MMA Fighting - Fighter vs. Writer: Matt Brown Reacts to Holloway’s Win, Namajunas Debuting at 125, Paul vs. Danis and More

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

The Fighter vs. The Writer returns with UFC legend Matt Brown and MMA Fighting senior reporter Damon Martin reacting to the latest news in MMA including Max Holloway’s win over ‘The Korean Zombie��� Chan Sung Jung. With his victory at UFC Singapore, Holloway has eliminated yet another top featherweight contender but what will it take for him to get back to a fourth fight against Alexander Volkanovski? Is there anything that Holloway can do to put him over the top for that title shot? We’ll also discuss Rose Namajunas making her debut at flyweight at UFC Paris and what kind of chance she has to become a disruptive force in that division where past strawweights have found mixed success. Brown addresses the recent win from Oleksandr Usyk and the disappointment that he ended up facing Daniel Dubois instead of a showdown with heavyweight king Tyson Fury. Plus we talk about the upcoming boxing match between Logan Paul and Dillon Danis and the chances that Mike Perry ends up taking that fight in October. All this and more on the latest episode of The Fighter vs. The Writer  Subscribe: Apple Podcasts Subscribe: Spotify Read More: MMA Fighting Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Man, it's all going on. The podcast is going on now. Let's get it. Absolutely. It's the end August are the kids back in school now I always lose track I know we talked about this last week like when the kids so the kids are back in school now right they are they're back in school they went back August 17 so a little bit earlier than we used to go back to school but yeah they're back so my schedule they need I'm been saying this forever like when are we going to re-institute fucking year-round school keep these motherfuckers learning and gives the parents a goddamn

break every every 17 and under person listen to this podcast just tuned out and said, screw you guys. Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, but then with, and then every parent out there who was like, fuck yeah, root me on. Yeah, it's weird, like I said, it's so

when you don't have kids and you're out of school, you lose track of it, like me personally. I notice when I'm driving around and I get stuck behind buses. That's how I know when kids are back in school, because I'm like, God, school buses. They always have, they're always driving slow and they had to put the stops on.

like every three feet and I'm like yep school's back in session. Yeah, no shit right? Yeah. Or the kids walking all over the place and you got to fucking wait for them. No respect at all for drivers. No, none whatsoever. You know, it's funny. And you probably do this as well.

When I'm driving like, let's just say I'm driving in downtown. I'm driving in downtown, people will cut across to cross the street. and I'm always like, man, you're so lucky. I don't just hit my gas and just run you over. You run out in front of my car. But then when you're the pedestrian, you're the guy doing. I've done the same thing. I walk around in front of traffic.

You're going to wait for me. I'm walking. That's always my attitude. I'm always like, God, I can't believe you would walk in front of my car. It's not even a crosswalk, you asshole. And then I'm the guy doing the exact same thing when I'm the pedestrian. I never took you as a type to trust people to stop for you. But you do, huh?

Oh yeah, I do I absolutely die My thought is like dude If I walk out there And it's I mean I'm not I don't walk into traffic I'm not a moron But like you know If I'm in like a downtown street

That's slow moving traffic I walk across the street Like you'll wait you'll wait a second I don't I don't make people like slam on their brakes I'm not that like cruel but yeah But I'm definitely the guy who's like Bitching when you're the one cross the street And then I'm going to be like

Hey hey I'm walking here No I'm a member that I'm gonna fucking hit you next time I was going to say, dude, I'm going to get plowed over by everybody when you're driving downtown. Like, oh, there he is. Put a fucking target on my back. So, uh, always. Yeah, always, I was going to say, always, always putting a target on my back like that. Yeah, well, I like to do it on my motorcycle.

I drive by him and like, slap him. Dude, it's so funny. We were talking. I was talking to our day about I still have a dream of owner of Harley. Like, we've had this conversation before. But we've also talked about like, it's Ohio. It's the end of August and it's like really good weather right now. We have like four months of this weather.

I just can't justify buying a Harley knowing that I'll get to ride in for like four months or maybe like three months of the year here. I need to. Realistically, it's actually closer to like two months. I mean, some people, like I've sucked it up many times, but, you know, realistically, most of the time in the summer it's too hot. Right. And then around this time is actually when it's really nice. you know but I prefer to be about 60 to 65 when I'm writing where I got to wear a leather but you know it's a little bit chilly right when it's hot out there bro it

fucking sucks I don't know I don't even know how people do it man I'd rather ride in the cold than in the heat like I don't know how these fucking guys do it man they go out riding when it's 90 95 degrees and dude your ass is sweating like the the hot air is hitting you more like this bro you wait every single time you stop it and you're just fucking baking in the sun it's like dude you got like i'll just get in my air-conditioning car like fuck this you know yeah right around this time of the year it's about the only time when it's really solid like i think it's probably 66 65 degrees out right now fucking beautiful night for writing but most of the day it was scorching hot that wouldn't even be fun yeah it's so funny dude yeah it's no it's right it's

funny there's always the uh the psychos dude a long-and-com psychos like the super committed dudes like I'll stop at a gas station in like the middle of December early January they pull up in their Harley and I'm just like now that's commitment to writing right there yeah I've been that guy before too I used to have heated gloves heated boots

you know heated jacket and I was like dude it takes me like 20 minutes to fucking get ready you know so I and it's like so I don't I also don't get into the whole Harley culture where guys are riding together. Like I don't want to ride with anyone else.

You know, like these guys, they go for rides, like just to go for rides. I'm like, where are you going? I'm like, oh,

we want to get some drinks. I'm not going to drink while I'm on my bike either. Fucking idiot. So the whole thing, yeah. You know, so most of the time it's like, well,

do I ride to the gym on my bike or do I take my, you know, be scorching hot or take 20 minutes to get dressed? Or do I just, up in my car and be done with it. So you won't be joining the Sons of Anarchy

anytime soon as what you're telling me. I mean, if I can make some drug money, maybe. But like most of those, I've hung out with a lot of Harley clubs. I've never been a part of one, but I've hung out with a lot of them. And they're just fucking like LARPers most of the time. You know, like they walk in and everybody's like, oh, there's the fucking hard-ass Harley guys.

And it's like, these guys are fucking like doctors and law. yours are just playing dress up for the weekend bro yeah like you're not like I had a my my my old stepfather when I was a kid he was like in like a legit like emcy like legit outlaw emce like the one percenters they were real dudes like they were real dudes like they were absolutely real dudes but you're absolutely right the vast majority ever walk around like to put on their leather coat and they got their chaps and everything and they're like so what do you do oh you know I'm a you know on the weekend I'm an accountant oh okay cool yeah yeah so I don't you know if those real motorcycle clubs exist in America anymore.

Like, I think they do out west a little bit, like, maybe. But it's like, what are you doing? Like, you're going to traffic drugs, like, on your bike and just be the most obvious fucking thing ever. You know what I mean? Or are you going to go get like a Honda Accord and a little bit more inconspicuous? It's so, because, like, the reality is, like, there are, like, I know there. I mean, I've read stories, like, the real, like, the Hells Angels, the Mong girls,

like the real like motorcycle clubs out there. But it's like when you watch the Sopranos, which is like one of the greatest TV shows of all time. And like I've always heard like people who are in the mafia say that like the portrayal of it is pretty accurate. But how brazen they are and how out in the open they are is like the is not like you, when you go, because you go to New York or certain cities where there's absolutely real life mob. Like they really like the Italian mob are there. You don't know it.

Like they're not like out in the open like, hey, by the way, like I'm in the mob. Like you would never know it. Like they're not advertising it. Like they're trying to stay under the radar because like law enforcement's out for them. So like you're not going to do anything to put yourself out there like raise a flag like, hey, come arrest me. So yeah, like the reality what you see on TV is not what it's actually like in real life. Yeah. Well, most of these motorcycle clubs these days are like our charities.

Like they're doing good things. And I've done some of those rides like for charity and stuff. And that's cool. you know, because you're doing it for a charity. It's not cool that you're, you know, riding with 50 other people and you have to keep their pace and watch out around you. And, you know, you're making a shit ton of noise

driving down the road and, you know, annoying every fucking neighbor and every person driving their car and stuff. But the charity's cool. But I'm like, what are these guys, like Mongols and Hells Angels? Like, what are they even doing these days? I mean, like, seriously, like, are they the ones?

trafficking the drugs. I don't know. I mean, I know they used to, but like, I don't think they're doing that these days. They're out killing people. And, you know, I think that shit's all fucking old school now. It'd be, they'd be the stupidest thing ever. And I think they're just a bunch of alcoholic fucking Larpers nowadays. Dude, if Hell's Angels comes knocking on your door to have a conversation with you,

I didn't just tell you, I didn't worry you. I'm just saying, I ain't saying nothing else about the Hells Angel. I'm just saying. You think I'm afraid of these fucking fat, fat, to shape fucking dorks. Fuck out of here. Oh my God. Oh, my God.

We're going to hear a story like, Hell's Angels, Road to Ohio. Matt, Matt, they're coming from Matt Brown. Yeah, which is cool. That's what I,

I hang out with these people. I shoot guns all the time. These people, every now that I meet this guy, and they'd be like, oh, I wouldn't fight you, but I'd shoot you. I'm my bitch,

I'll shoot your ass, too. Like, don't, What do you think? You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a very avid gun guy. You know what I mean? I go all the time. I practice.

