MMA Fighting - Diaz vs. Masvidal Post-Fight Show: That Was Actually Pretty Damn Fun?? | Diaz vs. Masvidal Results

Episode Date: July 7, 2024

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see the gentleman here. I got Eric Jackman to my left, Mike Heck to my right. Got Jose Young's on the ones and twos and y'all. We just watched Nate Deez and Jorge Mazvedol have a pretty damn fun fight. That was actually pretty not, that was like not that bad, if I'm being honest. That was much better than expectations. Nate Diaz ends up winning this quote unquote rematch if you want to call it majority decision. We can get into the score. We can get into all of it and we're going to. But I just want to start off right off the bat. And I'll start with Eric because my You just talked for like three hours on the watch party. So let's give your voice a break just for a second.

Eric, that was pretty fun, right? Like that was not a bad time. No, that was a fun boxing match with a lot of action. And it was close. And we got to see the kind of what we expect in the best of Jorge Mosvidal. And we got to see what we expect in the best of Nate Diaz in flashes. I dug it, man. I really dug it.

I'm glad I watched it. I really enjoyed it. And I think anybody who tuned in and actually paid the pay-per-view cost, got their money's worth. I mean, I can't speak for what happened up until that point the rest of the night because that wasn't very good at all. But the main event delivered, man. That was fun.

That was a lot of fun. That's the best way to describe it. I mean, Mike, towards the end there, they flashed up the punch stats on the screen. And you never know what these kind of, things, especially with a fight like this, like how accurate those are. But I haven't written down here. 740 for Mr. Nate Diaz and 658 or 654 for Mr. Jorge Meswell. I'm not very good at math, but that is a combined, I believe, 1,394 punches thrown. That's a lot of punching in one night,

Mike. Did you have a good time? Did you have a better time than you expected? I think slightly, but here's something New York Rick said that I saw on our Slack channel that maybe Jose and I didn't get like the full like the full theater of was like Chris Avila versus Anthony Pettis how as we were watching it without hearing the commentary in the crowd like just very faintly all of it like thought it was a very fun fight and I actually thought Diaz Mazadal was like that fight on steroids and then on like another layer of some sort of performance enhancing drug where it's just two dudes in there no real aesthetic beauty to buy. boxing whatsoever, just throwing punches as hard as they could over and over again.

And I thought it was such a fascinating fight because Nate Diaz just did Nate Diaz things the entire time. Jorge Mazadol started the fight out in round one, like he was trying to prove to the world that, hey man, I've been in Vegas working on my boxing. Look at how good my boxing is. And then Nate just kind of Nate Diaz him all around the ring in that first round. And then it's, I don't know who, what his team might have said to Mazadol, but then he started finding a middle ground between I'm the bare knuckle brawler. I'm the guy you love. Plus I'm the self-paw boxer. And he's found like a common ground for both things, just finding a happy medium. And the rounds he won, those, that's what exactly what he was doing. He had some of column A and some of column B. But if he had just column A and just column B, that's when Nate started ripping him to the body. That's a, Nate started to overwhelm him. That's what Mazdaal couldn't touch him. And there were certain rounds. The clearest rounds won throughout that fight were from Nate Diaz. And he was able to kind of get Mazadol like off that center line when it came to being Fighter A and Fighter B and trying to find

the middle ground between boxer and game bread. And it was just such a fascinating fight from a viewership standpoint and just kind of seeing the evolution of Mazadol as a boxer because the things that made him so successful as an MA fighter didn't typically involve boxing all that much. It was kicks and punches and just mixing them all together and doing a whole bunch of different things using the kicks to set up as punches as opposed to straight boxing. So it was a fascinating watch all around and it was super fun. And you mentioned she'd 1,300 punches. Holy crap, man.

It was like Max Holloway fighting Max Holloway. It was insane. I had a great time. I really did. I think there's a couple of things. to write it seems like a confluence of events because one this seems like a much better much more maybe motivated version of nate d's than we saw against jake paul maybe it was the level of competition probably a part of that but also it did feel like he tried harder in this which i think is appreciated

also i will admit i was surprised and impressed with how well uh acclimated out there that horrid mass would all felt it seemed like he he looked like he had been working on his boxing he looks like an actual boxer somewhat out there in stretches. I enjoyed it quite a bit. And another aspect that I think was really fun, just the live viewing experience of all of this was watching sort of the scoring in real time because scorecards were all over the board.

I think you had Mike Brown out there in ATT, obviously he is a little biased. But I think he was calling it 8 to 2 in Mazved all's favor. You had Sean Porter on the broadcast, I think also calling it in Mazved all's favor. You had a lot of people sway in toward Nate D as it seemed like the pro-California, pro-stocked and crowd was very much.

in the Diaz corner. Ultimately, Eric, where did you end up? Because Nate Diaz wins this majority of decision. I had Nate, six to four in terms of the rounds. What about you? I got to be honest. I don't know. I kind of, there was a point.

There was a point maybe round seven where I was just like, this is too close to call. If I put any mental energy into this, we're going to get a boxing scorecard where it's 98, 92. and it's not going to be reflective of any of the thought that I've put into this. And I'm not going to waste the mental energy. And it turns out that's what happened. So I'm derelict of duty at this point.

I had it close, right? Like to the point where I stopped scoring it, it was probably like Jorge by a round. But that's where I just checked out. I was like, damn, I'm going to really watch this and watch the punches and enjoy it. But it definitely, I'll say this, whatever my score was to that point, it was not as wide as the decision, right?

It would have been much closer to 95-95 than 97-93 or 98-92. The most somebody won by was a round or two at that point. Well, then let me follow up on this because we're both old-school guys. We were both around in the good old days. Going pride style even, just pride scoring. When you left that fight, who did you feel like won it? Probably Mazurl. I think, um, okay.

Okay. Look, pride scoring is based on damage, right? It is based on who's been more damaging in the fight. Jorge Mazvedal was landing the better shots. No doubt about it. He landed a few really, really nasty shots that rocked Nate's chin. Now, you know, legendary chin. It wasn't like I put him down or anything and Nate ate him pretty well.

