MMA Fighting - Eurobash: Episode 39 (w/ Jack Shore, Adam Borics)

Episode Date: June 11, 2019

On the latest episode of Eurobash, Jack Shore discusses being the latest Cage Warriors champion to sign for the UFC and Adam Borics underlines why he believes he can steal Aaron Pico's momentum at Bellator 222. Peter Carroll and Chris Fields look at the latest European MMA headlines. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and Noel McGraw is actually off in Porto in some kind of state. outside stag trip that takes a week and not just a couple of days. So we've drafted in the services of Team KF head coach, former Kage Warriors Middleweight Champion, an all-around handsome man. Chris Fields, how are you, sir? I'm great, yeah. My voice a little bit shot.

It was Corning at the weekend, but I'll do my best. I think I sound more luscious now. I think I might have made a slightly more erotic of anything. Is Laura happy with this? We're into Barry White territory now. Oh, yeah, it was at Matum. Talick at the weekend, I realized that I can't consume as much alcohol as I could when I was 18 and I was very mucky.

And I left early to get the bus home early, Chris, all right? That's what age I am now. Left early to get the bus? Oh, come on. I should also actually state that we're using one microphone because my other microphone actually gave it to Noel McGrath, who's too busy in Porto to do this podcast. So unfortunately, we're going to be, we're just living off one at the moment. He's on a stag in Porto, did you say?

Yeah, like, I mean, it must be an elder gentleman. I mean, Noel knows about 52 years of age, so. I'm guessing second or third marriage, whoever is. 52 years, right, still can't grow a moustache. He had a good moustache for a while. What did you do this weekend, apart from corner fighters like you're always doing? And who did you have an action? There was five of my guys.

We went four and one. The first fight was Taka Mandu. He won a very dominant decision. The second fight was Ryan Shelley. That's a kickboxer lad who had that viral chaos, is it? Or his brother? Which one? No, that's the slaggot.

Now, Ryan was the one with the left high kick knocko. He won as well. And then we had Camille, Camille Winston. Beautiful name. Yeah, yeah. He won. So that's kind of just what we say now at this point. Danny McGowan then was having his debut.

And a week before, there was an opponent change and a weight change. He went in and had an absolute war, but lost a decision, close decision. In what I would have regarded as fight in mind. and then Carl Gallowher defended his title. Is it true what I heard about Carl Gallower? We were just discussing this moment's going. When I said I went to Metallica, you said this guy won a title and then drove to Metallica. Yeah, he defended his belt in a tough three-round fight.

This is in Belfast, is it? In Belfast, got in the car and drove to Metallica. And I'm there, I'm like, just be calm with the drinks tonight. And he said, I just need to stay out of the mosh pits. I'm mad. Yeah, I love it, though. Love it. That is.

That's the spirit. Must be a far younger man than me. That's all I'm going to say, based on my experiences. Yeah, I wouldn't say you got the early bus home. It was in town for midnight. But, yeah, as we know, a big week of fights, a big weekend of fights. We have a new double champion. I'm just going to shoot through these headlines very quickly, Chris,

and we'll give our reactions to them slightly after. Henry Sehudo is the latest champ champion in the UFC. He got a tour-ed-round TK-O finish over Marlon Marlon Marys. Did you see that fight by the way? I mean, I was quite surprised by how he was able to overwhelm him in the second and tour because when I just looked at the first round, I was like, this guy's in trouble here. Yeah, I thought, like, Marais was going to run away with the fight. I thought there was obviously a bit of a change up from the corner,

but it also looked like Maroister started to slow a little bit. And Sehudo with that, like, kind of that grind, that wrestling grind background just to put, like, he basically smothered him with pressure. That's what happened. Yeah, he was unbelievable. will, Shevchenko, devastating, devastating K.O. Against probably one of the most durable fighters in that division, to be fair. And when you're putting them away like that, a head kick KO., nasty as well.

It looked like OI was down for a very long time. We're glad to see her come online yesterday and congratulate Chichenko and say everything's going well. But my word, that woman is, I think she's one of the best fighters on the EOC roster, to be honest, at the moment. Yeah, it's not a really deep pool there. So it's kind of like, is she going to have to step in? the other divisions to challenge people and see how she does. But that's tough as well because she's already fought Amanda Nunez twice, you know? But she even went the distance with Amanda.

Everyone else seems to be getting starched by her in the first round. She's an animal. Yeah, she's, um, and like this is kind of the unfortunate thing with the ladies divisions at the moment. Like you probably have, um, you probably have like in that division, it's probably only 10, 12 girls, you know, and she is at the very top of that. Like, so you're getting, there's maybe only two girls in the division that can give her run. and then she's done away with them.

So what does she do now? Yeah, it's a conundrum for the UFC for sure. UFC 242 got two new fights. Steps up in competition for Islam. Makashev, he takes on Javi Ramos, and Marebeck Toisimov will take on Carlos Diego Ferreira. Belator 224 on July 12th. We have Ed Rout, returning from his first professional loss

to Naiman Gracie against Keechee-Kunimoto. And Ireland's Kiefer Crosby is back in action against Jonathan Gary. I looked up a bit of stuff on this Jonathan Gary guy. He has like 25 fights, but it's a very even record. I think he's fought on Belator four times. I think he's two and two.

But he is coming into this, and I think it's a three-fight losing streak. I mean, we don't know much about this guy. We're not going to bullshit you. But it's a big test in terms of a guy who's competed a lot, and that was really my problem with Kiefer. Last few times Belator matched him, they haven't given him that push up.

I don't know if this. is a massive push-up in terms of skill, but certainly experience, I feel like this guy has way more, and the fact that he's been in Bellator and won in Belator will add to that slightly as well, but maybe not the known name that we kind of wanted to see Keeper go in against, I guess. Yeah, I would think with Jonathan that he's kind of, like especially his last five fights, I think he's lost four of his last five, he's become accustomed to lose him. So I think if Kiefer can put the pressure on, he'll probably look for a way out. It's a big US thing as well.

I guess that's a big deal for an Irish forward to be brought across to the US. It has happened a few times with Chenade and different people. I think it's in Tackerville, Oklahoma. Excuse me. Oh, Tackerville? I often get them mixed up. Son of a day in Tackerville, like they're so similar. Who doesn't mess them up?

So, yeah, I guess it's a chance for kind of him to, to deploy the flag over there and see if the the Americans are really into this SBG thing because they seem to be, they seem to be still kind of getting behind it, especially now with so many fighters in the Bellator. About 25 guys from SBG, I think, in Bellator at the moment. So, yeah, we'll see how that goes from

him. Aliak Barri has been released from ACA and his contract talk can begin with the UFC, at least that's the way people see it. Of course, everyone knows Aliq Barri has quite a checkered past in terms of his dope experience when he was a wrestler, so

this will be interesting to see how that develops, and if he does sign, what kind of reaction he will get. But Chris, this is the big one I wanted to talk to you about. BT Sports have announced that they're going to charge for UFC 239. We don't know the number yet. Sean Sheehan has been on to the UFC. They've said this will

only happen to a number of events, like a few events, like maybe Connor events, things like that, big, big ones. As we know, this is the big summer car with John Jones and a man the Nune is defending their titles. It seems like a bad move to me. I'm just, from my own point of view,

I feel like the casual crossover in MMA is getting lower and lower. My friends, say, for instance, aren't talking about cards the way they used to, they used to have a big interest. I haven't heard one of them talk about USC 239. And now to charge for it at 3 a.m. when guys are going to be waking up for that. Do you think this is a bad move?

I think it's a really bad move. I think, like, I think we're getting charged for it as it is. have to pay your subscription to watch those and and that's kind of they've been lucky that like we are diehard farms over here you know people will get up a 3m to watch but they i i just think they're going to push a lot of people away now i don't like i won't pay i i adore him i i am not paying to watch that shy a tree that that that was my immediate reaction as well when i'm looking at that i'm not doing that like i am absolutely not doing that like oh yeah i'm going to have to do it i guess but i still don't want to what you're hoping for us to do it's to do it's to

drunk guys come back from the pub and they don't care about those fights do you know what I mean that's that's the issue like like you might get them for a corner fight you might but like for this kind of fight it's just not going to happen I think it's a really bad move I feel like to be perfectly honest more and more people are watching these fights illegally than ever like I mean I know people who know how to watch these things illegally and they often do it and as soon as they do it the first time they're like why would I ever go back to paying for this I'm getting a perfect stream here online blah blah is this kind of pushing that kind of underground again like to pushing guys towards illegal streams i don't really understand the mentality of it i know they just didn't they just redo their deal with

bt yeah yeah yeah and there was murder if you remember when the 11 sports were meant to take over and they suggested that they were going to charge for pay-per-views there was absolute murder going on people were losing their minds so i i suppose that like one of the good things uh about like um like uh like uh britain and island for these kind of things is that uh we come together better over MMA stuff. And I think where we should all do was just go, none of us are going to get it. That'll be the end of it.

That's it dead. Then it won't happen again. I feel like the reaction has been like that. Like, I feel like everybody's basically jumped down their throat. I know I was away, obviously, at Metallica, but Sean Sheen was trying to get the media in the US. Can you please ask Dana White why he's done this? Like, we just need some kind of explanation here.

Nobody did, but you can understand. Obviously, they're in the US. This doesn't matter to them at all. They have a kind of a culture where they pay for combat sports anyway. they're well used to that and but i don't know like i mean do you think they'll go ahead with it or do you think with enough online traction people giving out shit do you think they'll actually kind of say right we won't do it i think the other thing is is that like like we are we have that culture we've been paying it like so we like if you're yeah i keep forgetting that we are actually paying for like

i pay for a sky subscription and then i pay extra for a vt sports to watch you see so i'm paying as it is i am not paying extra on top of that end of the story like you know what if it's even like a not even. No, because I just think it'll start at a tenor and then it'll be like 40 Euro for the bigger fights or whatever. They get us used to it. They just crank it up. No, no. We all need to take a stand here now.

Everyone needs to jump in together on this one. There you go. Chris Fields has called on the army of Irish MMA online and UK MMA online to stick it to the man. But now, Chris, we'll have to have a look at that epic card that happened over the weekend, USC 238 from Chicago. As we said at the start, Henry Suhudo with the... the third round finish over Marilyn and Roy's. You know, Henry's come out and he said, like, you know, this achievement, two UFC titles and Olympic gold medal,

he should be considered one of the greatest combat athletes of all time. I mean, if he wasn't so cringy, would we be actually having this conversation? Is Henry Sehudo an Olympic gold medalist? That's what I heard. That's what I heard, anyway. Really? Seriously, look. Can you, do you think, I mean, imagine if Chris feels like two U.S.

titles and a gold medal, would you be like, come on, lads. So, like, remember we're having this conversation about Alistair over him as well when he was approaching the UFC title? Because he had K-1 wins and all this shit. Like, is Henry to be considered one of the greatest combat athletes of all time? Yeah, I think he'd be considered a lot more if he was in, like, even just slightly heavier weight classes. So if he was a lightweight, I think we'd be talking with him a lot more. You know, the talking point tends to drop the lighter you go down. But his achievements are phenomenal.

obviously like an Olympic own medal is obscene in wrestling. And then to pick up those two titles, and to be honest, I never thought he won that to me, just Johnson's way. A lot of people feel that way, though in fairness. But these things happen in that way. Like it was a Thai fight and like I wasn't disgusted that I went his way. I just, in my head, I had it the other way.

