MMA Fighting - HOAM | Is Jon Jones vs. Stipe Miocic Bigger Fight Than Israel Adesanya vs. Alex Pereira?

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

Israel Adesanya's next title defense will likely be against longtime combat sports rival Alex Pereira. Would the potential middleweight title matchup trump the return of Jon Jones against Stipe Miocic in a possible interim heavyweight championship bout? On an all-new Free-For-All Friday edition of Heck of a Morning, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck answers that question in regards to which fight would be a bigger headliner for the UFC's return to Madison Square Garden should the promotion head back to the mecca in November. In addition, listener questions include the stakes of Saturday's UFC Vegas 58 between Rafael dos Anjos and Rafael Fiziev, who Conor McGregor could fight when he is cleared to return, which famous Boston sports athlete could've made a great UFC fighter, fans saying journalists and analysts shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on fights if they've "never fought before," and much more. You can listen live to Heck of a Morning Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays at 10 a.m. ET on the MMA Fighting Twitter Spaces. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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On this Friday, July 8th, 2022, hope everyone's having a fantastic Friday. I am Mike Heck. Appreciate everybody joining us live or later on on the NBA Fighting Podcasting Network. We are on the eve of UFC Vegas 58, which goes down tomorrow at the beautiful, very lively UFC Apex. We have one hell of a main event in the UFC's lightweight division. The battle of the, it's Raphael versus Hafeel, I guess. and we have to figure out some sort of gimmick on what's at stake here. Someone's got to change their name.

The UFC should have promoted this thing. They should have done something with that. But it's... Hafiel Dos Andros versus Raphael Fizzis. Love that fight. A very competitive card otherwise. Not filled with star power, but still should be a fun event.

We're still kind of on the hangover of UFC... next week, big event on ABC in Long Island or on Long Island, as I was told is the appropriate term. Then it's London. Then it's UFC 277 in Dallas. So we are in the midst of a very busy stretch in the world of the ultimate fighting championship in MMA in general. Today, ladies and gentlemen, it is a free-for-all Friday, which means we can talk about MMA, we can talk about the UFC, we can talk about anything. Whatever you want to talk about, we can get after it. And no question is a bad question because as we know, since the pandemic started a couple years ago, the sport has grown exponentially in terms of the fan base. Some people are newer to the

sport. There are some things that people are learning about now that maybe they weren't aware of. So I want to start with a question I got on Twitter real quick because they wanted to be here. Couldn't Bill Fisher ask, help me out. I can't make heck of a morning, but I wanted to know what the difference is between ESPN Plus and UFC Fight Pass. Do they really expect you to buy both and pay for the pay-per-view? So good question, Caleb.

As I've said many times in the show and on other shows, being an MMA fan is great, but it's also very expensive. It is not cheap to be an MMA fan. In fact, it costs more money. if you don't buy a UFC pay-per-view, it costs more money to watch Bellator than it does to watch the UFC.

That's not buying the pay-views because you have to watch Bellator and Showtime. As my best friend, A.K. Lee, will tell you in Canada, you can just watch it on YouTube, so it doesn't cost you anything. But here in the United States, it's $10.99 a month for Showtime. It's $6.99 a month for ESPN Plus. And, I mean, with Showtime, you get shows and you get movies and stuff like that.

ESPN Plus, you get other ancillary programming. You get, I watch golf. Sometimes there's NBA games, it's major league baseball games, all sorts of different things, 30 for 30s. So both are worth it. But if you're just watching it for MMA, it's more expensive to watch Bellator that it is the UFC. And you get way more UFC events than you get Bellator events.

You get maybe one Bellator event a month and it costs you 1099 a month. You have C might get three fight night cards a month. But the difference between ESPN Plus and UFC FightPass is if you're just getting, like if you're just getting one to watch the UFC, then just get ESPN Plus because you get a lot of the old fights on ESPN Plus. A lot of the prelims, they call them the FightPass prelims for pay-per-view events, but you can watch those on ESPN Plus as well. So if you are just a giant MMA fan and you are like a Caposa and you have to watch everything,

then I still have Fight Pass. I still have fight pass. I watch a lot of regional MMA, a big fan of CES, Titan FC's on there, CFFC, Mazadol's promotion icon is on there, Anthony Pettis' promotion is on there, Uriah Fabor's promotion is on there,

like there's a ton of regional MAA. There's grappling, there's boxing, there's all sorts of stuff. So, fight pass, if you're just watching the FC, you just need ESPN Plus. There's some things in the first. fight past like past catalogs that you don't get on ESPN plus but a lot of the stuff a lot of the major fights you'll get out of ESPN plus if you really search for them but if you have to choose

one or the other if you just focusing on the UFC and not focusing on anything else stick with the ESPN plus it's cheaper at 699 but if you want everything I have both I enjoy both but I have fight pass mostly for the regional stuff like there's a certain fighter where I think is on the cusp of doing big things and it's about to make it to the UFC, I'll go and watch their fights if they're on FightPass. So you get a lot of value with FightPass. But if you're just focusing on the UFC, just stick with the SPM Plus, in my opinion. All right, let's get after this thing. Free for all Friday. Melvin, who? With the question mark. Melvin, how are you, man? Let's make sure you're on mute. Melvin, get on mute. All right, try again, Melvin. Let's get James in

air. James, this is up, buddy. Good. I just want to, before I give you my question, since you were talking about five pass, for people that are new to this wonderful, amazing sport, like cancel your showtime, don't watch Bell Tour, get five pass. LFA is one of the best regional promotions. Like, you can watch.

I love LFA so much. But with this main event coming up, another thing that I really love, do you see? the winner of this fight, they win in spectacular fashion, could maybe leapfall, leapfrog themselves into a title fight because it doesn't look like Olivera wants to fight Islam. And maybe if that happens, they just take one of the winners of Saturday's card and have them in an interim fight with Islam. I'm not sure on Darayusha's injury.

