MMA Fighting - Eurobash: Episode 34 (w/ Jack Hermansson, Marvin Vettori, Pedro Carvalho)

Episode Date: May 7, 2019

On the latest episode of Eurobash, Jack Hermansson plots his route to the UFC title following his win over Jacare Souza (6:00), Pedro Carvalho calls for a place in Bellator’s featherweight tournament on the back of his first-round finish of Deren Campos (45:30) and Marvin Vettori looks forward to his return and gives insights into his USADA ban (1:20:45). Peter Carroll and Niall McGrath look at the latest European MMA news. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eurobash episode 34 We're back in your ears Back in your minds Back in your lives Noel McGraw here With his cap on backwards Oh yeah Bank holiday weekend

Is that a cap on backwards Kind of situation I'm going to turn this shit around today It is It's always on a bank holiday weekend Track suit bottoms hoodie Cap on backwards Represent

Flipflops on This is the Southside casual Southside Massel We had a big big weekend With UFC and obviously Bellator Birmingham going down. Let's take a quick look at these headlines. Donald Serroney, after telling us all week

that he doesn't want to fight Conner McGregor... He said he wants to fight him July now. I'm going to have a rant about that later on. You absolutely can. We have space available for that. Darren Till's first public appearance at Bellator since his arrest and he posted that sweaty video online

after a training session. So he's back in our hearts, back in our minds. Amir Ali Akbari signs for UFC. This guy obviously had some issues with PEDs in the past. You know, he had some world championships taken off him. He went to ACB. He looked very dominant, a good addition to that heavyweight division, if you ask me.

Paul Craig v. Alonzo Meneffield in June 29th. Another unbeaten prospect for Paul Craig. It's becoming his calling card. I think he's 3 and 2 in the UFC against unbeaten guys so far, so looking to make it 4 and 2. Looking forward to seeing that one, Big Paul. RCC6 went down at the weekend. Alexander Shalmenko defeated Viscardi. Andrade in the third round

and former cage warrior champion Jonas Bilstein got folded by Artem Froloff Chris Fields v. Carl Elbrexon is off Surprise, surprise Peter, you did call that. Yeah, and as I said, last week, Fields is now calling for the fight to be on Risen. It is a risen-worthy fight. Definitely.

And, you know, we only had the champion Yuri Pro Haska on last week talking about how he doesn't really feel like Albrexon's ready for the title yet. So how about, let him fight fields and if he gets through there give him the title shot you know. Definitely do it. I think it's a great matchup and obviously

you know one for Chris as well El Storko Blanco. El Storko, yeah. Returning he'd come out in a stork suit. They love those in Japan all that sort of pre-fight production and stuff so yeah let's do it. I'd love to see it. It'd be great for Chris as well

obviously a long time fan of rising and pride and all that it's a seventh of nine opponents that have pulled out on him over the last few years. Yeah it's Matt. It is Matt. That's great. And we've obviously been through a lot of that sort of process here in Dublin as well a number of those opponents. A couple of Obama events

I think Chris had a pull out of one as well. He was medically pulled from one. He was pissed off about that too. Oh yeah, man. That was something to do with his neck, remember? Yeah, it was from a guillotine. He was carotid archery and his neck was a slight blockage.

But listen, I suppose safety first anyway, but frustrating all the same for Chris. But yeah, listen, let's hope that happens. That'll be a cool one. I really hope it does and it's good to see so many people get behind the Irish MMA legend there online. So if you haven't already got onto that,

you should do it. It would be great to see an Irish going risen. I'd love to see that. Finally, I don't know if you saw the pictures yet, but Casey and Esther got married, and it looks like an amazing event. Yeah, I only saw it this morning. With the championship titles,

oh man, they're the best. The coolest couple of round, so I wish them many happy years. And I know they're going to have a fantastic adventure together. They already have. It should be like our adventure, Pets. It's very much like our adventure. So, yeah, we didn't get to speak to

Jack her Manson last week. So that was top of my list, to-do list this week. And thank God the Joker got on to speak to us about that fantastic win over Jacker right here. Soza, we talked about that ridiculous guillotine entry. He's pulled off three times now.

He talked about, in his post-fight press conference, he talked about he wants to fight whoever the UFC think will get him to a title. So we discussed the outlook at 185. You know, Chris Weidman came out and he says, I want to fight him. Yeah, funny enough, I talked about it last week and I quoted the tweet and Chris liked it. Yeah, but this is the opponent that Hermanson was calling for straight after the fight, right?

But now, since he's gone ahead of him in the rankings and no one was interested in him when he was behind them in the ranking, he said, no, no, he's second choice now. Yeah, so very, very interesting. Gastilum or, or Y'all Romero. Yeah, they're the three we mentioned last week. We also discussed a lot of people were pissed because, you know, and this is ridiculous. Greg Hardy got paid $150,000 and Jack would have to play $84,000. That's a piss. You know, it is a piss take.

If you look at, you know, we often get, I don't know, you probably get them as well. The Nevada have to disclose the portion of state regulations and law, the wages. And they are crazy, some of them. You'd imagine some of these fighters guys that you know a little bit better. We'll be getting massive books. but it's all about bargaining power and the agents. It's crazy.

The amount of time for Hanson's put into this game and I mean, it seems to be, as he explains in the interview, he seems to be coming up to a negotiation situation. I think after his next fight

he'd be able to negotiate, but geez, he'd want more than 80 grand to get in there with y'all, wouldn't you? Oh yeah, no, 100% and I'm sure his management team will be on top of that now.

GB. bargaining for a greater and obviously extension to the contract for his next fight. So, listen, he deserves it. He's put on some fantastic shows and as we said last week, any of those three fights, I think, really sort of propel him even further now

up into contendership status. You're beating a guy like he did in Jack Gray in the fashion in which he did. Listen, you're ready to nearly get in there and go for a title shot. Oh, I absolutely agree with you. So we're going to talk to Jack now. We'll be back in about 10 minutes. MMAFighting.com and I am joined by Jack Hermannsen coming off his fantastic win over Jack O'SOza last week.

Jack, you've had a week to process this now. I don't know if you've been home yet, but just tell me if you can put it into words what the reaction has been like to that fantastic outing. Yeah, I'm back home now. The directions has been amazing, you know.

A lot of new followers, a lot of new fans, and everybody from before, you know, everybody's supporting me and writing to me and congratulating me. And, you know, it feels great. I really got the response that I was looking for. And I'm enjoying.

a top spot position right now so I can't wait to see what next. It felt like a very intense moment, even when we saw you walking out there. How does it feel to kind of, you know, you had so many people before this fight saying, oh no, he can't go to the ground with Jack Array, he's not able for this, blah, blah, blah, to walk out there and dominate him on the ground and in the standing exchanges. I mean, it must feel good. Yeah, it felt great. And, you know, talking about the ground game,

I would love to, you know, get into the ground even more than I was able to do in the fight, you know. But I've been reflecting over the fight and I'm happy with it, but, you know, you're always critical towards yourself because you want to be even better, you know. So I watched that fight and I can see that some of my takedown attempts are like a little bit... far away so if i would have been doing a little bit of a better set-ups i probably would have had it on the ground even more actually well well well it felt like to me correct me if i'm wrong but it felt like to me that you not only showed that you weren't afraid to go to the ground with him

you made him reluctant to go to the ground with you that's how yeah yeah yeah true especially when you know after his first shot when i was um going for the guillotine you know after i uh hit him a a little bit in the first round and he panicked and shot and I went for the guillotine. After that, you know, he didn't want to shoot anymore. So, yeah, I think at least he didn't want to end up under me, you know. Yes, yes. And that guillotine entry, I've seen it now twice. I saw it against Branch and I saw it against Jacqueray.

I'm no ground wizard, but I did train Jiu-Jitsu for a while. And I've never seen that kind of entry before. Where has this come from? It comes from my trainer. Eduardo Teta Rios, my jihitsu coach. It was actually the first move that he taught me in my first practice with him. So it's pretty cool that it's getting some recognition now. I actually finished the fight before David Branch as well with the same move.

The same looping arm the way it comes in, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why I didn't recognize. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, it was the first round victory as well against Gerald Mershard. Yeah, so that's one of my favorite moves now. And, you know, if somebody gives me the opportunity, I'm going to go for it 100%. Well, well.

And, you know, it seems like it's done exactly what you wanted to do in that, I feel the fact that Chris Weidman has come out and accepted your challenge, that shows how your status has changed. It was very hard for you to get fights against recognized guys, and now guys are saying yes, because they know you're the guy with the momentum now, right? Yeah, exactly. You know, they can see me coming in there, and they want to test themselves against me.

So it's going to be really interesting to see what the UFC thinks and who I'll get next. How happy are you to see that, though, to see Weidman come out and say he wants that fight because he still is he one spot ahead of you in the rankings at the moment no he's one behind me so actually it would have felt better if it was gastilum or romeiro the end up in the fight so you know white man now i'm a little bit picky now but he's my like you know he's not my first choice you know i would love to fight uh i think calvin gaston and joel romero but i think

U.L. Romero, you know, he was supposed to fight Paolo Costa, so I think those two will fight. And Gestlum, you know, he just fought, so he probably wants a break just as I do. And I think we both could agree on a fight this fault. That would be perfect. Yeah, so you are comfortable taking some time off, Jack. That's been a big problem for you,

getting you to just sit down on the couch for a little while, you know? Yeah. It's just like, you know, I can feel my bother enough. it's pretty beat up and I just watch my calendar you know and I see that I have a lot of things to do this summer you know always when you have a fightbook you're just pushing things forward all the time and you know it's some time that I travel to Sweden and visit my family and my relatives and so on so I have a couple of things to do so it's perfect with a break right now and and then I can increase my training in the end of the summer and get a new fight in the fall. That would be perfect.

Yes, yes. And I mean, the fact that you, I know you put out on social media today that you would like the winner of Romero or Costa. But it doesn't seem that fight is happening right now. There's no, it's not set in stone, right? Yeah. Especially after there, it's been a little bit of conquering. university in there, you know, and so we will see. It might be the time fighting one of those.

Yeah, and I mean, this isn't the first time. The reason why I'm focusing on Romero is, Romero is a guy that is perceived to be so avoided. People think that fighters don't want to fight him. And I think before you did what you did to Jack Gray, he was considered a guy who was avoided an awful lot as well. But, you know, the fact that Costa aren't isn't matched up with Romero right now, that isn't set in stone. I mean, if the Romero fight was made available, is that, do you feel like, as you said in your

post-fight press conference, do you feel like Romero is the guy that gets you to the title? Because that's what you want, the guy who gets you to the title, right? Yeah, exactly. That's exactly why I want to fight him. It's not because I think he's an easy fight, because I think he's probably the hardest fight for me out there. But I know that if I win against, I win over him, you know, you can't deny me a title shot. that's just how it works he's the man

to beat so that's why I want to fight him I got to ask you this is something that came up an awful lot afterwards as you know the purses are made available for the public to consume and a lot of people were

annoyed by the fact that you know Greg Hardy came away with more money from that event from you he got 150K I believe yours is 84 but I know this is quite a personal question but I mean is that annoying to see a guy like you who's put in so many years, who's one of the best middleweights in the world clearly after that performance. Is that annoying for you?

Not too much, you know, but I feel like I have still one more fight on my contract now. And because, you know, I'm still under the same contract. So should I be able to win the next fight, I'm going to be in a position where I can negotiate I love a contract that's going to be far better than the one I have right now. So it's a little bit easy to, you know, just because my rise lately has been pretty quick, you know. So I think that I deserve more now, obviously. So I think there is, yeah, we need to negotiate a new contract and that, and that will. one will be better and I will be better paid.

Yeah, because you want to have the big books to be taken on the guys at the top of the division, right? Yeah, for sure. You know, if you're up there with this kind of caliber guys, you certainly deserve a good pay. So, I mean, I'm asking you to kind of look into your crystal ball a bit here, Jack. I know you said you want some time off and, you know, we don't know what's going on, Romero and Costa at the moment. You've got Adasani, you've got Whitaker, who looks like they're going to fight. who do you think will be next if everything went according to

plan if you got exactly what you wanted what would it be exactly how I wanted that's you know it doesn't happen an awful lot in this sport right no it doesn't it's hard to think like that

so it's yeah I think that you know what we know is that Israel and Whittaker will fight. And the guy that's ranked the highest is Romero.

