MMA Fighting - Floyd Mayweather vs. Logan Paul Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

With Mayweather vs. Paul in the books, MMA Fighting’s José Youngs, Alexander K. Lee, and E. Casey Leydon react to the top storylines following Sunday's event at the Hard Rock Stadium in Miami. Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Are we live, pal? We're live, pal. Hey, we're live, pal. Welcome, everyone, to the post, I almost called it a post-fight show. A post-show of an event that happened between one Floyd Mayweather, who many people consider to be the greatest boxer of our generation, who had an eight-round exhibition match against YouTube sensation,

Logan Paul, and I say that I'm trying to try not to chuckle. I am of course Jose Young's with M.AFlighting.com for those of you that are new to the program who are here solely because of boxing coverage. Welcome. Stick around. Hello everyone on Twitter and Facebook as well. I don't know if he's arrived yet.

Is AK here? AK is not here yet? Missing. But joining us, produced extraordinaire on the ones and twudes, E. Casey Leiden, Casey. I weren't to get into it a little bit, but what are your initial thoughts on what we witnessed?

I don't want to, I'm never afraid from calling it's a post-fight show because when it was happening, I was like, this is a thing. And then as it kept going on, and I was like, oh, no,

like it just delved into, I don't even know. So it was the question. What would I think of the event? Yeah, of the exhibition, the spectacle. The spectacle.

Um, man, it was promising, though. I got to admit, after the first three rounds, I was pretty hyped. I was hyped. 100%. After round four, I was like, you know, we're watching.

I said, I told you he's going to knock him out round four. This is what Floyd's going to do? He got him tired. He got him tired. And, dude, if the fight wasn't, if the fight was a four-round fight, like, I don't know, maybe I have a different feeling. But just the fact that he just, I don't know, he saw it. Like, it just, Floyd just carried him for four rounds.

And like, bro, we just paid money. Like, we came to see a knockout. Not only did we pay money. My stream kicked on. There he is. Welcome A. K. Lee from Brazil, apparently. Out of nowhere. This is Brazil.

Wow. Anyway, as we welcome everyone, A. K. Lee. We'll get your thoughts in a second. But as I was watching this, it's, yeah, I thought he would finish it in rounds five or six. Floyd, that is obviously. Logan Paul might have the slowest jab I have ever seen someone throw

which is fine considering his his experience level but when you're boxing Floyd Mayweather and I kind of someone was asking me about this like what are Logan Paul's chances I'm like zero but this is going to be a weird fight because anytime you get a guy that is highly trained and skilled in one area of any sport

and you're going against a novice I feel like half the time you just don't know what to do because they're doing everything wrong and it's hard to train for people doing the wrong thing. Like you're just not prepared for it. Also, Logan Paul is about 40 pounds heavier than Floyd Mayweather. To the point when Floyd would do kind of that ducking dodge, he's that faint, he's been known to throw.

And Logan would just punch straight down at the top of his head. I got real nervous for a bit. I'm like, imagine if Logan Paul knocked up Floyd Mayweather, just punching down. It would just be the most bizarre. ending to a fight. But AK, what were your thoughts on what we witnessed? I mean, the main event was horrible. I just tweeted this. I just tweeted out the words objectively horrible. It sucked. It sucked. But I don't know why. No, I mean, I do know why.

I should say. At what point did it suck? At what point did it suck? Because it didn't suck the whole time. The fight itself? Yeah. No, I thought the card was fine. No, no, the main event, the main event. It sucks. It sucked. It sucked. It sucked. Round three. Round three, round four. That sucked. I was like, I was on the edge. If you did, no, no, no, objectively speaking, if we're saying, like, just from a boxing, like, is it an interesting point to watch? Horrible. What do you tell you about? Of course, to the first three rounds, you have the appeal of the unknown of, oh, my gosh, what's going to happen?

