MMA Fighting - Eurobash: Episode 61 (w/ Michael Page, James Webb)

Episode Date: November 19, 2019

London headliners Michael Page (15:00) and James Webb (43:00) join the podcast ahead of their pivotal bouts at Bellator London and Cage Warriors 111. Petesy Carroll and Niall McGrath discuss the headlines in European MMA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Mr. Noel McGrae here looking very, very bad. I mean, you might have seen one of several hundred social media posts about him having a cold, but he somehow managed to turn on his computer and sit down and graces this week. I mean, what a hero, what a modern day saint. Noel McGrath braving a cold to record an hour-long podcast. Well done, well done. That's me clapping. You're irritating me off the bat straight away.

This is a great start. Easily irritated if you're going to be this dramatic about a cold, you know? I'm not being dramatic. You're the one fucking, I don't know. You're so much hate. Why are you so much hate in your system? Do you think you're going to make it through? Maybe, maybe not.

We'll find out. You'll find out. You rode out of wheel yet or anything. Shut up. I'm going to smash this computer off the window. There'll be no earobach. So you've had a cold since Tuesday of last week and you're still sick? I am actually, yeah.

You can probably hear my voice. Like, I'm not. You're the one making a big issue of this. All right, go on. Go on, just get on with the show. You're annoying me. I don't know how you played compared to rugby and you're this much of a wuss when it comes to being sick.

It's unbelievable. I'll tell you what, I haven't had a bloody antibiotic in over 10 years, 15 years. So don't be calling me that. I'm tough as nails. Like, why, do people generally consume antibiotics on a daily basis? Like, what's going on? Well, a lot of people do, yeah. It must be a south side thing.

We had a big, big week of MMA, last. week I don't know if you could see it because you know your vision probably went for a whirl with that cold it's so bad but there was UFC South Paulo there was Bellator in Israel there was a big week with the IMAF tournaments a medal chart has not been released for that yet I would love to see who dominated the stakes this time around and of course there was brave CF and with an unfortunate debut for Ireland's own right here's course Curtis and before we get into that we'll have to take a look at the news.

This is number one bullshit. So Michael Page has got a new opponent. It's Giovanni Mellello, who was making his Bellator debut on the card in the main event, which is quite a big jump-up for him, I assume. Chris Bungard will also now face Benjamin Brander after his initial opponent, Mario Soide, has withdrawn from the action. Another new replacement for Paddy Pimble.

It's Joe Giannetti, tough finalist for Paddy now, after his much anticipated a bout with Donovan Desme fell through. Ross Pearson suffered a devastating rolling thunder knockout this weekend at the heel of Davy Gallin and MTK MMA

not really the return to MMA that people had hoped to see from Ross. Own Roddy says he will be in Connemer Greggar's corner when the Irishman does return to the Octagon. He has muted a January 18th return but the UFC have yet to confirm that. New Grockhold

will take on Nick Rodriguez on November 30 at Polaris in Newport, Wales. A big big name for the grappling card there. I'm sure a lot of people would be getting down to Newport to see that. Also, finally, and I think this is interesting because of the promotion that's

involved. Taylor Lappalus has become the latest USC veteran to sign for Ares Fighting Championship. Ventee Sports are the driving force behind this promotion, which is also being backed by Fernand Lopez, who has brought the world, Mr. Francis and Gano and Cyril Gann. They're doing the first event in Dakar, Senegal on December 14th.

And there's a lot of money coming in there from Ventee who own Canal Plus. Cannell Plus, is that? Yeah, French Station. Yeah, they also have the African networks as well. It's going to be an African-European promotion. A lot of money, as I said, going in there, a lot of backing. So it will be interesting to see how they get on, especially with the... Huge money.

Yeah, and especially with France being making the sport legal, I feel like, you know, with a bit of money there, areas can be become like a cage warriors for France or something like that. So it's interesting one to keep an eye on for that one. Definitely. That's pretty much all the news. Did I miss out there? I feel like I've missed up. There's been a load of sort of fight announcements all over the place, but we'd be here all week if we were talking about them. But no, I don't, I think you think you'd pretty much nailed everything on the head. I mean, very interested about that Aries, as we talked about at the end there, I think it's, as you said, I think it's the right time for someone to start up something in the French market with the TV deals with the legalization of the sport it could be a very very good move but again um you know it's going to be interesting to see how much um and how stable this flow of money is going to be because we've often seen guys you know come in with big books and then obviously you know pull out after uh after a while that's not working too long so so let's see how that one works out but it's it is it's good news for the French scene definitely a skeptical eye we'll keep on that one um right so are you, Peter? You haven't told us how you are. How was your

week? It was all right. I had a bit of a funny day on Saturday. I was at home. I was watching the fights. And the lovely Alliance Slater, my wonderful partner in crime rang me at about 3 a.m. and she said, pick me up. A few drinks involved. And she was like, Peter,

come on down and get me. I'm in Kirstie's house. I mean, no name's house on the Navajo. And I was like, all right. Yeah, give me, I said, give me 30 minutes. to watch the comane and main I said 30 minutes

to an hour and I'll come and get you She's just no problem After 3 4 o'clock Yeah yeah so I watched the call man I watch Paul Craig and show going And the main event starts And around round 2 I look at the clock and I'm like shit

I'm gonna have to go and get her So I stopped watching the fucking main event Got in the car He didn't miss what I drove about 20 minutes to the Navan Road down there Got outside the house rang Elaine's friend Elaine's already after going

I can already head my half with two of my mates. I can just imagine Pety. Holy God. And then, she forgot her phone. Look, she forgot her phone so I couldn't even ring her.

So then I was trying to ring the friend that she left with Ray, Ray and Sarah. And I'm like driving around. Circle around in the state. Just looking for her in case she's just somewhere on the road. But got home about half away.

You know yourself. Jesus. Watched, we tried to catch up on all the fights then, but pretty funny stuff to be fair. It was, I'd say you were like a canary. no it was just funny to be honest because uh alain aline hasn't been out with our mates like that in a long

time and she never fails to deliver and um once again she did not to deliver but at the time i was going like shit i'm gonna miss the whole main event i'd to go back and watch that but as oh as when i got home um the bare knuckle main event was kicked off which is how you love so um stop i was able to watch that at least okay moving on swiftly no bear um yeah i just kind of wanted to briefly talk about this fame MMA UK thing because we have to no like I mean I'm not here to promote it at all

it's the most ridiculous fucking thing I've ever seen in my life they had the press conference there yesterday a bunch of lads I've never even heard of him in me life Charlie Slott the old DJ from fire in the boot was presented it somehow it was ridiculous the lads like talking about fights they've been on nights out basically they think that because they've been

in fights on nights out they think they can fight in MMA. They did these face-offs where they put a microphone in between them as they're facing off so they could talk shouts. Some of the worst fucking slaggings I've ever heard in my life. I just don't like this shit. Like, I mean, it's basically with the looks of James Haskell. Aaron Chalmers, in fairness, he's won our favor in a ways because he went there when he

competed. He challenged himself. Like, Haskell now comes signs and now he's in the jungle. And now it is fucking not. like whoever they are fighting in MMA. It's just, it just makes the sport look like you can just walk into it from any walk of life and succeed.

And I don't like that, that vibe. I don't like that message. No, I agree. It's ridiculous. It's a direct quote. I've been on nights out.

I've been in scraps. I know what this is. Ridiculous. No, it is. I totally agree with you. And I think it's, you know, it just evaluates the sport.

It takes the pace out of it. You know, guys like myself, yourself, of guys in the European scene who've been trying to sort of legitimise the sport and we've to deal with this shit and see this shit and it's it's an embarrassment. It is. It's a total embarrassment and I saw it for like two

seconds, I think Al For him was interviewing some of the fans or something like that and I was like I actually just got so angry like it sort of built up inside me that I nearly I just went, listen if I watch any more this I'm going to be in a worse mood than I am so I better not watch it. I just turned it off straight away. Yeah. Like I mean it was just mad that the press conference

was two hours long. Was it that long? Oh Jesus. Thank God. And, you know, whatever about Al Farron, like, get paid, mate. Like, I don't, I don't hate on you for this. Yeah, no, I'm not saying. No, I'm just saying the whole thing. It's not to assist because of him. It's a promoter's trying to earn a quick book.

And this quick money that's involved in MMA only cheapens it, man, every time. And so, yeah, that's, it's hilarious, though. I'll tell you that much. It's, I don't know how people. They did one in Poland. It's basically like a reality TV show, you know? It's terrible. Even Charlie Slots, like, big up one of them.

the fights between two lads I've never heard of and he's like so which one of you went out with our first and all? I'm like what the fuck. They've had events they've already had events in Poland this is the first UK one yeah the Polish geys are up there and he was embarrassing as well it was embarrassing I saw there was

a smaller gentleman fighting the bigger gentleman and all this kind of stuff and the Polish one 66 kilos versus 78 kilos it was an absolute it's a joke it's an absolute piss take and I think anyone who really to be honest to even can see you should be pretty ashamed of himself because if they are mixed martial arts fans

because it's absolutely dire shit it's I'll tell you what's freaking me out a bit someone's gonna get hurt with things like that people are asking Aaron Chalmers like oh would you fight one of these guys like Aaron's fought professional fighters okay like if if they try and start making his next opponent come from an event like this

that that really cheapens what he's done oh yeah 100% away from it I'll have to do an about turn on his situation if they start trying to match him with these lads with quiffs and whatever else who've gone to the gym twice and they're now going to fight each other. I'm not really... Yeah, I didn't like...

