MMA Fighting - Eurobash: Episode 48 (w/ Darren Till, Ciryl Gane, Coach Fernand Lopez)

Episode Date: August 13, 2019

On the latest episode of Eurobash, Darren Till (12:00) gives an update on his status following his UFC London loss on Jorge Masvidal, Ciryl Gane and Coach Fernand Lopez (37:00) discuss the undefeated prospect's debut win at UFC Uruguay and look forward to Saturday UFC 241 heavyweight title fight. Hosts Peter Carroll and Niall McGrath look at the latest headlines from European MMA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Downloaded 2. Ghosts in the Machine. Available now, only from Audible. And welcome, everybody. It's the latest episode of Eurobache. What are you on, 48 or 47? I don't even know anymore. There's so many of them. There's so many of them. Who's counting?

You know, we had a big old event there. Well, I mean, a big event in terms of the first event in Uruguay over the weekend. And let's be honest, Valentina Shepchenko. She's not even introduced yourself. Didn't even have to break a sweat there. Yeah, I know she didn't, but you didn't introduce yourself. Start a show. Disgraceful.

Well, my name is Peter Carroll. No, your name is Noel McGrath. That is true. But everybody knows what my name is. Everybody. Everyone. But, yeah, how are you? Did you enjoy the fights the weekend?

I did. Yeah, listen, I went through, and wasn't a great invested interest in the car. But, yeah, I don't think we're going to spend too much time today. I think it was a pretty straightforward run through for Valentina Shoshanko. And obviously, Mike Perry's nose is probably the standout incident of it all. Yes, it was. Crazy sick.

It is actually episode number 48. All right. But what I was kind of taken aback by there is usually when you go to a place and it's the first event in a country, the atmosphere is usually crazy. I didn't really pick up an insane atmosphere. fair from your boy did you no and i think um i think the reason we're going to get that more and more is because the ufc don't promote our cards is that what this is it well come on let's not be around the bush carl we

don't we don't do it no for the last 10 years we're not going to do it now are we it's just the kind of week-to-week situation where they're only arriving on the week of the fight so it's like all right we have four days i just don't understand the model sometimes and i often talk about this and i've talked about it for many a year um in terms of why the ufc actually do this and they don't have less cards and build them up more, put more hype behind them. They're creating more stars if they do that in terms of a marketing sense for their brand and maybe starve the consumer a bit of the product. Because just like, listen, man, we all know and I think we all accept that, you know,

fans are way more selective now and what fight cards are going to watch. And I know, you know, if I was a casual fan, obviously I'm not, I'm a hardcore fucking gobshite like you. We have to watch all the cards. And sometimes you are, you're just like, oh, God, just give us a fucking weekend off. Do you know what I mean? Do you ever notice when? when it is like that when they leave it,

they leave a gap of a week. We're chomping at the bit, like, but at the time the next UFC card comes like, I wouldn't go a week, yeah. Maybe, maybe we, we are, but like that's not the general consensus. But I'm just saying it, it does add to the kind of allure of the event

if you do give it a bit of space. Like next week we have Diaz and it feels like that's just kind of sprung up today, you know? Like, really. That's sad because that like, you know, and I listened to that interview with Nate Diaz there this morning. Brett Ocamo's interview. Brett and ESPN, yeah.

You know, really interesting stuff from Nate and them. you know, I feel very much the UFC played that card to all wrong. He was a pay-per-view star after he fought Connor. He was, you know, he was getting serious amount of traction and they just let it fizzle out by not sort of treating him right. Yeah, no, we couldn't agree more. And I mean,

it's been the case of the Diaz brother since since day one. But, um, let's have a look at the news because we'll get back to Uruguay and of course we'll be talking about USC 241 later on. So, yeah, here's the headlines. Obviously, Shafshanko defends our title in a pretty one-sided main event against Liz Karmou.

that was the big event of the weekend. Cage Warriors unplugged. The bantamite line-up has been released by yours truly. Scott Malone will take on Jack Cartwright in one semifinal and then Josh Reid will take on Marco Kovasavich in the other semi-final. Very, very nice bracket there, I have to say. Also on that unplug card, it's the return of Joe McCau-Macalligan to the Cage Warriors banner. And he's taking on a French striking machine that Medi Ben Lactar, who is an absolute savage. Congratulations to Joe. He got engaged. Oh yes, congratulations, good sir. I can finally, you know, Elaine watches fights again. My missus has a bit of thing for Joe, so these things happen in the posh norty fighter. Craig Voifie Lewis Glissman is also on that card as well as Tom Means versus Decky McAleenan and of course, hot prospect out of Ireland, Ian Garry will make a second professional outing when he takes on Martin Harris. That's a good step up for Ian as well, four and five.

And if you've looked at Martin Harris's record, he's only lost to really good fighters, like really, really good fighters. I think that's the kind of guy Chris is in terms of what? Yeah, no easy fights here. No easy fights. Yeah, that's not an easy fight one bit, man. That's a tough, tough fight. And very excited to see him again.

Obviously, he had that heartbreak there, Cage Warriors 106 when his fight was cancelled at the 11th hour. But he still managed to make it a big event for himself, regardless of that, so it's always a good sign. Belator Dublin also has another fight. Very interesting one here. Two champions under different banners. Blaine O'Driscoll will take on Jake Hadley.

Jake Hadley, obviously, EFC, Floyd-Way champion, and Blaine O'Driscolliskel is the WVC Floyds champion. What? What happened? So they're going to be going at Belator Dublin. Also, Belator Milan. We have Oliver N. Camp taken on Giorgio Patrini.

That is the co-main event of the paramount portion of the car, I believe. And Goloor Bofondo v. Stefano Paterno, who I think is an unbelievable prospect fighting out of Italy, obviously, a former Kjorie's champion as well. They're going to be the common event of the Channel 5 card. I really like those fights, I have to say. Really, really nice for the Milan card as well.

But also announced Aspen Lad will look to bounce back from her first career loss when she takes on Yana Kuntzakaya in December. And then just before we got on here today, Newsom MMA tweeted that Mark D.a Kese will take on Landovanada at UFC Copenhagen. That's a pretty good fight to add to that card.

It's knockout written all over it right there, two stand-up guys like to stand down and trade. Very interesting scrap, yeah. Fernando and Mark about them. Yeah, so that's the roundup, but I knew as I probably missed a few bits and pieces. I was at a wedding this weekend, unfortunately. It was a fantastic wedding, by the way. It's just wedding season, guys.

What do you want from us? We have to kind of tune out for a couple hours every weekend for the next couple. But some talking points there just over the weekend, Noel, and we love our talking points. The UFC, as we said last week, have said that Masvedal won't get the next shot. Masvidal then does an interview with our beautiful Galaireme Cruz and he says he will fight Leon but it's going to happen on his terms the main takeaway there for me is that it's going to happen Yeah the once he starts talking and that means

He's putting it out there that he's interested He has Leon in his crossairs now 100% Exactly and he's probably had a conversation with Colby Colby is obviously going to get the next title shot against Kamara Usman USC already made a mistake by not putting on Woodley v Kobe when they should have So they need to go ahead and do that fight with us man And I think they will they oh to Colby as well, title shot, in my opinion, regardless of what you think of the guy in terms of

fighting, he is number one contender, you know, bottom line periods, whatever you want to say. But yeah, listen, once he's come out and started talking about that, he knows he's not getting the title shot. He knows Calvin is getting the title shot. So he needs to start selling something. And I think, you know, they're going to rewind this and go back to London. They're going to play that Loros Anko interview where, you know, Masblah walked over to Edwards and gave him a few smacks in the head.

because they missed a boat the first time and the UFC often when they missed the boat, they try and make up. And I think it's the only logical fight for Jorge Mazbado and Leon Thurley deserves it. I don't know where he's got this, it's on his terms. Why should it be on his terms?

It has to say something. I'm happy enough with that. Exactly, yeah. But like one thing I will say is if they are doing, you know, I know there's so many people clamouring to get on the card already, but if they're going to do Usman v. Colby at MSG,

why not put on Mazvedal and Leon on that main card? Why not? great. Why not? Obviously, we'll have to sit well with Horway Mazzvedal before they can make that fight. I think that's a great fight, like great, great banner fight for those guys. And then to be fresh in the viewers' minds with the title fight happening later on, I think it's perfect.

And they haven't done as well, you know, international fight with the card was okay. It was, it was all right. I came and went. I think they need to make up something to New York as well because, like, you know. It's meant to be one of a marquee events. So let's make it a marquee event. So let's make it a marquee event. Like last year it was okay.

