MMA Fighting - HOAM | Khamzat Chimaev Hinting Move To 185 — Is That the Right Decision?

Episode Date: September 23, 2022

Khamzat Chimaev is teasing a return to the middleweight division after the massive weight miss that led to the top of the UFC 279 lineup being shuffled around. Since it was the first time Chimaev has ever missed weight, is it the right decision for him to make the move up now? On an all-new edition of Heck of a Morning, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck reacts to Chimaev's "185" tweet, a potential matchup with Paulo Costa, and if that be his next opponent should Chimaev want to return before the end of the year. Additionally, listener questions include the many roles the staff has at MMA Fighting, Bellator Dublin, Yoel Romero's future if he defeats Melvin Manhoef, the top fights to show newer fans, what the most intriguing fights are for the remainder of the year that are on the books, Raul Rosas Jr. and Bo Nickal's potential UFC debut opponents, and more. You can listen live to Heck of a Morning Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays at 10 a.m. ET on the MMA Fighting Twitter Spaces. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Live on the M.A. Fighting Twitter space, you can hear the show shortly thereafter on the M.A. Fighting Podcasting Network. Thanks for joining us. I am Mike Heck. Hope you're all having a wonderful Friday so far. The dog is all sorts of excited. So there you go. Go explore.

Absolutely nothing happening in that. There you go. So there you go. Another auspicious start for the program. Shiloh wants to get involved. And you guys can get involved as well because it is a free-for-all Friday, which means the gloves are off. the hair is back.

We could talk about MMA. We could talk about the MMA media space. We can talk about whatever the hell you want to talk about. And we're going to have some fun with this. It doesn't have to be, if it's MMA related, it doesn't have to be the Bellator card. It could be anything. We talk about 280, 281, anything and everything.

So let's get into this thing. A lot of people lined up. and I don't really have a monologue or anything. So let's just go to Boss. Boss will kick us off. Boss, hello. Make sure you unmute. How are doing, Mike?

You're right? Yes, sir. How are you? Yeah, good man, good, man. I've got a question. It's regarding Habib. So basically, I want to know. I know he's never really moved up in way.

his natural weight, they say, is obviously welter weight, because he walks around a lot higher than he is, and he's obviously struggles to cut weight. I mean, how do you think he would, you know, do that well to weight, you know, for the likes of, you know, Kobe and Usman and, you know, even the likes of even GSP in his prime. That's just my question, really.

That's, I mean, that's a really good question. I think he would be just as dominant at 170. I think he'd beat Usman. I think he would beat colby i think he'd beat a lot of guys he's just he's just that good and the scary thing about habib at least in my opinion was he was actually getting better when he left the sport he was getting better and that is super scary and we've talked about similar questions on i think btl certain things like jed and i have done over the last couple of years and we are both convinced like not even just he'd have a great run at 170 we like we

wholeheartedly believe he would have a great one to one eight great run at 185 if you like if you gave hubby if habib right now said hey i am coming back to fight one year from now and i'm going to fight at 185 for the middleweight title i would pick him to beat israel out of sanya right now and i would wouldn't really hesitate. It's just the, Habib's style is just insane. And it's just one of those guys where if he gets his hands on you,

you're going down. You're going for a ride. You cannot, it is so difficult to defend his takedowns. And like, he's such a strong guy. Like, he's just ridiculous. And with the evolution of his game, with everything he's done from a coaching aspect,

if you gave this guy a year to, like just get back in fight shape, put on a little size, he would give fits at 170 and 185 in my opinion. But I love that question. I think he'd beat pretty much everybody

at 170 right now. Because he's that good. I just think that highly of him as a competitor. Let's go to via Ravens. Hello. Hello.

I was wondering if you had to pick three fights out of UFC history to show someone that's never seen mixed martial arts, what would those three fights be? Man, these questions are always so

tough on the spot, but number one on my list almost always is Robbie Lawler versus Carlos Condit. That is one of my favorite fights of all time. It probably is my favorite fight of all time. That's the one I'm going with

99% of the time. I would go with, man, two and three are always super tough because there's so many. Because I'm trying to figure out a new fan. What would a new fan like that has no idea what's going on? I would show, and I know this is kind of recent, but I would show them, I would show them Glover Tashire versus Yuri Perashka because you will never see a fight with that many swings in it. You haven't seen it before and you probably won't. see it again anytime soon.

It's just, it was such an emotional roller coaster ride because of all the swings. One minute it seemed like Yeri's about to win, Glover would reverse everything. And then Glover would take his back and almost have him submitted and Yuri would fight out of it. Like, what a sick fight. That's just one of those just knocked down drag-off fights. And the other one I think is just spectacular is. I'll go with Jose Alda versus Chad Mendez too,

just off the top of my head. I love that fight from UFC 179. Awesome fight. Doesn't get talked about enough. Those are just the three off top of my head. But Condit Lawler at UFC 195, January 2016. That one was unbelievable. And I still to this day, and I will sing it from the rooftops.

Carlos Condit should have been the UFC Welterweight champion that night. He won that fight. The fifth round was insane, but that was one of the best rounds you'll ever see. But I thought Carlos Connard got hosed. He should have been the champion.

The fact that we still talk about Carlos Condit and his career and everything that man accomplished, but never was the undisputed welterweight champion. Kind of hurts my soul a little bit. But definitely my favorite fight ever. Let's go to Jose.

Jose, hello. Hey, how's it going? Mike? Good morning. What's that, ma'am? I got a couple questions, and I first have to say, man, I disagree so much with the beep tick. But I respect it because, I mean, he's undefeated. But I got a question regarding Tama, if he recently just tweeted out 185.

And I just want to know, is it possible that we see the Costa matchup in your eyes? And in addition to that, because of Costa's, like, recent vocalness, I think it was more so last year about, you know, his contract situation and him. I think he only has one fight left on his deal. Is it possible that we get that matchup? Or do you think the UFC would try to kind of undercut the matchmaking there and not give us what I think we all want at this point? I think everyone kind of saw the whole Costa situation on the MMA hour the other day, which was hilarious, by the way. If you haven't seen it, you got to go check it out.

But yeah, that's my thoughts. I just wanted to know what you thought. So, yeah, if you guys missed it, Shamiy have tweeted out 185. So my initial thought was because I've been in this MMA space a long time, and I understand how fighters use social media, especially the ones with a lot of buzz and attention. Sometimes you just say things because you know people are going to react to them. So I don't know.

I don't know what's real and what isn't. But let's just play the game. Let's just say he's going to 185. He's fighting at 185. I think the cost of one is super easy to make. I think it's just the easiest fight you can put together right now. And there's really nobody else at the moment because everybody else is booked. So I think cost is going to be ready like early next year from all indications with the hand injury and everything that he's dealing with right now.