I actually train shooting. You know what I mean? Like, I actually practice it. So most of these guys saying that, like, they own a gun. They're not practicing with their gun.

They own a gun. And I'm like, we can go to that route too, buddy. You know what I'm like, I'll fuck you up without a gun or I'll fucking kill you with one. Like,

what do you want to do? Why don't you have seen your nickname to Rambo right now? It's like Matt Rambo Brown. because you know it all. Hand-to-hand combat, knives, guns, you know at all. Did Rambo know hand-to-hand combat? Yeah, he was, I mean, he was still a badass.

Like, he was still like, you know, or, I don't know. I haven't seen this. I watched that when I was like five. I don't know. I don't know. No, you know what my favorite one was? It was better. You know it was better than Rambo.

And you probably haven't seen this movie because you don't really watch movies. Commando. Do you remember Commando? Remember Commando? You remember that movie? That was like, he was like the ultimate. He was the ultimate badass. Like he was hand-to-hand combat.

He could throw, like, he had bazookas, machine guns, knives. Like, he was just like, he was more badass than Rambo. I'd say commandos better than that. Like Arnold Schwarzenegger, dude, give me that one. I mean, realistically, when you talk about the movies, one of the most badass ones was fucking Steven Seagal. You know what I'm saying? Sincet Seagall?

Yeah, I mean, he was just a silly, like, fucking, you know, dork. But, dude, his movies, like, the way he fucked people up. was pretty badass. Have you ever met him at UFC event? Have you met Segal? I have not. I don't have interest in it. Yeah, it's so weird, dude.

Like, it's like the weird, like, I saw him a couple of times, like, Anderson Silva fights and he was just, like, in the distance. And I'm like, is that Stephen Seagall? Like, that is that. I've seen a bit, I seen a clip of him there day, like, trying to teach Daniel Cormier some hand-to-hand stuff. He was like, just don't tell anybody about this. I'm like, I'm like,

this fucking Dana-Cormay, you dummy. Get out of here. It always reminds me the story. I'll never forget. I was at a UFC event in New York years ago. And we were all going out. Actually, I think the UFC was in Jersey is where New York was open. But we all went into New York to, like, hang out and, like, get dinner and stuff.

Because it's right there. And I can't remember who I was with, but they knew Chuck Zito. And Chuck Zito was like, I'm going to take you guys out to, like, this bar. And we're going to have some drinks and blah, blah, blah. and I was like, I was just along for the ride. Never met the guy, didn't know the guy. But I was like, sure, Chuck Zito, I know who that guy is. And so, like, we went along and that,

he told the story about the night he kicked the shit out of Jean-Claude Van Dam in a bar fight. And, like, it always reminds me of that. Like, I'm not saying Chuck Zito is, like, the epitome of badass. Like, it's not like he's a trained fighter, but, like, that's the difference between, like, an actual dude who fights and the dude who fights the movie. Like, I'm not saying Jean-Claude Van Damme doesn't know martial arts.

I'm sure he does. but like yeah there's a difference between like i can do this on screen and i could do this in a bar when i'm challenging a fight and chug zito knocked him out now i don't even know chug zito is but i've heard the name now wasn't he a legit fucking street guy whatever he was a hell's angels he was a hells angels he was a hells angeles guy back in the day yeah like he's gonna be the one knocking on my door yeah he got out he got out and he became an actor he was actually in sons of anarchy for like a season or something but yeah no he was he was around he was an actual hell's angel at one point i think he was like the head of the

i want to say the new york chapter maybe is that how he got but he was out of it like he's been out of it for years but like yeah wasn't jason stadum kind of a badass too i don't know he's another one where i'm like i'm not really sure if he's like a legit badass or just like a tv badass i'm not sure or is that ben diesel i'm thinking of i don't know they're all just fake i don't know i don't know i watch the little tv i have no fucking clue. I just like, dude, I just like, when I see like Randy Coutour in a movie, I'm like, that guy could kick your asses. Like, that guy's going to whip your ass. He's like 60 years old. He'll still whip your asses. Like, I don't care what martial art you think you know.

Like, that's like Steven Segal teaching Daniel Cormier something is absolutely hilarious to me. Like that is the epitome of comedy to me. Like, could you imagine be like, let me show you a thing or two? Like, really, this guy, the two-time, you know, two-division UFC champion or show him a thing or two? yeah so to me it's just so disrespectful man it's like you know he should be asking cornea questions right like cornea would fuck him up so bad

so yeah those are those are my favorite I used to watch them all the time years ago when they put up the videos online of like the um uh like the martial arts experts teach you like the one finger punch and all those like weird techniques and then they never like Yeah, they inevitably run into somebody who's an actual fighter, and it's hilariously, like, just hilariously bad out,

like they get their ass kicked or they just, like, get kicked one time and they fall over. Like, I used to watch those videos and crack up because it was always the funniest, like, I know the one finger death punch or whatever they would do. Like, you know, you don't want to get too close. I have, like, the three-inch death punch. And then they would like, all right, let's do something. And they get kicked or punched one time. They fall over crying.

It was always hilarious to me. Yeah, that Instagram. profile McDojo life is the best ever bro he shows that shit all day long I don't know how he finds it I've met the guy that runs it I don't know how he finds these fucking videos of these

stooges just making shit up you know like not touching people and then falling over and shit it's fucking amazing MMA has ruined like fake martial arts you know what I mean and I say that as a compliment like I'm not

saying they aren't still out there like people don't still paid these people, but I think MMA has dispelled a lot of the, like, bullshit martial arts people out there trying to take advantage of people for their money and just like, oh, I know the secret, you know, Japanese art of, you know, arrow fighting or so I don't making this up. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like Eminently, because everyone knows MMA now.

Like, even if you don't know MMMA, you know what MMA is, right? And, like, you see it. Like, you know, we're so far past like, you know, the one discipline guy, I guess another disciplined guy like the early days of the UFC. It's so been, it's been so dispelled that like now, like, you're like, oh, I got the one finger death punch. Great. Try that against John Jones. See how that works out for you.

Yeah, try that against, try that against, try that against Yuri Perhoshka. See how well that works out for you, buddy. Have fun. Yeah, try against the latest Dana White Contender Series loser. You're going to get the same result. But that's what fascinates me about

his website. I asked, or is Instagram. I asked the guy and said, bro, like, how do you find these videos? Like, how is it? As there still so much of this out there? Like, these guys know the M.A. exists, right? So bad. But he said

he has no problem. He's like, it's easy to find, bro. He's like, I just creeped the internet, bam, bam, bam, one after the other. Like, I even knew it. Like, I watched like Bloodsport as a kid, even I knew it was fake. Like, there's no, there's no punch where you're, like, the stuff they do in movies, it's a movie. I know

it's a movie. Like, I'm not, I'm not moronic. Like, but there's still Huxters out there. When you were growing up, then, when you were growing up, did you think WWE was real? I did until I was like nine years old. And then I figured out it was fake. Like, nine or ten years old, I figured out it was fake. But I still enjoyed it. Like, I still enjoy, like, I don't have, you know, like, I love horror movies. I love, obviously, what's behind me. Like, but I know, like, I know it's not real. Like, I can enjoy it and know it's not real. Um, like, I, I got into it watching the karate kid.

Like that was my entry into martial arts. I loved the karate kid when I was a kid. And I took karate classes. And it was fun. You know what I mean? It was fun. But like it wasn't like a, you know, it wasn't like the fake. Like, you know, they weren't telling you you're going to do like the three-inch

death punch or anything like that. Like it was real karate. But yeah, like that's, that was my entry point. But yeah. But listen, there's still people out there. I wanted to pretend there aren't like the con artists out there trying to teach you these, these maneuvers or whatever. But I do believe

MMA has changed it a lot to where like people know I just watched Max Holloway knock out the Korean zombie. I know that's not what you're doing with your three inch death punch is not what that dude's doing.

And I guarantee you Max Holloway would fuck you up. And that was I don't know why you felt but that was pretty amazing to me. I knew going into that five minutes, you know, Korean zombies kind of tailor made

for a Max Holloway type of fighter, right? Like, that's, you know, his style with being a little bit wilder and he's going to come forward no matter what. It's like, like, dude, that's perfect for Max Holloway. I think we talked about him on here. And I was like, you know, but in three rounds and, you know, he pieced him the fuck up and landed that perfect shot in the third round.

And, you know, that I didn't expect. Like, Max still has it, right? He still got that power. I thought zombie would last five. and, you know, at least more than three. You know what I loved about that, though? And it was the zombies last fight. He retired afterwards, and he's a legend.

What I loved about it, I know it sounds weird saying this, because, you know, we all, we've talked about this, Matt, like how many, we can count on one hand the amount of guys who've gone out on a win. Like, when you had that moment with Robbie Lawler, when he knocks out Nico Price and he just, that's the end of his career. Like, there's so few of those moments where a legend gets to win a big one and walkway. It's usually the other way around. But the one thing I will say I liked about the way the zombie was.

went out is the zombie went out the way he came in. He went out there in that third round and just threw caution to the win and just like, let's go. And they threw down and he threw down and Max landed the shot and put him out and it was over in a weird way. Like, I was just like that was the epitome of who the Korean zombie was. Like he went in and he went out like he came in.