Obviously, GSP and Bisping, you know, two fighters who. you know one of them is obviously retired that was actually really cool to be fair we don't know yeah no it was a good card i'm not saying that it was a very very good car but i think they need to start doing this with new york new york and really smack in the interest lines they do that with the trumps there in new york everything it's it's perfect i believe absolutely perfect

um another thing i saw amy caplin of fancited tweeting about i think it was last night or this morning is choy louis parry potentially signing for the ufc that's coming out a complete left field for me i thought he'd still with bellator is you know no i mean he fought in the UAE, I believe, recently and got an eight-second knockout, but it's just, like,

I don't know, I just, like, I can remember when he was fighting with Bellator, over here, was a Bamar or whoever, like, he fought Lucas and, um, Propojeck, and, um, I just wasn't, I wasn't bowled over by him. I think every time I watched him fight, he's fought to a decision against the guy

who he was meant to, you know, on paper, everybody kind of had, like he's going to destroy him, et cetera. Well, even with a lot of the UFC sign, as he said, I know he was obviously, big name coming in to mix martial arts. But what you're looking at with the UFC is there's a whole load of host of guys that, you know, people don't really even talk about a lot of signings anymore. Guys just show up on a fight card.

And they're not getting much publicity. So Choi is probably a way more high status than those guys. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So they're bringing them in in terms of that. But again, it goes. I'm not sure about the skill set, I must say. Like, I mean, will he be able to, like, I mean, I certainly believe you'll be able to compete in the heavyweight division in general.

But like, will he have it in the top 15? No, well, like, you don't know. You don't know because the thing with the heavyweight division we always talk about it is you know outside those top sort of three guys it's all sort of smacking around

it's all sort of what's the word we use games like loose chains jangling around in their pocket That's what it is Like one guy could win three fights Like Derek Lewis be a contender get his title shot then lose three in a row

And it's that sort of There's no real benchmark outside the top three They're all sort of gaykeepers You could be you know fifth one week 13th the next week it's very, very, very tight. So you can go into the UFC and make a push three-fight win

and you're looking at a title shot. Absolutely, absolutely. Final bit there, just talking point. Patty Huland will be releasing a book next month. So congratulations as a counselor. I just had Patty Pimlet in my head for a minute. Oh, his book is coming much later. But, yeah, so that's going to be interesting.

A lot of people seem to be excited about it. So congratulations to Patty and Chelsea and baby Shamas. All good news there. How does that guy fit all this stuff into his life? life at the moment. I don't know how the fuck you can possibly be writing a book, being a counsellor, running a gym. I don't know, man. I'm doing the podcast. Jesus, he has a lot of plates to spin at the moment. He does. The man himself. But look, let's get on with our first interview of the day. Noil caught up with Darren Till.

You see, Noel only pulls it out when it's the big lads, you know? You do, you do week in, week out, Peter. When we need the big guy. Talk long enough to get Tilly on board. No way. Till? Till not answering his phone? Two weeks. Tail not reply to text messages. Sounds about right to be honest. But great to speak to Darren. I'm sure it was. I haven't had the pleasure in a long time. But yeah, we'll be back in about 15 and we'll talk to you about different shite then.

It's been a while since we've had this man on the show, but great to have him back on. We haven't heard from him quite some time. Back on Eurobash, it is Darren Till. Darren, how are you, my friend? How's all with you? How are you keeping? Yes, I'm very well, mate. I'm happy.

I'm going to just left the gym, so I'm happy because I'm going to get some food. food we'll get we'll get to that in a minute about what your future's going to hold for you obviously this talkie goes to 185 so we'll we'll talk about that in a couple of minutes time but obviously there's a few things being going on in your life after that fight after that loss to Jorge Mazvedal the second loss of your career on the bounce

how are you mentally how's everything going uh mate uh I always knew I was going to lose I'd be telling him a lie if I said that my second didn't, you know, really hurt me. It did, but it's just a part of the grueling and vicious fight game we're in. So, you know, I just have to come back from that.

And I'm sure ahead in my long career I've got, there'll be more losses, more ups and downs, and I'm fully prepared for all. I just want to get better, as I've always wanted to get better. And, like, just train hard. And, you know, just, I was, want to be the best mate that doesn't necessarily mean 10 fights down the land

the best for me is my next fight and and showing the best the best type of me you know and win or lose just that's what I've been doing mate I'm just you know I've suffered them two losses now two losses in my career you know 26 I wouldn't say it's too it's too bad 17 and 2 mate it's not a bad record you know but obviously they've been on the bounce

but that's just a part of the fight game you just have to crack on with it and that's what I have done I'm just saying it now you know I've got a really strong manse at me so you know I just I crack home with things

definitely darned you know we spoke in Dublin literally a few days before the Woodley fight was announced that's going back a bit but you even sort of said to me then you you know you weren't really expecting

the title shot next and you did get that title shot a few days later but did the UFC maybe push you a little bit too soon do they push you too fast no I don't believe so no I don't believe

because I I believe when I look at the fight with Woodley, you know, a lot of people were saying going in that it was striker versus wrestling. Yeah, maybe it was, but Woodley couldn't take me down. He didn't take me down. He tried, and he's had his most strongest in the first round. He tried, and he never took me down.

He knocked me down. You know, he counter-attacked my attack, and knocked me down, and then submitting me that, that was the thing. But when I look back at it, I know I can beat Woodley. I know I've got the skill set right now to beat him. And, you know, the Marzboe will fight, yeah. But first round second,

I was beaten Masvahel up quite easily as well. It wasn't a one-sided fight. Mazvahedl caught me with a beautiful shot, and he won the fight. But listen, two fights, it's not like there's any excuse for me. On that night, them two guys were simply just better than me, and I can accept that. I'm not a guy who's going to sit here and whine and moan and whinge about

because my uncle was sore or because the weight cut affected me. No, on that night, them two guys were just simply better than me. and that's just the way it is. Was there, you know, another thing we talked about and the bail-up to that fight was your mindset. You were very respectful to Jorge Mazzvedal. Is that something maybe... Is that something maybe you'll change going forward

because I think you're one of these guys that you need to really dislike your opponent in order to get your full ability out? Is that fair to say? No, what was funny about the Mazzvedo fight as well is I was very respectful, but also, when I came out to fight, I was very angry

fighting and that's not me. I'm a very calm, collected fighter like a technician. So that was a crazy twist of things. No, I'm easy, you know, I do like the smack talk and that, but I don't mind being respectful and especially to a guy like Mazda.

I've got a lot of respect for him. You know, he's a two-fighter game. But, you know, simply, the guy just won. There's no problem with my mind or problem with my skill set. He was just a better guy on the night. That's just how I'm slicing it and dicing it. Why were you so angry, though?

just wants to prove something from my last fight because I never showcased anything against Woodley because I just like sort of was waiting to attack and then got attacked you know what I mean

it was like so I just went out there maybe with a little bit more to prove which you know you live and your lane what was the reflection period after that though with yourself and Colin Herr

and obviously you're a coach did you know get down on yourself for a while you know to take long to get over it yeah I just felt sorry for myself you know as you do and it's just it took me a few weeks to be like,

oh, come on, dad, and pull yourself together. And, you know, that's, as I say, mate, a lot of fighters would be like,

no, it didn't affect me, this, that, the other, but yeah, of course it affected me. It's a fight game. None of us want to lose,

especially getting knocked out. I've never been knocked out before. So, yeah, it's hurt, they're heavily, heavily hurt. And obviously being a dad again, is that a good distraction,

having, you know, Zara there to, something to do, to take your mind off things? She's a 24-hour, distraction, that girl, mate.

She's a... She's great, mate, honestly. She's a little darn, and I absolutely adore her, and she's just like, my other one, they're just my wealth. They truly are, mate. Big distractions, though. I'd imagine so.

All right, Darren, let's move it on a little bit. Obviously, the weight issue. I want to get your thoughts on that going forward. Obviously, 170. It's a tough, tough wave cut for you. It's a process to get down there. You've mentioned 185 on Twitter and on Instagram, something that you may be looking at going ahead and doing in the future. What is the process now going forward and what division you're going to fight in in the UFC?

Do you know what? I haven't thought about it much. I've thought, you know, yeah, let's do A-middle, let's do welter. Let's do fucking everywhere, mate, because at the end of the day, I really, really am not scared of any man. But, you know, as I said, right now, the only thing I'm doing is cracking on with my train. I'm training very hard, you know, and I've started a few extra things. You know, I'm implementing a lot of air swimming into my game, and I've been lifting a little bit of weights. And, you know, I'm putting on a bit of size and, you know, trying to clean up the nutrition while there's no fight coming.

