MMA Fighting - Fighter vs. Writer: Matt Brown Says Give Dustin Poirier Anything He Wants After Win at UFC 299, Calls Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson ‘F****** Garbage’

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

The Fighter vs. The Writer returns with UFC legend Matt Brown and MMA Fighting senior reporter Damon Martin discussing the fallout from the biggest moments of the past few days including Francis Ngannou’s knockout loss to Anthony Joshua as well as everything that unfolded at UFC 299. In just his second professional boxing match, Ngannou took on Joshua in a main event fight from Saudi Arabia but unlike his first fight with Tyson Fury, things did not go nearly as well this time. Joshua ultimately ended Ngannou’s night with a violent knockout in the second round. So following that loss what should Ngannou do next? Does he need to return to MMA or should he stick around for another boxing match? We’ll also discuss Sean O’Malley’s lopsided win over Marlon “Chito” Vera and what that performance said about him and his standing as bantamweight champion. Plus Dustin Poirier pulled off an incredible win over Benoit Saint Denis in a fight where it seemed like the entire world expected him to lose. Afterwards, Poirier hinted at a potential title bout with Islam Makhachev in June but should that actually happen? We’ll also react to the news that Jake Paul is boxing Mike Tyson in a fight scheduled for Cowboy Stadium in Dallas in July. Why is this fight even happening and what do we expect to take place when Paul clashes with the 58-year-old former heavyweight champion? All this and more on the latest episode of The Fighter vs. The Writer!  Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Audible. Welcome back to the fighter versus the writer. I am Damon Martin. He is UFC legend Matt Brown and Matt. We are now in a post-UFC 299 world. We are in a post Francis Inganu getting laid out by Anthony Joshua World. We are in a

a world now where Jake Paul is fighting Mike Tyson on Netflix. What a weekend we had. Man, you know, other than Jake Paul, Mike Tyson, I said, like, dude, the truth came out this weekend. That's what I felt like. It was like the theme of the whole weekend. You know what I mean? With like, like Dustin Porre, he's still the fucking man, right?

Sean O'Malley really is that guy. He's that fucking good. And Gano is not a boxer, a world championship level boxer. right like I feel like that was kind of the call of the weekend is the way I felt yeah you're pretty you're pretty dead on there let's start with Inganu because that was obviously Friday and then we'll move into 299 in the second we both talked about and I picked I you know I'm not going back of what I said I picked Joshua to win the fight I said you know every every fiber of my being tells me he's going to win this fight but I said you know ingano doing what he did to Fury makes me at least question it a little bit boy was I wrong about that one because it didn't look like a fight Anthony Joshua knocked him down in the first, knocked him down again in the second, and then one of the nastiest knockouts I've seen in boxing since I think maybe Marquez

knocked out Pacquiao in their third or fourth fight or whatever it was. Like that was one of the nastiest knockouts I've ever seen. Yeah, that was Packayas' fourth bite of Marquez. But the, you know, the problem here was that also, you know, we still, in my opinion, and this might be a little, I'm sure people would argue,

a lot of controversy in this. Like, we still don't really know how good and Gano is. Because in my opinion, Joshua is just that good. Right? He's had some bad performances, and he's had some issues in there at different times where people talk shit.

It looked to me, and I mean, he's looked really good in his last few fights. He hasn't been fighting world beaters, but he has looked the way we expected him to look years ago. I think he's focused and he's on point. He took this fight very serious. I also don't buy into the argument that Fury didn't take the fight serious.

I think in God, it was better, better than, you know, than he showed against Joshua last weekend. But Joshua is just that good right now. And I think it's going to be interesting to watch Joshua come, you know, in the next couple years, you know, whether maybe he gets a fight with Fury or Ushik or something. I think he's got a decent chance there. And I would have said this before, too. But we were always scared about his chin, you know, him taking shots bad. And we didn't get to see that. Yeah, like, I hate the revisionist history that because Ngano got knocked out,

suddenly his fight with Fury doesn't matter. I don't care of Tyson Fury trained for one day or he trained for 10 hours a day every day. That's still Tyson. I said Tysonville off the couch should be able to do better than that against Francis of Gano. So you can't sit there and tell me that it's just because, like what Day and said it looked like Tyson Fury 8 Tyson Fury. It's funny line. But the reality is like that guy with his skill level should still be able to box up a novice oh and oh guy who's never done boxing before. Yes, I know MMA, but it's not boxing. So don't try to take away in Ghanu's performance

against that just because he got absolutely demolished by Anthony Joshua. Now, the problem is he is now O and 2. He got beat by Fury. Okay, that's a controversial one. We could argue about that one, but then he absolutely got out classed by Joshua. There's no question. It lasted less than two rounds, and he got knocked out badly in that fight. Is the Francis and Ganu boxing experiment over? Like, do you think, like, at this point, he needs to, like, he's been pretty honest and said, like, I still want to come back.

I'm still going to do boxing. Anthony Joshua encouraged him to do it. A lot of people are saying, well, you're not going to get the Fury thing because Fury is going to fight Usik and they have an automatic rematch clause no matter who wins. So that's probably going to take them up for the rest of this year. So they're like, what about Deonti Wilder? And I think Deonti Wilder has never been a great boxer. We saw that into Joseph Parker finally.

He's not a great boxer, but he still has that what we always call the nuclear option. I don't know if that's the guy coming off a knockout to Anthony Joshua, whether you want to go in there and just trade hands and see who lands first against Deonti Wilder. So I'm like, I think at this point, I don't want to say it's over and I don't want to crush the guy's dreams, but he's 37. He's got a big bag of money waiting for him in the PFL, a lot less. risk in PFL. Don't get me wrong. There's risk in every fight, but there's less

risk. Go back to MMA. Like you did the boxing thing. I'm happy. You lived out your dream. I'm cool with it. But let's just get back to MMA where we know you're great. Yeah, it kind of depends on, I mean, the nice thing for Ingana right now is the world is his.