And then his performance last night was, sorry, on Saturday, was phenomenal. And then the TJ thing, I think that helped a lot because TJ, for whatever reason, was just never loved by the fan base. And for him to go in and do that and then for it to come out about the EPO and stuff, I think that kind of elevated them a lot as well. And, you know, that run in itself, Demetrius Johnson, T.J. Dillishaw and now Marlon Marlowe's, that's pretty crazy, man. Yeah, they're three solid guys and plus, sorry, trod some bits.

And EPO doesn't help your chin at all. So it doesn't really matter, like, in that fight. Shit, I've been taking it for ages, hoping I'll be able to take a gig. One shot. You'd be able to run for a long time. But he's, yeah, no, he, like, he's achievements, phenomenon in the sport. I suppose his character is what's going to hold him back a little bit, which it shouldn't matter

and I've always kind of screamed off on rooftops. It should just be about the sport. But is he trolling us? Is he trolling us? I think he's trawling us, yeah. I think he's kind of just like, right, so it doesn't really matter if these people hate me or love me.

I just got to make them pay attention to me. And if the king of cringe, if that's the way he wants to do it, I'm ready to watch it, man. I tell you that much. I love it. I love the office. Yeah, that's what it's like. Every bit of me wants to look away, but I keep looking. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm like, oh. But phenomenal, at least. And that fight, like, you know, he was, like, he was badly losing from the first round. And it looked like the tide, it just was not going to turn in any way, shape, of form, and made some adjustments between rounds. It looked like Marais got a little gassy, and he just poured it on. Like, he really, like, he drowned him with pressure. He drowned.

I would have never believed it. you had to tell me at the end of the first round, Henry Seud was going to stop him in the tour. There's no way. But Shevchenko, we'll move on to Shevchenko. You were saying earlier that, you know, and I agree with you, the talent pool isn't a lot there at 125. If it's a relatively new division.

Like, I mean, it's most likely that Chukagin is going to go on and take on Shevchenko next after beating Jojo Calderwell. But, I mean, as you said, like, do you feel like it's only a matter of time before we see Shevchenko basically going back up to Bantamway and challenging Nunes again? Do you think it will become a situation where Nunez, and Chowchenko are such outliers that basically they're going to have to do it again.

Yeah, I think with those two divisions, you might find for a very long time there'll be crossover constantly because there's just not enough fighters in them. And people will not tune in to watch our fights. She's head and shoulders above everyone. Yeah, and that's their problem. And it happens a lot for champions. It kind of started to happen to Demetius Johnson a bit too. You know, when you started to dominate a division, another division that was quite like,

small yeah yeah yeah um so if she dominates for maybe and maybe maybe another one or two fights everyone would be screaming for her to go up this is the thing that a lot of people are talking about after now um after the weekend tony ferguson getting booed after an unbelievable showing in the second man that was violent and you know i thought donald did great in the first round and then to see what tony did in the second just basically overwhelmed him didn't give him a second to breed hit him in the body and then as i said um Sironi came out of that second round looking like he fought a lawnmower. We saw he blew his nose then at the beginning of the third round and was subsequently stopped.

The crowd were booing. I was very disappointed with that after what those lads did over the first ten minutes. I thought that was really rude and disrespectful. Will Tony Ferguson take on the winner of Khabibn, Ormaga Madov and Dustin Porre when they throw down in September? Everybody knows he deserves it. But with Connor kind of creeping back in and Dana White saying that rematch is a possibility, if we were just talking about meritocracy

surely it would be Tony Ferguson yeah I think if they go on either way it's a slap in the face to the sport to be honest the guys deserve this shot for ages 12thoy winning streak or something against really like top of the range guys and he

his performance at the weekend I'm a massive Donald Seroni fan have been for a very very long time but I kind of I thought this is the way the fight would go Donald have some early success and Tony he would just smother him basically. What makes him, like, you know,

we can look at this, we can see he's unorthodox and we can see this pressure he puts on, but what makes Fergson so special, so difficult to fight against? Like, how come everybody leaves his fights looking like they've been massacred with knives, basically, like their face? Yeah, like he doesn't stop in you.

He never steps back. He, like, for, and for his size, he actually doesn't fight with range at all. He just walks in and you wades forward, taking your best shots. That's all disheart and, like, you're hitting him. Like, so he only cracked him a few times, shook his head back, and he'd just be right in front of you again, hitting you again.

And, like, usually you expect, if you land, like, a good two on someone, they're going to step back, you get a little breeder. You land two on him, and he hits you two back, and then he's there, and he's hitting your tree, and then he elbows you, and he does some mad spinny shit, and then you try to take him down, he rolls around the place. And you know what I mean? Yeah, he's a bit of a nightmare to fight. Like, like, I could, because I approach watching a lot of fights now.

I watched him with, like, my coach hat on. As if you're trying to coach your coach. And I'm usually trying to coach, like, I'm always looking at it from the guy who's losing the fight, what I'd say to change it. And, like, when Serrani was going back to the corner between the second and the third, I was thinking, like, what would I be telling him to do here? And I was actually saying, I was watching it with my wife, like, and I was saying, I'd be telling him to shoot, like, just drag him to the mat. But he's so dangerous there too, but at least you're not getting punched an elbow in the head. You know what I mean? It's crazy.

It's crazy. Do you think he's the guy? Like, I mean, when you consider those matchups, like, at 155 at the very top of that division, like, do you believe, honestly? that he can give Khabib one of his best goals in that division? I think he beats Kabeb. Yeah, I think

he beats Kabebebe and I think he shows everyone how to beat Kibib. I think... Sets the blueprint. We've seen that so many times in this sport.

Yeah, I think he just walks him down. Kabe will go for the... Like, one of the things I said about Connor's last fight, what I was expecting and not what happened the game plan from...

For Connor, like from his coaching staff, was to kind of stay calm on your back instead of scramble like a lunatic. Ferguson was scramble like a lunatic. We all know that Khabibb is gassy. Tony's got the best scrambles in the sport, I think.

Yeah, and he's dangerous in the scramble. Tom says this about my jihitsu, and Ferguson is an extreme version of it. He actually does his best work when the position breaks down. Like when there is no position anymore, he catches you with stuff. So I think he'll just pressure, even if Khab has early success with the takedown,

he'll just keep going, keep going, keep attacking, keep trying to get back up. And then by round three, he'll just be marching forward. I think he knocks him out. Well, well, we had this little bantamite tournament going on that night. Peter Yan v. Jimmy Rivera

and Al Jermaine Sterling v. Pedro Munoz. Right at the very top of that division, Peter Jan wants a title shot. Obviously, Aljo wants a title shot now after getting their wins. But just firstly on Jan, this guy's come out of nowhere. He's 5'0 inside a year with the UFC, obviously a former ACB champion. He looks like the genuine article.

Of course, it's a huge advantage, being a rushing, being able to compete in the US. And I believe, he's off to the races now. I feel like if it's not a title shot, and I'm sure Aljo's the same, if it's not a title shot next, it's one and then the title shot. I mean, have you been impressed by what you've seen in this guy? Yeah, I like that fight, actually. Him and Jimmy Rivera's good matchmaking by the UFC. You kind of get to see where he's at. I actually thought Rogan started to pick up between, in the last round on Jimmy Rivera's corner, telling

them to go out and almost plant his feet. I thought that was the right thing to say, and you see last round is when he gave Peter Yan the most trouble because he said I'm not backing up anymore. I don't know if Yan has the skill set to beat Suhudo other than like a

like yeah I think I think Sehuda's very well rounded like and he's like he's like he's going to be able to push Jan into situations Rivera at Cunting in terms of grappling you could see Rivera at times he was he was

trying to grapple but Jan was just too strong but when you're talking about Olympic caliber a wrestler, you'd think that Suhudo would have enough to get him down and then we're really going to see him testing the grappling exchanges. Yeah, and I think to mix that then with the striking, Sehudo moves quite well. Yan is like a boxing style as well. So you'll see Sehudo go back to that karate stall rather than the style he had against Morace because he was afraid of the leg kicks.

So he didn't want to do that kind of side-on stance. He'll play that with Jan, so it'll be harder for Jan to hit him. So I think, yeah, I thought that, like if I'm Suhudo's, coaches, I'm looking at that last round with Rivera. Yeah, yeah, and I'm saying add in, like, add in the feints on the shots or driving them to the fence and breaking and thrown shots, you know, this kind of stuff. You are particularly impressed with Aljo, Roy, and I've got to say I'm very impressed him as well, especially when you consider, he only eat that knee KO off Marois a long time ago. Now he finds himself for the first time really knocking on the door of that title conversation. And as we know, Pedro Munoz is no joke at all.

And what Pedro Munoz was saying about Aljo And the lead up to that fight is He won't strike with me He'll try and grapple with me He didn't at all He was throwing single shots He was keeping on the outside I was very impressed

With what Aljo done that night Yeah I feel like as well He landed the better shots Like the more damaging shots in the fight Even though he was like It seemed like he was fine on the outside But if you look at his Like he was actually coming in

There was a lot of kind of little overhandy hooks And you know all these kind of things I just know it was some answer analysts talking about this, they kind of, they've compared it to, I think it was Luke Thomas compared it. It's kind of like what John Jones does with his strike. It's single shots. He slows the pace down inside the fights and he was just throwing single shots, but he was doing it so effectively because Munoz couldn't really land, right? And Munoz is dangerous as well. Like if he gets into those range, he's going to give you trouble. Aldo struggled a little bit with the teep

to the body seemed to be the most dangerous shot there's been in Chown. It's not something I'd worry about from Sehudo too much. How do you think Aljo matches up with Sehudo and the wrestling exchanges, though? I know he's a good girl. Yeah, yeah. I don't think, you know, it's hard to, it's, it's an Olympic gold medalist and there's everybody else, isn't there? But I feel like Aljo's a lot bigger than him.

I feel like, you know, Moroes was as well, so I don't know what that means. But even just looking at his record here, Chris, the fact that he has Brett John's, Cody Stamman, Jimmy Rivera, and then Pedro Minos, you know, like, that's quite a considerable run. And I know it's four and out of Peter Yans' five and oh, but, He's got Rivera there. You know, he's already beaten Rivera decision the same way. I mean, he's more likely, isn't he? Let's be honest.