You know, a lot of guys, they've always said, like, you know, fight comes started. For me, Collins always, like, put this in our head, like, train all year round to evolve to get better. and I sort of lost that a bit, you know, last year, maybe I was only training for fights when I've never, ever been like that. You know, listen, I only started MMA when I was 18. I haven't really been doing MMA a hell of a long time. I've got a lot of other these guys since they were kids. And, you know, I've progressed fast.

I've got to the highest level you can possibly get an MMA. That's because I've always wanted to just evolve. And right now, the only thing I'm doing in my life is taking care of my kids and evolving. They're just them two things. Maybe has there been one or two distractions out? of the Oxagon that come with a little bit of fame. I know you don't look at yourself as a famous guy, but you are in the public spotlight.

You're a famous fighter. Yeah. Has there been things maybe that, you know, you got involved in maybe you didn't want to, like, partying and going out and things like that? Has that been a distraction? No, mate, I've always partied since I was 12 years of age. Let's get that, say, I know.

I love a good party. But, no, it's the only thing that's changed is that, yeah, when I go out now, wherever it be, not even in Liverpool. I mean, I don't know if you've seen, I was in Dublin the other week. You were, yeah. You know, it was unbelievable the support from fans there. You know, I was in Canada in a small remote village.

People were noticing me I was in everywhere, Milan, Amsterdam, everywhere. It's just like, it's a worldwide thing. Now, mate, yeah, I do want to qualify. I do not consider myself famous or celebrity. Leave that to the reality TV stars. I'm a fighter, a very well-known fighter. You know, there's a lot of thing that comes with that, responsibility and stuff like that.

So, you know, you've got to stay. I've always been in and out of trouble my whole life. And as I always try to say, you know, mistakes happen and it's ups and downs in this life. And I'm sure I'll make many more mistakes. I think we make mistakes up until we die. And that's just the way the cookie crumbles, Paul. Yeah, has that been a struggle, though, no? No, not really.

It's just... Adjusting to that. The only struggle I'd say... It was one second. Which... No, you just need to ring us. Sorry, Nile, I'll just drop on a half to end off. The only struggle is, you know, you do sort of have to control your circle more than saying no to certain things.

Because, yeah, as you say, mate, if you like to put it that way, the fame can get a hold of you a bit and the money and you can get a little bit distracted, which I have been. And you've just got to ride that wave and that balance and find what's good for you. And lucky for me, mate, I've got so many good people around me, management, coach and friends. and you just have to farm that balance and farm a right circle for you. Well then saying that, you know, you're talking about 185, you've said it is the most likely option

probably going for. Is it good maybe to have a fresh slate, a fresh challenge at 185? It's just good to fight, mate. It's just good to fight all these top-level guys, whether they be in the welterweight division or middleweight or wherever. There's not one slouch inside that UFC octagon,

you know, who fights. Like, they're all top, top-level fighters. So, you know, for me, it's not about a fresh start. It's just about fighting these unbelievable guys. And, you know, being one of them unbelievable guys and getting all these challenges, you know, every fight until the day I retire, it's just going to be 35.

Yeah. You said that's going to be the day you're going to call it a day. It's quite a while away. It's, you know, it is. It's quite a while away. It's nine years. Considering you're so young, exactly. I think people often forget how young,

is. But, you know, look... It's scary, mate. It's scary to think what I'm going to achieve in nine years just for me. Yeah, no, no. Listen, Darren, I well believe you. But I want to get your thoughts on the way you feel in the cage and fighting out at 185 pounds.

I know you haven't done it. But is it more like you going training and, you know, not having obviously to cut that weight and being at a prime sort of optimum Darren Till? It's more like relaxation to the head that I don't have to worry so much about weight. You know, it won't be as a big weight. cut it'll be a few less kilos to cut which i think's a big weight off my man but as i say mate not i'm set set in stone yeah so you know we'll see we'll see we'll see we'll see we'll see where this year at the end of this year leads me darn you must have a you must have an idea though no in your

mind no not one me i swear to god okay i'm an undecided man i'm like i'm a hard man to get hold of him. I'm a very undecided man. What's Colin said about that? Has Colin had any input into 185, 170? No, if Colin just doesn't say a lot, maybe he's a man a few ways. Right now, I think he just wants me to train and get better, mate, really. Michael Bisping, just before we let you go, said

in an interview the other day, I believe, that he'd love to see you fight Robbie Lauder at 170 pounds next. What would your thoughts be on that potential fight? That's a great fight, mate I called Bobby out not so long ago and he's a child of hero

I grew up watching him and that would be spectacular mate, really would All right Darren I do appreciate the time I know you're a busy man today but like just one more

for the fans and the people listen to the show when are we going to expect you back in there? 100 million percent before Christmas mate on I'm ready to fight now so 100% before Christmas

But you're ready to fight at 185 pounds, right? I don't know, mate. I really don't know. You're pushing. It's like me. Darren, Thiel, I always appreciate the time, man. I'm looking forward to seeing you back in there. I'll speak to you soon, my man.

No problem, mate, see you later. Darren, nice one, man. I'll chat to you soon. And what a pleasure it was for Noel to speak to Darren Till this week. Great stuff there, Noel. What were your key takeaways? My key takeaways are that he's 120. 25% never going to answer his phone first time around.

No, no, I think Darren, man, and I think, you know, a lot of our listeners there will realize that, you know, the next option is 185. I think, you know, he said even there, sort of maybe caught him out a little bit at the end. Well, on four weeks now, it's a, it can be. He's not going to 170. It's a three-in-one process for him. So, yeah, listen, 185 next. And I think the thing for Darren is, you know, I'm glad he's taking this little bit of time off, obviously, to heal up from... To grow a beard.

To grow that beard, get some new teeth. That, you know, that knock out was nasty dude, but I think Darren's taking a little bit of time to reassess and get his head together. I agree with, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. I respect that. And I'm very much looking forward to seeing a lean fighting machine in Darren Till. Well, it's 185 or 17. He's still going to be pretty lean, right? Yeah.

Exactly. Like, you know, the guy probably is, what, 250 pounds walking around. Maybe he's big as myself. And I think he's making some lifetime changes. but, you know, I sort of thought for a while that maybe, you know, and he addressed it there, he'd ask him the question about, you know, the lifestyle, did the fame get to him a little bit, did he deal with it in the right way, you know, he says, you know, that it was obviously a little bit tough, but he's just had to keep his circle a little bit smaller and, you know, things like that, you know,

he's 26 years of age as well, like guys, give him a break. He gets a lot of grief sometimes for a lad so young, and he even said it there. It's going to be scary what that guy can do in the next five, six years because he hasn't even hit his prime yet. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Let's have a look back at what happened at USC Uruguay, Valentina Shevchenko, outclasses, Liz Karmouche. Liz Karmouche didn't really offer anything. No.

To be honest, great walk. It was very straightforward. Listen, Valentina, we've talked about it. It's so good. So technically strong, right? So hard. And we even said it last week. It's trying to get her to the ground or do anything with her.

It's going to be very, very tough for Liz Karmouche. But the problem is here, as far as I'm concerned, is there's never any storyline within that division. after she beats someone and it's straight on to when she's going to fight Nunes again and that fight happened twice already so that's difficult like the next one there and you know obviously Jess Guy

defeated this lady is it probably is Caitlin Chukagin if they want to keep Did you see them both changing exchanging dance moves there? No did they that was fantastic probably quite cringe It was amazing but you know I'm not sure I want to see the Nunes fight now so I'd probably prefer to see

her face Chukagin yeah definitely her feet face Chukagin and that's for me again it's Valentina all day long in that fight. But it's like anyone that can get three wins in a row basically a flyweight is going to fight the champion. They should just do a super division with Nunes, Cyborg, if she's out, she's gone. Shevchenko throw Joanne up there as well

and just get rid of way classes and women's mixed martial arts. Jesus Christ. I'm joking. So Vicente Luca and Mike Perry had quite a fight and Mike Perry's nose is in an awful way. Man. That was a good fight. But that again,

this kind of highlight to me how low-key the audience were. Because I was like, this is mental. And they're not getting engaged or involved in it. No, yeah, I felt like, I was like, are we what? Like, I mean, it's my sound messed up on my TV or something. I was like, what's going on? Sometimes the UFC do that as well. Their sound is poor sometimes.