And, like, oh, you know, Paul's busy. He has a flurry at the end of the first round, which, I mean, nothing landed. But, I mean, you're watching, you're kind of like, imagine if one of those had landed. That's what I'm saying. It's like, how do you train for that? How friends are someone that doesn't know how to throw a punch? Like Floyd has fought in the best of the best. His sparring partners were better than Logan Paul.

How do you prepare for someone who puts their entire upper body into every punch they throw? It's just it's hard to train for. And I agree with you. I agree with you. He did. He covered up. He let him gas and that's what you do.

He cover up. You let him gaffed himself out. No, no. I understand because we've seen that game playing with Floyd a million times. Like tire your opponent? No, 100% he did it. We have people on Twitter and stuff. Like, oh, why isn't this over?

I'm like, have you guys never seen a Floyd Mayweather fight? This is how they go. This is how they go. But I was expecting rounds four, five, or six for it to end when, as Maro says it a million times, this is Floyd, quote, unquote, collecting data. And then he'll finish it. And he just didn't. I don't know if it was the size disparity.

I don't know if it's because he hasn't actually trained for a fight in a long time. I don't know. I don't know if he just didn't know how. to game plan, if he even did game plan for a novice? I have absolutely no idea. I'm not Floyd Mayweather, but it was a thing that happens, and we're talking about it. Yeah, look, yeah, I had so many friends saying, like, man,

is Floyd going to knock the YouTube out? I hope that I get it. Like I said, this is the appeal of the Floyd Mayweather sort of mystique. The people just see the 50 and O. And even if they've only watched one Mayweather fight or two, maybe they just don't remember how the fights actually went down. He's the greatest defensive fighter of all time. That's a fact.

He is not this furious switch it on any time I want and look out artists. Again, especially like you said, after having such a long layoff. He's 44 years old. He's facing a guy a lot younger and a lot bigger than him. I really thought the fight was going to end with Logan Paul not be able to get off the stool after the third man. At some point after the third. He was soaked in sweat. He made the rain more wet than the rain's coming down.

in Miami Gardens. And I thought, oh, man, fifth, sixth round, they're just going to, he's just going to knock it out the stool. He looks exhausted. So credit to him, I guess, for staying in there, being a bit active near the end, too. I mean, he was certainly conserving his energy. His output had slowed a lot.

But there was moments he was still looking stuff out. Say it's a moral victory. Say it's a moral victory. Do you want to say it? 100%. I'm just waiting for him to NFT this. Oh, that's already. That's already.

He's going to NFT this whole thing. I don't know. There's nothing moral about this, Casey. There's nothing moral about this. Is it a business victory? Oh, hell's, yeah, it's a business. He just went eight rounds with Floyd Mayweather. And at no, and let's be at a glance at no point,

because he did a look, he was in danger of legitimately getting knocked out. He ate some pretty, he ate some pretty good punches there. There was at least a few that ended hard. But, yeah, at no point that it seemed like he was going to get put away, which is kind of to our disappointment. but if you're when Paul, oh my gosh,

you're going to tell that forever. Jake Paul was at ringside shouting like, oh, he's up four rounds to one or something. Jake Paul just tweeted 50 and one. And we can't prove it wrong. I mean, it is wrong because it's an exhibition,

but I'm saying we can't even shut, you know, as he was like doing his commentary from ringside, I was like, there's not even going to be an official decision. We can't even shove an official decision in his face. He can always say that this, that we'll never know.

There's no judges. We'll never know how it would have been scored. I mean, anyone with a brain. You know how we find out? Did you guys get any rounds? Did you get any rounds to fall? No. Maybe the first from inactivity.

Yeah, just because Floyd don't know. No, no. He didn't even run one. He didn't even run one. I didn't give him one. He didn't land anything. No, I know. I know.

That's what. So you really, you really think, you really think that that Floyd couldn't finish him. Like, Floyd didn't carry him. like just hardcore carrying him for the last five rounds easy i mean could it finish if he really wanted to if you really wanted to like take a risk and just go for it yeah he could have i think there's there's that part of him that just by instinct is risk averse and a fight

as as you should look there's again there's when you're 50 and no fighting a certain style i don't care whether you're doing an exhibition or whether you're doing a real actual fight and again he's older he's older now you know i i think that's switch if it's there uh i don't think you're as eager to turn on as you'd want to be. This is what has worked for him his entire career. Yes, he turned it on against McGregor. But, you know, that was a real fight. That was, I mean, that was a real legitimate fight before.