But on damage, like it was Jorge Mazvidal. The volume, the end of the fight, where Nate is starting to turn up the volume and turn up the heat and turn up the energy, and Jorge is starting to throw less and less of those damaging shots is where you can start to see the story of the fight coming true, right? You can start to see that Nate Diaz is still there, and that's always a problem for his opponents. But start to finish the person who did more damage was Jorge Mosvado.

That's fair. That's fair. Mike, I think I heard you on the post show. You lean Diaz, right? Yeah, I scored it the same way you did, 6'4 for Nate. Never, until the end of the fight, I had no point had any fighter up two rounds at all. I had Nate winning round one, Mazadol winning two and three. And then from there, they flip-flopped rounds. And it was four, four, for me heading into nine, I scored nine for Nate and I scored

10 for Nate. I thought the ninth round, as good as Nate was in that first round, I thought Nate's ninth round was the best round of the fight for either fighter. it was clear, it was dominant. And even when Mazadol had his moments, they were very, very few and far between. And even Nate was landing with a little bit of chaos and a little bit of damage in round nine.

And you can tell, I even said at the watch party, like Mazadol had a look of almost a smirk on his face. But that was the only, that was the only time a fighter went back to his corner frustrated at any point in that fight, to me, at least just playing armchair psychologist, was Mazdaal going back into the corner after round nine.

after just hitting this man a million times and it doing nothing to him he just keeps coming forward and at one point he landed like a 27 punch combination like this it just doesn't make sense any of this but yeah until nine and 10 that was the only time i had a fighter up two rounds at any point in the fight that's how good it was that's how close it was and i'm surprised we actually had a majority decision i thought we're going to splitty city or we're definitely going to have a draw of some kind So yeah, the fact that two judges actually agreed on one fighter winning that fight was pretty wild today. Eric, Nate Diaz is 39 years old. This man is really legitimately about to turn 40 years old.

I cannot imagine what it must be like to be in that ring and hit that man with every single thing that you have in your body. To hit him with what you feel like is 20 of your best punches. And he just kind of laughs at you and keeps coming forward. Like that must be the most frustrating, demoralizing thing. How is this man still doing this at this age? I have no idea. Yeah, he's, he is truly a marvel. And, you know, when we think about Nate Diaz, like,

there's a lot of fighters who the wins and losses matter for, right? There's a lot of fighters that you look at the resume and you go, okay, he was this good because he won this many fights and he had this many championships. But you don't measure Nate Diaz by that, right? You measure Nate Diaz by how many dogs. fights he's been in, how many times he's delivered, his demeanor heading into fight weeks, his ability to kind of tell everybody to piss off in the most impolite ways. He's truly like a unique one of one and somebody were lucky to have had around the fight game. But yeah, like he's up there in

years. He's up there in miles and he still seems to be as durable as ever. He's, he's, I can't say it any differently than he's just one of one. He's a completely unique fighter who I don't think will see quite again. And then to match that with the pace that he's able to put on people, you know, you alluded to it at the start of the show talking about how different he looked from the Jake Paul fight. The Jake Paul fight just didn't really look like Nate Diaz. It didn't look like a Nate Diaz fight. It was just kind of slow. It was just kind of lethargic. He really wasn't throwing that much and Jake just kind of did what he wanted. This was a Nate Diaz fight. And he said as much in the lead up to the fight.

He said he was lazy and unmotivated and getting off the reservation because he didn't have to cut weight. And he was just actually gaining weight and getting fat, getting up to 185. And for this, he looked dialed in. And the cardio and the results showed it. And it was fun. And when Nidias fights, I'm watching. And it's a fun fight. Mike, you like a good call out.

when it comes to post-fight interviews, you're my main source that I go to for judging whether it succeeded or it failed. You're somewhat of an expert in this category. Nate Diaz comes out here, wins his first fight in quite a while, at least since the UFC exit it, correct, against Tony Ferguson,

goes on the mic, calls out Jake Paul, which I did not expect, but it's right there for you. And that says, I want to go back to the UFC, I want to be a champion. Leon Edwards, you suck.

You can come get it. How do you grade this post-fight call-out? Does it make you interested in what Nate Diaz, the seeds that are being planted here for Nate? I mean, if it's not Joachian Buckley, calling out Connor McGregor, so automatically this is a better call-out than now was. But look, this is Nate.

This is Nate Diaz. From the very first press conference they did for this fight in Las Vegas before UFC 300, Nate Diaz was asked like who he wants to fight. Leon Edwards was the first name that came to his mind. but it wasn't any disrespectful. This is the one where it's just like, F you, Leah, like, oh, you're dead or whatever.

And he's meant that to Leon, Jake Paul, and anybody else who would even care to think about fighting Nate Diaz. But he's wanted to fight Leon, and he's put Leon over as, like, one of the best fighters in the world, is one of a guy at the top of the game, a guy who, you know, he thinks other fighters should emulate. Like, Nate has done, has put Leon over.

Anytime he's asked about fighters who are killing the game, right now. He thinks of Leon first, which is pretty wild, considering how people have viewed Leon Edwards over the years, even since being the champion. And especially since that fight with Colby Covington, it's, that's just how Nate has treated Leon. So Leon's always been at the forefront for Nate. So I don't think it's really that surprising. Nate could literally call out me, you, New York, Grick, and Jose in a four-on-one matchup. And everyone would be like, yeah, that's cool. Because you're Nate Diaz. You call it anybody. You can call it freaking God. Godzilla and Kingcom.

And people be like, yeah, love that idea. Let's go. So I don't think rules apply for a guy like Nate Diaz. Because he'd go to the press conference and call it four different guys. And we'll just be like, yeah, okay. Sounds right. I mean, if that's getting thrown out here, I might be in. I kind of want Eric to be our manager to negotiate that salary.

He seems like he's got good manager vibes to be able to get us the bag in that. Yeah. You can count on me. I'm ready. Eric, does this, so like, I don't know, this whole, this whole lead up to this, right? It was bad. Like, we don't need to, we don't need to sugarcoat any of this. Like, this whole thing was weird.

