one and four in the UFC. And this might been his only win at UFC 100. And then for UFC 200, it's obviously Enrique Maren who fought Sage Northcutt because both of these guys were coming off losses. And Enrique

had, I think, a really deep arm bar or something like that in that fight. And I was like, I remember saying, like, wow, St. He was close to winning. Yeah, I was like, wow, Enrique Maren is, or Miquet Marine is about to be a victor at UFC 200 over the Golden Boy.

And then he just didn't. And then Sage North Dakota just beat the soul out of him for the next two rounds. So that's probably mine. But I get they wanted, we just did the preview, we just did the preview show for USC Vegas 90. And when we did the, the questions from the crowd, one of them was about PFL and AK Casey and Mike argued. And I just kind of sat back and drank my coffee while they argued about like you feed a guy, a can just to make them look like a star and that's very clearly what the u s u.c was trying to do with sage northcutt but ericke didn't get that memo and made it a competitive fight he's also i think the only fighter on

either card not to have a wikipedia page so that is absolutely true so that is my answer i get why he was there but in hindsight because sage north cut left the uc not soon after so didn't even do anything for them yeah uh ericke merrin is is my answer though i also shouted out matt grice who is like you said He was one in two in the UFC at the time. They were like, what if you and Shannon Googarty just open up UFC 100? Why not do that? And if I remember correctly, I think that Matt Greis got cut after this fight and then went on to win like four or five fights in like a regional scene and then got resigned

and absolutely melted by Ricardo Lamas. That is an absolutely correct rendition of events there. The mind never fails him. You know what's funny, Sage himself is going to look like a weird choice. That's what I was also trying to say too. Like 10 years. We're not quite there. I think we're still of the mostly people remember the Super Sage kind of hype era.

10 years from now, 10 years from now, people would be like, what was the big deal with this kid? Like how did this guy get on UFC 200 at this age and what happened to him after? Why didn't it pan out? And it's like, yeah, it's quite a story. Like you really had to be there to remember him and Paige Van Zand, sort of coming up around the same time. The Page Sage era. The page stage era like, oh, UFC is investing in these young, good-looking fighters.

And if both of these fighters hit, those are two superstars from the next generation. Page got famous, state, super-famous. Sage, obviously, his fame fell off a little bit. And then all the stuff happened after. Married a Disney kid, though. Sure did. There you go.

I'm sure they're doing quite a life. Yeah, I know. Sage. A.K. has nothing to complain about it. If I had, I'm not giving this to you, Jose, because you probably just know it. A.K. Could you fathom a guess at what Sage Northcutt's professional MMA record is right now?

Oh, well, that's cheating because I was just looking at it. Oh, you're all. But I'm not looking at it right now. Don't tell me. So you go first and then I'll go see if I can remember. I'm counting because I'm going to my short-term memories. I know for a fact he was 5-0 when he made his UFC debut. I'm just counting his wins and losses.

So who was his debut was against Trevino? and then Cody Fister were 2 and O and then I get the Mickey Gall Brian Barberina mixed up a lot but those are still two losses

and I know Enrique Maren was in between them and then I don't remember I know he beat Zach Otto and I know he fought on oh I don't remember the two

I know Zach Otto was his last fight and then he lost to Cosmo Alessandre and then he just won so what 12 and 4 12 and 3? 12 and 3 is correct. Boom. I could have never pulled that out.

In my head, he, I just would have assumed, because like, he's been in one for a while. I just would have thought he had more than two fights in one, but he just didn't fight for four years in one. Because one's some sort of a promotion.

I don't know. Plus, like getting your face broken. That's a tough one. He broke every bone in his skull. and then got COVID. And married a Disney star. So, you know, I'd be doing other things, too, if I had that kind of, if I had that Disney money rolling in, you wouldn't catch me in a one cage.

That's your damn sure. Okay. Our next category, the easiest category of the night for me. The Randolphex Award is for a highlight. Yeah, one highlight. A lot of highlights to talk about here, boys and girls. There's only one correct answer for the best highlight. This is Dan Henderson knocking out Michael Bisping,

which is one of the best highlights in all of them in May. this category was briefly named the Dan Henderson H-Bomb Award and I said this I said this on the watch party I think there's a really good chance that this is this fight I have watched the most

of it's probably behind Connor Habib because I've watched that fight maybe 50 times but just front to back the full thing I've watched Hindo Bisping so many times because it's just so funny to me and it's I never get

tired of watching this fight. Even on the watch party, it was still great. You know it's coming and it lands every time. And the follow-up forearm shiver, it's just the best. So a clear runaway winner for this category. But AK, do you have anything else in the Randolphex Award? I don't see how it can be anything but the H-bomb. I mean, that's the H-bomb to end all H-bombes.