So that would be a hell of a fight to put on that Rio card. Put Costa there against Hamzaa Tchamai, who's already like public enemy number one, and then you put him in Brazil. Oh, my gosh, the storyline's there. So the UFC will probably look at this in two ways. One is they will look to extend Paulo Costa. They will look to find a happy medium of what Costa wants, what he thinks is fair, and try to make everybody happy. or if paul costa wants to play hardball and not resign or and just kind of bet on himself i mean i i i like paolo the the incredible baby face turn he's made over the last year or so has been

incredible but i mean come on what like what's the opening line on that fight going to be shami if minus 500 probably like i just i think shemaiah just runs him over and it's not like it's not like it's not an indictment on Costa. It's just this is how much I, this is just how good I think Shamiyaf is. And I think Shemai if at 185 is just, it's just a whole different guy. Like, he's not dealing with that

insane weight cut. So I think he'll have a little bit more gas in the tank. I think his strength will transfer over just fine to 185. And I think he can just ragdoll Paul Costa. So, but what I would like, like, if you're going to do that fight,

let's just say, I don't know what they're going to headline that card with. But do it as a five-round co-main event. Definitely do that. Just to see, like, what happens if this fight gets extended, which I don't think it will. But, yeah, and then Shemai from Brazil, the reaction he'll get. I mean, that is a hell of a story right there.

So I think it's a super easy fight to make, and I think the UFC can look at it in two ways. They could try to keep Costa and extend his deal, Or if cost is like, doesn't want to play ball, then it's not the same impact of what the UFC wanted to do with Nate Diaz, but they could still send cost out on a pretty dominant loss. And that's kind of how they would view it. So, yeah, it's right there. It's the easiest fight to make. So do it.

But we'll see. Who knows if he's actually going to 185? Terrence, what's up, buddy? Hey, Mike. How are you? Happy Friday. Good. You too.

I want to ask about a hypothetical. It's three questions, but they're real quick. So one would be, who would be more inclined to actually have relatives that's champions first? The Margar Mettah family or the Edwards family? That's the first question. The second one would be what do we do with Horiuchi, being that he's fighting at Rising this weekend, which I know we were not talking about as much, but it's something that needs to be talking about. because he would be out of the conversation at Bellator for a long time.

Does he just stay taking fights in Ryerson to build his breath back up, take fights at Bellator, do both? Should they make a 125 division for him and just build it around him? I know he hasn't fallen in that class in a while, but you saw his size difference before, and I think that's something he's going to deal with for the rest of his time at Bellator. And then the last thing would be what show, being that we're coming up on fall, what's your favorite fall show or your fall movie ever?

That's it. Thank you. So, so the first question was, which family will have more champions than Armaghameyatoff of the Edwards? Which one will have two? Which one will have two at the same time? Let's say, for example, I got you, I got you. I got you. Okay.

So first question, it means the Nirmagabadoffs because Ustman is going to be, Usman's going to win the Belator lightweight title. So, yeah, I mean, at the same time, man, that's tough. Probably still the Nirmagamadoffs. Because, I mean, Ousman's going to be a tricky pit bull. He's going to win that title. So that's one. Leon might even be the champion by March.

And I don't think Fabian's fighting for a title anytime soon. So, yeah, I feel pretty strongly with the Numaga Madoff answer there. I forgot your second question. It's tough with the three questions. The fall movie, fall TV show, I'm not a big, like, TV guy. Like, I'll watch it from time to time. Like, I'll watch sports. I'm trying to, like, people keep begging me to just give pro wrestling a shot.

So I'm trying. I'm really trying. with like raw and I watched AEW on Wednesday. It was okay. Didn't love it. Didn't hate it. But I am very excited for Halloween

Kill or Halloween ends. I'm a big horror movie buff, especially the like sort of the cliche classics. Big Halloween fan. I was always like a big Friday 13th guy. So, and I just have so many

thoughts about the Halloween series like this new one because I thought Halloween kills was awful. I thought it was terrible. I thought it was just the dumbest movie ever. And not in the sense like I didn't like it because the nostalgia may be happy. The first 30 to 40 minutes of that movie was excellent. But it's just I think we're well beyond spoilers at this point. So I'll just go on my little tangent.

Halloween kills, if you guys haven't seen this, there is this sort of way people view. characters and horror movies. Like they're just so, like they're just really dumb people. And normally it's like, you know, dumb teenagers who,

oh, I need to run away from this guy. So let's go into the shed with all these sharp metal objects. I'll definitely be safe there. Or there's this killer on the loose. Let's go into the car with this young lady and we'll make out a little bit,

fog up the windows. Like, obviously that is not going to end well. But in this movie, they trick Michael Myers into like the middle of the road and then they just like beat him up a little bit and he's down and like it's a couple of baseball bat swings and then they just are like yeah we won

and then just like walk away and I'm just watching this as it happens I'm like these are the dumbest people ever like you have a big monster truck there like run this dude over a bunch of times like just dude terrorized your community for decades and they just like beat him up a little bit. They gave him a beating.

Like M&M and 8 Mile got a worse beating than Michael Myers did. And they just let him go. And they just walked away and went and celebrated and high-fived. And they probably went to the local pub and drank beers and stuff. Like, yeah, we kicked the guy while he was down a few times. It was just so

stupid. So of course Michael gets up and he kills Jamie Lee Curtis's character's daughter. And now we have this new movie coming out on October 13th. Which I'm very excited about, which I'll probably see the day it comes out. And it was just, I mean, it was just so bad. So hopefully, I'm holding out hope that the bad feelings I had with this one will go away with

this next one. But I am excited for that. I don't get excited for movies. There are not a lot of movies on the calendar. I'm like, oh, I got to have, I have to see that. But that is probably the one this year that I'm definitely seeing opening weekend for sure. Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first, there,

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Not much. How you doing? Good. Well, I was reading a fine article this morning on MMAFighting.com. You know, great website. And it happens to be written by yourself about

Yuel Romero and he's kind of following a trend that I've been noticing recently where these really old fighters who I'm not trying to say are washed or at least pre-washed are coming out and making claims that they're the

greatest in the world or that they're one day going to be champion again such as Nate Diaz did that recently in his post-fight speech and I was just wondering what your thoughts are on both YOL Romero's chances and just this recent trend of people saying that they're going to be champion one day, even though they look like they're at the, towards the end of their careers.

Anyways, have a great day, Mike. Thanks. Thanks, man. So, first of all, I love how Jed's MMAfighting.com great website thing is just getting over like Rover. Yeah, so I spoke to you all Romero a little over a week ago, and he still wants to go to 185. and he still feels that even right now he is the best middleweight in the world. And I don't know if that's true. I'm not really sure.

But he's also very smart too. He's focused on, he knows that all of these big goals and aspirations, which I think any professional athlete or anybody who does anything professionally wants to have. Like you want to have goals, you want to have things you want to accomplish. And even at Yoel's age of 45 years old, who is still a freak by,

the way. The guy is still a super athlete. He wants to be a two division champion. He feels like he can win the 205 title and once he does that has a defense or two. He wants to go back, he wants to drop to 185 and win that title. And who's to say he can't do it?