I'll tell you one thing I didn't like, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bellator did something like that because they openly entertained open ways there recently in a tweet they put out on social media. So, you know, I don't think they should be even

entertaining that kind of shit because it's, you know, it's just a shock and look for mixed martial arts. And obviously one of the bigger scenes in the world doing stuff like that. So, no. not down with it, brother. Not down with it at all. Just finally, huge, huge reaction to last week's podcast.

Massive, obviously, with Tom King's interview on there. And of course, we had Paul Craig as well, keeping the Euro bash, not losing streak alive, I'll say. Got to draw. But a huge, massive numbers, thanks to thousands and thousands of people who listen to it. Well, done. Great interview with Tom. I thoroughly enjoyed it. when I was editing

the black next day. He had to say much, man. He was very good. It's hard to believe that Tom hasn't really, you know, done a huge amount of interviews because very professional I thought

like I was just basically, but he's the kind of guy and I think it's good for a coach to be like that. Sometimes it's better when coaches aren't out doing... To show away from the abrasiveness of the game, basically.

Yeah, but that, and when a coach doesn't get his head in the media every two minutes, you don't want, some fighters don't enjoy their coaches being in the spotlight, being in the media, doing interviews.

Tom rarely does. that and he hasn't for years so um it is good to hear what he had to say but sometimes it can be a bit of a distraction i think um you know from your own personal point of view if you're out doing things like that if you're a coach it's like a lot of agents in uh you know apart from m m mhm a agent seem to love the microphone but you look on any sort of sport around the world you very rarely rarely see agents or anything like that doing interviews so yeah yeah and i mean it's it's a big big story i guess for um european m mma with the spg story being so prominent but you know after doing that interview, Tom kind of made a line

in the sand, like, that's the end of that. So, fair enough, we tried to get John on to speak about it. You can understand he doesn't really want to speak about things like that, but really, I just wanted to say thanks very much to everyone who listened, because it was huge for us, and we've been blown away about a number since we started this, but

there's bigger weeks and there's smaller weeks, but that was very, very good. So, we get on with the first interviewer today, Nailor? Why not, my brother? Why not my brother? unfortunately I spoke to Michael Venom Baye when he was still fighting Derek Anderson

so we're going to have to get rid of that chunk of the interview but a lot lots more things of interest to talk to Mr Venom about obviously the Mergliata thing the last time in Dublin was a huge thing

so we talked a bit about that it seems like they've they've settled the score there so to speak not that he really wants to get into it knowing that we're going to be banging up an article on anything he says about that situation so

I heard Belator entertaining a fight between to see with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be on fame MMA, UK too. But it's, I also ask them about,

because when we were in Dublin, a formidable journalist from the UK, oh, is this this question? No, a formidable journalist with the UK had told us that basically a fight between MVP and Paul Daly

was set in stone for that November date in London and we know now that's not happening. I didn't have to ask him about that as well. Oh, God. Oh, God. But, yeah, I asked him about a few other things. So he's going to listen to that and check it out.

I think it will be a bit shorter because we have to cut the Anderson chunk out. But we'll be back in roughly seven to ten minutes, I'd imagine. And now we are joined by the kickboxing spectacular himself, Mr. Michael Venom Page, who was coming off that win. over Richard Coily in Dublin. Michael, how are you? I'm doing great. Feeling good, as you say, I'm going off the win,

so just kept the momentum going straight back into training, so feeling good. Has there been anything said since? I remember you spoke to us afterwards, and you told me directly that, you know, you had an issue with Dan Mergliotta there. There was lots of reaction around the world to this. I mean, has that situation improved?

Has there been any feedback to you on the situation with Dan? Yeah, I was in New York the other day, spoke to Dan. He came up to me and he apologized for just the whole thing. We had a nice discussion. So that, for me, that episode is now past, you know. It's just something, it's old news now. You know, that's all I said. I wanted to have a face-to-face with him.

And all respect to him, he came out to me. And yeah, we've squashed that. So it's just a thing of the past now. How did he explain that situation to you? Like, does he say, I'm in the wrong? Did you gain anything from that conversation where you could see where he's coming from at all? Or did you just feel as though he just needed to put a full stop on the situation?

Yeah, for me now, it's just a full stop on the situation. I don't care to go over specifics. I think that would probably further, or that would probably keep us in bad terms because we're probably not disagreeing or something. You know what I mean? So I thought, you know, I suspect to say, you know, appreciate the fact that he made the effort to come over and, you know, just apologize for any, any bad blood or me feeling in, never feel about him in any way. And I just accepted that for what it is. And we just kept, you know, shook hands, kept them moving from there. So it's for me. I felt like there was, like, an incredible amount of backlash because of your performance that night.

Like, and I mean, we've seen a lot worse in it, like, the octagon. the UFC in different Belator fights back in the lead XC days. I mean, are you surprised when you see this people saying like, oh, he's clowning on this guy, despite you saying that he wasn't on your level beforehand, you're basically showcasing that in there, and then there's all this backlash. Like, I mean, does that surprise you when it happens? Because I was a bit taken aback by it, to be honest. Yeah, but for me, people's responses are very unpredictable, man.

It's like the English weather, so. You'll never know, you'll never predict or you'll never get why people say. A lot of times it's very cheapest mentality. You know, if a couple of people start saying one thing, everywhere he jumped on the same, on the bandwagon and just start saying the same thing. But yeah, it doesn't bother me at all. There was a lot of talk backstage in Dublin, even before you fought Richard, that, you know, they were going to try and make the daily rematch for London.

Was that a conversation that was ever had? I mean, this was pretty rampant backstage in Dublin. And then, I mean, was there talk of the daily rematch for this London card? No, that's never been on the table. He's already, he always already had a fight. So he would never have been necessarily have been ready to commit to something in London. The same as myself when I just had a fight, London came about two weeks afterwards. There's no way else going to be able to people asking, oh, how come you're not on the show?

it's like, people don't realize after a fight, you haven't got to come down and try and train for another fight a week afterwards would be ridiculous, but yeah, that was never going to be in a table. Obviously, Diego Lima has got that big win over Rory MacDonald recently in their rematch.

Are you surprised by that? I mean, what is your opinion of Lima after being in there with him? Did you know he was capable of going on to claim that title? I had already predicted him as being a winner. So it wasn't a shock to me. I'm happy for him.

I have anybody in the whole of this game of MMA. If I could have lost to anybody, I'm happy with him. I do respect him as a person in the martial arts. So, yeah, I'm happy for him and his family. It's great. But I'm coming to take it back for him. So I hope he enjoys it now. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know,

That is something that you want, you will want that rematch. How far do you feel that you are away from that? I mean, do you feel like you need to maybe string a few more wins together? No, that's fair. For me, I want that immediately, you know, as soon as possible. So, well, it's definitely in the new year. Just thinking about my career. And then I'm just getting that rematch, as soon as possible. I was so impressed with your ground game in the first round of that fight.

Like, I mean, to keep him kind of nullified. as you were on your back, I thought it was so impressive, and I feel like the loss has kind of, and the spectacle of the loss has kind of taken away from that. Like, I mean, when you look back on that fight, do you take a lot of positives from what happened despite the knockout? Yeah, no, 100%. I said this to a few people,

so I actually felt like I was in control the whole time. I felt, from start to finish, up until the finish, I felt like that was the more dominant one, landing more in and out, landing my shots. obviously rocked him and I feel like I just got a bit over excited after his leg's excited to wobble and then no messed up from there but I know if I fact that I can keep that momentum going and I'm going to be an even better fighter

this next time so I'm looking forward to it. It's funny right because I know so many people will be like open arms when they read that you want an immediate rematch after this but I mean I think I think Lima will want the fight as well because of the amount of eyes you bring to the fight, right? I mean, that's probably the biggest win of his career because it came against you. Yeah, 100%. And I think he's already mentioned and said that he'd be happy to give me that rematch. So, yeah, it's great that he's already in that frame of mind.

I think we both have a nice, very mutual respect for each other. So it's good. Absolutely. Just one last question, Michael, and thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. No problem. I just was wondering about Mike Shipman v. Fabian Edwards.

Do you get a lot of time training with Mike? And how do you feel as though that fight will go? I get a lot of time training with Mike. That's like my brother. So we train all the time. He's a beast of a person, beast of a human, very strong. And I'm actually more excited about that fight than I have my own fight.