It culminated, again, a feud that began on the ultimate fight. We don't talk about this enough that they were opposing coaches an ultimate fighter. I don't believe it. Bispings, Bispings, way to stay on branding. Villany, his villainy was at, his cartoonish villainy was at its peak. Henderson was

the clear baby face in this scenario, and for 10 episodes, however long that season was, all people wanted was to see Dan Henderson punch this man in the face as hard as possible. And it wasn't like we were guaranteed it was going to happen, because there

was a thought like, ooh, Bisping, like, you know, he's got good defense. He's got that kind of evasive style. We might not get that satisfactory ending. But bless him, he played perfectly to the script. And as we said, eventually circled right into that power hand. And I just, I don't know if anyone has, has enjoyed punching someone more than Dan Hemsend enjoyed punching Michael Bisping in that exact moment. Because it was, it wasn't just, again, it wasn't just that that one moment. It was all, Months and months of taping and fight hype and Dan Henderson just wanting to shut this guy up and people wanting to see Michael Bisping get shut up.

As you said, one of the best highlights ever. And, of course, the forearms shiver after it was just, I don't approve of that sort of thing, but it kind of helps the highlight, doesn't it? It's so good that Dan Henderson adopted it as his logo, which Michael Bisping hated forever and which still to this day is deeply funny to me. Like, yeah, I'm going to live in this moment forever, a.k. to your point, I think the only person who's ever enjoyed hitting someone as much. I won't ever say more because I'm not sure there's ever been more joy in a human than Dan Henderson got from that. Shades of Jorge Mosphidal and the super necessary punches on Ben Ascrate after the knee. Because also another moment that was turned into a low-go.

I mean, I mean, I'm pretty sure Rampage loved punching Vanderland. after their third fight to the part where the referee was like, stop it. That's true. He's dead. I mean, at least on that one, you understand, though. He had some demons exercise. You know what's weird about, I rewatch that. It's weird.

A couple of years ago, I rewatch that to go on a tangent. I rewatch that season of tough. Because my girlfriend at the time owned a vegan restaurant in Arizona. And the winner of that show, James Wilkes, started and produced the documentary game changers, which is about class-based athletes. And then for like a month, a literal month,

people would just come into her restaurant being like, I'd just watch this documentary and it changed my life. And now I'm vegan. And I was like, and then I watched it because Julia was like, we got to watch it. So then I watched it. I'm like,

is that James Wilkes? Like what a crossover this is right now? And so I made her watch the ultimate fighter where he won. World's colliding. My rules have collided a lot with veganism and MMA, but James Wilkes coming out of nowhere because, like, didn't he retire because of like neck injuries or something?

So it was like such a blast from the past. Oh, man, it was, so that's a good sound. It just goes to show what AK is always saying. The ultimate fighter changes lives. That's true. It's important for just for the world, really. Jose, do you have anything else to shout out you? you guys were going to say that.

I have two honorable mentions from USC 200. One of them is Kane Velasquez throwing the first and only spinning roundhouse kick. He has ever thrown ever. According to Daniel Kornbred, he goes, Kane has never thrown that kick ever, even in practice. And he whips it out of UFC 200. And that was kind of the beginning of the end of the Travis Brown in that fight because he clipped him. Travis goes down and then Kane Velasquez begins to, you know,

make him eat his own heart. and then the other one is, I remember vividly, was Joe Lozahn just putting Deigo Sanchez through a wood chipper, stopping mid-punch, looking at the right, and being like, hey, man, he's out, and then goes back to punching him. Because Diego Sanchez at the time, like, a lot of stuff has come out about Diego lately. He's still a legend. He's still the man. He's still a guy that one.

If you put a bunch of the greatest MMA fighters in the world in a room, and Diego Sanchez walks through it. A lot of people get out of his way because they respect what he did early in his career. And Diego Sanchez is known for having an iron chin and like, quote, unquote, having that dog in him. Not going down. It was a standing T, it was like a standing knockout.

And Joe Lozahn just stopping and going, what are we doing here, man? And then just blast him in the face is etched into my brain. That was my first runner up in this one. because, one, it's great because the ref is, like, behind Lozahn's right shoulder. Lozon stops mid-punch and looks over his left shoulder and just keeps turning his head to find him. You're like, dude, stop making me kill this man. And then goes back to punching him, and he doesn't, like, take it lightly on punching him out of that.