Now, there's a word that gets thrown out a lot. Jed loves to say it. Fighters are washed or on the well done side of cooked, things like that. I don't think YOL is quite there yet.

but I don't know. Y'all's just, you never, you never really know what you're going to get. Like, Y'all Romero is like a box of chocolates to, to quote the great forest gum. You just never know.

You never know if you're going to get the dude who's going to come out and fight like he fought Paul Costa. You don't know if you're going to get the dude who came out and fought like he did against Israel Adasanya. You don't know if you're going to get like a Phil Davis type performance

where he just, cannot defend a takedown whatsoever. And you don't know if he's going to fight a really good up-and-comer like Alex Polizzi and beat the holy hell out of this guy and break his friggin face. We've seen all of these Joel Romero's. We've seen all of these different variations of Yol Romero. He is fighting Melvin Manhoff a few hours from right now in Dublin. And Jed and I are on the same page as this, on this fight as well.

this fight's going one of two ways it is either UL is going to absolutely destroy Melvin Manhoff to the point where we're going to feel horrible about our lives and horrible about ourselves that we actually sat back and watched it or it is going to be

a miserable viewing experience and we're just going to see two guys combined age of 91 years old standing around doing nothing so both of those roads seem really sad, if we're being honest. But who knows?

Maybe they'll go out there and just be like, you know what? No strategy. Let's just beat the shit out of each other. And that would be cool too, but I just don't see that world happening. So I feel like you all is going to finish him. He's got to win this fight. If he loses him out of the Manhattan, then all of these things just go away. There's still fights for him, obviously.

You could just do fights with dudes with names. like Gayguard could move up to 205 and just fight YOL and that can headline a card and that would be pretty cool. Like no one's going to complain about that. Or if there's like a new fresh free agent on the market that they want to bring in, you could throw you all in with them. I mean, there's lots of stuff you can still do with YOL. But if he loses to Melvin Manhuff tonight or later on today, that is terribly catastrophic for him. So yeah, I mean, it's good to have ambitions and goals and we'll see. He also understands that if he doesn't beat Melvin Manhuff tonight, then none of that matters.

Let's see if we can get Vinny back in. Vinny are you there? Vinny. Unmute. Try that. Mike, Mike, how are you doing? Good morning. Top of the morning to you.

Hey, I just wanted to ask you about this fight. Yeah, Joel Romero and Manaheuf, Manahe, I'm 92 years old, don't you think? They're really not going to kill each other until maybe the end, probably. I mean, I think Manaheapov is going to win. But, I mean, it's just because I don't think Duel Romero's job kick. It's made out of glass anymore. I actually say it's made out of glass. So I wanted to keep hearing your forecast on this.

Yeah. Like I said, despite going one of two ways, either Yuel, at least in my opinion. I mean, I could be totally wrong. But just watching enough of these two guys, especially watching, like, their most recent fights. I think you all, and just look at the size. Like, you saw the, you saw them face off. You all is like, you all looks like he's two of Melvin. He's just, he's so much bigger than him.

I just don't know if Melvin can beat him. I don't know. We'll see. I mean, I'm vaguely intrigued by the fight. I didn't like the booking originally. I liked the Politi fight better. and he just killed Alex Polizzi. And Alex is a good fighter.

And Alex might not ever be the same after that fight. Hopefully not. But I think Y'all... One thing Alex Blitzi got is Y'all Ramirez's respect. There's no doubt about that. Yol put that kid over in a big way when I talk to him. So, yeah, I just... It's either going to be a YOL thrashing

or I think it's going to be just a horribly boring fight that the Dublin fans will just gone and joy. So I hope I'm wrong and they just go in there and beat the hell of each other, but I just don't think that happens. Let's go to Four Corner Sports and then we'll go to Viking MMA next.

What's up? Hey, what's going on? So I wanted to ask you about, I saw the USC ended up announcing that they're officially going to Orlando on December 3rd. Is there any direction as for where they're going to be aiming towards

for the main event? I remember hearing something about maybe possibly Cori Sanhagan and Mara and Vera. But I just want to know, like, do you have any input? And I wanted to know, like, Jason Furlow, he's coached of Vera, and he has McKenzie Duren fighting in about a little over a week. Is he one of the more underrated coaches? And, like, how in how do you have the matchup style up against McKenzie Dern versus

Zau Jean-Anan? I'm sorry if I butcher her name. And then lastly, I wanted to get your input. So you're a big Patriots hearing. You obviously know of Bill Belichick. I wanted to know who is the Bill Belichick of M.A. coaches. Like, as... Yeah, I know.

It's super easy. I just want to get your input on that. Super easy. All right. All right. Thanks, man. So let's see. I don't want to go through this.

Jason Perillo, I think he's properly rated. he just like Trevor Whitman he doesn't do like a ton of interviews or anything like that he just kind of stays out of the spotlight he's kind of behind the scenes but he's

I mean anyone that I've ever talked to that has worked with him even like on a full-time basis or just like a cross-training basis cannot say enough good things about him Marlon Vera has been singing this man's praises for so long and he doesn't have like

a total ton of, like, there's probably like a bunch of fighters that train at Ruka, I'm sure. But for the most part, the guys and the gals that he works with specifically, it's a very small circle. Just ask Michael Bisbing what Jason Perlowe did for his career. Michael Bisbing came the freaking UFC middleweight champion after working with Jason Perillo. So that says all you need to know, we've seen the surge of Marlon Vera. And it's just, he's a great coach. It's fantastic.

Dern Janjana is a really good fight. Like I know it's not the sexiest matchup in the world. And there are definitely stakes involved here, but it's not like we're not going into this thing saying, like whoever wins is definitely getting a title shot. Because I don't think it's quite like that. But it's hard. I have to watch a little more tape on both these women.

But I'm leaning Yan, but McKenzie Dern can just smush anybody. She gets Janjan on down. it could be over shortly thereafter. So I, again, I don't know, I got to look into it more. I'll have an answer on the preview show next week. But it's close fights, really good matchup. And the correct answer for the most Bill Belichickian coach in M.A.,

it's Tyson Chartier. It's Tyson. Because they mimic their entire system like the Patriots. It's the best. Watch. any Tyson chart of your interview like Tyson will open up

a little bit about certain things but just go watch any interview with Rob Font and Calvin Cater especially Cater I mean Cater

is like Cater is as Bill Belichick as you can get Ron to the next one once this fight's over I'm not even thinking about it anymore I'm not thinking about what's next

it's wrong to this Ron to that so like if I I'm gonna try to get Cater Cater doesn't like to do a lot of media before his fights unless it's something set up by the UFC.