He turned it on against tension. A guy he was a lot, again, the opposite, though. He was a lot bigger than tension. Yeah. Yeah, so that was kind of the opposite situation. But I don't know. I do think, yes, obviously, he should have been able to knock out Logan Paul, but I'm not going to say entirely like, oh, he just chose not to.

I'm like, I don't know. I don't know, Casey. I think there's moments where he just. And this is why Floyd got all of us because the only way to find out is Floyd Mayweather versus Logan Paul 2. That's all you saw. It's all you saw.

Professional in a professional. Professional bout. That's all you thought tonight. You know if this is a professional. You think that was a real ref? That was their buddy. That wasn't a real ref. I don't know who that guy was.

Mr. Burgos. You know if this was a professional, if this is a professional boxing match, Floyd cooks him. If this actually goes on his record, Floyd cooks him. Yeah. I can agree with that.

Yeah. And that's, dude, all I was thinking, when after the seventh round and I was, when I was already just like so frustrated, the pipe was still going on, I was like, Floyd is sitting there and his coaches are talking, you know, Floyd's sitting there, how do I make more money? Do I knock this guy out or do I just let it go to the decision? You know, I talk nice. And then, well, you know, we'll have the mean press conference later and we'll sell a rematch.

What makes more money? And by that time, he's like, sell the rematch. Sell the rematch. And that's why he didn't knock him out. Hey, how unfair was it that Mayweather had Migos come out after Logan Paul's enters? To cool, Logan, obviously Logan Paul had, you know, timed his entrance and everything. He was all warmed up. Suddenly you get this half-hearted low energy, and it wasn't even a high-energy Migos before.

They seemed pretty much going to the motions. And I think that it was a lot. That and then. They played a full song. They played the entirety of the song. Even if the skits before and after her in the TV. I think that cooled Logan Paul off. Who knows what had happened

without the Migos interference? So well done. Well done Mayweather team in Showtime or whoever was responsible for that. Classic gamesmanship. You noticed if I had to go at least three rounds because Showtime and Mayweather Productions promotions had already had two trailers

to play in between rounds one and two. Oh, this is true. After that, they went to the corners. So the fight had to go to three rounds because, I mean, Fast and Fury is part nine. They already paid their money. they got to get it you got to air don't forget escape room tournament of champions

thank you and fast and furious whatever Infinity yeah he does it Fast 9 Fast 9 Yeah I mean mission This might happen I can't believe this might happen

Mission accomplished as far as This is this is everything that That these guys said It was good because I don't remember Mayweather being kind of out and out like This is what was so weird to me Was people coming to me and being like Oh once Mayweather

is maybe when's he going to knock him out? I'm like, he hasn't really been saying like, oh, I'm going to school this guy and just smoke him. He said, he was saying the same thing. He sent a speech after, which, by the way, guys, I don't know if you know, he had a lot of fun. I think he said that like 10 times after the fight. And he was kind of saying stuff like that

in the lead up to the fight. Just kind of like, I'm just, this is a legalized bank robbery. I'm just having a good time. The announcers, the main narrative of the commentary was how much money both guys were making. Again, I'm not saying this is the first fight that this ever happened with. but I think we all know what we signed up for.

I don't know how you guys felt about DeSuce and Miro. I thought they were really funny, and I thought they were treating the main event with the seriousness that it deserved, which is to say none. So I don't know. They were kind of 50, 50 on it, yeah. Yeah, they were great, they were great, actually.