He's still throwing himself off his own feet to just hit the shit out of Diego Sanchez. He literally turned and, like, tried to run away. away and then joe lozzo was like nope bam and this is just i it's just an i have so much respect for him being like i don't want to hurt this dude please stop ref but if you don't i'm going to hurt this dude and i'm not going to stop even a minute of it it's an incredible highlight and then i also just wanted to shout out tom law or cb dollaway uh because there are very few times uh in the history of m a where the stat line reads one significant strike, one submission attempt, no other statistics. Quick guillotine. And that's just, here's a knack,

we're done here. So those are my Randallplexes. Also, also, what a missed opportunity for Rogan to do, oh, he got like, oh, it's in, it's in tight. He's got, like, this was actually one moment where he was actually very calm. Like, I think he even said it first, like, oh, no, no, CV's okay. Like, CV's, all right. And then Tom Luller adjusted. But like, of all the times that he could have done, it's over, he's got him, or it's in. tight, whatever it is that Rogan says, this would have been it, and he would have been right. And he wasn't, he totally just missed it.

But if he had said it, then it wouldn't have happened. Oh, I wouldn't have had. You're right. You got to, it's like you can't, you know, I don't know if you're much of a golfer. You can't speak to your golf ball when you've putt it before it's in the hole because it will never go in if you say, oh, what a great put. It just won't drop. It's the same with Rogan and the submission calls.

And quick shout, it's not a particularly memorable finish, but quick shout out to Gagard because he like, whoop. Like, it wasn't close. Like, he destroyed Chargo Santos. Just annihilated him. And it's crazy. It's crazy to think. Tiago was like went on.

And I guess you could say Tiago got better, but this was pretty much, I guess you could say he got better. Charo fall for a title after this. So yeah, yeah. So you could say he got better. But also, it just shows you the level that Gaygard was at in his, like he just dispatched him. It was not close.

A guy who, again, would eventually go on to fight John Jones and nearly beat John Jones for the UFC lightweight title. With no knees. Yeah. Gagard crushed him. Just crushed him. I'm glad you brought that fight up because I forgot that fight happened until I did the rewatch. And I fired up to YouTube.

It was like, oh, I don't remember these two gentlemen ever fighting. I'm very confident what's about to happen. But I memory hold it. So I was like, oh, this is. So it was like a little treat. It was as if I had never watched the first flight before, went back. That brings us to our next category. The Baby Nuts Award.

shout out to Kimbo Slice. Rest in peace. It's for the best quote from either of the events, you know, by during about runaway winner for me here. This was also the runaway winner for me when we did the Brock Lesnar episode of Damn, they were good. It's a bit elongated. We're going to give you the whole thing. Frank Mere had a horse shoe up his ass. I told him that a year ago. I pulled that some bitch out. I beat him over the head with it. I'm going to go home to night, I'm going to sit down with my friends and family. Hell, I might even get on top of my wife. Just, absolutely.

That is the correct answer. It was still to this day, maybe the best post-fight speech of all time. I know people love the various things Connor's done, and I apologize to absolutely nobody and Habib himself had some amazing ones, but just an absolutely unbelievable effort from Brock Lesnar, particularly if you're a guy like me, who knew that Brock Lesnar was in the WWE because that had been told, but I never watched pro wrestling growing up.

I had no relationship to him in that way. And he was relatively quiet for his, like, MMA stuff. Like, he was not much of the same wrestling persona. He was always very much excited. This one was really like, oh, oh, that's pro wrestling. That's incredible. ball as he is just dancing over the grave of Frank Mir that he buried him in.

The runaway winner for me in this category, Jose, it appears that you agree, AK, are you also on board? Yeah, of course. I don't see how you can go with any other quote. It is, again, it is combat sports in a nutshell. It is the beauty, the ugliness, however people want to look at this post-by speech. It had it all. And I don't know.

I don't know if we'll ever have a chance to have. this topped. The circumstances and the stars were never quite aligned as they did for Mr. Brock Lesnar on this night. I did enjoy, this is just to mention it because again, it's nothing's going to match up to that. Tom Lawler, after he choked out CB, had a very, kind of

a quirky, funny promo. Talk about he was going to, he's going to go up to heavyweight to fight Lesnar Amir, then dropped to 170 to fight GSP or Tiago. This is a UFC 100. And then he said, and then he said he's going to go to the WEC. Unfortunately, his jokes, this was like, they were the second fight of the night. So this was, this

Jokes were done in front of like 40 people, but it would have killed if it had if the crowd had been, if it had actually been a proper crowd there. So shout us Tom Lawler, great character. I'm glad he was part of one of these events and is forever immortalized as being on one of their century events because he deserves it. He's a great character. My honorable mention would be Dan Henderson saying that last punch was to shut him up just a little bit.

Because he went on this whole thing. He's like, you know, normally I know that a guy is out and I don't punch him. But that last one was to shut him up. And then I remember there was a lot of controversy coming out of that for punching a downed opponent. Oh, yeah. It was so dumb. And then for years and years, Michael Bisping just hated him.