So I'm going to try like if there's anybody that's going to be able to get him beforehand, it's probably going to be me or maybe like one or two other people just because like I've known Calvin for years. You know, even during like international fight week

when we're doing like the radio row stuff, Calvin and Rob like sat down with me for like 35 minutes and just answered fan questions from YouTube the entire time. And they're very comfortable. Like we're very, Calvin, and you just, that whole team, the whole New England cartel team, they're all like that. They're all very patriots way, one thing at a time. We're not overlooking.

We're not looking past. We're not looking behind. We're just looking at what's in front of us. So Kaiser Charterier is the correct answer. He's a little, he opens up a little bit more, but for the most part, that's the type of, type of answers you get from that guy. As we move ahead to Viking MMA and then we'll tag a hit in because we didn't get him yesterday. Viking, hello. Mike Heck Jr.

Yo. Hello, brother. Absolutely. I'm not agree with you on that. I'll have a mistake. Absolutely not. Leave that aside. My question is for you is who is the biggest draw in terms of worldwide viewership?

for UFC 280 Mark Achev or Olivera and the question is why don't you do a fighter interview twice a week or once a week because you have

you, I'm sure you have a skin in the UFC that's my question. Thanks Mike. Thanks buddy. So I think the first question you're judging by like who's

to get more of a rub, so to speak. Because the UFC likes to use the social media metrics. Like, Datowai always likes to throw out the numbers. Hey, we put up this dude's face off. This dude's way in and it got like this many views. I'm going to say it's Makachef overall of error. And the reason I say that is because I think Habib is going to be in a lot of those things. So I think putting those two guys near each other is just going to boost Machachev stock,

obviously. So I will lean with Mokachev over Alvara in that sense. But yeah, that's it. I think Makachov probably have more of the appeal. I think he'll get more of the fanfare, especially being in Abu Dhabi as well. So I don't think that's going to hurt very much. The interview question, I know you've asked this before, and I never, and I realized I never actually answered it. So, I mean, it's pretty simple. I don't need to do as many interviews. anymore. Now, do I still do them? Sure. I don't do them as much. I have great relationships with a lot of these fighters, but at the same token, we have the best interviewer on, like one of the best interviewers in sports working for our website who does two shows a week and interviews

eight to ten fighters a week. So there's no need for me to do interviews. But that opens me up to do shows like this, like BTF, all the other stuff that we're doing. Do I still do an Yes, I interviewed you all Romero. In fact, I'm going to be doing an interview, even on vacation, folks, doing an interview 1 o'clock today. UFC debuting fighter, Don Cheneas, who's fighting Sudique Yusuf. I've known Don for a long time. I was interviewing Don before pretty much anybody was interviewing Don, when he turned pro in the New England scene. And the dude is getting to the UFC.

And he's finally getting his UFC call. So I'm very excited to talk to him. And it's been a while. I don't think I've talked to him since, like, right before the pandemic started. So there's a lot to catch up on with him. I don't like to drop names before they happen. But this is kind of locked and loaded. But I'm talking to Justin Gachey on Tuesday.

That is on the calendar. I'm speaking with Justin Gatje on Tuesday. So I get him from time to time. I'd like to do the basically the interviews that Ariel doesn't get, I get. Or if there's like certain trending topics that Ariel

doesn't touch on, I'll get them. Like the Ty Emery situation. Like I interviewed Ty Emery and that interview freaking blew up on YouTube. Got so many frigging views. It's insane. I like interviewing some of the BKFC fighters because they just have a different mindset

altogether. But yeah, like, my I'm best at interviewing when I'm when I'm there like I'm better I am better on site than I am in my studio like I'll do them either way because I just it's a very conversational type thing it's not really an interview we're just chit chatting but I'm way better unseen I like I prefer that I prefer being face to face with somebody that I am doing a Zoom interview or anything like that. So if the choice was made like, hey, just do interviews, but we'll send you on the road more.

I would take that in a heartbeat and still do these shows. Like, I actually enjoy it. Now, I will admit, when Ariel came back, like, obviously I was thrilled. I mean, it's freaking Ariel Hawani back with us. It was massive. But we knew right away, like this, especially with what I was doing, because I had an interview show too. But I knew I just had a step, step aside. I had a like sort of way in what I wanted to do, how I wanted to do it.

And to me it was like, all right, well, I'll still do BTL and I'll host all the preview shows and the post shows and all that stuff. It'll keep me plenty busy and I just get to hang out and talk to all of you guys and then still do interviews from time to time. Because the one thing that kind of was a little stressful at first is that we talked to a lot of the same people, Ariel and I. So if something happens, like, I'm already working on things. So, like, I'll already be working on stuff like the night of these fights. And we'll have a time all set up. And then I find out, like, Sunday that they're going on the M.A. hour. And it's like, I don't, I mean, that's fine.

Totally cool. But I was getting a little stressed out for a while because I'm just like, I'm setting like all this stuff up. Or I would do an interview like on a Tuesday and then he'd be on aerial show on a Wednesday. And it's just like, all right. have to find different angles, different things to talk about. And then it just got some point where I'm like, why am I stressing myself out like this? Like, why am I trying to compete with Helwani right now?

Like, I'm going to let him do his damn thing and I'm going to do my thing. I'm going to find my own lane. And I am so happy right now. Like, I get to jump on the show. I remember pitching the show and everyone's like, what? What do you mean? Like, how are you going to pull this off? I'm like, just let me try it.

Like, I think it's going to work. And it's working. And I have like all these other ideas. And I think the best part about all of this is that Ariel coming back and doing his show, which I'm so happy about, because it's so good for everybody, is that these ideas that I've had brewing in my mind, they're inching closer to reality. We could do different things. And I'm hoping by next year, like I could do a lot of different stuff, a lot of different stuff. A lot of different stuff. a lot of in-person stuff,

a lot of just fun things that not a lot of people are doing. So that's like the best thing that's happened. Like once I kind of like, like just let my, the ego stuff go and, and all those things. Like, it's just, it's just so much better.

Like, to me, I don't think, like, I just feel like, M.M.A. , five, especially with Halani back, especially with aerial back. Like, I just don't know, like, I just think we're doing so well.

You know what I mean? I think we're hitting everything. We have a team with people with just all these different great ideas of different shows and different concepts. And now finally seeing Jose show anything but fighting finally start rolling a little bit, finally got the first episode launch. Like that's just such a great idea. And no one else is doing that kind of stuff, which I love.

So I think we're in a great place. I'm happy to do interviews from time to time. I don't need to do them all the time. that's how, I mean, without doing interviews, I wouldn't be here. It was a big part of my career. But if I could do this every day and just like do a sports radio type show, if I could do that every day and like bring a fight around from time to time and do BTF and like, I'm cool with that.

Like I'm totally cool with that. Like I'm thrilled to jump on here three times a week with all of you guys. And some of you agree with me. Some of you don't agree with me on things that I say. And that's great. That's what it should be. That's why this show exists. I grew up in Boston.