They did seemingly 400 press conferences for this. Nate Diaz was interested in none of them, but like this entire week, neither of these dudes felt like they were remotely invested in this. And yet, here we go. We get to Saturday night. It's a sold-out arena. Casey's in the building. He says it feels like a big championship fight.

That man's been to a lot of fights, so I believe his opinion. You look at the website. I was expecting very little, just behind the scenes for us. This thing did crazy numbers tonight for us. This did like UFC pay-per-view level numbers for us, just in terms of interest that we were seeing, people drive into the website, people interested in finding out what's happening.

Are you surprised? Like, are you legitimately surprised? This feels like a success, and I did not expect myself to say that on a night like this. I'm not surprised because they picked the right date, right? When the UFC is not on and you have the names Nate Diaz and Jorge Masvedal, there's at least an expectation or a hope that like somebody will check it out. Now, how much how much actual revenue, how much profit is this going to generate for them?

And by them, sorry, I mean the promoters, not necessarily Nate and Jorge because I, assume that Nate and Jorge are going to be rewarded very handsomely for this effort. Otherwise, I can't imagine why Nate Dia subjected himself to six, seven different press conferences because that just doesn't seem like him unless he's getting a massive bag. So I'm sure Nate and Jorge will make a lot of money on this. Will FanMeo, will Nate's promotion, will Jorge's promotion make a massive amount of money on this? Probably not. I'm going to assume not because they did put a lot of effort into this.

They did do a lot of promotion, even though it seemed like it was kind of falling flat. But what I'm not surprised by is the general interest. I'm not surprised at the idea that ultimately fight fans did go, I'll check it out. There's no UFC. I'm going to check it out. That part does not surprise me. How they checked it out, right? Are they actually watching on the fan of pay-per-view?

Are they watching on UFC Fight Pass? Are they watching on DeZone is something to think about? but the fact that enough people were watching this that it felt like it was the talk of the combat sports world, at least for the night, does not surprise me. When the UFC is away, the mice will play. And this is something that other people trying to do events should take advantage of it and be cognizant of because it works. And we should note this fight was originally going to be on the day of UFC 302, which would have been Dustin Porier, Islam Makachiev. and I do not think we get this level of interest and this level of numbers if it is on that same day.

So certainly good call by them to postpone it. For $80, we're going to get this fight. Yeah, great call. Great call postponing it. Great call changing things up. Mike, I want to ask the same question to you because I feel like all of us, this felt like a disaster coming into this week.

And by the end of the week, basically, by like the time I woke up today on Saturday morning, I expected this to be a disaster. And then it turns out it's not at all a disaster. And it's actually a really fun fight with a sold out crowd and a ton of attention on, a ton of eyeballs on it. Are you surprised? Are you surprised at all that this is sort of the end product for the very, very lackluster buildup that we were getting?

No. Like the arena numbers didn't really surprise me. I looked maybe on, I think it was after the press conference where I was just like, what are we doing here? But I looked at the ticket sales and there were only like a few hundred. hundred tickets left and I was like, oh, crap, like this thing's really selling. And Mazadol is obviously a popular fighter, but Nate Diaz is an absolute rock star. He is a superstar.

Everybody knows who Nate Diaz is, no matter where that man's goes, a crowd of people will pay lots of money to watch him do literally anything. And this is just another example of that. I figured the website would do pretty well tonight because I don't think a lot of people we're going to spend $50 on this card. And I think ultimately at the end of the day, if you did not pay the $50, you did not watch this, I think there's going to be a part of you that will be somewhat left out,

somewhat disappointed because that fight really was as fun as we are saying. This is not hyperbole. We're not just making things up. This is a pretty fun fight. And I think you should go back and watch it, however you can. If it gets on Fight Pass in like a month and you can watch for free, then wait till then. But you should definitely watch this one.

Paperview-wise, this thing is going to do. do do like real bad. $50 is ridiculous. If they did this for $24.99, I think it would have done really well. It's always a problem when the man who is promoting the card, Mr. Fanmeo himself, is asked at the open workout, hey, Mr. Fanmeo, what is the thing you're looking most forward to when it comes to this fight? And his response was, not by the paper, you're not, this is going to be an all-out drag-a-old. out of fair, not, hey, if you miss this fight, it'll be the biggest mistake of your life.

His answer was, the thing I'm looking forward to the most is the fight being over so I can go to Hawaii on vacation with my family. How many pay-per-views did that friggin line sell? You dope. And you can put it on as many different networks as you want. And that alone was just like, what, like, what are we doing here? So pay-per-view revenue-wise, this thing is going to. suck like real bad someone asked on the watch party in the comments i didn't get to pull it up which

numbers will be higher this pay-per-view or ufc 301 i'm actually leaning ufc 301 on this one i think ufc 301 is going to beat this on pay-review i mean i think ufc 301's absolutely going to beat it just because i think the baseline for a ufc pay-per-view even the worst possible product they put out is just higher than any else anyone else can possibly put up but i will I will note just, you know, we threw out a couple polls on the watch party. One of them in particular was how many of you guys paid for this? Like who paid, who here amongst these thousands of people paid for Diaz, Masvidol? It didn't look good for them.

I think it was 82%. No. It was like 13% maybe got to yes. It's important to note that anybody who voted on that poll, we tracked your IP address and you'll be hearing from the authority. So, you know, just note that. And maybe be careful next time. This was the Achilles Junior Revenge. Eric Long pointed out.

This was the long time. We finally got you. It's over. It's you. It's you. Yeah, no, I don't know, gentlemen. I mean, obviously we can continue to talk more about this. I don't think we need to talk about the undercard.

There wasn't a lot going on there. I know, Mike, you said you and Jose enjoyed it. I think you guys were having fun within each other. All of us were watching it alone. We did not have another. to bounce off of and it was not that great of a time so we're going to leave a lot of the undercard stuff alone we'll get to viewer questions here in a second but one thing i do want to ask if you guys are the managers now of nate d and horace at all what or just an advisor just someone

close to them giving them advice on their career tonight feels like success even if the pay-per-view numbers are not that great both these dudes got the bag we know how we know that they've got a lot have money for this fight. The numbers, the real numbers aren't out there publicly, but they got a ton of money for this fight. What are you telling your guy to do next? Which guy? Who am I representing in this case? Eric, you'll be an idea as representative then in this situation. Connor McGregor. Connor McGregor is the fight. I will be calling out Connor McGregor and going after Connor McGregor and saying Connor McGregor's name infinite times until I fight Connor McGregor. Conner McGregor. Can't argue with that. That feels right, right?