Yeah, mileage may vary. Many people didn't like because they weren't taking it seriously, but this wasn't a serious fight. There were serious fights on the card. The main event wasn't one of them. Let's be honest here. I like when whoever, I don't know which one, it wasn't Mara, obviously,

but it was one of the other guys on the commentary, when they cut to Jake Paul and Jake Paul was like, Logan Paul is beating Floyd Mayweather. And someone just went, shut up. Shut up. He's just went, shut up. He's not. Yeah, I did appreciate it kind of going off the fight,

but how they had two different commentary crews, kind of the serious commentary crew for the real fighters and then the fun commentary crew for the fun fights, which is what it was. That was actually big thumbs up from Showtime for that idea. Like also just good on Logan Paul man like The dude wore a Charzard Medallion out

Can you explain that? Can you explain that? I didn't know what that meant So he wore their Oh my god, it's a good go for a while, sorry People that are tuning in are going to be real annoyed With what I'm going to say right now and I'm gonna hate my No no you know what I'm not ashamed because I know all this So the 1999 base Pokemon set had 102 cards So if you see if you get a base set

from 99 on the bottom right I believe it says like a number out of 102 they're not the order of the Pokemon in the the lore it's the order of like each car so like the first Pokemon and like the one is Balasaur he's not the number one card Charzart is technically the fourth

card of the original set of the base 102 so he would have a four out of 102 now if you look at the Pokemon holographic card there are some with a drop shadow and some that don't have a drop shadow ones without the drop shadow are very expensive.

One of the original base set 102s without the drop shadow could probably go for $15,000. And he was wearing it as a necklace. I saw someone say the card was worth $150,000. So maybe I read that wrong. Like $15,000 would be like the low end.

Like a high grade. You would have to grade the card like based on. This was apparently a foil as well. This was a foil charge. Yes. If it's a foil, shadow is four of one

to charge our card, it could pay for college. We're talking super rare. And if people are wondering like, what the hell, why would he walk out with that? I don't know. I assume he didn't buy it. I assume he. So he is, if anyone is aware of there is a massive surge in popularity of trading and collecting and flipping Pokemon cards.

And it is directly because of Logan Paul. Oh, okay. So he's one of cause that. I saw a lot of. So he obviously is from my generation of kids where we kind of grew up with it, one of the original ones and he bought like a $2,000 box at a Pokemon and flipped it on YouTube. Like he opened it on YouTube and flipped it for like an absurd amount of money. And he became obsessed with making money off of that.

So in the Pokemon card trading world, they're very upset at him because they have, well, it's a double-edged sword. They made their cards worth a lot, but now it's hard they're harder to find. And people are just buying them to flip. They are, dude. I got asked, man. I'm just answering the question. I know.

Yeah, and before anyone asked, like, oh, who would watch that? A guy, if you're like YouTube Pokemon unboxing, you'll find literally, like, videos that just millions, again, he probably has the most popular one. But there's millions of views. There are Twitch channels where people just do nothing but on, they buy a bunch of a box and just unbox it and just people watch it. This is a real thing, people. This is a real.

This is we're not making this up. Not saying we're not like to push this like, oh, yeah, this is a big trick. No, this is a real thing. Yeah. Like, you made a lot of money all this. I just wonder what? Whatever. So, A.K., you think that Floyd couldn't finish him, tried his best, but age just got to him?

I don't know if he was. I think I'm more saying, I don't know if he was trying his best tonight. I think that's, I think the version, I think the version of Floyd Mayweather that stepped into the ring tonight would have had a lot of trouble knocking out Logan Paul. If he decided, like, and during the fight, oh, I'm going to do this now. I'm not sure he could do it. I'm not sure he could do. I do think there's a certain level of preparation and fitness that is needed to knock. He was, Logan Paul is a lot bigger.

And, and let's, again, he's, he's an athlete. He is an actual athlete. He is. I would go, you can't say that guy's not an athlete. I am very curious because I know the contract was like Logan couldn't weigh like more than 190 or however much you weighed in. Like, I would, because everyone kept saying Logan's like above 200 pounds.

