MMA Fighting - Heck of a Morning | How Can We Fix Judging In MMA?

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

While 2022 has produced rising stars, incredible fights, and exciting finishes, it has also provided a shining light on the holes in judging in the sport of mixed martial arts. The big question remains: What can be done to improve it? On an all-new edition of Heck of a Morning, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck gives his thoughts on what it could take to improve judging, or at least get more competent people sitting in those very important seats during fight nights. Additionally, listener questions include UFC Vegas 66, Arman Tsarukyan's ceiling at 155, the UFC's lightweight division as a whole and who could emerge as the next new face, Paddy Pimblett's next opponent, Glover Teixeira vs. Jamahal Hill, and much more. You can listen live to Heck of a Morning Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays at 10 a.m. ET on the MMA Fighting Twitter Spaces. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Fighting Podcasting Network. Hope everyone's having a great week. I am Mike Hack. We are two days away from the final UFC events of 2022, which is kind of crazy to think about it. There are certain times throughout the year where it feels like the year just started. And then there are certain times throughout the year where it's like, man, I feel like this year has taken five years.

It's just one of those crazy years, but it has been a year full of stories, a year full of big fights, a year full of chaos, some controversy mixed in, a little bit of everything for 2022, most notably for the UFC. And I got to say,

this card on Saturday is pretty damn solid. But the main event, Jared Kennedy versus Sean Strickland. My main event is actually the co-mate event. Armand Sirukian versus Demir is Bagulov. We get the return of Amir al-Bazi. Get a fun one between Bruce Leroy, Alex Casares, and Julian Arosa. Drew Dober, Bobby Green is on this card. Cody Brundage, Mikhail Oaxeach.

We get the return of Cheyenne Velizmiss versus Corey McKenna, a couple of up-and-coming straw weights. Jake Matthews is back. someone who I'm very high on after his win over Andre Fialio at UFC 275 taking on Matthew Semelsberger. Let's see if Duran win can get a much needed victory against Julian Marquez. We get the Battle of the Saeeds. Saeed Narmaga Medov versus Saeed. He called Hakhrmanov.

We got Mahashata versus Rafah Garcia. Renat Fakritinov versus Brian Battle. We get Manel Kopp back in there against David Devorak, Sergei Morazov. versus Journey Newson. It's a very solid card. It's a very solid fight night card. There have been far worse in 2022 than this one. 14 fights, earlier start time, starts at 4 p.m. Eastern in the prelims.

Main card at 7. A lot to like on this final card. And you may have seen in the description we're doing a free-for-all Thursday. And the reason is there won't be a show tomorrow. I'm not really sure how this is going to work over the next couple weeks, but my vacation, my holiday travel, because there's going to be so much friggin travel over the next couple of weeks, begins tomorrow.

So tomorrow's a be a day of just getting everything ready. I might actually play a little golf while my kids at school. And then we are off to Boston. They're like 7.30 tomorrow night to freeze our asses off for the next five or six days. my plan is to probably do a show next Thursday, just kind of check in and react to whatever's going on in the wonderful world of MMA. We're going to do like our award stuff,

so we'll have an award show, so I'll do a bunch of stuff for that. But for the most part, I'm going to be unplugged from the sport of mixed martial arts, but I'm going to try to check in maybe once a week during the break. But no show Friday. So we're going to do the free-for-all Friday stuff today.

So it's free for all Thursday. We will have BTL today. We're just going to do what we did last week. Me and Jed live, bouncing back and forth off each other. That goes out at 1 p.m. Eastern. And then all the stuff that we typically do for fight weekends, all happening tomorrow. With the preview show, all of that.

I'm not sure who will be hosting that. Pre-fight. People's Pre-fight show. Saturday, post-fight show Saturday night. A.K. We'll have on to the next one on Sunday with somebody else as a co-host. Not sure who that's going to be, but my vacay

starts tomorrow, but I'm going to try to get a show in for you guys next week. But with that being said, let's get off to this and turn it over to you guys for as long as we do this. So, Zach, we'll begin with you and then we'll tag in Tristan Gordette. Zach, hello.

Hey, Mike, how you doing? A bit a minute. Hit him straight. Tomorrow then, if you play on the golf course. Two questions for you. First one would be a lot of issues with the judging and the Sabotella, or the one judge in the Sabatel of the Stats fight, the 50-45, but I'm not really concerned about that. No one's really been talking about it,

but do you think that, let's say it was 48, 47, Sabatel, he gave the scorecard? Is that a fair scorecard or was it a clear Stats win? I'd have seen more about that one scorecard than if it actually was a close fight because the other two were 4847, so I didn't know if it can go. If you believed, you thought they can go both ways. The other one that's interesting is after this fight card, you know, we had some, in the over the last couple weeks, we had some middleweights come up. Guys like DDP, Roman Deleetze, you know, you have knees and email off.

Kind of similar to what we have with the lightweight division right now where, you know, you got Surukian and Isma Gula fighting. Do you think there'll be which fighters out of those group of up-and-coming middleweight? Do you think we'll get that push by the promoting? motion to, you know, fight some of the bigger names like Vitori or maybe a loser of this main event coming up or in which ones do you think might have to fight each other like a Isma Goulov and Surukion or a, you know, Surukion Gameron type. Thanks, Mike, and have a good vacation.

Thanks, man. So the first part, if Crosby or anybody else scored that fight 48, 47 for Sabatelo, I would not have had a huge issue with that. It was a really close fight. I thought Stats did a little more in the damage department, but it's kind of hard to define because there were certain rounds that were scored for Stats that you could have scored for Sabatello, in my opinion. Watching it live, and I have gone back and rewatched it.

Watching it live, I scored it 48, 47 for Sabatelo. I thought Sabatelo won the first two rounds. Stats won the third. Sab's won the fourth and I think Stott's on the fifth. That's how I scored a lie, but I've rewatched it. And since then, I've changed my mind to 48-47. I gave Stots around two. But the rest I scored the same.

The problem is the 50-45. And even if you scored a 50-45 for Stots, that would have been a pretty awful scorecard. That's a 48-47 fight. It's a 48-47 fight. It's three rounds to two. You want to give it to Sabs. Cool.

if you want to give it to Stotz, I think Stotz is probably the rightful winner. But yeah, if Crosby scored at 4847 for Sabatello, I don't think we'd be talking about it at all, honestly. But the 5045, to me, is probably the worst scorecard issued by any judge in 2022. One of the worst I've ever seen. It's just horrendous.