Yeah, I think so. And I think as well, like, you know, if you're looking purely from a marketing point of view, he's the better option for a fight in America, you know, it makes sense. Peter still can't, you know, he can feel like he's making big improvements with his English, and when he does have his English fully out there, he's going to be very entertaining because he's hilarious.

But, yeah, it is, it's obviously a huge advantage for selling fights. What about the option of Sehudo going back to defend the flyway belt? and then the two of them fighting for a number one contender shot i would love it i would love it i don't know if the ufc or al germain would be into it i'd say yan would would take it straight away you know because i feel like he's the one who needs to make up ground on al germane and you know that's what henry wants to do but you know and dana why kind of said that the flyway division is alive now it's kind of weird the way they they have that it's kind of this constant is it coming is a going kind of situation with flyway isn't it it seemed like they just didn't like

demetris johnson if i'm being honest like they didn't want the thing when he was there and now the king of cringe has brought it back. Come on the king. Long live the king. But we should probably talk about Blagoi Evenoff and Toy Dewey Vasa as well because Black Guy of course is representing Europe as well

Bulgarian. This guy's no joke. I feel like he's constantly overlooked. He was a former, he was a champion with WSOF, I believe. He was in Bellator for a while. Now he's in the UFC. He's had tough fights, but Toy Tuwifasa, man, that's a big step-up in competition for him as far as I'm concerned.

you know very very even fight but um good to have more europeans uh representing the the heavyweight divisions i'd say he uh i don't think people were expecting this but he outstruck him uh he outstruck him on the feet he looked really sharp with his hands like and uh i i don't want to be standing there with that boy you know what it looks like he could hit him with a cinder block in the head and he just keep chown at you but uh he was hurt a few times like so uh even even off it was even off is that heavy yeah He looks like he just, he has good pop in his hands. He looks like he never really got his wrestling game off, but he's supposedly excellent there, you know,

and he's got some good submissions. He's nearly died before as well. He's been stabbed and stuff. Yeah, Chuck Mendenhall wrote a great article about him a while ago. I think Mark Remondi did another one ahead of this fight, but really interesting, Kat. We've talked about Al John Pedro, but Tatiana Suarez, Vinina Ansoroff.

I saw Ariel Hulani, my great friend tweeting after this fight that the big winner of this situation at Strawway is Michelle Waterson because I think a lot of people thought Tatiana Suarez is going to go in and dominate Nina Ansoroff and then everybody would be saying she has to fight Jessica next she's got to be the next but it didn't really happen that way it wasn't really one of those spectacular finishes or one of these fights people are going to be talking about on Sunday morning is it? Yeah I think Nina Anseroff in her corner kind of in between round one and two kind of changed things up so they actually kind of kind of

in the second round accepted to take down a little bit more and played their guard stayed safe and I think then in the third round they'd kind of reserved with energy and they went at her then you know if they'd look great in the third round to be fair to her yeah but definitely no one jumping up and down I thought Alexa Grasso looked brilliant against

Carolina Colovic no mean feet outstriking Carolina and Alexa is known as a grappler really really impressive but you spoke to me earlier today about Calvin Cater you were really really blown away by this stoppage of Ricardo Lamas right? Yeah, phenomenal. Really like him. He looked like he'd made some adjustments to problems he's had before. He actually, one of the times he really hurt Lamos was when he checked the kick, which has been an issue for him in the past.

A big problem for boxers crossing over tends to really turn their toes in when they're standing to defend their body. And now it looks like he caught Lammis shrew leg, and he just stuck the knee out. So that means his toes are pointing at Lamos, which is the correct stance for an MMA fighter. I was just about to say that to you, actually, Chris. And then, like, he put that little tree piece together. Beautiful Roy Hant to finish it off, wasn't it? Yeah, and, you know, and I'm not just trying to get a little stab in here, but it's something I recorded it this morning and sent it to Ian Gary

because it's a combo he chose very well. I think it worked really well for him. Like, I was just some little differences that Calvin was using. He's very, very tight, similar kind of body type to Ian. that long yeah yeah that division you know tell in like any time he needs any point or just get on the phone uh give me a show i'll do a quick video for him me and the dog mostly on uh toe position and so of that that's that's what we're real specially man yeah yeah darren stewart great win for darren um he's motoring like i mean i feel like he secured his spot in the u s here was doubts um at that three fight

losing streak he went on then back with two he obviously went into that fight on a loss against edmundsia buoys and a decision win against bevin lewis i think that's got him motoring. I mean, and I feel like as a middleweight, you have a little bit more room. You know, you can make mistakes and come back out. But once he's back to winning ways, it's a good sign for Darren, a really likable guy. I'm sure you've met him at the Cage Warriors events, have you? I haven't actually had a sit down on him.

James was chatting to him last week, said he's a real cool guy. Don't mind him, James. He's trying to get into your head in case he has to come back. He seems to be getting brought across the fight. So they haven't really like, he's going, he's not fine in Europe. up a lot. They tend to bring them across America and I don't, like, I don't know what they're trying to set him up a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, they're bringing them over to fight Americans in their hometown or whatever, but I'm happy for him. He seems like from everything I've heard.

He's a real cool guy, so. Yeah, he actually told me, I spoke to him just after he beat spicy, and he said the real turnaround was that sports psychology. Do you, like, I remember you guys were like on the cutting edge of that stuff back in the day. I mean, did you find that good? Like, I know Carl really found a lot, he found a lot of good in it, didn't he? Yeah, Carl, Cole liked to use all, we were all kind of using it for our, like, maybe like a chunk of the team we're using it anyway. It's something I still kind of put across to the guys, but like probably to like a slightly lesser extent,

just kind of like some visualization stuff. And like when you're on your own, say at home, putting yourself like going to the night and getting all those little feelings and all that kind of stuff and going through the fight in your head and watching a play out and all that kind of. That's what I've always found that good for, you know? And then it gave me little triggers.

Like a trigger for me will be like, like, so I used to like burn up energy for three weeks coming up to a fight thinking about every little situation that can go on. And then what it did is it gave me triggers that like when I get my hands wrapped is the first trigger. So now it's warm of time. You're getting ready to go. And then when the Vaseline goes on a second trigger instead of what I'd be doing is eight weeks out, line staring at ceiling, shadow boxing in my bed like a gum show. That's what I do. Before I record this podcast every week. I honestly don't know how you guys do that, man.

It blows my mind. It's one of the things that has always kind of. captivate me about the sport and the fighters that are in it. Eddie Weinland, back to winning ways. I think he was coming off a loss. Let me just quickly check that. Eddie's a bit of a... He's all over the map this lad.

Yeah, two-fight losing streak going into that against John Dodson and Alejandro Perez. Gets back to the win, call him against Grigori Popoff. Interesting guy. Yeah, like I remember early on, like people were talking about him when he kind of... Was he... Hennon Barre out of champion at the time, was it? And they were... Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they were talking about him, maybe, challenging.

and then he seemed to kind of be like coming and going coming and go and it's good to him get back to a win and it's like a bantam white cowboy saroni he'll fight anyone anytime you got to you always got to respect that though right yeah and finally oh it's so close yet so far joan carlowood i felt like this was the time she seems to be in a better place than ever she's put together a great winning streak of flyway but unfortunately the judges went in favor of kaitland chukagin a lot of people upset about this uh decision um i watch this on the bus home from slain i i I taught Chiquagan got it myself, but it was very, very close. You know, it's going to have to be a big, big rebuild to get Calderwood back into those kind of toilet contention places, wouldn't you think? Yeah, and she was on such a good, like, a little street there, and she was, she actually... Yeah, she did. And I was like something, I remember a long time ago, one of my training partner was telling me, Ash, like, Ash Daly saying, like, happy fighter is a dangerous fighter, and that's something I've always kind of put across to my guys, and it's something you could see what you want. and her game had started to round out a bit too

like she looked she looked better in a lot better in the grapment exchanges more recently you know like I guess a flyweight right there is a chance that she puts another two three wins together and you're right back there aren't you or like you know because it's like we're talking about because it's so um it's not deep

that telling them who like if you you know if someone pulls out a fight you're ready to go you're in you know I mean there could be a tile contender fight you know she's one of the big personalities even though she kind of doesn't like the media and stuff everybody seems to like her, you know, she's well-liked, she's a big fan base here in the UK and Ireland, so maybe all is not a loss for Joanne. We're going to get on to our second interview of

the day. I actually like to get your comment on this man. He's the latest man who has been signed from Cage Warriors to the UFC. He is the 91st person who was signed directly from Cage Warriors to USC. It is Jack Tank Shore. I've run out with superlatives for this guy many, many times. I mean, what a talent he is. I know you know Richard very well, his father. I know you guys, I see you guys tweeting at each other often, but, you know, as a coach, what impressed you most about Jack Shore? I think his professionalism, you know what I mean? He just, like, no bullshit, no silly stuff, goes about his business. His professionalism in the lead-up, his professionalism on the night. I kind of find, like, I've been looking at his team for a while,

I know a go through the boys that he trained with. I would have come up with them on the cage warriors seen like I said Chris Edwards and stuff with that and I have a lot of respect for Richard I'm trying to basically I'm trying to build something to follow their lead that's what I'm trying to do but like yeah Jack just how he handles himself and then on the night his performances are so professional

for a guy's age like he's you can see a clear leap up in technique or so he brings something new to the table every time he fights that's the way I see it you know I know it's a very basic way compared to the way you're probably looking on but I can't believe how he dealt with Mike Eccando I can't believe how he dealt with Scott Malone it was unbelievable for

Yeah, and he looks like his game has, it's like he's picked the right time to go in. His game is rounded out now. So like there's no one, like a vibe again looking at that where my coach has had on, and I'm finding him, I don't see like a clear path, like an easy path to beat him. So you kind of have to come up with a very deep game plan. You know, you don't just going to take him down. You know, that's not going to work like, you know, you put him on his back, he's useless. And there's loads of guys in the UFC like that.

But Jack is and he's well-rounded. coming from a good team, a lot of respect for those guys. And I'm like, he's such a nice guy. I'm happy to see him get there. He actually holds the record now for appearances on this show. I think this is a sixth. He actually wants me to ditch Noel McGrath and become the co-house of it altogether, he told me.

Well, we'll be back in about 15. We're going to talk to Jack now, and then we'll take a look at what's going on in the week ahead. And now, as advertised, we are joined by the reigning champion of Eurobash. Once again, I believe it is his sixth appearance. on the show and former Bantamweight champion of Cage Warriors and current UFC Bantamweight. So happy I can finally say it. Mr. Jack Shaw, how are you, sir?