I don't know. I guess I guess I just remember, like, that was for his Brazilian cards and, you know, with everyone being South American there, I was like, oh, this is going to be a similar kind of thing. And it just wasn't. Well, I think it gets, you know, I don't know what the, what was the attendant. like I'll have a look for it here now and the attendance was 9,225 it's not bad for the

you know an arena of that size wasn't USC Dublin noise and we only had the same amount it wasn't but they didn't promote it you know and let's be honest the cards come on mate a lot of guys we we would be even very unfamiliar with on that card

let's just about Louke and Perry are you happy with the judge of score cards I had it for Leukee I thought Lou Geh no problem at the fight in the second half to fight they own it but what's Mike Perry ever going to be Mike Perry is going to be a guy that gets in there like Diego Sanchez all greatest respect Diego

you know he's a guy that's going to go in there pulling a show for the fans he's never going to win a world title Mike Perry you know a guy I'd worry for going on the line as well he's so raw takes too much shots like I mean his style is nearly dependent on being in those

warlike situations way too many and like even if you look at the Paul Felder fight Paul had you know one hand broken in that fight when Paul lost him 170 and Paul still gave him a lot of damage with his other hand. So you're sort of going like, you know, might just chill out and

maybe put a bit more thought into your fighting style before you just go out so reckless. And that's what I always get worried for when I see Mike Perry. He's so fucking raw. That knows is seriously for him. Yeah, it was just, I was like, oh man. When I saw it, was like, shit. Like look at it. It was smattered across

his face like a piece of bloody mola. It was, it was, mola's like Plato or whatever you call it. Just shocking. Really. It was shocking to see that one. It was. Eduardo Garagore, you got a decision win over Humberto.

I'm being very harsh today, I'm not. You're just letting it all out there. Volcan Osdemir finally gets back to winning ways and I'd say that felt good, man, because he has had put up with a lot of shit

over the last year. With that trial that turned out to be complete shout, basically, his whole visa situation being completely rode off before his title fight, and he kind of went on them

subsequent two losses afterwards, of course of Dominic Cruz. He was very close. Reyes. Dominic Ress. Yeah, he never put to fight Dominicruz.

But that's exactly the kind of win. He wants to be showing that he has that stopping power still because, you know, we wanted to see that again. That's what he was known for it when he came in here, of course. I'm illiativey is no joke. So I think that's a huge win for him. And hopefully we can see him carry that momentum into something. Because as we know, we need people in these divisions. 100% in that division.

And, you know, Eler as well, a guy, I know, it's a second straight loss in a row after, you know, I think he won two before that. He was nearly knocking on the door at the title fight before that, Corey Anderson for you. Where's the momentum? Where's this star going to come from? Johnny Walker. Yeah. Well, that is it.

Johnny is the hope at the moment that we all have. Johnny Irishman. We want to see him come over and really make an explosive challenge to get in the mix because, you know, heavy weights, light heavy weights, we need these guys. We really, really do. And it's the UFC's fall to a certain extent as well. It really is. And I don't think they take enough responsibility.

times for the way they market fighters and again as we talked about your yeah look at jennie walker's brand new he's won three fights and now he's on a title shot already like he's basically there us demure was the same when he came in exactly it's like there is no time to nurture talent anymore but um rodolpho viera is um a jihitsu guy's wet dream basically he comes in against oscar poichota go away right very highly and really as soon as the fight hit the ground boom and but chow but chowda is pretty against the cage and then it was yeah but boychota's good on the ground man he is fucking good i've seen him in his other fight so that's uh really promising stuff from rudolfo i can remember all the jihitsu guys i'd spoke to before rudolfo came across the ufc they

were like he's the one he's the next moya like you know he's the next he's the next he's the next guy that could be like a damian moya really utilizing basic jiu jitsu skills to climb to the top of division and on that performance you probably say it's and he's a big dude as well he's a house he used to compete a heavyweight in jihitsu was he yeah he was a monster like so um yeah very promising there's from himself um cyril the squirrel the squirrel Yeah, well, we just, Gilbert Burns got the decision win over Alexi Kinchenko. That's the first loss on Alexi's record. So no main feat there, Gilbert, Gilbert Burns making his 170 debut, as you pointed out last week, to be fair.

Cyril Gan, my God, not what I expected whatsoever, but that's probably the best thing you can say about it because this lad can't, look, his striking, it wasn't one of his better striking performance. Usually he's really clinical, you know, but to do that to a guy who we thought was, if this hits the ground, Cyril's got to be in really big trouble and he hadn't armed the shit out of him. So I think that's probably as good as a debut you can have because we already knew about his hands. Franny and Gano's prodigy.

But once you see that other side, the submission game that adds a whole new spectrum to him. So yeah, big, big fan of Cyril Ghan and we spoke to him, we'll be speaking to him later on, great guy. Can I ask a question? Is he one of those people we need? one of those people that is going to go to the top of the division.

He definitely can. And I mean, a lot of people have been talking with this guy. He was on my prospects list when he was 2 and 0. He was just outrageous how good he was. He was a Mouy Thai champion as well. And he's just huge, huge weapon of a man. But I think it's very important as well for this French legalization situation. If they had an event there, you know, we already talked about Duke and what.

We've lost Duke and Wao over there to have two heavyweights like Ghana and Gaia. possibly going over there being a card would be unbelievable and they might ban the sport after those but um but uh

Galeemay crew's got a great bit out of uh Fernand Lopez we talk about it later on of course coach Fernand Lopez at the MMA factory he suggested Gan is not the type of guy

that's going to call someone out his name is Bon gaming which means good kid he's like he's not a he's not a trash talker at all which is I think that's what it means anyways um and uh

Bon Garcin but he said Greg Hardy like I mean that would be insane putting Greg Hart my serial guy at a 4-0 in against Greg Hardy yeah the US you aren't gonna do though yeah to kill Greg Hardy he was very complimentary now you'll hear it in the interview later on but yeah

I think that would go one way and one way violently and that's really all the European action that was on that card um it was all right let's move on yeah um I just wanted to mention Alan Philpott's delicious knee to strikes K.O. on one Warrior series, a lot of people were hoping

that he would get the contract after that. Oh, he didn't really know how this works, so it's basically the same kind of thing as contender series. They all fight, and then one person gets a contract again, the most impressive. It's more of a league sort of system. They fight each other more than just the once and less contenders is they want to pull you back in or whatever, but yeah, it seems to be a way

it works. Beautiful finish, Jesus Christ, and it was a competitive fight up until then just, bing. Left hook, and then knee was just, oh, it was you just forget with the global rules that they're laid smocker in the head sometimes they don't know

like what the hell which one are you allowed do? We're in a ring here yeah what's going on here there's a fucking kickboxing fight on here there's a no man what I'm watching

but um huge win for Alan I'm Deloitte did they have a million viewers on several several billion yeah it was in the billions again but that's two wins in a row now on Warrior series he always had that loss

in his first fight but two solid performances looking forward to seeing him in there again and hopefully the next one will result in a contract because we need to see Europeans like Alan on there that's going to compel people to view that product in Europe. So a very good win for him, I must say. Will we get on with our second interview of the day?

So, sir? We spoke to Cyril Gann after his fantastic submission win in his debut and, of course, coach Fernand Lopez, who gave us a great preview to this weekend's heavyweight title fight between Daniel Kormier and Steve A. Miotich, of course, Coach Fernand Lopez is the man who paved the way for Francis Nganyu on his first title assent. And Gano is training in Las Vegas now, but he's still very much part of the MMA factory team.

So I spoke to both of the guys about the team out there, and really, really great to speak to Coach Fernand Lopez. He's doing fantastic things in Paris. We'll be back to you in about 20 minutes. And now, as promised, we are joined by the great Coach Fernand Lopez, and one of the most talked about fighters coming off the back of his debut win at UFC Uruguay. It's Mr. Cyril Gann. Fernand, first of all, thank you so much for joining me. A pleasure. How are you doing?

I'm doing great. And what a win. And please tell Cyril, I said congratulations. A fantastic win. Thank you. Thank you very much. Amazing. Amazing.

I just wanted to know, first of all, did Cyril think that it was going to take this long? I mean, it was very quick. Did he think he would get Pesoa out of there that quickly? Is that you have thought that it would be so fast, that you had to beat P.S.O.A. also, is that you had thought that the combat would go so fast? No, as I said, as I always, I've never any prevision for my combat. It's really a feeling. And so as it could be terminated two in the first row,

so that it could go to three rows. I have no idea. Well, like you always said, you don't know what the outcome of the fight. Any fire that is doing, it's really for the good one. to the long time or finish the fight in the first second. So he didn't know, he didn't plan anything, he just went with the feeling that he had and what a person will give him. Yes, yes.

And what an amazing way to win his debut in the UFC because, of course, before this fight, all of the media guys like me, we're talking about his fantastic striking ability, his amazing Muay Thai style. And then he comes off with this fantastic submission against a guy who everybody thought would have an edge on him. over on the ground, he must be very happy with that showing people a different sort of his game.