And I thought that was cool. Again, I don't root for him to get knocked out, of course. But that's what I'm saying. Like he just, at third round, he's just like, fuck it. Like I'm down two rounds.

Let's just try it. And he went swinging. Like he went swinging for. the fences. Obviously, Max caught and put him down. But in a weird way, I was kind of like, okay, that's kind of like, I'm not, like, I don't want him to, he lost to, in my opinion, the second best featherweight in the sport. Like, Alexander Volcan obviously is clear in a way the number one guy. Max Holloway's number two. There's no shame in your final fight going out against the number two best featherweight in the sport, maybe one of the top

three or four feather weights ever. There's no shame in that. And like that to me, I'm okay with that. If the zombie walks away on that, like I hope he does, like unfortunately, we all know the story of like guys actually retiring and staying retired. But in a weird way, I was like, okay, this is kind of like a fitting ending, even though, again, I don't root for him to get knocked out. But going out that way against Max Hollow, I was like, it's kind of perfect for that dude. Were you surprised that he retired? No. You know, I know he's done with a lot of injuries and he has taken a lot of damage over the years.

You know, he didn't get that nickname the Korean zombie by accident. You know what I mean? Like, he went out there. And so I think it's, you know, and I, I appreciate that he had the perspective of it to know, like, he wanted to go out on top. He wanted to fight Max Holloway. He wanted that card in Singapore. He got it. He did it.

He took a shot. He missed. He didn't win. And he walked away. So, no, because I don't, I don't picture the Korean zombie being the guy, like, give me the contender series guy. Give me the guy off the ultimate fighter. Like, I just, I don't, you know, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a marketable star like guy. And he's always been a top 15 guy.

I just can't see him being like, let me start at the bottom and work my way up again just to fight. You know what I mean? Like I just, I feel like he knew his time. And also, you know, he took a lot of damage. You know, he took a lot of damage in this career. Like, you know, walk away while you can. Like, as we, I know, I know, we say it all the time, Matt, you know, retire from the sport. Don't let the sport retire you.

That's it. Yeah. Have you ever interviewed zombie? Once or twice. Obviously, it's tough, you know, the translator and everything. But he's a nice guy. I've interviewed him in a couple of events. I was at his fight.

in W, was it WC or UFC when he fought, I think it was UFC, when he fought Dustin Porreier in a main event, I was at that one in Virginia. I've been in a couple of his cards, so I've interviewed him a few times. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I was just, I don't know, how old is he? I, like, I did not expect him to retire.

It actually took me, surprised me a little bit, just, you know, I mean, I don't follow him that closely, but I just didn't think that he was old enough to be retiring. And like you said, he lost to the number two guy, you know, who, you know, has an argument for, you know, one of the top two or three best ever in the weight class. He is, he's 36. Yeah, see, that seems a little young for me to me for him. I mean, you know, he still goes out and beats, you know, if he gets the right matchups, you know, he goes on a good winning streak, I think, you know.

So, you know, I don't know, it just surprised me a little bit. Yeah, let's not forget. His last two losses came against Alexander Volcanowski in a title fight in Max Hollis. Holloway. Talking about going out on top. Good Lord. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why it did surprise me a little bit.

Yeah. I just thought he had a lot more juice in the tank, you know? Yeah. Speaking of juice in the tank, man, is Max Holloway, man. It's so crazy. Like, and listen, we're all, we all, we all can be prisoners at the moment, right? Like, we can all be prisoners of the moment when something happens. When he got that third fight with Volcanozky and Volcanowski just put it on him.

I did not see that coming. Like, not at all. I 100% did not see that coming. I thought Max Holloway won their second fight. He lost the first, no doubt about it. I thought Max won the rematch. And then obviously the third one, I was like Max is going to win. Like Max just looks so good.

I think he's going to turn up the Jets and do it. And then Volcanowski, my God, he just went out there and put it on him for five rounds. One side of fight. Really kind of concluded and kind of like, you know, told us who the number one guy is. Then coming back from that, you're kind of like, well, maybe Max has like lost this step. Maybe he's on that decline now. Like maybe that was the, that was the, you know, you know as well as I do, Matt. Like, sometimes it's one fight.

Like just one fight and some guys are never the same again. And we are like, well, maybe, maybe that was, maybe that was the one. And he comes out and beats him dominantly. And then goes out and does it, he does the Korean zombie. There is no doubt in my mind. Max Holloway is still the number two featherweight in the world. The downside for him is Alexander Volcanowski still exists. Yep, yep.

I couldn't agree more. One thing about Max that I love about Washington fighters, he's so consistent, it seems like, right? Like every fight, you're going to get a very good max, and he's going to have great boxing. You know, he's going to fight his style, and he's going to do it very, very consistently and do it very, very well every time. You know, he's like the ACDC, right, of fighting, right? Like, you know what you're getting every time. And, like, you better be good enough to beat it. Right now, the only guy good enough to beat it is fucking Alexander Volcanowski.

But the most guys, you know, he's going to be able to do exactly what he does to him. And he does it to fucking everybody. Is there a world where Max Holloway could get a fourth fight with Alexander Volcanowski? Is there any universe where that could happen? Yeah, that's a good question. I could see it in the sense of it being a, you know, a competitive fight and a winner. fight for Max. But I don't know.

You probably know better than me. You know the division better. Like who all is in that division? You know, what's the ups and downs there? You know, I mean, the big problem there is like, if you got to get through Max to get to Alex, who's going to get through Max to get to Alex? Yeah. I mean, I'll get to Piottoeury is going to be the next guy for the title shot, and I think

he deserves it. I will say, and I think. I think I think I'm really good. And I think he's, you know, as good as we've seen a contender coming up to the ranks. He beat Josh Emmett, which is a good win. But he hasn't gone through. He hasn't fought Brian Ortega. He hasn't fought Max Holloway.

He hasn't fought, you know, those top two or three guys in front of him. But again, he's earned it. I have zero problem with him getting the title shot. And he should get it because, you know, Alex has already beaten pretty much everybody else. So that's an interesting one. I think that's going to be next for Volcanowski. But yeah, I don't know. Like, because Max is like.

the division, do you got the division pulled up there? We pull it up real quick. We'll pull it up and look at the range. Yeah, tell me, talk about the top five, 10 guys there. Top five, top five, top ten guys at Fedo. And this is where it gets interesting. And you'll see what I'm talking about here. Okay, so Alex is number one.

Max Hollow, Alex is champion, of course. Max is number one. Yaya Rodriguez, who Alex just fought and beat and Max is already beaten. Brian Ortega, who Volcanovsky beat, and Max is already beaten. Arnold Allen, who Max just beat, Ilya, who's kind of like the one kind of guy, you know, that's aside from everybody else.

You got Josh Emmett, who just lost Ilya to Poria and also lost to Iyer Rodriguez. You got Calvin Cater, who's coming back from the injury. He lost to Max Holloway, so like he's out there. But again, he's already had that fight. You got the Korean zombie, who is now retired. He got Chikaze, who had a great fight on Saturday, but he was gone for 18 months, and he did have a pretty lopsided loss to Calvin cater and then the dark

horse the guy that I think could be like the next contender who's going to be interesting unfortunately he just can't stay healthy enough to fight is Mosaar Evloev the wrestler that dude's a monster the problem is he can't stay healthy to save his life like every time he has a big fight booked he gets injured

and he's going to that like that Khabib Kane thing we're like remember early in Kib's career where he kept getting injured all the time and obviously eventually got past it but I feel like that's where we're at Mosear like Mosear Like, Mosa seems to be like he's like the guy who could be the next guy in line, but he just can't stay healthy enough to get those fights.

Yeah, and he's the wrestler of the group, right? Yeah. But, yeah, I think when you're, when you go down that list there, it's exactly what I'm talking about, right? Like, if you got to get through Max, well, Max has already beat 90% of those guys. So it makes it, yeah, like you said, Ilya is going to be next, but it makes it really, really complex now. You know what I want to see?

You don't want to throw out an idea at your mat? Like, listen, I would have zero problem if they said Moussar versus Max Holloway. But again, that's a pretty dramatic step down from number one to fight number 10. You know what I think would be fun? I'm going to throw this out as an idea for early next year. Max Holloway versus Al Jermaine Sterling. Al Jus talked about coming up to 145. I think we all kind of agree is not going to get the automatic rematch with Sean O'Malley as much as he wants it.

And, you know, I honestly, I would have no problem if the UFC gave Al Jermaine a rematch. He was the longest defending champion. But let's be honest, Aljo has not gotten a lot of consideration from, from, you know, the UFC when it comes to, like, his matchmaking. Like, you know, very rarely, they're like, oh, you fought Henry Suda for five rounds in May. Can you turn around and fight again three months later? So I don't see them being like, you know what, Al Jameen, you've been a great champion. Let's give you an automatic rematch. We've got this superstar in Sean O'Malley.

We're going to give you a rematch that, you know, you're going to be favored to win. I don't think he's getting the title shot I don't think I think Marabda Wallace really is the guy but I don't even know if he's getting the title shot so Al Jermaine like

why not he loses the Max Holloway how bad is that like okay well you go back to 135 you got another option like but if you beat Max Holloway if you go out beat Max Holloway

as Al Jermaine Sterling you can put him on the ground and choke him out let's just hypothetically say that could happen you just erased every memory people how do you get knocked up by Sean Amalley Yeah, that's for sure, yeah.