That's some list, isn't it? It does. Former champion, UFC fight down, the ring, the new boss champs. I'll take that. All the best. I'm all good. Yeah, so, I mean, I should explain. I tried to get Jack on last week, and he was actually, he was going to do it,

but he was out in the middle of a boat, so he said, probably not a good idea. He finally took a holiday. to celebrate this success you've had. I believe you're away in Mexico. Is that right? Yeah, I went to Mexico just outside of Cancun for 10 days with my girlfriend,

just want to party, all there enough, and just a little chill out. I think I needed it after having so many fights in so many months. So it was nice to heal up a little bit and obviously back to work now with the big news that we had.

This might be the last holiday you go on where people aren't pestering you for photographs for everything like this because, I mean, let's be honest, we're off to the races now. I mean, I don't think it could have been a better run for you. I think when Cage Warriors are molding guys for the UFC the way they do, I think, you know, it starts to get very tough towards the end as we saw with you, Eckendaya, on Malone, two very, very serious fighters. And you managed to get through it and you redeemed your stock.

And here you are now, signing. We only heard about it, I believe it was two weeks ago. Graham Boyland teased that another fighter had signed for the UFC. and of course every single person in the world was like, that's got to be Jack Shaw. How hard was it to keep that under your hat? Yeah, well, it was a lot harder than most people, I think, just because obviously we heard about it quite, you know, about two and a half weeks probably before it actually got announced.

I think basically they sort of, Graham sort of verbally agreed it to an extent. And then, obviously, I think there was a couple of shows. There was like a streak of a few shows. we took a week or two for the contract to get sent. So I had to keep the quaves about three people who knew my family and my girlfriend, I was about it. So we wanted to keep our mouth shut, where it was hard to do because, you know,

people come up to me, are you fighting in October? I've been sane. So it was one of them ones. I was like, oh, I don't know. I haven't been saying. I was just lying to people's faces.

So you just had to leave the country, basically, to keep this under your hat. That's when I went on an old day. Every time went to go. And then they announced it the day before I went. It was bad timing all around. But then, no, I only joke. It was just one of them.

So if anyone was listening who I blatantly lied to before I go out, I do apologize. And I mean, what is that like, Jack? Like, I mean, you have made this your objective, I assume, from a very young age, given your action in this sport. You seem to be involved in it's one way or another ever since your teenage years. Is it quite surreal when that contract is put in front of you? And can you remember the situation, was your father which I know he's been a, absolutely instrumental in your career, Richard, Shore. Was he there with you when you managed to sign that document?

Yeah, it was really surreal. Like, when we first go word that we've gone to get on, right? My father was away for the weekend, and I was in the cinema with my girlfriend watching a film. You might have turned your phone off, Jack. Come on, man. I can't feel my phone vibrates. I got my phone out. And I, like, fight him and calls off him.

And I test, I was like, stop bringing him in. And he was like, check your WhatsApp. So there was a group then on WhatsApp, me, Graham, and my old man. And, you know, we were both a static. I think the last 20 minutes of the film, I don't know you remember what happened. I mean, just couldn't wait to get me my girlfriend,

come wait to get out there and give my daddering and see what the track was. But, yeah, it was madness. You know, that weekend. And then, obviously, when you had the actual contract come through, just signing it and everything, I'm reading through all the terms. And I think on the last page,

is sort of my name and signature next to Dana White. So to see that after, to see that, you know, we're on twice after pursuing it for so many years. And like you said, even as a teenager, I had that goal in my head before even had my first fight. So to finally see that, it feels like, you know, not a weight off my shoulders, but like a lifetime of work and a lifetime of commitment of sort of finally paid off.

But again, you know, it's now that's done. That's ticked off. It's on the bigger things now. I don't do, to obviously, to the first. fights and working my way through the UFC just like I did with with Cage Warriors. Yeah, and I mean, like,

what does that brand mean to you, the Cage Warriors promotion? You're so synonymous with the brand. You know, you're the face of the promotion there, but as far as a lot of people are concerned, and as we know, it is the proven path to the UFC in this area, in the UFC in Ireland. You're the 94th guy, as we've said.

But, I mean, is it hard to part ways with that total? Even though it's, you know, you're on to bigger and better things, the biggest stage in the world sport. Is it still, like, will you always look back on this time with Cage Warriors? Yeah, it's pretty sweet. Obviously, this was always the end goal. You know, that was the reason I went with Cage,

was because it had so many guys go through to the USA and there's such a sort of a feeder show or such a big platform to get that next stage. But, you know, they've always looked after me, cage warriors. Ever since my first fight, I've had loads of promo, and they've always given me a good push on social media. and I've become quite friendly with a lot of the guys who work there,

you know, a lot of the staff and everything like that. So it's a bit of sweet to leave them, but, you know, I'll always be lingering, especially at the Welsh shows. I'm going up to the night of champions now with my dad to do the meet and greet and stuff like that. So it's always a show that'll have a place in my heart and always, you know, I'll always be eternally thankful

and grateful for what they did, especially, you know, Graham and Ian, the management and obviously the promotional push as well. I'll never be able to thank them enough. Yeah, yeah. I mean, as far as you're concerned, I don't want to get you to get into, like, finance and stuff. But just to touch on it, like, I mean,

the fact that Cage Warriors, you know, you are a known commodity, massively known on these shores to the point where people are saying, like as soon as Graham puts out, someone's serving for the UFC, you have hundreds of people going, it's got to be Jack, it's got to be Jack. I mean, do you feel like that gave you,

you know, a better position, say, than most people when they are signing on with the UFC, do you feel like you were able to, you know, that helped you in terms of your negotiation being the guy that came out of the Cage Warriors and having paved the way for you to the UFC. Do you think that helped when it came down to sit at the table with the UFC, so to speak? Yeah, definitely, obviously, like you said, I was a little bit, you know, the poster boy in Wales and even sort of front of the UK, a lot of people associated as one of the top names, you know, as well of Paddy and a couple of other guys, you know, that get associated

with the Cage Warriors brand. And but another thing was back at, back in UFC London, my dad was up to be Marshman and Graham was up there. And Shelby sort of spoke to Graham about possibly

having me then, you know, a wink, wink, and I have Jack. And I think it, I also have three fights left on my contract and originally he was meant to see out all three fights. But so I think when

Graham said he was looking to move on, I think obviously he was more than happy. They were more than happy. have me and you know a person a good position because they obviously had showed interest before if a person in a position where no way we could dictate things but you know we could get a nice little contract and hopefully now get a nice little push because of having such a big name on you know like bt and and and fight pass already i think it'll give me that little extra push compared to some guys who sign in a route they'll be unknown yes yes and like when you think about those names that

have gone before you like everybody knows yuanian jay check Connor mcgregor michael bisming these people went on to win the big one, the UFC title. Like, I mean, do you feel like you are going to be one of these names that they add to that list in the future when they're speaking about Cage Warriors and the champions they've produced? Jack Shore will be among them names someday. Yeah, I 100% believe it. You know, obviously, it's a long way away at the minute.

Yes, yes, of course. It's the same as when I signed with Cage Roy. I was like, when are you going to fight for the belt? And I used to say that. It's a long way away. But that's obviously the end goal is to fight for that belt and win that belt. you know, wherever it happens or whether it doesn't happen, you know,

everyone should have that goal, in my opinion. If you don't want to be the best or, you know, the best you can be, then there's no point really doing it. You know, you're doing it for the wrong reason. So, but I'm thinking, you know, give me a couple of years to work my way up the ranks and get a bit of a name for myself, obviously, overseas and stuff like that. And I don't see why not, you know, there's, like you said,

people like Connor and Joanna and Bispin and Dan Hardy even thought for the back, you know, they all did it. So why not me, you know? I can be as good as I, as long as I keep training and keep committing like the way I am, I honestly believe the sky's the limit and, you know, I've got a good team of people around me. And it's just I'm looking forward to the next stage of the process. I'm really excited for it. Yes, and of course we know that the next stage in that process is getting you a fight,

getting you a match-up and getting a date. I believe slightly after the news of your signing emerged, obviously they announced the UFC Copenhagen card during the Stockholm event and I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong I believe you tweeted something that might suggest you would be interested in that date is that the ideal for you now

would that September date suit you down to the ground? Yeah that would be perfect obviously fighting in Europe as well it's not a million miles to travel but I mean I'm open to whatever if they say you've got fighting in Russia or America you know I'll do that as well I'm just grateful to be able to fight for the promotion

and I'll fight wherever they tell me but also European is not you know, sorry, Coppenegan is not a million miles from Wales you know, we could take a big fan base over there and it'd be nice to get on that card but again it's what there's obviously guys out of the peck in order than me that they might sort of put on that card first

so it's a matter of just seeing what they come to Graham with with the dates and the opponents and just taking them all the way. Yeah, yeah and I mean it's it's definitely one that a lot of European guys are trying to get on, of course. Everybody seems to be sticking their R in. And it's the first event in Copenhagen as well, which is always going to make things a lot more special. Now, I know, Jack, you are not the kind of guy to call out someone to trash talk people or anything like that.

But, like, in the most respectful way, I can possibly ask you, is there anyone that you would particularly like to face? Like, is there someone that you kind of look at and go, that would be an ideal for me? could get him for my first fight, I think that would be the best way to showcase what I'm all about. Is there anyone that's sticking out to you like that at the moment? To be honest, it's not, it's like, it's not in my mentality to think that way. Like, you know, in my head, it's a matter of, if I just fight wherever they put in front of me and show I'm willing to fight wherever's there and put on a show and a good performance and get a finish no matter what, then it's going to do more for me that way than sort of

calling for shots and calling for names. I think, you know, because then it could look as if I'm sort of trying to pick and choose who I want to fight. But, you know, wherever they put in front to me, obviously the end goal is the top 10,

top 15, but, you know, a fight or two, get two good wins, and there's no reason why I can't start pushing for that. And I know the level I'm at, and then, you know, I watch the UFC religiously. I'm a bit of a fan boy,

so I'm watching these top 10, top 15 guys. And, you know, there's no doubt in my mind I can compete and beat those guys. So, again, it's, I'm like a broken record I say the same thing long time. But, you know, I'll literally, I'll fight wherever they put in front me. You know, that's my mindset. And, you know, in my head, I got to be, I got to be capable

and have the skill set to beat anyone in the world. So, you know, wherever they put in front to me, shouldn't make a world a difference. Yeah. And I mean, it is, like, I mean, we talk about quite a lot now. It is one of the best divisions in the whole sport at the moment. Like, Bantam White is just on fire. It really is at the moment. And even with guys like Peter, Jan, you can see, and Nathaniel, you can see how quickly you can move, but just, you know, getting a few wins, putting a few wins together. Are you excited to be in that division? Are you currently, like, I mean, when you looked at the current state of the division,

you must be very excited. Yeah, really excited. Like you said, as good as the division is, there's always seems to be like the top 10 guys sort of get cycled all the time. You know, there's constantly new guys coming through. Constantly, like you said, Pete Nathaniel and Pete Dea and people like that. You know, they've had two free fights in the UFC, and they're already, you know, starting to push into that top 15, top 10.