So that's, you know, if I could fight him in this fall, that would be perfect. If not, then, and what I feel is the most biggest reward. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely Romero. But I feel like Gaslam is probably the fight

that I have the feeling that that's a fight is going to happen I feel like that's a fight that the youth series could be willing to to set up so yeah I have a feeling that that's the one

that's the next one so Gasselman do you think if you were saying it was as impressive as you did against Jacker Ray there let's be honest the reaction to this is just crazy so say you went in there and did that against Gasselam again something similar something with the same

kind of impact do you think that would result in the championship date or do you expect to fight two more times before you go and fight for the title? It could possibly give me a title shot but you know you don't want to you know I don't want to be disappointed either you know that's that's it you know so if they're not promising me anything you know I will take it for granted because that's that's my goal for sure and I know that I will reach it somehow but I feel like you know a maximum two fights away from a title show for sure if not after the next one then that one after that it might depend on my performance as well you know if it's super dominant then I get a good momentum

they might give it to me and you know if it's a closer fight they might want to give me one more fight for the title so I think that's fair absolutely Jack thank you so much for giving us time all the time. We really appreciate it. And I can't wait to see what's next. And I do hope you get some time off. I don't want you accepting any fights for June 1st now before the next time I speak to you. I'll be there in Sweden, but I'm going to be watching and enjoying the fights. Okay. Okay. Brilliant. Enjoy some time off, Jack. And thank you again. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much to Jack

Hermanson for joining us. I'm so excited about what's going to happen next for him. you know, it's crazy seeing like one fight basically, you know, result in everything that this guy has been asking for to, our marriage is the top of this division. And I think a big, oh, there it is. And I think a big nod to how his stock has grown is the fact that, as I say to him in the interview, is the fact that Chris Whitman's now saying, oh, yeah, I like the sound of that fight. They wouldn't talk about this guy before, you know?

Yeah, it wouldn't. And I think they have to, because of that performance. It was a dominant performance against Jack Ray. Crazy. and we've talked obviously about, Jack Ray is obviously on sort of you would say he's coming off the top of the hill from his career

but still, you know, a massively dangerous guy. He could get in there with anyone in that top 15 and cause him a lot of trouble. He'll easily beat them. No one wants to get in there with him at the moment after that performance and after what we've seen,

how good his ground and playing game is, how versatile he is, how dynamic he is on his feet. He can bring the fight really wherever he wants to bring it. And we saw it against Jacker, we saw every sort of facet, at every utilization of what he's good. We sum up against the cage,

the gritty, grindy style in the second, third rounds, and obviously kicked on and later, and he can go five now as well. So it's a big, big plus and advantage for him to have that in his locker and be able to know he can go those five rounds as well, I think is a massive factor and something that I think we're just going to see

a lot more from Jack in the next year. A young man too. So that's how is he going to bode well from in that division. Let's take a look at what happened last week. UFC Ottawa. that was the kind of highlight of the weekend for a lot of MMA fans Donald Soroni fantastic fight fantastic display I love Dad mode Soroni by the way

but the only points I'll take away is returning to the McGregor situation like I mean I think it was cringe really I think when you have a win like that when you have so much public adoration you can really make something happen there and I just don't feel like the Connor fight is still an option you know I totally agree with you and I think when it's almost to a point where he's begging for it now. It looks a little bit pathetic, in my opinion.

I think we saw it with Paul Felder as well. There was a lot of talk in relation to, you know, oh, that counterfeit, it must be, no, like, there is a lot more. No offence to you, Donald, you've come back, your two fights back in the UFC Lightweight Division after your little stint, unsuccessful stint at Welterweight. It wasn't that unsuccessful? It was unsuccessful.

Look at his record. That's what it's all down to Pizzi at the end of the day, records, and if you're winning fights, and he didn't win a lot of fights at Well 2.8, right? But if you look at the UFC lightweight division, we have so many fights at the top of that division that we have yet to see and potentially may never see. And these guys are ahead of Cowboy Seroni, in my opinion. You have obviously Habib, Conner, Gaichi, Porre, Holloway, Ferguson. These guys need to sort out that little mix in there before thrown Donald Cowboy Soroni in there.

And I think that's fair to say. I think we've waited so long to see a lot of these fights. Like, you know, Ferguson, McGregor, you know, you have the Holloway rematch, Holloway, back at 155. You're reading notes of your phone here? No, I'm just looking at the,

I'm actually looking at the picture of the guys because I can never remember everyone's feckin names. There's so many fuckers. And I hear this Connor McGregor has a big future.

You know what I mean, though? I think throwing him in there and it just puts another person in the mix that's probably not there in my eyes yet to be considered in that elite. He's had his chances before

in the past. I know he's looked different. He's looked very, very good. Edson Barbosa Part two. Why not? Let's see it again. That was a fight that happened years ago, and I think Edson's obviously evolved a lot since then. And let's see that test, because you have other guys ahead of him,

and he's not going to fight his buddy Paul Felder. That was a potential fight. Paul, I think, should go throw down against Justin Gaichie. I think if we're going to see Habib and Dustin, I think we should see Connor and Tony towards the end of the year. What about Kevin Lee? Kevin Lee's going to welterweight. Is he, no, definitely?

Yeah, well, he's fighting. Does he keep saying that then? No, but the fight's booked. Oh, is it? Yeah, it is he's going? He's fighting He's a double check there He is

He's a fight booked anyway For I think it's next month sometime And And there's talk of You know Obviously Kevin's Find it very hard I think to make that weight

Still 155 pounds We've seen a few cuts Where he hasn't been great So if you look at You know sort of the dimension You know Because we're not going to really Ever get

Yeah, das Anios That's a year That's right We're not going to get any You know Clear movements In terms of who's where And who's rank where

until we sort out the guys in the top six. And Soroni's not there. That's proved to be a very, very difficult thing to do. I know, but, you know, like, I agree with you, but there's other guys ahead of him that other fights need to be booked instead of him. Yeah, I just don't see, I tell you, I just don't see the, the,

McGregor thing working out because there's too much money from a Diaz rematch, there's too much money for Kabeb rematch. It's just, he pales in comparison to that, and let's be honest, when you are Cona McGregor, you are the UFC, you want to bring him back for the biggest fight available.

and he is not the biggest fight. It's as simple as that. He isn't the biggest fight. And I think even to a certain extent now, I think a lot of people are even more interested in seeing the Ferguson fight ahead of that. Yeah, maybe so. What did you think of that Komeni event?

Because a lot of people, a lot of lot of people, did not enjoy it one bit. It was absolute garbage. And I think we said it last week. We did predict that Elias Teutoro just makes fights crap. He really does. Let's be honest about it.

He seems like a nice guy. He likes his hair. looks good doesn't clearly want to get hit in the fights the way he fights he's off the back foot very telegraphed in his movement when he tried to go forward too I sure Derek Brunson was very very frustrated

in that fight and I was glad to see Derek get the win because he pushed the pace tried to win the fight it's guys like that you could see Elias Teodoro being cut and it was like Teodorro's big chance to kind of establish himself in that middle way picture and it just

didn't happen for him and I think he's one of these guys even on a winning streak I know he's lost that fight, but he's one of these guys, even on a winning street that could be cut from the UFC just because the style of his fighting.

It was a really big reaction. Like, I mean, the amount of people that were talking about this was unbelievable. Doreno was talking about him. I even saw, as we'll talk to later on, and he did comment on this point.

Marvin Vittori, like, he was making stories about it going, is this for real, you know? It was, I was, uh... It'd be like you watching me playing rugby. Yeah, but he was so telegraphed as well. You'd be like, that them lineouts are shite, mate. But did you see how predictable his shots were as well?

it was a really strange performance and I was happy for Derek Brunson because he's bored the shit out of me in that fight. Cub Swanson, could it be Cub Swanson next? I was just about to say that.

My God. Yeah, I don't know where one of those judges got that fight 3027 for Swanson he needs a good slap. Are people getting, like, did he get confused as the one who's saying? Yeah, I think he might have wrote it. Yeah, Burgos is fucking huge.

Big boy. Jesus Christ. That was terrifying. the size of that fella. You might have given the third to... Came out hot, yeah. But his first and second, I think was easy. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

But the first and second were, you know, it was easy for me. Good technical fight. Yeah, you just wonder how much more Cub has to offer in the tank. And, you know, maybe you can argue even that he should have retired a couple of years ago. But, you know,

legends. These young guys look at seriously hard work. You know, what do you do? Do you put them in there with Rodriguez? Do you put them in there? Like, you know, what? that. Well, like, he's far on the bounce. Like, why not put him in, like, the last time we saw, yeah, he'd take a big step up. He wasn't ready for everybody he knows against Edgar.

But maybe this is the time to test him against a guy who's been established in the better way. The fight against the zombie was, you know, I think that is that progression. And you throw Burgess in there and give Burgess a bit of a test as well. That's, that's a fight that I think a lot of fans would like to see. That's a good shape of Pete's. Thank you. Thank you very, very much. Peter Shelby. Divalashvili, he really took it to Katona. No Kavana in Ketona's corner. Obviously Kavana was in Belator Birmingham. But this is, we have seen this before.

Like, I mean, do you think fighters, remember Aritin Faw Cobb and John didn't go to it? Yeah. You know, he had other engagements. Do you think that's a real put-off for fighters when the coach isn't there, or is it not a big deal? Because, I mean, Katona probably has a different crowd in Canada as well because he was there for so long, you know? Yeah, no, I think it obviously isn't, you know, the most favorable of circumstances, not to have your coach in your corner, but it obviously can't be helped. been with John a lot, lot longer. A lot lot.

A la, la, la, la. Brad's only doing there two fights. So, yeah, listen, I don't think that should be a really major issue. But it was a performance where he got, you know, he got beaten and beaten well. Yeah, Diffelageville is just so weird, man. He's trying the kitchen sink at you from the word go. And then as soon as you open up, he's on you. Yeah, he took him down the load.

And it was one of those fights where I think Ketona, you know, fair play for sticking in there to the end. But it was a long night for him. Yeah, it was. Wild Harris absolutely battered. Spivak bad debut for him but Walt's not Disney I will say I will say

look how Pavlovich turned things around in his second USC out and he came he went in against Alistair Overeux and got starched and then he came back out and looked brilliant in his in a sophomore outing

in Russia there last time out so look a champion coming into a new division I think it's daunting I think the heavy weight the perils of heavy weight for a guy coming in from the outside of the UFC is the talent pool isn't that deep so they could be thrust into a level of opponent that they've never even seen before in their life and Harris proved that that was the

situation for Spivak but maybe you know that experience will stand to him in his next outing as we saw with Pavlovich but um definitely not the debut he wanted and a good win for walt and the only other european interest in the card was Norden to leave and he got a dominant victory over koyle probolic um you know i'm sure namar will give him the weekend off now for him is he still working my name do we know that no but i like that narrative yeah so i'm going to go with it so name are probably on the phone to him straight afterwards. Oh, can't wait till you're home. Get over.

I feel very insecure. Little footballer millennials. Do you reckon he gets canned if Namar goes to Rael? Yeah. No. No, do you reckon he's brought in? I'd say to Labe is the kind of guy that speaks Spanish as well. I'd say to Leib, it wears a polon neck very well.

Oh, yeah. And a gold chain around it. And a pair of black sunglasses. And a gold chain around it as well. And a big Rolex watch. Yeah, all that shit. Yeah, I'd say. Like black.

You could just pick a little. You know one of those short, like, short sleeveless polo necks? The black, it's very predictable what he's going to wear. Do you think he makes more money from being Namar's good? Oh, 100%. So you can, every time he's getting in there, he's doing it for us. He's doing it for the love guys. That's it.