And there's no excuse for it. There is no, it is an arguable. You can't argue. Like, it's just inexplicable. It's egregious. It's a fucking horrible scorecard. I'm sorry. It's a terrible scorecard.

So I think that's where the big issue comes. I think if you scored a 4946, Sabatella, I think we'd be having a conversation, but 50-45 is just outrageous. It's friggin terrible. As far as the middleweight division goes, I think DDP will probably get the opportunity

first because I think the Till fight I think beating Darren Till still means something a lot of people know who he is casuals and hardcores so I think he'll probably be the guy that gets to step up before any of the others that you mentioned

I know DeLide's A has been out of tear I'd like to see DeLidezay in Vitore but I just don't think that fight's going to happen so I think DDP will probably have the best shot plus DDP is just super exciting fighter and I think a lot of people got

to see that for the first time. People who didn't know DDP was tuned in to watch him fight a guy like Darren Till and they were like, oh man, this guy's fun and there are no boring trick as duplice fights. So I think it's going to be him. I could see a world where they're probably

I think the only reason why we're getting Sarukyan is McGulov is because no one wants to fight Sirukian. No one wants to fight him. I still think he beat Matush Gamrod and no one wants to fight this dude

and I get it. The risk reward is just not there. And I feel like the biggest and it's not the same because I'm high on this guy that I'm about to mention but not as high on this guy

as I am on Sirukian. Like I think Andre Munez's road to a title fight is going to be a long one because I just don't think there's going to be a lot of guys that are going to be like, all right, I'll fight him. It's just going to be, it's going to be tougher him.

It's going to be a tougher road. So, yeah, I think we might see a world where a muniz, deletes a fight happens sooner rather than later. But I think if we're talking about guys fighting like the Paul Costas of the world and even the Vittorias of the world,

it's probably Drickus duplice. I think he's got the edge. But middleweight's getting fun. It's getting fun. Tristan, hello. Hi, Mike. Can you hear me?

Yep. What's up, buddy? Mike, speaking about Armand Syrucan versus Damir Isma Gulo, is there a high concern for you with Armine, with this fight here? I mean, I remember I was listening to Luke Thomas and, you know, he felt that people are underestimating Demer is Vagulov of how good he's been, how skillful he's been. And, you know, this guy is really, really good, and no one's really talking about him, him making a run or contending for the right way title.

So I'm just saying, because if Amos Rukin loses his fight, it's going to set him back. So, you know, again, I'm not saying that Amunds Rican can't beat Demir. I'm just saying the level of concern here if Amos Rukin loses to Demir's Magulov in this fight right here, which could set him back tremendously. I mean,

I just feel like, it's a lot pressure here for Al Mitzalukin. He's got to win this fight to continue his run for tight of contendorship. You know, so what's your level of concern if Armin loses his fight against Demer? Thanks, Mike.

Um, level of concern. Not a ton. Because to me, if he loses this fight, it's going to be, it's going to be another like controversial splitie. Because I, like, honestly, I went back and watched Demir's last fight with Guram Kutatsalate, and I thought Guram won that fight. I thought Gurum won that fight. So, I, like, and maybe.

it's just because I'm so high on Sarukyon. I think Surukyon's going to, I don't think he's going to run Izvahulov over, but I feel pretty confident that he's going to win this fight running away. Might even finish his Magulov.

I just think Izmukov does a lot of things very good, but he's not excellent at really anything. And Sirukian's excellent at a lot of stuff. Almost everything. I think he can strike with his Magulov.

I think he can out grapple him. I think his finishing ability is much better. I think he's a far better athlete. I think this is going to be the coming out party, honestly. I think people look at this fight like it's a really close fight, and I get it. Because Amir is Magulov is really, really good. And I would pick Demir against a lot of these up-and-coming lightweights, but this is just a different guy.

To me, Surukian is, at worst, the eighth best lightweight in the world. Because I still think he won that gamma fight. I think I just think Surukyon just has all the tools to win this fight. And the things that Guram Kutata Latsi was able to do against Zimbabhulov, Sirukian could do that 10 times better and 10 times more effectively. So if his baguolov goes out there in 3027s, Surukian, then I'm going to be a little bit more concerned.

But this is not a five-round fight. This is three-round Serukion, and that's just a different animal. So I don't have a lot of concern here. But again, if Invisible Gulov just goes out there and just stunts on them, then we're having a different conversation. But if Surukian goes out there and loses another controversial split decision, yeah, it sets him back for sure. But again, he's only 26. He's got a long way to go. He hasn't even reached his full potential yet, which is super scary.

It should be super scary for anybody else in this thing. division right now. But yeah, outside of him just getting styled on, I don't have a ton of concern. If he loses a close-law decision, it's all right. Like, it'll set him back. His current title hopes fade off for now, but this dude's got another seven or eight years to go, and he's only going to get better. But I think he learned, I think the Gamrod fight, no matter how you scored it,

no matter how it was scored on Fight Night, that fight is going to do so. much for I'm on Surukyan in the future. And I don't think, I honestly don't think this fight's going to be, I think there's going to be times of competitiveness, but I honestly think Syrukeon's going to win this fight pretty convincingly. When it's all over, we're going to be like, damn, Syrukeon's the real. Boating for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time. Play Ojo, great idea. Feel the fun with all the latest slots in live casino games and with no wagering requirements. What you win is yours to keep groovy.

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Ramansu, Sofia. Yes, sir. Yeah. So Ariel made a statement in MMA that if a judge has to have a fight to judge on his schedule, then that judge should be fresh-minded and not tired where Douglas Rosby was catching flights, traveling one place to another right? And then Big John McCarthy made some comments on that

that the judge can do and just can do such things. And, you know, there is no need. I mean, there is no need, you know, to force him not to go on the multiple locations to judge a fight. And John Magarthe, hello. Yeah, I hear you. And then he said that, you know, Douglas Crosby gave that scorecard to Paddy just because, you know,

He wanted to make UFC happy because sometimes fighter and promotions are helping judges and refresh to get sponsorships and other sorts of money earning things. So how these two statements are relevant. And I think both Ariel and Vigone are telling the truth. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, look, I have no proof to back this up, but wouldn't surprise me if that's Doug Crosby and his relationship with Dana White and how he feels about Dana White. It's pretty public.