I listen to Boston Sports Radio all the time. And the host always said dumb shit. And people would call up and tell them that. And they would just fight and go bicker back forward. I'm not trying to do that, but I'm going to have my opinion and you can have yours. If you disagree with me, that's cool. Sometimes you're going to catch me on a day where I am just super stubborn. A lot of the on to the next one shows that we do live after a pay-per-view when I'm on like 20 minutes of sleep,

I get a little salty because I literally have no idea what day it is, and I get a little stubborn. But it is what it is. We have fun. And I'm very happy with everything I'm doing right now. Okay, let's go. I hate, hopefully your internet connection is better than yesterday. Yes. And in the ass, but you're other man, Mike.

loved what you said. I'd love to see more interviews. Just do you doing more stuff as well. You're great. Now, wrote like I was going to say Rosas Jr. right? Like, and I got like I had to leave because my Twitter was a mess. But I'm actually upset about the Rosas Jr. situation. The more I think about at first I was like, whoa, 17 year old in the UFC, but the more I think about it, like Mike, you know my starts on Dana White Fighter Pay and all these fans complaining. I all think they're a bunch of whiny little snowflakes. But this thing with Rosas Jr. is making me upset because this guy is not even an adult.

It feels like it's a teenager being exploited for the benefit of the UFC so the UFC can use him and just say, oh, look, we hired a 17-year-old. But this guy is not ready. And it's not that he's not good. He's amazing. But it's just, what was the problem? What's the problem with the developmental deal? What's the problem?

the UFC fight pass, the social page, not UFC, UFC, UFC Fight Pass, that does really well as well. And they promote other fighters. Like I heard about Jacqueline Amory, the LFA story champion, through that page. They promote well, why not stick him on those shows? Why not make him the star of that page? Because you know, Mike, the biggest problem of an up-and-coming fighter is two things. Money and exposure, they're obviously linked. But you can, like, with his performance and, uh,

Contender series, you can give him all the sponsors, all the money just to give him time just to prepare well, give him exposure to different teams. Like, and Mike, I think you talked about Bo Nickel and you're like, oh, we know what's happening, him not getting to the UFC. I don't know what's happening. I think I missed that part. Like, so please explain that why Bo Nickel isn't in, but this dude's in. Like, I'm not hard on the kid. It's just like, there's a guy in ADCC, Mike, we talked about before a guy called Cade Rottolo, the youngest ADCC. champion. But Mike, he's 19. This guy's 17. And Ruutolo is even more of a prospect in

submission grappling than this guy is in MMA. Why not just be a bit kinder? And Mike, the other thing was I mentioned on Tuesday, but I think we ran out of time was Jose Reader, Jose Ardo retired. But are we reaching the end of an era, the greatest era in MMA? Jose's gone. Anderson's gone. GSP's gone. All these guys are gone. Conner's getting older. John Jones is getting older. What's going to happen? Like Joe Rogan's saying, oh, if Dana leaves, I'm leaving, what's going to happen after that? Because boxing is in a pathetic state right now, but boxing has lasted this long. What's MMA going to be? And lastly, Chimaev, 185, very easy, as we've all said, Paulo Costa.

UFC 283, let's go. Drop the mic, Mike. Thanks, man. So a lot to sort of unpack there. obviously Shemayef costs his flight to make if he does go to 185 so the Raul Roses thing is is interesting because he's going to be 18 in like two weeks

two weeks from tomorrow he's 18 so it's not like it's not like he just turned 17 so he's going to be like a legal adult in two weeks so I think it's kind of close and I'll go back to that in a second

the end of an era I mean in a way, I think for long-time fans it is, but you have to understand that the UFC's success right now, sure, it has to do with the longtime fans, but it is a ton to do with what the UFC did in the pandemic. They got so many new fans. So in the vast majority of these newer fans have never seen John Jones even fight.

They've seen Jose Aldo fight a little bit, but didn't really know much about his featherweight career and like what he did before that. They only know about the guy who got beat up by Peter Young and won a couple of fights and then lost him a rob. So in our eyes, sure. I mean, there's some truth to that, but the UFC has gotten into such an interesting position right now

that they are the draw. I mean, there are certain fighters that are like Connor and Nate and guys like that, like they're bona fide superstars they're going to sell no matter what they do but they could do anything and sell but the ufc has become i i've made this comparison before the ufc has become russomania in a lot of ways i don't care whose fight like i don't care who wrestles at resslemania i'm watching it every year it's the brand it doesn't matter who competes now if you want to put steve austin on there to wrestle i'm going to watch the hell out of that because

that was the the glory days of pro wrestling in a lot of people's eyes that's when wrestling was at its highest peak. That's what it had most viewership. That's when it was, the business was making so much money. We had two competing promotions. This was just the most fun time in pro wrestling. But WrestleMania lived on without all those guys,

and WrestleMania is still a big deal. And that's what the UFC has become in a lot of ways. It's the UFC and people are just going to watch for whatever. Now, they have to do a better job developing stars, that's for sure, because eventually Connor is going to be gone. And who knows what happens to John? We get other guys as well. Frankie Edgar's about to go.

Who knows how much longer we have with the dominant cruises of the world. So it is like from that time period, if you got into the sport like 15 years ago to now or like the WEC era to now, like it is kind of the end of an era. Like a lot of those WEC guys, a lot of the Strike Force guys,

don't compete anymore. Now there's still some from Strike Force who compete. And there are still a couple from WEC that compete. But for the most part, a lot of those fighters are Dunsky. So the nostalgic being in me is like, yeah, it's kind of tough. But also the realist in me understands that, and to use Raul Roses Jr. as an example, five years from now, way to, like, there's going to be this new crop of fighters that we're going to be blown away by.

This isn't, like, we're living in a world where Raul Roses, I mean, Roses is trained since he was four. like four years old that's insane and there are kids now out there that are training three four years like when i was growing up this wasn't an option what the options were where you can go play baseball and basketball and hockey and football and like you could take karate classes but to even think that being a like being a fighter as a like a professional fighter like no one no one ever thought about that. No one ever thought about that in the late 80s, early to mid-90s. No one thought about that. And now kids are just jumping into jiu-jitsu and M.M.A. classes like four, five, six years old. And they're going like four or five days a week. Raul Roses is fighting,

Raul Rosa had 22 fights before his first official amateur fight. The dude's got experience. And that's what like a lot of these kids are getting out. Kids' MMA events are like a very big thing now. A very big thing. So this sport is just got, like five years from now, the sport's going to look way different because we're going to have just Uber super talented dudes just coming in right off the gate. It's not just going to be like who's the first available guy that will take this fight. It's going to be, holy shit, we got to sign this kid. He's ridiculous. He's been training and competing for years. Now, the Rose's Junior thing is interesting because I don't

really think, I don't think, like, the age certainly didn't hurt because it became part of the headlines and stuff like that. Holy crap, a 17-year-old fighter. But anybody who watched this kid compete on UFC FightPass, by the way, because he fought with UWC,

the dude was just running through everybody. Like, the talent was on it. You could not ignore how talented this kid was. And even just like interviewing him, I didn't feel like, like, if I didn't know he was 17, I wouldn't think he was 17. I would have thought he was like 20. Super mature

for his age. So while there were there are certainly fighters off this season of the contender series that should have gotten developmental deals. And if you wanted to give Roses a developmental deal, I wouldn't have an issue with it. But I don't actually,

I'm not all that surprised that they signed him either. Mando Gutierrez is a good fighter. Like he's a good prospect, real good. Like they didn't throw him in with some squash matchy opponent. They tested him with a really good guy, and he killed him. He ran him over.