So obviously he had to cut some weight. I am very curious to see how much. much you weighed on fight night. Like how much the actual size disparity was. He was huge. He does, like, we always bring it up. He done wrestling as an amateur. Yes, it was a long time ago.

But there is, again, I do consider that sort of like somewhat credible combat sports experience. But even if you don't, he is clear, even if you say, oh, that's a lifetime ago, doesn't matter. He is clearly still someone who's in really good shape and who's an athlete. And like, I know, I know Floyd Maywe're one of the greatest box of all time. But that doesn't mean you're necessarily a gifted knockout artist who can just take out anybody, someone who's like, again, maybe

40 pounds heavier than you, maybe more than that on fight nights. So again, this version of Mayweather, I don't know if he just turned on like that. But if you have seriously trained it for the fight, yeah, of course. Of course, I think he could have taken it up. Would you watch the rematch in one year? Do you have a choice?

No, seriously. If I had to choose? Yeah, I would. I would. That's why. That's why this fight worked. It sucked. I don't have any problem with this fight actually happening because the number of people that on like the number of tweets I saw saying like complaining specifically about this fight

before the fight even happened. Like I just thinks that's sour grace. You go to the circus for a good time. You watch the circus for a good time. I don't have any problem with the existence of this fight. I just wish Floyd made of, I don't know, turned it on. She put on a show, but it is what it is. It was an exhibition match.

I'm not upset with the outcome whatsoever. We know his fights. We know Floyd made where the fight. This is nothing new. I don't even think it was a bad fight. I appreciate Floyd's style of fighting. No, no, no. It's exactly what happens.

I appreciate this style of fighting. I also understand people not finding exciting. If someone tells me they don't find a style exciting, I don't blame them at all. And this was just terrible. Well, that's kind of magic of Floyd Mayweather. Most people have never actually seen a Floyd Mayweather fight. Yeah.

That's the magic. This was the fallout. This was the fallout with Mayweather Pacchio. Everyone was really upset. Which was a good fight. Yeah, and I scored it. I think it was everyone. The judges had an 8 to 4.

People thought it was 8 to 4 Floyd. I thought it was 10 to 2. I thought Floyd pieced him up defensively. Yes, I know Pachial, he basically disarmed him in the middle of that fight. But it was like that,

Floyd, there's no positive, like Floyd dominated that fight. I thought Floyd was clearly the better boxer, so I didn't really care. I didn't, I wasn't too particular on the scores, but the better boxer won. You were, yeah,

and I was doing a recap like round by round, so that's the only reason I remember. But at the end of day, it doesn't matter the scores. I just, I thought he won, like, by a greater margin than the judges. there are a few fighters in combat sports history with, oh,

there is, there is no fighter in combat sports history who has a greater, there's a greater, like, gap between how exciting the fighter actually is and how much of a draw they are. And I get it.

Mystique is huge. His ability to sell a fight is huge. 50 and no, or whatever, as current along, 47 and 0, 48, no, 49, no, 50 and no. That's huge. I get it.

It's all part of the mystique. But the actual product itself has, has, I don't want to say bored people, has disappointed people maybe, so many times, like you said, who may not be familiar with Floyd Mayweather. And I think a lot of people who saw him fight for the first time, if it was tonight or it was a Pac-El fight or was the kind of a Gregor fight, which was kind of exciting, I guess. I think they're always let down.

I think they're always like, what, why is this guy the biggest draw? But all it takes is the right opponent to lower people in again. And that's what I... People also don't realize how small Floyd Mayweather is. Like Floyd Mayweather's never been a knockout artist. People just watch Rocky and watch Mike Tyson and watch Mom and Ali and they're like, oh, this is boxing. And then Floyd's like Floyd, this is the heaviest Floyd has ever weighed inside a exhibition or boxing match.

Like ever. This is like after a buffet, like three buffets in a row. This is what he is. He is never, like, I believe he's never weighed higher than 152. And he was like 155 in there when he was on the scale. Like that's how much of a disparity this matchup was. Because in boxing, you can get those crazy weight class, like jumping around. That's why.