Like keep calling for the sphere, something, slip in place of Michael Chandler, like whatever it is, that feels like that's the next step, right? Connor McGregor has made it extremely clear that he does not want to fight Michael Chandler anymore. He has moved on. He does not care about fighting Michael Chandler anymore.

Dustin Porrier is somebody who's taking shots at. He bet on Nate, I don't know the legitimacy of this, but he had these claims on social media that he bet $500,000. on Nate Diaz. He's talking about Nate Diaz. He's talking about anybody but Michael Chandler.

If I'm Nate Diaz, I take that as a really positive sign that I could slide right in there and knock Michael Chandler out of that spot and create a fight that I think everybody would be much more interested in.

So yeah, Connor McGregor, I'm saying Connor McGregor's name until there's nothing left to say. Somewhere out there in Georgia. Jed Mishu is asleep and a smile just crept upon his dreaming face and he does not understand why but we all get it. We all know why. Mike.

Oh, thank you, Jose. There you go. Mike, you're the representative of Jorge Mazvedol. You just lost this fight. What are you telling him to do now? All right. So the correct answer is you get this trilogy if I would date Diaz. But then you get FanMeo out of the equation.

Like take them out. You have drummed up enough interest here. And at least the combat sports community, most specifically the MA community, understands that this is a fun watch and they would watch it again. Now, bogging it down with five other main card fights and a bunch of boxing matches that the MA community cares nothing about, yeah, you probably want to avoid that. You probably want to do some broadcast swaps as well. But you have the blueprint of what you need to do and what type of card you can build behind it. What I'm going to answer based on what New York Rick just said is your answer is Michael Chandler. And you want to know why?

Because if I live in a world where Dana White gets on a cell phone and starts yelling out fight announcements, and he announces that Connor McGregor is fighting Nate Diaz and Michael Chandler is challenging Islam Makachev for the lightweight title over Arm and Sirukian, I'm going to throw my computer out the window at 150 miles an hour. I'm going to lose my mind. So if you want to generate some interest, Michael Chandler doesn't want to fight for the belt, wants to get a money fight with someone who's popular,

who's rotting a wave of positivity right now. And let's be honest, a fight. Michael Chandler has a good chance of winning. Yeah, Jorge Madel, go, go fight Michael Chandler. Like, go fight him. Don't fight Wonderboy again. Go fight Michael Chandler. Just do that, do a favor to all of us.

because again, if Michael Chandler fights for the lightweight title next, I'm going to lose my mind. I'm going to blow a gasket. There has to be some sort of merit in this sport. And I know it's wild and crazy, and normally I don't say that. But in this case, this is ridiculous. This would be the most ridiculous title shot of all time. So, hey, do this for all of us.

Okay? Call out Michael Chandler. If Connor's going to go fight Nate, I don't blame him. He should do that. Someone's got to keep Michael Chandler busy. And it ain't going to be Islam Makach for the last. love of God. So that's where I'm going to say. Eric, I see you shaking your head. What's up? Well, I was shaking my head at the point where Mike said there's got to be some kind of like

legitimacy and, you know, order to the sport. And I just don't think that that's true. There, there doesn't have to be. You want to do this light heavyweight and heavyweight? Go ahead. But not in the best of it. Not in the Cadillac division. Come on. You want to do that in the Volkswagen of light heavyweight. Go right ahead. But do not. Do not. But do not. But do not in the best of it. And you Do not do this in the Cadillac in the Cadillac escalade of MMA. Don't do it. Please don't. Yeah, that Chandler title shot's coming, baby.

See you at the top. We're going to get kicked off YouTube if that happens. I'm so deeply excited for the reaction show in about three weeks for Islam Machachathev versus Michael Chandler. That's going to be so fun. It's going to be so fun. You have to be on that. Even if you're off, I need you on that show.

Can I ask you guys a question? question about this, about this, this rivalry, Diaz deza Mazvro. Coming into this, I very firmly held the belief that I care so much less about them boxing than potentially doing MMA that my interest was lower than it could have been otherwise. Coming out of the back end of this, the fact that we're not dealing with potential cuts and grappling and get 10 rounds. kind of worked in the favor of this fight to the point that I'm not wanting them to do MMA, which is kind of interesting

because I don't think I would have ended up there. I didn't expect coming in to end up there. The third fight being boxing is probably the one I want, which again, I don't think I would have expected coming in. I'm curious if you guys agree with that. I think I'm right there with you. Isn't that wild? Isn't that kind of crazy?

I think it's a matter of expectations, right? Because, like, we saw the Nate Diaz boxing thing against Jake Paul, and it was super uninspiring. It didn't make you, it didn't leave you wanting to see more of the Nate Diaz boxing thing. And then we haven't seen Jorge Mazvedal box, but we have seen so many MMA fighters transition to boxing. And it just generally look bad, not fun, sluggish, just like out of their element type of thing.

Like, I think it would have been a, it's a natural reaction to, see what this was going to be and just kind of be like, oh, man, this is, this is not the way that this should have been, like, booked at all. But I don't know, coming out of it, it is. It's a matter of expectations. I am now firmly on that training. I don't think these dudes that you're going to fight again, but if they, if they did, I would want the 10 round boxing epic that we just got, right? Because it was very fun. Every round felt like it's swaying the opposite direction. It was a Dia's round, and then the next round was a Mazved all round. The next round, the next round, like there was a story being told there. And maybe it wasn't the most technical fight. Maybe it

wasn't the best boxing match. But just as far as the fight, like I actually really enjoyed that. They were not the best boxers on the card, but that was the best boxing match on the card. Like, that's no doubt. Like, there are better boxers who fought in this card, but like it was by far the best boxing that we saw,

which is awesome and unexpected and really enjoyable. Yep. I also think boxing evens the playing field up just right. because I think in an MMA fight, I think Mazdaal wins eight out of ten times just because of the kicks. And he's very tough to take down. His grappling is super underrated.