So it's an exciting time, especially for a lot of divisions. You see a lot of divisions in the UFC now going down there. There's a lot of new stars emerging. And it's just, you know, it's exciting to be watching some of these fights and thinking that, you know, in a couple of months' time, that's going to be me and they're putting on the show. So I'm looking for to see what they come to me with and, you know, and dealing with our challenge and looking at how we get our next win. Yeah, I mean, like, have you been able to soak up what you've seen from Jack being in the UFC?

Like, you know, like in terms of visualization, I know it adds a lot to a lot to a fighter when they have gone through the fight week scenarios with their teammates and stuff like that like this is what it's going to be like when i'm in the back this is what it's going to be when i'm walking out do you do you have you had those experience and do you feel like you've you've gained a lot from them yeah well obviously i've cornered jack um i think two or three times in uh when he when he's fought in there so you know that that in itself is a little advantage you know i know the fight because every time i've cornered him you know from the minute he's landed, you know, fight week-wise. I've always been there for the full week. So,

you know, it's an advantage of me. Like you said, I see how everything works through, through the Tuesday right through to the way through to the way-ins, you know, white-day through to the how you warm up and how you walk out, you know, the set up and everything. So it's something that, although it's new fighting for the promotion, I've sort of seen what goes on behind the scenes and got a little feel for it. So it's not going to be completely alien, you know, when I, you know, when the fight week and the fight night comes. Absolutely. Like, and one thing we've constantly talked about, you is how professional you are for such a young man, how you don't really, you know, a lot of people

I find them kind of stumbling into this trash talk stuff out in terms of selling. They just see that as this is the way I sell my fights. And you've never done that. But what I was talking about, my co-host this week is Chris Fields and he was singing your praises. And again, with the way you prepare for fights, how professional you are, he says, you know, he looks at what your father has done and he hopes to do the same thing with his team. But, I mean, you know, how long before you're going to start throwing things up buses, Jack? That's basically what I'm asking you. I don't know.

I mean, hopefully never, but, you know, strange things of happen. But, yeah, it's never been me, you know, that trash talk and I'm acting the idea. I'm always quite grounded. And, you know, I've always been, you know, I originally started and come up in traditional martial arts, you know, Jiu-Jitsu and Combat Jiu-Jitsu and Japanese. Jetsu. So that sort of martial artist is always I've conduct myself, you know, respectful. And well, but

when it's time to fight, then, you know, we fight the harder and we fight together win. And then same in the preparation, you'll never catch me talking shit or, you know, getting personal and stuff like, I's just not me. You know, if I try to do it, I look stupid in you know, people would be like, what's this all about? You know,

this is no way I am. People, I mean, it works so well for people like Conner and Biscfit because that's who they are, you know, they got the gift of the gab and they they fast with a tang if I tried to do that I'd start sitting there in

and jumping off my words and people would be like this guy needs to get a grip so uh but yeah that's always

I've been and obviously um shout out to Chris as well he's uh he's always been um he's always praised me and stuff on Twitter

so and you know he's uh he's been about a long time so I'll have his praise uh you know it's nice for me to see I remember watching Chris

fight John Phillips years ago on on one of the Cage Warriors card so obviously been watching him for a long time but but yeah you know it's not it's not me talking

talking the shit and the trash. So even though, you know, it does give you that little bit of push. I think the time for that now is that sort of era is on his way out. You've seen a lot, a lot more top guys now.

Like, you know, you look at Seroni and Ferguson on the weekend. You know, there was no bullshit in the buildup. It was shake the hand, smile. And then when they added out, you know, they went to war. So I think, you know,

that's the type of route down sort of go down. Not that I'm asking you to call one of these guys out, but I'm just interested in, obviously you must have watched the bantamai title fight there at the weekend. I mean, how impressed were you?

you with Suhudo, I'm pretty blown away by the guy, I've got to say. Yeah, it's unbelievable, you know, to, that's, I mean, I know he's fought at Banton White once or twice before. Well, I was his first sort of fighting against an elite level guy at Bantan White, and, you know, he had an hard first round, you know, he got beat that pretty bad in that first round, so the grit and determination he showed to just get through the round alone, his leg was butchered pretty much early on. So to get through the round with some, and then obviously to make that tactical switch up,

but, you know, going at the second, we started fighting on the inside, and, and, and, you know, biting down and throwing a bit more. It's just to make that sort of adjustment mid-fight is obviously why he's as good as he is and why he's at that top level. It was unbelievable to watch. And as well as that, you know, to watch Morales, what him like he did in the first,

I know, shows how good he is as well. It shows that he's obviously, he's very elite as well. But, you know, Sehudo got that, I think you got that championship mindset where, you know, you've got to put him out or put him to sleep or, you know, but he'll break his arm, something like that, and get him out there. He's never just going to roll over and quit

because he's having a tough couple of minutes. So it was an impressive. It was a good fight to watch as well. I think you've done a lot for the division. And I think you've done a lot for the fly weights as well. Because obviously with Sehudo being predominantly a flyweight right now, he's just, obviously, beat the phantomweight champion. So there's no reason for the get into that division.

Now it shows they're just as skillful and just exciting as any other division in the UFC. Absolutely, man. Jack, it's been an absolute pleasure. And it's exciting just to think that, you know, the next time we see you're going to be competing in that division where we saw so much action over the weekend. It's absolutely amazing. And as I've said to you many times, nobody deserves this more. Congratulations.

And just don't be going on any holidays now before Copenhagen in case you get that call up. Yeah, thanks, Pete. I really appreciate it. Yeah, you're saying, I've done me going all days so you can interview me before it. It's like, come back to course. That's where it is. And you don't want to know more boat trips. That's it, man.

That is it, man. Thank you so much. And I'll talk to you again soon, man. Yeah, speak to you soon. Thanks a lot. Bye, boy, boy. And that was the lovely Jack Shore, who may be replacing Noel McGrath as the host of this show in the in the near future if chris doesn't want that that is of course but um we have the bellator

two two two card this weekend it's rory macdonald taking on name and gracey in the main event and i gotta tell you the big question for me ahead of this like usually i'd see that fight matched up and i go rory macdonald all day all night but after his last fight over john fitch that draw that saw him come true to to the next round of this tournament and the way he talked about jesus and all this stuff i mean does what what does that say to you? you more importantly than it says to me. Like, I'm only reading the words there and looking at the performance and thinking, well, this is not a good look.

I mean, do you fear for Rory going forward if he's like a doesn't have that killer instinct, doesn't want to hurt people? I mean, isn't that, isn't that an essential part of the job? Yeah, you know. Like, you know, you don't have to want to, like, you don't have to be a psychotic weirdo to do MMA. You know, you don't have to want to hurt people. But like, like, when I heard him talk that time, I was a little bit disliked.

disappointed. I just want to state this in case I get any backlash. I'm a big, a big fan of Fraz, but yeah, I think he's a phenomenal coach. And he seems like a real decent guy too. I didn't like some of the stuff he said after about him. Like, you know what? He should do, I know he, there's life changing and he shouldn't, you know, like a far, like that's a call. Yeah. That's a call. That's a conversation you have with your fighter by yourself in the gym. and you leave it two weeks before you have that conversation. You don't, that's not something. That's fresh.

Do you think them conversations had happened? Like, as a coach, do you have to kind of, straight away, you have to sit down and kind of acknowledge this and say, or what's going on here? If my fighter said that, we'd be taking a little bit of time and figuring out what you want to do next, I wouldn't be jumping into another five for sure. And I think, like, what might be, it might be burnout or he maybe take a little bit of time off

and he might get that goo back in him again, or he might just be done. Like, a lot of the stuff he's saying makes sense. know, like people, people have kids and their life changes or, like, just things change in your life. And, you know, he's very young, starting this, very, very young. Was, like, he's been in some tough fights. He's, like, he's, like, he's given, he's given everything to the sport. He doesn't know anyone anything at this point, you know?

It's lots of miles on the clock. Like, that's one thing that I don't think people overlook. They just look at his age and they go, he's still a young man. This man has been fighting at a very high level since he's about 18, you know? I think it's like, I've said this for a long time. I think between 10 and 13 years and then mostly people. should be calling it a day. Are you say 10, but I'm past that.

No, but 10 to 25 years. I just think, like, just miles on the clock. You know, it's not even your body breaking down. That will happen. You know, you're going to pick up more injuries, but it's more your mentality. There's only so long you can go through that day in, day out. You know, I hope that the old Rory shows up.

I don't think we've seen the old Rory for a while. That's the thing. Is this a good time to be fighting them, basically, for naming you believe? Like, what you're saying, maybe you should take some time off, I mean, with this tournament situation, obviously the dates are going to come ticking fast. If you're naming Gracie and you're looking at what happened in the pitch fight, a draw against John Fitch, first of all, never mind that. And then the post-fight interview, are you going to go on this could be the perfect time?

Yeah, like, if it's my guy, I'm thinking, like, if we get him in bad situations, he's going to be looking for a way out, you know what I mean? I just, like, how much is the tournament for? It's a million dollars for every winner. Yeah, like I'd say Rory's made a lot of money in his career. I don't think a million dollars is going to be that life-changing. You know, I think a bit of time off. I don't know.

Fraz, like I said, I'm of huge respect from as a coach and all. Maybe he knows, you know, he knows him. We don't know, or he knows Rory. Or maybe Rory's just a very emotional guy after fights and says some stuff that he doesn't mean, you know. But if I'm naming this, the time I want to be fined him. I'm not pushed on this common event, man. Like, you can't chop it up and sell it to me any other way. Chale Sun and be the automaticita.

Like, is this a rematch? I don't even know. I don't know what the story is. I don't know what this does for either of their careers getting in there again. You know, against each other. It doesn't really make a lot of sense of me. No, I don't think he has fought Leota Machita before. But I don't know.

I'm not really pushed on that. Obviously, Chale is coming off the last Fadar Emilianenko, and we have Leota coming into the fight off his Bellator debut, a win over Hafeo El Cavalio, the former champion. had him by split decision. But what does this, what does this do for him, fighting Chelson in here?