Yeah, it's kind of a lose-lose for Max, though, right? I mean, kind of, but I mean, Max needs high-profile fights. If he's going to get back, if he's going to justify a fourth fight with Alexander Volcanowski, and he's going to interest Alexander Volcanowski in that because, I mean, what does Alex have to gain, really? He's got three wins over Max. What does he really have to gain for fighting for a fourth time? You know, it's like, you know, keep trying until you win one.

Al Jermaine's a big enough name. He's a former champion. And he's a new guy. Like, you're not fighting. Because I don't really have a lot of interest in watching Max beat up Brian Ortega again. I don't really have a lot of interest in watching him beat Calvin Cater. I don't really, like, when I look down that list, like, there's really not like the one guy out there is Ziliate Tporia. And he's fighting Volcanovsky.

So. Right. And it's a big fight. Like Max could headline a card, a big fight night card. He could headline a card against Al Jermaine Sterling. Yeah, yeah, I feel where you're coming from there. I just wonder how Max would feel about it, you know? I have a hard time seeing him getting very excited about that.

Maybe, but here's the thing, like, I know Max, because Max has dabbled it going to 155. I know he's talked about that and he did it with the Deporee fight a couple years ago, but we've seen this over and over and over again. It is not easy to jump up weight classes and find a ton of success, especially when you're talking about a snake pit like lightweight or a snake pit like Waltrowe. Like when you're jumping into the deep end, like listen, dude, you will not find a bigger

Kabidna Magamatoff hand. And the guy sitting in this chair, I think the guy is a monster, best lightweight of all time, all those kind of things. But if he had moved to 170 when he was in the prime his career, I still think there's like, I think about him fighting a guy like Usman in his prime,

a guy like Hamzot, who was at 170 around that time. Like, dude, I don't care. He would have, there's no way he would have had some struggles fighting that big, strong, massive opponents that you'd fight a welterweight. Same thing here. Like, Max Holloway is as good as they get, but he was, he had problems dealing with Porre's size and power at lightweight. So I don't know, like, could he go to lightweight and fight some guys?

Sure. Like, there's some fun fights there for him as well, but I think the Al Jermaine fight would be fun. It's a big fight. Al Jermaine's a former champion. Max is a former champion. They're both kind of stuck in limbo right now. Like, you know, Al Jermaine's not getting a rematch and he's not going to fight Marab.

I mean. Let me ask this question. What would you get more excited for? Al Jermaine versus Max Holloway or Al Jermaine versus... I'm trying to think like who's a little further down the rankings of Bantaway. Like Rob Fon, you're going to get excited for Al Jameen Rob Fon? Are you excited for Al Jermaine Max Holloway? I see where you're coming from.

I mean, I get where you come from. I just don't see where the advantage is for Max because you've got to think that the only thing Max really wants is to get back to fight Volkanowski again, right? And, you know, I don't know what his future plans are, but, you know, when you look at the amount of fights that he's had and the amount of fights, you know, if he can't get back to fighting Alex, you know, like, you know, what does he want to do with his career?

Is he just going to shoot for those big super fights, you know? And if that's the case, yeah, maybe like an algebra fight, it makes sense. But if he wants to get back to fighting Alex, you know, he's got a, he's got to fight, you know, whether it is a Rob Fon or, well, I guess, you know, that'd be a different way, but, you know, he, it might be whoever, you know, might have to rematch Ortega or, you know, whatever it is. You know, he's got to do what he's got to do to get back to that. And just my feeling from Max without, you know, I'm not like close with him or anything, but my feeling is like he wants another title shot and whatever's going to get him closer to that. And I don't see we're beating out, Joe. does a lot for him to get him closer to fighting Alex again. I disagree, and here's why. And I'll close out on this,

we'll move on, but I'll say this. We got to remember one fight ago. If Al Jameen had beaten Sean Amalley, nothing would be different for sure. Al Jameen, well, no, what I'm saying is Al Jain beat Sean O'Malley. Al Jermaine would have gone up to the title, and I think he could have fought Volcanovsky. I think he could have taken a shot from Ilya.

So that's why I say, like, I don't think it's a terrible thing, because it's still a big name, it's still a former champion. It's still a big fight. Because when I look down the list, and I don't mean to knock any of these guys, but like I said, Yair, he's beaten.

Ortega, he's beaten. Arnold Allen, he's beaten. That's number two, three, and four. Ilya's getting the title shot. The next guy is Josh Hymett. Now, would Max Holloway and Josh Hibn be a fun fight, sure? But Josh Himmons coming off

two losses in a row to Yaiir and Ilya. Doesn't make sense. Like, does it do? I would say, okay, so let's go a little further down. Let's go to Calvin Cater, already fought him and beat him. Chan Sung Jung, the Korean zombie just fought him and beat him.

The next guy on the line is Giga Chikaze. Now, do I think Giga and Max would be a fun fight? Sure, it would be a fun fight. Stryker against striker. Giga's really high-level striking, but, you know, Giga's one fight removed from losing to Calvin Cater. I just, like, to me, like, what's a bigger, more meaningful fight? Giga Chikaze or Al Jermaine Sterling?

And again, now, if Al Jameen loses again, then it goes away. But just being a former champion, one fight removed from being champion was already. talking about going to 145? I mean, I don't know. I just think it's a fun fight. It's a big name. And it would be an opportunity for Max to take another,

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flyweight debut against Meno Fior. That was an interesting one to be, Matt, because Rose Nam and Unis, of course, multi-time strawweight champion. She has two wins

over the current champion, Janeway Lee. So I think we all kind of assume, she was going to get right back. I mean, I swear I thought they were just going to give her the title fight before Amanda Lehmosh. Because, you know, it's Rose Nomiunis. Instead, she leaves the division. She moves up to 125 and she's fighting Mendo Fiore. Now, I talked to Aaron Blanchfield before her fight. She obviously went over the weekend against Tyler Santos, and she appears to be the number one contender in the division. I asked her about Rose, and she's like, I don't really understand the move. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me because Rose wasn't the biggest 115 pounder. Like she's kind of a wiry, you know. And, like, I don't, like, she's like, I don't understand that. That move didn't make sense to me is I think what she said exactly.

Matt, I don't totally disagree with her. Now, do I like Rose Naomi Eunice? Absolutely. Do I think Rose can beat Manofiore? Yes, because Menofiore is not a super high-level grappler. And as long as Rose goes to that kind of attack in this fight, I think she's got a great chance. But this is one of those ones where it's kind of like, I don't, I don't know if she's going to find as much success in flyweight as she found a strawweight. Like she's one of the best straw weights of all time,

but we saw when Joanna moved up and she fought Valentina. It was just, it wasn't, it wasn't even. It wasn't like a, you know, an even matchup between those two. So I don't know. I mean, I don't know. What do you think? Like, I know it's impossible to predict before we see it, but that was, like there are certain fighters when they make the move.

I'm kind of like, okay, that makes sense. Didn't really make sense with Rose to me. Yeah, I'm right there with you. The only, the hard part about comment on this, I've never heard of Amanda Fionori or is it? Mano Fior. She's proud of yours. She's fresh.

I've literally never even heard this name before. So maybe I need to, maybe if I'm doing a podcast talking about fights, I should follow fights closer. But like I've literally never heard of her. So I have no idea what that means for Rose. So, but I do know Rose and follow her a lot and closely.

and, you know, you know, she's an interesting character, right? Like, she's a little bit unique with a personality and the way she goes about things. So, you know, maybe there's, you know, just something in her mind's telling her to do this. But, you know, I feel the same way as you. I mean, she's not big enough for that weight class, I don't think.

She was a very like, she's tall. but she's very wiry for 115. Like I just... Has she fought it at 125 before? No, first time. First time doing it. She's fought a straw with her entire... It was one of the weirder ones.

It was one of the ones when I heard it. I was like, really? That's kind of odd, especially knowing she has two wins over the current strawaway champion. Like, is she looking for a different kind of challenge? She's fighting... She's fighting Alexe Grasso in like two weeks for the title, the rematch.

At 35. At 25. At 25. Okay. So Rose's going to move up and not fight for the... So I thought that you were saying they're moving up for a vacant title shot. No, no, no. They're just...

Yeah, they're just fighting. Valentin and Alexa are fighting in two weeks at that Mexican Independence Day card in Vegas. The Noce UFC card, September 16. They're fighting in the rematch, yeah. So basically it's going to come down to the winner of this one between Fior and Rose and then Aaron Blanchfield, who, of course, got to win this past weekend. So I just me and you've talked about Aaron Blanchfield since she debuted and we're like, dude, this is the next one in line right here. Like she's a fucking badass.

She is. And you know what I loved about her performance this last weekend? It didn't come easy. Like went out there, Tyler Santos brought it to her in that first round. Like she was hitting her pretty good. I was like, damn. Tyler Santos is lighting her up a little bit on the feet. Blancheville didn't blink, didn't get discouraged, comes back out in that second round, grinds her, wears her out by the third round.

Santos was tired, couldn't really put any sting on her punches anymore. And I said, like, if that fight had gone five rounds, she would have finished that fight. Like, there's not a doubt in my mind. She would have just worn out Tyler Santos by round four, round five. I love those kind of gritty performances, because it can't always be easy. Like, it can't always just be you go out there and just absolutely, like, that was Shane Carwin. I love Shane Carwood.