I think he just kind of kicks Nate in the face a whole bunch. Like it kicks him in the body. Like he beat the hell out of Nate at 244. Like it was just a perfect stylistic matchup for him from an MMA sense. Now boxing, when you take the kicks out of the deal, Mazadol could still win. 50, like could win five out of 10, like very possible, but he could win more. I don't know.

I just feel like it evens the playing field a little bit closer for Nate. Not saying Nate could never beat Mazadol that he just had no chance of winning that fight, but I feel like MMA I would confidently pick Mazadol while in boxing. Like I felt Mazadol was probably the pick. But from a betting perspective, like you're giving me Nate Diaz a plus 210. Like that would be an easy bet to take Nate at those kinds of odds. you know what I mean? I think even more than the kicks,

because certainly I think you're right. Like there's the variety of texts that Jorge does is way different than Nate. Nate just uses his hands. Let's, you know, that's just what it is. And Nate's not going to stop a take down if Jorge wanted to. If Jorge wanted to take him down, he would take him down. But more than anything, I think it's the number of rounds.

Like, if you give Nate Diaz 10 rounds, he's going to do better than if you give him five rounds, regardless of how long they are. That's just the reality. Nate Diaz has always been. been the fighter who said, like, I never lost a fight. I just ran out of time, except he's not bullshitting. Like, he's not just being an idiot saying some kind of like bullshit cliche. If you give him more rounds, he probably will win every fight. If you give him in infinite

rounds until somebody paps until somebody dies, he will probably win those. And so 10 rounds of boxing gives him this advantage, or not even an advantage, but evens the playing field to your point that I think is a massive thing for why this was so awesome and competitive. Yeah, it does. feel like Nate Diaz could come into this at age 50 and still put up 10 hard rounds as long as he's like aware of what's about to happen and he's able to prepare if he's motivated if if it's not the Jake Paul shit where he's just completely checked out then yeah it totally feels like that and certainly in a in a say a three or five round MMA fight we are not seen 1398 punches thrown over the course of the action from these guys just ridiculous numbers from that regard uh gentlemen let's let's

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A lot of words that none of us can say on air. But yes, I'm going to try to... People lost their shirts. Some people are giving super chats, and I'm still not going to put your question up there. Because I'm not willing to put racial slurs on a screen. Oh, shit. So don't do that.

Don't do that. It's just some people. For your contributions. I mean, it's just wild that Ryan Garcia will be in this chat right now. That is a big move for us. All right. Let's see what we got. I love you, but y'all got to chill if that's what's going on in the comment section.

Golly. We got a super chat from Everett Price. I'm going to prioritize the kinder ones. Shout out to the big fan beer. yeah right good call uh that was the best boxing match that i've ever seen that didn't involve boxers or butterbean that was incredibly well said that was incredibly well said ever that's a plus super was that was that the best boxing match that was m mhm fighters because i'm not remembering them off the top of my head but it had to be right like there was nothing even in the stratosphere

unless i'm crazy so so like are you counting Anderson silver versus Chavez Jr. Yeah, even I'm counting that. I'm counting any... I guess because he's a boxer. Does it not count? Yeah, I'd count that. I still think this was probably better,

more compelling. It's definitely better than Anderson, too. From a pure joyous standpoint, kind of like those, but I think just, yeah, from a fun perspective, this had to be the best one we've seen of these dumb crossovers, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I thought Anderson, like, won every round against Chavez. Like, I was just like, wow, this is actually happening right now. Like, I just think Anderson kind of dusted them up, even though the scorecards were a little redonculus, like, making it way closer than it should have been.

But this fight was just, didn't know where the cards are going with this one. If I had to go back and rewatch one of these fights, it's definitely Diaz Basso. The first Woodley and Paul was pretty great. That was a fun fight. That wasn't bad. Yeah, that was a good one.

Also, shout out, Butterbean. that man really kind of missed his era because he would have had a lot of fun in a era of social than troopers in turkey al-shake like come on you telling me we couldn't get some no turt weird weird shit from that guy right now turkey wouldn't stand for that turkey's a traditionalist he he wouldn't have he wouldn't have butter being on there he'd he'd see that as a freak show the best of us would get you tell me butter bean couldn't be on this social knockouts floor yeah he'll be on that and misfits he'll be on that and misfits for sure hell he's still It's underrated.

Underrated fight. I know it's like mixed hybrid rules. Mike Perry versus Michael Seals at Triller Triad Combat, super fun fight. Super fun. Yeah, that was a great fight. That was a great fight. Was Perry in the BKFC yet? Or was that like proto BKFC Perry?

It was like just before, like I think he had signed with BKFC, but I don't think he had a fight yet. I think they set up this event first. and they let him compete in this first before making his BKFC debut and he's still frigging won he won against a 30 fight pro boxer it was crazy he tried to tell us

he tried to let us know ahead of time no one listened uh this one's coming from Ron who says Dia's won because he punched more air dude was getting caught with hooks to the jaw and body the whole fight I don't know did he was using Nadeez

he did a lot of Nadea stuff I think something that's important to think about when you think about boxing versus MMA, like the criteria is not the same. The criteria of MMA in terms of damage is significantly way more important when it comes to MMA and not when it comes to boxing. Ring generalship and things like that are a factor in boxing. And Nate was pressing Jorge the entire time. Now, as I said, like, I had it a really close fight, and there's no doubt, like, Ronnie is right to a certain extent.

Like, Jorge was landing the better shots, no doubt. Like, that was very clear. But Nate was boxing pretty decently. I think Mazvedal did have some good defense and was really like parrying a lot of the stuff and bouncing it off his arms. But it was competitive. I don't think it was like, I don't think, I don't think Diaz was punching air and I don't think it was like a bad decision. Yeah, dude, there's a reason why MMA has shifted to the more damage part of it because they didn't want their 10 point must system to be exactly like boxing for this exact reason.