That's what a lot of guys are doing for. I guarantee you, Namar was paying him fucking more. I don't think we can even need to even have that conversation. Yeah, it's true story. Let's get on to Belator Birmingham. There was so many callouts. I tried the list as many as I could. Where did you watch it?

I watched Jimmy Gaff. Do you watch the domain card online? Oh, sorry, a bit of interrupt you there. I said something there. You tuned in Channel 5, did you? Yes. All right, okay. I couldn't get Channel 5.

I saw a selected prelips on my car. I have a great bit of hardware there else we get this kind of thing. They sell them in Fairhouse Market. Philotaur Birmingham, yes, the, like, I mean, the main event, I mean, that must be absolutely sold destroying for Tim World. Brent Primis Gogolplatism in the first minute I mean that is one of the rarest submissions

that you can achieve 100% We all remember Nick Diaz doing his attack Norie Gommi back in the day And it was like everyone's head exploded And for a guy as muscled as Brent Primus To do that was absolutely unbelievable His muscles will be up

Yeah my heart went out to Tim Wilde I mean that's You know to get to get finished by an incredibly rare submission In the first minute basically You know And he did look like he saw stung Primis with a right hand just before that ground sequence started

but as soon as he went down to meet Primus on the ground Primus was working with that go-go platter I know he went for this an awful lot against Chandler in the last fight but a tough one for Tim and you know when you get that big step up you don't be you know we said last week it was going to be a little bit too much and I proved that way I think yeah it's tough it's tough

in the Colman event Fabian Edwards with a fantastic knockout you know two two up kicks stands up right left is he ready for a while I'm in the title shot man. You feel like he's not far away. Just the one thing I'd say,

and this is no sluade on Fabian or his management team because I know they were looking for the toughest fights available, but it's tough when you go in there against Chadwick who had a great win. We'll get on to that. When it's tough when you go in there

against the Chadwick and you have that kind of performance and then the level of opponent drops rather than increases. You know, in all fairness to Flacconeto, he nearly has an even record now after that loss. He's 11 and 10 now. Fabian, like that's the one,

I mean, I'll respect to you at Simon. He's a great, great matchmaker, but you need to consistently build these guys. The way to keep the public's appetite there is to keep on giving them new challenges, new challenges. So they're going, what's going to happen here rather than, well, Fabian's going to win the first round. It's a problem not for Fabian here that he can't get matches,

and that's the issue that he's going to have to make that step up, whether he's ready for it or not, because guys, you know, he's finding very hard to get matched against opponents. That's probably an issue as well for the promotion. But I just don't see why Mike Shipman and Kostlovensteen is our match for June now. Like I don't think if they're taking that kind of fight, why wouldn't they take Fabian? Maybe the Birmingham thing was an issue. Yeah.

But look, we need to see, to make the public really want this because I felt there was a lack of anticipation for this card and the lead up to it. Massively compared to the other European charts, massively. And you've got to give him a fight that you're kind of going. Jesus, how is you going to get on here? And look, that's incredibly hard because he looks unbelievable. I think they should have held them out and put them on the London card and bumped up the London card a little bit more. Put Shipman and Edwards on it.

Why not? Because I mean they're getting rid of two, they're putting two prospects together anyway with Van Steenis and look, whatever. I just hope we see that steady build. I know that's what Fabian wants because that's how you make money in this game. Exactly. I totally agree with you. And I think if we look at the London card, the excitement already,

there seems to be that buzz around it with James and Gagard on the card as well. And I think it's going to be like the traction that Dublin card did here, which was absolutely insane. It was mental. So I'm looking forward to that one, big time. Yeah, I'm taking a look forward on the card. Pedro Carvalio, we'll talk to him later on. This was the performance that this guy needed.

An absolutely brilliant performance against Derek Campos in his 15th Bellator fight. Pedro. I went down to the gym to interview Brian Moore ahead of this fight, and Pedro was there, and he had this crazy look of intensity, and I had yet to know he had taken on this fight. And then it all suddenly makes sense the next day when I get wind of it. I'm like, wow, okay.

You know, he looked fantastic, I think. When you see James Gallowher and Brian Moore getting behind his request to be in that Fedaway tournament, it shows you that the whole gym is behind this guy. Let's get him going. Only 23 years of age. Everybody thinks he's about 42. He looks about 50, yeah. Everybody, we clarified this again.

I told him he's going to have to post a picture of his passport to convince the masses. But Raymond Daniels had somewhat exciting Bellator debut. Unreal, man. You're watching that stuff. It's like computer game stuff. that's one of the best knockouts just to have the mind and the intelligence

to faint your foot your leg in the air and then drop your arse to the ground and then throw a dig it was just sensational I was blown away

by looking at that moment I was screaming oh what the fuck look at this yeah it was amazing amazing a moment but it would be very interesting again to see if he can deal with a higher level

mixed martial arts I know but it's his debut I agree. 100%, but I think we just have to say that anyway. Yeah,

well, I think the problem for me is if you're looking at this in terms of a contest, you are putting two guys into an MMA fight. One's the greatest kickboxer

of all time, the other one's like a regional kickboxer. I'm a better kickboxer than both of them. No, but do you know what I'm saying? I know. There's only, like,

there's pretty much one outcome and we saw it the other night and it was fantastic. But just, just for a bit, a bit of fantasy matchmaking here for Raymond Daniels. We're not going to worry about

the right step up. What's the fight you want see right now. I'll tell you mine. Go. Dylan Dennis. Oh, do it for the crack. Do it for the crack. It makes no sense whatsoever

of your Belator, but just do it, do it, lad. Do it. Jiu-Jitsu head against the unbelievable kickboxer, yeah. It's the classic. Man, that would be cool. I'm down with that shit.

I'm definitely down with that shit. Yeah, I'm trying to get a hold of Raymond. I wanted to interview him about that miraculous K.O. He doesn't like you after last week. How does he just do it all the time, though? I mean, every time, if you watch any of his voice is like that, you know,

it's just it's crazy. But let's take a look at some more of these matchups. What do you think of Joe Warren v. Brian where he talked to our boy Shoney Betts and Steve? There's a 50-year-old now

in Joe Warren. Joe's an old dude. What is he? 43. But a good scalp. 100% a good scalp. I'm down with it if Joe wants to do. I think Joe last fought in October,

November or something like that. I'm not sure. But I think that would be a really, really good scalp, a really good way to maybe introduce Brian to further maybe into an American audience. you know, if he does really want that push for the world title at 135 pounds, no better way to start it than to be the vet and a hard ass like Joe Warren.

We see that SBG guys are kind of giving prominent places in Bellator. Do you believe that Carvalho will get that tournament space on the back of that? Well, I think he has to because, you know, we talk about last week how experienced campus is when you're putting away a guy like that and doing it and putting on a performance like that as a 23-year-olds, If they're looking at future prospects, look at his record and Bellator as well. He's already done Daniel Crawford. That's what I mean.

He should have got more respect after that. Put him on the card, give him a good placement in that tournament. Yeah. What about those body kids? The noise off him. Jesus Christ. Chandler v. Primis Tree.

Nah. Yeah. Dom Wooding v. James Gallerer. I'm a bit confused about this one because Dom was fighting a featherweight. I think he said his time with bantam weight's done. And James Gallowher is definitely a bantamweight now, you know? Yeah.

And as well, two. Wooding look great. Two red-hot prospects. You know, what do you do? Wouldn't they get out? And guys that have, like, there's no need to push them now. They're still very young.

Can I ask the question now? I know James is coming off. Is it, we're at a point now where we need to see James constantly. I think Jeremiah Labiano's a good step up from his last fight. I think Don Wooding is another step up again. Look, I know.

Wooding's amazing. He's unbelievable. He's a great. He's unbelievable. But I will say about the matchmaking there, Wooding's been taking on champions pretty much from his second fight. To put him in against Calsa

was, I knew what that was going to happen. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And that's with the greatest respect to David Calso. I've seen him give a lot of lads trouble, including King Cowley. But Wooding is the finished product as far as I'm concerned already. And he's just unbelievable to watch.

What age is he? I'm not too sure what age is. I've been watching him from a long, from a distance for a long, long time. He's one of my favorite for us to watch from his amateur days, because people were already, if you remember when he was an amateur

and Ryan Curtis was an amateur, they were trying to put them together for the pro debut. A nice FC, I think they were trying to make that fight after Manchester. Shinobi or one of Mioaks, yeah. Yeah, listen, I don't know. I think we're at a stage now

if Brian wins this fight, sorry, if James wins this fight against Labiano where we have to see a significant push. Yeah, yeah. But is he in the same weight division that sets the serious issue? Well, who knows.

Yeah, we'll have to see if Dom's willing to do with that again. But as for Brian Moore, I think it was a, was a good way to get Brian back in there. Well, he had the 15 minutes as well, you know? It's, you know, it'll all count to him. And I'll tell you, it's exceptionally hard.

I don't know if you ever grappled any rounds or boxing rounds, but when somebody is just literally not giving you anything, they've decided from the first exchange, I'm going to lose this fight, and I'm just going to defend. Like, believe me, I was that guy in Jiu-Jitsu who just waited. I'm just waiting, and I'm getting battered. But I know if I open myself up to attack the other guy, I'm going to take a risk and he's going to get me.

You could see when Brian has back against the cage. on the deck and he was just literally just cover up. Risk control the whole time. Brian was finding very difficult to get his hands out and land blows. But he looked strong. He looked fit for the 15 minutes. He did look really fit for the 15 minutes and I think that's a big, big positive. Brian will like

that I think that he's got three rounds in behind him now and the hands are okay. There's no injuries to the hands. I think it's very, very important from that point of view. But yeah, I think Brian will be a little bit disappointed. He didn't get the finish in that fight. I think that you know, a number of occasions maybe he was a little bit hesitant. There was a knee. I think there are a number

of times he could have thrown down the chest and I think he landed actually once and and his opponents fell to the ground and but yeah it's one of those ones where you just I think you get the victory and you move on Saul Rogers got a decision win over Aidan Lee that was an incredibly tough fight for Aden Lee in his debut yeah silly fight I thought it was like I mean Saul Rogers dominated you know um you know Saul's one of the best guys oh yeah he's been running for the UK and Ireland you know he's been dying for this opportunity I felt that was really tough matchmaking for Aiden Lee, who was making a debut. I think Aiden should on. We talked about it last.

He's an outrageous talent. He should have stayed around cage warriors a bit longer. These things happen. Cancros, Corvus. Kane Musa got a debut win over Matthew Pissorke. Piscores. It was, it was,

Matchew gave him plenty of trouble early on, I tell you. And I think Kane has so many plates spinning. Like, he's an entrepreneur. He has so many businesses. He's involved in the music industry. He's involved in the fashion industry. He's got so much going. And I think, you know, that probably showed him.

Like, you know, he, probably thought he was going to go in there and take care of business very quickly. He went to 15 minutes, looked very fit, don't get me wrong, but yeah, good debut, good signing for them and off to a good start. Lee Chadwick gets a win over James Mulheron. A lot of people had this one from Mulheron. He seemed to be, you have the slicker striking of the two, but Chadwick's forward momentum, and he, you know, he wrestled him well up against the fence.

He was definitely trying to stifle all those attacks, so that's a very close fight, decision win for Chadwick, though. Yannick Bahadhi took care of business against Amir Dadovich, got the first. round camor we talked about dominic wooding's win over david calza jimmy wallhead continues the resurgence with bellator he's two and o now under the bonner with a win over georgio petrini uh... Gavin hugh has got the second round renegat choker of mohammed yaya and ashley reese got a gritty win over craig turner craig turner seven o one actually rees seven and all craig turner was actually rees seven and one going into the fight so tough fight there

and dave castle got a win over john nichols a first round knockout acon one this looked fantastic against Sam Slater. He looks much improved since joining that team Renegade. Disappointment for Sam, obviously, he's gone to two and two now. That's a good, a lot of people are hot on, so don't be surprised to see that fella have another run at it. Rafael, a Chigbue, fantastic debut, triangle choking the first round over Lee Percival. Nicholas Solly, got a K.O. out of nowhere, really, against Simon Ridgeway. And a draw started tonight, which I taught Constantine, Gonsaref, was robbed that SBG fighter. I thought he won the fight fairly handily.