I'm telling you. Obviously the few has been there for a little while. but I look forward to seeing shipment not Fabian they seem to be kind of nearly riding off Mike because of his last fight but we both know that Kostlo van Steensis is an outlier he's an incredible fighter he's an incredible fire yeah 100%

do you feel as though people are kind of overlooking Mike with this one because Fabian has become such a talked about commodity under the Bellator banner yeah I I definitely do but I actually feel like they're all the hype in Fabian, but mainly because of who his brother is, not necessarily because of his abilities.

He's doing well 100% but I don't think there's anything you can see in that he's done. That makes you think he should be the one that's known as the favorite. But I guess he's a bit more popular at the moment. But, you know, that's why I can't wait for the turnaround. You feel as though Mike can take all of that momentum once he defeats Faye? Fabian. 100%. Yeah, 100%.

He's a very cool and collected guy. The people that really haven't even seen the most of Mike yet, so I'm just looking for him to just explode after this one. Michael, thank you so much, my friend. It's always a pleasure to speak to you. I can't wait to see the fight and I will see you again soon. Excellent. Take care. All the best, boy.

Great to speak to Michael again on Eurobash. As you know, this is where the stars of Yerobach. the stars of European come European MMA come Jesus Christ on the world of sports and the world of European that was the world of European MAA.

Well that's why it is you know what I mean? You know my back is killing me from holding this together I would say the continent of European mixed martial arts on the continent. Can you speak again now?

Oh my God. What a miraculous recovery of this episode. Just shut up. Just shut up looking like the fucking emperor out of Star Wars here at the start. I am. I still look like I'm still. Look, I haven't changed. I do. I actually am quite pale, I'm like.

I mean, how much your armaz makeup did you use before? I want to get a fuck out of here, will you? Get on with the show, you fuck, prick. Wrecking me head. Right, let's try and get through this quickly because there's so fucking much of it. Good night for European MMA in South Paulo, Brazil. Obviously, veterans of Eurobash, Jan Blackovitz and Paul Craig, getting the results. all that surprising from people who come on this show

for winners. But split decision win from Blackovich and over Jack Gray, not the most eventful fight in the world, but he gets the job done nonetheless. Terrible fight. It wasn't great and a lot of grapping him up against the cage and I was all right. I'm glad Elaine dragging away from it.

You probably were. I watched again last night and it was punishing. It was actually torture. It wasn't a good scrap. A common event wasn't great either. I think fair enough as well. I thought that was a good fight. It was okay. It was better than the main event. I think Paul Craig be happy with that result. Yeah, probably did shade it towards Shogun unfairness.

But yeah, split draw. Yeah, I'm sure he'd be very happy with that. You know, taking on two weeks' notice as well. Going into a backyard like that, very, very hostile atmosphere, a very, very tough place to go against, you know, a legend of the sport. Decent performance, yeah, good. Not getting a title shot. You are very high on, yeah, no, it's not going to get, Jan, a title shot.

No, you needed a, you need a, you need a, devastating knockout like you had over Rockhold to get that. I'm a little bit surprised while the Reyes chat as well. I know it's linked back to the division, you know, and I'd like to see Corey Anderson. If John Jones is saying, I'm interested in this, that's the way it's going to go. Yeah, true, true.

But yeah, common events, main events. Yeah, not great, but like, yeah, better fights in the car. Charles Iverer is brilliant to that. Yeah, well, tell us, yeah, you are, you were whacks and lyrical about Charles Oliver on Saturday night there. It was just a fantastic performance.

How many times have we seen this guy? You know, he's fought everyone. Yeah, what's the better opponent? That's a bloody being. Yeah, I think, you know, they were given, you know, Jared Gordon, before he came in the UFC, there was a lot of hype around him. He suffered a couple of really bad knockouts, and Charles finished up beautifully there in his feet.

And that upper cut at the end just to, you know, totally finish him off, was absolutely, you know, insane. But a guy who just improved so much, you know, we know how good his Jits game is, you know, the most, I think, finishes in the UFC now, second most finishes in 15. Unbelievable, really good Jits, but his stand-up as well.

Alman, totally underrated. Really good Maitai scales and we saw that again on Saturday night. Good I make your cocktails, is he? Yeah, he is. Look, I just don't understand how you end up with Jared Gordon, you know, a guy with an even record

in the UFC when you're on a foy-foy win streak. I understand. I think they were giving, you know, Jared maybe a chance, another chance and it's probably going to be tough for him now, you know, a good fire, a good story in his life, a marketable enough guy,

but it's obviously hasn't worked out for him. But Charles, yeah, I know, I totally agree. Charles should be fighting upper echelon guys because he's fought half of fucking the UFC roster anyway if you look at his record he's never shied away from a fight didn't like the call out at the end thought it was silly

you know they're not going to run back Paul Felder or Connor McGregor and I thought it was very very silly like come on let's be realistic here guys and that really fucking annoys me when guys get in the microphone and do something that's totally totally um sort of just not going to happen like you know what I mean you're a guy who's

more or less pretty silent you even admitted that in the mic that you know oh I normally take you the UFC you know put in front of me and now I want to make a call out. Well, why didn't you do that three or four fights have got me? Do you know what I mean? So, move it on it. Those fights aren't happened, but brilliant performance from Charles. Hmm.

You know what I mean? Is Felder that wild of a call-out? Well, he beat Paul, he beat him two, three fights back. I don't think it's a good, like, why would Paul want that fight now when he's, he's looking ahead. You know, Paul's looking at, you know, he said it to us. He wants Dustin Porrier, he wants Justin Gaichie.

He wants the guys ahead of him. So I don't really see it happening. And that's only three fights ago for Paul. I don't see Paul turn into this sort of guy where he's doing a lot of rematches. Six points ago for Charles Olivero. All right. Six wins ago. Yeah, well, Charles fights every feck and second week, that fella normally.

But it doesn't mean that's a bad. I don't need that's a bad. Oh, no. Paul's one of these guys where he's... Connor's ridiculous. Yeah, that is ridiculous. But, you know, why would Paul get into sucked into doing a lot of rematches? You know, he's done one already.

You know, he's done a... I just don't get that for Paul. I don't think makes any sense. He didn't want to fight Edson Barboza? No, he did want to fight. he did want to fight Edson. He doesn't want to fight him again. It doesn't make much sense.

Yeah, I mean, talking about a rubber match for Paul. So, like, why would Paul want to go and face Oliver again? I don't think it makes sense for Paul. Maybe not, but I mean, I don't know if it made sense for Edson Barbosa when they fought the second time either. You know, sometimes you just got to take what's there, especially with lightweight is so sewn up at the moment. I don't think that's a bad show, but the Connor one is a... Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. Right. moving on to Bellator 2, 3, 4, which happened on Thursday. Caught me by surprise. Yeah, caught me by surprise. I know what that happened. Woke up to see. In my Instagram.

She made, Cavanagh, absolutely hopping the head off Olga Rubin. Jesus, they were some... She bet their brakes off. Didn't she? Like, Rubin was sort of looking the other way. It was one of those ones when she's up against the cage, just getting starched. And, Jesus, there were some precise and powerful shots from Mrs. Cavana. And fucking hell, man.

The ref did a good job jumping in there to stop. I probably could have stopped at a two or three shots before. I put it out a video but I just tweeted like how ferocious display was or whatever the amount of dickheads in the comments talking about maybe she should have mixed it up with some low kicks do you see what she's doing to that

that woman in there she's piecing her apart like what more can you do like that's hilarious that you know makes me laugh on people come out with that hey man just letting you know she should be mixing up to the legs fuck you she should be

she should say that the snake can she'll beat the shit out of you too mate there should be a knee up the middle there shut the fuck up she's piecing her to get her why would she change it Think about it, guys. She's in there to finish the fight. She's doing it perfectly well.

Get a grip. Fucking crazy, man. Unreal. A lot of Israelis in action there, as would be commonplace in Israel, I suppose. But so shocked with the main event, man. Linton Vesel boxes the head officer, Harry Cariton,

dominates him in the grappling exchanges, gets the second round win, it turned around the three fights skid. And it stops a seven-void win streak, I believe, for actually Sharitano. Caritano, unbelievable. Savage, yeah. we didn't predict that last week

we were literally like routed off completely yeah I don't think a lot of people would have to be honest you if we're fair about it but yeah big win for Vassel and he's back in there now and that's going to shoot him way up to feckin heavyweight rankings there at Bellator Roger Huerta there

lost in the common event Is he still fighting? Yeah we heard last year that they were talking about there was whispers I believe of Redmond Paul Redmond and Roger Huerta that wouldn't be a great time for Paul I remember that Yeah, I remember that.

I look forward to seeing who they match him with when, for February, because if you consider that he was going to fight, you know, someone at the very top of the division. It's interesting to see who don't match him when he's coming back. Hopefully he keeps that momentum, L. Red. Yeah, so Brave CF went down. Oh, yeah. Wednesday night.

Was it Wednesday, Thursday? Thursday. I caught a bit of it. I saw Ryan's fight. I'm not going to lie. I didn't watch the rest of it. I turned on. Tune in for Ryan.