Yeah, I'm happy. Forreement, I'm content. Forcible, I'm going to have proven that I can be dangerous in different domains. It's all the message that I think. Definitely, I'm happy. I'm happy because I prove to people that I can be dangerous in all the area. And yeah, I'm happy to pull out the submission in the first round.

Yes, yes, of course. Is he disappointed that he didn't get a performance of the night bonus? I saw you speaking to my colleague Gailerme Cruz backstage and you didn't know if he was going to get it yet, but is he disappointed that he didn't come away with an extra 50,000? No, it's something to ask you to ask you to ask. After my question, after my objection, I just said, I don't even, not a single one preparation, I'll think to the money. So, no, the principal is to enter with new air. Well, the main goal is to have the green, right? To have the victory. So it didn't talk about it before the preparation. He didn't talk about it after yesterday. But at the moment, yeah, I was laughing on that.

And yeah, anyway, we have our team mate, Veronica Macedo, who had the bonus. So the still is 50K going to the M.M. Yes, yes. Is she going to give some? Cyril half of it? Maybe not. Not that sure, but she can give some love, some hugs, you know. But if Siki, I mean, each person needs to do something in his family with that, so we respect

that and no problem. Brilliant, brilliant. One of the things that got me very excited afterwards was when you were speaking to Gailerme backstage, and it was you, Fernand, it wasn't, it wasn't Cyril, which I should there underlying but you suggested a fantastic fight the Greg Hardy fight and I when I saw this I was like oh my God this would be amazing because you told me about Cyril about what a good person he is what a great family man he is and then on the opposite side you have Greg Hardy a man who not a lot of people like I feel like this fight would push Cyril's brand through the roof is

is this something that I know you like it Fernand but has Cyril thought about it more since then Is this something that would be a really good option for him? Yeah, I think, I mean, after all, when we finished the interview with your colleague, he asked me, I mean, he was, he said, why not? Why not? Let's do it. If that happened, if he's free, why not? Because this is, and he presides that this is a good challenge for him.

Because Greg Ali is not someone to come down. It's very good on the field. He's brutal, he's good wrestler, he has the good conditioning. So I think that will be a good fight, and he thought that that would also be a good fight. And he definitely wanted that to happen like a suggest. But again, Bungama don't like to call people out. So I'm doing, I will have the bad role to call people out if we need, but this is not how he works. Yes, yes, I understand.

But could you ask Cyrilic, I mean, Does he feel, like when I see Cyril fighting, I think he is something very special. And when I see the other guy's Hardy has fought, I'm thinking they're nowhere near as good as Cyril. And I know Cyril's a good guy and I'm not asking him to talk trash. But does he feel like if this fight happened, he would be the toughest fight of Hardy's career? Because I certainly feel that way. Okay. He wants to tell you.

What do you think seriously of this combat in view with Gregadier? Is he thinks that when he He sees combat, you're on the on the way he says, technically, Greg Adi, is super-connue,

it's a man who, because it's a man conned and all, but what's what do you think? What's what you think? What's the combat? What do you think?

What do you think? What's the thing? What's what is going to be in the combat? Again, once, I don't after to predict the things,

I don't ever to predict my combat, but what's going to do the same thing than the thing than I'm not always I'm always I'll always use my point

force, it's certain, and I think that it will give a very big combat. I think that it will give a very great combat because we have someone in front, who has very fatigued, and who is very fatigued, and who can't quite, who is brutal, like you you said, so, fortunately, it will make some sense. Okay, I'm not good in

prediction. What I can say is that for sure, I will do what I know, what I like to do, which is pressure coming forward with my strength, which is striking, and then if the guy to do it's a lot of sure, I will do it. take me down. If he tried to take me down, I will submit him. If he, if he, whatever happened, I don't know, I don't know the outcome, but for sure that would be a good fight because it's not a joke and I'm not a joke. Yes, yes. And I was just wondering, and this will be the last question

about Greg Hardy, I promise, but I was just wondering, does he, does that give him more of a motivation when, you know, a guy like Hardy is history with domestic violence and, you know, with the law in America. Does that appeal to him as a fight because of that? Like, does he like to maybe? Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Okay, so, he reprecise the question in saying, is, is that you know, that Gregadier in the United, conned as someone who is violent, someone that the public doesn't like a lot, someone who is, someone who is a person who is a good guy, man, I don't, I don't, I don't, do all right, I don't, do all that I'm not

my quality physical, athletic, and technique of my adversary and not all of all right. He said, I'm not, that do not give me any extra motivation cause. My goal is to take an account the skills, the ability,

the physics, the sports the sport, the sport part, but not the private life, not the lifestyle. I'm here to do the sport and focus on my opponent with the skill that they have, not the lifestyle. Right, right. I understand. And thank you so much for answering those questions.

You know, one thing about Cyril as well, I don't think I've seen a guy enter the heavyweight division with this much hype in so long. And with such, like, you know, with only four professional fights, people are already talking about this guy fighting for a world title. I spoke to you before this fight, Fernand, and you were saying, like, you know, Cyril has the potential to be one of the great heavyweights, a guy who are still talking about 10 years from now. Does Cyril understand that that's how you see him? How does he feel about that kind of expectation? Okay, you never at UFC, there's person who's in a very hot,

in a way of so violent, with a good reputation like you? Is that, is conscious that the people see as a potential champion of very long time? Is it conscious that, I, your trainer,

I see with this potential, and what does it make, the pressure, to know that we have to make the pressure, to know that we're in the expectation? No, because, I'm also, I'm concerned. He said, no, it's not surprised.

It's not under pressure because himself is aware that it can be something great. Well, well, and I'm thinking, right? So, Fernand, you got Francis into a title situation in just two years. Does Cyril believe that he can get up to that title shot in that same amount of time? because as we know, when you get a win in the heavyweight division, it's huge because there isn't the same talent pool at heavyweight than there is in the other division. So it gives you a huge push each time you win.

Does he think he could be similar to Francis and he could get to that total shot within two years of his debut? He said that I've made Frances at the Sanctur in less than two years. Is that you think you will do do you to find out of the sanctuary, or more, or is he to do you?

I hope I'll do that good. I hope I will do that good, that French's day. And is he already, like, I mean, does he have an idea about this weekend's title fight? Will he be watching that closely? Does he have any feelings who could win there, Carmier or Steepey? As I said, Kormier has gained the first combat. And if Stipe is a quite intelligent and to study these videos, and if he will

be concentrated for his combat, it is possible that he won't. I'll say Stipa. He said already that he feels like Stipa didn't took the fight seriously

the first time and he's this time he watched the step and he gets to cause at team is the is Tipper who's going to win the fight. Wow, well that's amazing. That's amazing and I know that Cyril wants to

fight in U.S.C. Copenhagen. Is he confident that it is going to happen or is it too quick of a turnaround? Have you guys talked to the UFC about that yet? Yeah, we talked to the UFC, and it seems the fact that in Copenhagen is almost full. It's full. So there can be maybe a surprise,

but we're quitely sure that there will not be a room in Copenhagen. So we're looking forward to have the quicker possible any fight in any place anywhere. You know, he just want to be busy and keep firing. Like, if we can do two more fight before the end of the year, that would be awesome. We would love to see him fighting in Europe over here. We would love that so much. You've got to tell Cyril he needs to come over here and put on a show for us. He said that the Europeans are going to fight here.

It's good that you combat in the United, but that the Europeans, he might be to go to return here, combat in normal. Yeah, and me also, I'd like a lot. I'd like a lot because, for the coup, he would have. I have a lot more people of my family, more of friends, of co-equipiers who could eventually come to have me

and support. Okay, I said that he would like to himself, you would like to have people around him, family, friend, people,

so yeah, that will be awesome. Great, great. Fernand, do you mind if I ask you a few questions now, is that okay? I've asked Cyril everything.

I was wondering if I could pick your brain about the heavyweight situation if that's okay. Let's go. Brilliant, brilliant. First of all, how do you feel about this main event?

Obviously, I know Francis is preparing in Vegas at the moment, but I know he's still very much a member of the team out there and stuff like that. I mean, do you watch these fights very closely, these heavyweight bouts, obviously? Definitely, that's my job. I mean, people, this kid, they pay me so I can be, I can learn about the division, I can learn about the UFC, the politics, the fight, everything. So this is my duty to watch all the UFC event.

every time so for sure and um you think it will be different this time fernand uh yeah i think this time will be different i think that could be different i mean this guy is very good on grappling on wrestling as he pays very good on boxing and i think if if he's focused the outcome could be different right right and do you think it could go a better way for francis i mean he must be looking at this fight and thinking, I could be getting the winner here. I mean, do you think it's better for him if Stipe wins or it's better if Carmier wins? Because I feel like the Stipei rematch is something that would be obvious if Stipei wins, whereas with Carmier, there's always John Jones and stuff hanging around.