Kieran Lister got the second round for me but I thought constantly needed enough it ended in a draw and that's all that we had from Belator Listen how do you see the health of Belator Europe at the moment now Like I don't know how it's going

You know I'm a little bit I don't know if that event sold the way it intended to I don't know I know a few weeks out people were saying there was tickets I know Fabian was posting that there was still tickets available

I mean do you fear that this could possibly not go beyond the year with Skye yeah yeah like and I feel if Sky isn't there will Belator see the point in it no but well you don't know with Belator because they didn't have a TV deal for so long that they might continue

to piss against the win but they have to have a platform in place if they want this to continue and I just don't feel at the moment there's a major amount of buzz for a lot of the cards I think obviously the Dublin ones are huge insane was amazing and there was so much You could do two Dublin cards a year.

But that Dublin card did more traction, way more traction than UFC London. Yeah, yeah. Like, well, for you at news talk, who was an Irish publication. Yeah,

but I know, I think in general, if you look at like, no, not, not for us now. No, no, no,

but no, I'm talking about in Europe here. All right, the interest here in Europe. Oh, yeah, yeah. Was, was nearly bigger than UFC London. And I think,

you know, going forward, I think the gym card, obviously, you need guys like James, you need guys like Musassi. But I just don't feel as though they have the big names

in general to be able to continue this. I think what they should do, and this is for a long, long time, is space out their cards a lot more and promote them more and stack them harder and better because there's a lot of dinosaurs on their ranks as well,

sort of the upper way classes. But I think that's what they need to do, and I just don't see the problem with that anymore. Why don't you promote the shit out of a card and starve and wet the people's appetites? You don't think the European series was promoting? A lot of bullocks.

I have to say, Garaday Davis was brilliant on the broadcast. I mean, actually brought a real bit a flare and personality to the whole situation. What podcast? I mean, sorry, not the podcast. Aiden Power was on the broadcast. You know, from the RTE guy. They used to do the den and shit.

Why was he on it? I don't know. Give Mike Sheridan a show for that kind of stuff, you know? Look at you. Give us a show. Oh, God. He'll work for Bellator. Who's this guy? You're serious? Yeah, and then... That's shocking. Paul Daly was very good. Sorry, we talked about this one. That's terrible.

Do you want a job? well, Altor. Not really, but you're going to who's this guy jumping on the bandwagon?

They should have got Mike Sheridan. Oh, God. He does live TV all the time. I mean, he just knows the sport a lot better.

Aiden actually did well, he's very polished, but you could tell there was a lack of, you know, knowledge. Just general knowledge on MMA, which Mike could be probably better

as far as I'm concerned. But Garrett came in, he was kind of in and out, but as soon as he was in, you could tell daily settle down a lot more, everybody's a lot more comfortable. And then what happened

was after the fights finished, lads just start walking straight up to garret like sitting coming out of the cage and they're like these impromptu interviews so monis garth yeah so it was good crack i actually enjoyed that i was saying to him there i was talking to him today and i was saying you should actually get you in a little corner and have the four just come out and just have a quick word with you you know outside the cage but i suppose you can't double down on the interviews like that um yeah it was it was good the event was good to watch the main card was really good live like i mean look at look at the look at the finishes you had you had those up kicks

you had the daniels crazy co you had pedro absolutely blazing tru someone and then you had the that premise freak submission of go go platta so it went well but yeah i do agree with you i i feel like you know in dublin i had random people who just sports fans talking to me about this card and i didn't have that ahead of this one and i think perhaps with a with fabian and a really really interesting fight there i think a lot more people are kind of like what about like yeah i know melvin manoff's already on there but what about a guy like that that's been around for years of melvin manoff's a fight in june i believe but um you know give us something like that because then we're like we're going to see a taro appear, lads. But yeah, yeah, that's Bellator Birmingham. We are going to go over

to Pedro Carvalho, the man who has been imprinted in a lot of people's minds after that first round victory over Campos in Birmingham. He looked fabulous. He had that beautiful suit on him afterwards. I complimented him on that. And yeah, he just gives us a general sense of where he feels he is and what he feels he needs next to get himself into that tournament. So thank you very much to Pedro. We'll be back in about 15. fighting.com and I am joined by Pedro Carvalho, who's coming off his two-minute disposal of Derek Campos at Bellator Birmingham on Saturday night. That's, that's Pedro's third win in as many outings under the Bellator banner, and he is now calling for a place on Bellator's

featherweight tournament which looks likely to kick off in October. Pedro, my word, what a win, what a performance. How are you? How's it going, sir? I was things. Man, that was absolutely incredible. I'll tell you a story. I was down in the gym, interviewing Brian Moore a few weeks back, like many weeks back. And while I was there, someone kind of saw you training and this crazy intensity about you, but it had yet to be announced that you had stepped up to the market to fight Derek Campos. So I left the place going, my God, this man's so intense. And then next of all, we find out that this common event slot has come up.

How long did it take you to accept that? I never take more than 30 seconds to accept a fight. I never took longer than that, you know. That was it. My coach, John Kavanaugh, he told me about this offer. And I just, the only thing that I asked him about was if he thinks they're with a win over their accomplice, if I will get a good possibility in the tournament. He said, absolutely.

And I said, let's go. Let's do it. Yeah. And I feel like this is something that you have. have you've geared yourself towards for a very long time. I saw you doing interviews with Jerry McCarthy out in the Phoenix Park talking about how you hope this would open up the opportunity to fight in the tournament. Was that always what was on your mind, as you said there, even before you accepted the fight,

you were thinking about this? Has that been something you've been trying to guide yourself towards for a long time? Yes, absolutely. Since I heard about it was one of my targets, one of my goals, you know. be on the tournament because it's straight away a direct opportunity to be world champion, you know? Absolutely. You just have to do your work in the fights and you get the belt guaranteed.

So, yeah, straight away, once I knew about the tournament was one of my goals, you know, but there's so many high-level feather weights and even lightweights that can do featherweight, you know, and I knew it would be tough. and I knew that I needed something to make noise, to prove myself once again, you know. And at the time, in February, I got a chance to fight against Brennan Gertz. Yes. And then the Fagar Council, because my paperwork, my visa, got late.

And at the time was, like, really heartbroken for me. like was was one of the most disappointed thing that ever ever happened to me you know especially because i wasn't in this in my mind was like this is it this is going to be my moment because it's a big name i'm not going to prove myself and i see these chance like just go like that because a piece of paper you know it's crazy and um but then i just thought about like if if this didn't happen was because it's not meant to happen you know is because something bigger further going to happen. So I just embraced this thought and I just went to the gym like I was in training camp,

training, training hard, hard, like I had some opponent. Even if, even I didn't have it, but I was, I was in camp. So once, once John told me about the campus fight, I was like, man, this is it. This is my moment. you know and I wasn't wrong about it yeah no 100% and I know Campos like did you know when you saw Campos this guy has fought in Bellator 14 times before

you know you were going to face off he has fought some of the biggest names under the promotional banner were you aware of all this as soon as they said that name to you oh yeah like when I was when I was still a teen it wasn't like a long time ago that I was a teenager yes yes you're only 23 right I'm only 23. Incredible.

And I remember to be in Portugal. I remember to be in Portugal, seeing Bellator and seeing campus fighting, you know. I was only a dreamer, a MMA fan, and I was seeing their campus fights, you know. And it's crazy that a few years later, I was sharing the very same ring with him, you know. but that's that's only the reflection of of my hard work you know like people say like when I say that I really really work my ass every single day like I'm not like telling this for the cameras or this like I whoop my ass on on the gym you know because I want this more than anyone like I just this is my life you know I sacrifice everything for this you

know and I will not like let anyone doesn't matter who is point in front of my of my target you know if someone puts it in front of it I just go through that you know no one going to stop me to get the top yes yes and I mean we're talking about this in terms of you know everybody now knows who Pedro Carvalho is after this fantastic performance I hope so yes yes but but did you feel as though Campos was kind of saying who is this guy do you do you feel like um he didn't expect that from you, like to go in there and get rid of him in two minutes. And in the way that you did so dominant, do you think that took him by surprise? Because I know a lot of guys from the US, they don't have the highest opinion of some of the guys from Europe, you know?

Yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know what was his knowledge about me, you know, before the fight. Probably when they offered me, he saw some of my fights, but most likely he didn't know who I was, you know, but I always take, actually like I was thinking about this going to the fight, like this guy, like, like everyone, like every single one of, basically every single one of my opponents, especially in Ballator, they all overlook at me, they all underestimate me. They were like, everyone on single level from Daniel Crawford to even like Luca Vicali on Italy. They all thought that, okay, it's going to be a walking apart. And man, if there's a wrong person that you can do that, it's me, you know, and I prove them wrong.

And I believe that with campus was a little bit the same. I believe that he also took me serious, especially after the wagons, you know, I made sure that my message passed. But he probably thought that it would be put me away in one round or something. And I took like that as my advantage, you know. to take him like surprise, you know, because no one is ready for the pressure that I put. And I especially knew that you wouldn't like counting on that kind of pressure straight away. So I just capitalized, you know. You know, when you have built this up in your head the way that you did

and the fact that Brandon, that fight couldn't happen and then you have this guy who's competed so many times in Bellator, how does that feel when you see him drop to the canvas? How does that feel when everything you've kind of visualized for so many, so many weeks suddenly happens, how does that feel? Like, oh, it feels great, you know, the feeling is great, but at the same time, it's just like it was another step. It's it. I didn't accomplish nothing. There's no time to celebrate it because I'm still a contender. I didn't reach my goals.

So, but yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know, yes, I know, but when they offered me the fight, I felt straight away that I was about to put the best performance in my life, you know? And this camp was particularly like, like the camp itself was great, but at the same time was maybe the worst camp that I had in one of those little injuries, you know, every single week I was getting hurt in some spots, you know? Nothing there was able to, like, stop me to fight, but was there. in my mind I was like this is going to be the best performance in my life do you feel it is when you look back on it

it was absolutely it was like the only thing that I have to point in what happened on that fight was he took me down and got my back was the only bad thing that I can say from my performance because I think

it's pretty clear that the performance was really really good you know of those body kicks man that sound they made it was crazy it was like a baseball about hitting someone yeah i know like once of my once of my main weapons it's it's my left body kicks i love them but um i didn't want to straight away shoot them because because as i normally do it i was like maybe they study maybe maybe they're already counting on so i just took my time especially because i've been focusing a lot on my boxing

even more, you know, to get better and better and better, so I just, like, prefer to take my time on my boxing, try to read this timing, you know, and once he thought that we were, like, engaging in kind of a scrappy boxing thing,

I surprised him with the body kicks and that was happening, you know, and straight away when I landed the first, he wasn't even, like, able to hide it, you know? he straight away he was like doing noises and okay I heard him

so I landed in the second one to try to finish him but like that's when you see like how good experience you know he is because even when he was hurt he was able to grab me and took me down and I was like oh shit like I was like

I did a hooky a hooky mistake you know to rush too much in but I just like took my time because I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm feel really good even with someone on my back I knew that it was like just a matter of time until until I get back on my feet and once I got back on my feet I just thought don't rush you know because I knew you were you were still hurt but I was like I'm not going to do the same mistake so I just took my time pick my shots and once I I landed the third body kick I was like

that's it you know yeah was amazing and I've got to ask you because I felt your first win against Daniel Crawford was unbelievable. I was in London to watch that fight and I can remember the way everybody was talking about Daniel ahead of that fight and I felt like you should, why doesn't

Pedro now take that momentum from the Crawford win but this one feels different for me. I saw you arrive out to press row in a beautiful ensemble. Can you tell us a bit about that suit that you wore? It's fantastic. I just like You know, I got myself, I guide myself my life, you know, in feelings, in an instant, in a bit of instinct.