But, like, remember him, everyone? He just went out and absolutely just ran through people. And then when he had that fight with Lesnar and he couldn't do it, like, he couldn't finish Lesnar. during that first round, and he was just gone. He was gassed out of his mind. You need those challenges. You need to get pushed.

You know, you need to not have it made easy on you. Yeah, and now we see that she can work through that kind of grind, too, right? Like you said, like there's people out there that run through people for a long time. Then you realize, oh, okay, the game playing here is you got to survive the first round and then you got a good shot. But now we see with her, like, she can go through a long fight or a short fight and she has skills and she's tough like I see a lot

of good things out of her and she's 24 I mean you know there's no rush with her she's got plenty of time like even if she doesn't get the next title shot like she's right there she's a monster like I think like I think I think she could I think you could argue she's the best

flyweight in terms of talent right now she just doesn't have a resume but yeah like she's a monster and that's where I'm like that's where like again where I like I'm very curious how Rose is going to do because in terms of talent, Rose is one of the most talented fighters I've ever seen.

Like she's incredibly talented. But, you know, as I just said, like the example with Kabebebeer earlier or anybody else, like can you find success moving up a weight class? Absolutely you can. Look at Kelvin Gasselm did it, middleweight. Robert Whitaker was a welterweight. We all forget he was once a welterweight.

Got beat by Stephen Wonderboy Thompson. Goes up to middleweight and he's, you know, a champion and one of the best middleweights in the world. It obviously can be done. But it's not easy. And there's a steep learning curve when you go up to a different weight class like that. As you want to go on Jayhag, one of my favorite fighters in history found out when she fought Valentina at 125. Like it's just a different, different size speed.

You know, Valentina dealt with that at 135. Like, she was, I think she was skilled per skill as good or better than anyone at 135. But Amanda Nunes was a little bit bigger, a little bit stronger, and those little advantages make a difference. you know those little things make a difference in a fight and so skill for skill i think rose is the better fighter and i think she's one of the most talented fighters in the world but can she deal with that size that power that weight discrepancy you know that's going to be a yeah you know it's not like she was it's not like we saw rose and were like man she's struggling to make 115 like that was never the case of rose right right and it's like you know can you deal with that power in size but also

does your own power carry over you know that's such a big part too like can you hurt that people at a larger weight class. It's much harder to hurt a bigger person than it is a smaller person. I mean, it's just physics or, I don't know, something, you know, some sort of scientific shit. But that goes, you know, you see it in boxing all the time. Like, guys are knocking people out and then they go up to bigger weight class. And, you know, eventually they stop knocking people out just simply by going up weight classes, even though they're landing as many clean shots.

Yeah, so I think that's going to be the interesting part on top of all that. Did you, real quick, did you see the Ucic fight over the weekend? I've seen clips. I didn't watch it closely. It kind of was about what I expected to happen. You know, so I wasn't overly excited about it. I didn't watch it. I saw the clips.

I didn't watch the fight itself. I was working to, I worked the UFC Singapore card, so I was up at like 6 a.m. on Saturday mornings. By the time Max Holloway got done fighting, I was like, I need a nap. I'm not staying up for Usoc right now. I'm too tired. I forgot. You don't get up at early.

No, I do not ever. So like by the end of the press conference on Saturday, I was like, all right, I need a nap. I'm done. I was like I like Alexander Usick, but I'm not staying up for his fight right now. Well, he looked great as always. You know, people keep wondering when he's going to lose his step, right? Because he's 35, 36 years old now, which is pretty old in boxing years, right? So, you know, the consensus keeps saying like, dude, he's about to lose his step.

But he just goes out there and proves everybody wrong every time. And he's still looking great. He's still doing amazing. And like I said, the matchup, you kind of knew that it was a good matchup for Usik. It was dangerous in the respect that Du Bois could have landed, you know, a big shot. That's kind of what he does, right? Could have land a big shot, hurt Husick. And, you know, Usik had his feet under him still at this age.

So it wasn't happening. Yeah, I saw Daniel fight. I think he fought on the undercard for that first Paul Woodley card in Cleveland. I got to meet him and saw him fight on that. car and he's you know good good heavyweight but yeah it's just let me let me I know we've talked a lot because we have the mma side of this whole thing Matt like we get it but you are the boxing guy like anytime I want to know about boxing you're my go-to resource because you actually follow boxing super close I don't I fully admit like I watch crawford and spence loved every minute

of that but I don't follow the you know I don't follow the up-and-comers I'm not like a super nuanced boxing guy so I come to you for this there has been like a real I won't say I'll say an uproar but like here we are again is kind of like the sense I get from the boxing community. Like, Usset goes out, and he's still the other guy in the division, beats DeBois, he's beaten Joshua twice, everyone wants to see him fight Fury, and yet Tyson Fury is fighting Francis Ingano. Now, we've had this conversation on the show before, Matt.

You will not find anybody rooting harder for Francis and Gondo to make his paycheck. Do I think he has a great chance of beating Tyson Fury? No, I'm not going to lie to him and say he does. He doesn't. He doesn't have a great chance. Does he have a puncher's chance because he hits like a truck? yes but realistically does he have anything beyond that probably not but as a boxing purist yourself like now i know you we've said this on the show we're all happy for frances right like that's

let's get that out of there we're all happy frances is getting paid there's no doubt about that but in terms of boxing you see usick fight and now two months later we're going to see fury fight and another fight is there like any genuine upset that we're not getting to see usick and fury right now yeah i think a lot of people are upset and i mean i think you said it perfectly like well right like Francis we're all happy as hell for him the loser in this whole situation is usick right like you know Fury's getting another big payday where a lot of people are going to watch this fight right like Fury and Ghanai's getting a big payday and Gano's getting a big payday Usick's out there fighting Daniel Du Bois Du Bois however you say it yeah like you know he's kind of

getting fucked in this whole thing you know the I guess the question is really you know and none of us really know, like maybe unless you're a deep, deep boxing follower, which I'm not. Like, I do follow it pretty closely, but I don't get deep into the political shit. And it's like, you know, who's not making the fight? Is it Fury or is it Ussick? And, you know, you hear both of them claiming the other one's the one fucking up the negotiations. But, you know, so I don't know who's making the problem there.

You know, it took Mayweather Pac-Man, what, five, six, seven years to make that fight. Like this is the way big boxing matches go, which was why Crawford Spence was so amazing. Two fucking top guys in their prime, you know, going out there and putting on a show. So I don't know, you know, who's making the problem here. But in one way or another, Ussick is the fucking loser here. He's the one getting fucked out of this big,

potentially biggest heavyweight fight shit. Since I can remember, don't know. I want to see that fight. I think everybody, you know, wants to see Usik and Fury and see, you know, I think the consensus is probably leaning towards Fury, beating him, but it's like, you know, we've never seen Fury against the guy like that that moves that well and throws the volume that Usik throws and, you know, brings the kind of skills that Usik brings. So I think everybody wants to see it. Usik is super technical.

You know, he's not the biggest heavyweight, obviously. He's an undersized heavyweight, so he has to be more technical. He's not just going out there swinging and trying to get one-punch knockouts. I think that's what makes him so dangerous because he's super skilled and he knows he can't compensate with just like, well, if I lose three rounds, I can come back with the big right hand and I can win the fight. That's just not who he is. He can't, you know, he doesn't, he's not built that way. And I think it's, and Tyson Fury is actually a super technical boxer himself, and he obviously has, knockout power. I think it's a really interesting matchup. But again, like, yeah, you're right.

He's a loser in this whole thing. And like, you mentioned Mayweather Pachia, and I've said this before. Did I enjoy Mayweather Pachial? Sure, it was a lot of fun. Like, I was glad to see two icons of boxing fight. Did it come about three or four years too late? Yes, it did. Pachial wasn't the same Pachial as when he was on that run when he was just, just mopping people. You know what I mean? Like he was not the same at that point. Now, do I think that, you know, Fury can beat Inganu and then fight Usik a year later and it's still not a great fight? Sure, it is. But do I have a lot of confidence in that actually happening?

No, I don't. So, like, that's, like, as happy as I am for Francis, like, there's part of my, like, my competitive fighter brain where I'm like, yeah, it's a great fight, but what's a more competitive fight? Well, yeah, it's clearly Usik and Fury. Like, are we going to, like, I know we say this. Like, we talk ourselves into it, but, like, we can't talk ourselves. Like, I talk myself into knowing that Francis has.

one chance to beat Tyson Fury, and that is catching him with a big punch and putting him out. Now, can that happen? Yes, it can. Heavy weights are built like that. I saw an interview, I saw, I was watching something today with Butterbean.

Remember Butterbean? And Butterbee was talking about, like, he's like, you know, this guy was skilled, that guy was skilled, and Butterbean said something like, yeah, but Heavyweight just hit hard. He's like, it didn't really matter. I hit hard. Like, he's like, I was never that good.

I just hit really freaking hard. And I was like, that's fair. he was also never a great heavyweight boxer. You know, no one ever called Butter being like a great heavyweight boxer. But it's true. But it's true. When you hit hard, that can make up for a lot of your technical deficiencies. But, you know, to an extent it does.