And also is cereal a soup. Thank you, Mike. have a heck of a morning. Thank you for all you do, man. And have a good weekend. Thanks, buddy. I don't consider cereal a soup. I think soup has to be hot.

I know there's what, gazpacho, I think that's called. It's cold soup, but it's terrible and disgusting and gross. But soup should be hot 100%. In terms of the stakes of this main event, maybe the winner gets just a gaichi? Maybe Desipore.

I don't know. It's probably one of those two guys. I don't think the stakes are as high as get. I don't think there's a title shot on the line here. If there's a case to be made for a title shot, maybe RDA, but just because he's been there before, there's a story there, the getting back to it, but I don't think the stakes are that high.

Maybe Darius, but we'll see what happens. There's so many unknowns, but Fizzi versus Porier or Fizier versus Gachi would be fireworks. be fantastic. I don't want to see either guy like fight a Tony Ferguson or anything like that. Yeah, I would say puts them in a spot where there may be a win or two away. But I don't know. Matush Gamrott's there as well.

So maybe like you could do Fizib Gamrott. I don't know. It's a big fight. I mean, it's huge. You can't take a step back in this division. It's too much chaos going on right now. And now you have other guys on the come up. Demir's Wago.

off. Jalen Turner just had a big win on Saturday. So it's very difficult to take a step back right now. Losing a fight in this division is very bad. It's very bad. Now, of course, time can heal all wounds, but that's a lot of time for either of these guys loses, especially if RDA loses. I would say the stakes are higher for RDA. Fazeve

still on the come-up. He's going to learn a lot from this fight either way. wins huge loss stinks but it's not the end of the world but rda probably needs us one more let's go to viny vinny viny hello viny make sure you unmute hmm don't hear you buddy try again we'll get you right in you skip the line how about that we'll go to viking m m m a usually takes a few seconds before the connection happens there he is hi buddy there you are What's up?

I couldn't get the chance to watch the last night YouTube live, right? You and Jard Mishu was there. But I started watching it by T.M. And when I came home from the work, and that show is nothing without you, Mike. I wore the show because you are the host of the show. But man, that guy, Jard Mishu and you, but especially he impressed.

me a lot last night, the Jed Mishu. You guys have some serious study about fighters and stats and deep knowledge of UFC and let me tell you that. And the way Jard Mishu presented the analysis was absolutely outstanding. I mean, the pound-for-pound rankings and things about Arisania, Wolf, Federal Division, McGregor, Markachev, I mean, that guy is legitimate, honest about his analysis. It was like, you know, the fight of the night kind of material. Obviously, he's the best analyst, but after you, and the same thing goes for Alex Lee.

should have been there. I mean, I like you that analysis the same way, and that's why I'm a fan of you and you guys and your guys. And that's why I never

suffered guys like Chelson. I love you, brother. Without you, that show is nothing. Keep up doing the good work. You're the mad, Viking M&A. Thank you so much. I appreciate the kind words. Yes, he's talking about

B.TL, we did sort of a roundtable episode. It was just Jed and I. We basically just hit record and got after it. There's no weird sort of an idea of where we're going to go. There's really no format. We just kind of just shot the breeze. And I love doing that show with Jed. He's, I knew the first time he was on BTL that he has to be on as much as possible,

if not every single week. Because he is, he is who he is. That's why Nicknamed him Mr. No Gray area, Mr. Hot-Tay. the guy just gives no Fs at all. He's just going to say what's on his mind. And I feel like a lot of us do that. Jed does it more so than anybody else. I will say one thing that drove me a little crazy

reading the comments from that episode because I normally don't read comments, but without Casey, I had to produce it and whatever the platform that we use and I get to see the comments that they come up. There is one comment in particular that pisses me off to no end. And that is, well, you've never fought before.

So who are you to judge anything about these fighters or say anything about these fighters? What the hell are you talking about? What are you talking about? In the NFL analyst, if Tom Brady throws four interceptions in an NFL game and the NFL analyst who's never played a down to football says that Tom Brady had a bad game, Are we really going to go out to this guy and just say, hey, you never played football before? You never played in the NFL. Who are you to talk about Tom Brady having a bad game?

What are you talking about with that? I have eyes. I know what I'm watching. I was there. I know what I saw throughout the week. So if I feel like Jared Kennedy-R was a little flabbergasted by the media day and all the obligations that took place during Fight Week, I have pretty good knowledge of that because I saw it my own eyes. I am allowed to say things.

I'm allowed to criticize. I'm allowed to critique. I've earned the rights. So what if I haven't fought? I have I've watched the sport for a long time. If I feel that somebody had an off night, it didn't perform well, I damn well can say that. Same as you.

You can go on Twitter and say whatever you want. You could go on Twitter and say that Adasadhi was boring. You could left the arena. You could say whatever you want. It's okay for you to say it on Twitter. I don't sit there and go after you and say, oh, well, you've never fought before. You're allowed to have an opinion. You can have an opinion.

And if I think somebody had it off night, I'm going to say it. And if somebody had a great day, I'm going to say that too. I'm pretty positive. When did I ever say that somebody stinks? Like, did I say at any point that Jared Kandinar stinks? No, he's a great fighter. He had a rough week. He had a tough fight.

Is it fair for me to say that he's more to blame for that fight than Adasanya? Yes, it's more than fair because I saw it. I was there. I was there. I watched Canada Air all week get sort of rattled by the moment. That's what I saw. And I'm allowed to have an opinion. So for those of you who continue to paint this narrative that people who cover the sport

are not allowed to critique anything or anybody because we don't fight. That is dumb. That's a dumb take. And you can disagree with all you want. That's fine. But I stand by that opinion 100%. This is what we do. Nobody else in any other sport

Who analyzes the sport has to deal with that But at MMA we have to deal with it Because we cover the sport Because we've never got the octagon Thought somebody we're not allowed to have an opinion That's so stupid What are we supposed to do What are we supposed to do?