What, for Machita, like, what, Machita must be 40 now, is he? I don't know that both are 40, yeah,

and I don't really know what, like, is it just the cell of those names, do you think, more than anything for Bellator put together these big two names,

that had huge glory in the UFC, and it's a good kind of setup for, like for me, Caldwell v. Haraguchi, the common event would have made more sense,

you know? Yeah, but more people are going to know those two names. Chale and that is going to sell fights. It's weird sometimes some of the Bellator stuff, some of the stuff they do. Like they're basically showing you that the UFC's product is better by putting up two guys that the UFC didn't really want anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as their common event

and pushing them up ahead of their guys. You know, stylistically, five years ago, have been an interesting match. Yeah, I was going to say that. I mean, it would have been a very interesting matcher, but I like both guys. They seem like kind of cool guys and they're both like, they're both, well, they both were and probably, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I think Michita knocks chel out. Yeah, I'd say so too, unless it's going to be a trail on top of Leoto for 15 minutes.

Dylan Danis is back in action. It's the second professional fight this time against Max Humphrey, who has a three and two record. not the most prolific fighter of all time um dylan is one of the most uh inflammatory figures in the whole sport i'd say at the moment um he has uh done a great job of keeping himself in the headlines in terms of his social media presence and stuff like this but when you look at a guy who was as a lead as him on the ground like i mean do you see this guy max humphrey causing any problems to him i haven't had a good look at max's record i'll pull it up here his last point was a first round lot Loss via punches.

His last loss before that was a rear naked joke. He is coming off a loss on a local scene and then fighting on Bellator. So I think everyone knows what the idea is here. He also has a bandana in his photo. So, I mean, he's probably a brilliant fighter, is what you're saying? He's got a bandana in his photo. And he's a white guy. You know what I mean?

Not allowed. Yeah, not allowed. It's not cool. You know, he... yeah like the Dylan danis thing I don't know

have you ever had any chance to roll him like back yeah how good is he months um like I found Gunny

a lot better in my opinion you know I've rolled with better grapplers I like like

I don't know like I've even like guys like Kieran Davern I've found tougher for rounds is that because of their MMA experience

like when you're in an MMA like when you're grappling with them like you're going to know certain things that they're round I did on him was was like a jitter hits

around so it wouldn't be exactly he's perfect kind of but like he's obviously a high level grappler is he as elite as everyone says I don't know what like can

what Brown Belt Pan Ames is that his biggest like it's a guy who comes over here fairly regularly to try him with us Taylor Perman is was a Nogi

Pro Bowl World Champion so like and I'd roll with him him regularly like your brown belt pan anns or you know and uh like i yeah i don't really know i don't know why there's such a big deal made about him and then you have like someone at gary tonin and there's not a as big a deal who's at the mcgregor effect like do you think that's where it is a player i'd imagine that's what's happening you know like i don't know dylan that well never had many conversations with him from what i can see i don't really want to um so uh you know

he was not a big loss to my life uh he's just like i don't know like maybe it's all just just a front to get attention and all. That's cool. Like, but I don't, in terms of fight and it's hard for you to kind of, like, I mean, did you take anything from his, did you watch his debut? I did watch his debut.

Did you take anything away from that? He has no stand-up at all. Yeah, and so like, if I'm him, I'm going to ground. Did he not pull guard in that fight? Yeah, I believe he did, yeah. I think that's... Wrestling as well, and then he pulls guard, you know, and I think, like, obviously,

the guy that's ranked 36 in Kansas City is not going to give him too many problems, you know? but uh like does it say if he does though if he does have issues here like i mean is this what he should be doing like does he need to take some time off and really just focus on striking for a while i think he's going to get he's getting paid isn't he belator paying the money because he's like there's obviously people watching i'm sure we're talking about him yeah you know what i mean dedicated more time to dylan danes than anyone else so far probably let's move swiftly on i love colwell and keoggi haraguchi haraguchi haraguchi got a good uh test against colwell when he

came over to fight and risen but of course that was in the ring uh Caldwell was having more trouble, I'd say, taking Harriucci down and holding the position in that ring than he will in a cage but of course Kioji ended up submitting him. Big, big fight there and I really like this risen Bellator crossover. That's my favourite part, to be

honest. Yeah, it seems to be going on for a while, right? Like King Moe would have fought there a few times back in the day as well. I know from talking to you're a big Haraguchi fan anyway, aren't you? Yeah. But it's good to kind of be able to see two like how is that like how is that the fourth fight from the top you know what dylan and max are going to be after those god what's wrong with the m m mary world like it's savage that's a really

good fight and i'm looking forward and i love that crossover as i'll say again edwardo dants v one arculeta kind of round off the main card there that's a top fight at one forty five it's going to be interesting to see riggi bandeis the man we know as the guy who handed james gathers for his professional loss is back in action and against undefeated Patrick Mix. He's a really good fighter, man. I feel like people were talking more about James losing than Ricky winning the last time. You know, and he went in and fought Archie Lettitude to do his decision in his last fight, which was really, really showing how good this guy is and how high level he is.

You know, what do you make him? Do you think he has a chance to be a champion in this division? Yeah, he's still quite young, right? Like 22, 21, 22. Yeah, he's solid, looks well round. it'd be interesting to see where he goes. I haven't seen Patrick Mix, but he's got a pretty tidy record.

It'd be like these are the kind of fights. I think maybe that Arcolletta fight was a little bit too soon. I think that happens sometimes. He should have been bouncing around, having kind of like mid-level opponents for another fight or two and then moving up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But hey, that's the game, is it.

Mike Kimball, he is a prospect fighting under Tom Egan, a man, you know, I believe we used to call him television, Tom. back in the day and uh mike has certainly been making a name for himself i just want to check when that loss came was that in his last fight or was it the one before it was on his last fight he lost to uh john doma yeah wow um so looking to get back on the winning column he's had a lot of viral kos have you heard i mean do you still talk to tom a lot or have you seen any of this guy no i haven't actually i'm like like we chan social media every now and again me and tom he's got beautiful hair he's got some long ass hair uh looks it looks like a spark

or something. But yeah, I've seen a couple of the KOs. That's a kind of interesting fight. Obviously they're trying to build Kimball back up there. You know, and we'll like you'll kind of see where he's at after this one. I didn't see the loss there. No, yeah. But it'd be interesting. Obviously he has a bit of pop anyway, so we'll see how he gets on. And it's always interesting because we'll knockout power at Abandonate Division. Yeah. So the Hedah Hardy, Orleans, Hatter Hardy as I like to call her. We'll take on Taylor Turner as well. And here's one I'm particularly interested in.

Aaron Pico v. Adam Barracks. I mean, Adam has never lost. He was meant to fight James Galaher. I think it was last year and James had to pull out because of a hand injury. I've got friends in the press over and hungry. They have never stopped talking about this guy. They think this guy is absolutely top of the food chain. Everyone's very excited about him in the country.

And then what better way to announce yourself the world to fight Aaron Pico? but has a win over Aaron Chico Pico been cheapened by his losses but he's only lost a very experienced guys and when he's lost he's actually almost finished the guy rushed him for the finish like when I watched the Aaron Pico fight

I put a lot of emphasis on for my fighters is finishing fights like it's hard to be mad at him as a coach he sees the finish there he goes for when he gets caught I like that I like that about him uh... Bellator considering what like

other people are getting thrown Bellator throw Aaron Pico to the wolves He was like After his last time He was like I want to fight the best guys

I don't want a step down in competition Adam Barwick's Undefeated prospect I mean Like you're a four and two guy Now four and two guys He's fought

He has an elite background And has fought some good guys Against a 12 and a whole guy That's You'd have to think That Aaron's probably fought The higher level of competition Like that's

I mean he has to have He's fought the best in Belator But even We're looking at Adam's record here Like Yeah yeah Three wins already on Belator and his last fight was against a 25 and 6 guy,

which is impressive, and his last win before that was 11 and 1, maybe the Anthony Taylor fight wasn't that much of a big deal. When all else fails bring Anthony Taylor in for the W, huh? He's good, crack, and that's all we can ask for. But, yeah, I mean, I'm very interesting. Is this a potential launch path for this young man's career, do you believe? Like, I mean, I feel like a win is far more valuable to Borix in this case

than it would be Topico, you know? Yeah, it could be another one of those situations, or both of these guys probably shouldn't be fine each other yet. You know, they should be finding kind of mid-tier guys picking up another couple of until their name is quite known on Bellator and moving on. I like that approach from Pico though. He just wants to get in there and fight the best guys.

It's a breadth of fresh air compared to most of the shams. Oh, and that it is. And that's really the most interesting fights kind of, we've gone through with them now. So we are going to go onto our next interview, and it's a man that's going to take on Aaron Pico, Adam Boricko, I've been looking forward to talking to this,

so we'll be back to wrap this bad boy up in about 15. And now we are joined by a man we have discussed many times on this podcast, but finally we have the privilege of speaking to him. It's undefeated prospect and Bellator Featherweight, Adam Borick. How are you, my friend? Hey, I'm good. Did I get the pronunciation right? Did I pronounce the name right?

Yeah, yeah. Yes. It's getting better, getting better. Every time. By the next time you speak to me, I will be like a native Hungarian speaker. For sure, bro. Now, you are a man who has been going quietly about his business, but you have done some tremendous work with Bellator with your three and all run.

Just tell me how it feels at the moment, Adam. Does it feel like you're on the verge of something big with this contract? I feel great, man. So I wanted to fight more, but I had some injury. So first and all, when I moved to the US, after two weeks, I broke my hand. Oh, no. It sucks. But it was two years ago, so my hand is good after I did three or two fights.

I don't know. So, yeah, yeah, it's a big fight for me, you know. Yes. A lot of hype and everything. excited in the gym, everybody excited in Hungary, I'm excited too, I have so much motivation. I've wanted this fight, so yeah, it's so cool. Yes, yes, and for those of you who don't know, this is a big, big fight for Adam this weekend against Aaron Pico, a man who has been very, very infamous in MMA so far.

Tell me how you feel about Aaron. He is coming off the knockout loss to Corrales. How do you feel about what you've seen from him? so far. A lot of people feel he is one of the best prospects in MMA. Yeah, I think maybe he will, but not now. So, I mean, you know, I am telling you, and this planet, I am the hard worker guy, really. So since I move here, I train like, like, like who is the training camp, like two years. But really, I was so happy, you know, I was.

When I lived at home, I couldn't train like a professional. After I moved here, I was like, yeah, I wanted this. I have been waiting for this. I can train like a professional fighter, so I train every day like crazy. So I feel, I feel, you know, he got a lot of hype because he had a good result in wrestling and boxing. I was upset a little bit, you know, because, you know, I am undefeited and 12 and all and young and and number one in my country and I didn't get like that. You feel like you deserve the same push that he has been given by Belator?

Yeah, but but I understand people if, you know, if I get this hype, I can say that, oh, I don't need it. Yes. Yes. So you can say that. You know, I don't need this. I don't need this. I don't want to make money or something like this.

But, yeah, I just want to show the world who deserves a real hype. Yes, yes. And I mean, there was a lot of debate after his last fight. A lot of people were questioning whether he should have a step down an opponent. Now, you are, as we know, an undefeated prospect. You have never lost. Do you feel as though this is a step down? because I'm unsure.