He loves Dana White. So I get it. Like, if there are judges who can do this and do it fine, and I have no issue with that. My issue is when this guy drops a 50-45 scorecard for, for Danny Sabatello against Rafihan Stats. And then the Nevada Athletic Commission is certainly aware of this scorecard because everybody's freaking talking about it.

And they're just like, yeah, come to Las Vegas and judge one of our fights. Like, you can't do that. These commissions need to come together and be like, all right, this guy had one of the worst scorecards I've ever seen. We can't allow him to go across the country to judge this fight.

like all these commissions need to come together like tell them to stay the fuck home you're messing with people's livelihood now i know there's a lot of people out there who are like oh how can we fix judging in and all this like and pulling crosbie all together i don't know if that's the answer i would love to see that happen i think there's enough evidence where his scorecards just suck mostly across the board but at the same token like i know some people are saying well it should be former fighters that do it. It should be longtime martial artists. It should be pros who are judges.

And yeah, I mean, cool if you want to do that. But Anthony Smith's been saying what I've been saying for a long time. The issue with that is maybe a certain fighter favors a certain style. Maybe a certain fighter has trained with one of the fighters in the fight. Maybe he's friends with a judge or something like that. And that creates a whole new thing. So my whole fix of this, this ain't a, fixed. But this is something.

But I've been saying this for a long time. Nobody wants to be a judge. Why would you want to be a judge? I would go through like the class just to learn stuff. But if you think I'm going to spend my time for to make 75 cents to judge an MMA fight, F that noise. Like this has to be, this has to be like a full-time job where you don't just work on Saturdays.

You work during the week to help with commission stuff or you're just constantly learning and growing and you're going and watching different fights and you're doing different things. Like, this has to be worthwhile. There's no way these judges are making anything. Like, what's the point? It's the same people.

We're not getting new faces. We're getting the same freaking people over and over again. And that is a problem. That is a problem because the sport has evolved so much over the last 10 years. It's just ridiculous. It's just ridiculous. So I don't think fight,

like you just have to make it worth your while. Like you have to make it to the, like I'm not saying it has to be a point where like elementary school kids when they're doing their career days and oh, when I grow up, I want to be an MMA judge. No, I'm not saying that. But you have to make it like somewhat sustainable and somewhat worth the time for

intelligent human beings who have some idea and some semblance. and some semblance of what they're watching when these guys are fighting each other. We're not getting that here. We're getting boxing judges who don't know what the hell they're watching. And it's ridiculous. And we have all these different criteria

and all this stuff, but no one's changing. No one's changing. No one wants to be a judge. Who wants to be a judge? You're probably like, you're not making anything. Plus the judges should be, they should have to answer for this shit.

They should have to do a Zoom call with members of the media if there's a questionable scorecard. And kudos to Mike Mizzuli for saying, we're going to review this and there could be possible sanctions. That's great. But that's not enough for me. Mike Mizzuli should force Douglas Crosby on the Zoom call with members of the media,

Bellator staff, all of this. So we can ask what the hell he was watching. Because it's ridiculous. It's just ridiculous. And I'm sick of talking about it. And I know Ally Quintzsche just popped in here. open scoring doesn't change any of this. Okay?

It doesn't change any of it. I understand people want to see it. And there's certain examples you're like, okay, this would be interesting if the fighter knew where he was at. But at the same token, we complain about judging so much if you instituted open scoring. Can you imagine the reaction watching that Patty Pimbled fight? If we had open scoring and we saw two of the judges score that first round for

Patty Pimblett, can you imagine what Twitter was? would have been like, it would have been a nightmare. It would have been a nightmare. We're going to just complain more if we do open scoring. That's all there is. But we have to get competent judges who come in and judge these fights. And we also have to make it worth their while to want to actually do it. Because other than that, if we don't do this, Doug Crosby and Adelaide Byrd and all these other people who we see time and time again are going to be the same faces and the same names we see on these broadcasts. But there's just nothing worthwhile that makes anybody want to be a judge.

I certainly wouldn't want to do it. Like I said, I'd go through the class just to learn a little bit more about it, but you think I'm going to spend my Friday night judging a regional card for like five bucks? F that noise. No way. Absolutely not. Let's go to my boy, Toke.

Tocke, hello. Just to say that, I will just, uh, I will move on to this weekend that's coming up, because I want to get your perspective on the Gaichi scale, which fight is on top of that. And what I mean by that is, of course, the most violent fight of the weekend. I want to hear your take on that.

And I don't mean just the UFC, because my take is that the main event of KSW with Putsianavsky and Kaladov, I believe his name is, that is violence personified and I'm so ready for it. And that is probably, okay, I'm more looking forward to Sarukia and Isma Gulao. But the most intriguing fight for me, every time Pritchinovsky is in the cage, oh my God, I'm going to watch. So I just want to get your take on what is the most violent fight of the weekend.

So have a good Thursday, Mike. Thanks, man. I mean, that's probably the correct answer, but let's look at this UFC card and see what the most violent fights will be. I mean, Drew Dober, Bobby Green screams to me. That's just going to be a – there's no way that fight doesn't stink. That's got to be the fight of the night. That's my pick. Dober hits like a truck. Bobby Green is tough as hell. Great boxer. Doesn't get enough credit. That's probably the correct answer. I have to say, I think – I think Jake Matt, Matthews, Matthew Semelsberg could be another one. But honestly, I just think because Jake Matthews, I think Matt's going to have his moments,

but I think Jake is just finding his stride right now. He's not a 19-year-old kid anymore. This dude's a man. He's a grown friggin man now. And he's finally starting to realize that. So probably one of those two fights. I mean, I think we're going to see a bunch of finishes on this card. But, I mean, it's kind of a your pick with Pooge and Dober and Green seem like great choices.

Alex Casares, Julian Orozas, going to be a battle too. Because that's what Julian Oroza does. And Casares gets himself in those types of fights. So those are probably like the All Violence Awards. I think Devorak, Medell Cop could be a fun one too with the striking. Yeah, I think we're going to get a bunch of finishes. There's going to be some good fights with like some good grappling exchanges. Like the Normaga made off Hakurmano fight is going to be pretty wild.