We're just supposed to sit there and be like Oh God These guys are And we're very positive with MAA fighting We're very positive Sometimes things are done That are out in the public That are bad

Like I'm not talking about fighting I'm talking about things that are done on their own time. Arrests, terrible things that are done outside of the octagon. But we're allowed to critique what's happening in the octagon. We are. We are. So that take is terrible. If you disagree with me, I don't care.

But in my opinion, that's just a terrible take. If you don't like it, I don't know what to tell you. But every other sport on earth has analysts that maybe competed in that sport in, like, elementary school. I'm sure there's soccer analysts who probably played soccer at some point, but they didn't play in a major league. They didn't play at a super high level, but they have a job to do. They're knowledgeable of it.

But no one says, oh, you never played pro soccer before, so you can't judge it. Like, that's just such a dumb take. But other than that, most people don't say that, but I saw that a lot yesterday, and it really pissed me off. Black Friday is here at IKEA,

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That was awesome Just I agree with you totally I'm here Boston Mike Just came out for a minute I apologize I just wanted to say I completely agreed

With that entire rant And I love the passion You're fired up today Keep it going Thank you That's it All right Thank you

Let's go to Vinnie I'm a man of my word Vinnie Are you there Come on baby Come on Vinnie Hey, Mike, heck of a morning. We got it.

Indeed. Sorry about that. I was off. It's all good. The microphone was going crazy here. So, yeah, I just wanted to a quick point out about the, you were talking about the UFC, how expensive it is. I do have a fire stick, and I do have this, it's called NB streams. I don't know if you guys ever heard of it.

I found it on Twitter as a matter of fact. And I'm able to get all the paper views. I'm able to get the UFC fights. I'm sorry, UFC fight pass. And I'm able to get the ESPN Plus all for whatever I pay them on, $35 a month. So that's one of the things that's beneficial about that. And the other thing is UFC fight pass. What is so good about that?

I mean, is that just all fighting? Yeah, I mean, first of all, the fires to comment. But I don't know if, hopefully Dana White's out listening right now because I'm sure. I assume there's a lot okay with that, but maybe there's things aren't okay with that. I don't know. But good for you. You're spending way less money than most. Fight pass, again, fight pass is just, I mean, there's just tons of MMA, tons of it.

And I didn't mention LFA before, but LFA is another great example. LFA is there. CFFC, CES. A lot of these promotions that send fighters to the UFC are. the contender series, just really good prospects, or former UFC fighters, fight on those cards. And they do a really good job on those broadcasts.

A lot of times you get fighters on the broadcast teams, like Combat FC, which was the old WFC, which took place at Wilmington, Massachusetts, by the way. I saw John Jones fight Paca Porter live at WFC a long time ago. but that promotion is now rebranded came back like five or six years later called Combat FC

they had their first event same venue as the John Jones Paco Poeta fight and it's just cool to see guys like Joe Cav like just keep doing the damn thing like Randy Costa was on commentary and like I said CFFC is great

so many fighters from CFFC have come to the UFC just look at Sean Brady Jeremiah Wells Jazz of Jazz DeVizius Chris Boutino's last fight for the UFC was it CFFC you know pretty much the whole gracey Philly team was in CFFC at some point so you got to watch Brady and Wells and Pat Sabatini and guys like that so it's basically

there's other shows and stuff like a lot of a lot of like the fighters who have their own podcast now a lot of them are on are on flight pass as well so I mean there's stuff to find if you just want to watch fights and just look at the regional scene and look at some of the up-and-comers cage warriors are there as well forgot to mention them but I mean you're stuff to find I mean, there's just so much MMA. Like, if you just need it all the time, like, if there's no UFC card, you can go to Fight Pass, and it's probably like three or four live events during the weekend. The fight, they had a grappling event on Sunday, International Fight Week.

Jose and I went to it at the apex. The Fight Pass invitational. So there's something for everybody, really. But again, if you're just focusing on the UFC, you just want to watch UFC, I would, I'd probably go at the ESPN Plus. But Fight Pass is very valuable if you want to check out sort of the next generation. a fighter. Let's go to

Chaco. What's up, buddy? Hi, I'll have about you. Good are you. Now, I have a very thick and strong Scottish accent. So if you want,

I can do this as Connor McGregor, if you wish. Yes, you do have a strong Scottish accent, my man. What do you? What do you? What do you?

You or a killer show that a fokens knife in India. that's really good man that's really good keep going keep going listen we'll be back when we're folk on back right but not spoken smash every monie you

call and I'm going to join I did this like see killer show that's a good friend of mine right we're in the Twitter slash Spotify MMS community because I live in Scotland right most times the MMA Winger show goes on about maybe two

three, four a.m. And I'll wake up and go, Ariel Hulani, Chuck Mendenhall, and Pete C. Carroll, I invited you to speak. And I'm like, shoo-y-de-a-boast. Focan, miss him again. I remember Killer Shaw, he's probably just waking up Monday, right?

The very first time we ever had an interaction as that, fucking Kirishaw, foken snig in India, fucking strangled that cone. Ah, Jocko. Great impression. man. Great, great job.

You don't want you a fucking approval, eh? Moiseer. Moiseer of M&A foe can never

fuck a fucking dying your loose now. You have to turn out one. Ah, you're the band.

I'm a pleasure. Thank you very much for having you on. And also, I think genuinely, the man that

mentioned about the fire stick, I think he's been ripped off. I pay 65 pounds for a year. I'll just say,

I'll say that McGregor speak. 64 Nicker for a year, yeah. And that gave me all of the fucking, mate, I paid literally, in fact, in the last year.

In fact, I've seen the Wilder Fury trilogy and every UFC pay-per-view in the last three years for less than $150. Damn.

Fogne. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he's a big ball. Boston crinkly. Yeah. You're the man.

Thank you so much for hopping in. I mean to just blast you out of there like that. But Jocko, well done. Great impression. Stupendous work. Yeah, awesome stuff. Killshaw. Killishaw is the man,

said kind things, and I appreciate that. James McDonald, let's go. Heck of a morning to you, Mike. Indeed. How are you? Good. Thanks. Hey, I'm not going to push any potentially nefarious methods of watching any fights.