You don't know if Francis is going to be the immediate fight for Carmier, right? Okay. This is the... I think if we take out the John John's situation, Francis should be the one to jump for the belt right away. And I think no matter who you... I think no matter who you got in the situation, no matter if it's Steppe or D.C.,

Francis is going to win the fight anyway. Yes, do you feel as though he's a very different fighter than we saw Floyd Steepa the first time because he certainly seems that way? Definitely. It's completely different. It's ready to... I mean, I've given anything that this time we're going to... he went to have that bench.

Is it, is it, do you feel as though it took those losses like a guy like Francis who was just going towards the title so quickly,

do you feel like he needed those losses to gain some more experience just to allow him to feel that so now he can go on this second run towards the title? I don't know if he needed that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's put that this way. I mean, I think I don't need my father to get a loss, right? But I definitely think that the father become mature, the fighter become good. If you look at the story of the champion, the champion becomes good because they know already a loss. I mean, like, if you are like Israel, Adisania, you are very good, right?

You just get there, get the bell, and then there's no problem. It's very good, but there's something missing. I mean, having a loss is a lot of learning. You never learn like you learn when you get a loss Then you can think a little bit So yeah, I think that loss makes Francis Completely different Do you think there's like

You know, they're looking at Francis now And how he's performed lately And they're kind of going well like this is This is going to be very difficult All of a sudden because it's like just what he did To Das Santos in the last fight I mean Who would want to fight this guy at this stage right? Like I mean he looks insane at the moment

Definitely Francis always look, people just tend to forget what someone did. You remember Francis Poole, a huge submission against Anthony

I think that was the second or third fight in the UFC and people there was amazed about how he was brave in that submission and then people tend to forget and then a couple of five later they were like, okay, this guy don't know. any clue what's going on in the ground.

So, but Francis is always amazing. And when it's a good mindset, you know, if you take out the two losses that he have, that he wasn't there, he wasn't a good mindset. It's still, he's always dangerous anyway. Yes, yes. And as you were telling me before this, you feel as though you have a huge amount of talent

at heavy weight there in your gym, don't you, like, I mean, you were telling me, Cyril has a lot of guys to prepare with, Do you feel as though the MMA factory is going to be an even bigger name in the UFC and heavyweight fighting this time in five years or two years' time? I think what's going on is that the MMMA world is under reading a lot of European gyms. I think MMA factory is not because of mine, because it's my gym, but it's one of the best gym on the world. Like, you know, people don't know how good and how smart are European coaching because of the way to be graduated, to become a coach in Europe is something huge. I mean, you really have to know a lot of things about the anatomy, the body, the values, physiology, the everything, you know.

So the mindset is very huge about the coaching in Europe, and especially MMO. factory we have in the heavyweight division in my gym around 10 guys that can be in the UFC like all of them like the in the okay for the guy that you show you show in the corner of syria if you can just google as the name of the guy go to the Wikipedia you will be amazed by the record of striking that he can put on the table and this guy is starting the m m m and it will be doing the first fight in september you have uh you have uh you guys like slim awards in olympian wrestling we have so many great talent in my team like people with a five seven win straight that people they don't know yet i'm just talking about the everywhere that

it's amazing i think in the in the next five years the m mhm a factory will finally get the the you know the the recognition the recognition that he deserves because of what we are doing because of what we are shaving as a telling that we're pulling out every time in all the division like you know we were talking last time about taylor lapelius who just yes i mean he's he's the he had two belt in germany in the gymc the best the best organization in germany is the champion in the tkio in carada and this guy fought four times in the u s three won three times and lost only one time in mexico against a mexican guy a tough guy so uh we have so many Great talent like that.

You can see in the girl's side, like Rish Renzuela. She went to the Olympics two times. She was fighting in EFC, right? And she was fighting in EFC. I mean, the fact that she pulled in the belt for the title in the UFC Bantam week was elected the fight of the years in South Africa. So to tell you the level of the good guy that we have in Europe, especially in MMFTA.

Brilliant. Thank you, Fernand, thank you so much for your time. It's always a pleasure to speak to you, and I can't wait to see your gym continue to go from strength to strength, and congratulations on two fantastic performances last weekend. Thank you so much. I really appreciate what you are doing for this sport, my man. No worries at all. And you take maybe a couple of days holidays before you go back to the gym, okay?

You work too hard. Thank you. I'm picking my daughter tonight, and then we're going for four days vacation. That's all that I have. That will be for a good day vacation. Beautiful. So thank you to you and tell Cyril I said thank you very much as well. It's a pleasure for us to speak to you.

Yes, me too. Me too. Thank you. Thank you, guys. All the best. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

Great to speak to Coach Fernand-Lopez and Cyril Gan, a name that we'll be hearing a lot in the future, I believe. And of course, great to get us take on Karmier v. Miotich this weekend. Huge, huge fight this. Did you see the ESPN? E-60 feature on Karmier. I have not watched yet. I have seen it. I will not reveal how,

but it's absolutely fantastic. Really, really good. I think it really sets up Karmier well for if there was a thing with Jones again. I feel like Jones was always the hero there, really, for the fans. He was always the one that with the most support, but when you see the stuff Karmier has gone through

in his life and has managed to forge his career for himself, it's absolutely unbelievable. Yeah, and I've seen some of the stuff in the past, but obviously, you know, lost a daughter and he's gone through some serious trials and tribulations his life. But I think just in terms of Jones, I think people have warmed to just the shit talk of Jones. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

I feel like he needs those kind of big performances to underline his dominance. And just maybe after the Tiago fight, it's not quite where it usually is because he's usually emphatic. And maybe it isn't. But certainly after watching that fight, the feature, I was like, Jesus Christ, man. This fell as unbelievable. Great work from Ariel Hulani and the ESPN team. But, yeah, I feel like this is an interesting one, Daniel's going back to where he suffered that knockout loss to John Jones in their second fight,

and he's taking on me outchich, you obviously beat in the first round of their fight. But, you know, I always give you shit about it, but you have a point about that I poke. There's absolutely no doubt about it. I hate admitting this. But I went back to watch it, and it's hard. not to think that it didn't affect the fight, you know, whether it was an intentional one or not, I honestly don't know.

I think if you slow people down and you see them doing that poker motion, it always looks really bad, you know? I certainly don't think it was bad as say Ponziabio versus Nelson. But I do understand where you're coming from in terms of it did change the fight. Like, it had an impact on the fight,

there's no doubt about it. Yeah, no, yeah, you know, I've been a big advocate of that. I think it was something that should have been reported more and it wasn't, maybe because people are so warm in terms of... Well, it's hard to steal the loyemlight off a double champion, you know? I know, yeah, but, you know, my sort of opposite of this is, you know,

Steve M. E. Oachich, the greatest heavyweight of all time. I think even, you know, the amount of defences he had, he's broken the record for doing that. Took him 18 months or whatever to get a, you know, a rematch. Should have been an immediate rematch for me. There was talk of Daniel Cormier and Brock Lesnar at one point, I believe. even when Brock came into the octagon. Who wants to see that shit?

Would have watched it? No, I wouldn't have. What I would, of course, I would. You always say that. You always immediately go, I would watch it. Yeah, I probably would watch it. I'm trying to be the big bad wolf. But it had a definite impact on the fight.

But, you know, I remember watching that fight and going, and Cormer, if you look at Cormer, the way he strikes him, but he puts out his job when he's punching. He always seems to have his hands out. And I think the referees really need to watch it in this fight coming up. Because clearly it obviously, you know, disturbed Corme. or Mioch's vision and that was the shot

eventually which caught him. What was it? Was an overhand rider across which knocked him whatever it was. Yeah, but it impaled his vision definitely.

Impaled? Yeah, whatever. Impaired. Jesus Christ. His vision. But, you know, it's a really, really good fight,

but I just, you know, I do have that feeling that Mioch is going to get his title back on Saturday night. Yeah, I mean, that's what Fernand said as well. Like, he kind of said,

like, folks on way too much on the first fight, I think that, you know, Steve A is great boxing and he has enough grapun to stay safe against Carmier, you know? And yeah, I mean, it's taken on a life of its own really this week. I wasn't really, I don't know

why, I just was like Carmier is going to do it, and then kind of saw your eye poke tweet again for the 85th time and I was like, you know what? Motherfucker has a point here. But do you think it's going to, like, I mean, are you favoring Steve a large amount going into this way?

Really? Yeah, I am. I think he's totally underrated wrestling. He's really, really good stand-up. We saw how well he was. He dealt with Francis Nguyenu some unbelievable footwork to avoid Inganu's onslaught in our first round of that fight. We've seen us wrestling, obviously, the years against them. What fights are we looking at here?