What does he want to do? You know, what makes him happy? What's going to get him out of bed, training hard in the morning? You know, obviously like he's got the money now. He's set for life. His kids are set for life if he has kids i don't think he even has kids but no kids he if he has kids his grandkids you know what i'm saying like he's got generational wealth at this point um you know it's got to be you know what gets him out of bed in the morning what gets him excited what gets his you know what's going to send a chill

down his spine to get him to want to come and do some hard work and and and you know really excel and something and if that's boxing then he should stick with boxing if it's an mMA then he should do MMA. I think that's what it really comes down to because, you know, he's pretty much set a solid legacy now. He's changed a lot of perceptions in this sport, especially had he not fought Joshua last weekend, right? It would change a lot more, but, you know, it's pretty fucking badass what he's done. And, you know, he could stop right now and not do nothing. And I think we'd all, you know, still bow down to him and, you know, have a lot of respect for him. Or he could, you know, he's got to just do what makes him happy, I think.

You know, not, let's not try to prove anything to anyone. Don't go calling out Wilder. Even though I don't think Wilder's a bad matchup, you know, if he was going to stay with boxing, it doesn't make more sense to you, Damon, that he would do like a tune-up fight like, like boxers do, right? Like, fight the eight or ten guy or something, you know, someone with the, maybe a decent name like a maybe a joseph parker or uh you know which is still a dangerous guys out there or wall in or um you know there there's some good matchups out there for him too like uh what's the

guy's name that joshua beat up the white guy spirka or spirka or something like that you know there's guys like that out there that you know he could still sell some tickets and actually learn how to box a little bit learn how to compete in a boxing match it's not that he doesn't know how to box And I think that's the difference in which I've been preaching over and over about, you know, talking about this whole Joshua thing. It's not that like he's not a good boxer. It's not that he doesn't know how to box. He doesn't know how to compete in boxing. And that takes years to learn with three-minute rounds and 12, three-minute rounds.

And it's just a different experience, a square versus a cage and, you know, ropes versus a fence and different rules. You know, there's just, you know, bigger gloves. you're wearing a shoot like so, so many little things. It's so weird to say this, but I think doing as well as he did against Tyson Fury almost worked against him. Because if you saw him come out in this fight, he had a lot more confidence.

He switched stances, which was like, he switched to South Pole like right away. And I'm like, why are you doing, like, he was doing veteran moves that he's not that much of a veteran at, you know what I mean? And so when he got knocked down that first time, but just a straight jab, like it wasn't, It wasn't like he, you know, he just got caught by a jab, and you mentioned how good Joshua's jab has been.

And I'm not a boxing expert. I'm certainly not. I'm going to sit here and say that I'm a boxing expert. I'm not a boxing journalist. But I know enough about the sport to know that what caught in Ghanu on Friday night was not the highest level boxing that you'd ever seen. It was a pretty simple formula for Joshua. He had with three right hands. And they were all pretty much right in the same area, like two straights and one kind of overhand.

And the third one that knocked him out was he was kind of already wobbled on his feet. And Joshua just laid him out at that point. Like that was almost like, you know, it's like you, it's like he shot the deer with a bow. And it was like not quite dead yet. You know, you had to put it out of its misery. Like that's kind of what he did. And his gun, it was out on his feet. And he just blasted with that right hand and put him down.

But, yeah, it was wonderful. Like it backfired because like everyone was talking him up. Man, you almost beat Tyson Fury. You did beat Tyson Fury. You got screwed on the decision. You knocked him down. Oh, my God. What a performance.

And then he comes out, he had a little bit more swaggered and a step with more confidence. And Anthony Joshua knocked that shit right out of him. Yeah, yeah. You know, speaking, you know, I have heard a lot of people say that. I was reading on social media and Twitter and stuff. You know, like, dude, he can't even block like a basic straight ride or something. But when you're talking about boxing, you're talking about there's not that many weapons at all anyway. And the most simple basic thing that we call most simple and basic is still the highest level thing there is.

And that's why, again, competing in boxing, that's what I mean by that. Like he's only competed in two boxing matches down. Really one. Yeah, one doesn't even really count. All that sparring that you've done in boxing only counts a little bit in terms of the range. the distance. Joshua has done that hundreds of times. He did it in the Olympics and the amateurs.

He did it and, you know, how many pro bouts does he have now? He's got a decent, like he's done this so many times. So that's shit that we call simple and basic. You know, he's just done that simple basic thing thousands of times in a ring. Yeah. It's like the, I mean, listen, I understand, like making the transition from MMA to boxing is easier than making it from boxing them.

We all understand. I don't think, I think even boxers would agree with that. Like, it's not, because MMA fighters do train boxing, right? But-

Boxes would agree with it more. Most of them are pretty clueless. Like, there are almost, there's a lot of boxers that are about as clueless as the guy at the bar. This is, I just see Red. Yeah,

yeah. But like, but like, there's, there is an art form to it. Like, you know what I mean, there is learning to do it and doing it and do it,

boxing for MMA is different than boxing, straight up boxing the way you stand, the way you throw your punches, the angles, all that kind of stuff's different. And so, yeah, I mean, listen, I want Ingani to live his dreams. If he really wants to stick around in boxing and do another fight and fight Deonté Wilder and get paid another big bag of money, good for him. Deontes's coming off a lawsuit. Deontes kind at that point now. He's like 38. You know, he's not, you know, he's not, I mean, we know who Deonté Wilder is and I think we saw that in the Parker fight.

Like, Joshua, or Joseph Parker has kind of always been a little bit of a, I'm a. I'm not going to say journeyman, just like a mid-level guy. Like, again, there's nothing wrong. I said this the other day on the podcast. There's nothing wrong being the number six guy in a division. Like, that's not a bad, that's not a, it's not a, I know a lot of people take it as an insult. It's not because if there's a thousand boxers and you're the number six guy out of all those guys, that's not terrible. But I don't think Joseph Parker until recently had anyone said, man, this guy is like, you know, top of the world.

And then, you know, I mean, credit, he did Big Zhang on Friday night too, which how that guy gets. two knockdowns and still loses the decisions beyond me. But yeah, like, I just, if he wants to stick around and do it good for him, I do kind of hope he goes back to M.MA because, like, that's where we know he's good. Although I will say, like, is he going to get as excited to fight Heenan Ferreira as he would Deonté Wilder? I mean, no offense to Heena Ferreira, but, like, you know, which one are you going to get more?