I'm just a poor sap who's paying full price. But I wanted to piggyback on what Vikings said earlier. And well, and what you said actually, because I think it's such a stupid comment. So like no one that fought in the Civil War is still alive. So are we never supposed to talk about it? Again, like when SpaceX shoots a, you know, when they have a space mission, are only astronauts supposed to report on it? Can only presidents report on, you know, what the president is doing? It's just a really stupid thought process. So the haters are going to be the haters. I thought that it was a great episode.

And I really thought that Jeds break down of how he does the pound for pound ranking. was pretty fascinating. And honestly, it made me kind of reevaluate how I look at that as well. So I thought it was a great episode. Keep doing what you're doing. So since Boston Mike came out earlier, I want Boston Mike to come out again. And I wanted you to give me the past or present Boston athlete

from one of the big four sports, hockey, baseball, basketball, or football, that you would like to see get in the cage. Wow, what a question. I mean, I think I've been asked something similar to this before, but like, and this is going to sound weird. I think Larry Bird would have been a great, Larry Bird would have been a great fighter because he was tough.

He talked an incredible amount of shit and got in people's heads. And like, who's going to take Larry Bird seriously? Like, you look at Larry Bird. He's the old garbage man from French lick Indiana. No one's got to take him seriously until it's time for you to take him seriously. He was such a savage. I'll go to Larry Bird.

I bet Kevin Garnett could scrap. PJ Stock, who was like the Bruids enforcer. I wasn't even really enforcer. They just brought him out to fight people. Milan Luchich would have been pretty good fighter. I think. Dania Chara is just a monster. Just a large human being.

Just plenty, but I'm going with Larry Bird. I'm going to Larry Bird because I feel like no one would take him seriously and he would just kick ass. Let's go to Fab. What's up, Fab? Just make sure you unmute and we will get you on. Good morning, Mike. How are you? Good, how are you?

Good, buddy. Good, good, good. Hey, just wanted to ask you, man, as someone who's interested in getting into the space of, you know, hosting a show with MMA content and pretty much what you're doing now, just kind of, you know, hearing people out, talking to people and, you know, just sharing. Do you listen back to your shows once you're done and also, you know, once you're done recording and all that for any, I guess, you know, just. just self-criticism. And then along with that, any advice you can give as someone who's, you know, who's in the field yourself? Thanks, man.

No problem. Do I go back and listen to my stuff? Very, I guess I kind of have to when I produce certain things, but I hate doing it. Absolutely hate it. I am my own worst critic. And I've literally gotten to the point where I hate, I'm so annoyed by my own voice.

you know what I mean like it's just so many hours of talking especially like last week by the time fight night by the time the fight started on Saturday I was like I don't want to hear myself talk anymore I did a three hour stream on Saturday at Radio Row which wasn't supposed to be three hours I was going to just stream it for an hour and just whatever fighters showed up on Radio Row we're just going to do it and then it ended up being a three hour show because I got there hit record the thing was supposed to start at 9 a.m. local time and we didn't get a, I started the stream at 10 a.m. I was there the day before. Nothing happened in the first hour. And then nothing happened in that first hour again. So I waited an hour to stream it and then nothing happened. I just took questions for an hour.

Then we got a wave of fighters. I had cater and fonts sit next to me. We just did like a fan Q&A for 30 minutes, which is super cool. And then once they were gone, like we had another hour and nothing happened. So I was getting ready to wrap up the show and UFCPR is like, eh, probably not a good idea because we're bringing in some more people. We're bringing in Yuana. We're bringing in Chris Wyden. They mentioned Michael Chandler, but Chandler didn't come. They mentioned other names. I'm like, all right, we'll keep going. And then we just kind of kept going. And by the time the fight started, I was like, oh, my voice. I don't want to talk anymore. I don't want to hear myself speak anymore. But, you know, I don't like to go back and listen to

my stuff. Sometimes I have to because I produce most of the stuff that we do. So I have to go back and at least listen to some things. If I know something needs to be there are certain things with the Wi-Fi or anything like that. I have to go back and listen to cut them out. But in terms of just doing stuff and just wanting to get content, just be consistent. If you say you're going to do something, do it. Don't just be like, oh, I'm going to do two episodes, but it doesn't have like a billion downloads. I'm just going to stop doing it. And then wait three weeks. weeks and put another episode. No. Finds, like, try to put out something every week. James Lynch does a great job of sort of ironing out different things you could do.

So I would go to his YouTube page. He says it as well as I could, if not better. So go check out his stuff, but just find a niche and stick with it. Find something different. If you're going to do interview fighters, interview everybody. Like, seriously, if you're going to interview fighters, if you're going to do what, you know, I kind of do what, what Helani does, like, don't expect Potta McGregor to come on your show. Don't expect a UFC champion to come on your show.

Probably for the first several months, don't expect a UFC fighter to come on your show. Speak to the regional fighters, find a local promotion near you who they're looking for a little bit of promotion, a little bit of a rub, so to speak, reach out to their PR person,

and start interviewing their fighters, former relationship. One person I've worked with the years, and this was outside of all, was, was Ed Cap. Ed Cap, who does, he does PR for BKFC now. He's like one of the co-PR guys. CES. He now does PR for Arridium Sports, who they have like 100 fighters in the UFC, like

literally 100 fighters in the UFC. But I built a relationship with Ed when he was doing PR for CES. back in like 2016 and he's been great to me. I've been great to him. Just don't over promise, but always over deliver, if that makes sense. Don't say I'll do 44 interviews, but then just not do it.

Be like, I'll talk to this person, talk to this person, just always show up, always get it done, and always stay consistent. And just do it, man. Just do it and realize that. I mean, it took me six years to actually get an opportunity. opportunity like a real good opportunity like here at m if i took me six years and i busted my

ass for a long time worked multiple jobs two three jobs certain points and just did this on the side days or i got no sleep i would go work two or three jobs and then like three in the morning i'd go to the studio and like record an interview or edit an interview or do something so it's a grind embrace it and just don't stop doing it like if you really want to do this If this is what you want to do, just know that it ain't going to be easy. There's a long road, but the sport continues to grow. So if you have that attitude and just want to keep going and just keep grinding and just work harder or just work as hard as you can, out hustle everybody, then you got a shot. And also be humble.