Well, there's a title fight at the top. Obviously, Jose Shorty Torres, mental defender. Pulled out. Withrew on the week of the fight, you were passing of his father, said it was affecting him mentally. So credit to him for even showing up there and considering taking the fight.

As I'm at Mursa Kanoff, won, retained the heavyweight title, I believe, with a first round knockout. Sorry, I saw Peter's guys. I saw Phillips guy. Matisse, yeah. Very nice. nice win checked leg kick that's his win

and we've seen this so many times in the UFC unfortunately for Hussein Mackey's opponent leg break off of the check and that is unfortunate but that's the way it goes sometime Amir al-Bazi defeats Ryan Curtis with a first round key lock that's far from the debut that Ryan would have wanted

there incredibly tough tasks straight away and his debut for the promotion yeah I know hindsight's a wonderful thing but you know was it the right fight to go in and take from Ryan not so much now you know Amir Al-Badzi

obviously you know a lot of hype there from London shoot fighters and you know I'm sure maybe a slower bill would have been would have been better

but listen it's all it's all well and good talking about it now yeah I mean I'm sure Ryan was looking at like I beat Albazi that sets me up for Torres I beat Torres

and I go to the UFC but you know didn't go his way this time it's going to be interesting to see how he bounces back from that. Rani Sadda also suffered a loss to Kazum Kazimov of second round von Fluchok. He was supposed to fight.

That's right. Dean Garneth, but I had heard early in the week that Dean had suffered a broken jaw. So he was unable to take that fight. That's a bad injury to suffer. Of course, no surprises there. So, yeah, that's onto barrennuckle. I only caught the main event, as I said earlier,

due to Elaine's emergency phone call from the Navin Road, which turned out to be fruitless for me. Didn't watch any of it, as you know. Yeah, I know. But, you know, good for it again. I feel like Knight and Loboff put on

far more appealing fights than Loboff v. fucking Polly Malinazia or whatever. I think these fights are way more exciting. It was really good. Night and I took the first two rounds I felt Arcton, came back into it over to the third and fourth, and then unfortunately a shot to the eye stopped Artham in the fifth.

Just a bit worrying seeing Artim go down like that. I think he's okay. So his corner man taking a very close look. I was just kind of worried about his eye afterwards. I think it's all right. Haven't heard his post-fight comments. And to be honest, this is probably a good thing for Baruncle because, you know, they're already going back to the well

as far as I'm concerned making the second fight between Loboff and Knight so early on in his bare-nuckle tenure. After beating Paul and Azje, he's back fighting the guy who debuted against It shows you the lack of depth, I think, in the promotion. It shows lack of imagination. They should have been trying to make a lot about fight someone bigger again. That should have been the way it goes. But obviously the loss there, it sets up a trilogy.

I'm sure they'll do it. Because this matchup has probably been the biggest one for them, including the management as you one, I think. I don't know anything about the financial backing the guy has behind them. I know he's a wealthy do. But as you said, they're making that fight and the way things are sort of going. And, you know, you see a lot of guys, go in there for one or two fights get their books go out

you know you know i think beck rawlings was there for a while she's back with bellator these m mhmma names and um i'll just be very interested in how long they're going to be around for um you know i think this could be a flash in the pan i've said it from the start and i hope hopefully it is to be honest i have no problem when saying that do you see that they signed the iranian hulk yeah that's an that's even just more laughable when i saw that there on twitter that they're getting natural athletes involved now yeah he's totally natural he doesn't look like a blown-up sheep um yeah

I'm blown up sheep. Let's just move on, man, because I tell you, it gets underneath my skin, that kind of stuff. All right. It's just getting fired up there. I am. I am. I am.

I'm getting pumped over the match as well tonight. I'll talk about the letter. Yeah, yeah. Just a word on the IMAPs there. Congratulations to everyone who competed. If we could just make one request here, if you'd please put out a medal chart, like this is what amateur sport is about.

It's just about sport. So tell us who got the most medals. Do that very prominently. I feel like every year it comes out about the Thursday after the event and you're like, we need this on the Sunday. We need it. The night it finishes, you need to get a medal chart out there.

That's what the Olympics is based on. The medal chart is shown before every single event because that's what people are keeping an eye on. You got to do it if you're doing an event like this. But fantastic again. It seems to be going from strength to strength. Andy Ryan, Patty Eulahan. Who else was always? over there for Ireland.

Dean O' Wade. Dean O'Aid, the commission himself, yeah. And you were telling me, six medals, I believe, the post said.

It was, yeah, it was six medals. We picked up one senior and one junior bronze with the lads and then three silver and one bronze with the girls. So well done to everyone involved.

Well done. Yeah, it is. I agree with you. I think a medal chart should be, you know, especially when you're, you know, I remember.

It needs to be a mainstay throughout the thing. So, like, like if they have a metal chart there and they're updating and say, every midday and then at the end of a day people will be compelled to watch it

if they're like oh shit Ireland they're on the up here you know of course but even even from a sense of you know coverage for the sport you know I remember we had it on here last year on the on the bulletins across the nightmare to cover across the country with the bulletins and yeah and he was the one trying to pull the feck and medals

totals for the lads um because I'm the MMA guy and it's fucking an absolute nightmare to try and find out how many medals were from between the juniors and seniors and things like that so I think it would be a great idea and I think it benefits everyone if they're down. It's a very, very simple thing, and I think it should be already done, to be honest.

Yeah, I think they do need to make it more easier to cover for me, you know? I think that's something they need to work on. You know, every year we get like, oh, why aren't you covering this? Well, it's not easy to cover. It takes logistically, it's like three days work. And as well as that you can't keep track in the medals. And we don't know the value that's put on each medals in terms of a table. Of course.

But it seems to be going from strength to strength. This is still a very new thing. so I feel like it's doing great and look at Mohammed Makayev again yeah another gold medal unbeaten the man's a savage

is it time to turn pro for Muhammad I think it is yeah I'd say I'd say definitely 2020 and to be honest I'd say he's the first ever oh and O fighter I'm going to have in my prospects to watch in 2020

list because I mean he absolutely deserves it right like I mean Rio Yamaguchi the guy who's met him in every final is an unbelievable fight idea. It's just you can't get the gold. Yeah, it's amazing. And to see what he's done, you know, I remember, you know, we've been watching him for quite some time, you know, fights on ice a couple of years ago. And the guys, you know, I think originally, I think it was Stevie and Sean Betts that put us on to him very, very early in his career. And the guy has

just looked like an absolute savage. Kabib, part two from Europe. Yeah, I feel like, given his links with IMAF and Bahrain and stuff like that, maybe Braves and obvious choice there, but I would tell them to make sure they handle him like a debut grow rather than... I saw too many times coming out of IMF with the likes of Franz Malambo. He comes out of IMAF with the gold medal and they throw him into full pro.

You know what I mean? Like, throwing him in against established names. Like, I think Franz in his first five fights fought like three title fights or some shit. No, great, absolutely crazy, you know. That's no way to nurture talent, like, you know? I think, you know, right? Learn from mistakes.

I'd love to see him go, Cage Warriors route. Mocka F. Yeah, I just think Graham and the lads there would know how to handle them a little bit better. Yeah, like I mean, even Belator would like know how to nurture talent better and brave. You know what I mean? Like Belator are pretty good

at nurturing talent. It's just that the time they choose to up the ante sometimes is an extreme dynamic change. Like we saw from James kind of cutting his teeth that going in against Bandai as a champion in our organization.

you know, even Albrexon being put against Phil Davis in his debut, like, killing a mental prospect state. It's just weird. They seem to have no in between. We've talked about it. Yeah, yeah, hundreds of times. Face go red, so there's no point going down that road again. Yeah, so that's everything we have for this week.

Next week is going to be a big car, a big, big week for UK, and I'm made with both Bellator, London, and Cage, whereas 111 going down in the English capital. I'm going to be there for both. So that's where we've had MVP on first. And now we'll go to our cage warriors middleweight champion, Mr James Webb, who will look to continue with the momentum that's been built by Team KF,

Tom King, Chris Fields, Ian Gary, etc. Over the last month or so, seems to be a great time for the gym, you'd have to say, you know? Oh, yeah, 100%. And it's going from strength to strength. Ian's obviously been very, very impressive in this few Cage Warriors' fight so far. James, a gritty, grindy, tough dude who's come over to these shores and won that Cage Warriors world title.

So it is. And I think we saw a few other names that Tom was dropping last week. So, yeah, I'm super excited to see what happens with Team KF. It seems to be growing and growing now. There's a lot of momentum behind the gym at the moment. I think that's momentum we always talk about. It's a massive, massive word in mixed martial arts, and it's massive to have that momentum.