Like, I'm going to get paid $20 million to fight Deonti Wilder and get excited, or I'm going to get paid $10 million to fight Heenan and don't really care. Like, it's Hane and for air. Like, it's not a fight that gets me up. It's not John Jones. It's not Stipe. It's not Tom Aspenall. I mean, maybe boxing's a better choice.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. It's a, I said, I just hope he, you know, he doesn't really listen to everybody else's advice. And he just does what he loves, man. You know, he's at that point where, like you said, 38 years old now, 37, 38. 37, yeah. Yeah, look, he's got to live his life. You know, enjoy yourself, bro.

you know he's got enough money now he's cool so you know good for him he's done what nobody else has been able to do except connor um except you know he actually almost beat fury you know he was almost a heavyweight champion of the world so you know let's just do what makes you happy now at this point in my opinion i know it's hard to say this after watching him get knocked out and it was a bad knockout but francis and gone who's already won like that dude's playing with house money at this point like he already won at life like how how do i feel bad from getting knocked out, of course. I don't want to see you when to get knocked out like that. Like, that's a vicious knockout. And I'm sure

health-wise, you got to be concerned because, you know, knockouts can, we talked about that on the show before, you know, when you talked about your knockout versus concussion thing. When we're talking about Volcanowski, like, who knows? Maybe, you know, I hope he's fine. I hope nothing adverse came to that knockout. But in terms of like his career, in terms of where he's at, dude, this guy already won. Like, he already won 10 times over with the money he's made, living out his dream of going to boxing when he couldn't do that in the UFC. Again, he's a winner.

Every way, shape, and form, whatever he does next is up to me. Personally, I'd like to see him come back to MMA, but if he wants to stick around in boxing and fight Deonti Wilder or maybe, you know, wait for Fury, how can you really not give him his due? Like, he's earned that. He can do whatever he wants. Yeah, how much, or how excited actually are you seeing him, come back to MMA and fight Hennon-Ferrera.

Not really at all, so, yeah, I mean. You say, you know, you say like, hey, I'm excited. I'd be more excited if he came back to M.M.A. I'd be against Henn-Ferrera, again, I think Hennon Fere is a good fighter. I think he could probably give in Gano a good match. But, you know, it's not a name. You know, he could be the greatest fighter in the world.

Without that name value, it's not going to excite any of us. Yeah, if he was coming back to fight John Jones, to be a different story, but we know that's not happening. And that's the downside of the heavyweight division. Like, it's a paper thin division. And when nine out of the 10 top fighters in the world are in the UFC and the one guy who's not as Francis and Gano, it's a problem because you don't really have any competition there.

So, yeah, but again, like I said, whatever he chooses to do, I'm happy for him. If he goes back to him and made good for him, if he stakes in boxing, good for him. I feel bad he got knocked out. And, you know, that was a rough one. But, you know, that's the sport. That's combat sports, man. ever know. Like I said, I mean, we've seen a lot of guys getting knocked out who you would never imagine getting knocked out, and that's just part of the sport. So, you know, again, whatever he's doing,

man, he's already a winner at life. So I think that's the best way to put it, man. He's won in life. He got it done. It's been a great legacy. Almost became the heavyweight boxing champion of the world. In a lot of opinions, he did, right? But here we are. So good for him, man. Yeah. Now, you said some at the top of the show that I'm going to disagree with you about. We talked about $2.99. You said this is the truth came out. The truth came out and you said, Sean O'Malley is that dude. But disagree with

a little bit right there, Matt Brown. Here's why I'm saying that. He obviously went out there and beat the brakes off Cheetos Vera. It was an incredibly impressed performance in that regard. It was he just boxed him up and beat him up. How he didn't get a knockout in the second round with that knee up to middle when he literally sounded like a baseball bat got smacked

across Cheetah Verra's face. I don't know how that. That is like, we don't know that chis. Good, Christ Almighty how that is the best chin ever to take a shot like that and keep going. But here's why I say I'm not as impressed. And it's not because it wasn't an impressive performance. It was. But it's nothing I didn't necessarily expect going into it.

You know, Cheeto is a good fighter. And I said that's, I think that's the guy referenced on the last podcast when I said the number six guy in the world. There's nothing wrong with being the number six guy in the world. But when you watch a title fight, you expect to see the two best guys in that weight class fight. I don't think anyone is going to mistake Cheetah Vera as one of the two best band to weights in the world. Maybe not the top five best best bands in the world. And I think that's where I'm saying like it was impressive.

But I don't know that I learned that much more about Sean O'Malley than I didn't already know. I learned more in the Al Jemaine Sterling fight. But that one I was like, yeah, I expected him to win. And I think the thing I was most impressed with was the fact that Cheeto somehow survived. Right, right. You're not actually disagree with me there. Maybe you're trying to, but you're not. I'm just saying that was the truth.

He is that he's going to beat Cheeto Vera, you know, 99 out of 100 times, you know, as long as his ankle holds up, right? Like, he's that guy, you know, to beat him. I'm still picking Marab to beat him. I mean, God, Maraub is just to kill her, man. Like, you know, his wrestling is just insane. So I hope that fight happens, you know. it sounded like it sounded like Sean's willing to take it.

I know he was calling out Ilya Teporia, you know, wanting to do that, which I think would be an awesome fight, to be honest. I'm not huge on these go up and wait straight away, you know, like after you defend it five, six, seven times, okay, I get it. I'm more, I love that kind of stuff, right? With GSP, Anderson Silva, John Jones, defending your belt over and over and showing that you're the best. And I think it, I don't know, to me,

like that earns more respect. Like if you go up double champ, I think it gets you more famous, right? Like more people are going to talk about it. And, you know, he's a double champ. It's going to say all these things. But if you defend your belt seven, eight, nine times, at least in my weird little world that I live in,

like I'm going to respect that even more. Oh, I agree with you 110%. I said on Twitter a couple weeks ago, I said I think there should be a minimum five title defenses before you can even contemplate moving up. of division because if you defended the title five times you've kind of settled yourself into like a solid role as champion right like you are a defending you've cleared out a lot of the contenders because people were arguing me saying all five's two minutes should be three and I was like do you

real like I said this and it's not his fault but I said do you realize islamukacho has been champion he has two title defenses and he has yet to be an actual lightweight his two title defenses are against wokenowski like wouldn't you like to see him fight you know surukian or or one of these guys. So I get it. And I think I'm with you when you talk about it's more about the fame than it is about the accomplishment now.