Don't be that guy because it drives me crazy. don't be that guy that like after doing five inter... I'm the next area of Hulani. The next big thing. Like just be humble and don't be an asshole. And I think that's going to help you. Let's go to... Stephen Ramirez.

Stephen, how are you, my man? So I just wanted to speak on what you mentioned before in regards to the criticism of us fans. Or for yourself, for example, that has such a platform to criticize a fighter. I think there's a misconception. And the misconception is that you have fans that just like the violence, and you have fans that actually respect and appreciate the art and skills

that a fighter brings to the octagon or any ring. And that's what we are. That's what I consider myself. And I think that's what the misconception would just give us the eye. Like, well, you've never been in the ring. You never been in the cage. Well, that's not what it is. I appreciate everything.

and I'm able to give my two cents as far as what I thought on the fight. It's the same concept where people talk about a fighter probably won't be a good commentator. A fighter probably won't be a good writer. So I understand

it comes from because I get that a lot of them to such a big M&A fan. And I have to constantly say, I'm not in for the violence. I respect the art and the skill set. So I just wanted to speak on that. Yeah, man. I mean, and that's the tough thing

because I say this a lot. MMA fans are the best and the worst at the same time. Trust me what I tell you. And I know Crystal is in this room right now. I got to meet her at the Halwani meetup. I mean, her and like a lot of the other people that I met out there, just tremendous people. I mean, just the best.

Being at that event Friday and just, I know everybody was there for Halwani, but just like showing up there and like talking to. to people was the best. It was just the best. And I was just like, man, I am so lucky right now. It was just so cool.

And then on the flip side, like the fans could just be so bad. Like everyone giving Pedro Munoz a bunch of crap saying he quit when he was beating shot O'Malley. It's just dumb. It's just dumb. And then on the same token, like, you're not allowed.

People saying, like, I'm not allowed to have an opinion because I never fought. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. Trust me when I tell you, growing up in Boston, I got in fights. All right? I never fought at Octagon, but I got in fights as a young man.

So it's not like I've never been in a fist fight. But still, like, this is what I do for a living. So I have to watch things. I have to analyze them. And sometimes it's great. And you, like, look at Volcanovsky. I came out of Saturday saying Volcanowski's the best fighter on planet Earth. But on the same token, I felt like Jared Kenanier didn't show up on Saturday.

I felt like he kind of got in his own head throughout the week. And that's fine. And I'm not saying Canada's a bad fighter. He just had a bad night. He had a bad week. Not everybody can handle the weight of being a UFC champion. And there's nothing wrong with that. There have been many fighters who have had success.

Jessica, Donald Seroni, had successful careers. More so, Seroni, both fought for titles. Soroni is a fan favorite. Almost got to 50 fights in the sort of zonels. Zufa monopoly there between WEC and UFC. Guy had a phenomenal career. A phenomenal career. He didn't win a title.

He didn't need to. Max Hollowey doesn't need to be a world champion ever again. He doesn't need it. Some people just don't want it. Rose Damienis has talked about in the past how much the weight of that title just wore her down. Not everyone can be a world champion. People always say, oh, my dream is to be a UFC champion.

And then you realize what that all entails. It's not just, you don't just have a belt and then just show up on a Saturday night to fight. No, you have, like, fight week for Canada Air must have been the craziest week of his life. Media days, media obligations, tons of interviews, photo shoots, press conferences, more interviews, weigh-ins, more interviews,

ceremonial weigh-ins, more interviews, all of that. That's, like, you realize when you fight for the belt, that fight week, you're just like, man, this is a lot and some fighters thrive in that situation like adasani is great loves it volkovsky's great loves it other fighters great they love that stuff but other fighters are just like holy crap i was not ready for this is this is what being a champion's all about maybe it's not for me not like i believe it what i'm saying it's it's not like canadaer wasn't trying to be the champion but sometimes that stuff just weighs on you emotionally

and it affects your physical performance. It just happens. It happens in all of sports. All sports are like that. Sometimes you just have a rough week. Sometimes you have a bad night. It happens. No one's saying cannoneers a bad fighter.

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I have to. Zeke, what's up, buddy? I'll be short and sweet. Shout out the Red Sox and Rafi DeVos for scaring the shit out of me yesterday because that was a scary game. However, we got your number right now, even though you had our number last season.

I'm not going to eat my words in October. Anyway, not happy birthday, AK. He hooked me up Tuesday because he, you know, let me know that heck in the morning was going on a break. and I was, you know, mentally going crazy because I was like, who am I going to take my, you know, UFC MMA combat sports takes to because Mike Heck is, you know,

kind of like my therapist. So that being said, you got to sit back and listen because I haven't gotten anything out from this past card. And honestly, I don't know, man. I feel like I'm not disappointed in Izzy, but I feel like there's a better style bender in there. And I feel like if he would have knocked out Catanir and he would have done everything that, you know,

Israel Adizan, Israel, Adizania, we know that he can do. He'd have so much confidence going to this Pereira fight. And now I feel like everybody's just going to keep running that clip and keep running those two different decisions, the one where Pereira won and then the knockout, which obviously he does go back and watch it. And after he did watch it, you know, Izzy did have his moments in that kickboxing fight.

But man, this Pereira guy is scary. And I don't know if he's going to do it. I don't know if all the hype's real. But goddamn, Mike, we're going to find out. I would love to hear what you think about that. And then secondly, I'd love to always kind of put this on a T for you, the main event this weekend. I think it's a fun one. I mean, you already brought it up.