Like, you have like, oh, many Pacquos won titles in six different weight classes because the white classes are a little closer. But this is like if you were tuning in to watch a knockout artist Floyd Mayweather, that's just not him, especially 40-something been retired for four years, uh, fighting a dude that was, that's massive against him. Like, it is what it is. It happens. This is the avatar of the boxing world

They made a lot of money And by the end of the year I was going to talk about it That's why Floyd's so brilliant At making money Because it's not about the actual fight He just He is so good at finding the right dance partner

With Logan Paul this week To create that imagination To create that You just want to see it Even though like we watch fights all the time We were like we were so I was like when it started I was like all right I'm hyped I'm hyped

I was more hyped for this than I was for any fight last night In the UFC card Well yeah you know what but i'm being serious you know like this is like it's this entertainment and it created our imagination it created a um a thirst for something like we wanted to see violence we wanted to see violence that's where we're kind of disappointed but we paid their money we watched the fast and furious commercials so they did their part and we got you know like pro tournament champions yeah like people

that were that were like oh i hope this like how long is this trend of celebrity boxing like like how long was this trend laugh like you guys are aware Muhammad Ali did this too like this is going to say I was going to say you remember like Casey I know you remember remember when Mike Tyson was supposed to box Bob sap yeah yeah K1 like that like this is not anything new it's not why did that fall through what did that fall through I think Mike Tyson just being Mike Tyson

yeah that wasn't the Mike Tyson of today kind of that's like it still happened I don't know what that fight is still possible. But I think, yeah, I think, I think Bob Sapp has his

handful with fight circus. Look, these exhibits, yeah, he's got to face John Nut. Look, these exhibitions, Casey said,

what makes them so special is that it, our imagine, when they're made, our imagination just goes in like a million different directions. And this is cool about them.

And that's great. At the same time, these exhibitions, that means they're also almost always doomed to under, to underperform, to let us down. Jose, you mentioned Ali.

Look, the very, you know, the fight that a lot of people, not jokingly, but somewhat, they call it the beginning of mixed martial arts, or it's certainly a touchstone of mixed martial arts. Of course, the Ali Anoki fight, right? And that fight is terrible. It is terrible, okay? That was like one of the, at the time, of course, one of the most, one of the craziest exhibitions ever as far as, like, conceptually.

And that fight is unwatchable for a lot of other reasons. I think Josh Gross, I think, wrote a book about it. It's, you know, yeah, you can watch videos about it. You read Josh's book. There's a lot of information you can get on. There's a lot of reasons why that fight turned out weird. I think people should. I think people should read that in general.

I think that's a really good book, even if you don't like boxing and MMA. Again, it's a fascinating. It's a cultural thing, too. There's a lot of layers to it. And again, a lot of reasons that fight became this just insane farce. But I don't know if it's still on YouTube. I remember it was on YouTube for years. I don't know if it got taken down for whatever reason.

But I'm sure you can find a copy of their people. Try and watch it. It is so bad. This, this, like, this tonight is like a million times better than an Okie. So, so this is how exhibitions are. They're weird. They're cool to talk about. They're cool to watch.

They're cool to watch in the moment. Objectively entertaining, I mean, usually not. You know, it's just, it's, you can't, they can't live up to this thing we build up in our heads. There's never going to do it. If I, but the thing about this fight still, I got to just reiterate, the first four rounds, it was tense. I was like, I was on edge. And if that fight, when it ended in some sort of body shot knockout in the seventh round, we have such a different conversation.

If just one hard punch lands in those last three rounds, we're talking totally, it's just a totally different conversation tonight. But it didn't, and that's what we got. I think I just, I don't know, I don't know if we got, I kind of feel like, do we get suckered? Did we get suckered? I think, I think people might have been cons. I think people might have been wolf-ticketed expecting like a big knockout,

but it's one of those fights that I want to play it out. You're like, yeah, I should have expected this. I think people should have expected it. They just bought it in the hype. It's what it is. It doesn't matter. Yeah, if you, it's so, it's like two different questions. This fight, does this fight itself worth $50?