I think about, like, things that are doing my life. At the same time, I just, it's like someone is getting my life, and I feel that I have to do, and I do it. I saw that suit, and I was like, man, I'm going to win this fight. And this is going to be my important win in my life. So I have to look great. So I just, me and my corners, we spent like one hour and a half trying the suit, the perfect size, the perfect everything, you know, especially because I was waiting, kept waiting, so we needed to do the right calculations. It's beautiful. And then once we have the whole package, we took the pictures and we just like, that's it.

We take this suit, you know. The winner suit. The winner suit, you know. and that's it. And in one, like, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this is the, my mindset that I have, and I know that in 220, I'll be world champion. I will have the belt around my waist. And that's a, unknown and for sure fact. Did you feel as though this one is different? You know, as I said, I felt you should have had more attention after the Crawford win, but does this one feel different? Because it feels different to me. Yeah. I woke up the next day and, and, and your name is everywhere. I see the, the, I see the, the, I see the,

of James Galaher, Brian Moore, two guys who said they wanted to be in the Featherweight tournament, they are now pushing your request forward saying, let this guy go in, he's the one. Does it feel bigger than the other ones? Yes, absolutely. Like, this fight, for me, feels like this is the beginning of my road, you know? The thing that I, since kids, I dream about it, you know, to start to make a happened so this basically is the I feel that it's is the beginning you know it was like the the big first step to what I'm going to I'm going to do it in the future you know the big first step of greatness that's it who would you be your ideal opponent I mean if you get this

place in the featherway tournament who would you love to start off against in the first round who would you love to face I don't have anyone particularly Come on, Pedro. Any one of them, you know. Just like, I'm being honest. I don't have any particular name, but if there's anyone, like, I let the crowd say who they think is the favorite. And once they pick the favorite, they can put against me. It's okay.

And then the second favorite. And then the third favorite. I'll fight the favorites until the very end. So, in their way, when I get the belt, there's no doubts. about it. That's incredible. So you are ready for all comers. You aren't, you, you are ready to put it on the line here. You aren't worried

about being strategic about who you fight here. You want the best guy first. Like, I think, I'm not going to, I'm not going to even talk about outside of Bellator, just inside of Bellator, like, you just see my opponent, like, my first opponent was Daniel Crawford.

One of the highest prospects in Europe. Absolutely. It was beating every single one by knockout. And I went there and beat him. Then on Italy, I took a fight on 10 days' notice. And I went out there 43 seconds. And now I fought one of the best in the world, one veteran, experienced guy, dangerous guy.

And I knocked him out. So I think if you see by my opponents that I don't have any problem to fight anyone, That's me, you know, like I'm a fighter. They become an athlete to be a better fighter, you know. These guys are all athletes. They are not fighters. They are athletes. I'm a fighter.

That's the difference between me and them. I'm a fighter, you know. And when that cage clogs, we're not going to, I mean, this is a sport. It is. But in the end of the day, this is a fight. That's why you say, I don't play fight. I fight, period. So with this being said, I don't mind.

This is what I love to have a scrap, you know. I don't mind to get hurt. I actually like it, you know, but they have to understand that when I go out there, I go with bad intentions, you know, because this is what I love. I love. Once the Lord is love, there's no Piero anymore. That's someone else, and that someone else is there to hurt them, and doesn't matter who they are. And so with this being said, I don't have problems to fight anyone.

And I'm a realistic person, you know, I'm not over my head, but I don't see anyone that I say that I have problems to beat. I truly believe that from everyone, they're possibly going to be on their tournament. I'll beat them all. Does it feel like it's going to happen? You know, when people have a natural intuition, they feel like, you know, this feels like, it is going to happen after the win, after being around the Bellator staff, after being around the media, are you confident that this will happen? Oh, yes, I am.

I am confident, you know, it's just the only thing now it's the confirmation, the public confirmation, and that's it. Once you see my name on it, you can be sure there in 2020 are the world champion. I've got to ask you one more thing, Pedro, before you go. I think this is very disrespectful, but several people have said to me that they think you are older than 23 years of age. And I keep telling them, it's because he has a beard. If he shaved off his beard, he would look very young. When people have beards, it makes them look older.

You are definitely 23, right? I'm definitely 23. I born in 8th of June, 1995. You're going to have to put up a picture of your passport. You know, like, every time someone says, that I just say that I look older not because of my appearance but because of my skill set already. Yes. That's very good. That's very good. And I agree with you after seeing what you did on Saturday night. Yeah, I'm kind of a little veteran, you know, like I train for 11 years already.

Wow. I started to compete with 16 and at my time in Portugal, there's no such thing as as like juniors or this or there, it was straight away. You want to fight? You go against the big guys. Let's go. You know? So I'm in this game for a few years, you know, already. And I have on my back counting like all kind of combat sports around like 30 or more fights,

probably 30, 32, 33. I don't know, but around 30 fights I have already in my back, you know. It's amazing. So I've been, I've been, I've been already in some wars. And so, it has been said, it's, right now I just feel, especially, and especially on my last fight, I felt the first time when I was inside of the cage, like, a calm. Yes. But a good calm, not a bad calm, because most of the times people are, like, calm, but I, like, empty. I was, like, last time I was, like, calm, but, you know, I was just feeling.

right there. I was just enjoying the moment. And this one, I was feeling calm and at the same time pumped. I was just enjoying everything. I was just making sure that I was enjoying every single moment, you know? And

I heard a kind of a motivation speech of a guy and I completely agree with him. The lion is the biggest predator not because he hunts his praise and something, because he absolutely loves the process of hunting, you know, he enjoys the hunt. Before he even hunt a prey, he enjoys the hunt. And I think

that's the main thing. True champions, true grades, guys, when they go out there, they are only, they are not only looking for the finish, you know, they are enjoying the process. The whole thing they're going to drive them to the win, they enjoy it, you know. So, and that's it. I just, I just, especially with such a high level as there comes, I'm going to take my time, you know. I have cardio to go all day. So that's not a problem. I just going to take my time.

And if the finish have to happen, it will happen, you know. So I just took my time and here we are talking. Amazing, amazing. And I must say, we need to get off the phone now because Pedro is actually going back to training already. It's Bank Holiday Monday in Ireland. and he is about to head off the training at 12. This is incredible, Pedro. Is this always the way it is straight back in?

Yes, yes, sir. Never was anything like different. I mean when I say I don't take days off, this is my job, this is my life, you know. People don't understand. This is my life. This is what I love to do. You can at least have a lawyer on Monday, for God's sake, no? I took a day off yesterday, you know, Sunday.

I didn't do nothing. The only thing that I did yesterday was eating pizza. So I think it was already a day off enough. Okay, okay. So at least, yeah, it's good that you took some time off. But, Pedro, thank you so much for speaking to us. I'm so glad to get to know you finally. And we all hope that you get that place in the tournament

because it would be great to see a guy from over here competing with the U.S. guys, especially after what you've already shown, you can do to one of the most experienced guys on the roster. Yes, thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you for getting me here. No problem.

Enjoy training. I will. I always do. Okay. Petro, thank you. Bye-bye. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much.

Bye, bye, bye. And we're back. Now we'll take a look at the weekend's action going forward. It's going to be a busy enough one with both cards. I think they're taking place at the same time. Is that correct? Is both them playing place on Saturday? Yeah, it would imagine so.

Yeah, it'd be roughly about. the same time. So it's UFC 237 on BT Sport and Bellator 221 on Sky Sports. And all our American friends check your listings. Yes. Yes. Don't listen to us whenever we're advising you on this kind of thing. Yeah, well, UFC 237, Rosammy Unis v. Jessica Andrade.

It reminds me of when Rhonda went over to fight Beth Kohia. Obviously there was a lot more fanfare around that this time around, obviously Rose probably doesn't have that same star power Rhonda being one of the greatest celebrities I think the USA ever produced but I have a bad feeling about this one for Rose I don't like it either and I think it's that trip to Brazil man

people don't people don't really understand what it's like to fight over there until you've actually fought over there and I think that could be a major major issue she has some serious stopping power as well Jessica and George oh my god she's a little beast and um you know been lucky enough to cover a couple of our fights in person

and a really likable sort of character as well I really always a smile on her face but literally that smile goes away when she's in the cage and I think we've seen this sort of I don't know if it's a facade but with Rose with this you know blank stare and face and all this when she's

on a buildup to fight week but I do I feel this is a nasty one for her I think the atmosphere in Brazil isn't going to do any favours I could really unsettle her man but what does it mean if she beats Andrage it opens up the division again massively and I think, you know, Rose has been so dominant in her last couple of outings that I think it would probably be good for the division. Which, if she won or?

If Andrage won, you know, it opens it up. No, but what if Rose wins? Well, I mean, if she wins in Brazil, I mean. What more she got to do, really? Yeah. You know, she's beating, you know, most of the top ladies in that division. Yes. And it will be tough.

It'll probably cement her legacy is one of the best ever female fighters because those two performers against Yonna you and JHA were absolutely phenomenal. I can remember when we spoke to Joanna on this show, Oylbeck, she was saying she doesn't think anyone could fight Jessica Andraj the way she did. And, you know, it's hard to really argue with her there because she jabbed the face off on Dajna. I agree. I agree. And I think, you know, we've seen And Raj as well kick on an extra level in her last number of fight. She's really sort of, I don't know if she's trained up her camp or whatever, mixed it up.

But she's definitely improved. And a girl like that to improve as much as she has done and win in the manner in which she's on against Karolina Koalkevitz. That was phenomenal to spark out such a quality kickboxer and striker like Caroline in the fashion she did. Incredible finish. Jared Cananeer is riding high off that David Branch win, second round finish of him in his middleweight debut. He's established himself immediately in the rankings, which is pretty crazy when you see that he, you know, coming off two losses at light heavyweight, goes down the middleweight beats Branch of former WSOF champion. And then he's fighting Anderson Silva.

Canaanair looks ridiculous right now. Like based on his performance against Branch, he looked unbelievable at the new weight class. But Anderson Silva is Anderson Silva, as we saw against Israel Addassania recently. What do you think of that for you? Is this the one where we finally see the crown slip from Anderson Silva, like in a dramatic fashion?

I wouldn't be surprised. I think it's been, we've seen it's lived. It's 44 years of age, you know? It's pretty much gone. That X factor that he had. Canineer, yeah, it's a weird one for me. He looked so good against Branch, obviously. It was pretty much dead in that 205 pound division.

I think this is probably maybe a step too far from. I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson pulled this one out of the bag, man. He might do it, yeah, he could decision. Remember Brunson, when you're just stuck in the headlights in front of him, it can happen, but Canaaner seems to have a real impetus when he's in there, so I don't know. It'll be interesting see if he can kick on and get some momentum behind them.

But, yeah, I'd just fancy Anderson here. Similar kind of situation with Alavi Volcanowski and that a lot of people are kind of saying, is this the time when, you know, Al-Lo gives way to a guy who was behind him in the rankings with Alexander Volcanovsky? Volcanovsky's looked fantastic. I interviewed him very early on in his UFC tenure. I've talked to him a couple of times, but six wins so far as a UFC fighter, I believe

five as a flyweight, I mean, featherweight, Mazuta Herota, Shane, Young, Jeremy Kennedy, and then the last two, most importantly, Darren Elkins and Chad Mendez. I mean, he finished Mendez in the second round. It's a great fight. I mean, unbelievable fight. And you fancy Alexander here, don't you? Yeah, I just think the manner in which he fights, he likes to bite down.

He's relentless. And we saw that he's relentless, yeah, totally. And I think that's when you can cause Jose Aldo problems. We saw Max Holloway do it twice. And, you know, he obviously bounced back against Jeremy Stevens and Adam Oikano, an incredible fashion and fairness to him. But I think maybe this is the time for Alexander at Volcanowski to shine a very impressive performer, in my opinion.

So it's a really evenly contest. Don't get me wrong. but maybe just on what we're looking at in terms of what style the fighters bring I'm going to fancy Phil Knotice here. What a win that would be for New Zealand again. And it's Eugene Barreman. Eugene Barronin, the city kickboxing.