Fizier versus Rafael de Sanchez. I think that Fizier is a huge favorite for some reason. I'm not sure why it's minus 205 or minus 10 on that side. I think that as the fight goes longer and longer, it's better for Mr. Dosanchos. It is a five-round main event. It is, you know, there should be some serious violence going on on Saturday night. So, yeah, what is your thought process for you?

that and early look-aheads for Pereira-Aazania because if Dana White had his choice, that fight would be tomorrow. But of course, he doesn't have his choice. He's going to sit back and wait and we'll see when we see that. Thank you, Mike. Have a heck of the morning. And yeah, let's enjoy the weekend of fights. Thank you, Zique.

Yeah, the Adasani one's tough. Like, again, and I mentioned, and I did do a show on Tuesday. I was off, but I was, um, I don't blame Adasani for that fight. I don't. Because I think everybody, including Adasad, expected Canaanir to come with a different kind of a game plan, that almost Gastilum-esque game plan where you can't have a technical kickboxing match with Izzy.

You have to go in there and try to brawl with him. You have to make them uncomfortable. You have to do things that he's not used to seeing in there. But when Canaaner turned this into a mid-range kickboxing match, like what do you expect Adasani to do? You know what I mean? Like, what do you expect him to do? And I make this comparison all the time.

Steph Curry is a wide open three. What is he supposed to do? Not take it? Of course he's going to take it. So if you're going to give Izzy, what do you? If you're going to give Izzy an easy win, that he's going to take it. He's going to take it all the time.

He's not going to do anything out of the ordinary. Why would he? Especially knowing what's to come. Fight with Pereira is huge. It's a huge fight. A fight with Strickland would have been huge. Either way. You know what I mean?

And again, and you made a good point, Zieg, just going back and watching the Adasania prayer kickboxing matches. Anasani won the first fight, in my opinion. I don't know. He won the first fight. He got hosed. He got hosed. It was like Chris Lee was doing the judging. Like three Chris Lees were judging that fight.

I thought Adasani won the first fight. And the second fight, Anasani was winning until he got knocked out. Until he got knocked out. So, I don't know. I can't wait to see it, though. I can't wait see what kind of game plan Pereira brings to the table. And Pereira is fun because nothing rattles this guy. Nothing rattles him.

I don't think the fight week will be too big for him at all. As a matter of fact, he stole him and Strickland both, sort of stole the thunder from the main events and the co-main event throughout the week. We don't like to peel back the curtain all that often on MMA fighting, but the interest was on the Strickland-Perera fight more so than the main event, than the Co-Main event. It was all about Strickland Pereira.

Barrera had a lot to do with that, too. It wasn't just Strickland at Media Day and at the press conference. Before that, it was the Pereira-Striclin fight. Got all the attention. It was basically not to the... It wasn't to the level of Tony Ferguson, Michael Chandler, and that card in Phoenix,

because that one stole everything. but this was this was basically like a little bit similar where the two title fights yeah people were excited about him but more people were excited about the middleweight fight between Pereira and Shirkland I can't wait to see it I can't wait see what it's about Adasani and there were two guys who with a guy who's two wins over him how is he going to deal with that I think he's going to be hungry I think he's going to be ready but also don't be shocked if it's not like the most thrilling fight. Both are very tactical.

And I don't know what Pereira will do outside of what he typically does. I mean, Strickland just kind of went after him and got knocked out for it. I don't think Adasani is going to do that. So the fight week build should be fun. The fight will be interesting from more of a mental standpoint

than a physical standpoint. Like how is Adana's got to deal with that? Fighting a guy he's got technically two losses against, but I still feel like he's still, I still feel like you won the first kickboxing fight and he was winning the second one until he got caught. So I'm excited to see it. Yeah, the main event this weekend's awesome.

Can't wait to see it. RDA versus Zeev and I agree with you, Zique. Longer the fight goes, more it favors RDA. No doubt about it. Rips and picks. Hello. Make sure you on mute. Hey, what's up, Mike?

Here we go. Hey, buddy. There's a little delay when I come in, didn't realize. Shoot, heck of a morning, man. I just wanted to start off and just keep it short with you. It seems like there's a lot of dogs this week. I mean, we got RDA, we got Armin Petrogyn. We got Michael Johnson.

Just a lot of dogs, I feel like, that everyone's bouncing back and forth with this week. Just curious if you had a favorite underdog this week or someone you think that could surprise a favorite. Thank you, Rips and picks. I think Courtney Casey's a live dog. Like, I plus 145, she's a scrapper. I just don't see Schifchenko putting her away. AK knows how high I am on answer.

Nina Shipchenco. But I think Courtney Casey's a dog. I think Cody Brundage is a live dog. Carl Roberson's a live dog. I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of live dogs on this card. Johnson's, I favor Markey,

but Johnson has that power where you can change things real quick. And RDA, plus 180, there's definitely value plus 180 for him. And Petrosian plus 185. There's value everywhere. There's definitely value everywhere.

So there's a few. There's probably more. dog like live dogs in this card that I've seen in a while there's a bunch of them all right we're gonna go rapid fire here try to get through all of these I'll get to as many as I can we'll go to one Toro good morning sorry good morning can you hear me yes sir yeah hey I'm a long-time supportive of MMA fighting I really appreciate you really appreciate your work um Mike and your upbringing um I just only wanted to talk about uh back to the Israel artist sonya thing when it comes to exciting fighting of them

so to speak, you know, when you see fighters like Alexander Vokanowski, and we see fighters like, you know, fighters in the featherweight division, lightwood division, or even more so well-to-with division, those fights are always entertaining, you know. I just wanted to ask, you know, what can Israel Adisania do apart from, you know, I mean, I don't want to seem like a troll, but, you know, he usually runs away from his fights. You know, when fighters try to engage, he runs away. So you can't really say that the fighters are not engaging with Idra.

With Izra Adisanya, when you usually tries to avoid it at all costs. So I just wanted to get your take on that. Thanks, man. You got to bring the dog out of him. Gassel brought the dog out of him. Go back. If you haven't seen Adasania versus Calvin Gassolam for the interim middleweight title, go watch that. Because Kelvin Gassolm went after Adesada.