So strength and strength for the lads, looking forward to seeing what happens on the Irish scene, especially here in the next year, definitely. Yes, yes. Of course, you remember the last time James appeared on the show. A lot of people were very worried about him. He was very downtrodden after that controversial draw. He had suffered as a shoulder. Shoulder. A shoulder injury due to being tombstone, basically, twice. I'm not going to his head. I'm just interesting. He was thinking about it, you know, he was thinking about it. He had affected him so badly that fight that he was thinking about retiring afterwards, which is insane when you think he's right there, knocking on the door, that big contract. you have the cage warriors title that's not always how you're perceived and um also that

you know despite everything that happened despite you know a lot of people fight and believing that natuia's kind of you know them illegal kind of slams he used were very bad form etc and james feels nothing personal going into this fight you know so um really interesting hearing him talk and we'll be back in about 20 minutes to relay what's going on with the week ahead when we return my friends i'm here with james i'm here with james James Webb, the middleweight champion of Cage Warriors, who's gearing up for a big, big rematch. He's hulking up here beside me, he's can't see it, but he's gearing up for that big rematch against Antois Frederick. It's quite a rivalry. Their first fight was quite controversial, one of the most talked-about fights on the night of Champions card.

All the way back in June now, first of all, how are you? Because the last time I talked to you, we were talking about the shoulder injury sustained from the tombstone-like maneuver that you was inflicted on you that night. How is the shoulder? yeah i'm good now 90 uh 99% good now so um yeah that's gone that's in the back of my head feeling um i'm feeling supersonic you know i'm feeling uh i feel great honestly i'm i'm ready to go put a fucking show on it's uh the last time you're on the show a lot of people were like getting onto me is james okay they're like you are so like i understand him which this this sport means to you i understand you you sacrifice someone

much in your life to make this happen. I mean, was that a hard time for you in particular after that one? I mean, it felt like there was a lot riding on. People were talking about UFC. People were talking about, you know, you being basically a home. Yeah, you live quite close to London. Was that a tough one to come away with that? Would it, without the win that night?

Very tough. Like, I think I saw that more of a loss than a draw, you know, especially, like, I didn't see it as a lost during the fight. I felt like I won and I still do. But then when the cards went, they were, the way they did. My initial reaction, especially, like, after with my partner, I was a bit like, that's a loss, you know, sore as a loss.

But, you know, if I won the fight and didn't get the finish, I'd still see it as a loss almost, you know, so, yeah, like, it was tough. It was very tough to deal with. I had a tough few weeks dealing with it, and then I had to just suck it up, you know. Like, I trained around the injury. I didn't stop training. get over to Ireland as much but I just couldn't do obviously what I wanted to do so I kept myself fit and then when I was good to go again I've been good to go I think we

was saying yesterday me and Chris San 16 weeks we put in again so so we looked at yeah like and there wasn't like there wasn't like four weeks with the full like the full sparring like what we've been doing for the sort of like last eight to ten but they were they've been fairly intentioned so I've worked harder than I ever worked on any fight again you You know, like every fight you try and work harder than your opponent, and I just can't, I don't see how anyone can outwork me, you know. That's the thing what is a bit disappointing when you come away from the fight.

Again, like, with that draw decision, I, you know, like, I don't know how anyone can, how you get outworked, you know, and that's why I start out on, maybe I don't work that hard, or maybe I need to do more or BS and that. Chris has, like, rained it in a few times, like to slow down a little bit on Cepard. It would be telling me to go rest. It's a known thing about you. I mean, when even speaking to other teammates of yours, Tom, like, I mean, your work ethic, like, I mean, these guys have been around the game for two decades, and they're still like, this is unbelievable.

So it's funny that that made you question that. That's crazy to me. You just never know what anyone else is, I don't know what anyone else is doing. So I haven't been, you know, I grappled a lot and back at ZR and in the UK, like, you know, all the guys there would all have a, all have a. similar work ethic, you know? And then I never really was around the MMA scene, really, until I sort of met Chris and seeing what he put in. And I just thought,

well, he does that, I need to do more, because I need to be I need to support, I need to be better, you know, like he, and he wants me to be better, you know, so I don't, I couldn't actually tell you what a good week would look like or a solid week would look like, because for me, like, it's never enough, you know, so like, if I, if I can get anywhere, like, into 15 sessions of training the week than I feel like I've had a good week

you know I'd never like be like oh that was a suit I'd never compliment myself that much but I think that's a good thing as well because I'm always trying to just be better you know always you were like from when I spoke to you last to when I've seen you're so, sorry

in Cork last weekend I've seen you now and you're so upbeat you're buzzing it seems like you're nearly vibrating there I'm talking to you like I mean does it take a lot to get from there to there you know from that James Webb to this James Webb or is it just simply a matter of point it behind you after after the fact when you were quite upset about it to this going now

who's there seems like buzzing for action it took a little bit you know like uh i just had to loa was saying about the work ethic i i had to step away from the this for a little bit obviously due to the injury and work on other areas in my life so um my partner um family friends um and obviously like i i was sort of then neglecting the friend my friends here and know, like Chris and stuff. And it was a, I don't know, it was a mixture of both, like, with my partner and our situation going on and with Chris, getting on to me, like, you know, like, let's just go, let's do it.

That sort of brought me back out, you know, like I feel like, I don't know, I feel like I could have easily quite got lost in that, you know, without the right people around me. I could have just been like, damn done, you know. but um yeah part of me as in hang up your gloves like i mean it was that that annoying yeah i mean that sounds perfect didn't it as well but like um i was a bit like is this for me you know i don't know and obviously it is you know it's fucking this is what i want to do you know like i fucking my record says that the fucking past near decade of competing

says that you know like i've put loads into this and i i have i've got a lot out of it and it's still fucking more to come, you know. That this little blip in the road on the night of champions was was meant to be, was meant to happen, you know? And it will be put right in eight days or nine days whenever it is. Do you, is it one of those things

that you can learn a lot from though? Like, I mean, when you come away from it, I know it probably took you a while before you say, right, let's sit down and see what happened there. I mean, in terms of like, I can remember straight after the fight, Chris, you, Tom, Ian Gary, we're all like, I don't understand how the judges did this,

you know, and how did this happen? You guys, everyone I spoke to nearly from the team had you before won. So does it take a different kind of, you know, you have to put a different hat on and go back and watch this fight and then try and discover why the judges might have done that? Yeah, I think for a long time I have sort of won MMA fights off the back of like using a lot of jiu-jitsu and like almost just putting people into positions I want them to be in. So, like, you know, when you're a better grappling than people, a far better grappling than most of them anyway, you end up, like, showing them things, and they do that. You know, it's like a very...

Set in traps. Yeah, there's a set in traps. And then Chris said for a long time, you know, like, need to get out of that a little bit. And it sort of was... I'm glad it was a draw in hindsight than it would have been a loss because I think a lot more can be learned...

You know, like they say, you learn more from the loss. I think a loss would have slowed down the momentum of wherever you're going in the future. I think the draw, I've taken, yeah, I've got the belt. I'm still having my streak. I still feel like I haven't really changed from where I was back in June, you know. So my success was like my demise that night, and I just had to change it. And that's what I've done. I kind of think, I can't remember the last time I've submitted someone.

I haven't done it. I just, that's what I'm doing now. Yeah, I don't even care if I don't, I don't. I'm not even looking for a submission. I'm just looking to throw as many shots as I can and using my grappling to keep position more than to search for the neck or for the back or the mount. And that's what happened.

When you're with someone, it doesn't want to engage in those situations and does like unorthodox stuff to escape. You know, it completely throws your game out of the window. And like I said, I feel like that was, that draw had to had to change my whole game plan you know and I did that before I did that

yeah definitely I feel like a different person you know I had to be a different person now like I said I was in a weird state of mind and I changed that you know like I not that I was in a very never in a bad place you know you just know how it is with a sport you're just like yeah exactly yeah I didn't know like what we said after like how do I

how do you're and how, you know, that's how I was at. But yeah, there has been an evolution, you know, and there's been a lot of time put into this camp and working on those areas where I would, I'd almost fail at. I wouldn't be as good at, you know, and I'm, like I said, I'm glad it wasn't a loss that made me change it. I'm glad it was a, it was the draw, and I've still got my momentum, and I'm still like, I'm still going to push to the UFC, you know, and that's the aim.

I'm going to finish this fight, and I'm going to go on sign to the U.S. UFC. It adds something to this though, the fact that, you know, there was a bit of commotion in the last fight. You know, there was some, you know, people thought it was dirty what Natoyas did to you, the shoulder injury kind of tombstone you into the ground like that. Does it feel different, does it feel personal between you two guys as opposed to different fights you've had in the past or do you try and put that to the back of your head? No, not really. I feel if I, if you're getting personal, it's more, you're you're going to get consumed by that person. Like, he's the same to me as any other opponent. Do you know what I'm just going to go and work my game plan

and think like I did in the last fight. I just going to go and do what I did, you know. Like, I dictated the pace of that fight and I dominated that fight, you know. And I'll go out and do the same again, but in less rounds, you know. But no, it's not a personal thing to me. Like, it's, like, whatever. That's obviously all he's got in the locker to look to defend the takedown, you know. So that's great for me, you know.