I don't know if it's going to be like a violent wild fight, but it's going to be a really highly competitive wild matchup. The mixing of the martial arts. Yeah, there's a lot to choose from. I don't think, I don't know, maybe Surukian is Magulov is much more violent. The main event could be violence, but I think it's going to come from more, the violence is going to come more from Jared Canada.

I mean, Strickland could pick Canadiere apart for five rounds, but I think Canaaner, where he's at right now in this division, with some of these guys coming up canada can't be gun shy in this fight i think he's got to pull the trigger and if he does we could get a violent finish so lots of shoes from but it's puginowski fights probably the overall weekend answer to me let's go to cringe judo good heck of a morning to everybody um i'm gonna circle back round to that doug crosbie thing i just wanted to throw this out there do you think they're not really throwing a big fuss about it because he was consistent per se like he gave him control time for his score

cards he like gave the last round to Jared Gordon then he gave all the rounds to sabatello so I mean he's at least being a little consistent by giving control time to the fighter but I don't know just want to throw it out there my next thing is how close are we to this usman I mean Mazvidal Leon Edwards fight thanks for letting me talk man have a good one Thanks, man. Probably not with your first question. I mean, they're just horrible scorecards. They're both just bad scorecards.

And I know that Krosby isn't the only one that gave Patty the first round, but that's just bad scoring. It's just bad scoring. And this is coming from somebody who thought it was a robbery on Saturday, watching it live, rewatching it, coming on this show Tuesday and feeling like it wasn't a robbery. But then like watching the fight, and looking at the scorecards at the same time

and understanding that you can scream robbery here. Like you can scream robbery here. It's not, to me, if you just scored the fight 29, 28 for Patty, it's not the end of the world. Like if you gave Patty two and three, like there's a case to be made for that. The R word comes into play because of that first round,

because it's just horrible score it. That first round, should not have been scored for Patty. Sorry. No, there's no world where Patty won that round. I scored the third round for Patty on both, on both times I watched it. Neither guy did much, but I think Patty was more effective with the striking.

Not by a lot, but enough. And I thought Jared won the seconds. I thought he landed the cleaner shots, the more powerful shots. Patty had his moments too, especially like the last 15, 20 seconds of the round. But I still think Jared won. But if you scored 29, 28, I ain't mad at you.

But the fact that the first round went to Patty on two cards, I get the robbery talk. I get it. It's just a horrible card. Both, it's just terrible. Just terrible. Really, really bad. Really, really bad.

I forget your other question. I'm sorry. Maybe someone could fill me in. Julio, I'm going to you and then crypto, you're on deck. Sorry. And how's it going? What's up? So I wanted to talk more about the technical aspect.

It's clear that Paddy's striking is his weakness. And you would say it's average, maybe below average. More so Bryce Mitchell, like for example, do you think it's something that they're not working on or like they don't see that they're clearly deficient in that area and take it from? me that I'm not in their gym with them and I'm a nobody but do you think it's something that they don't recognize or just

it's been working for them so whatever you know if it's not broken don't fix it type of thing thanks I like you can't I don't think you compare Patty to Bryce with the striking

I think Patty striking's much better than Bryce Mitchell's striking it's not great the problem with Patty striking is he's horrible defensively. He just can't block anything. And that was like a big, like if you watch, if you watch back the Chris Curtis, Joaquin Buckley fight, Wachian Buckley look pretty good in that fight, right? You're sitting there watching in real time, you're like, man, Joaquin is just lighten the sky up. But if you go back and watch it and watch all those

strikes, Chris Curtis blocks like 75% of him with his arms or his shoulders or his wrists, like his guard is so good he's so defensively sound in there that when that opening comes he can just take it and that's exactly what he did in the fight like go back and watch that one and you can see the difference between a patty striker who can be effective offensively but have absolutely no defense and chris curtis who can strike offensively effectively he might actually be better defensively than he is offensively. And he's pretty goddamn good offensively. But that was the big difference

in the fight. He just let Joaquin kind of punch himself out and then he found the opening, landed the big shot, and finished him. Tiago Moises at 155 is great at that. Very solid, fundamentally sound offensive striker, but his defense is

so good. And if you want a great example of that, go watch Tiago Moises' fight with Alexander Hernandez. Because Hernandez still to this day, feels like he won that fight? I don't think so. Because Moises is so good at evading and so good at blocking and so good of just getting just out of range

so you don't actually make good contact with him. Defense is huge, man. Like it may not affect the scoring all and all, but that's the biggest issue with Patty with the striking. He just gets punched so much. And if he fights any of these other big hitters, it ain't going to go well. It's just not going to go well.

Jared's a good striker, but he's not like a knockout artist. Eventually, if they keep riding Patty up this trajectory, he's going to face a big hitter who's just going to crack him. Things last forever, chins don't. And eventually someone's going to find that chin. That's the biggest issue with Patty. Offensively, he could be effective. I mean, we've seen him drop dues.

seen him hurt guys on the feet, but he just gets hit so often. And eventually, at this level, it's not going to last forever. He's got to work on defense. But Patty's just, he thrives off chaos. Like, that's, Patty's effective with chaos. That's why he gets the submissions that he gets. It's mostly in scrambles. It's great at take in the back.

But as an all-at-all fighter, I think people, what people are starting to realize with Patty is that, There's a ceiling to somebody like this. And I think we've reached it. I'm not saying he can't evolve any further, but I just don't see him beating a top 15 guy. Like, I don't see it. It's just too high level.

And that's fine. Like, you can make a great, like, if Patty fights either Drew Dober or Bobby Green, he's going to lose. And those guys aren't even top 15 guys. Who fights either of those guys? he's in trouble. That's why I like the Terrence McKinney fight. I feel like Terrence can win

and Terrence probably should win. But Patty is so durable that if he can get out of the first round and extend it, Patty has a chance to win that fight. So that's somewhat intriguing to me. These are the types of matchups for Patty. Top 30 dudes.

You keep that guy far away from the top 15. Do not do that. Don't do not put him in there with the top 15 guy But that's the biggest discrepancy with Patty striking He's just he's got no defense at all none And that's a problem in the UFC Especially in this friggin division holy cow You're only going to get away with that for so long

Crypto hello Good how are you Good So first of all Mike Don't ruin the fun Mike Let's just keep on pretending That Patty is God's gift to the MMA

community. He's the best fighter in the world. He's the new Connor McGregor. He crushed Jared Gordon. So let's give him a top opponent. Let's finally see how he does. I mean, he's he's the best fighter ever. Let's not spoil the fun, Mike. Just as I said, Jalen Turner, Armand Saruka. That's the fight to make. Don't give him these fights. I mean, let's just, I mean, put your basically, it's, I'm just so tired of this. And all I keep hearing is his his great chin.