And like I've talked about this before, man. Like, you know, to an extent it does. But obviously, like, you have to land that punch too. Yeah. Like that, it works great against really technical guys up until they're about, you know, fucking Tyson Fury level. Yeah. Like,

yeah, that works great. But now, you know, it doesn't do so much for you when you got a guy like Tyson Fury that can Bob and weave and move like a little guy. Yeah. Well,

it's like I still, I still think it's insulting to everyone just because of downgrade Deonté Wilder, even though he is a power punch. And that's what he does. He's not the worst boxer. You don't get to that level. Like, does he have insane knockout power?

Of course he does. He has some of the most heavyweight boxing power ever. But he still has to go out there. You can't just be a terrible boxer and survive in that level without being at least somewhat decent to make at that point. You know what I mean? Like can you lose rounds and need to come back with a big haymaker? Sure. But as you said, you still have to land it.

You know what I mean? Like, it's not like you can throw the wing in a prayer and hope it lands. Like you still have to land it. Yeah. And I think Dante, Deonté Wilder is better than a lot of people getting credit for it too. and he just looks terrible doing it. You know, he gets off balance. And, you know, he does a lot of the technical flaws that a boxing coach would say,

you know, he's not doing this good. He's not doing this good. He's not doing this good. Like he's not going to be writing any books on boxing technique. But there's, you know, I tell all of my students this all the time. They say, hey, you know, should I throw like this or can I do this? And I would say, look, if it lands, it wasn't wrong. Right.

So, you know, you can talk all the shit they want about D. I don't say, wow, or how it looks. but he lands. So what's the problem? He lands and knocks motherfuckers out. That's what the goal is. Yeah. Who do you think hits harder, Deonté or Francis de Ngano?

That's a good question. I'd love to see a punch-off contest. I don't know. But to be honest, I would lean towards Francis just because the way he's built. Like, Deontes obviously built a punch, but he's so much longer. You know what I mean?

And so I think a lot of his power comes from, you know, him winging. I don't know. Like Francis is so much more muscular, you know what I mean? So I bet like on a power scale like France is probably his harder. But when you get, you know, when you get at the end of one of Deontes' long, hard straight rights, it's like, you know, is it so much harder that, you know, it's not going to. and knocks someone out. You know what I mean?

It's like a nuclear bomb versus a fucking atom bomb. I don't know. The same thing or what. I don't know. But I don't know. It's like AK versus an AR, right? Like they're both fucking killing you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like I listen. I listen. I know I'm maybe a little bit biased. Like I think Francis might hit harder than anyone we've seen in combat sports that I can remember. Like maybe pound for pound Tyson maybe hit harder in his prime.

Like pound for pound. Like, at his best at 22. All right. Tell me who was pound for pound, the hardest puncher in history. In MMA or across boxing, too? Across boxing too. You're not, I would have no idea. I have no idea who would be the best.

A little bit of boxing trivia. So there's a guy that is pretty much the consensus hardest pound for pound hitter in history, and that's Julian Jackson. Okay. I don't even know Julian Jackson is. Yeah, he was in the 80s. So you have to check him out, man.

But there's a lot of guys they say You know, Ernie Shavers is one I know Ernie Shavers, I know him, I know him Yeah, yeah Sunny Liston is also up there at the top So yeah, there's certainly a lot of guys Yeah, but Francis Like the way that dude generates power is scary

And again, that's his shot And I, you know what, again, I don't, dude I don't care if he goes out there, loses And doesn't win a single round As long as he's getting paid $20 million or whatever I'll be happy for him But yeah, like I said, that's his shot, dude, If he can land that one shot, dude, he can put anybody out.

If Tyson Fury is, like, playing around and, you know, not taking a series, I hope he's taking a series. I would assume he is. I mean, that's the question, too, right? Like, you know, we would have said the same thing about Deonté Wilder. If he can land that one shot, well, he did land that one shot. And Tyson got the fuck back up. So, yeah, can Francis land out one shot? You know, he better hit harder than fucking Deonté Wilder did.

It scares me, though, because I'm always, like, I always wonder, like, how serious is he taking it. Like, is Tyson, because Tyson is one of the most talented heavyweight boxers I've ever seen. Like, I've told you before, you're always surprised when I tell you who my favorite boxer is is Lennox Lewis. I love Lennox Lewis. I loved watching the box. Super technical, great fighter, and that's kind of what Tyson Fear reminds us, super technical, great fighter, but there are moments when he's kind of taking his eye off the ball in terms like outside to get outside the ring stuff. Now, we've all heard the stories. Obviously, he's dealt with mental health issues and I have 100% root for him on that kind of stuff. But, but,

But, you know, he seems like he's in peak form right now. He's at his best right now. But, you know, no one is going to pick Francis Ngano to beat him. So is there like a world where he doesn't take this seriously? And he thinks he can go in there and just clown Francis and Gano. And Gano just uncorks Alistair ovary punch and takes his head off. Like, there is a world where that can happen. Yeah.

And that's, so this is what we were talking about before, right? the biggest advantage that Francis has is Tyson doesn't know anything about him as a boxer, right? He knows what he could do as a MA fighter, but he's never watched him box before, right? He's never seen him, you know, how he moves in the ring, you know, with shoes on. And, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just different, you know, like, is Francis going to go in there and, you know, set things up? Is he going to start off with a jab? Is he going to, you know, just O' Haymakers?

Like, you know what I mean? so like Tyson has no idea what to really expect here and that makes a problem for his training camp and you know what what train partners does he bring in and you know what kind of looks is he getting so you know Francis has all the video on Fury for years and years of boxing so in that aspect like Francis has a huge advantage yeah and like I said man that again I agree with you because I saw Wilder knock Tyson Fury down and I would have said fights over. Like just wave it off. It's done.

And he got up and continued. And I still to this day, don't know how in the hell he did it. So, you know, can he take a punch? Well, you know, it could take a punch. But my worry is how seriously is he taking him? Because, you know, he knows he should beat Francis degano. Francis deGano should not win a single round against Tyson Fury in reality, right? Like, it should not happen.

But, you know, is he going to be clowning? is he going to be playing around? Is he going to be just like, you know, fucking around in there? And Francis has taken this dead serious. And he comes out there and uncorks the right hand or throws an uppercut and snaps his head off. Could that happen? Yeah. Now, again, am I saying it's likely to happen?

No. But that worries me for Tyson. Like, is he taking this seriously? Like, is he like, is he grinding for Francis and Gano the way he would grind for Alexander Usik? Is he grinding for Francis and Gano to what he grinded for three fights with Deonté Wilder? I don't know. Sure.

And I can say from my own experience, my worst fights were the ones where I just, you know, the second that I got the call to fight this guy, I was like, oh, I got this, no problem. The ones I knew that I was better than the guy. Like, like I could quote, I could cite particular exact times that I lost thinking that I was so much better than the guy that it would be easy. And you don't get as nervous. And, you know, there's a, you know, you know, you got to be scared of the guy, right?

You got to respect him. You got to go out there knowing that there's a chance. And, you know, that's a hard lesson to learn, right? And, you know, unfortunately, I learned it by getting punched up and shit. But, you know, you can, you know, it's going to be interesting to see if that's how it ends out from Fury. But, you know, I get the feeling, you know, he's a consummate professional and he's going to be ready. And to be honest, like, even if he wasn't fully ready, like, he's, He's boxed for a long fucking time.

And this is Francis's first boxing match. So, you know, he might even be okay. But, you know, it might be the difference between Francis going eight rounds versus 12 rounds. Yeah. It's interesting. Like I said, I'm not certainly not going to say to pick Francis and Gondon to win. But those little things do concern me. Like I said, because, you know, again, like, I didn't have that concern for when Floyd fought Connor.

But I just, I don't know. Like I'm not saying, like I said, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not going to pick it to happen. The opposite to happen. Well, I think that Floyd Connor is a perfect example where I don't think Floyd took that serious. No, he probably did. Yeah.

And therefore, Connor went, what, nine rounds? Yeah, to the ninth round. Had he taken a serious and he really wanted to make a show and go out there and win, you know, probably would have lasted four. Yeah, well, that's the same thing we saw when Floyd. And again, I know we're dealing with a giant size difference and everything, but like that's what we saw with Floyd with Logan Paul. was making a show of it.

Yeah. Like, and guess what? They sold a shit ton of pay per views off that. Like, they sold an ass ton of paper views with him and Logan Paul. How do you sell pay per views? You sell pay per views by people tuning in and staying,

not by people like going to pay for a one round fight. Like, they're going to go in and watch an eight round fight. Do you, do we really in our absolute world awards believe that Logan Paul, even as big as he is, is a millionth percent the same as Floyd Mayweather? No.

Right. He let him hang around there. and yes the size did make a difference. Logan's like 6-2 and 200 pounds and Floyd is whatever, 5-7, you know. So yes, there's a massive size discrepancy. But come on now. Like, you know, Floyd was dicking around in there.

He wasn't going in there trying to knock out Logan Paul. He was doing it for a show. Yeah, and Floyd's smart too. Like, we all know Floyd has had hand problems for years and years. So why would he go in there and just unload a combo straight off? Right. Like, it's going to be so much. easier for him if he does it like he did Logan

or Connor, right? Carry them along, let them get tired. He's one of the best defensive fighters in history. He fucking lets these guys burn themselves out and do all the little boxing tricks, feel the guy out, don't take no punches, and make it an easy

night for you, put on a little bit of a show. Like, no one cares if Floyd Mayweather beats Logan Paul in 10 rounds or two rounds, you know what I mean? Like Noah's like, oh, Floyd sucks now, took him 10 rounds. That's Floyd's style. So, you know, he's always going to do that.