No. I will be the hardest opponent for him. Do you believe that? Do you believe that he may be, maybe the matchmakers are underestimating you slowly? I don't care. I don't think so. My matchmaker is so excited for this fight.

He said he's so excited. So, so. we will see but but but no I think the battle tour means I am a top opponent for Picoe yes yes and I mean what do you think of Aaron when you see him fight what sticks out to you what do you think he's going to want to box with you or do you think he's going to use his wrestling I think he wants to wrestling with me maybe he will try to boxing too but I think he wants to wrestling with me Yes, yes, and a lot of people have said that after his two knockout losses, they think he should wrestle more.

So you are the man who will make him wrestle, you believe. Yeah, but, you know, I mean, you know, the wrestling is different and the MMA is different. So maybe he's a better wrestler for sure. He's better wrestler than me, but I am a better MMA fighter. I've got to ask you because, you know, this is a huge spotlight. Like a lot of people know who Aaron Pico is and even though a lot of us in Europe know who who you are. Do you feel as though this could be the biggest win of your career if you go away with your handraised on Saturday night? You know, I feel always, always my fight. Next fight is the biggest fight in my career because last time I fought in the US, it was the first time. So at that

time I said it was my biggest fight in my life. But now I can say, yeah, because it's going to be my biggest fight in my career yet. Well, well, yeah. So I agree. with you and I got to ask because you were matched with James Galaher last year or the year before I believe that must have really hurt when that opportunity went because like Aaron Pico James has a huge amount of hype right right right I really wanted that fight against James Galaher and I still want to fight against James Gagher just maybe I think he's scared he doesn't he now fights at bantam weight is that a problem like I mean you know He comes up. He will fight in June 22 in 140, catch weight, I think.

He tried to move up or something like this. Maybe I am not sure. But yeah, he's small. Because, you know, he has been there in Hungary when I fought. And he's so small, man. I am big in 145. I am big. I am so tall and I cut a lot of weight.

But he's so small. He's 135 fighter. Who do you think is a bigger threat to you? Aaron Pico or James Gellerer? Aaron Pico. James Gagher is like, it's okay. Everybody knows. Yeah, easy money.

So I never, I never, so like that. You know, if it was something, everybody just comment like some bullshit. Hey, you'll be a cop driver or something like this, and everybody hates him. So it's so bad. sometimes I'm sorry him does it make you annoyed when guys like James and Aaron like as you said earlier a lot of people

know who these guys are and you haven't got that big opportunity yet does that drive you? Does that motivate you when other guys are getting hype yes? Of course I have so much motivation and he's a tough fighter so

and I want a fight against the top fighters so I don't want to fight like like who is a two and one or something like that you know i want to fight against the top fighters and and yeah pico is a top fighter but i am a better fighter this could introduce you to the top of the division do you believe that if you beat pico do you believe that you will be looking at a fight that could potentially put you in the championship mix or do you think pico a win over pico is enough to do that already

I don't know man I am always just focus on my next fight so I don't think about oh what will happen after this fight because if you do this I think it's bad so I just focus on my my next fight I June 14 against Iron Pico when do you leave for the US are you over there already or what what way are you going to around to travel so first time i fought in bellator uh only one fight contract uh 2017 and i moved in so after that i got a contract and i got a visa so i moved 2017 august and yeah that time i moved here after two weeks i broke my hand but uh yeah i live here like almost two years so i train like like like yeah almost two yeah I train two years with

Harry Hooft and and the team well because before I moved I have been I have been here like two or two twins yeah just a couple of couple of weeks and do you like living there is this something that's been difficult for you or do you feel it's been an easy transition

to move to you know it's a first time it was it was so hard because I couldn't speak nothing well your English is amazing man I know I try because I have to learn so it's nearly as good as my Hungarian so you know the first time it was really hard and I miss my country and my my parents my friends but my wife she is with me so she she helps me a lot and it's much easier and my, you know, when my, my language is getting better, it's always easier. And, and it was crazy, you know, I just, I just watched these guys on the TV, and the next day, I train with these guys and we are friends now.

So it's amazing. I think, I believe, I believe that I have a best team in the world. You know, we have a champion, every organization won, UFC, a battle tour, so we takeover. You were in a good place, my friend, absolutely. And I mean, Laslo, the Hungarian journalist, I spoke to you off there before we start recording. He told me there is a lot of hype and Hungary around you. I mean, a lot of people know who you are. A lot of people are going to be tuning in.

I mean, how does that feel to have so much expectation on your shoulders? It's crazy, you know, because usually I head back every half year or seven, eight months. And after, when I head back, always is bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. For example, yesterday my friend was here in my place. He went to Hungary like two weeks ago. And when he came back, he said, hey, I was just sitting in the bar. And next table, they are talking about you. And it's crazy.

And you are famous in Hungary. Really? Yeah. It's crazy. It's getting better. But I wanted this because you. we have our good boxers in Hungary and the people love the fighting

but now you know it's MMA and the boxing is not too popular in Hungary but I want to bring back that you know I want to be our first Hungarian famous fighter yeah like yeah I want I want you know the people

watch me so yes you want to put them on the map you want to put Hungarian MMA on the global scale yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly I know I asked you what this win would mean to you, but what would it mean to the people back home in Hungary if you beat Aaron Pico? Man, they are so, it's crazy, you know, because I think in Hungary, the Bellator is not too popular. Everybody talking about the UFC or a couple of people who in the MMA, they are talking about the Bellator too.

But everybody knows Pico because, you know, his hype. Yes. So everybody is so excited. and everybody's like, oh, a medicine scare garden. Everybody is like, holy shit. First Hungary and fight there in a Madison Square Garden, you know. And it's crazy. I have been there one years ago in a garden, you know, in my first UFC fight.

I watched that. And now I fight there. So it's crazy. Everything comes fast, but I like it. Amazing, Adam. What a fantastic story you have. And it's been amazing to speak. to you, my friend.

Thank you. I'm really looking forward to see this fight. You have me more excited about this fight than I am about the Rory MacDonald and Amin Gracie fight. Yeah, maybe. I think, so I can tell you,

nobody trains harder than me in a hard-knock's 365, but we are the most hard worker on the planet. You know, Usman talk, Usman is, I am the same like Usman. Just train always, always,

the time every day just i want to just improve improve improve you know after when i i won my first um u s fight the next day i was in the gym so monday not next day because the fight was friday so monday i was in the i was in the gym so i want to just improve every day amazing adam thank you so much it's been an absolute pleasure for me to speak to you man thank you thank you thank you thank you my pleasure thank you and all the best hopefully i will speak to you again very soon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, my friend.

Bye, bye, bye. Thank you, thank you. Bye, bye. Right now, and that was lovely to talk to Adam Baruch. Thank you very much, sir. It was a pleasure. And now we can get onto the real stuff with you, Chris Fields. There's a number of things I want to talk to you about.

A number of things. First of all, I get to the most recent piece of news. Well, we figured it would be news by now already. Yannick Bahaddy, V.U. both of you guys have kind of verbally agreed via social media that you would like to fight a KSW in London. Have you talked to

Martin or Magic or anyone from KSW yet? Do you think that's a possibility? Yeah, I think so. I've said to them that both myself, we've done your work for you, last, just put the fight on now. I just want to fight. Yanix is also looking for a fight. I think it's a good fight for me. He always thinks it's a good

fight for him. We both agreed to it. Both of us have extensive records. Both of us have fought everywhere. So I think let's do it. Let's put them on. Let me strangle them. Yeah, and I mean, it's funny actually just seeing the way this fight kind of came together

because there's usually an epic amount of the shit talk. You're just used to seeing that there. Yannick's like, here, I'd really like to fight Chris and KSW50. You're like, oh yeah, nice one, Janick, I'd really like to do that. So he said, like, he said a while back, he said, you know, I'm looking to fight anyone or something like that. And I think my name was mentioning, but not in like any kind of smart way. And I said, yeah, I'm down for that.

just kind of went from there and we were both gone, you know, like, there was never any here. You're a bag of shit, I mean, it is just like, like two guys respect. Like, I respect him. He's fought, you know, he's put it up against a lot of top guys. I'm like, I don't need to be talking to you anymore. I don't need that in my life checking my phone every few minutes and see if they replied. No, you know, don't need it. Like, I'm not going to do it.

So I'm happy that it's just me and another dude willing to not talk shit, but then go in and try and out of each other. That's always the way I like it myself. I was very dejected when I heard that your fight with Albrechtan, one of the great prospects in Scandinavia at the moment, you were supposed to fight him, sorry, it was called off, by the way, I forgot to finish my sentence,

it was meant to happen at Superior FC-18, I believe, and that was like about a week after he fought on pride last time, right? It was three weeks. It was three weeks after. So, like, you had, like, you just, I think, I don't think it was this thing oh my God I don't know I think he had he thought he wanted to fight loads

he had his bell rung in the first round that fight now they said he was knocked out I don't think he was knocked out if you can fight for 10 minutes and you know established top position and dominate someone from top position I don't know knocked out is the right expression to use I think there's it like and most words can attest to this like you know

he took both those fights thinking he wanted to fight mad regally and I'd say after the fight set out the back and went oh man I don't want to go in a few weeks you know what I mean you're beat up, you're sore. I can understand that. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, right, so this is, this is what I saw as your path to risen.

We know for a long time, everybody in Ireland now, dogs in the street now in Ireland, that you want to fight in Risen now, and Albrexton has already been fighting in Risen. He's built up quite a, quite a good run there. They even, some even consider him as the next challenger to the 205 title. That must have hurt, because, I mean, if you had a beating him, surely you're on the radar then for the guys over at Risen. Yeah, well, that was the plan of taking the fight in the first place is to kind of let them know that I'm the guy that should be on that card.

So I think really the only right thing to happen now is I should fight him on Risen. And if, like, from his point of view as well, I wouldn't want that being left now that I pulled out that fight. I've always tried to match up with people if that happened. They'd be trying to catch them later down the line or whatever. So I think Risen don't have many light heavyweights. The champion has beaten Abrexton already. So why don't me in Abraxton fighting to see where he's at?

And like, it's good when you have a son with curly blonde hair that can kind of mimic, Carol, in training situations. How has that been going? My son does not look like the... I only talk about this on the way up here. He doesn't look like the bad guy from Ghostbusters. He's a legend, man. Tommy, what a Tommy going, man.

We're going to be hearing about that, man. I promise you in the future, even though Chris does not want us to be hearing about him. But what do you think is most likely for you next? like do you think that KSW fight makes sense to you are you confident that will happen or are you kind of in limbo with it at the moment? I hope it does. It makes sense for everyone.