Like I, I'm, Elia Tuporia is a killer. He's a very, very good fighter. But we haven't, he hasn't even defended his title once. So is it going to mean more to beat him or to beat the guy in Marab in your own division who's on a 10-fight winning streak?

He's absolutely mauling everybody and he is clearly the number one contender. Like, I understand Tuporia might be quote-unquote a big, fight because it's champ versus champ and all that kind of stuff but like to me if you're going to go up a division and try to become champion and I know Connor kind of ruined this because he beat aldo which was a massive win and then it goes right up and fights Eddie Alvarez or that was after the NADS fights he wouldn't have fought Eddie Alvarez but when I've fought Eddie Alvarez to beat Eddie

and Eddie's a good fighter Eddie's a legend but I don't think anyone's going to mistake Eddie is like one of the greatest lightweights of all time very good fighter don't get me wrong but like he wasn't that guy. But imagine if George St. Pierre at the time had gone up and beat Anderson Silver. That would have meant so much more because Anderson was like a huge long-reaning champion. Nobody could touch him. Imagine

if Anderson had gone up and beaten John Jones. You know, that would have meant more. When Israel... You know, you're also talking about guys, like even, okay, let's say GSP had one defense and then

went up and fight Anderson. them already had eight or nine or whatever. I don't know the exact timeline, but just hypothetically, you know, that's very different than Sean O'Malley with one title defense going up and fighting Ilya in his first title defense. Yeah. Right. Like two guys that are rookies at being champion.

You know what I mean? Yeah, it just, like I said, to me, the champ versus champ thing is supposed to be special, you know? Yeah. And it's not special when it's that. Like, would it be a big fight what I watch? Sure, but I'm way more interested in seeing O'Malley against Marab. I want to see how he deals with that pressure, with that pace, with that wrestling, with that conditioning.

You know, I mean, Marab is not going to stand in front of Sean O'Malley and duke it out with him for five rounds like Cheetah Vera. I mean, Chita Vera is a striker. That's what he does, and he's just not as good a striker as Sean O'Malley. It's like a truck, very durable guy. We know that. But, like, I don't think anyone's going to mistake Cheetah Vera as being the highest. level striker in that division. I think Corey Sanhagan is a better example.

I think Corey and Sean O'Malley would be a great fight. I think Sean O'Malley and Morab. These are the fights I want to see. I want to see him against, if he keeps winning, I want to see him against Umar. Like, Umar and Arragamette is coming up. Like, I want to see those. And then Ilya, you know,

Ilya's going to rematch Volcanowski. We have to kind of imagine that's going to happen. I don't know that he'll win, but man, I have to watch what Brian Ortega did to Yaya Rodriguez a couple weeks ago. Like, I'm not crying if he gets a net title contention and talk again. And you got Mosaouyev, freaking wrestling monster out there who's an incredible guy. Like, you know, he's not going to just stand in front of Ilya Tupori and trade strikes. Like, I wouldn't mind seeing him in there as well.

So, like, let's let these guys establish themselves as champions, defend it three or four times. And then let's revisit this conversation. Because right now, what would it really mean? Like, yeah, okay, let's just say he wins. Great, you won two championships. Is that as good as being a five-time defending champion? and what I believe is the deepest weight class of the sport right now. Bantuway?

I think Bantuway has become the best division in MMA. Like, that means more to me. But I don't know. I just, I get it. I understand the fame and the hype and all that. But yeah, fight Marab. That's the one everyone wants to see. And the problem is that it makes so much sense for both of those guys,

Ilya and Sean O'Malley to do it. Right? If you're Ilya Teporia, you're a striker, and you're going to have a striker come up. and that's smaller than you. And, you know, I'llie is more of a knockout guy, right? Like, Sean's probably, you know,

he's not really a knockout guy so much. He's certainly got some knockouts, but he's a sniper, right? Yeah. And I really is more of a knockout guy. It's like, yeah, you know, bring an undersized guy up to my weight class. That's a huge star.

That's a huge social media star. It's going to be a gigantic fight if it happens, right? It only, it makes sense for him. Makes sense for Sean O'Malley. Okay, obviously like, okay, now I don't have to fight Mara. Marab, now I get to move up and, you know, at least have a chance, you know, against the striker, you know, if he believes he's the better striker, right, he's going to go up against the

striker, not have to cut weight, you know, get potential double champ status. Like, it makes so much sense for both of them that it makes it hard, right, to, excuse me, sorry, I'm to keep burping. If you, you know, if you're, you know, the UFC or a purist like us, Like, we don't want to see it. We want it to be pure, right? We want both them to defend their titles. And maybe, hopefully they both defend it five times.

And then we see them, you know, two or three years from now. But as in terms of both of them buying for that fight, it makes a thousand percent sense for both of them to do that. Yeah. I think the realization, though, is I think most people kind of see through it. Like, I don't think people are screaming for it. You know what I mean? Like even Sean said before the fight, he's like he was calling it, Ilya. And then, like, everyone else was like, you got to fight Marab.

And he's like, well, I guess kind of people want me to fight Marab. And he's openly said he would fight Marab. He's openly said, like, he'll take that fight. He's not turning it down or trying to say, you know, run away from Marab. But I think the public is kind of on that, too. Like, they're like, all right, like, we get it. I understand why you want it. But, like, fight Marab.

You know, fight the dude who's absolutely earned his shot, who probably should have. I mean, after watching what I watched on Saturday night, was there any doubt that Marab would have done better than that? I mean, sorry, Cheeto, but, like, you know, I'd commit. men the hell out of you for sticking in there but dude like you were you just you just took you just got your face broken your body beaten up and you probably lost like three years off your life for that fight because that was that was pretty bad uh i would hope marab would do better than that and i assume he will so yeah fight marab i get it i'm with you you're right like for both those guys like emmally loses and he's like well i lost the bigger stronger featherweight great i still got

my bansomweight title and as you said what's more dangerous fighting a motivated pissed off Volcanowski or fighting a guy who's 135 pounder who doesn't really have knockout power like that in your division yeah bring me that guy and he's a superstar so yeah I get it but yeah I don't have like would it be a fun fight potentially

but do I care I don't care at all about that fight like I have no interest in really seeing that fight personally yeah I would be interested in that fight but I also think think that Marab should be fighting Sean O'Malley. He a thousand percent deserves it. I think Volcanopsis should get the rematch and fight I'llie again. And I think this fight hopefully, you know, happens at some point down the road, but I don't think it will. I think, you know, Marab's going to beat Sean O'Malley. I've been singing praise for Marab for a long time now and,