This is why the MMA scoring was exactly like the boxing model for a long time. Then you have to mix in all the other stuff. That's why they change the criteria to more damage than anything else. So it's not exactly the same. So New York Creek week's a great point. The scoring isn't the same. It's two M.A fighters, but they're, under boxing scoring criteria.

That's why it works that way. And also to the other point of the whole, oh, he swung and missed the whole time, it's just not true. And when Mazadol was successful, he was not against the ropes or not in the corner. Like when he was backed up against the rope, Nate was boxing him up.

He was landing like 25 punch combos against the ropes against Mazdaal. And he would come back and land one left hand, but Nate would hit him 25 straight times. Even if they were paper cut shots, it does not matter. If he lands 25 punches to Mazadol's one left hook, the judges are going to score in a boxing match that round for Nate Diaz. And those are the rounds he won.

It's not a robbery. It's not crazy. 8-2 is a little ridiculous. I'm sorry. That scorecard is dumb. It's insane. It's terrible. It's a terrible card.

I mean, it's a boxing card, but it's also still a terrible card. Yeah, terrible. Also, if I may, submit to the court, just an argument of, who fucking cares? None of this matters. None of this matters.

This was such a low-stakes thing. No one's going to remember who won this fight. This is what our comments are saying. We're just going to remember that it was a fun fight and we had a good time. Yeah. Perfect. Motion granted. Motion granted.

Nobody gives a shit about the score. This is not the fight to waste your words and your tears crying route free. Thank you. Oh, geez. This Jr. coming in with the Super Chat. Masvidal didn't win tonight, but he should feel bad. I know someone who loses way more than him.

Who? I want to know who. Who is it, Achilles Jr.? Let us know. Super Chat. Super chat in and tell us. Tony Berguson? Oh, geez.

How dare you? Yeah, Shaheen's on this show. Just trying to get kicked off this post show. I see how you're doing. It's late over there. Mike, heck, you're trying to go to bed. Coming from Tenzin, Jorge and Darren's Hill next. I don't hate it.

I don't hate it. That actually might be the answer. I'm down. Oh, oh, yeah. We're all forgetting jail in this equation. Oh, Jesus Christ. And he's got a lot of up this. Jorge versus Jail.

Can they just have like a debate instead of a fight? No. Because I'd watch the hell of that. Oh, I would not. A spelling B. Hell, no. How's the bill because of a lot, Mike? How's a bill because?

Come along, Mike. You don't know? Yeah, the chale would make it fun. I honestly think that would be worse than the boxing match. I'm not watching that. That's for damn sure. Jorge, Jorge proved himself extremely capable tonight, in my opinion. And that is not, there is zero interest to me. With a buildup could be possibly fun.

I just, yeah, we don't need to see Chale box. That facsimile of boxing that happened with Anderson Silva was enough. I think, I think we're good now. How would you do Mazda? I got a proposal? Yeah. I would. Sure.

Sorry, my internet's lagging a bit. I have a proposal. How about we do Chale-Sahanan versus Jorge Mazvedol, and we do the whole lead-up, and the lead-up will be very fun. It'll be reminiscent of Chale Tito. It'll be a lot of Jorge getting real frustrated,

and we'll be able to laugh about this. Maybe we'll get some stories about jackals and lions and such. And then on fight night, they swerve us, and it's actually Darren Till that comes out and chill sound his place. Mystery vortex style. I'm okay with Till Jorge, but like, I don't know.

I feel like, I feel like Jorge can do better from a, he can aim higher is where I'm ultimately at. I think he's, I think he's able to aim a little higher than Darren Till. It'd be fun. I don't hate it, but I feel like he'd be doing Darren Till a favor there. That's fair. That's fair. Chale beat up five dudes in one night's this YB craft.

Lazybed. Jorge versus Chale at Power Slappomania, 2005. God, please know. We got a comment from a long time first time. Oh, man. The man. Look at his YouTube, like image. Look at the profile image over here.

Yeah. Casey coming in looking musly. E. Casey Layton, how many rounds could have gone either way to y'all? It's a good question. at at least half of them yeah yeah i think one one and nine were the two most clear rounds of the fight for nate dyes like those are clear as clear as day there's no other way you could score those rounds i thought ten was the next clearest round for nate and then we could start kind of digging through some of the mazadol rounds but even the ones i scored for mazadol

there was a case to be made for Nate winning those rounds. So I would say two through eight were toss-ups. One-nine and ten were clear Diaz rounds to me. Yeah, I think that's very fair. Yeah, I agree. I think three, like three is definitely a definite Jorge Mazved all around. I'm trying to remember. That was what I felt like he got his moving going.

I've put a lot of those toss-ups. Did you guys notice because Mike and I noticed, Did Sean Porter's scorecard change after like round nine? That was weird, right? Like he had Nate Dia's winning and then all of a sudden, the next time they showed it, some of the rounds he scored for Nate. He all of a sudden had scored for Jorge. So I don't know what was going on.

Could you guys hear it? Could you guys hear the commentary? We didn't have it. We had it muted, but when it pulled up, we were very confused in the watch party. Yeah, so at the end on the broadcast, he said he scored the fight a 97-93 draw. So there was some real conflict of what his thought of what his thought was from the beginning to the end, which matches with what you're saying about his scorecard changing. They appropriately roasted him for it, including Sean O'Malley roasting him. By the way, Sean O'Malley was great.

Sean O'Malley was amazing. Not bad, right? He was freaking awesome. Yeah, I was going to save it for. I had it somewhere. But yeah, there's a lot of people that are, yeah. No, he was good. I enjoyed it. But to your point, yeah, Porter got lost somewhere in the middle of that fight.