He has such a great chin. And in essence, what that means, whenever you hear that is basically he has zero defense. But he thinks that he's the best in the world. Let's stop protecting him. Like, okay, you want to really try your skills against the top opponent? Let's do it. Let's freaking do it.

So, Mike, two questions. The first one is all this judging, judging stuff that is going on. I just want your take on. I don't know if you've seen, And listen, I'm not a big fan of the PFL. But one thing that I kind of like is this smart cage where they have these different types of metrics. And there's like a company or something that I think they have like between 15 and 20 people working every fight behind the stage.

Basically it looks almost like, I don't know, it's like a high-tech room with a bunch of screens, bunch of data that has been gathered on punch speed and different metrics. And I'm not saying it's perfect. Don't get me wrong. I know that it's, I mean, still a system can be biased. And there's other things to stick into consideration. But I kind of like that. Like basically it's data-driven decision-making.

I don't have much info about it, but I was just wondering what your take is on the PFL smart cage. And if that could be at least one piece of the puzzle with, regards to judging. And the second question is Mike, Damir Ismagulov against Taruken. I kind of have the same feelings here that I had when it comes to Sarukan against Kamrat. That it's basically for Zeruka, it's the type of fight that has very little upside. Let's say he beats Isma Golov. He will still be kind of in the same situation, right? I mean, it's still he's still fighting down.

He's basically going to have to fight a very good fighter, no matter what we think about this Magulab. And I agree with you. I don't think his Mogulam won his last fight. So I completely agree with you. But still, he's a good fighter. He's really, I mean, I don't think he has lost in like six, seven years. He's an up-and-comer, so to say, within the UFC at least.

So, I mean, I like the fight, but once. again, I'm very, yeah, I don't know. It's like a guilty, guilty pleasure, Mike. I want to see the fight, but at the same time, I would have loved to see maybe Gamrot against Sarukin later on in their careers, and I kind of feel the same with regards to Isma Golov and Saruken. So, yeah, those are my two questions, Mike, the PFL cage, and your take on that, that it's maybe not the most optimal matchup for Zerukkah.

Thank you, Mike. No, I completely agree with you. It's not the most optimal matchup for Surukian, but it's the only guy that would say yes from all accounts. And they both just happen to be managed by the same guy and the same team. So it's tough, man. It's tough in this division. I mean, there's just so many guys that are really good that are going to have a tough time getting matchups.

Serukian probably at the top of that list. Grant Dawson, Jalen Turner. these guys are going to have a really tough time getting fights because this is no up, this is not a ton of upside beating them. Like the hardcore fans, people in this room understand how good these guys are, but there's no cachet really.

And that's just what this division looks like right now. It's the same guys. And I'm hoping that eventually this changes. And I thought we were kind of going in that direction with the Gamrot versus Benil Daryushva. but then Benile went out there and won and now we're still kind of log jammed up the top with what's going on up there right now.

So I don't know, man. I don't know how these guys are going to move up. Eventually they're just going to have to, if this is kind of going to have to be the path for Surukia. He's just going to have to take on the guys that are right around the same as him. All these up-and-comers, he's just going to have to eliminate all of them. And vice versa. Like I don't think, I think if Surukia wins,

he's probably going to have to fight like a Jalen Turner or somebody like that, or Grant Dawson. Like these are the dudes. These are probably going to have to fight. So it's going to be a long road. It's going to be a Makachef-esque road to the top for a guy like Sirukyan. And it's not really fair. I get it.

But that's kind of where we're at right now. And I was kind of hoping that with the Patty thing, if Patty was going to win the best case scenario for at least moving this division along or at least giving somebody a little bit of an extra boost is that Patty went out there and just ran over Jared and subbed them out. Like a lot of people felt like if Patty were to win,

that's how we would have to do it or that's how we would do it. But that's not what happened here. So now we can't throw Patty into a fight like that to boost somebody else's stock because Patty's stock dropped with that fight. So yes,

divisions, it's tough. It's just tough to get any movement going. And I kind of feel for Armand. I know the Gamrod fight was super close, but I still feel like Sarukyon won that fight. And who knows, what a Sarukyon versus Darius fight would have looked like. So, but again, I'm not going to go crazy about it because it was super close and super fun. It's my favorite fight of the year. It's probably not going to, it won't win fight of the year, but I could assure you, uh, we're going to be doing, our voting, Serukion Gamrot will be in my top three, maybe even number two, but probably

number three would be my guess. And then the PFL of SmartGage thing. I don't know, man. I mean, are the judges going to look at that? I don't know. And then there's no damage bar. Like if there's, like, Jed's always been an advocate of a damage bar, but you can't even like, if damage is the number one piece of the criteria, you can have the, you can have

smartest cage in the world and you can't determine damage. Like, it's hard to even define it at times. Like, what is damage when a fight, what a round is so equal? Like, I understand the difference. Just look at the last two fights Rob Fon had. Look at Rob Fon-Josealdo. Look at Rob Fond, Marlon Vera. The amount of strikes that Rob was landing against both of those guys,

but then just getting absolutely clipped, especially in the Cheeto fight, that's the one. that's the one like finally tripled him up on strikes but man when chita was landing on him he was landing big just such a big difference so i don't think the smart cage thing will really help what what needs to happen is you need to take like the judges can be caged side like i don't give a shit

but they need somehow to be out of the environment whether you just put them in a box with the TV monitor or you put headphones on them, like noise blocking headphones to just watch the fight for what it is. It's tough. I'm not saying judging is easy. It's not. But when you're having 50, 45 scorecards

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We get the deals. You gift the good stuff. let's go to Chris then we'll go to Bug and then we'll go to Atharva and then we'll go to Anthony Chris hello all right Matt

a couple questions what do you think's next for Kobe Coven and also how do you think George Hardwick would fare against the lightweets in the UFC

hmm that's a good question hmm I got to think about the Hardwick one let me pull that's that's a great question I think he'd

okay. I don't know if he's a top 15 guy, but again, that's okay. I'd like to see him get a shot though. Like, I, he's after that win in November, I don't think he needs to go on the contender series or anything like that.