But if you go to MMAfighting.com and watch the interview with Michael Bisbing, with our own Damon Martin, that was brought up to the fact, like, with 300, they're going to obviously play highlights from UFC 100 and 200. And Michael Bisbin was like, I don't care. Passed it. Doesn't bother me anymore. Support for this show comes from Chase. If you're a fan of women's sports, you're always looking for ways to get closer to the action.

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Visit darktrace.com forward slash defenders for more information. I mean, he did get the last laugh, I imagine. Yes, he did. At least to, you know, he's a champion. Once you get to championship level, that's the right way to approach it, you know. Correct. Just like, yeah, we're good. We're good here.

I also did want to shout out just, Daniel Cormier's entire speech. interview comments after the John Jones thing happened and he's up there and that was the moment that DC really got over for me entirely as like oh this dude rocks I support this dude ton just because the way he handled that situation and like the clear sadness in his life people would be like ah he's so lucky John Jones got forced out uh you could just tell that he was actually like just legitimately saddened by the fact he did not get to fight john jones at ufc 200 and and that that was a genuine desire of his uh always stuck out with me so shout out to that next category is fatal sweater of absolute victory it's for a piece of memorabilia um

i'm i'm interested to see where you all go i went uh i wanted to talk about um one fight in particular that we have mentioned before, I took Misha Tate's will to live because Amanda Nunes just beat the will to compete out of that woman. And if you haven't rewatched it, I encourage you go back and rewatch it. Misha Tate is a woman who's taken a beating many times in her career, and she just didn't want to take one anymore.

It took three minutes for Miaman has to beat a retirement into Misha Tate. I know that Misha Tate ended up going on. on to compete, but I think we could all acknowledge that her fighting Rocky Pennington after this fight was, she was already mentally checked out. It's because Amanda Nunes beat that checkout into her and since she's come back and good for her. But this is where I want to talk about the main event. I know we've already talked about it so we don't have to go back into it. But that's my piece of memorabilia. AK, what about you?

You know, I'm always going weird. You know, I'm always going weird. Did you go P-Kage? The golden cage that looked like P? Oh, you know, I was surprised we haven't talked about it. I like the yellow cage. I agree, though. Yes, I understand we're all, we're all children here. We all laugh and a thing that looks vaguely like the side of PeeP. And sure enough, that math.

I kind of feel like the USC300 flag. The U.S. The 100 flag poster, whatever color motif they've chosen also looks vaguely. They're going to bring out the golden cage again instead of doing like purple or something cool. And it's just, it's just going to hurt my soul. I don't hate it, but the, I don't know. I don't hate it. No, I want the dog bone from Tom Lawler's entrance.

Shout out Tom Lawler again. Yes, he, he, he brought out Seth Petruzzelli on a leash. I assume this was a, you know, CB Dollar Way, the Seth Petruzelley. The Seth Petruzelli. Of course, CB Dollar is known as the Doberman. So this is sort of like, I'm a dog. Correct. I'm a dog handler man.

I'm going to dog walk you. Yes. And I don't want the collar. that thing that's a little too weird. Give me the bone. Give me the bone that Seth Petra Zedelli was chewing on. Was it like one of those plastic chew toys? Was it like a snack?

I don't know. I don't know a lot of what dogs in general. So I think that'd be a fun conversation starter, I think, to have in the middle of a living room to explain to people why I have it. Jose, what do you got? I want, and this is very weird because they stopped it. Let me set the scene. Obviously, the main event will talk about at some point.

The original main event, that was going to be John Jones and Dan. Daniel Corrie. Now, you all know that I'm a very big King of the Hill fan to the point where I have Bobby Hill tattooed on my arm. Do you guys remember, because I sure as hell do, that Mike Judge himself created a commercial for UFC 200. And it had King Hill sitting on a porch talking to someone who is then, it's not Beavis or butthead. I can't remember which one it was, but it's one of those two characters. responding to Hank Hill, and Hank Hill is like, boy, I can't wait for UFC 200. And then they start talking about fighters. I want that as an NFT for the rest of my life, because it is the only NFT worth owning, because Hank Hill and the UFC never crossover. And when they did, they had to trash it because it was hyping up a main event that didn't happen. So yes, Mike Judge,

doing Hank Hill promoting USC 200 is a real thing that happens. I know it happened because I saw it and being like, oh my God, everything is collapsing into the universe right now. That two of my favorite things in MMA and Hank Hill are together finally. So that is what I want.

And I think NFTs are stupid, a waste of time, and a scam. But if I'm going to own one of those things, it sure as hell is going to be Hank Hill talking about Daniel Corbier. That's for damn sure. All of Jose's worlds just colliding.