And you know what? So did I. I stopped scoring it. I was just like, whatever, we'll find out at some point because I don't want to spend too much energy. And then there's just going to be weird scorecards. But, yeah, O'Malley was freaking good. He was just adding. In retrospect, it makes sense. right because he's he's really a fighter of the new generation where he's a streamer he has like a podcast he talks so much just like throughout his day to day like publicly so like maybe i shouldn't have

expected him to not be that great but yeah i enjoyed him quite a bit i thought he struggled a bit at the at the very beginning with the stand-up sort of the stand-up with more over now and i think sean porter but those are very weird and those are like awkward if you've never done that type of thing yeah like i you could throw any of us in it we would probably struggle too because we just unless you do that consistently, like, that's not a very easy thing to pull off. But then once he was behind the mic, I actually really enjoyed it. It felt like he knew when to pick his spots. Super chat from a call.

And he was dressed like disco stew from the Simpsons, which I dug. The gold shirt was unbelievable. That's an elite reference. I love it. Coming from our boy, Alex B. So, boys. Dias versus Madsvidal three and B.J., basketball. Yeah, I'm here for just like making them do weird stuff, right?

Let's do an obstacle course, eating competition, something. Something different. I think BJJ would be cool, but I don't think it would be as competitive and as fun as the boxing one. So that's kind of the one I would want to see. But if they say, hey, we're doing the BJJ just because we want to cross off all the different combat elements, like I'd totally be down. I think that'd be pretty cool. I'm only throwing this up because he paid $10 to have this up. Okay, Jose's judging your...

By the way, golf is the correct answer for round three. I don't know this for a fact, but I couldn't imagine that Nate Diaz played golf. There's no way Mazenov plays golf. They would throw their clubs into the lake, and they'd probably end up fighting each other on the golf course. So we'd get round three just the way you wanted anyways. This super cat chat coming from Chase. Resident Chandler-Hater here has his last two years been the biggest mishandling of a career we've ever seen an MMA.

I genuinely can't express the joy I get from what Connor McGregor is doing to him. And I'm pretty sure this is Jed's alt account. But I digress. What do you guys think? This is the biggest mishandling. No. What has been mishandled? He's waiting for the biggest payday, potential payday of his life.

I mean, it's not really like, there's not a lot of decisions here. Like, it wasn't really like he had all these opportunities and squandered them. He literally got presented with. red panty night and now he's just waiting on red panty night so i'm gonna say no also the outcome of this that isn't him fighting connor mcgregor is him getting the one of the worst title shots we've ever seen and mike just going ballistic don't you even put that out there yeah so yeah i mean the fact that i'm even talking about this right now just tells you that it's not an egregious mish mishandling of a career because he's still the topic of conversation i'm sure the

FFC's still paying him pretty decently. Now he's got all these businesses and stuff, and he's still attached to Connor McGregor right this second. He's attached to him. Even if Connor doesn't give any care at all to Michael Chandler or any bit of energy towards him, he's still connected in this world with Connor McGregor. When you think of Connor McGregor, right now you think of Michael Chandler.

So that's never a bad thing when you're attached to the biggest star in the history of the sport, for good or for bad. But yes, if he gets a title shot, then you have to reverse this question because it's either Connemogregor or a lightweight title shot after getting dusted up by Dustin Porre two years ago at Madison Square Garden.

So might be the best handling of a career ever if he ends up in a title fight or Connor McGregor at this point. Mike, I just want to play this out now really quickly. Like, let's just live in a world where this title shot does happen. It's Michael Chandler versus Islammacham. And like, let's just say something weird happens.

Michael Bisbing, yes. rock hole two type of thing where Michael Chandler comes in here it's a storybook celebration he he's waited all this time it wasted his time he gets the knockout in like two minutes he is the lightweight champion of the world and then he pulls a John Jones and he's just like I'm not fighting anybody else with this belt I am waiting for Connor McGregor to come fight me for the title and Armaz Rukin does not fight for this belt for the next two years what will the heck of the mornings, what will be the vibe of those heck of the mornings over those two years? Will you be able to keep your sanity? I will have to take a leave of absence from MMA fighting because I cannot

be responsible for what happens on these programs if this plays out the way that you're, the picture you are painting right now. It's just, it's terrible. Like everything you just said made me quez a little bit. I'm queasy right now, Shaheen, just thinking about this. It's awful. Everything you just said terrible. I really just kind of don't want this to happen now. Let's get a couple more and then we'll get out of here. It's getting late. Another one coming from Everett. I'm going to donate five more bucks because the computer won't let me donate 209. Thanks for a lot of content. That's tremendous. We love you, Eric. Everett. It's coming from Spencer. Gentlemen, Jorge or Nate deserve to be in the UFC Hall of Fame for me, Nate is borderline. Jorge should get in because of the Aspirin,

Kio, appreciate y'all as always. That's interesting to hear, because I would assume between the two, if you're going to just sort of shoehorn won it, it would be Nate just sort of longevity, big moments type of thing. But I don't think either of them get in, frankly, unless Nate Diaz gets in for a fight, similar to maybe like the Connor 2 type of fight. I think that would get in in the fight wing. Yeah. Other than that, I don't know that either these two men belong, but what do you guys think?

I think Nate Diaz belongs. I think Jorge's a harder sell because his career, was much more of like the journeyman until 2019, until he became Horace Ha, Mazvedal, until he became game bred and the star that he is now. I think Nate's a no-brainer. I think he'll end up there eventually. Agreed.

I think they both get in. I think they both get in. Just, I mean, Mazdaal is close enough with his accolates compared to some of the other fighters who have gotten in. He is the original BMF champion, in which the UFC weighs that more than a lot of other things. His 2019 is one of the best years in the history of the sport.

To come from where he was to headlining in Madison Square Garden to getting back-to-back title fights, plus he's done the UFC, even though he was paid off financially in some significant ways. He helped the UFC in a lot of ways, especially during COVID. He would headline the first event in front of a crowd after COVID, and he headlined, a huge pay-per-view on Fight Island

on less of a week's notice to fight Kamar Usman and a paper view that did incredibly great numbers on. So I think just the favor that he's carried with the promotion, you know, the UFC allowing him to go box and do all these different things.

Like they don't do that for everybody. They do that for people they revere very highly. And Mazadol is one of those guys who's at the top of that list. So maybe in a, you know, a legitimate sport. Hall of Fame type situation. Maybe neither of these guys get in.