He's not actually his head coach. There's another guy who looks after Alexander's head coaching duties, but he is very much involved in the camp and they're having some serious runs at the moment. Tiago Alves and Loreno Starrapoli and Francisco Ronaldo v. Carlos Diego Ferreira close out the main. card there's actually no European interest

on this card but look at him a claim someone. BJ Penn versus Clay Gweda, BJ Penn's Irish. So, I mean, that's a bit of a mad one, isn't it, BJ Penn compete and it's not even a whisper about it really? Yeah, I think it... Does it warrant a whisper? No, Clay will go through him.

Don't you know? Clay will go through him here, I think it's just a guy that's hanging on. I think we've seen it for the last number. Without a win in nearly 10 years now. It's sad to to see. It doesn't obviously know how to deal with a seven way from the sport. It's in the UFC, you have to take responsibility for this as well at times. I don't think

they know, they do enough. Like he's not selling any tickets for this event, you know? 100% and... What are we doing anymore? What are we doing? Exactly. That is, that is it. What are we doing here? You know, tough to see. Gide on night, man. Gita on night for me. Yeah, and as he said, no, um, no Europeans on the card, unfortunately, very disappointed with the UFC. on that front. Anything else sticking out to you there? There's not really much sticking out to me to be honest. Negare is going to be good to watch. It always is.

Orly Alves and Sergio Marais is a decent fight there. I always like watching Warily and Sergio brings it as well. You know more about this kind of thing than I do. I don't fancy this to break any records in terms of USA failure views. 100,000. Yeah. Optimistic? Yeah.

Optimistic? 100,000? Yeah, I think you're right. It's just top three fights of the card are the one sticking out there nothing really else a couple other decent fights good card list not too bad Francescoe Trinado probably bore people to death kicking off the main card

but yeah it's a good call it is it's not the worst Bellator 221 goes down in Rosemont Illinois and the big European attraction there is of course Michael Venom page with the most significant test of his life against Douglas Lima

you know I think back to the Paul Daly fight when I'm looking at this one Noel because so many people we're saying if Paul Daly can cause him this much trouble with grappling, Douglas Lema is going to eat him alive. How do you feel about that? Yeah. How can you not? Look at Douglas Lema, look what he's done in Bellator under the banner,

being really, really impressive. And I think it is. It's a step up again. You know, Daly gave him a lot, a lot of issues in the deck. A Lara, Laura. And I think Douglas Lema, if we look back, it was the McDonald's fight. I'm thinking of such a closely caught contest.

And I think if we look at, you know, grapplers. And that was pre-Jesus, Rory. Yeah, and I think exactly what I'm. Jesus, Rory was the vicious Rory MacDonald. And, you know, Rory's ground game is so good. And Douglas hung in there with him. So, yeah, I think this could be a long night for Michael Vennepage. And I think it could be the time where we finally see him undone

in his mixed martial arts career. Yeah, I would agree with you. But my God, if he wins, Jesus Christ. Oh, yeah, it's a huge statement. And I think it's a long overdue statement, Pizzi. He's not getting on the younger either. And, of course, the winner of that fight will go on to fight the winner of Naman Gracie versus Rory MacDonald,

throry coming off that win over John Fitch recently, well a draw actually when he was put true. The main event is very interesting there with Michael Chandler and Patricio Pip will a champ fee champ for the 55 title. Patricio's looked unbelievable lazy. Savage. And Chandler obviously got his title back against Primus

recently enough as well. Interesting fight that one on the mate. Like I mean these cards are on at the same time and there's going to be a lot of people tuning over to watch Michael Page. I guarantee you that. Yeah, you know, we were just talking about it there. You said you're going to have one on your computer and one on the TV. I'll probably do the same

Saturday 9. It's one of those ones where I think you look at the top three fights on both cards and they're both very appealing to a lot of mixed martial arts fans. And it doesn't stop there with Belldard 221. As you mentioned earlier, AJ McKevee, Pat Curran. It's a great fight. 13 and I know AJ McKee. That's a really good test

for him as well against an experienced vet like Pat Kern. You know, Pat's a really good ground game as well. You'd fancy AJ in the feat. It's a really fascinating dynamic and I think it's a further fight that puts him and puts him over well and I think AJ McKee man has just looked phenomenal and I got that

beautiful anaconda choke over Daniel Crawford in his last fight in his career he's just looked fabulous and I think we're probably looking at a future world champion here Curran's coming into the fight off three straight wins Emmanuel Sanchez Georgia Correcking and John Masappa so good victories there obviously he's fell to

Daniel Vichel and Patricio Pipwell recently Daniel Strauss another man who's been under the Belator banner and of course Eddie Alvarez but that's very top drawer and fighters, but I don't think anyone's doubting that AJ McKee is a top-drares fighter now. I think we all know that much. I think that's been

established. But this is a good step-up, you're happy with it? Yeah, very, very good step-up, and I think when you're beating the guy like Pat Kern, if he beats him, it's a further statement and it enhances his reputation, definitely. Jack Hager, aka Jack Swagger, Jake Hager, should I say, takes on T.J. Jones 1-1-0 against 1-0, I think he'll deal with him

Handley based on his debut, who he was very impressive at wrestling, and had the submission skills as well, which we saw. It was great. Yeah, and then after that, we go into the wilderness, unfortunately. Asker, Asker, might be an interesting one too. He's no Asker-A-Assaroff of ACB fame, ACA, should I say now. I don't know, really, honestly.

I don't know an awful lot about a lot of the guys further down on the card there. He's been fighting on Titan FC. He's been fighting on LFA. Look, I'm interested in the main card, to be honest with you guys. I don't really have anything jumping out at me when I'm looking down to these preliminaries. And so, yeah. So two good cards there. going to be interesting to see what happens.

Going to your head, Chandler v. Pitbull, who do you pick? Pitbull. Do you? Yeah. A recent form. Yeah, and he does seem to be like... Channar's very inconsistent, man. Even for, I know he was a champion for a while, but he has these tendencies to be a little bit sloppy at times.

And I think Pitbull might take advantage here. Sloppy. I'll make him extra sloppy for you. I'd love to see Chana in the UFC. That's too. Right. So on to our final interview of the evening. And we talked to Marvin Vitori, the Italian.

in dream who has just been confirmed is usata suspension for o's serene and he obviously is in with sean o'mali nico montano augusta mendoz and with usata coming back and saying there was no signs of intentional use a very tough period for all of these fighters i saw sean o'malley talking about his frustrations august al mendes is nearly bankrupted himself trying to prove his innocence and next of all here it is oh well you know you guys didn't intentionally use this and it's a tough break. Vitori is only 25 years of age. He's been off for over a year since that

lost to Stoilbender and just look what happened to Stoilbender's career in that time away. It's incredible. He's had fight offers for Tim Bouch, for Andrew Sanchez, and for Jared Kenaninear since he's been on the sidelines. He hasn't been able to take any of those fights. So he takes on

Caesar Mutante on July 13th. So we got his take on this whole situation. How he ended up in King's M.A. Italy and what his plan is going forward and he also had some words for Alois Theodore. He wasn't all that impressed with that performance and he recounted an old sparring story from back in the day. So good, good time talking to Marvin.

I thought he'd be named after Marvelous Marvin Hagler because he's a middleweight and Marvin Hagler moved to Italy all those years ago. But it turns out no, nothing to do that. All right. Well, there you go. Cool. I thought I would have a lovely little bit there on his Marvin being named after Marvin Hagler, but it didn't happen. these things happen.

But great to speak to Marvin. This is quite a long one because we had a lot to get through, so we'll see you in about 24, 30 minutes. MMAFighting.com, and I am joined none of our by the Italian dream himself, Marvin Vittori. Marvin, you have this big fight coming up with Caesar Ferreira in July. How are you, my friend? I'm very good.

I'm very happy to be back and very excited to do this interview. I've got to ask you, right, How does a guy from Italy end up in California training with Rafael Kedaro? That is a question I often wonder when I see your career. Yeah, my career has always been, like my training career has always been all over the places. So at first, when I was it, so when I first started in MMA, there wasn't that much in Italy. So after I was, after I stayed there for like a couple of years, I decided that if I wanted to make. like MMA, my life, then I had to move to take it to the next level.

And at first, obviously, I couldn't go right to California because it's the other side of the war. Then I'm just getting out of high school. And so at first I decided to move in London, and I trained a London shoot fighter for two years. And I stayed there, train and work there. And then I went back too early for like another six months. And then it happened that one time I came here for a week.

Actually, I was still in London, and I came here for a week for the Nogi Awards to do the competition for the IBJJF Nogi Awards. And we were doing a week at the Kobrini Academy, Jiu-Jitsu Academy. And I met Babalu there, Renato Sobril. Wow. And then so we kind of like got along because he was showing some wrestling technique and he used me as a partner to show a wrestling technique. And so and then we were talking about, I was like, oh, I'm doing MMA and I'm doing this

and that. And he's like, oh, listen, if you actually want to do MMA, the place to be is King's MMA. And so then I went back too long. and then actually I moved back to Italy. And then I did three fights there in Italy and I won. I won all of them. And then I had a fight against Jack Mason. And for that fight, I'm like, oh, you know, like this guy is very solid.

I might need like a proper camp. And then so I remember, like, I mean, I knew I talked to Babelow and I'm like, they told me like King of M.A. is a very good spot to go to be. And so that's why I first did the first camp here, and I go here. It was kind of weird that time because I came here. I saw I had a place this day, and I ended up not having one, and then I had to find some. But the first couple of days are kind of rough.

Were you homeless? I was homeless, yeah. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah. It's in. But then, but then, Luckily, a friend of mine, and then after it became a friend of mine, took me on his, me and my friend, because we both came here for, and it's called, his name is Jason Melly.

And we stayed at his place for like three months. And so I was training with him because Jessel is actually like a Caesar Gracie Blackboat. Wow. And so what was running with him and then going to Kings And that's how I did my first camp over here And then since then I just I kept doing camps Back and forth from Italy to here

And then About two years and a half ago I decided to move here And it must have been an incredible rick's Because you're so young, right? You're only 25 years of age Yeah Yeah I mean you know like one thing even though I knew that the circumstances

circumstances where in the where the I mean you know I don't want to complain but I was like um you know wanting wanting to do MMA at the highest level and uh being born in a 5,000 people village in the north of Italy is not the best circumstances but but but at the same time it made me very hungry and uh and um and so I knew I didn't have any time to to waste, you know, I can, so, I mean, I always have to work, to get the work. That's what I, when they ask me is always like, I always say this. I always have to work a lot to get the work, and that made me understand that I can't waste any time, because it might already take more time than what it should have,

that what it should have taken, because obviously nothing, training wasn't, I couldn't get to train at a good level easily. And so that's why I was, um, I'm like, yeah, man, I have to have to do everything in the smartest way that I can. Yes, yes, and it seems like that is working out for you. But of course, we haven't seen you in action now since April of last year when you fought a stoylebender. It has been announced in the last couple of weeks that, you know, you've got a ban from Usada, but they've said that, you know, there is no signs of any intentional use. I mean, you are very honest about this.

You came out. you told the fans from the beginning what the story was. But how frustrating has this been for you? Because I've seen other guys like Sean O'Malley. I've seen Augusto Mendez talk about how frustrating and disappointing it's been having to wait this long to find out what's been happening. Yeah, it's been crazy. It's been kind of crazy because everything happens so quick because in this whole year,

basically, that I was out of fighting. It's, I mean, the suspension was six months. But then after my last five, I was taking, I took like a six weeks off because I had some injuries that I was driving with me. So then I started going back to training and then this thing happens all together. When I'm going to go back to fighting, it's going to be more than a year basically than I'm off.