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holy shit, this guy, he just went. If you look at the comments, like Dylan Danes went from the biggest laughing stock in MMA history to just a fucking legend now. Like everybody's like, this dude is a fucking killer.

He went for the jugular. I'll give him that, man. He's not slowing down on that. I guess you're going to get people interested in watching a fight. You might as well tune. You might as well get him to tune in because I don't think Dylan Dennis is a good boxer. Not that I think Logan Paul is a great

boxer, but listen, dude, like I said, get more power to him. I think he's, do I actually think he's going to show up and fight? Do I still have that question? Because that's kind of been, he's been out since 2019. Like, do I really have faith? And then, dude, they brought over Mike Perry is the backup. I'm actually talking to Mike

tomorrow. They brought over Mike Perry and he stared down with Logan Paul. Logan's probably like in the back of Logan said, he's like, please, dear God, let Dylan Dana stand this fight because he does not want to fight Mike Perry. I'm sorry, dude. Mike Perry. Mike Perry will knock the piss out of Logan Paul. That's good.

Yeah, that'd be really interesting if that happens. But I'll tell you what, even if Dylan does make it to the fight, which I'm with you, we have no clue if he's actually going to. But if he does, dude, we shouldn't discount Dylan. Like he is a good, a really, really good athlete. He's been doing stand-up for a while now. I don't think he's, you know, he's his own worst standing me.

Like he puts, you know, backs out of him. these fights, talks, all this stupid shit. Says some of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. And, you know, just starts to feuds with the completely wrong people. Like, fucking Gordon Ryan and Gary Taunton. Like, like, why would you start a feud with those guys? Like, they thrive on that shit. So, yeah, so anyway, but he is a fucking athlete, bro.

And I would say probably, you know, just on athletic playing field. like he's got to be comparable with Logan Paul as an athlete, I think. I mean, yeah, I would say you're right, but here's the thing. Like, I don't know, man.

Like, like, yeah, is he comparable to that? Yeah, but you know who else was a, you know who else was an athlete, like a legit athlete, an Olympian?

Ben Ascran. How well did he do when he went and fought boxing against Jake Paul ball ball ball people? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, Ben, Ben's a unique athlete, too. But I'm saying,

he's an Olympian he's an actual like he went and wrestling the Olympics he's a legit NCAA champion wrestler that's an athlete fair i think tyron would be a better example there because he's like he's actually a real athlete but you know what i'm saying though like but i'm saying like that's a wrestler trying like he's a jihitsu guy like he doesn't like there's i have and i it's like the ingotid like i have no i at least ingano is known as a knockout like he's a knockout striker and mixed martial arts dylan danis is a submission specialist this is not his first like if it's If it's Wonderboy, Wonderboy who's primarily a kickboxer, but he's a striker, right? If he was going to go over and do it, I have a little bit more faith in him because he knows you do it. You're a legit striker, legit knockouters. Now, are you a full-time boxer? No, but what I believe you could go over there and knock the piss out of Logan Paul? Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, you could do that. Dylan Danis is a jiu-sciu guy and a good jiu-jitsu guy.

I mean, not the best, but he was a very good jiu-jitsu guy, but jiu-jitsu's not boxing. You know what I mean? Like, that's not throwing hands. Like, so I don't, like, I'm not saying that I just, I don't know. Like, I'm still of the mindset. I'm, I'm on Dylan Danes the way you're on Connor McGregor. Like, is he ever going to fight again? Like, I'm on that boat.

Like, I think this is going to be a good show. And like, you know, something's going to happen two weeks for the fight where he's going to, you know, hurt a rib muscle or something. And we're not going to see him fight. But the show is fun. Like, I do the press conference last week lasted for like 15 minutes. It was so ridiculous and stupid. But it was like way more.

like John Fury flipped up a table and Logan's throwing cake at Dylan Dennis. It was the most ridiculous thing ever, but it was kind of fun. Fair point. Yeah, fair point. I mean, yeah, he's probably going to get fucked up. I just, I never seen Logan Paul Box, so I don't even know if he's any good. I mean, it's not, I mean, what do we, like, what's the scale of good? Like, what's the scale?

Like, is Logan Paul a good boxer compared to Dylan Dan? probably. Is Logan Paul a good boxer compared to Floyd Mayweather? No. Is he a good boxer compared to, you know, one of the, no. Like, there's a sliding scale of good. Like when we say, it's like when we say Jake Paul's, like Jake Paul's not a bad boxer. He's not a bad boxer compared to, you know, Anderson Silva and Nate Diaz and Tyrone Woodley.

And, you know, but is he a good boxer compared to David Benavides? No. we're in a different you're in a different universe right now fair point fair point okay yeah yeah yeah is it yeah it was yeah it works out

I don't know how do we end up talking about this shit anyway we were talking about boxing and I mentioned high level boxing and joked about Dylan Daneson Logan oh you're breaking it up I see I did I did I brought it well I was I was leaning

into like because dude it's it's It's happening like two weeks or a week before, two weeks before Inganu Fury. Inganu Fury is on the 28th, the 28th, Logan Paul, and then obviously KSI and Tommy Fury are fighting on the same card on the 14th. So it's like two weeks apart.

So like that's the weirdest month of boxing ever. The two biggest cards are KSI versus Tommy Fury, Logan Paul versus Dylan Danis and Francis in Gondu against Tyson Fury. Dude, what is this world coming to? dude it's hilarious to me though but you know what i enjoy the show because you know what Alexander usick is the second best heavyweight in the sport how many people were like super excited and man can't wait to watch that one on saturday i just said dude i could have watched it i was like i need sleep i didn't care enough to stay awake at you were like you said the same

thing you're like yeah i watched the highlights but guess what we're all we are one we are all going to watch KSI Tommy Fury and Logan Paul and Dylan Danz. Why? Because it's a freaking side show dude. It's a circus. We all enjoy the circus. Yeah, well, to be honest, I probably won't watch those, but I might. But you said the thing about Fury and God, you're like, I'm going to hate myself for watching it, but I'm going to you're right. That one I'm watching. Yeah, that one, you got to watch that one. But

you said, dude boy, I was like, you know, I just had other shit going on, man. You know, it was a bad at a time. But tell me, but tell me the truth. What I said earlier, you talk about Dylan Danes is a real athlete. Okay, I can, I can jive with that. He's a real athlete. He is.

He's legit. He's a legit jitzy guy. But if you're Logan Paul, who are you hoping to see across the ring from you that night? Dylan Danis or Mike Perry? Oh, yeah. Yeah, good call. Good call. Yeah, he's not want to fuck with Mike Perry, man.

And not because, like, Mike Perry's not a great boxer either. but he doesn't give a fuck bro like he comes forward and throws bombs like I was I just watched one of his versus MVP of bare knuckle the day and I was like he has no technique at all he literally

just walked forward and throws and he doesn't look good doing it at all but it fucking gets the job done so yeah I'm right there with you he's praying the Dylan Dan and shows up come on like dude like I'm not saying like you know I'm not saying you know Mike as you said I'm not saying Mike Perry's the best box but as you said

Mike Perry don't give a fuck he will go in there and throw hands and Dylan and Logan Paul will regret his life decisions with that fight because he does not want to get probably he's been he's been punched by KSI and he kind of got punched a little bit by Floyd Mayweather who's like 40 pounds lighter than him um and he's never been he's like imagine the first real punch you take from a dude around your weight is Mike Perry like that that's he been he's like right now Logan Paul is the biggest Dylan Danis fan. He does not want that dude dropping out of this fight. So what is Logan Paul's end game here?

I know Jake Paul, he wanted to be, like he wants to be a boxer, right? Like, you know, he's built himself up, you know, through all these, you know, obviously he's not working out too great for him. But, you know, he's built himself up through all these big fight, you know, sideshow shit. But he wants to actually be a boxer. What is Logan Paul looking for here? Logan Paul wants to be a star, and he is.

He's in WWE. He's doing the wrestling thing. He's, you know, obviously doing all that kind of stuff. You know what I think he's building towards you? You want to know honestly what he's building towards right now? I'm telling you, 24, Logan Paul versus Jake Paul in a boxing match. Oh, wow. Okay.

Didn't you see all the controversy a couple weeks ago? They did a podcast together. Logan's like, I'm a better boxer than you. And, like, they were kind of going back and forth. And there's like kind of getting a little heated between them. and I'm like, come on, they are just 100% building towards the moment when the Paul brothers fight in a boxing ring. They are building it up to do this huge pay-per-view where brothers collide.

Why? I'm telling you right now, that is what they're building towards. Okay, okay. That makes sense. Oh, that would be a big seller. That, for sure, would be a gigantic fight, right? Yeah. Come on now.

Like, that's 100% that's what they're building towards. All right, all right. Yeah. All right. I see the game now. KSI is fighting Tommy. Let's be honest, Tommy Fury should win. Like, there's, I mean, he should win.

Maybe KSI fights Jake afterwards, because they've been going back and forward. Maybe they fight Tyson, or excuse me, yeah, Tyson. Logan goes out there beats Dylan Danis or praise he doesn't have to fight Mike Perry. Or he'll suddenly have a rib injury and not fight Mike Perry. And then they're 20, I'm telling you, 2024, some point we're going to be talking about Logan Paul against Jake Paul. I'm telling you right now it's coming. Man, we need to just make a shit show league, right? just the side show circus league, right?