He went after him. And what we saw was 25 minutes of bliss. It's one of the best fights you'll ever see. It's one of the best title fights you'll ever watch. It's there. We've seen out of the side of you have exciting fights. But when you play his game, he's going to beat you every time. When you turn this into a stand-up kickboxing match, you have no chance.

You're not going to beat him. You're just not going to beat that guy in an M-A fight. You're not going to. The best way to attack Adasania is to go right after him. Sure, there's risk there. He might knock you out. Gasselm dealt with that in the fifth round. But still, you want to, if you want it,

the best chance to beat Adasani is you're going to make him uncomfortable. You got to battle him. You got to go right after him. You have to make him show his heart. I feel like Gassolm just kind of ran out of gas heading into that fifth round because the fourth round was insane. But Adasolam has got that championship heartband. You saw it in that fifth round of the Gasolm fight.

that's how you have to do it Paul Costa went after Adasania and he got run over by Adasadya you can do it you can get that out of him you absolutely can get it out of him but you have to battle him

you have to try to take the title from him a lot of challengers and again no disrespect a lot of challengers are content just getting there and losing a decision not getting finished And again, there's nothing wrong with that. Like, if that's how you want to do it, that's fine.

You can't just place all the blame on Adasani for that. If you're just going to give out, if you're going to go to Adasani's wheelhouse, he's just going to win the fight. Prize fighting is making the most amount of money, taking as little damage as possible, and inflicting as much as possible. Like, Adasani didn't, like, you barely got touched in that fight. Barely get touched.

He showed up to the post-fight press conference, it looked like he didn't even fight. you just gave a win. Like you just handed it to him. So, I mean, you have to battle him. You have to go after him. You have to make him uncomfortable. You have to take risks.

You might get knocked out. But you might not. You might not get knocked out. Kelvin Gastilum almost beat him. Why? Because he went after the man. He made him uncomfortable. He turned it into a dog fight,

which is what we thought Canada was going to do. And he didn't. That's why he lost. So I get the credit, listen, GFP had some stinkers, Anderson Silva had some of the worst title fights you'll ever see in your life. But he had some great performances too.

It's heavy-wise the head that wears the crown people. And it's crazy, like, because Volcanowski just, pieced up hallway for five rounds, just dominated him. Beat him up. But he doesn't get the same criticism, which is kind of bizarre to be.

he shouldn't get any criticism by the way but he had a 50-45 performance outstruck Holloway didn't drop him nothing like that it's just a great performance but folks not getting any crap which is why this whole conversation is kind of weird to be let's go to Hendo Slice

what's up Hendo indeed unless I actually had something kind of useful or interesting to say but sometimes it's just a crazy hot take. So this might be a little bit of both. But I feel like now, especially they're changing the scoring in MMA to push more striking. And the fans are all like, oh, we want to see more striking. And this last event barely had any takedowns. And I think like

the UFC and MMA in general is kind of like at a crossroads because the sport of MMA isn't just striking. There's also takedown. There's also submissions, clinching. Like a lot of that stuff, like Cruz talks about on the broadcast. That stuff matters. That stuff's hard to do. But the way to promote it, they want striking.

So why doesn't the UFC, I mean, other promotions have kind of thought about this in the past, but why not just have like a separate belt, like a strikers league belt or something, where maybe you set up like a couple, like three or four different weight class. and in those fights, it would just be stand up. And maybe it doesn't matter as much as a real UFC belt, but it would give them, number one, they could guarantee strike fest to throw on these cards, but also give them a place for all these strikers

who these days just can't hang when it comes to grappling. Like Wonderboy right now has real problems grappling, but in a striking fight, yeah, everyone would want to see that. So I wanted to know if you thought there's any chance the UFC would start doing more like, I don't know what you'd call them, but special rules matches where it's like a strikers league. Thanks, buddy.

The answer is no. And if you're a fan that just wants striking, then go watch kickboxing. Kickboxing's fun to watch. It is a lot of fun to watch. And I'm stunned that it's actually not as popular as it should be because those fans want and yet they don't watch it. Why?

If you just want striking and knockouts and punching and kicking, just go watch kickboxing. Just go watch that. It's fun. It's fun as hell to watch. Go watch Ice Wars where dudes on skates just punch each other in the face and have hockey fights. There's plenty of different combat sports for your entertainment

if you're just into that. And yeah, you're right. You have a takedown attempt on the main card until the main event. Not one takedown attempt. on the main card until the main event. Until Canada Arab started shooting takedowns like in the championship rounds. That's it.

And before that, there wasn't much. But there you go. I don't think the UFC will have like a strikers only league, though. I don't see that happening. Let's go to Verl Niko. Good morning. Make sure you unmute. There you go.

Nope, I don't hear you. All right, try again. Okay, we got six minutes. So fire these off, all right? Brian Gross. Hello, Brian. Oh, hi, Mike. Sorry.

I don't know if I missed it, but a quick question with RDA. Do you think if he wins this weekend, he has a chance to get that Connor return fight? I don't know why more people kind of haven't been mentioning that. I feel like it's the perfect way to get Connor back. And it's competitive enough to where even if he wins that, beating an RDA off a three-fight win streak could pretty much catapult him right to the top, if not if he's already at the top. So just wanted your thoughts on that.

Thanks, Mike. Good question. It's possible. It's definitely possible. I think any lightweight has a chance of fighting Connor right now for his comeback fight. With the most part,

you, like, we've seen Fiziv sort of find his way into the Connor realm, which is pretty good for the Fiziziz. So, yeah, it's possible.

I do think the UFC, I hope they don't go the Oliver thing. It could happen, though. we have to sort of mentally prepare ourselves for that to be a possibility. But I think Connor Ferguson makes the most sense. You can do Connor Chandler. That makes sense.

Connor Mazadol, like at first, I was like, yeah, it's the fight to make. But the more I think about it, the less I like it. But I think Chandler, Ferguson, those are probably the top two guys I would go with. But yeah, I think RDA is in the mix. There's history there. There's a story there. Viral Nico, do we have you? Oh, we don't have you.