Yes. This is fantastic. To the point where it's not on YouTube anymore. Like I'll have to find it. I will find it somehow. Yeah, I just don't recall that at all. And then it makes sense they would have pulled it once, you know, once fight week came around.

Which brings us to the T.J. Grant Alternate Universe Award. If you could change one outcome from either UFC, 100 to 200. This, ladies and gentlemen, was very easy. This is where I chose to put Mark Hunt, Brock Lesner. The outcome would either be, Brock Lesnar doesn't pop, but since that seems unrealistic, it would just be cool if Mark had jawed him and gotten the thing done. Any outcome that saves Mark Hunt from this horrible thing that happened to end his career,

because we talked about a lot on the damn episode for Mark Hunt. If you haven't, go back and listen to that. This basically ruins Mark Hunt's entire career in a way that this loss shouldn't have, but because he took it to hearten in the manner that he did, he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and the back end of his career pursuing a fight. He could not win and just sort of tanking a lot of people's estimation incorrectly. Like it's not fair that that happened, but fair has no place here. And so any alternate universe were just,

what happened with those two didn't happen? I'm here for, and that's what I would be changing here, a.K., you're nodding your head in stoic agreement. Yeah, again, we talked about this a lot on the Mark Hunt Dam. It's just such a regrettable thing. I'm a little disappointed you didn't just name T.J. Grant himself. We finally had, this is the only chance we're going to get to mention T.J. Grant. What have you had beaten Don Keun Kim?

I guess there's really no repercussions to it. T.J. took the fight on short notice. It's not really his weight class, and he went he went in the run of lightweight after. But again, it's just nice. I'm still waiting. One day he's going to come back and fight for that lightweight title. He's owed a shot. He's owed his shot.

He's got it. I'd love to see just TJ fight again anywhere. Just to get a proper farewell because, man, that was a tough, just tough, such a sad, tough way for his. One of the weirdest things that happened. So I'll talk about this now because when you guys are talking about Edgar and Aldo, I love both guys, but I am a very known. Edgar stand.

I don't believe it. Okay, probably my favorite fighter ever. And I've really- A real shame, we're never going to do a damn on him. How dare you? I'll do it by myself. Who's Lord? Cold blood.

I really want him to beat Aldo. I obviously, I just thought like, because I didn't think he'd get another shot again. Of course, he did eventually later, but that's just, you know, his longevity and him being a name. But I just thought, like, if he doesn't beat although this time, they've given him so many opportunities, it's not going to happen. And unlike you guys, I was very confident that he was not.

I mean, well, you guys knew what you saw. You guys knew in your heart that Aldo was winning but thought the scorecards would be screwy. I guess because I was reading for Edgar, it was tense for me in another way because I just, every round, I just kept thinking he's not doing enough. Like, he's doing fine, but I'd seen him lose fights like this before. I got seen him lose something like that one of Henderson. The exact fight. The exact same way to choose out there before.

Yeah. And I just thought like, he's not getting this. Like, he's not getting this. He just can't do enough. Like he's getting shots in here and there. He can't do enough. So I think when I saw like 4847, there's one 4847 card. I was like surprised.

So I was tense in a different way and I was sad. And I want to live in a world, guys, where Edgar has a win over Jose. Even if they then do a trilogy battle and then Josie just watches them again, it would just, I want to know that he could have beaten them once. Because I just get the sense that they fought a hundred times. Edgar maybe wins one out of 99. I wish it was closer than that. But all those are the better fighters.

He's one of the greats. I don't want to live in that. world because if I had to live in a world where Edgar beat both BJ and Josay I don't like I just wouldn't my heart wouldn't be able to handle it this man's just defeating all my favorite fighters of all time what's he going to be Fador now too are we doing uh Jose what do we got I have two uh for very different reasons I think your another obvious one is John doesn't pop and we get John Jones DC because you can just see you can hear is this is right when DC was still I think at this era of his career, this is the best DC we'd ever seen in terms of skill.

This is his quote-unquote prime, even though we technically never saw DC's prime because he started so late, MMA so late into his athletic career after his Olympic tenure. Because you can get, they were supposed to fight UFC 197. Obviously, DC got hurt, and then John Jones ended up fighting Ovin, St. Peru. And that's the worst John we've really ever seen. like the Dom Reyes and the Tiago Santos and Anthony Smith like he those were still like John was getting touched a lot and it was at least an exciting fight

John Ovin St. Prue was not an exciting fight whatsoever and Daniel Cormier was on the broadcast and you can just feel him being like ah I would have killed this guy if we had fought and I truly think that if that John Jones at UFC 200 fought the Daniel Cormier at UFC 200 it would have been incredibly competitive. I don't know if I would have picked D.C.