I think this guy's established enough. I would love to see him just get a shot. I would like to see him get a shot in March on this pay-per-view. I don't know. Like, I don't know who you would throw him up, who you would throw him in there with right now, but I don't know. know, maybe he is a top 15 guy.

I don't know if he's fighting for a belt or anything, but dude's real solid. He could be in the mix with a lot of these guys. So yeah, I like that one. He's on a great run right now. He's a finisher. He's an exciting guy to watch. He can finish you everywhere.

I love the body work, too. This guy's very solid. So no contender series for this guy. He should just get a shot, especially when they go back in March. Put him on that pay-per-view card. I'd watch the hell out of that. Colby, I have no idea, man. Oh, and that reminded me of the other question.

The fight to make is Colby versus Hamzad? Like, I'd love, that's the one you have to do. That's the one you have to make. Someone asked earlier about Mazadol versus Edwards based on, there's a clip. Wonderboy did an interview. I forget the guy's name they did the interview with. And Wonderboy put out that.

He heard that Usman's, having surgery on his hand and that he's hearing Mazadol might, might hop in and fight for the belt. I know Henry Hoof just posted videos of Usman training and wrestling and seeming like his hand's fine. I know our own Damon Martin had reached out to some folks with knowledge of the situation. And verbatim, what was written was that's absolute bullshit. So not buying it.

Until, this is one of those situations where until, I don't think it's happening. I think we'll see you. I think we're going to see Edwards-Eusman 3. I have not seen anything or have, neither of us have been told anything otherwise. But I will tell you this, if something does happen and Usman isn't in that fight, we better be ready for a world where Jorge Mazadol is getting the title fight. It's just going to happen, my friends. It's the world we live in.

But I wouldn't worry about that right now from all indications. Bug hello. Bug, are you there? You just got to unmute yourself. Going once, twice. All right, try again. Let's go to Atharva. He's been waiting for a minute.

Atharva, are you there? You are muted as well. There we go. Hey, man. Great, great fan. I'm from India and I've been listening to all your podcast, and this is the first time I'm joining live here and it's been really, really great listening to you, Mike.

So my questions, yeah, so my question to you is, so basically there are four people in this picture right now, the light, heavyweight picture. And among which, after this draw, UFC have come to the conclusion that, you know, let us put someone for Glovertexia to fight in Brazil, and it's Jamahill. So I want to ask you that is it the right choice

to make who is fighting Glover Tashira here. I know. Glover deserves every shot. Right now, he's the man who has lost the most out of this picture. But is he the right man leaving aside the remaining three or four people who are included in this title picture? Who else you could have put into this fight versus Glover? Would have, would it be rackage or you think it's a right decision?

among the people who are left here? Good question. Yeah, I do think it's the right decision. Jamal Hill's on a tear. I haven't suggested it on the watch party, like as soon as the main event ended in a draw, just do Glover versus just pulled Jamal Hill from the Anthony Smith fight and just do that one.

I'm fine with it. Like, there's just, it's just tough because it's somewhat short notice. Jan and Ankelaif aren't getting back that quick. quickly, especially Ankylaev. I just feel like if you're going to get Glover on that card, Jamal's probably the way to go. Jamal's probably the way to go.

And I think it's an intriguing fight. It's one that I favor Glover in, but Jamal is a friggin monster. He hits so hard. But Glover's just a beast on the ground, man. It's going to be a really interesting fight. Yeah, I'm fine with it. it's just weird because you could have just done this in the first place.

Number one and number two, just think of the world we'd be living in right now if the UFC just did Glover versus Jan to begin with. We wouldn't be having this conversation right now. He went to Glover, said, hey, fight Ankleiv, said, no, I'll fight Jan. He just said, okay, what are we doing here? Like, what are we doing here? And as I told you on the show, and I think Jamal, revealed this on the M.M.

But I told you this when the fight was announced, Jamal Hill was being discussed to fight this past Saturday. I was told because we had confirmed the Anthony Smith fight, the matter was the date. Originally it was supposed to be March 25th. That was the first date that was thrown out. Then we were told by one source that,

well, actually it's going to happen March 11th. And then we were told by another source that, well, something else might be happening for UFC 282 that could feature Jamal Hill. Co-main event against somebody. We just don't know who yet. And I was like, okay, is Ankylaiath out of the fight? Is John Belhovic out of the fight?

Like, no one was talking, but I know Jamal was in discussions to fight at 282 in the co-main event against one of these guys. It turns out it was not, what any of us expected because it was Yuri Perashka who was hurt and now we were trying to figure out the main event and then Jamal would possibly fight the odd man out. So you could have done Jamal versus Ankhalyath, but I don't know if Jamal takes that fight on such short notice because it's just not all that appealing from a stylistic perspective. But if Glover had said yes to

fighting Ankoliath, then we would have got Jamal Hill versus Janbovovich. It's a very good chance that would have happened. But, or you could have just said, you know what? Let's just make Patty the freaking main event. And we'll just do Glover and, and Kaliath in Brazil. Like, I don't know. What's beautiful about all of this is that Glover ultimately won more than anybody at UFC 282 and he didn't even have to fight.

Isn't that the best? Don't you just love when that happens? And that's what happened. He's getting a pretty favorable matchup here, if we're being honest. it's just a strange time because even if Glover wins and I think he will win I don't think he's the best

he might be the third best 205 in the world like I want to see him in Yuri fight and I'm kind of rooting for Glover in a way not as like a fan or anything but just because that gives us the best path to the Yuri rematch because I actually felt that

once they rebooked this fight and Yuri was vacated the bell and Glover was kind of out of the title picture for a while, that this rematch was just never going to happen. I was preparing myself to live in a world where we didn't get that rematch. But now there's a chance. The problem is, I think,

and although the road is going to be a long one from Agamenekelaev, he will eventually get back there. And when he does, I think he will win the belt, and I think he's going to have a pretty significant reign as the champion. it's just not going to be the most thrilling run as a light heavyweight champion that we've ever seen

but I do feel I feel like Angola has a problem for almost everybody in this division even Yuri even Glover but yeah that fight was not at least Dana didn't think the fight was great

I thought that the fight was pretty damn good like the first three rounds were really compelling especially with Jan landing those light kicks and having Magamad pretty banged pretty banged up. And then Ankleyev was just like, oh yeah, I could just tackle this dude and win.