I don't know why. All right, we try again. Carcax, you're up. Carcax are you there? Make sure you on mute. Yeah, I'm here. So you guys can hear me, right? Yep, I got you.

All right, so I just wanted to talk about the World Trade title and the fight that's happening in a few months. So let's just say that Leon goes on to lose, like the first fight. I was just wondering, Dana was talking about the Hamza and Kobe fight because of, you know, it makes sense. And because of nothing, you know, I didn't hear anything about it lately.

So I'm thinking that Kobe turned down the fight. Let's just say that Leon goes on to lose. How does Hamzaa get the towel show? Who does he have to fight? Thank you, Karkak. Hamza probably, Hamza probably gets it anyways. He might take another fight if it's a big one.

but I think he'll probably get, if he just sits and waits, he probably gets the next title shot. I would have, my idea was so much better. My idea was so much better than this. Shemai of Leon, interim title,

winner gets Usen for the undisputed title. That was the way to go. Would have been so much bigger. But you wouldn't have got one big fight, you'd got two big fights. Now we get Usman Edwards, which is fine. Like Edwards deserves it,

but it's just kind of there. You know what I mean? So what I think's going to happen is, I said this on on, in the next one. I think Leon Edwards is going to lose to Kamar Usman,

and then he's going to have to fight Shafkat Rukmanov, which is going to just be a rough stretch for him. And then Usen will probably fight Shamiya. Like, that's the fight that has to happen. It's the biggest fight the UFC can make. So the biggest fight Uspin can get right now because he's not fighting at 205.

He's not fighting Canelo. Can we stop all that horse shit? It's not happening. I mean, there's nothing else. There's literally nothing else. So it's got to be Shamaev. but we'll see. We'll see.

This is a different world. Travel is not as easy as it once was. So we'll see if that fight, how that fight can happen, but you have to think Shamiyaf's just kind of waiting in the wings. But Shamiyaf could still fight. I mean, I think Shemai if it's offered, if it's a possibility. But in the Colby thing, I think we understand why that fight's not happening right now.

I honestly think Colby would have taken that fight, but the whole thing of Mazadol and the legal troubles and, you know, the court documents are there. It's right there. Colby's saying that the attack, there's some sort of brain injury. I mean, who the hell is going to clear him right now until all this is squared away?

So I don't think it's a, I don't think it was an offered turn down thing. I think it was more of a, there's no way that UFC would clear him to fight or any commission would clear him to fight when we have this sort of hanging over our heads. But I honestly think he would have taken the Shemaya fight. Especially after watching the Gilbert Burns fight,

I think Colby would have fought Shemaiah at a five-rounder. I don't think he was nervous about that at all. I don't think at all. I think you would absolutely take it that fight. But I don't know. I guess we'll never know. All right. I'm going to take two more.

I have to get out of here. Watts, you're up. Watts, are you there? I'm here, man. Sorry about that. We got you. I love the show, man. You got some awesome callers.

So what are we? The mother heckers, the hecomaniac, or the homies, the H-O-A-M-the-Homies? AK is listening. He's my homie. That's all I got, man. Have a heck of a weekend. Wow, that's a good one. We have to think about that.

We have to think about that. I like the homies one. That's good. Like the heckomaniacs. There's many fun ways we can go with this. I'm eating this last one, all right? Don't get mad at me. I know there's a lot of the OGs that are just hanging out waiting.

Four Corner Sports, you got the lucky nod here. What's up, buddy? Just wanted to say, as always, 365 days out of the year, it is happy birthday, AK Lee. Today, tomorrow, forever. I wanted to ask you, who has the highest feeling between David Onama and Kennedy, that's a juke. that pronounces last thing correctly.

Yep. I know they both on the pre-loom. And then lastly, what would be the bigger card? I mean, the bigger mean event, if you saw about MSG earlier, Steepa and John Jones or Israel versus Alex? I just want to be your daughter on that. All right, thanks, Mike, and have a, happy morning.

Thanks, buddy. I think it's got to be Steepa, John Jones. There's just so much interest there, especially with Jones not fighting in the last two-plus years. it's got to be that fight, especially at MSG. Jones has ties to New York, so that'd be a very big deal

for all parties involved. So I have to go with that. Adasania, Pereira is obviously a very big fight. It's a very big deal. Why put them... Yeah, I think you... I think you do Jones-Stepe at MSG

and then you do Adasania Pereira on the December pay-per-view. I think you're good there. Unless you can turn both those guys around in September, that you can do it in September. September. Because I think that card's still looking for a main event right now. Because all we have on there is tentatively Sterling versus Dilleshaw.

And that can't, that can't headline. There was talks about Boston talks about Atlanta hosting that September pay-per-view. I'm told Boston is completely out of the running now. Atlanta is fizzling. And it seems like all signs are pointing to Las Vegas for the September card. but nothing's done yet. It seems like that's the direction they're heading. So I don't know.

Do you want to get out of... I mean, whether it's September or December, Allison is going to fight in Las Vegas. But Jones has more of a tie. I think the heavyweight, the heavyweight title on the line, whether it's interim or not, heavyweight title,

MSGIA just makes all the sense in the world. So I'd go with that one. And that's it. All right, I got to get out of here, folks. For those who have been waiting, I apologize. Luckily, we'll have three shows next week, and I don't have to take my dog to a grooming appointment or a doctor's appointment or anything like that.

So you guys are the best. Love you very much. Back at 3 p.m. Eastern, M.A. Fighting YouTube page. UFC Vegas 58 preview show. We'll get you all fired up for that. And then tomorrow we'll have people's pre-fight show 30 minutes before the event starts,

post-fight show after the event ends. And then AK, my best friend and I, are back on Sunday for an all-new edition of on to the next one. Matchmaking hat. going back on the heads as we discuss the what's next for the notable names

coming out of the UFC Vegas 58. So we are out of here, everybody. Have a great rest of your Friday. And as always, have a heck of a morning, you crazy maniacs. The Vox Media Podcast Network.