because I think John is the most talented fighter that we've ever seen. But that's an obvious one because then when they fought, they eventually did fight, it was like a year or so year change later, maybe 14 months later. DC had to fight other people at the time. So it was just a bummer that that's where, that we were kind of robbed of truly the two best fighters on planet Earth being able to fight at a time when it would have been most competitive.

and then the other one has nothing to do with a fight outcome. But when we were watching the, we were doing the watch party and then they showed the main event and then they cut to the corner or the post-fight interviews because Misha had a post got her post-fight interview, oddly enough, even though she got absolutely melted. It was such a bummer seeing Robert Follis there. Like, I was like, God, believe, man.

think about that. It was like such a heart-wrenching image. Because for those that aren't aware, Robert Follis made the decision to take his own life. And he was such a good human being and such a great guy and such a great coach. And I just wish he was still here, man. I wish that dude was still alive. And he didn't feel the need to do that. But can't erase history.

But I just wish Robert Follas are still around because I forgot too that he was in Misha's corner. And when I saw him, I was like, golly. Sometimes, you know, this is a great feeling. fight, but in hindsight, yeah, in hindsight, some of these fights didn't play out the way we thought they were, but in hindsight, that was one of the last few times we got to see Robert Fawless, and that's just such a bummer to think about. Good shout, yeah, good shout. Good shout.

Which brings us to, we're almost done because we've truncated, cut a few categories out, the one I'm the most excited about. Redub this to Roadhouse casting because I've posited it to both of you. You can take one of these fight cards. Amazon comes at you is like, here's $85 million, which is allegedly the budget that Roadhouse, the film, received. I googled that. And, hey, here's $85 million. We would like you to make a film about either UFC 100, use to 200, whichever one you want.

Give us your casting decisions. And we're going to make this happen. I feel great about my choices. And so I'm going to lead us off here because I've chosen 200. and I've chosen specifically the storyline that we've kind of talked a lot about but haven't gone all the way into which is the original main event is supposed to be Daniel Cormier John Jones a fight that obviously is befitting UFC 200 and then on Fight Week John Jones pops for something I don't know what band substance gets gets pulled out and then

unlike a day and a half's notice they just kind of slingshot Anderson Silva in to fight Daniel Cormeier. One of the weirdest situations we've ever seen. All of it was just this enormous fight week stuff. Just in our internal at MMA fighting, it was like, I can't believe this is happening. Here are the reactions. How we're dealing with it. And so casting for this is easy. I didn't, cast old 200 card. I cast the major players for this storyline. Dana White's Michael Chickles, we've already been here before. It was very easy. They're two angry bald men is perfect. for Daniel Cormier, going Brian Tyree Henry.

Just a terrific actor can have enough of the body type. For John Jones, Yaya Abdul Matine. If you don't know who he is, look him up. But I think I noticed this when I watched the most recent Aquaman

like four months ago. I was like, oh, that man just has to be John Jones and now I have an opportunity to place him there. Anderson Silva, when we did the Anderson Silva episode, we settled on William Nassiminto because William Nassimito is playing Anderson Silva in a movie about Anderson Silva's life. It's on Amazon.

And then, A.K., shout out to you and me, buddy, because if you guys don't know, on this very pod network or on our YouTube channel, you can see there's a show called This Is Cinema, where we talk about Fight movies and MMA movies. And so I've determined that after watching the masterpiece that was Fight Valley, Misha Tate is allowed to play herself in this one. quality actress go watch fight valley it's on youtube she's allowed to play herself amanda nunes was the last piece of the puzzle to put together um but again this isn't going to be a big part of the film the story's more on john jones dc but they're going to slot in and so perhaps a controversial choice but uh i just she's just great actress and i'd like to see her do this uh come on down michel rodriguez you're going to be our amanda menez for this and uh i'll just wait to collect my Oscars for the year 2026.

As they do now have a casting director Oscar, and I got to say, I feel like I'm doing great on it. So, AK, thoughts, notes, your own choices. Love it. Love a lot of the picks. I was also inspired by our work that we've done so far on This is Cinema. Guys, check that out on YouTube and the NBA Fighting Podcast Network. I went a different direction with some of these casting choices, though, Chad.

When you brought up Fight Valley, I was delighted. You know what? I'll get to that in all. So I would be telling a more broad UFC 200 story, not focusing on one thing. We're talking on, you know, it's an ensemble piece. Everyone's getting their time. It's like a Robert Altman, you know. I'm thinking courtroom thriller.

Sure. Oh, that's good. The day before John Jones pops and the sort of, we're talking about like a margin call-esque scene here around this, taught tense, culminating in the big presser and then the reveal of Anderson Silva. It's going to be electric. Okay. My story is probably a little more sprawling. maybe more of an inspired by than a retelling of the events of USC 200.