The Mark Hunt fight, I think, was the really sort of one where he just took Mark down time and time again. It was unbelievable. So many two. so hungry, I believe, after losing that title as well. He sat out, man, and waited for this. He made a point, and I respect him for that,

saying, I deserve an immediate rematch. I'm the most, you know, I've defended a UFC heavyweight title more than anyone else in the history of the UFC's heavyweight division. And, you know, I think he'd a very valid point, and he didn't cry about the iPokes, which he could have done. And, you know, he does seem to respect Daniel Cormick won here. But the thing that fucks me off with me, Oach, in terms of the perception we're talking about

and the pictures that are painted. He doesn't get enough credit for what he did. He went into Brazil in front of a stadium, 60,000 people and beat Fabrizio Verdum to win that heavyweight title. And then, you know, put on, I was at the fight in Cleveland, his hometown against Alice Rover.

You know, probably the second loudest crowd I've ever heard in UFC after Dublin. And, you know, JDS, then, and Francis in Ghana, and obviously lost the corner, it's, you know, it is. It's, you know, four, unbelievable run. Four really good wins in such a hard. division. But I will say, like, all of these fighters, and the same applies to all of them.

You have to teach your own horn. You have to get out there. You have to control the narrative. And that's something that Steve-Bey's never done. Yeah, he's like pulling teeth. We've both interviewed him a number two. I usually end up interviewing about how much he doesn't like doing interviews. That's usually every interview I do with him. Yeah. I do agree. I think he's warm to a little bit more

in the past. He's a lovely guy. He's a really, he is a lovely guy, but he's just months of camera comes on. He's just one of those people. He puts him out a little bit. I can totally understand that. You know, but yeah, no, I do agree with that. I have to say, I'm favouring Carmier. Like, I know your favour in Stipey, I still favour Carmier,

and I think the fact that he's been active, the fact that he's gone out there and fought, I think that's just as much as a fetter in his cap as Stipe's sitting out, to be honest. Yeah, but he wouldn't fight me, Ochich. He said the Oachich had to get a fight, and I don't really understand the point of that, saying that, like, you know, over a year later.

He knocked him on the first round. I know, yeah. Doing immediate rematch, like, why? To poke his eye out. It's not like this hasn't happened to Daniel Carmier in his career. Like he's fought John Jones.

John Jones is the biggest culprit of this of all time. Without a doubt, he's poked more people than the eyes than anyone probably in the UFC consistently. Listen,

I think it's a really, really good fight. It's going to be a very close fight. But I do fancy me out to get a knockout in this. I think, you know, we talk about Cormier's wrestling. You've been going to see P.M.

They're really decorated good wrestler as well that doesn't get the kudos. That he does it. probably should get a little bit more respect for that, but I believe this is going to stay in the feet, and I think Miotich is better on the feet generally. Right, right. Now, there's a pretty big comment event on this car.

I don't have you ever heard of this going. Nate Diaz. Who's he? He, I don't really know myself. But my God. I got locked in the toilet having a drink with him once later. That's your experience.

But Nate Diaz, it kind of feels like the Johnson fight again, where it was kind of nothing, and now it's suddenly become massive on Fight Week, which he just has this way of doing it. That Brett interview, Bregg Al-Comotto on ESPN, has really teed this up very nicely. There's a lot of different storylines going on.

His eyes seem to be very much on Khabo Maga Madoff, I know this fight's at 170 against Anthony Pettus. But this fight itself has taken on legs as well because they've gone back and they're kind of showing all night Diaz talking about Pettis back in the day, Pettis had done that interview with Hellwani. They had shit for years, mate. Where he went down Helwani and he kind of said this one's personal. It's never been per person.

personal before but this one is. I think we're setting ourselves up for a classic fight here, but I am a bit disappointed at the three rounds. Yeah, man, it's like, this is again... This ends at... This doesn't get a finish in those fours, 50 minutes, people are when he's screaming about it. I was literally, I watched back a couple of fights

today, um, of fights that are actually coming up. I watched Paul Felner and Edson Barbosa and I watched, um, I watched Anthony Pettis and Holloway, I believe it was, at 45. And the thing, you know, you sort of take from

Jesus Christ the thing you take from Anthony Pettis' career and the resurgence over the last number of fights is and I know he lost

that Tony Ferguson fight but God he put in a bloody good display and Duke obviously had to stop it in the corner but there's been

a real resurgence thing ever since the Michael Keesa fight over his last three fights went up obviously his last fight to 170 you look amazing

against Stephen Warner Boy Thompson and you have to feel as though Nate Diaz the three years out and I am a big believer in this ring rust is a, you know

It's a long, long time to be it. I know he's been fit. I know he's been active, you know, doing to Jitzy tournaments and training with Ron Gracie. I believe he's been working a huge amount with ahead of this fight. But it's just not the same as getting in there.

And this is going to be a major issue. Annie Pettis has been very, very active in the last year. And I think it's going to be a big, big problem for Nate Diaz and on fight night. I really do. Yeah, but like... I worry's here for Nate. And, you know, I would love to see that McGregor fight

hopping again down the line in the future. I know we're a long, long, long way from that, whatever. We want to talk. love to see the winner this fight, fight McGregor, but, you know,

I don't think it's as easy as that. Does Nate, does Nate really, you know, we talked about the three years out, and I know the UFC haven't promoted him, right, that's what he said

why you didn't want to get back in there, but is that the major underlying factor here, why he has me back in there? That's what you have to ask yourself, I think. What do you mean? You know, the poor eight fight fell out,

I know, Dustin, you know, sort of pulled out of that from, from what Nate was saying and from what we believe, but, you know, there was other opportunities to get back in there,

is the desire to be in the cage anymore? Well, I mean, I think he went through all that stuff with Brett there fairly quickly. I think he felt he was being used as a pawn. Yeah. Do we believe that straight? Oh, yeah. No, I thoroughly believe he was used as a pawn and he's always felt that way. Oh, there's no doubt about that.

Yeah. But, you know, taking the three years out, is the hunger there? Is the desire going to be there? I don't know. It seems that way. Like, I mean, I definitely think he's fired up. Like, I mean, he doesn't have to do these interviews. That's not like night Diaz, like, I mean, and you can tell.

he's trying to be cool but as soon as he starts talking about this you can see it a fire inside of him um yeah three years out was huge though of course like what what way is he looking how is he moving but the diaz brothers like even when nate looks a hole though yeah well so does every further i couldn't believe how when i saw that interview how haggard he got jesus um no but like i don't i don't think for a second that this fellow stopped trying that his body's got out of shape that anything like i'm not saying that yeah no like that's one thing that i'm pretty sure of even like Even if Nick came back now, who seems to just be partying 24-7, I'll be like, I wouldn't be surprised if he came back and he was somehow fit because they're just, their natural athletes, they've been tuning themselves up their whole lives. But I feel like he is a huge player in this card.

I mean, he is with everything else that's going on, we're going to talk about the rest of the card soon. Nate Diaz is the start of the show here, without a doubt about it. He is the eyes, but I just like the momentum paddice is on. I think he's going to take great, great belief and confidence from that Stephen Thompson fight. That was a superlative display from... It was a superlative display in terms of the finish, but he was chasing the fight up until that, I thought. Nah. Was he?

Not particularly. He was only a round gone. I know, but... Feeling out processing the first. The finish was fantastic, but... Yeah, he took a little, took a few smacks, yeah. But it was a different kind of fight from him. I think it's going to be a great, great fight.

I think it's going to deliver well. Yeah, I think we're going to have, you know... Yeah, let's go back, sorry, reverse back to the original point of you. you made it, it's not five rounds. It's a travis the fight like this isn't five rounds. This is, you know, when you ideally sort of look at, think of this fight, you think of two guys standing there in the cage, you know, battered and bloodyed at the end of the fight having given 110% and we probably will see that over three rounds, but you know,

we're going to be a guarantee of going on Saturday night here. Shit, man, why didn't we get another two rounds of that? Yeah, I think it's like it's always the case, yeah. But they have to pay these guys if they're on a fight and five, five rounds. the different camp completely, you know? That's true. Interesting as well. Duke Rufus, your friend

speaking about Anthony Pettis, he thinks he's going to win by submission. That would be wild. That will be wild. And he said the last time he predicted that was when Pettis submitted Ben Henderson, was it? Did he say?