you know, and he's done nothing but prove me right so far. So I think, you know, I think it's going to be a tough road for anybody in front of him for a long time. And, you know, Volcanovsky, he's definitely that guy or Ortega. You know, those guys are tough matchups. And I personally haven't seen I just coincidentally have missed a lot of his fights, you know, have other things to do that night or whatever. So I can't really speak. But you know that Volcanovsky and Ortega are absolute tough fights. I don't care how good you are. You know, at that level, there's so little different differences between number one and two and three. And, you know, so he's going to have to stay right on point firing on all eight cylinders

to be either one of those guys. 100%. 100%. Yeah, and I want to see, like I said, I want to see those fights. I want to see, you know, Volcanowski deserves his rematch because he was a long-reigning champion. He was a guy. And I think if Morab becomes champion, not to say he can't be a star because I think he

is getting that kind of attention out a little bit. But now that Al Jermaine's a featherweight, you know, I think Marab's going to stick a band to wait. fight all the guys. Like he would fight O'Malley. He would fight Corey. He would fight Umar. I think Marab has kind of like his head screwed on where he wants to be like a long-reigning

Bantamweight champion, you know? So I'll tell you what would be an exciting fight is if Marab and Volk both win, maybe go on low win streaks and then Marab comes up. You never know. Depends on Aljimine does. Aljurman's got a fight against Calvin

Kater at UFC 300. If he wins that when he jumps right in the mix too, and Aljurman obviously, you know, former champion, big kid. I think it'll be interesting to see what he could do a federal weight. So, yeah, a lot of interesting stuff. It would be an interesting fight against Volcanovsky also. But Marab, I mean, I think he's an interesting fight against just about everybody. But particularly against like a Volcanovsky type guy who's so slick.

And, you know, when we've seen him fight Islam, he kept it close the whole time. You know, he was his step behind the whole time, but kept it real close. And it's like, you know, I don't know. I think it'd be an interesting fight. Yeah, it could be. Boarding for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time.

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Speaking of more interesting fights at 299 Dustin Let me just let me just go and say the name right now And forgive my language Dustin fucking Porre Holy shit man What a war that was Benoit Saint Denis came to battle

and Dustin put him out with a vicious right hand. And if I remember correctly, did I pick Dustin Porre on the podcast and you picked Binwasse, did he? Did I remember that correctly, Matt Brown? Did I remember that correctly? Got it, buddy. Get one every now and then. Yeah, I get, I get, I get him right every now and again.

About every five years or so. It was out of McGregor, six. That was like nine years. It feels like nine years ago at this one. it is nine years ago it's 2015 i think it was 2015 and that might happen god we're fucking old i know i have a great call on that man and you know once they started battling i mean it was about i don't know 10 seconds in i was like i think i called this wrong and even though like say denise was doing well too right i mean they

were fucking going at it like you said they fucking went at it but i was like this is the kind I think I said it about 20, 30 seconds in the fight. This is the kind of fight that Dustin Poiré wins every time. Like you can't fight him like that. You have to be tactical and skillful. Like you cannot just make it a brawl, bro. Yeah, Dustin, like the only guy who can do that with Dustin is Justin Gagey. That's it.

Like, no one else can do it. Like, I love Michael Chandler. Even he can't do that. He tried to do it and did well and then he still got caught. To be fair, the time that Dustin beat Gagey, it was more of a brawl than when Gagey beat him, right? That's true. That's absolutely true.

Yeah, that's absolutely true. Yeah, but it was, and again, like, Benoit Saint-Deney didn't really lose any stock because he brought it to him, man. That was a freaking battle for as long as it lasted. That dude has nothing to be ashamed about. But, man, it's just so funny. Like, everyone was kind of like, I mean,

Dustin was a pretty sizable underdog, and everyone was kind of crowning Benoit Saint-Denie's, like, the next guy. This is his crowd. This is the moment when he achieves this. that and boy did dustapore silence all the doubters and say hold on now I'm still here like hold on let's just wait a minute and uh oh boy what a knockout

that was yeah he looked great too man he looked great shape looked motivated and that was kind of my argument was I was thinking like he's probably just not as motivated I did just an assumption you know and that's why I picked St. Denise I was just assuming

but I thought he looked great like I said you just can't find him that way you got to fight him a certain way. And if you're going to go and try to brawl with him, like you said, the best brawlers, probably some of the best brawlers in the UFC, like Chandler and Gagie and, like, they learn different. It doesn't work. Yeah, it does not work very well with Dustin Pori, man.

And he, like I said, dude, good for him, man. I was so happy for him. Dustin's a really, like, Dustin's one of those guys, like, legitimately good dudes. You know what I mean? Like, not that it matters. I understand. Like, it's a sport. Like, you know, I don't have to, like, I think Sean,

Strickland's a lunatic and I don't agree with about 95% of what he says, but I can still agree he's a good fighter. But Dustin Pore is like a legitimately good dude. And like it's always, you know, it's always nice to see a good guy like that just kind of come out on top. Now, here's the question, Matt, because afterwards, you know, he said, he said that he wants Islam in June. And June it, because I know Ali, Islam's manager kind of said that to him before the fight. Kind of like, what about June, Islam? And Islam kind of seems into it as well. fight week, you know, maybe in June. Obviously, we know we got Gachi and Max fighting at 300.

We got Armin and Charles fighting at 300, but that's April. That would be a pretty quick turnaround to fight in June, April 13 to June 29th for International Fight Week. What about Dustin getting in there with Islam? What do you think about that? Yeah, why not? You know, give him a shot. So.

Yeah, that's all I got to say about. Why not? Let's go. Dustin deserves everything, bro. Anything he wants, he should get. usually in this situation I'll be honest I was already a little pissed

that the UFC said Armand and Charles was the number one contender fight because Justin knocked out Dustin Pori and they said you're getting it because that's after he beat Fiziv they're like okay you're getting a title shot now it sucks on timing that that Olavera got the cut and he couldn't fight Islam last October end up being

Vulcanosity certainly not Justin's fault I thought Justin was going to to slide right in and just get the title shot against Islam, but then they announced him and Max the 300. In any other world right now, I'd be like, you know what, man, it's not fair to, it's not even fair to Charles and Armin, because that's a great fight too. But really, would anyone actually complain if Dustin Porrier got a title shot in June? Would anyone really complain that much?