God, no, of course not. But if you knew what you were getting, like we kind of did, if you kind of understood, again, that there was the possibility for disappointment and that the excitement was strictly, again, remember what we built up in our heads and about the personnel involved,

not necessarily the actual boxing abilities of both guys, then you did get your money's worth. I don't know how you can say you were disappointed unless your expectations, again, were of a knockout, which is fine. I didn't think there was going to be one. So I'm adding in the Chad Johnson exhibition as well, by the way, as part of that. Can we consider that that was fascinating?

I've seen a few tweets from I've seen a few tweets from MMA fighters that they're saying boxing took an L today like because like but these are I think these are just you know MMA this is the MMA versus boxing I think UFC fighters just protective of their sport

and vice versa do you think in the eyes of fans say that boxing did take an L and that is the consensus do you think it's a bigger blow for boxing that Floyd didn't knock out Jake Paul or a big

bigger blow for MMA that Jake Paul knocked out Ben Askin. So is Logan Paul surviving as Floyd Mayweather a bigger blow for that sport than Ben Ascreen being knocked out by Jake Paul? I don't have a I don't have a definitely Ben Ascran was a bigger blow. Definitely. I don't care either way like neither one really offended me. It is what it is. But you get what I'm saying?

If we're comparing him. Oh, Ben Ascran knocking out floor been asking out getting knocked out by far. it was way worse for their respective sport. MMMA. Yeah. But this is like for boxing fans like, ah, Floyd is being Floyd.

Dang it. You know, that's all it was. But that was just like, oh, more Jake Paul. Dang it. Boxing itself is just in general.

Like when I went to cover the, uh, the, the, the, the, , the actual, like,

boxing media was there. I was like, this is just such a circus. Like, this is just chaos right now. Like, just the handling of everything. And the boxing media is like,

no, this is literally, what we do all, like, it's nothing new. Like, I, and after, like, I understood that, but just, like, going from coming MMA to boxing is just league is different. I know there's a few of our colleagues that, for various MMA sites in Miami for this,

and I was, like, chatting to a few, and they were like, this is, I don't know what I expected, because this is what I expected, but I was hoping it wasn't. It's one of those things like you hope it's different, but it never is. But I can tell you, man, I covered the big Floyd fights and stuff.

They're different. They're different. And they feel bigger. They feel bigger. They feel bigger than maybe outside of a Connor fight. I mean, like the big Connor fights, like Connor in New York City, stuff like that. But outside of that, the big Floyd fights, the big Canela fights, even big Pacquayal fights back in the day, they feel bigger when you're there. Floyd and Connor.

But they feel bigger, yeah. Floyd and Connor in Toronto, the press conversation. That's still like the craziest energy I've ever felt at one of those. I mean, I haven't been on to too many. But like, were you there live? Were you there at the venue? That was where I first met you. I think that was where I first met you formally

because I literally just been recruited. I don't even think I was officially with a May fighting yet. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, and I briefly met you. And I remember the look of the withering look you gave me. Like, oh, oh, new guy. Okay, and just back back. I mean, you, I guess you were kind of busy that day.

I guess filming like the greatest press conference in combat sports history. But, I mean, you could have been a little bit. nicer if we're being honest. No, no. But I didn't you there for the first time. Much like Floyd, you chose not to. You chose not to act. I made a financial decision.

To this day, I've never felt or seen an energy like that that there was. I think it was the Mulsin amphitheater or whatever it's called now. That was crazy. So yeah, and that was the combined combination of Floyd and Connor. And it was just like, holy crap. This is like another planet. Like, it's like unlike anything I ever seen. Well, I know our viewers are probably like,

why are you spending so much time on this? So any last words before we wrap it up for this week before we go into UFC 263, 263, 263, 263, 23 fight week? I really enjoyed Heard and Arias. Yeah, that fight ruled. Oh, that fight was amazing. That fight was great.