He dominated him. Amanda was tough. He tried to heart out of a lot of different things, but I'll beat him, like convincingly. So I'm not surprised they gave him a deal, and he is going to be 18 shortly. And the bone nickel thing, I've talked about this before. At first I was like, oh, come on, how do you not sign this?

how do you not sign this guy? And then you realize, and I feel like this would, like if Raoul Rojas Jr. fought on the second episode of the Contender series, he wouldn't have got signed. I guarantee it. Guarantee you wouldn't have got signed.

They would have, they would have quote unquote signed him. Because let's be honest. Boe Nickel is under UFC contract. I would bet money he is under UFC contract. this is like this is his developmental deal we are in the middle of bow nichols developmental deal i can i'm pretty sure like i just doting the eyes cross this dude was like i think he was signed before the contender series fight i think they

had already locked him up to some sort of developmental deal and his developmental fights will just be on the contender series because that's an own separate quote unquote promotion it's just tied in as a feeder to the ufc but the contender series is not the UFC. It's its own promotion. Like they could do their own, like this is separate from the UFC altogether. Now,

the prize leads to the UFC, but it's a totally separate promotion. If you go to the Vegas, if you go to Nevada Athletic Commission, DWCS is a promotion. It's not the UFC presents. It's Dana-Oad's contendish season, an actual fight promotion.

But they use that fight promotion for different ways. It's part of their feeder league, so to speak, and that's how they could use these developmental deals. So Bo Nickel was basically, in my opinion, he was signed. Because International Fight Week, Bo Nicol was there. He was a featured guy going around doing interviews with the media. He's on Fight Pass. He's doing all these different things. To me, that kind of told me, Bo was already under lock and key. But this is just his developmental deal. Goes and

gets a win. It was like the second week. The UFC saw how much press this guy was getting, how much excitement was behind him the hype. So they were like, you know what? We're just going to give him another fight still under our developmental deal and everyone's going to watch this guy fight again. Everyone's going to be talking about this dude fighting again. And had Raul Roses fought on week two of the contender series

or week one of the contender series, they would have done the same thing with him, I think. They would have said, hey, you know, he's 17. he's really good and really talented but we're going to give him one more fight on here. Why? Because they saw how much buzz this kid was getting even before he fought because he was 17.

And I don't think they expected it. So that's what I think. That's the difference. Bo is signed. Bo's going to go and beat the hell out of this dude, Donovan Beard, who I, and it's a fine fighter. But Boe's going to go on there and he's going to take him down.

He's going to smash him. And then he's going to get a contract. Like then they're going to be a contract. Like then they're going to say, hey, come get your contract, even though we kind of know he already kind of has one already. So they're just kind of, they're just kind of doing these developmental deals, like before the developmental deal, so to speak.

But I really wish the contender series would give away more of those things. They're just, there's, there's, there's, I have to go back into like all the seasons, like all the episodes this season, but there's a bunch of fighters who, are not UFC ready. They got wins and got contracts. Some with a lot of talents, and you can see, but just are not ready for this thing.

And Roses, I think he's ready, but I just hope they, they're going to match make for him accordingly. They're going to get him in there with like other contender series contract winners or short notice regional talents. Like they're not going to throw them in there

with Chris Gutierrez right off the bat. And they shouldn't. You got to build this kid up, just like they're doing with Joe Piper. They're going to get Roses wins. And there's nothing wrong with that. So that's what we can expect. Boarding for Flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. What?

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Yo, Mike. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes. Great. That's great. Yeah, damn, it's been a while. I also kind of wasn't really expecting to get, to become one of the chosen few.

But it's good to be back. I have been listening, even though I haven't been participating. And, yeah, you've been killing it as usual. and okay so I guess my question is personally from the rest of the year from now until December 31st what are your top at least from fights that are already announced and official what are your top three most anticipated fights and why usually the UFC you know like right Right now the UFC is going through is like a little bit of a, what's the word, a recuperating phase. You know, the cards are not really that hot, but I remember I had a similar feeling last year around this time.

And then that final stretch of last year was just spectacular with all the paper views and the fight nights that came. So, yeah, that's, my question is, what are your top three most anticipated fights? And why for the rest of the year, for the rest of 2022? That's it. Wishing you a fantastic rest of the Friday, a great weekend. And it's good to talk to you again, Mike. Have a heck of a, heck of a weekend. Thanks, buddy.

Top three. I'll go, like, I'll play a little bit. I mean, number one is Machachev. It was Oliver Mockachev. no doubt about it. It's the most intriguing fight of the year anyways. And it's just going to get even more intriguing, the closer we get to October 22nd,

which is going to be here before you know it. Or a month away from that card. UFC 280 looks great. I will put Adasania Pereira on that list because of the story. And I just don't know. Like Alex Pereira could be the best middleweight in the world right now or he could be like the eighth best middleweight in the world right now.

And I kind of want to know the answer to that question. And we will get the answer to that question at UFC 281. So I'll throw those two out there. I'll go a little more under the radar with the rest. Batush Gamrod versus Benil Daryush is just not getting enough attention at all. So I'm really looking forward to that. It's an intriguing fight. And I'm just curious to see the aftermath of it.

Like what if Benial wins? Will he get that title shot that he deserves? Or will he get passed over again? What if Gamrod wins? What happens then? So I'll throw that in there. I mean, Pory Chandler is going to be insane, but I feel like that's too easy of an answer.

Calvin Cater, Arnold Allen, very excited about. It's a big one at 145. Is Arnold Allen the real deal? We'll find out. We'll find out because he's going to have his hands full of Calvin Cater. And Cater's team, I've told you about this since the show began. Cater's team has wanted this fight for a long time. So let's see if they

that they get the result that they think they're going to get. I'm looking forward to that one. One more. I'll go Bryce Mitchell, Mobbzar of Lov, especially if that's the main event. And I really hope it is the main event for that November 5th card because they don't have a headliner yet.

They don't have a headliner. And by the way, now I just thought of a different question. UFC going to Orlando. What's the main event? Right now, the target of main event is Derek Brunson versus Jack Hermanson. But like I said, I mean, it doesn't look like the Hamzak-Colby thing will happen. I would love to have seen that one headline it. But, hey, listen, if you want to do Corey Sanhagen versus Marlon Vera headlining that card in Orlando, I'm cool with that too.