That's my first chain of attack that failed double is my first chain of attack. I have about eight other options. So if you can defend that first one now, you've got another seven that's going to be coming at you, you know. And I hit that first chain of attack 12 times, so good luck. It's a big one for me in terms of, you know, Team KF is blowing up at the moment, that huge event in Cork. with Ian Gary and Omran last week, even that, even with the stuff with Ian Gary and Belator and the lead up to it, then you have Tom and John Kavana's situation, which we put a line through as far as Team KF is concerned, but it's all kind of mounting momentum for your team.

And I see, I think team Renegade is the same in the UK, they're a massive, massive team. Do you think that kind of adds to the storyline here? Because it does for me, because I mean, I think they're both amazing teams. They're pretty, pretty new and doing amazing things already. Yeah, I think that's very fair to say I think Team Renegade have done an amazing job in the UK You know They're probably the best

They are probably the best team in England right now You know and they've produced a lot of savages You know So yeah, that's a fair statement And I think over this way Team KF have done exactly the same thing You know There's not another team in Ireland

That have come close to the win rate Like the win ratio that we've got In all aspects of combat Not just in the MMA team It's the BGA team It's the BGA team with Tom King and the striking team with Chris you know and the MMA team obviously the win ratio is massive like we're we're smashing it you know so it's it's it's good you know

you got two two top gyms and you could arguably say two top gyms in in Europe now you know which is definitely a fair comment you know it feels a bit mad to even start stating things like that but like yeah definitely um with the guys that they've produced and we're producing etc like yeah they're definitely, it's a nice, you know, for the fans and for the gyms, I'm sure, like, for both gyms, it'll be like a where are we at sort of thing, you know? But just going back to the Cage Warriors Cork thing as well, like, you're talking about on round the knee and, like, I ever really enjoyed myself down at Cork the other week, and those two were fantastic, you know, like they both put on great performances, you know,

like way above their age, if that's the right way to put it, you know, like they perform. Yeah, like I said, we didn't know who Thomas Jefferson was earlier, so you shouldn't have said that. I don't even know if I can put a sentence together properly. But, yeah, they perform fantastic, you know, so I'm really proud of both of them. And that, like, spurred me on, you know, like, it's really, like, spurred me on. You see your teammates are winning and it adds a little bit of pressure, too, but I think a good pressure because you're like, you have, you can't, I don't want to be that guy that brings out 95% win right down I'm not going to be either

you know so it's a good pressure it adds to you and that's why this team's doing so well because even though we're all great friends here we all fucking love each other we all have that thing

where we're trying to each yeah but not in like a it's not in a way where like anyone's doing any wrong to anyone but you know you don't want to be that guy that slips up you're nice

you're always making your sessions you're always pushing each other Ian's trying not to get taken down by me, that's all he's ever trying to say to me. He's like, I'm not going to get taken down, you know? But like, and we were talking about this yesterday and he was saying to me, like, but I said to him, like, when you stop getting taken down by me, that's when you've, like, leveled up and then I'll level up because I'll take you down again, you know? And that's what's happening. Like, we're just, we're constantly, everyone's on these battles.

I don't want this to happen. I don't want that to happen. And we're just, we're all, like, buzzing off at each other, you know? And that's the, that's the mentality Chris has set here, you know, Chris and Tom of both, like, laid the foundation. if that's the right term again. And yeah, fucking, we're just, we respect it and we're trying to, we're trying to honor it as well. And we're trying to, we're trying to give Chris and Tom something to be really proud of, you know, and that's, I think that's the direction we're going right now.

I've got two more questions. I see Tom peeping his head around there. I don't want to get bashed before I leave here, but it's, I think it's special that that Patty Pimlitz on this card for you because Patty brings so much eyes. I mean, he's, he's one of the most, fame promotional faces, Cage Warriors ever produced, and he's back, and there's excitement. He has a new opponent now. I mean, you know, I'm going to ask you a final question after this about you and the UFC

with me and Tom talked about, but I mean, does that add to it for you? Like the fact that, you know, a lot more hours are going to be on this event with Paddy on the card. It gives you an opportunity to become a commodity as well, you know? I was really excited when Paddy was on the card, if I'm honest with you. Like, I've actually been a big fan of, like, of his for a while, like a really big fan. I like a lot of, I like his style. He's a good grapple, you know, and I can appreciate that, you know.

So I was excited when he was on the card, you know. I'm hoping he doesn't get that top spot. I'm sure he won't now, you know. But it's such a total on the line there. It's so nice, though. You know, it's great to, like, I've been on a few cards now where, like, like I said, like, I am not that new to MM. Well, I am still fairly new to him.

I haven't been in MMA that long, you know. Yeah, you know. It's so, like, you know, it's refreshing and it's nice to see you're on posters with guys that you like, you like, you like this style. And like I said, like, yeah, exactly, yeah. And it's a nice thing, you know, so I'm excited for to be on that card. And I think it's going to be a great card. And yeah, he will, he will bring a different, a different audience, you know, like, you know, he's going to bring a lot of, a lot of eyes to it. And that's a great thing.

and I hope they stay on and they watch me, you know. That would be the idea, you know, but yeah, like, I think it's great. Like, it's good for the sport in general. I think he's a big name in UK MMA or European MMA, and I think for Ked Roy's, he's one of their biggest stars, you know, and it's like the return of him, you know, so there's going to be a lot of eyes on that. Yeah, I'm excited.

Final question. This is a pretty, this might be an obvious one to some extent, but it's still something people are very, very concerned about it in Ireland and the lack of numbers of people in the UFC. You've been kind of adopted by the Irish people as an Irish man now because of your relationship with KF. Thomas told me that, you know, he expects you to go to the UFC next year. Is that in line with what you're thinking? Do you think that that's pretty accurate at this stage? Yeah, it's definitely accurate, you know, like that's what we've all been working towards.

That's what these guys have, like, invested in me to help me get towards. You know, it's all about getting to the top promotion, working hard, following your dreams, and getting something, you know. That's the aim for me is to be in the UFC. Like, we were, you know, it'd have been nice to get the winner-night champions, and we was even saying maybe Copenhagen

we could fight, you know. As a European-going. Yeah, it didn't happen, and it, like, it wasn't meant to be, you know, I believe that. Is that what probably made it? even harder don't you're looking ahead

and you're going to go Yeah possibly yeah But like everything happens For a reason you know And the UFC comes to London And March I believe yeah And it's perfect Isn't it you know

It's really Can you imagine that? Yeah Imagine that See like I have a big following Throughout London I have a big following here as well I know guys will come over

Guys come over now to watch You know So I can bring a Bring a crowd Be the Cage Warriors middleweight champion I'll be the I'll be vacating it after you know if I go and sign so

it does make sense you know but again like if it doesn't happen it wouldn't make me feel how I felt back again you know that was that was they were my own reasons that's how I deal with I hate losing

I hate anything to do with not being a winner you know I hate feeling like I'm average I hate feeling like I'm not good enough you know and that fucking hate has spurred me on to win this fight, to finish this fight, and to sign to the UFC. Fingers crossed. James, thanks so much, man.

You're heading back to England tomorrow, so I got you on the last day. Thanks again, and I've probably held up your training sessions. I'm very sorry about that. Thank you very much, man. Thank you. And thank you very much to the wonderful James Webb, who will defend his middleweight title against the Toyas Frederick this Friday night in London, a cage warrior is 111. we'll actually have a look at that card foreseen as we're just coming off the web interview there

I don't know if the order has been confirmed yet but it's a big big card here James Wedd v. Natoyas Frederick for the middleweight title Mads Brunel v. Steve Amiable for the featherweight title Modestis Becalcas be Ricardo Nassalegia for the light heavyweight title also have Alex LaHore versus Lutterback What's his name? Santos Lutterback

Santos, yeah, what's his first name? Jolton Santos who we saw first of all when he fought Cage Sorry, Craig White on his return to Cage Warriors That's a good fight Interestingly, he's taking this fight

And he said that Reese wasn't a big enough name for him I mean Okay, Patty Pimblit and Joe Gianetti also on that main card I think the main card is absolutely fucking brilliant It is.

Very, very strong. mind cards a lot of depth stakes here I mean obviously three titles La Jolte and Jolton Santos like I mean I think La Joree the Reese McKeys the perfect fight The headline

Case where he's returned to Belfast so I have a very keen eye on that one I know Alex didn't really like that fight the last time and of course the return of Paddy Pimlet man and the lightweight stakes are red hot at the moment with everyone talking about Herbert being so close to that UFC contract So really, really, really good card in my opinion.

Yeah, and I think, as you said, there's a lot of dynamics here going into next year as well for what we can see in terms of Irish talent and Northern Irish talent. And you look at obviously Joe McCauldgan, he's going to have a firm eye and Paddy Pilmelton, Joe Gianetti and Eddie, that could set up something possibly for next year if Paddy is to win the fight. And you also mentioned, obviously Alex Lahore and Lutterback, Alex Lohor, Reese McKee, headlining, you know, there for me would make a lot of sense. There's been a lot of online beef between the pair. we know how much Paddy and Joe just sort of dislike each other as well from their tweets I think it sets up perfectly so, you know, we're not obviously

to say this but I think it would be a really, really good thing if both those guys were to come out with win so we could set up some really, really good, strong fights and cards and get eyes on Cage Warriors back in Ireland again here next year. So I'm excited to see this and I hope it plays out that way from a selfish point of view just for the scene here.