Because I know I wouldn't. Yeah, you can't complain anytime Dustin Porre gets a title shot. Like I said, he's the man, he deserves anything. They give them, you know, anything good. Any shot, just give it to him. It's fucking dusty poor, man. I mean, has he ever put on a bad fight? I mean, you know, he's been beat, right?

Which, you know, if you don't call that a bad fight, you call that bad fight. But, you know, he goes out there and goes to war every time and does his thing, does it with respect and honor and, you know, carries himself well, speaks well. Just a fucking great guy. I want to see nothing with good things in the world. or Dustin poor A for the rest of his life. Give him the fucking title shot. Let's go. Even though you didn't pick him, Matt Brown,

even though you did pick against him in that fight, you were the guy after he lost to gauge you when he was kind of like, maybe I'll walk away, maybe I'll be done. And you were the guy who said, no, no, no, don't walk away. You got a fight left in you. Like, I see that in you. You were encouraging Dustin to stick around.

And sure enough, he did and what we saw last weekend. But yeah, like, really, is anyone actually, like, I understand I would feel bad for Justin or Armin or Charles Howard plays out. But come on now. Like, Dustin's just like that dude. Like, I think in the back of their minds, they'd probably be like, yeah, it sucks, but good for Dustin. And you know what?

Do I, I don't know that I favor anyone to beat Islam Akachev right now. Like, outside of Khabib, getting back in shape and deciding he wants to be champion again and fighting his brother, which we all know is never going to happen. I don't know that I'd pick anyone to beat Islam right now just because of how good he is and how on top of his game he is. But Dustin Pore is that kind of guy who will give you a fight. He will bring the dog out on you and he will make it a fight. Now, will he win?

I don't know. He didn't be Khabib. And I think Khabib is, at least on paper, was a slightly superior version of Islam. Now, Islam's striking has gotten pretty nasty lately to where maybe he's getting even beyond that. But, and, and Dustin, you know, he pulled the gilly. He loved to pull the gillie. He tried to pull the gillie on Kaviv, and it didn't work out and he ended up getting beaten that fight. would I favor Dustin to win?

No. But do I know Dustin would make it a fight? Do I know Dustin would go in there and make it a war for however long it lasted? Sure. So yeah, dude, if they want to give him the title shot, dude, give him the title shot. I got no problem with that. And do I think he would beat Islam in my head right now? I'd say no.

But does he have a chance? It's Dustin fucking poor. Of course he has a chance. Yeah, and I think the one thing we've got to be careful too is like emotionally, yeah. like I think, you know, we would all be, nobody would complain if Dustin Porte against the title shot. But we got to remember, like,

Justin Gage, just knocked them out in this last fight. Yeah. Right? We can't forget that. Yeah. You know, if he gets it over Justin Gagee, I think that's a problem. Yeah, and the only reason,

the only reason I say it's a problem is if Justin goes out there and beats Holloway, then it's kind of hard to do that at that point. You know what I mean? I forgot they're fighting Yeah, even better yet Yeah, but again But again, I think it all depends on timing

Because if Holloway and Gachie have a Frickin five round just bloody battle I don't think either one of them would be ready To turn around and fight in June, you know what I mean? So Yeah, so yeah, I agree Justin Like I said, I feel for Justin Because I think Justin should have just gotten

The title shot but because of timing and injuries And the way cards are playing out He ended up getting Max Holloway Here's what the UFC should do the UFC wants to save the argument so you don't have to deal with this. They need to announce Islam versus Dustin before 300. That way they can't say, well, Charles won or Armin one or Justin won. Well, we already booked the title fight.

So, you know, like we're going with what was already booked. That's the way they get around it. They go and book it now. So that way, when 300, then they can say, oh, whoever looks better out of those two fights will get the winner of Dustin and Islam. You know, do it that way. Don't, don't let it. Don't wait until after 300 to announce it. You wait until after 300, then you're screwing yourself because then everyone's going to complain about either Justin or whoever, you know, whoever won that fight.

Announce it in the next two weeks, Dustin Pori against Islam Akins, Islam McAchev, headline in UFC 303 International Fight Week, and then no one can complain because they announced it before anything else happens. Well, it's a good position to be in because there's some real killers in that division. Boy, Islam's got his work cut out for him. Like you said, they're all, you know, Islam's a killer. I wouldn't pick him to lose against anybody, but a murderous role like that, he gets through those guys, no matter how this plays out,

man, he gets four or five tile defenses. Like, what a fucking run, huh? Yeah, dude, it would be incredible. And what, yeah, it'd be insane to go to do that. So, yeah, so, I mean, Dustin Pori, give him whatever he wants. But here, we got to get on this real quick, because I do, before we get out of here,

I do want to mention the Jake Paul Tyson thing, but I want to come back to that in a second. Whenever fight I wanted to mention from 299 was Michael Vennon Page making his debut against Kevin Holland. Now this is your division, Matt, you're well-to-weight your entire career. What'd you think of Michael Vindon-Page's debut?

You know, we said it before him, man. Holland is a tough match-up for anybody. And, you know, it wasn't the most exciting fight, but, you know, he's not an easy guy to beat, especially in your debut. So you got to give MVP as, props where they're due. I think it's going to be interesting to watch him come up through the division or work

his way through the division, however it plays out. I think there are some bad matchups out there for him. I think there's some tough fights for him. I'm not, I didn't see anything where I think he's going to be the next champion, but you got to give props where props are due. You know, beating Kevin Holland is no easy task, and, you know, he got it done. you know, and, you know, he is an eccentric guy. He's a fun guy to watch.

He gets the right matchup and he goes in and he's going to put on a hell of a show. So, you know, I think he's a great addition to the division. I'm not sure it really, you know, it wasn't like so impressive. I'm like, oh, he's going to, you know, work this division or anything. So it was just, he's a cool guy to be in the division, I think. kind of the moral of the story. Yeah, I think it's got to be the right matchups for him. Like, you can't, like,

you watch, like, what, that Jack Delo and Madelena, Gilbert Burns fight? That was a freaking amazing fight. Watching Jack go out there and beat Gilbert Burns, knock him out the way he did, holy crap. And now you want Shavkat? Like, I don't know that Michael Vennon Page is going to do well against the Shavkats and that kind of, you know,

like, now here's one that no one has mentioned, because everyone's talking about Wonderboy. Everyone's on Wonderboy. I understand. What about Michael Venom Page against Ian Gary? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now, that's a matchup I paid O'See.