But in the UFC Hall of Fame, I think both of these guys get in. It wouldn't shock me if they got in like the same year. Yes. Interesting. I want to reframe that then. Say we had a real MMA Hall of Fame, like a real place you could go to,

say it's in Las Vegas and you can walk around and it's like a real history of the sport. In that case, do you think either of those dudes would get in the MMA Hall of Fame? Because I think Nate would maybe have a case, but he also might have a case of like being on the border line of like the hall of very good but just for the pure stature of the events

and sort of who he became he might get in but I don't know that he gets it. I think Pedro Gomez once told Gays spoke of one of my classes in college and he had a vote for the baseball Hall of Fame and his criteria was could you tell the story of baseball without this individual

and if you cannot then they get in and you cannot tell the history of MMA without either Diaz brother that's fair i like that i like that that's fair all right um let's get a couple more yeah there's a there's a few more a lot of people talking about pay and this was a super chat like so i'm just gonna bring this up so if you guys want to talk about them getting paid uh this one's coming from stephen uh c sac said dia's got 500k and horre 300k for their purses obviously not their total amount but i'd say that's decent before

everything else yeah those numbers are not real that's what c sac reports that's sort of how that's sort of how it's finangled out but those numbers are far far larger than you think they are you think nate dyes would go through all this for 500 000 there's just no effing way people there's just no way and i don't think mazadal would go through this sitting at a press conference smelling the smell of delicious cheeseburgers off to the side he had to go through all of that for 300k there's no chance there's no chance those they made a lot more money trust me they made a lot more money uh this was coming from giovanni was on a date tonight tuning in late what the fuck happened i mean you got to watch the watch party that's the only way you can find out go to m mhm

fighting yep great website watch the watch party uh super chat for new york rick from your friend oh my achilles i'm not even going to say this out loud he responded why is he so mad I've missed everything. Why is that a... It kills. I don't know... I don't understand this math equation. No, this looks like a math equation.

And I don't quite understand it. Like, I see the, you know, what is that symbol? That's like an estimated. I definitely see a less than symbol. I definitely see a three. But the math is not mathing for me. Spill it out for me. Write it out.

and let's get to the bottom of this because this math is not working for me so we got to figure this out. Super chat back in and let me know. Let's see, Marco saying, fun fight should Diaz Connor 3 be in boxing? No, no way.

No way, man. No way, dude. That series is an MMA series. The first fight would not be what it was if it was a boxing fight. Like, we can't, we got to finish this out the right way. allow people we got anything else yeah we got we'll close it on this has unrelated to the fight but we mike and i talked about it um if i can find it there it is if i if i we talked about this

on the watch long party so we'll end with this super chat oh this was coming from our boy lazy bed he in new york rick how do you top your dogs your hot dogs pumpkin spice yes or no Rick, how you top your dog? For real? Pumpkin spice? No, so we had a conversation. Not on a hot dog. Not on a hot dog.

We just talked about how Mike and I have an affinity. Both of these gentlemen are pro pumpkin spice. Oh, so this is a separate question. How do you top your hot dog? Then am I pro pumpkin spice? Okay. How do I top my hot dog? I'm a, I was, when I was growing up,

I was for a very long time, just a ketchup on hot dog person. as I got older, I became a mustard and relish on a hot dog person. Now, I'll take like when you want to go like Chicago dog or even add the onions and go crazier. But if you're giving me like what's your simple like quick, how do you top a hot dog? Mustard and relish is kind of where I've landed at. And pumpkin spice like probably a no. More for me. Yeah.

That's the right answer for pumpkin spice. Like I'm not here for any of them. I just think about it. Whatever that weird. The weird fake pumpkin flavor. Like I just, I don't eat. I'm not a coffee guy anyway.

So like I'm not here for coffee generally, but like pumpkin spice on anything. Like, I just don't like it. I don't like pumpkin flavored things. As for hot dogs, I just don't like smothered. So like anything that's smothered with like sauce and ketchup and just like too much of

anything. Like I'm just not here for that. Give me some, give me some onions. Give me some like grilled onions. Give me some nice hot sauce. Some big hot sauce guy rather than. like the hot sauce on a dog okay interesting i've never done that i'm there too super underrated

topping i'm a huge hot sauce guy and i can't believe i've never thought of that oh wow that's good it's a good job especially on a grilled dog new yorker you gotta do it i'm a big spicy so yeah how do you get the hot dog to like stay where you needed to be right are we are we not talking like vinegar base like how do you how do you keep it on the dog as opposed to like soaking down into the bun like what's the oh but see that's that's that's the best part That's the best part because if it rolls around, then the bun, the inside of the bun gets coated with the hot sauce. So it's almost like you get a little bit of hot sauce and a little bit of hot dog, a little bit of bread. You get the trifecta in every single bite.

You don't miss a thing, New York, Rick. That's the beauty of hot sauce, which you don't get with ketchup and mustard because they're too thick of a condiment. Yeah. Mike's in fact. All facts from Mike. And talk about going out the right way. We got to go out like that. Yeah, we do.

That's it. I love to fight fans and their hot dog condiments. And will never be lost on me after tonight, ladies and gentlemen. Never. Respect all that. Do we know the date of the Kobayashi Joey Chestnut Netflix thing? That's coming up soon. Labor Day.

Labor Day. Ooh. Watch party. Dude. Yes. My happen. And with that. Well, the music quit out early.

Yeah. I don't know why. us back. There we go. We appreciate all y'all for tuning in. It was a super weird week. It was a really fun night.

I had a lot of fun. I hope everyone out there enjoyed your fourth to fly holiday. If you're still celebrating, it's the weekend, why not? For all our American friends, I hope you all enjoy the fourth. For all our non-American people.

It's been a great week. I love you, boy. That's Eric Jackman to my left. That's my tech. my right. We got Jose Young's and the ones in the tunes. We got Casey out there in California. Keep it locked to MMA fighting all week. We got the MMA hour coming back on Monday. No on to the next one this weekend, right? Now, week off. Week off. These boys need a week out. We come back on Monday. We love y'all. I'm Sean O'Shtady.

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