Yeah, I just think it's going to be very difficult as Graham told us in Cork. it's very difficult for them to make the fight between Paddy and Joe. You know, both sound to intensity, Grames management. And as well as that, even Paddy being on this card is strange for me because you can sell so many tickets in the Echo with Patty. And obviously that's a huge profit margin probably for Cage Warriors when they do put on them fights. It's interesting to see them here. I mean, if it goes according to the card.

What do you mean? Are you talking in terms of the placing on the card? no in terms of case warriors as a business they get to make way more money if patty fights in liverpool i think goes without saying and they did very well to get joe g and eddie there at the eleventh hour and but that kind of speaks to the value of patty even on an americans record like i mean he's he's a well-known he's an international client to some extent and but uh that's why i think just joe v patty as much as i'd love to see it in belfast i just don't

think it's likely that they put patty outside of the 11th. Liverpool and two fights on the trap. Yeah, we know we spoke about that. I think maybe it depends the way in this fight pans out. You know, even if, even if Patty was to lose this fight, I think it's probably more likely because, you know, it's obviously, it is a business in terms of what intensely want to do. They want to make money.

And obviously the next step is, and a lot of cases, four intensity is for their guys to sign with the UFC. So it's interesting to see what happens. But it's also like, all right, so Patty, Patty, Paddy is bringing more name value to the table than Joe does absolutely no doubt about that. So he's giving up absolutely everything. He's going to give up all this risk with his name, et cetera,

and he's going to go to Joe's backyard to fight him. I think that's hard. I would love it. I would love it. But maybe is that sort of, like, does Paddy needs a big name to beat if he wants to go on that next level? I know he's talked about staying at Cage,

whereas he gets more money than going to the UFC, but ultimately the dream must be. No, no, no. I don't think, like, he stayed, he did stay with KJories. That's what happened. I don't think he's ever ruled out going to the U.S. in the future. Yeah, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying, is in terms of, you know, getting a victory over sort of, you know, a big European name. And is that what sort of maybe been holding Paddy back? Doubt it. No.

I mean, Paddy Pimlet be a tough finalist? Yeah, no, no, I know. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. This was Julian Orozies fought as well before us. Like, for European interests, yeah, we definitely want to see McCoggan. Yeah. There's no doubt about it.

That's a great fight. Joe and him will sell it unbelievably. I really believe that. But it's just like you've got to put yourself in these guys' shoes. And you know what I mean? Like what, Patty might fight Joe, but why wouldn't he be like, yeah, I'll fight Joe in Liverpool. Yeah. No, I understand what you mean.

But I think sometimes it's about getting a big, big name and a big win over to sort of push you on and elevate you on. And he's that's what Joe's looking for, right? Yeah, that's what Joe's looking for. That's my whole point. There we go. You know, Joe's looking for it. Is Patty really looking for it? everything.

Let's see. That's how I feel about it. I'm very confused. All right. James Webb, Mads-Bernel, got to be like, I mean, if they can defend their titles here, they've got to be thinking about UFC in 2020. I'm surprised Mads-Bernel didn't get the call up for that Copenhagen card. I guess his exit from the UFC and his re-entry would have been a lot quicker than, say,

Dalby's who got called back for that card. But interesting to see that back says he was offered something for the COVID- Copenhagen card. Dolly was offered. Obviously, they signed. The Olympian, who am I talking about? He was on the show. Mark Madsen. Thank you very much. Markle Madsen.

Thanks for telling me there, Noel. He was signed. But I think Mads makes perfect. Like, he's looked great. I mean, a win over Dean Truman there in his last fight. He's got to be thinking about it. James' record is quite short compared to some of the other guys we see getting signed over.

He's done a lot in such a short time. in MMA so that's going to be interesting but I think this is Bukakis's first defense against Ricardo and obviously a big striker he's a guy who could make a big statement with the kind of knockouts he brings to the table but I can remember not so long ago when you were not around to do a Eurobatch

we had Chris Fields come on as the co-os that week and he was saying he wouldn't mind that fight a light heavyweight Kha Dwyer's title shot for Chris Fields in Ireland would be very, very profitable for the company, I'd imagine. What do you think? Yeah, I think it is... Yeah, listen, of course, I'd welcome it, but how realistic is it?

Chris hasn't fought in quite some time. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know if that's really on the cards, is it? I don't know. They need to sell a fight in Ireland. I don't know why it wouldn't be. When was the last time Chris was in there, two years ago? In a fight? Yeah.

When was his last fight? I think it was it this year or was the last last year I don't think it was two years ago anyway

and it feels like it was last June yeah last June and he was meant to fight Albrexson in May of this year remember that got pulled at the 11th hour

as well but I mean if you're coming off a knockout loss I think you need to take time off right yeah no well listen

totally agree totally agree um listen I'd watch it I think it'd be a good match of Chris is a big name here in the Irish scene and if you need a fight definitely Chris

I'll step up we know how game he is but it's like they have limited right they have limited amount of things they can kind of do in cage war with cage warriors in terms of main events co-main events outside of Reese really and then of course if they can do

patty and Joe which they already told us that is going to be hard for them to make so I mean I don't think that's a wild suggestion by any stretch of the imagination to be no I don't think it's wild but I think they might look at something else all right be interesting to see on the undercard here

just before we go I'm really interesting to see Corey Tate v. Anton the Pap, Mike Eccandeo against Luca Iovine and Adam Armistinger against Liam Getten's. I think they're all going to be really, really good fights. But we better take a look at Bellator London

now. It's a top heavy card, isn't it Belator London? I think that's fair to say, O'ler. Yeah, I think if you look at, you know, we always end up fucking comparison. As you know, we always talk about this, the feels like there's something on the line at Cage, whereas it doesn't really an awful lot of the fights here.

There doesn't seem to be that sort of extra push. But there is, there is, you know, the top three fights in this card are really, really strong. We've obviously Terry Brazier against Ongbach. Fabian Edwards against Shipman, I think you sort of put that together over the last fucking six months, haven't you? On MVP against Melileo, is that how you say it?

Melillo? Yeah. There we'll leave. And obviously Charlie against Pietro Panini. So, yeah, listen, those four fights, I'm interested. Outside of that, not an awful lot. Robert Whiteford, Sam Cecilia, is pretty decent fight, Charlie Leary, Tim Wilde. But, yeah.

Let's slowly break it down here, okay? Just fucking marching through the whole thing. Page, he's got Gianni Melillo. Oh, he wasn't really that pushed on Derek Anderson anyway. I thought it was all just about Page fighting in London. I think it pretty much stays the same, right? Yeah, it does. I don't think there's an awful lot he gains here from a win over either.

so, you know, he's aiming to get back up towards that world title and get a shot at that world title. And I think he's aiming at Lima. He's obviously the champ. And, you know, it's just a fight for me, really. I think it's just about staying active for him. But yeah, it doesn't really excite me, to be honest. I'm not going to lie, Pete's. I think Edwards and Shipman, I think Bellator shit the bet on this big time.

You know, this fight was meant to be made a long time ago. Yeah. You know, I don't know how you put Shipman. in against Van Steen is based on what he's been doing in Bellator and he comes out gets stopped in the second round and now we're meant to be as excited as we would have been about Edwards

v Shipman that's not how fight game works man you gotta keep the guys winning and this is by all means for the best middleweight in Bellator without a doubt from the UK you know it's it's yeah but it it would have been so much more exciting

as you said if they you know if he was coming in and not off that loss. They did shit the bad, but it, you know. That's not shipment's fault or Fabian's fault. It's Bellator's fault, yeah. And I feel like... You call this for this fight for... Probably a year, have you?

Yeah, oh, longer than that. I feel like Edwards risking everything now, by the kind of the scope on this now. His 8 and O record, shipment just coming off a loss. Both Edwards and Shipman have told me they don't see it that way, but I'm afraid that's how the public perception is, to be honest. Like, I mean... I agree.

But, I mean, it should have happened before that, like, This is the fight. This is the problem now. Van Stenis has gone and lost in the US now as well. So Fabian wants to fight Van Stina's next. He's coming off a loss. That triangle,

they've managed that very poorly. It slows momentum for all them effectively. You know, and he sort of... It's big, like, you know, it's just... Yeah, but it definitely slows them down in terms of, you know,

sort of maybe how the public perceived them as this, you know, sort of kill a machine. They could have played a lot more sensible. Three guys there that you can potentially, you know, be the future of the division and yeah they've really sort of put shit in the bed and

but I think in terms of Fabian here Fabian gets a good good win this you know this puts him up to that next level now and I think we're going to see a big big push from Fabian in 2020 if he wins this. Yeah oh yeah 100% um oh yeah it's something I forgot

oh sorry yeah Van Steeners and Schipman wasn't even available to watch in Europe yeah well there you go do you know what I mean like you know I'm not going to go on a bit if we're going to make a fight like that you should be telling everybody, the winner of this fight's going to fight Fabian Edwards. And then Fabian's fight next against

Jonathan, I forget his name. You know, this is the whole problem, even to the media. I just like this point. Yeah, sorry. Mike Shipman and Van Steenna's fight, there's not a word about it. They haven't even advertised it as a big European middleweight title fight. It's not a title fight, but fight really.