With the rain and the drama and the bad and the bad knockdown that shouldn't have been a knockdown. And then the judge is actually scored it right, where I think we were all expecting a bad scorecard. and the judges actually scored it right. It was like, what? It was just, and yeah. It was amazing.

That was a good. It's like because I didn't know very much about it. I knew who Swift does, who Swift was. I recognized him, but I didn't know who the other guy was. But man, I was like, I was in that fight. I don't know. It was pretty awesome. It was so cool.

I think we're looking this up. Thank you for bringing that. I think more, I wish that was the co-main event. I understand body jack. That was just unfortunate. Because that was unfortunate. Well, that was also a last minute chained and opposed. Yeah.

Well, it gets a past. Yeah. Yeah. So it's. It's one of those like when King Moe and Rampage were going to headline the pay-per-view, like Bellator's first pay-per-view and people were like, or was that, was that the first one? Yeah. And then people were upset.

Oh, Eddie Alvarez and Chandler. I think Eddie Alvers, Chandler, I thought Eddie Alvers Chandler was the co-main event for that. No, but it was they were in different cities because I was at them. I know one was in a minute. Well, what I think actually happened was I think, I think King Moe and. rampage was the rematch was supposed to be the headliner it was supposed to and then it fell apart and then but the original i think eddie chanella was the original home main event didn't have a problem with it because that's how people tune in they tune in for the craziness at the top and then you

happen to find any alvers and michael chanelan i have no problem with uh cards being stacked like that unless there are titles involved in multiple things is what it is anyway a k anything else you want to say before we wrap up this show no that was great uh chad johnson i thought that that was uh i thought that was certainly interesting to watch. I thought Brian Maxwell made the most of his moment in a weird way. He almost knocked him out. That's pretty cool. It's really all you can ask for.

That fight was also an exhibition. So technically there wasn't a winner. I had Maxwell. I gave him a 10-8 that round. So technically he won the fight in my eyes. But his post-voice speech, a little awkward. But yeah, overall, I was enjoying the show. I would have liked more musical acts.

I mean, Migos, and again, Migos, a little low energy, guys. I know you guys are a big deal of a little low energy. You got to perform him like it's the first time every time. So I could use a little more doja cat. I could use a little more black keys, but it is Showtime. It is Showtime, not Triller. So, yeah, I thought overall good product. Here's why I don't want that to happen because then it will devalue the Triller events.

You're right, you're right, you're right. Let it be, let Triller be what it is, yeah. But, yeah, and again, even though I'm crappery on the main event, because, again, it was just objectively a terrible, terrible fight to watch. But it had the intrigue that they said it would have. Again, at least through the first few rounds before people realize, oh, it's another Mayweather fight and Logan Paul has no idea what he's doing. But we said intrigue. I thought of yesterday's card when he's like, well, this card was intriguing.

No, if I say, if I say interesting, that's my code word for do-do. So, but overall, like I said, if I, $50, I thought, I thought it was fine. Again, if you were disappointed, you were expecting way too much from that fight. Oh, and before we go, I had my first. Because we weren't expected to do this post show, but, you know, fans demanded it. But we had like four or five people over watching fights. Like for the first time since, I don't know, pre-pandemic. I was like, wow.

But my girlfriend has watched two fights with me, like two cards with me. Habib versus Dustin Porreier and this. That is, there you go. It caught the imagination of the people, man. It caught the imagination of the people. Same caliber fight. Same caliber fight. Rub it in, Casey.

We're still on lockdown here in Ontario. So all my Ontario people's stay strong. You guys can stick around on the site tomorrow. I believe we'll have another What the Heck coming this week. We'll return up between the links. I don't think there'll be an A side because we have every single media day ever on Wednesday. I will be on site in Glendell, Arizona for UFC 263. I believe Mike Heck will be on site for, is it Bellator 260?

Something like that. Yeah. 260, Douglas Lima defense's welterweight title. So stick around on our YouTube page.

Go watch our own Damon Martin, Stephen Romco's recaps of this circus and spectacle. And after that, go watch them all of our fallout

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