And he showed a, just an extremely glaring hole in Janbovish's game. So we'll see what happens at 205. It's, uh, Glover 1. The division as a whole probably didn't,

but Saturday was a pretty damn good night for Glover-Teshirea. Let's go to Anthony. Yo, heck of a good morning. You too. This sounds crazy, right? So try to stick with me. But two matchups to make

after last weekend, Till versus Jake Paul, and these matchups aren't going to make sense. I'm thinking out of the box. Till versus Jake Paul and Patty the Baddy versus Justin Gachie. And I didn't think about this for a little bit, but buddy who called in earlier was on to something.

I feel like you just got to, got to give him the top five opponent. And then hopefully he either has his McGregor moment or he doesn't. I mean, I'm not going to debate if he does or not. And I know everybody's going to have a strong opinion on that. We're not here to debate that. But I think that's the direction they would go because, I mean, why would they give, why would they give the rub to, like, you know, they can't really,

they can't give the rub to Grant Dawson. They can't give the rub to, I mean, maybe Jalen Turner, but, I mean, it's, it's tough. because, I mean, we're all looking at the patty matchup, like, oh, who do we want to match up? I mean, we just got to say fuck it at this point. And then with the Paul and Till fight, yeah, I know. Till, he kind of just needs a mental coach. I guess that's what everybody's saying, and it seems right. And I don't know who's a tie boxer.

I mean, I feel like the UFC might release him to go fight on some lower promotions, get some wins. I don't know. That makes more sense than just fucking fighting some up-and-coming. hungry-ass motherfucker. That's all. Thank you. Yeah, they won't do that. And they're not going to release Hill.

Because it's not like, look, that first round was rough. The third round was rough. But the second round, not so rough. Hill looked pretty good in the second round. He overcame a beating in the first. Like, you can see he has something. But he just, when the, when the,

when the lights are on and it's fight night, man, it's just not all there. So I don't know, I don't know what they're going to do with them. I honestly have no idea. It won't be Jake Paul, I can tell you that. Darren still has value. People still care about what he does. He's got a long road ahead of him.

But to me, I think he just needs to take this time off, be with his family. I don't know if he actually tore his ACL or not. He was saying that after the fight. I would like to see him go back to 170. Just get on that nutrition plan for a while and try to get down to 170 because he ain't, he's a,

he's not, like he's a big 170 here, but he's a super small 1805er. He's just not like, DuPat C just looks like 20 pounds bigger than him out there. And he's just getting chucked around. But I think Till's, I think the best path for Till is to fight at 170.

There's winnable fights. for him there. But it's just a matter of him of just kind of getting out of his own way. And Patty versus Gaichi, first of all, we know how that fight's going to go. It's going to go horrendously

for Patty Pimbley. And two, Gajy doesn't need the rub. Gagy's got the rub. You're just, you're just basically sacrificing Patty Pimbleau. If you're going to do that,

there's definitely different, there's definitely other matchups you could do. You want to do Moikano. He's an established name. He's starting to get over a little bit. You could do Turner, sure. You could do Tony Ferguson.

You could do Tony Ferguson. You could do Michael Chandler. Like Michael Chandler would actually make more sense. Gachy's like, I don't know. It's tough. Booking Patty is very, very difficult. But you could also, you have guys on the come-up. Like Terrence McKinney is a very popular dude.

So if he wins at UFC 283, I like that idea because Terrence has a great story. It's becoming a star. It has nothing to do with the UFC. Terrence has done this all by himself. Terrence has gotten his story over. Terrence has done all this on his own, his social media presence. This is all him. This is not the UFC pushing him.

This is Terrence pushing himself. Give him that fight. Give him that fight. And then if he wins, we can go from there. But, yeah, it won't be Gaichi. Because, again, all we're doing is, at that point, we're just stifling these guys who deserve these opportunities. Like, what else does Raphael Fiziv have to do to get a fight with a Justin Gaichie or Chandler?

Like, this guy has earned it. Patty hasn't. You know what? Throw Patty in with RDA. How about that? Throw him in there with RDA. let's see that i'm okay with that makes sense rda rda is a tough out it's not the conter fight that rda wants but it's kind of similar in some ways with the name value and the the attention it'll get

let's throw him in there with rda and see how he does it's tough to book him but gaitchie would kill him gaitchie would kill him michael hello michael he just got on mute oh oh oh we're lost you. All right. Let's go to full metal Pete. And I think we got to, I think we're going to be done after this. Pete, are you there? You're muted, Pete. Hello? Pete, what's up, man? I got you. What's up, guys? Yeah, I, um, I was thinking of, like, the 155 pitcher, like, as a whole. And I think that they need to, like, do something other than keep booking. It just seems like they got the rest of the star power out of Gaichi and these guys. They're still relevant, but, like, they need to start fighting these guys that are you know like you said fizzevs that would be a great fight for both

of them and i'm wondering when they're going to start putting these other guys in the mix like with the top five because the 155 pitcher just has been this wheelhouse of the same couple of fighters which has been great but i think it's like time to move on so like realistically what do you think happens in 2023 like title pitcher wise with the new talent that are starting to make names for themselves and that's all i really got thanks man so hopefully we get fizziv gaecie like hopefully we get to see if i like that because fazeve deserves it gaichi seems interested in it um i know gaiji has talked about i know when i spoke with gachi his ideal scenario was to fight on the london card him versus fzzi would be a pretty damn good main card fight for that london car

would it not love that idea and then it kind of just depends on where Chandler goes and you know will Chandler get the Connor fight will he fight before that what's Porre you're going to do are they going to do Porre v. Darius because

I mean just when you think Porre is kind of out of the conversation he goes and has a performance like he had in November and you're just like man this guy's really really good like he's just really really good So, yeah, it's just such a strange division, but it's going to be a while before we start to see the rise of some of these guys.

It's tough. I just think they're going to have to all fight each other. Like, we don't know what's going on Gregor Gillespie. That's an interesting name in the mix that we haven't seen in a while. What's Gamrock going to do next? Like, I just feel like the best way for these guys to get there is just going to have to eliminate each other. And it shouldn't be that way, but it's kind of where we're at right now. So hopefully we get Gaichi Fiziv.