But obviously I would have never expected anything like that. And everything was kind of crazy because in this old period, I never knew, I could never make a plan for myself because, you know, you know, Everything started right away, and then the situation was always very weird. And even Uzada and Jeff Novinsky were like, Jeff Novinsky from the beginning was like, listen, your case is kind of weird because I mean, I believe you because it's like you, the level is so low. And, you know, this is the first test that you actually, like,

found you've been found positive and then ulcerin is a weird substance and it can happen to be in a lot of supplements and um you know you don't seem like the guy that cheats at all and then things like that and i'm like yeah definitely i just i don't know i just like i i went to check what it was usurans i actually never heard of it before and um yeah and i'm like oh it's a substance to get big and like uh to get ripped Like, what, I mean, say it's not, like, I never wanted to get big in my whole life, but I can't wait. It's something I get big too easily. So, yeah, but like I said, so, and since the case was weird, and since they had things going on about cases like Osterine, and since they had a lot of cases pending for Osterin, like, five or six, they were like, we are kind of like ruling this kind of like

situation. So in the meanwhile, we don't want to give you, we don't want to give you, like, we don't want to give you, um, uh, like, we don't want to, um, uh, give you like, like a time because the rule that we're going to do or like the meeting that we're going to have, my, my, my, my generation rule, and they're going to affect your case.

And so you're, you're basically on a hold for now. You're just on a hold and we're not going to tell you anything because we do give you like a like a time to to do then you know it might be more because it doesn't matter which kind of substance doesn't matter anything at the end of the day if you're not able to prove where it's from normally it's always two years doesn't matter you know so I was like absolutely like you know this is this is a very weird and unfair situation but from my side so I'd rather wait no matter what and so I was on a hold and and then I was a on a hold and I didn't know. One month, two months, they told me like, oh, in a couple of months,

we're going to know, but then they shifted back another couple of months, and then they shifted back another couple of months. And then finally, they told me, oh, at this point, we're going to tell you, but I was like, there's going to be another time where they're going to tell me, like, I'm going to shift it back another couple of months. But then actually, this time, they told me, and I was so happy, but what I always told myself in this period, I'm like, even, even, even, even more because I wasn't a hold I'm like

you know a fight can maybe happen soon in a way you know even this can happen easily to be sold and then I might have a fight

in six seven weeks and even then obviously I'm not going to take time all this time off and just you know I want to I was like

I got to keep stay focused and then keep training and get better and use this kind of like like see the positive way and like

keep training but and so that's why that's what I did I just train a lot and just got better I feel like I'm a different I'm a different guy completely different fighter right now mentally and physically under every aspect of fighting I'm different and I'll show it and my next fight I'm I'm so much better is it do you feel exonerated now do you feel like everybody knows that this was accidental do you feel like as I saw you know trolls on the internet they always tried to chip away at you guys do you feel now everybody knows that this is this was an accidental case it's a very small amount do you feel vindicated because usada have said that now I feel like most of the people uh feel feel right about this like know that I that I haven't do it but then I feel like

other people want because they're just too lazy to get informed and at the same time some people are just, you know, out there in the internet, they're just, a lot of people that are just there to hate, they call them hated for a reason. And, you know, they, now they have this, but maybe they could have something, they could have found something else anyway before that. So I'm not really worried about those, because, you know, if there wasn't this reason to do it, then they would have another one. So yes, very true. So at the end of the day, I mean, I think that people that actually look into it and get give like I'm not saying a lot give like 30 minutes like not even 15 minutes just read the first paragraph the very first paragraph it says it yeah they

they understand that the case was uh that that that haven't that haven't did like voluntarily definitely but you know all the end of the day you can't you can't really give too much attention to what other people think absolutely yeah do you do you do you do you Do you know if this came from a supplement? You mentioned earlier that Osterine, it seems to be in a lot of supplements. Do you know if that's the case that it did come from a tainted supplement? Well, I tested a few, and I tested like five or six supplements. And I honestly, like I said, even back then I wasn't even taking that many supplements.

I was just taking like protein and some amino acid here and there. But even like I didn't have a fight coming up. And, you know, I don't even take that many. supplements. So I honestly don't know. Like, this is one thing that I would really like to know, but I think it will come down in the tumble with me because, yeah, I wasn't able to, I wasn't able to find it. And I just, we tried, but I don't know. I heard Austrian came from the weirdest places sometimes.

Like, I heard, like, like, like, one time was a case where they funded in shampoo, like, or, like, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's. It's very weird. So, um, I literally don't know. I literally don't know if, yeah. Yes, that's a, it's a crazy situation. Yeah.

Honestly, like, before I was always being careful, but now I'm paranoid. And I'm even, this, this is in a way, um, I mean, and at the end of, like, a lot of times, you really have to happen to, to understand it because I speak to a lot of other UFC fighters. and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm careful, but then I see they're not as careful. They're careful as I was me before, as I was as I was before. And I'm trying to tell,

I've tried to tell them, especially a friend of mine, I'm trying to tell them like, look, this is actually not enough careful. Like, this, like, you actually have to be partner with in a way. Like, you know, you have to check everything. You have to, you don't even have, like, you really have to know exactly what. I'm actually part of not about even extra partner.

Even like now, I'm meeting meat. And I'm like, you know I'm tripping like I'm it's great I heard John Jones speaking about it as well where he was like if someone buys him a drink he can't trust that the drink like he has to see where all of his beverages come from he has to see you know um even even guys like junior de santa's have said in the past since this came in the use other thing they they don't use any supplements they literally just stick to food as much food as they possibly can yeah yeah but you know like that's what I'm saying like um I hope this is, for example, for other people, because it is crazy because now the machines of testing are so sensible, sensitive that they can go down to basically, yeah, to go to Piga Ground, which is like, it's like 12, no, more than that. Like, it's a, it's a, it's, it's, it's, it's, like, it's, it's, it's, it's, like one thousand billions. Yeah, it's like, one. fraction 1,000 billions basically of a gram they can go down to see if there's anything. It's basically like 12 zero, no more than that, 12 or 13 zero after the point.

That's crazy. That's very, very sensitive. Grand, yeah. It must feel good to have this fight lined up, Marvin. It must be very, very good for you. Like, I mean, when you get that contract and when you sign it, how good do you feel? As you say, you feel like you're a whole new fighter now, but it must feel so. good to have that target in front of you to gear your life towards now.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's a long time coming. I was ready and I'm like, I just got to, you know, accepting something that is unfair makes you very strong, you know, because you just have to accept the consequences and just keep going with it and just know that doesn't matter what happens. You're going to keep training and you're going to keep getting better and you're going to make sure the next opportunities that you will have, you're going to make the most of them. So that's what I did.

And, yeah, it was a long time coming. I was like, I'm actually ready in four weeks, five weeks, if you want to, if you want to give me a fight earlier. But then, yeah, but then they told me 13th of July and the same card as my teammate, Benile Der Euse. Yeah, that's great. let's um let let's let's let's let's take that and uh but yeah i was i'm very ready i could fight i could fight in in three four weeks if i wanted to but um it's all right like i mean you know

i was like at the same time i was like there's no point to rush it like a month now and i've been training for this for for for this last year and uh you know a month is not going to change anything and I feel like I found a way to train, keep getting better, and not over-trained myself and get injured and at the same time. Like, I learned a lot about myself, too. Like, you know, like, a lot of times you go right from, you go right away from a fight to another fight,

and you always in a camp, and you always want to overtrain sometimes, and then you kind of hate the last four or five weeks, you kind of like did everything because I never stopped training really but you know like and that's why even when I get to a camp sometimes I feel like I don't know like sometimes I'm four or five weeks out and actually I would like to have the five even before that but I still have four or five weeks of hard training and I start kind of like hating that process yes you will now understand to just to just keep getting better keep getting like staying focused but at the same time not not being ready before time and um and so yeah that's what i'm doing and uh

obviously um there's still a while to my fight but like i said i'm not worried because i'm i know i'm not going to overtrain myself and i know i'm uh i'm i'm going to be i'm going to pick it up as the fight come closer i was listening to an interview you did with james lynch back in february And I mean, you've missed out on some big opportunities here. You had, you know, you told James that, you know, opportunities like short-notice call-ups against Tim Bosch, Andrei Sanchez, and even Andrew Sanchez, sorry, and Jared Cannon-Ear. I mean, these fights would have been massive opportunities for you. Is that, is it hard to look back on those things that maybe you could have fought them times apart from the situation with Usada? No, honestly, it's a right.

Because honestly, in this year, too, one thing I learned it's, I mean, I'm not going to be the most patient guys, but, like, I learned to be more patient than what I was. And I know things will come because I'm just, I'm just better than these guys than all these guys. And I don't, and I, and again, like, yeah, well, Andrew Sanchez and Timbo's didn't want to fight me. So that, that wouldn't happen anyway, because I accepted the fight in three weeks nowadays. I called him R2.E that didn't even say nothing. the guy probably doesn't don't even want to watch me in the eyes when I see him he's uh I don't think it's he won't any of me and team boat but yeah team both same time same thing like

he didn't he didn't want to fight me and then Jared Jerry County would have been crazy because if you think about it like I thought about it like we we were about to fight Jerry County And then we both signed. I think, I don't know if he signed, but I was, I was, I was very close to, to, to sign. Or I think I actually signed for Jerry County. But, I mean, it wasn't the process.

It wasn't, it wasn't, the discussion. And he was very close to be, I think it wasn't on a losing streak. And I think if he would have lost against me, maybe he would have, I don't know, like, you know, it wouldn't have done good. it wouldn't have be good for him but then he went and fought davy branched and he actually won't so from like being close to i don't know i don't know because you never know about the uca is yes absolutely from a losing streak it went to top 10 right away if i would have beat him if i would have beat him that wouldn't have meant almost anything because he was a he was on a losing streak yes and he was

you know so that was actually that would have probably been a very a good fight and he was a you know so that was actually that would have probably been a very good fight, but it wouldn't have meant much for me. But other day, like, there's so many of these weird situations in the EOSC that if you're good, you've got to beat anybody, and that's it.

It's just a matter of time until you get to the top. You know, you must... Some people have it easier. Some people have kind of like an easier way and some other, like, they have to go through anybody, but at the end of the day,

I'm not here to have any easy way. I can... I honestly, I'm ready for anyone, and with the right preparation, I can fight anybody, So right now I'm really, yeah, I don't worry about the past. It's past as past. And the end of the day, this last year, made me the fighter that I am today

and so much stronger mentally and physically that, let's say, now I'm going to take back anything that I missed, you know. Do you feel like it's a bad time for Cesar Ferreira to be facing you after this year on the soil line, after all these improvements? Do you feel like, you know, you're like a cage, animal almost. You need to get in there and have that outlet that you've been missing for the last year.

I think it would have been a bad time for anybody to face me right now. It's not just enough what it just says. You know, anybody that will face me now is a bad time for them. So, so it is what it is. We're fighters. We've got to, you know, we're fighters.

We've got to pick. Some people pick fights. I don't. And, you know, for calling me or so, for call yourself a fighter, I think you shouldn't pick fight, so they gave him this fight and he accepted it, and if it's good or not for him,

this is not of my business. I got to ask you, I follow you on Instagram, and I noticed last night it didn't seem like you were very impressed with Elias Teodoros performance. Did I pick that up wrong? Oh, man, that's this. Man, like, so don't get me wrong.

People are like, oh, the guy is 17th and Tuesday and 173, like, I don't know how, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm like, and this is, I will actually say a fun fact about this. I'm like, the guy, the guy win fights because, you know, it's not that. You seem like that. He looks like he can't fight. He actually, you know, as an MMA fighter, he has some skills.

Like, you know, he's a big dude. He's probably, he's probably decently strong and he's probably, and he's awkward as hell. I know, he has, he has some, no, high level, but he has some wrestling. he's um and uh and and and he has cardio and and he's kind of awkward very awkward you know but he has none he has nothing that i like in a fighter you know so he's he's so bad like he's so bad at first he's very like he's he's very ugly to watch as a as a as a fighter as a even as a a fan watching a fight, this is tremendously ugly. And then I don't think he has a, I don't think he has a lot of, like,

a heart in a way, you know, to kind of like dig deep when, when, when, uh, after a scramble or something like that, you know, to push through tiredness. And it's just, he's striking his heartball. It just kicks and run. And it's, it's just, it's just ugly, man. It's just, but, you know, like, if I would ever fight him, I would have underestimated but as a

as me watching it is awkward like I kept saying when I was there like my eyes are about to bleed right now my eyes are about to breathe I can't see this

I'm like these guys throwing like wing tune things like I don't even know like you're like throwing like punches from upside down and then vice versa

and then he's just kicking and running and then he's getting taken down and it's just awkward and then the way he moves like you know like was like give yourself some respect like i don't like like have some proud on yourself like

he was walking like he's just dragging himself around like i'll leave like show like make you look like you're not that tired like you're looking like shit right now like wow so that's some damning statement right there marvin what big statement oh i mean like you know i i i'm whatever like maybe maybe if you get caesar could I feel something? Like people, even people around me, my friends, they always say one thing about me.