It makes sense for them. Like, you know, Yannick's obviously from England so having it their suits them for bringing fans and all that kind of stuff. It also suits. Yeah, suits us the Irish fans. And it suits I've a bit of a fan base in London because of coaching James for so long

and all that kind of stuff. And then also like I've fought in KSW4 so who else you're going to get to put on you know this kind of stuff so I think it makes perfect sense for everyone involved and like I think I taught me and Yanuk could just make their life really easy like so well you saw me one from that

KSW 49 promo shot in the A-side so if he's want to get me one back KSW that's the fight I'd like please thank you very much I want to ask you about KSW 106 Sorry Jesus Kage Warriors well done thank you What a co-host this man is But it was those four drinks that you had At Metallica have you

I wish I had four drinks on Metallica. I ruined my life that day. But, right, so we were talking about Jack Shore being signed earlier on. Is that the ideal position when your coaching guys are on KSW? Obviously, we've got two fighters on this card. James Webb is defending his middleweight crown, once held by yourself, of course, against Antoyas Frederick, and we have Ian Gary taking his second pro fight against Teo O'Donjo. You know, when you're in that situation with Cage Warriors,

is that the goal, like to have a situation like Jack had, where he is clearly the guy with the most promotional weight behind him. He's a well-known commodity. They do a lot to promote him. He nearly becomes the face of cage warriors. Does that come into your thinking at all when you're looking at James? And Ian, like, that's basically the ideal situation to be signed by the UFC, right? Yeah, so, like, something I like for my guys is to go, when they go pro, like,

something, like, Ian was different. You know, he came in short notice to get that contract. So he went and took it. But, like, maybe have a fire or two and then get on the cage-wires. one because of the things you said like it's the clearest way what do we say 91 now 91 madness right

probably be 100 by next week you know yeah yeah there's there's like 91 guys have crossed over they like they build the guys and the UFC have an eyeball on it and they have the UFC's ear obviously about who's going through that's quite obvious from what's going on and the guys get used to kind of how a proper show

runs I don't know you've you've been backstage a cage race it runs very smoothly it runs like a UFC event you know it's very smooth and a lot of the same if you're fighting in the O.C. in England, it's going to be the same officials. Same, same refs, same judges. You know, so you're used to everything.

Everything feels normal. And then the other thing is that, and there's a big thing, is like, they sort everything out. I don't have to worry about getting the guys fights. That's what I do for my guys. So I'm basically managing and coaching all my guys. I don't have to think about that.

I know Ian's going to give them... He's one of the most underappreciated guys in all of MMA. I don't actually like Like all right Everyone in the UK in Ireland knows What the Indian does Knows he's the best matchmaker around

But really like how isn't he an internationally known thing Like I mean he's an unbelievable servant to this sport I'm surprised he was never picked up by the UFC As like their European or maybe like I think I think he's happy though I think he's very happy He's very content You know what I mean like

And I think I think that's kind of an all Ian once He's happy he gets to it And he likes I think he likes the local scene but now he gets to do it on the biggest day. So it's the biggest local scene you can do. It's the biggest European card. You know what I mean?

So he gets to see the lads coming through. Like you speak to anyone that's gone through to everyone loves him. You know what I mean? He's a gent. That's not usually a thing that matchmakers have. You know what I mean? It's not. I think he just he'll like, you know, he'll be fair to the guys.

They'll fight better guys each time. But like they won't be massive jumps and he's not trying to sell you to the wolves. You know what I mean? When you look at these fights, I mean, I mean, I'm not looking for you to tell me exactly what way is I'm going to go out. But take James's title fight, first of all, against the Toyas. Have you been doing a lot of homework on the Toys? What are you expecting from that fight?

Yeah, I've been watching a good bit on the Toys. I was slagging James because he did an interview recently. He's there, yeah, me and Chris come up with it. No, you don't come up with anything. You do what you're told. James, this is all him. I'm not saying anything, man. Like he was sitting in the room when I came up with the game plans.

Like, yeah. No, but, you know, we. we work we work a lot of specific stuff i've never been a big fan of that and i've always thought a bit of a lie that uh oh we don't prepare for any opponent you you prepare for someone you've always said that yeah during the there is no opponent but opponent there's absolutely an opponent and i've been watching him religiously and and like and you're a bit silly if you're not like you know what i mean imagine imagine like preparing exactly the same for tony ferguson and kabb yeah yeah you what i mean like it's just ridiculously yeah no not at all so uh like j like i've watched a good

but we have a very kind of straightforward game plan plan a plan B and plan C you know um one thing I like about James and uh he made a little error early in his career in one of his I think his second or second fight um and uh got an absolute bollicon for it and then from then on he switch you don't tend to show you away from the bollikins even as the fight is playing out chris which is always it's like some we'll having something extra to watch when they're watching your lad's fight you know I feel like my opinion is if I'm going to go in corny I'm going to take time away from my family in my gym and you're not going to listen to me i'm not going to go corny what's the point to me being there you know i always explain to the guys if you see something in there and i don't see it

that's fine if i'm trying to do something and it's dangerous for you to do it that's fine but if you're just not listening to me and you're losing the fight and the advice i'm giving is going to make you win the fight i'm going to be pissed after you're getting that hair dryer treatment out of the back yeah no absolutely and we actually saw a bit of that in engary's debut which brings me onto a beautiful segue into his next fight. Look, I'm, it happens very rarely on the Irish scene where I'm trying to calm people down. A guy with this much attention so early on in his career, it's a dangerous thing as much as it's a fantastic thing. And look, I'll be the first to say, I haven't seen a talent like Ian Gary in a long, long time coming from this show. And to see what he

did in his debut against another fantastic prospect than James Sheen, absolutely astronomical. His pro debut, biggest stage of his life in Cage Warriors. And here we go against Teo now again. another prospect a guy who's 2 and 0 is it is it something you have to be very aware of

when you can see this kid is getting so much attention and he's so good you know like I mean he's so clearly good

is that a different kind of challenge for you do you feel I think there's a nice kind of balancing here of grounding people in the gym what I mean is like

that he's surrounded by guys there are a lot further on in their journey than he you know and like I've said this for a long

and I've said it to Ene, so it's not weird. Like, Ian's going to end up a lot better than I am at this sport. You know what I mean? I can see that from, I said that to him after probably about two amateur fights. I can see his skill set. Skill set is ahead of my skill set when I was Cage Warriors champion already, you know. He takes information in really well. But he's got, like, there's a bunch of high-level grapplers here,

and, you know, they're going to mall them when he trains them. There's lads that are further along in their MMA journey. doing it a lot longer, they're putting him in those bad positions in the round. So he's not, like, yeah, very healthy for him. Like, you know, he comes in, Tom strangles him, all trying to strangle him. Anton, trying to strangle him. You know, no one, no one's going to be nice and one of the good things about him, and all my guys, and there's something I was putting in early on,

is that they go there and want that. They go to the jihitsu classes where there's guys who only train jihitsu five days a week, and they get strangled by them. But they know that their mission isn't to be the best jihitsu guy. You know, so they know that rolling with this guy is going to benefit them down the line. Do you have, like, draw from your own experience at all? Because people might not remember this because they aren't as big and nerd as I am. But, I mean, you were, you are very close in terms of the way Ian looked at now

and the way you are looked at very all in your MMA career. Now, I think there's a bigger eye on Urid MMI in general now. But can you draw from your own experiences from early on in your career? Yeah, you know, what I would say with Ian is he'd be a lot better at carrying it than I was. I've never, never been like, like, like, I kind of uncomfortable with it. Like, I've never, I heard one of my amateurs, you know, my wife came up to watch the fights in Open Belfast, and one of my amateurs, I'm not going to name,

because I said to her here, can you take a photo for this fan? And I was like, I've never referred to anyone. In my whole life, like, everything I've ever done, I've never referred to anyone as a fan. I don't see that. I don't, like, I don't see myself, you know. Just a big cringe shudder after she says it. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I just slagged them better. And that's probably the best way to approach those things. But, like, the likes, Ian can take it on his shoulders a lot better than I can. And, like, I don't know. I've never met anyone like him out the back before if I so calm and collected, you know, and just kind of, he, I think. That's a big difference from you as well, because, like, you'll be quite like me. You'd be an anxious person, roughly in general. So, I mean, is that weird to see?

Shit myself in there, fine. Now I'm not even going to get hit. You know what I remember Ruddy told me that before. He's like, I feel like I'm actually. more nervous for those fighting than my own fights now. He said it actually helped him deal with his pre-fight jitters because he was coaching so much, you know?

Yeah, but like, I'm sitting in a corner going because I see how much they put in, I see how much they, like even at the weekend, the Army guys, like James did one of the corners with me, and it's the first time he's cornered someone, and he, like, he turns to me just before the fight and he goes, I'm fucking shitting myself, mate. And he was like, how do you do this all the time? I was like, I don't

fucking know. Because I still get it for everyone. I still get it. Once, like, once I've seen guy put the graft in once i've seen him really like try and like and then i feel like he deserves it and i know how uh unforgiving uh uh fucking this sport is so like if you know you know you could be doing great dominating the whole fight everything's done pervert with all cam and then boom once you're i fight over you know what i mean i'm just gonna ask you like i mean we we talked about james's fight and heans fight what what fight are you most looking forward to that your guys aren't involved in that night there's a lot of them there's six total fights on that night it's absolutely

insane but is there one fight in particular I've got to say I'm really liking the top two fights Dalby v Houston and Grant v. Herbert I think they're unbelievable I think I'm really looking forward to the Dalby Houston fight I want to see how that one turns out I have a you know you have a keen eye in it

and I'm also looking forward to the light heavyweight fight because I'm going to call out whoever wins that bill oh my god well there's a curveball for you wow I want that I want the KSW fight I'd like a risen fight and then I'd like to fight for the Cage Warriors title before I'm done. That's another big

prospect there in Martin Hamlet. I mean, guys are singing this guy's prizes from Scandinavia as well. He's 5 and 0, very celebrated wrestler. I think he's won, like, something like 14 big wrestling honors. But Medesas is Bacoukas, who's an absolute savage of a striker we've seen in there. I'd like to see you against here, though,

so that would be very interesting. I feel like Martin might win the fight just because of a stylistic matchup, and I think I am an absolute nightmare for him. So he'd be getting called out, quick smart. Holy shit. Well, there is a is a, is a bomb to end this whole bad boy on. Chris, absolute pleasure, as always.

You are better than this than I will ever be. And I love doing it with you. And thank you so much for saving Noel's ass on his job, to be honest. And I've got a better tash. He's a way better tash, and he's got a bit of a tan. I hope you come back with something, Noel. Jesus Christ. But anything else to add there, Chris, are we all done

and we all wrapped up and ready to go? I'm all good. I've got to go teach your class now anyway. Do you need me to do it? Are you sure? You could probably do something on the foot position. Actually, you know what I'm about to lose in me shorts, man? But thanks so much, guys.

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