Yeah, something like that. To win the title. Yeah, and he said that's the last time he ever predicted something like that. Yeah, he normally, like, now and Duke, he doesn't go out and throw predictions out here and there, so he must be,

wildly confident that... Wildly would be the word, are you? Like, you're going to submit an idea. I just said that, yeah, wildly confident that that's going to happen. But listen, three years out, you know, again, you have to look at that and maybe that's in Duke's

talk process. I'll probably throw a text to Duke later on tonight and see what the crack is and see what his predictions are for that fight. Get your Ireland back, and whatever. And whatever. Will you? No, you know, he does. He's Greek-Irish or

is his family heritage. He's very he'd obviously have a Celtic top on and stuff like that as well he's a mad flowerer as a L duke but uh listen I can't wait for it I'm totally totally that's the fight I'm I'm looking for man I've been looking for this you're going just so far so I can keep register this you're going steepe and pettis I think so yeah I'm going to have a car I'm going on the opposite side of that I'm going d a car oh this fucking war here let's have a look at the toy breaker then y'all

romero versus paolo costa Jesus um interesting here with everything that's gone on 13 months away for palo costa y'all romero taking lads to court to win it's a huge fight it's nearly being minimized slightly by the two huge main and comens but that is one hell of a fight what do you think when you look at on paper I simply can't look past Y'all Romero's wrestling

like I just like this guy will not be able to live with this man on top of him yeah but like you look at Palacosta what we've seen from yeah and that's a thing as well sometimes Romero doesn't wrestle at all and he just stands there in front of him and I'm like don't stand in front of that guy don't whatever you do

don't stand in front of him my god we saw the whole Rocco scenario as well and that was explodes into action ads over quickly we were like that was just Jesus when the blood started squirt now it was like oh no what's happening here but listen to me

I will I just I think Paola Costa from what I've said I know he's been a way for a while but man we were so excited about this guy and I think maybe you know we look at the Whittaker fight you put some hands in Romero and I know he's obviously

a very, very tough guy and, you know, they were both decision victories for Whitaker, but Paolo Costas it maybe a little bit more of a power puncher than Robert Whitaker's now.

Oh, no, I think I agree with you. One thing I find mad about Yol is he literally just takes rounds off and then explodes into action for like 10 seconds and win around. On your camera.

Went around because he lettered someone like, and he was like, oh, but he's known to take a round off as well at time to time. Oh yeah. And I, you know, known to sit in a stool and take a round. Yeah.

to be warned to get back of it. But like, I didn't understand that in the Whitaker fight. I did think he took one of the rounds off. I think it was maybe, was the fourth of the last one. There was a lot of, we had a lot of debate, whatever it was anyway. But you look at Costa here, man, and what we see? Was it, who did he fight last? Uriah Hall, was that I think it was. Hang on. I'm just going to check here now. Um, you, okay, right, U.Riah Hall, Johnny Hendricks, uh, on Whaleigh, Banbozae, and Garrett McClellan. What about that pronunciation? Just straight, you got Bombosey beautifully there, I was there. Oh, there you go. none of those fighters

are anywhere near the level of fighters Ramirez yeah that's a very very good point and you know that could be the decisive factor here but if you look at his fucking record man TKO TKO TKO do it's just like it's a submission thrown in there

TKO TKO punch punch punch man the guy has not gone outside two rounds in his career I would expect this one to go a little bit further but yeah listen you have to figure in the wrestling yeah maybe you are right I think that's a fantastic dynamic to this fight

that we have that debate there. We're like, what's going to work out? You know, is the power going to be too much for Romero? Is Romero's wrestling going to be too much? Okay, you know what I'm going to do? Because I know you're going to go at Romero. Fuck it, I'll go at Costa. Woo-hoo!

Turn round TKO. Oh, lads. That's going to be good. It's going to be one of those ones where probably three and out of Pizzi. I don't know about that. They're all very close fights. I can't wait to see Sadiq Yusuf against Gabriel Benitez. I love that guy.

I think he's brilliant. You know, that could be a very big, big fight for him in terms of look at the card he's on. Huge spotlight there. He's the only 1-45 run that main card, him and obviously Gabriel. But I think that's huge for him. Also, think Ian Hynish has a chance to do some amazing shit there against Derek Brunson. He's really exploding to the scene. He has a fantastic story.

You know, he's been arrested in Spain, etc. What a run he's been on. Fabulous. That's a good fight, Hinesh and Brunson. really is. It's a good fight. We love, I think, further down the card, obviously someone who's a lot of hype sort of behind them coming into this was Corey Hansagan, San Cagan, Hansa. After that victory over John Lineker, and Linneker was obviously subsequently released after last fight, which caused a lot of controversy against her half A-L us and say that's an absolute

crack and fight, half-A-L, obviously coming off that loss to Marlon Marais. So that's, man, that's an absolute banger as well of a fight. So can I let my complaint out here? Yeah, go on. No Europeans. There's not one. I think we, did we not touching that last week that we said there was no Europeans?

I know, but it's a joke. I need to underline that again. That is a bit of a piss take, isn't it? It's a hilarious piss take. Who will we take on as an Irish man for the week?

Jesus, I don't know. Who's going to get it? Who's going to get us? Who's going to get it? Petis looks Irish. Well, I mean, he has Duke wearing the jersey.

That's true. That is probably the nearest link we have. Night Dias has fought on Irishman. That's a Irishman. is true. Yeah. I mean, I think we just

you skip it. Yeah. No, no Irish. No Irish representative. We'll go. We'll go. Kung Ho Kang.

What about Casey? That sounds Irish. It does sound Irish. I don't know much about Casey, but I don't fancy his chance against Manny Brubiodes if we're going to be perfectly honest. Mani Bernoudes has been a bloody killer.

That's a fight on a person you should probably look out for as well. If you're going to watch that fight, he's a killer. No Irish person this week. So, oh well. But how was your wedding this week?

Anyway, who got married? My mate's sister. Oh, lovely. Yeah, and it was great. Really, really, you know, a lovely day on Friday and got very, very drunk. I'm not obnoxious. I woke up on a couch. Someone was despotches.

That's not like you. Nah. I tell you, it's a wine. Get the guard on that now. I said to you when I went down on Friday, I said, oh, I'm going to stick to the Guinness. No way. Of course, fucking wine comes to the table. I never, yeah.

I never really played with the wine. I did, and I paid for it. I was absolutely dying on Saturday in work. It's, it's tough. Not nice. We got, I was at the morning. I was yours.

Yeah, it was great. My good friend, my best mate, Steve's brother got married, so we were down for the whole day, the whole kit and caboodle. I haven't danced at a wedding in a long time,

but my God. God, I was just about to tell you that. Oh, he was on the dance floor. They had to scrape me off the fucking dance floor about 5 a.m. So I could go home. Those videos of me dancing at the wedding. I was at a few weeks before and they're going around.

Oh, I was doing the floss and all this shit. I have it here. I got sent one on, literally on Friday. I'll have to show. Wait till they go off. can see it then. Oh, it's bad.

Yeah, great, great times had by all. You know, Reggie is nearly two years old now, Johnna. It's one week from Reggie's birthday today. What? Yeah. What did you get him? I'll just get him a fill of steak, as always. There's no flossing.

It's visual. He's very vibrant, I'll tell you that much. Have you switched into a T-shirt there underneath the suit jacket? Yeah. Is that what you do? Would you bring a change of clothes for that kind of thing? No, I was just obnoxiously drunk.

You're puked all over your shirt, did you? No, no, no, not at all. Not at all. I went for a nap for an hour and then got back up, apparently. that's good. Don't remember. Apparently I was dancing until 6 a.m.

That's not a nap. That's a blackout. More than likely, yeah. Yeah, well, that's pretty much all we have for us this week, lads. We've got other things to do tonight. We've a few big cards coming up in the next few weeks as well.

A few big episodes. A big episodes, yeah. And we've, you know, we've could be poor in, what, three weeks' time. And we've Jessica And Raj and Zhang come up, which would I think be a great fight. Yeah, I'm actually looking forward to that one at a lot. Yeah, Zhang looks like a bloody, absolute killer.

And you'd have to imagine then the winner of Watterson and Yin Jacek will take on the winner of whoever leaves there with a title. I think it's a bit early for Zang, but I don't think it's going to be our last title shot. That's what I'll say about that. But I can't wait for the fights this weekend. I'm genuinely fired up to Washington. 100% Comain and Maine, unbelievable.

And obviously Romero and Costa as well, just, you know, fabulous fights. And I think that's what, you know, we do complain at times about the oversaturation of UFC in the world especially the many of cards they put on but you know this one this weekend we can't be complaining because it's these are the

fights I think you're reddish you know viewing as well it's going to be one of the ones you look back at the end of the year and go that's what happened this year that was crazy and it's three fights and just want to thank you all again for the reviews you're leaving on MMA fight on iTunes thank you very very much we love you all

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