I appreciate you because I know you say the truth. You say, you say what you think, you know, you don't, you don't filter it that much. Well, I filter it because I don't,

you know, if they're my friends and I, I want to say something that they might don't want to hear in a way, I might try to make it. Soften it up. A little like, soften it a little bit,

but I get to say, but they appreciate it. Oh, you appreciate it too. I appreciate it, too. And some people, and some people, a lot of people around you don't say, don't say the truth in your face. So that's what I felt yesterday watching his fights. But like I said, he's a very ugly fighter to watch,

and he doesn't have any skill that I like to see in a fighter. But I wouldn't underestimate him if I would ever fight him, because I know, I mean, I think it would be a very good fight. fight for me. But, um, do you, would you, would you like that fight if you get true Caesar? Would you, would you, would you enjoy? Because he is in the rankings, right? Yeah, yeah, I could like that fight.

I mean, like, uh, he's, uh, he's, uh, he's in top 15. I can crack top 15, beating him up. And yeah, yeah, I would like that fight. So I think it would have been a good fight. But at the same time, like I said, I wouldn't underestimate him because, uh, I know he's, uh, he's, uh, he's physically, uh, he looks like kind of strong. and he has cordia and he has some wrestling but um i don't know that it's yeah i don't i don't i don't like him as a fighter and that's a fun fact too this is actually my first camp by when i was

saying uh from um when i when i was here and i stayed with jason meli for the first pre-months in california for the venetral court he actually showed up at the gym one time he actually showed up at that gym one time i was at and uh because he at the time i think he was ever a little beef with Raya Hall and they were talking shit about each other or something. Actually, he was talking shit about Raya Hall and not really Rye Hall back. Rye Hall wasn't saying much, honestly, but he was talking to Rite Hall and Rye Hall was there too. And so he showed up at the gym and he was, I think he just had like a couple of fights in the UFC. He didn't have that many fights.

And so him and Raya Hall role and he was talking shit about like Raya Hall ground and then they rolled and Rai Olo tops him in a in a in a in a jihitsu role

and then I go and I was a one seven year back then still and I'm not and that's like four or five years ago I'm not even I wasn't even the same fighter that I was now and I actually

we sparred three five me against him and he was big at the time remember he probably was like 215 pounds on least. He had like 25 pounds on me or something. Well, no, well, no, probably like 20 pounds, yeah. And we sport 3-5, and man, I'm like, and I didn't know.

I didn't know him, I didn't know him before. Like, I didn't see any of his fights before. And, but there I was like, man, this guy is so awkward. Like, I sparred him and he just, like, he just kept running, even, even I was the smaller guy. And I kept going forward. I used in my box and he just kept running. 35 and

yeah and it just you try to take me down and stuff I'm gonna be just I didn't know but it was yeah it was basically he got in with one idea and he got out with another idea

you know like right all like he was talking shit about right whole ground and you got actually tapped and then I'm at one seven you're there I'm really you know nobody knew my name and it kind of like he didn't do shit to me too you know I got thank you so much for your time by the way Marvin

but I've got One more question. And I was wondering this because my dad is a huge boxing fan. And for years, he told me that Marvin Hagler moved to Italy. And he had a very famous career there. I was wondering, are you named after Marvin Hagler? Is there any... I know I wasn't named after.

But I'm happy that I have the same name. Yes, it's a cool name for a middleweight. He lives in Milan, yeah. Definitely, yeah. And do you get home often? Yeah, yeah, yeah. every three, four months I try to go home. And depending on the five months at a time,

but yeah, you know, Italy is still my home. Beautiful place. 100% Italian for sure. It's a beautiful, beautiful place. One of my great friends is Italian. His name is Daniel Sansovini. I believe he's from Naples or Rome. So he will be happy to hear that I've talked to you now.

Nice. Yeah, yeah. a lot of people here in America that have the stereotype from southern, mostly like, yeah, southern Italian or from Sicily, you know. And I don't look Italian in general, but, you know, it is, it's harder to see people from very up in the north from that immigrate, you know, like go somewhere else. So, yeah, no, just to say that normally, you know,

when they think about Italian, they think darker skin. and things like that. I think you pull it off though. It's looking good. It's looking good. Don't worry about that, my friend. No, no, I'm fine. But Marvin,

thank you so much for your time today. I can't wait. I can't wait to see you back in there. And I hope we get this Elias Teodoro fight set up after Cesar Moutant. Options over there. I'm not worried. Anybody, it's okay. I said even to my manager and my coach,

you picked a fight for me. trust you. That's it. I don't even want to see. You just tell me this fight. All right, and I'll sign it. So it's fine. Brilliant. Definitely. Brilliant. Thank you so much, Marva. Thank you. All the best. Bye-bye. Thank you very much to the Italian dream. Marvin Vittori for speaking to us. They're very interesting. Must be very frustrating to be in that situation.

You can tell he still really likes Usada being there, but it's a tough, tough situation. I heard the same of Augusta Mendes speaking about this. I think Augusta Mendes spent tens of thousands trying to prove us in us only to find doubt that it's had to come back with unintentional use. It's tough, very, very sensitive and a whole new thing for UFC fighters to be dealing with.

I certainly wouldn't consider Vittori or Omali in the same boxes I put T.J. Dillishaw, would you? Not at all. Like, I mean, and this has happened a bit, toys them off as well in this kind of situation. Yeah, similar sort of situations. Tess are getting more and more sensitive, man.

Yeah, I think that's where we, you know, we have to go back again to you know updating of the banned substance list thing it's a bit big issue which doesn't seem to have been resolved a lot since jeff noviti's get they were going to make a concerted effort to to um update that list in a more regular basis and i think that's a major issue um you know because the fighters need to be more um informed by usada of a killing period as well if there is a new thing introduced like i mean they can only deal with so much stuff and if you're adding something else that who's to say it's not in something like i mean it's not like these guys are

jabbing syringes and then himself every week. This is coming up in proteins. There's a massive lack of communication between Ysada and the fighters in a direct basis in relation to that. And I think, you know,

they're the first ones to jump on the fucking, what do I say? Jump on the stage and start pointing fingers if, you know, a guy isn't somewhere if they don't check into their app

that the fighters have. So I think, you know, it needs to be a little bit more transparent and the communication needs to be better. Yeah, absolutely agree. that kind of wraps up the MMA for this week, but how are you? You haven't watched Game of Thrones yet?

No, I'm going to watch it now in a while. You know, people think that... Season of shit? No, people think that people who think the season of shit are like the new vegan. Like, that you have to tell everyone that's how you feel. You know, it's kind of like you're like, oh yeah, well, I was there from the start.

I mean, I think it's great. And, like, you know, you guys don't know. No, that's the whole shit. I know dragons. I don't give a fuck. You don't know dragons. Fuck dragons. Look at him. He loves dragons.

No, I'm not saying that. I don't listen. I call it how I think it is. I'm pretty much like that. I don't give a fucking. I see some shit online. People going, oh, you know, don't watch. If you're like, no, I'll watch what I fucking want.

Don't tell me what I can and can't watch. I just don't think it's scudas previous seasons. I think you're just watching it to have that line. I'm not, man, I turned on a torch last week to bloody watch the feck and think. That was tough. It was. Thank you. Especially when you're not watching it in HBO quality, let's say.

But I'll tell you what Stop fucking ruin it All these people You know last last week's episode I won't get into There's a big climatic moment there Everybody was talking about it I hadn't seen the episode yet

I went on Twitter Straight away image of it Yeah it's annoying because it's on a 2 am Stop being pissants It's on a 2am here So I think people should stay off fucking line Yeah shut the Until the next day

Until the Monday Say Monday night People like oh Block the Game of Thrones hashtag Shut the fuck I'm not fucking doing that Yeah, fuck that shit. I don't even know how to do that, okay? So just watch your P's and Q's, your 30-odd years of age,

stop tweeting about what happened in a bleeding TV show, he's pricks. Yeah, no, I think there's more pressing issues in the world of sport, though, like Liverpool are very much worrying me now about winning this Premier League title after that Newcastle win at the weekend. Didn't deserve it either, which is even more worrying. Three-two. Oh, no, it's been a horrid season. But City are playing tonight, right?

Yeah, so I hope City win. who are they playing Lester which is a tough game oh shit yeah so oh the man the football I just wanted to end now after yesterday as well spineless from Pogba and the boys yesterday to spineless

I don't know what to say Jesus Christ that's what it is it was absolutely pathetic appalling performance No championship You look the old towns don't you Let's be honest a lot of these Millennial type footballers

are you know A manager shouts at them They want to cry in a corner and sulk like a little child. It's just the way sports gone. You can't say anything to anyone anymore. It's very upsetting. You need figures like Roy Keane.

You need the Gary Nevels, the scows. These guys like those back. Football is really sad in the last few years. Don't away about it. Yeah, look at the money the guys are getting as well. Overpaid little mercenaries is all their millennials. Get out of here. Is every week a bank holiday now?

No, listen, just appreciate that because we don't get a lot of them peatsy. We've had two, you know, in quick succession. Back to back. there is quite long periods here where we don't get one and you're craving for one so makes absolutely no difference to my life yeah it doesn't really either to me i work most every fucking day it doesn't really i just know because elaine's still at home that is a bank holiday where aren't you in work i'm a bank all right um same as me fuck all difference um what's this have you watched this these uh avengers films no i wouldn't mean to that i'm not into it either

but all that shit about that new film has made me want to go and watch every one of them so we Google how many of them there are. They're 22 with a fucking thing. That's what's ridiculous. That's like going to take me two years to do. Yeah, and I've probably watched about two of them. I've never seen either. I saw a Black Panther actually.

It was really good. Yeah, you probably, it's not my cup of tea, really. I'm not, like, I am a big film guy, but I'm very selective. I'm a fussy little girl about films. Like, Game of Thrones is sort of a push for me even to watch it, and I very much enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong. But, like, I wouldn't be into the Dungeons and Dragons kind of shit in general. It's the only thing I watch Game of Thrones.

Yeah, I don't really what. Like, honestly, I love, I love documentaries, as you know. I love sort of your classic films. I love war films. Good boys in the hood, like shoot-up, something like that. But, yeah, in general, I just, man, it's fucking sports my life. So, yeah, it's pretty much it. Consumed by the realms of sport and makes martial arts.

Yeah, it's a horrible, horrible, horrible existence. Sports horrible. It's tough. But, yeah. Don't get into media, motherfuckers. That's all my advice. that's all we've got for you um you know there's a real game now peterts you love darts i love darts is great um i have to make sure my car is still working so i can get home again yeah a bit of a

flat coming over oh man i'm gonna die in that car i want to say it on the record now i will die in that car no you won't i know i will and people remember this moment and don't say that i'm telling you remember this moment i told you i've seen in the future i'm like two pack Did she not about Two-bye? I was talking about with John out there yesterday Did you see that about

Two-pack? The lad's been dead For 20 odd years Yeah, but you know Shug Knight's son Have you seen his son? He's like a record But he's obviously in jail Shug's son

Has been going out And chatting at TMZ And shit and going Oh I'm going to Unveil Tupac He's been living in like The Caribbean and Zaire and shit like that

And I'm like What the fuck is this guy on? Is this guy for real? No, he's not for real Because he's dead Shug's son that we should have known better Yeah

I mean, unless it's the story about hanging vanilla ice by his ankles off the balcony. I'm not really interested in anything else. That's all about it. Yeah, so that's all we have for you is, folks. We love his loads. Take care of yourselves. It's a lonely place out there. Jesus Christ.

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