They should have been talking about Fabian all the way through that fight. Fabian comes out next. That's not on TV either. I mean, crazy. I don't know how. they messed that up so bad. They're fucking up the narratives around as you said they're forgetting to build them. Exactly. 100%. It's the most crucial thing and that's where

I think the major difference between a lot of these promotions are, you know, the really ones who really want to put an imprint and dense on the landscape and the mark, you know, we see the UFC played out the whole time. It's not that hard really to do it. Just get the right people in to make this happen and another thing, you talked about, you know,

exposure, things like that. This fucking Tel Aviv card was on it, but only Thursday. what you were saying there was just about to say Braiser v. Sarumback, a double champ from Bama versus a double champ from Cage Warriors. Since that fight has been announced in Dublin, I haven't heard much about that. No. That's a big fight.

That's a huge fight. It is. It's an excellent fight. But, you know, at the end of the day. I'd go as far as saying, I'd go as far as saying it's the least hype back fight we've seen since he's emerged. Yeah. And it's probably the biggest, it's one of the biggest along with the Patty Pimble. fight, I'd say that he's done. And it shouldn't be the case.

I don't know. They just haven't got that promotional arm working. They've never had it working, mate. It's, it's been very, very... I mean, you can't say that when they sell out shows in Dublin, you know, when they make James a big commodity and they make all these other guys. Listen, let's be honest, Pici. What's selling out a lot of the shows in Dublin is the affiliations with the gyms. It's not what the eyes they're putting on TV and their marketing campaign. That's just, that's just wide of the mark. That's definitely wide of the mark. so, you know, their promotion's been

very poor, very poor. Like, even, as I said, I'll go back to Thursday again, you know, it was on Thursday, then, you know, televised it on the Friday. Like, did they really think in this day and age people don't look at the fucking internet? Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on.

Oh, it's over the place again in terms of you on? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was, you know, you go into feck and Instagram and you see, oh, there's the bloody knockout. You know, you're just going, oh, come on, let's, just get it right. You know, the narratives aren't being sold properly. there's wavering interest

I think it's the local community that as it's just said there that are selling out these events it's gone poorly I think these guys are getting paid well I'm over the moon about that but these guys could be getting more money if they did it right

do you know what no one's standing outside ticket master going oh I can't wait to get these tickets because the lads are going to make a good amount of money yeah nobody says that I know but my point is here you know I know I'm agreeing with you If they sold and marketed these guys more,

these guys could get more sponsorships, you know, there could be more money for these guys. The whole game plan and strategy has been wrong in Europe since the get-go, and it's not getting any better. A few good fights on this on their card as well. You mentioned Charlie War v. Pietro Panini, Alfie Davis v. Alessandro Boddy, who's coming in on short notice.

Rob Weyford v. Sam Cecilia. It's a cracker. It was meant to speak to Rob Weiford a couple of weeks ago, but he just didn't answer the phone. Fair play to him. Standard. standard. Acon Wanless v. Tim Barnett is a great fight.

And of course, Chris Bungard, who was meant to fight, Mario Soide, was really looking forward to that fight in fairness. Now faces Benjamin Brander. Yeah, I think that's the one to watch, though, the Cecilia fight there against Rob Weifer. That's a whole-level fight. That's for it's written all over. You know, Sam goes out and loves to bang.

And that should be a fun month to watch. Looking forward to that. Yeah, I think this might be Sam's first fight since the Pedro Carvalio for you, isn't? Yeah, since the loss, yeah. Yeah. interesting there to see Tim Barnet as well as far as I know that's only a one fight daily sign with Bellator and so interesting to see how that develops. Clever boy. Yeah, absolutely.

I think that's pretty much all we're going to have to forecast for the week. So big match tonight, but a ton of people are listening to this podcast. It will have already happened. I personally am going down to the pub for three points of Guinness and then going home. Sad, I imagine. I expect us to get whooped. How do you imagine Ireland fair against Denmark tonight?

Noel and remember when people are listening to this prediction it will have already happened. I will, you know, listen, four draws against them since I was at that 5-1 game when we lost the World Cup playoff

here in Dublin and it was the first time I think I've ever left the game earlier I left with a half an hour to go, Pizzi, because it was 5-1 with a half an hour to go and, you know, very upsetting. Yeah, listen,

we can pull off something I think the best we can pull off as a draw going to the playoffs but i don't know listen i'm i'm hopeful it'd be great but um i think we'll probably shit the bed yeah do you have a prediction okay i'll go two i'll go two two one irland Shane duff Shane duffie had her in the 90th minute i'll say four nil that mark and that's optimistic as far as on something's right so i mean put a bet on after the crack that's the kind of thing you put a bet on you don't think about it now put a bed on that now

for later on. You get good odds. I will. Fiverr. You should probably get less than your money back probably. But do you think your terrible affliction of a head cold will be gone by next week? I mean... It's not a heck. It's been ever than

head cold, chest. The shits. I mean, it feels like you're just you're listing random sicknesses you can have now. No, I'm not at all. I've also developed a bit of a rash on my leg. Shut up. You're such fucking easy. Hopefully, I'll hopefully be feel better.

actually, I feel better now actually talking to you for some reason. That's normally not the case, but I felt like shit this morning when I woke up at 9 o'clock really bad. But I feel, that's because you usually, I feel better now. I had a lot, I did eat, or not eat, drank a liter of juice there. So probably the vitamin C is always a good thing to get into you. Show what I mean? Well, I just think like you're probably not used to waking up at 9 a.m. ever, you know what I mean? Shut at the fuck. Are you actually on acid? Like, I'm always up. Like, I don't sleep, dude. You know me. So why you come up with this fabrication? Up till 4 a.m.

I'll tell you. Is there a man that loves to poke the bear more than Psy Carol? No. You're the greatest fucking little prick ever. You're like that just annoying kid. You know what you're like that little, that really annoying. Are you drunk again?

12 year old. See, he's down again. He's like that annoying 12 year old. He's like, you're like a flying shit is really what you're. I would have hoped that you'd stop drinking if you're this sick. You know what I mean? You're not helping yourself. What was it drinking?

What are you on about? Look, you're obviously very angry because you're in a drunk. drunken stupor again and look i hope i hope you get well i hope that you know someone helps you with your sicknesses and i hope someone helps you with your addictions and jesus christ this is fucking this is terrible this is an intervention though fucking hell holy mother i god what's your plan for the weekend weddings you more weddings no i've no weddings i've got to go and work in london for five days straight oh yeah sorry you're When are you off? Wednesday. So no days off again this week for Peter Carroll. But you won't see me getting sick. No, I'll tell you that much.

I hope you get down with the food poison or something. I hope you've a lovely burger. I hope you've a lovely burger. I hope you've a lovely burger. And then you just, I hope it's really nice at the time. The burger you eat. And then I help you just have violent food poison for three days. It's actually happened to me while I've been away before. It's actually happened twice when I've been away. But do you know why nobody knew about it? because you saw you're a soldier Peter because I didn't post about it 1700 times on the internet in the space of a week so uh continue to send your thoughts and prayers to Noel for his head cold

and you know there's only so much clean all right listen who listen I have the mixing desk here mate I can mute you very easily and we used to do it a lot in the but I'll just mute them now for for one second just to show that I've Peter how are you yeah you can't talk because yeah I I have the controls here buddy quiet finish show

He's back now. Like, he always pretend he's all hurt and upset and, oh, poor Pizzi. Oh. Are you really saying I'm looking for sympathy after your post this week? I literally had to text you and say, listen, mate, we know you have a fucking cold. It's going on five posts a day. Okay. Why are you still going on about it?

Jesus Christ. Just picture me strepsels. He's still working. Okay. Just so fucking hard I am, last. Mute time. Mute time. He's muted again.

Stop fucking giving out to me. You're going to have to do that. I'll have to fire you all. you don't have to stop you fire me, get fucked right, well we'll leave you to you hopefully Noel

will be better for him next week because he will be making the trek all the way to the Northland I will in my hope you will I'm afraid you know you have to start making some more sacrifices sacrifices I make

for this podcast every week are unbelievable I don't know on my gear rod well you know excuses excuses excuses Noel excuses McGrath that's what we'll call him

but thank you very much everyone to listen again. It's been great fun. It's been great fun to just get my name bashed on the show this week. The Nile bashing show. Somehow, with God's will,

Nile bash. Always stops running. Nile bash. Be able to leave his house again. It would be absolutely amazing. We need to start something of a troker box for you every time you get a cold.

You're such a dick. All right. Just wrap up the fucking show and get angry there. Love his loads. Please continue to send your work. words of love and support to know what? Shut up. Thank you very much. Love you. See you next week.