Like Roadhouse and Roadhouse. Got it. Well, you're going to give things away if you keep mentioning Roadhouse and Fight Valley. So for Nunes, I also went outside of Brazil. If you're going to go a Brazilian actress

who's well known to American fans, you could have gone with Alice Braga. She's done so many American films. Blockbuster America. Too obvious. Too obvious. So I also went non-Brazilian. Sorry for the Brazilian fans out there.

Recent Academy Award nominee, America Ferreira, I think would be a great in a man in Nunez. So I'm looking to expand her range a little bit. I think she could do it. I did not go with Misha's Misha. I picked another actress from Fight Valley, Jed. Oh, my goodness.

Her friend and teammate? No. I ficked. Oh, no, you did it. Listen, this woman has only done one movie, that movie being Fight Valley. But I feel like she showed enough chops. Susie Selleck, wherever you are.

She's the worst part of that film. Susie Selleck, you deserve another shot. at fame if you are out there uh we've got a budget of 85 million dollars you name your price uh we will get you she's more than four dollars we're not hiring you she has done she has done scenes with misha she knows misha better than she knows herself susy selleck if you are out there you are my misha tate uh frocklessner good old alan richson just dig up allan richard she got a big hoss dude in there uh mark hine we talked about this on the mark i'll nixon's a great great call yeah i like uh john toie john too i mentioned him he's a

He's a former Power Ranger. He's done a lot of acting, voice actor as well, talented guy from New Zealand. Tongan, not Simone Tongan, but so, sorry, again, not quite a match for match. Cormier, I went outside of Type here. I'm just going Star Power. This is probably where most of our money is going. Michael B. Jordan. This is the role of a lifetime.

Hey, we're not going, no, no CG, no prosthetics. I want him to put on the weight. We're getting Michael B. Jordan to put on the weight. I don't know if Michael B. Jordan can put on that way. We are going, Michael, we know he can fight. He's done three Creed movies. I know he's got the martial arts chops. I want to see him commit to this role.

I'm getting this man in Oscar. People love, the Oscars love that shit. So I'm getting him an Oscar. Are you just going to go full Creed three and go with Jonathan Majors too? No, Anton Silva as himself, because the man has not aged in like 15 years. So Andrew Silvitz is playing himself. I think he'd do it. Great, great.

No one can do the spider like the spider. And I'm not doing a Dana White. I have a commissioner character, Jed. So again, this is not a, a strict retelling. The commissioner will be played by a recent movie star and Amazon siney, Connor McGregor, in his second big role in an Amazon film, playing the commission, play it however he wants. Again, he's not playing Dana White.

He's playing some commissioner. You guys can draw your own conclusions as to like his, he'll be acting kind of wacky and erratic. Anyway. So is he being Jeff Mullen or is this just? I don't know. Nameless, in-sac commissioner. I mean, when Dana White was the president or commissioner,

before he became the president and CEO, whatever he was, he was just commissioner. Wasn't he commissioner once in a fun of time? Anyway, the boss, the boss either way. Conno McGarries and there's a boss character, maybe just a few funny scenes with him. And then, crazy, though, in a weird twist, actually, Jed. There's an Easter egg in my movie.

We actually find out that Elwood Dalton versus Jacks Harris happened at this card in UC200. Oh. So this is, yeah, so this is actually. roadhouse prequel. My movie is actually a roadhouse prequel. Okay, that ties it in a way. Although, then this is a world where the commissioner,

the nameless commissioner, is Knox? I mean, you have to kind of, he's essentially playing, he's two characters, he's two different characters in the universe. It's a little confusing. I agree. It's a little confusing, but I do want to tie it into the roadhouse. I do like the tying it into the roadhouse cinematic universe.

That's an inspired choice. Questionable on your decision, let Susie Selik ever be put in front of a camera again. Jose, thoughts. So I'm bad with people that look like each other comparisons. So I just do silly goose things because you guys have an MMA movie podcast. So okay. AK did silly goose things too.

No, I'm talking about like proper silly goose things. Like I would make a movie about Yoshihiro Akiyama and I would just have Dong young Yoshihiro Akiyama. because they're both on physical 100. They're both superstars. They both lost. They both lost in the same round, so they can, you know. Spoiler.

Sorry about it. I didn't know they were both on physical 100. They're on opposite seasons. Fun, Doni Ann Kinn was actually the number one, like, vote, like, when they have to rank you, like, one to 100. Dong Kong king was number one in his season because when he walked out, everyone was like, oh, John Kemp. So it was Yoshihara Akiyama, to be fair.