You know, like, wouldn't that be more fun? I mean, they're both right in the right spots in the division for it too, right? Yeah. Like, wouldn't that be a fun one? Like, you know. What was Ian's last fight? Was it Neil Magne or was it he fought? He fought Jeff Neal.

Remember the Jeff Neal fight? Yeah. They're right in the right spot to make that fight. That's a great call, Damon. I'm with you. Yeah, that would be a fun one, right? I get a little something different. I know he wants Colby, but I don't think Colby's going to fight anybody right now.

I think Colby's going to set out until they either give another title shot or he just retires because Colby doesn't seem to want to fight anybody. Yeah, do it. Venom Page against Gary. I think there'll be a lot of fun. That is the proper matchup. Yeah, I agree. Or even, you know, Jeff Neal.

I mean, I guess he's coming off a win. MVP is, so that's probably not going to happen. dude yeah that is an exciting match because that puts Ian to a real test too a guy that knows how to strike with them yeah not if these other guys don't but you know yeah that's the right matchup in all parts that I can think in my head right now

yeah I think it'll be a fun one so Sean Shelby give me a call I just did your job for you before we get out of here Matt I know I know UFC 299 was the talk of the weekend Francis and Gano but we didn't get to talk about it, so I got to talk about it. What was your reaction when you saw Jake Paul fighting Mike Tyson in July, Cowboys Stadium on Netflix? I woke up to the news, and I was like, am I dreaming right now?

Am I in some sort of fever dream right now? Like, what's going on? Yeah, I don't know. What was your reaction? You tell me first. You go first on that one. So my first reaction was I thought Jake was done with this, kind of like the gimmick fights.

Now, yes, I understand Mike Tyson is a former heavyweight champion, a real boxer, all that I get. But Mike Tyson is going to be 58 years old. Did Mike Tyson look good against Roy Jones Jr. in that exhibition a few years ago? He sure did. Guess what? Roy Jones Jr. also lost Anthony Pettis like a year ago. Like, he's 58. He hasn't looked for a long time.

But he's 58. Roy was one of the times. top 10 greatest in history, and he went straight off a cliff. Yeah. So, like, I just, I don't know, man. Like, I just, like, even with. That, I think that is the, the reaction. Everybody is exactly what you just said.

I don't know, man. Like, am I going to watch this? Like, I know I am. But, like, who's going to fucking pay to go to Cowboys Stadium to watch this? Does anybody care that much? Yeah, like, it's, It's on Netflix, so that's working for him. Like, it's going to be on, like, I already get Netflix,

so I'll be able to watch it. Like, I don't have to pay anything extra for that. But, yeah, like, yeah, but, like, this isn't even, like, when Floyd fought Logan, like, when Floyd fought Logan, Paul, there was a somewhat of a little bit of appeal because, you know, Floyd was still, like, at the very tail in his career. And, and yet the freak show factor, Logan being so much bigger, you know, and that kind of thing.

But, like, Tyson's 58. Like, yeah, I'm like, I like, I like, I like, He said, you know, we're all going to watch it, but like, what do we want out of this? Do we want Mike Tyson to knock out Jake Paul? Yeah. You know, like Jake, obviously, like, he's doing that because he wants to be in that position where everybody wants to see him get knocked out. And that's why they're going to watch.

He wants to be the heel. But it's a 60-year-old man, so he's probably going to be able to pull it out, right? But, like, that's an obvious storyline there. You know what I mean? We know the plot here. We know the narrative, right? You're not, you know, it's not Tyrone Woodley where we're like, we're like, okay, you know, if Jake's a decent boxer, it'll probably win, but it's a fucking great athlete he's going against

that never box, right? Like this, this is just fucking garbage, man. That's all I, like, it's just straight fucking garbage. And as freak show as it is, I'm not against these freak show fights. I'm cool with it, you know, like, it doesn't bother. me. I think it's kind of fun. But this is garbage. Like, I'm not excited about this.

And I know I'm going to fucking watch just like you, just like everybody else. But, yeah. Well, it's garbage. Well, here's my biggest thing. And I, you know, very well in this show, I've defended Jake Paul many, many times. And I'll defend him, you know, good for him getting, I don't care of any boxes and he does whatever he does. Good for him.

He has done good things in the sport. He brings attention. I don't care. None of that bothers me. I'm not like a purist. It's like, oh, he's ruining the sanctity of boxing. Have you watched boxing? That's, the promoters of boxing have done fucked up the sanctity of boxing decades ago.

So don't tell me about that. But I said this a while ago with Jake, and I said, Jake needs to pick his lane. If he wants to be a championship boxer, he needs to stand. If he's serious, and I'm fine with that, he's serious. I'm not saying to beating Ryan Borland and Andre August are going to make you a world champion. but they are guys with boxing experience. The shitty as they may have been, one guy was an Uber driver.

I don't care. They actually had real boxing experience on their records. You're doing what the typical boxer would do. Canelo did it. You know, Terrence Crawford did it. Every major boxer goes to that 10, 15 fights where they're just beating up people, learning their craft, learning how to do things, fighting a salepal, whatever it is you're doing.

That's typical. But then to go backwards in a way, to go back to the freak show fight, like you were getting away from it. I'm going to be a purist, I'm going to be a boxer. Okay. Now you're going back to this. And not only that, you're fighting a boxer, but you're fighting a 58-year-old man who hasn't boxed professionally in 20 years.

He boxed an exhibition against an also old Roy Jones Jr., who is not the same Roy Jones, Jr., that we knew from a decade ago or whatever it was. He hasn't boxed professionally in 20 years. What does that do for you? Like, if you go out there and you humiliate and you knock out Mike Tyson, Are you really going to feel good about that? Like, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, Matt.

I'm not a fighter. I know I'm not a fighter. But if I got into a fight with a fucking 70-year-old dude, I don't care who he was 30 years ago. I'm not going to feel good about myself knocking out a 70-year-old guy. I think that's probably the biggest thing here. It's like it's a lose-lose for him. Obviously, he's going to get a bag.