If we get that, then I think maybe it could be the start of a bunch of dominoes falling. And I kind of hope that happens. But it's the best division in the sport. Steve, hello. Steve, you're there. You are muted. Let's move on. We'll go to J-Stat.

And then AA will close this out. J-Stat, hello. Yep. Okay, so what is the update on Francis versus Jones? I'm really looking forward to that fight. I feel somewhat hopeful, but I'm not sure. So, yeah, that'd be all. Thanks, man.

So I feel like those who've listened every week, we've been kind of following along with the tale here. Not much of an update from the last time we talked about this. Negotiations going well? from all accounts. It seems like we're trending in the right direction, but nothing's done. There's no like official offer on the table

because, again, we have contract stuff, we have injury stuff, and all of that. But from everybody I've spoken to, seems like everything's trending in the right direction. I'm not going to be like, hey, it's 100% done or anything like that, but I'm, I'm, how do I want to phrase this?

nothing's done or even like in the works or anything like that like that's what everybody wants everybody wants march fourth to do this fight all sides seem to be in we still have to take care of all this other stuff we don't know what francis is we don't know what the condition is we don't know if he's going to be physically ready for march but that's kind of what everyone's eyeballing here i'm going to say one to ten my confidence level in that fight happening march fourth and again not Nothing is done seven, maybe a little more than seven. And it could be higher, but we're dealing with a lot here. There's a lot of intangibles.

Like we mentioned, the injury, the contract, and then just John Jones in general, who is the ultimate wild card. But I feel like we're going to get that fight. I feel good about it. Am I going all in on it? Absolutely not. But I feel good about it. I know I'm not alone.

I know Ariel's talked about it as well a little after we've been talking about it for a few weeks. But like I said, all accounts. Talks are going well. Everyone seems to be somewhat on the same page. But still, we got, we still have hurdles to leap over. So hopefully by 283, that fight gets announced because of that point,

we're going to be like six weeks away. from it happening because January 21st right to March 4th and it's going to be it's going to be a hot and heavy start to 2023 some big ass fights going on let's go to double a hello double a good okay I've got two for you the first one is what what's your thoughts on Bobby green's comments at these media day press conferences he made up comments about the drugs thing and Islam possibly being on drugs when he was like 10 or something I believe he said And my second one is being, it's the last card of the year coming up. Just some highlights from you would be cool. Be cool. For me, probably number one will definitely be when looking back on this year when Leon won the belt because that was absolutely nuts. That's all I've got.

Have a great day, Mike. Everyone else, have a great day too. You're all awesome. Catch you on the flip side and peace. Thanks, man. Yeah, Leon has to probably be at the top of the list. just one of those moments where just makes you realize

why we love this crazy sport even with all the chaos and the ups and the downs a moment like that that's why we love the sport I would say Hamzad Gilbert Burns was one that I will remember for sure not even being in the arena watching that fight happen

just being in the back as that fight was happening I feel like if there's a freaking earthquake in the media as that fight was happening. We were watching it all going bananas in the media room. That fight in particular stands out to me for sure. Yuri Perhashka submitting Glover Tashira after maybe the most chaotic fight we've ever seen.

Those are definitely, Surukia on Gamrod as a fight is up there. Those are some moments. Yeah. There's a lot. Franzigano, Jesus. Francis beating Cyril Gahn on one leg and everything that came after that. Francis taking a stand.

Great highlight for me. Volcanovsky's year. The two title defenses, two of the all-time best UFC title defenses in the history of the company. In my opinion, two perfect games. There's a lot to like. A lot to like this year. Definitely.

I forget your other question. Jesus. So much going on. Football 512. Let's see if we can get you in here, and then I have to go after this. It's spinning. Do we have them?

Nope. Couldn't get them. Okay. All right. Well, you know what? We'll take one more. Barbarusa. What you got, man?

Good. How are you? I'm good. I just want to ask about the Yiri. I heard Yeri, and that was it. Oh, I figured out Double A's another question. Bobby Green

at the media day. Just kind of Bobby being Bobby. I like the opening thing talking about the suspension and his name kind of being dragged through the mud. Very passionate dude. Islam stuff is I mean, just allegations

up the wazoo, but it's Bobby being Bobby. This is a very, fight for Bobby. And I think 20, if he wins, 20, 23 is going to be a really interesting one as well. Because Jed and I have been talking about this for a while. If there's going to be another sort of Mazadol-esque type of move anywhere in MMA and in the UFC,

where like a wily vet who people have sort of been backing and, following along with for a while, just all of a sudden just catches lightning in a bottle and just gets something cooking and it's real big, I feel like Bobby Green could be that guy. I feel like Bobby can be the guy. He's in a tough, tough division. But I feel like he goes out there and has a moment here,

comes back in 2023 and just gets a couple of finishes. Like I feel like he could be that dude. And I feel like he's been knocking on that door. and just he's run into I mean of course he ran into Islam Machachas and that's never fun but I feel like I feel like he's right there

for something big to happen like a late career resurgence that people are just going to be into could be him we'll see what happens with Drew Dober but he's a personality man guy is a personality to say the very at least but we are done thank you very much

and no show tomorrow like I said That's when the vacay starts. Plan is, week from today, we'll knock out a show. Basically, it'll be sandwiched in between two trips. So, yeah, so off to Boston tomorrow, back Wednesday night. Maybe we'll hop in and do one of these on Thursday, and then off to my parents in Florida on Friday for the next five or six days, and then back at it.

But we have so much content coming away, don't worry about BTL 1 p.m. Eastern coming up later on today on the YouTube channel. So check that out. Just me and Jed shooting the breeze. All your typical fight week stuff going down, preview show, post-fight show, People's Free Fight Show, on to the next one. All that stuff happening, even without me. So don't you worry about that.

Awards coming up in a couple of weeks. We'll have you prepared for that with the show and write-ups and all that fun stuff. And the award should be fun this year. some of them are obvious but narrowing down to five for all these categories is going to be kind of tricky because there's a lot of good options for fighter of the year and KO and rookie and submission and fight a lot of good stuff to go through so you guys are the best thank you very much back next thursday enjoy the fights this weekend everybody have a heck of a morning a heck of a week heck of a weekend we'll see you later Media Podcast Network.