And then I would just do like silly things like Tom Aspinall would just play Frank Mayor because Tom Aspinall is just a young Frank Mir. Oh my God. That's so good. That's so good. And classic British actor, British actor just probably nailing the role of the American. I don't know how they do it. I don't know how they do.

They always have it. That's so I can't believe I've never thought of that. It's so good. And then just because it's his nickname, what's his face? Christian Bell would just play Stefan Bonner. because you already played the American Psycho once. You already play the American Psycho once. So why not have him play the American Psycho?

Yeah, exactly. And then I would just do like, I would just do like some sort of like Pokemon movie where like T. J. Dillishaw like evolved into Brock Lesnar because you could make that argument that they are just the same person. Who's the middle? Who's the middle of, who's the Machop? Dennis Severe. Dennis Seaver. Oh, okay.

Dennis Seaver. DJ evolves into Dennis Seaver who evolves into Brock Leather It's all about a stex I'm not talking about skills Oh yeah obviously I'm trying to

And then like Deniziever maybe works And then like Henry Sehudo evolves into like Nazarach Hackparat Who evolves into Calamagasolam Stuff like that Or like Max Hollow

evolves into Tyson Pedro Who evolves into Mark Hunt Who's at USC 200 So stuff like that Just silly good stuff I'm a huge fan Of the Pokemon evolutions Yeah

We got to start talking about that. There's an idea. Marlon Marius evolves into Eddie Alvarez, who would probably evolve into like Junior Dos Santos. It's really good stuff. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that's fantastic. Which brings us to a final category, boys and girls,

before we close up shop. This is look at me now. It's the Leon Edwards Award for the best single moment of all of this. And I already talked about this moment, so we won't go back into it, but it is the main event at UFC 100. Yeah. It is Brock Lesnar afterwards doing the whole thing.

A.K., you put this as this was, how did you say it? This was the peak of MMA is the fastest growing sport in the world. This is arguably just the peak of MMA is this generation of MMA and sort of the transition from fastest growing sport into legitimate mainstream commodity, future billion dollar a year business and everything it came. So pretty easy call for me here. If I could only have one moment from these two events, it would certainly be this one. Yeah, the only other ways to go are Amanda.

But she kind of had a moment when she beat Rhonda. It really is the Ronda fight. We were kind of like, oh, crap, she is the one now. She's the one. So that you couldn't really pick that here. What was I going to say? I had another thought. Dan Henderson, but really it's, it's different.

It's really the moment is more important than what it's, that fight did. for his career. You know what I mean? It's not like, I don't know if we would say that's his best win, right? We're not saying like that's Dan Henderson's peak. That's not like Apex Dan Henderson necessarily.

Best one's probably fatal. Yeah. Just as like the most like, oh, wow, that puts you in sort of a different stratosphere. The only other one I might really consider is just Anderson for the Cajones. Like, oh crap, this guy's a frigging legend.

Like who's going to do? Who else would even consider doing this? Almost one. Just saying kicked him in the body. And third round. If he had. Yeah. He had.

He was a coward for, not standing with the best striker ever on short notice. How rude. But it's Brock. It's Brock. But Anderson would be a fun answer as well. Can you guys, I thought one of you would say, I wish Anderson had finished Daniel Cormier because it's not the thing that I would have wanted the most.

But if it had happened, it would have just been unbelievable. The fallout from that would have been absolutely outrageous. Oh, so Daniel Cormier is the best slightly heavy way in the world now. what's going on? I don't understand. It would have been electric. Jose, give us your final answer.

I mean, Brock versus Frank Muir is the answer. Because that like, yeah. Like AK said, I don't know how many people would be MMA fans if that fight doesn't happen.

How many people would be UFC fans if that fight never happened? So in terms of things that, you know, sent ripples through time, that's really the only one. one um the best i mean that fight in general is probably yeah that's the answer out of this there's a lot of great moments in this but that is the moment uc one main event of uc 100 it could

have been 200 if we had the original main event we didn't uh but of all the fights on this card that is without question the most marquee fight that deserved to headline u s100 We're done talking about UFC 100, UFC 200, because it's about to be UFC 300. By the time this comes out, like six days, uh, we will finally have,

for my money, the greatest card ever assembled on paper. Whether it'll be like that in real life, only time we'll tell, but there's just, it is present. Because like UFC 160, in hindsight is the greatest.

But presently now, yeah, probably 300. Yeah. Uh, yeah, It's correct way to frame that. I've gone back and look, there are a couple of like total elimination 03, I think. A couple of the like Pride Grand Prix stuff

was also just obscene. But I mean, this is very few peers. And I'm excited we took this trip down memory lane voice. Thanks for joining me. And everybody, let's have some fun. We're about to have a damn good fight card. And it's been damn fun to be with y'all. Love you.

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