Just, dude, but you know what? I've just learned to embrace it, man. I'm done fighting it, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying it's good. I'm not saying it's good. Trust me, I would much rather watch Max Holloway and the Korean zombie. And I'd much rather have watched Cyril Ghan and Sergei Spivak and Israel Adasanya against Sean Strickland.

I'll watch those fights a thousand times over. But I've given up fighting the whole influencer boxing. And I do whatever. It's fun. I don't care. It is pretty fun. I can't lie. You're from Ohio.

You went to, you and I both went to tough man contest back in the day. Did we not? Remember when they used to have tough men's here? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were horrible. But it was fun to watch two dudes going there and fight for eight seconds to one of them got knocked out. Yep, yep. Yeah.

So, I mean, that's this. This is this tough man competition all over again. This is two dudes who have no business being in there who are going to throw. punches at each other and you know you might see one of them getting their head knocked off that's literally what this is i just wish they would do like uh uh moit Thai like let these guys kick and elbow and beat actually beat the fuck out of each other dude is that was like when we were talking about the whole elan musmark zuckabberg thing we talked about the lowest level mhm a like the reason i don't want them doing mhm

because it's going to look so bad it is going to look so like they're going to hit the floor and it's going to be hilariously bad dude you can literally go down to the local shit show, MMA, regional barnyard show and see the exact same thing as those two guys, right? So I don't get why people are into it. But it doesn't sound like it's going to happen, though.

No, it doesn't sound like it's going to happen. It sounds like Elon Musk is scared from what it sounds like. You team suck, I guess. I'm not team suck as much as I'm, that's the way it looks. Like, you know, Elon's like, let's go fight in your backyard. Like, really? That's where you want to do you want to, put on this fight that a billion people would watch,

and you want to have it in this backyard? Like, you want to have, like, the Facebook satellite's broadcast? Like, what's going on here? So,

yeah, it seems like, I taught, dude, did I tell you when we talked about that months ago? Didn't I say that the egos of these two guys would never allow them to fight? Oh, for sure.

Yeah. Like, their egos would never, like, Elon Musk would never allow his ego to get bruised by getting, like, tapped out by Marks, there's no world where he wants his ego to get destroyed like that.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, they're fucking nerds. Like, what are they doing even talking about fighting? That's why I'm like, dude, I'll talk about fighting. I ain't saying I'm a fighter. I sure shit ain't doing it.

I'm not lying about that. I like the sport. I ain't fighting the sport. I'll tell you that much. We need a David Martin match. I mean, all whoopi-elon Musk's ass. That's easy. I don't, I don't die.

That's like... Dude, that's not really a call-out. That's like, you know, I'm just saying I could... I know I could do that, but that's what I was... I was talking at the lowest level of MMA possible. I'm like, I could win that fight. That's about as high level as I go right there. Yeah, like I said, dude, Logan, Paul, Dylan Danis, they can all fight each other, make money, whatever.

That's what I said, dude, I don't care that I don't care that Anderson and Nate Diaz, these guys are over there making money. Like, good for them. Like, you know, like, I don't care. It does make me sad that Nate Diaz made more money to fight Jake Paul than he ever made in his UFC career. And it does make me sad that Francis has to go fight Tyson Fury to make it like a little. legit eight-figure payday. That bums me out, but that's like a, that's a financial problem. That's not like a, I hate that it's happening.

It's more of like I hate that our sport doesn't take better care of the athletes. Yeah, which is a whole other conversation, right, for maybe another show or something, right? Like it's, you know, that's just kind of is what it is. And yeah, yeah, I'll leave it at that. All right. Well, we'll, we'll be back next week. We'll have plenty more to talk about. next week we're rolling into UFC 293.

Gotta be honest, Matt, not the strongest card in the world. I don't know if you've seen this card, but it's not great. Obviously the champ, Israel-Adisanya fighting Sean Strickland, that's the headliner in Israel. Anytime Israel fights, it's a big deal. I interviewed Israel a couple days ago. I saw that interview pop up today, but I interviewed Israel a couple days ago. Good interview.

I don't get to talk to Israel. Israel doesn't do a lot of media, so like the rare opportunity to talk to him is always cool. So it was good interview. I talked about 10-15 minutes, so it's up on MMA fighting right now. You can listen to it over there on the podcast. It's up on the website right now, so check it out. But yeah, that's next week. So we'll do a UFC

293 next week. A little UFC 293 preview next week. And can I talk about the fall off? What's the rest of that car, Damon? Taitui Vasa is fighting on Alexander Volkov. Okay. And then...

That could be a fun one. That could be a fun one. It could be a fun one. Let's see. We got Menel Cop against a newcomer named Felipe Dos Santos and then Justin Taffa against Austin Lane. They had that fight

a few weeks ago or a month, a couple months ago where you got a thumb to the eye and the fight ended like super quick. So they're rematching. Tyson Pedro is fighting Anton Turgosh. I can't remember how he pronounced his last name. Turgashi, Turgas.

They're fighting. Carlos Oberg is fighting. He's a fun guy to watch. Jung Daun is a good fight. That's a fun one. Jack Jenkins and Chepe Mariscall, that's a fun one. But again, like, name value, like, they had, Manel Cobb was fighting Cai Car, France. That was a great fight, but then Cairo, France got a concussion.

He dropped out. So, like, that kind of bummed me out. Because him and Menel Cobb would have been a great fight. Yeah, yeah, not a lot of names on that card, but I'll tell you what, I used to train with Chepet back in the day. And, yeah, I love that dude, man. He is a savage. He was part of team elevation back.

in the day coming in Trent T.J. and Corey saying, hey, you know, those guys, he's a fucking savage, man. So I love what's that. I do fight. I don't know if you remember his, I think it's his debut, not too long ago. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm actually, I'm actually interviewing him tomorrow, funny enough. I'm talking to him tomorrow. He's good. I talked to him after his last play, man. The dude's a scrapper. Yeah, definitely tell him, I said, what's up, man? He's such a great guy, man. It's such a great fighter. I thought he'd be in the UFC long before now.

I'm glad he finally got a shot, and I know he's going to put on some real. wars man that dude is an absolute scrapper yeah and i think like the downside of this card is that we're not getting israel and drakis duplicy like that was the fight you know what i mean i i have nothing against sean strickland but like he's getting this fight by default like he's not getting it because like everyone was like shouting to the heavens we need to see israel versus sean strickland they're getting it because dracus was injured and couldn't fight yeah it was kind of sucks but yeah that'd be next for otisani right assuming that he beat shot on Strickland, who, you know, from all angles that I'm seeing,

right, is a great matchup for him. So you got to think he's going to win this fight and he's going to go out. He's going to fight Dreykis next. And that's going to be exciting buildup and an exciting fight, I think. Maybe. Maybe. Don't forget October, we got Homzai fighting Paulo Cost. If Hamzat wins that fight, I would not be shocked in the least if he leapfrogged over

Dracus. Just saying, throwing that out there is a mess. ability. Okay. Yeah, it makes sense. Where's coast to rank now? He's still in, like, the top five, six. I'm not sure where exactly. We're right around that top five, six area. So he's still there. I mean, he's still ranked. I mean, the only guys he lost to were Rockhold and Vittori and Vittori. Or, uh, rockhold. He lost to Adasanya and Vittori.

And Vittori was the light heavyweight fight when you missed weight badly that one time. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, he's still ranked right there. So that's what Israel said that to me when ask him about that fight. I said, uh, how do you, how do you see that one going down? And he's like, I'm rooting for Hamza because I want some new blood. Like I need some new competition, but he's like, I made it look easy against Paulo Costa, but don't be fooled. That's a hard fight. Like, Paulo Costa is a hard fight for anybody. So don't think you're just going to go out there and run through him. He's like, I made it look easy. It doesn't mean anybody else is going to do the same thing. So,

yeah. No, that's a good call. That's a great matchup. What happened with Drake is? Foot injury coming out of the Whitaker fight. He just had a foot injury. I mean, to be fair, he fought in July. They wanted him to turn around and fight in September. That's a quick turnaround. I mean, that's a, you know, it's two months. like he got a foot injury and he couldn't train and so yeah it is what it is i agree drakis is next but i'm just saying if hamzat goes out there and can demolish paolo costa which again i don't know if he will but if he can just saying don't be shocked don't be shocked not would not be surprised at all

i mean hamzad's got all the hype in the world behind him so that's going to be interesting to see then we are all we are all prisoners of the moment we all what you do that that's what happens every single time. When anyone wins, if another guy fights a week later, we lose track because that guy puts on an impressive performance a week later. We forget about what the guy did the week before. That's for sure. I'm sure we'll do a breakdown of that

fight a car next week, right? Yep. We'll be talking about that one next week. So, yeah, so everyone tune into that. Obviously, we'll be back with UFC 293 next week. Big thank you, as always, everyone that tunes into the show. Matt Brown, what else you got going on? People can find you as always want to give you a chance to plug the people who support. They can support you.

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they're going to stop you, and then you got to sit there and wait. And now I just go right through TSA, no problem. That's a good point. I never even thought about that. Yeah, that's interesting. I never even heard of that before.

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