Right. We're all going to watch it. I'm sure Netflix is paying him good. You know, like, we're all going to watch it. to talk about it he's getting that but it's a lose lose in the actual fight like you can't lose to a 60 year old man and you also can't beat a 60 year old man you know it's a lose lose so like I said it's garbage to me man and I'm all about the side shows I I'd love to see him fight more side shows more fucking you know go fight Mike Perry I think that'd be fucking awesome I think that's who he should

be fighting right get Mike Perry get Mike Perry a bag he's obviously the fucking star and BKFC now. Everybody's talking about him. He would make a great promo guy. I mean, we can name a lot of guys like this, right? That would be perfect matchups, sideshow matchups. A lot of these. Mike Tyson is not it.

Leave the guy alone. I'm surprised Mike even took it. That's what I'm the most surprised about. I don't know what Mike is thinking here. What makes him want to do it? you know, I don't think he's hurting for money. I don't think he's, you know, I don't think he has a huge urge to fight. He talks about it all the time.

He doesn't want to be that guy no more. So it's very odd to me that he's taking the fight. That's the odd part to me. Yeah, it's kind of out of left field, right? Like, it's not like Mike is like after he did the Roy Jones thing. It's not like he's done other exhibitions and stayed busy. And, you know, he just, he did that one. And again, to his credit that night, he surprised a lot of people, myself included.

Like Tyson didn't look nearly as bad as I thought he would, but he didn't look nearly as bad as I thought he would against another guy who was older. Right. You know, I mean, you said it. Roy Jones Jr. fell off a cliff for lack of a better word. That's what he did. He fell off a cliff. And he lost Anthony Pettus a year and a half ago, whatever it was. Like, I just, I, as you said, it's a loose, loose.

Like, I don't, I don't care. I'm with you. I'm agreeing 100% with you, Matt. Like, I don't care that he does the freak show fights. Go fight. Mike Perry, we said before. I think you had the quote, you're like, that's one guy he does not want to see on the other end of that contract is Mike Perry, because that dude's a fucking savage. I agree.

But at least that would be a competitive fight with a guy you know can punch and he's, you know, 30 years old. He's in the prime of his career. Even if he's not a boxer, you know he's going to go in there and give you a fucking fight. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I am using this. This is our boy. This is our guy, right? But like, like, they're making a movie about Mark Kerr right now, right?

Like Mark Kerr, the smashing machine. and our boy Mark Coleman is going to be a part of that movie because he was a big part of Mark Kerr's life. Mark Kerr comes down to your gym right now, says, Matt, we're going to do an exhibition, you and me. Would you feel good about beating Mark Kerr at fucking 60 years old or whatever he is now? Like, would you really feel good about it?

Or beating Boss Routen? Like, would you feel good beating Boss now at 60 with like two hip replacements or whatever else he's got going on? Like, I can't imagine you'd feel good about yourself beating up that guy at this level. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, dude, I spar with Coleman.

He's a nut. Like, I spar with him, and I'm like, I feel bad, you know, even sparring with him, right? I do more body shots. I don't even really hit his head. Like, he's same age, you know? So, yeah, like I said, it's just garbage to me, man. But, again, it really surprised me that Mike Tyson took this fight. I'm not sure what his motivation is.

But what I hope for, just like I'm sure everybody hopes for, is that Mike Tyson, you know, that young 20-year-old rage gets on some fucking steroids does some trend some check drops and he goes in there bites fucking Jake Paul's ear and you know knocks him the fuck out and Jake Paul never wants to box an old man again yeah but you know the reality is it's probably going to leave us all very sad when it's over though that's the probably the other the other reality of it's I think that's probably a better version of what's going to happen. But, you know, Mike Tyson's a fucking freak, dude. He's been a freak since he was born.

So, you know, and that's kind of the appeal of the fight, right? Is Mike Tyson is a fucking freak. So he might pull something out, right? He might, but man, I just, I just don't get it. Like, when that, I was like, is this real? Like, are they making a movie and they're like fucking with us? Like, is this real? I guess it is.

So, you know, I guess July will find out how. it is. As you said, who's going to buy tickets to this thing? Who's actually going to go pay money to sit and Cowboys Saving to watch this thing? Right. I don't know who wants to actually see it. We'll watch it. Yeah. On paper view, I wouldn't pay for it. But, you know, it's going to be free on Netflix. Of course, I got Netflix. I pay, what is it, 10 bucks a month or something. Yeah, I'll watch the motherfucker and I know my kids don't want to watch it, right? They'll want to invite their

friends so they can watch it and they're all going to talk about it. He's going to get the publicity. city, but it's not going to do anything for me. And we're probably good, just like most of his fights, we're going to wish we didn't watch it after. We're going to be sad when it's over. Yeah, yeah, probably, you know, unless Mike Tyson, you know, like I said, go take some fucking trend, bro. Like, let's go, you know, fucking give it all you got, bro.

This is your last one. Yeah, you might as well do it. I don't care if you get popped for it. Like, they take it away from you just go out there and knock his fucking head off. like take everything you can and get they're gonna pop them for some juice and then call the fight off I don't you should be fighting a 60 year old dude

yeah yeah you should be on everything every under the sun like that should be part of the rules you'd be on testosterone steroids like whatever you want you're 60 yeah bro take take extra check drops you don't even know a check drops are do you I do not know a check drops are so the the theory

you know the rumor I should say is that when he bit oh at Vanderholyfield's ear he was on check drops and what they are i know the power lifters that take them that it's actually a cat medication that you take for uh to get you get your mind like crazy right so you take it right before a power lifting meet so you just go fucking nuts like you know power lifters get all fired up and beat your chest and they go out so it gets your mind extra amped up the rumor is that's what mike Tyson was on when he fired vander holyfield and bit his ear

Jesus Christ man check drops and learn something new every day that's what this podcast is for you learn something new every day so yeah I want him to get on check drops bring out the young angry Mike you know

I wanted to walk out with a fucking you know a black hoodie tea or cut off hoodie you know fucking get angry bro and beat this motherfucker's ass for trying to set this shit up get your fucking bag and then after that

I'm going to root for Jake Paul to go succeed in regular boxing again, you know, but not against Mike Tyson. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, man. It's so weird. All right, that's our show. Matt, before we get out here, man, where can people check you out

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