That's a better main event than Brunson versus Hermanson. No disrespect. It's just, that's a better fight. The stakes are higher in that one. Stakes are way higher than Brunson-Hermanson. Let's go to Zique. We try to get to everybody here. Zinc.

Zinc are you there? My man, Mike. How are we? Good. How are you? Good morning. Heck of a Friday to you. You too.

So talk to me about, I guess, Bellator today because it's the only kind of fights, you know, combat sports we're going to have this weekend. Obviously, familiar with you well, Romero, but obviously kind of a Chad-Dash square when it comes to UFC. So definitely not too familiar. with anybody on Bellator. So I guess besides Yuel Romero,

give me another fight that you're kind of interested in if you do no one and why. And then I'm going to take you into a completely different world here because I don't know, I'm kind of like your Boston guy to a sense, even though I'm a Yankee New York guy. So talk to me about what the heck is going on in the Boston Celtics locker room.

Good luck and have yourself a heck of a morning. Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, you kind of, kind of as a Boston sports fan, you kind of sit through the disaster of this Red Sox season and you look at this Patriots team and you just kind of understand that if you make the playoffs,

it is like an insane victory with the squad they have right now. And then you're just like, you know what? Let's just look ahead to the winter slash spring sports into the early summer. Let's look at the NHL. Let's look at the Bruins. Let's look at the Celtics. Let's get excited for them.

Celtics are going to be better than they were last year. They went to the finals, all dinged up. They hung with Golden State. I still think a fully healthy Celtics team beats that Golden State team. Maybe they don't. I don't know. I feel like that they were the better team, but Golden State showed out. Celtics didn't.

There you go. They reload, get the tools they need, and then this shit happens with Adoka and all this crap it sucks it sucks and it's got to be bad we're getting like little bits and pieces but the way it like was kind of framed earlier

was that it was a consensual relationship but it doesn't seem like that's the case now so I don't know I think this is like much worse than this is probably end up being worse than we're getting right now but yeah, it's going to be interesting. I mean, the team's still there. Hopefully, the interim coach has the respect to the players,

and if he does, the team will be good. It'll be real good. And I'll just try to be cautiously optimistic about that, and that's that. It's Bellator Cardi. I mean, look, Benson, Henderson, Peter Cuelly, it's fine. We understand why this fight is made. Peter Quilley entrance is going to get

social media play because it's going to be super cool. Obviously a lot of the Irish fighters, a lot of the SBG fighters on the card. Mads Bernal Pedro Carvalio will be fun. Brett Johns, he's back.

The Carl versus Carl fight should be fun. I mean, Georgi Karakhanian's on the card. Jed mentioned Darag Kelly versus Kai Steve. could be a little interesting because you got like the UK versus the Irish sort of rivalry going down. But I don't know. Listen, it's it's going to be a fine watch. It's going to be a fine watch. But listen, if you have something else to do on a Friday afternoon and you don't want to watch it, like, I get it.

If you're just like, can only take so much a Bellator, I would probably wait until next week. That card's much better. But this will be fine. The Dublin crowds always kind of brings a certain energy that, gives a nice boost to these fight cards. And, hey, listen, Friday afternoon MMA, you're not going to get much argument for me on that, but this is the best Bellator card. God, though. Is it the worst?

No, it's fine. It's fine. It'll be fun. I think we'll watch them and be like, all right, that was kind of cool. Let's go to Rips and Picks. What's up, Mike? How are you? Can you hear me?

Yes, I got you. How are you? Good, good, man. Friday to you and everyone. A heck of a morning. I got two things for you. One thing is just kind of the first thing I saw when I hopped on Twitter today, which is Hamzot to 185. I mean, I know we already know he can fight at 185, but just curious if you think that's going to kind of just be his future home. And then the next thing is Bellator is today. But I feel like PFL's kind of becoming the second biggest promotion. I mean, it just seems like a lot of fighters are opting to fight for them,

you know, especially we got like Tiago Santos, Shane Burgos, you know, just, some of the more recent ones, but, you know, they also have like an ESPN deal, you know, so it's the same thing we're watching the UFC on versus Bellator's like a Showtime subscription. Just curious what you think the role of PFL is now. You think they're maybe taking the spot as second place? Thanks, Mike. Thanks, man. Yeah, we talked about the Hamzaa thing.

Listen, if Hamza wants to play 185 is going to do damn well. It's just, it's just, it's an interesting spot for him because he can make 170. he's made it there have been times where he has struggled but again i was in jacksonville i watched this man step to the scale hit 170 on the dot for the gilbert burns fight didn't look destroyed didn't look wiped out looked like he was fine so i honestly think it's on him like i honestly think this is on him like if he truly wanted to be a welterweight he could be a welterweight he could do it kevin holland i i don't talk to kevin as much anymore because he's on aerial show and that's fine.

He talks to Damon a lot. But I used to talk to Kevin all the time. And we talked about the 170 move. Even when I think I interviewed him, the first time he talked about it, I think he told that to James Lynch, but then I talked to him right before UFC Boston when he lost to Brennan Allen.

He's been talking about the 170 move for like two years, but was very comfortable at 185 because he could just get out of bed and like eat pizza and stuff during fight. camps and just roll out of bed and like run two laps and make 185 and it was doing really well. But he also said that if he made the decision to move to 170, he was going to take it very seriously and it would give him the discipline that he never really had at 185. And I thought that was a real sort of compelling look at his fighting future.

And if Hamza can kind of find that same mojo, I mean, he could make one set. Like, he's a big dude. He could make it. I don't think he's got, like, years at 170, but if he took it seriously, like, I even said, like, for the Diaz fight week, and any time he fights in Vegas or anywhere else, do not stay at the fighter hotel.

Do not stay anywhere, like, where there's stuff that's easily accessible, most notably restaurants and food and things like that, because, again, I wasn't following around Hamzat the whole week, but, I mean, you've seen enough evidence on social media to know that he just wasn't really disciplined during fight week. But if he just got an Airbnb and brought out like a chef or some sort of nutritionist to just cook him meals, the right meals for a weight cut, I think he could make it.

But again, if you want to stay at 185, there's fights for him there. And I think you'd do very well there. And I think he'd be the champion. But the biggest fights for him are at 170. There's no doubt about it. His biggest fights are at 170. Colby's massive, Usman's massive,

all those fights are bigger. 185, costal will be fun, but then what? Adasani's been talking about moving to 205. I don't know what else Adesania has left to do at 185.

If he beats Alex Pereira, like what else is there? He's already beaten everybody and some guys twice. So I think his future at 185 is I think that door is to close. If he beats Alex Pereer and beats him convincingly,

he's got nobody else to fight. So why not just make the move then to 205? I just don't know what other challenges are left for him at White 85. He's already beaten everybody. At that point, like, does he just fight for the belt against

Robert Whitaker? I mean, they're supposed to be like these new tag team partners which I'd be happy with because I think Whitaker would do a lot of good for for Hamza. honestly, but I don't know. I mean, it's healthy for him, but definitely the bigger fights for him are at 170.

But maybe that's what it's not about at this point. He just wants to go in there and fight as often as possible and get some wins. And I think if he wants to be a champion, he's got a very good chance of 185, especially if Adasani moves up. I think he'd beat Adasani anyways, but if Adasania moves up to 205 if he beats Pereira, which I wouldn't blame him for. I don't know

We'll see what happens We'll definitely see what happens Let's go to Siveram The wheel is spinning Civeram, are you there? How are you, Mike? I'm good, how are you?

Yeah, I'm fine There is no main events in EFC Next team It's the EFC and days are moving very slowly, Mike. How do you feel? You love the Pelt's 280? Yeah, I'm very hyped up for the UFC 280 and 281.

I can't wait to see the fight between all the fights in 280 and main event in the 281, Chandler v. Dustin, it's the most exciting fight after EFC 280. So I think 280 and 281 pretty much very exciting fights stacked in those two events. So until now, the days are going very slowly for me because there is no entertainment in a MMMA world except for those boxing matches that nobody cares in an India. That's it, Mike. And one thing about the – I want to ask you about two things.

One thing is about the Tony Ferguson. So, D.C. is saying a lot of things to Tony. And how do you react to those comments about Tony? And second thing is, have you seen the interview between Mike and Michael Chandler and Dustin Poria, conducted by D.C.? And how do you react to those both guys' arguments? and I think they're feeling competitive to each other. That's why they're sort of going front and back in that interview.

I see Dustin going to pull that win against Chandler and who you got on that fact. That's it, Mike. Thanks, man. Yeah, the 280 build is kind of a long road because we're still a month away from that one. It seems like it should be a week from now. But I think it's kind of a good thing.

It's nice to build anticipation. Because we've just been in and doubt with event after event, after event, after events, after events, like every week for like, it just seems like a half a year. It's like every week there's a card. And that's great for the viewer. But when you're trying to build up these big cards, like you have to give us some kind of a break.

And even like I kind of like, doing here. Like we're, we got a week off, take a little breather. We come back for this Dern Janjan Khan Khan Khan card, which isn't great, honestly, but we're just going to be jacked up to see fights. Like, we get a chance to miss it for a little while. And then we get another week off, and then we come back on the 15th. We get another card, which isn't spectacular on paper, but that card will be used to just amp up the excitement of UFC 280. This is going to be UFC 280 promo city with fights mixed in between them.

And by the time 280 rolls around, we are going to be fired up. We are going to be ready to go. And then it's just onwards. And then we're just on fire from there because we got the Cater Allen card right after that. And we have November 5th. We get two high-stakes fights on that.

We just don't know which one's going to main event. Because we got Rodriguez-Lame Ocean. And then we got if Loy of Mitchell. I hope it's of Loy of Mitchell is the main. event. Just sound off on that one. I mean, come on. Give these two the main event.

We saw what happened when we all spoke for the Armand Sarukia, Matush Gamrott, fight being the main event, and we got one of the best fights of the year out of that one. The fight, that's the fight I've watched the most this year. I go back and watch that fight like every week because it's just so good. And I think we'd get something similar from Vloyvin-Mitchell as well. So, yeah. And then 281's right after. that so we're going to be on a nice little run for the rest of the year we just got to get through

the next few weeks and i think having like a week off in between some of these cards is it's not a bad thing at all it's not a bad thing at all let's go to tristan hey mike can you hear me everybody yep i got you so um i didn't get to i don't know i didn't get to hear you about with um I guess for Bo Nicola who would you max match him up next after this fight here it's been racking my

brain like who would you match him up it's just so many middle so many of the middleweights are are booked already so I mean this is kind of like an odd no situation here that we're doing right now so who would you have a match who would you match him up let's say

because I just have a feeling if he gets if he gets a quick finish he's going to go up He was like, I want to fight in December. Get me on one of those December cards. Would it be a type of that situation where they'll have to find somebody for him for December? Or do you feel like one of those middleweights are going to drop out and he's going to just fill right in? You know, because I'm racking my brain here. I got, I have him fighting, I had him fighting against Abdul, Razan, Al-Hassan.

but he pulled out he fought Jamie Pickett but he pulled out I don't know how significant his injury was the reason why he was with Drew then there's Ian Hinesh I think I don't know if he's coming back I think he may come back next year because I don't know if he had a significant injury Brad Tavares just fought DDP is he going to take you know and that what is that

it's going to be his I mean he can make that December card but I don't I don't know I mean I don't know how damaged how hurt he you you know, how damage or he needs time. But, I mean, he did fight July 2nd, but the problem is what, he's in the top 15. I don't know if they're going to do that. Just throw him in there.

Like, yeah, we'll give you Brad Tavares. You know, I don't know if they're going to do that because I think I remember you were saying, well, you got to kind of slow roll him a little bit. You know, so what are your thoughts on that? Do you think if he comes in, makes quick work on Tuesday, and then he's like, I want to get on that December car, let's go.

I want to fight before the end of the year. do you see more that one of those middleweights are going to drop out and he's just going to fill back in? Just want to know your thoughts on that. Thanks, Mike. Yeah, I don't think he's fighting anybody that high. He'll fight like a, and I'm not saying this is like disrespectful names, but these are guys he's probably going to be. He'll fight like a trade. I mean, I know Trachon Goers fighting Josh from October 29th, but it would be somebody like that, someone like a Dustin Stoltzvist who is,

a fine fighter, but will probably be a massive underdog. It's going to be somebody like that. Just for like the first couple. Maybe a Mark Andre burial, because we saw, like, he's not great at defending takedowns. Maybe just throw him in there, like, with that, throw him in there with MAB. Because then you think to yourself like, hey, MAB is good. Like, he's a good fighter. He's tough as hell.

He's got UFC wins. It seems like a step up in competition. I don't know how quickly he can bounce back from the fight with Anthony Hernandez. I mean, these are the kinds of fights. Something like that. And then you just slowly move them up from there. Like Joseph Holmes, those types of guys. And then we move them up to like, I don't know, the,

maybe the, maybe, maybe Alassan, maybe like the Roman copulops of the world, guys like that. And then we can slowly get a couple wins there that we can start talking about the Eric Anders type. the Phil Haas types, and then if he just goes three and oh against those guys, then we could start talking like top 15. Bo's going to be fine.

I think he's going to be super active. He's a guy that's going to fight like three times a year. I'm not saying like they're going to slow roll Joe Piper. They're going to slow roll him. They're not going to give him like top 15 matchups for like the next couple of years. They're just going to put him in the types of matchups where he can style and he can get over. And they're going to keep building him up.

They don't need to do that with Bo. because Beau's already super over as it is, but you don't want to throw your biggest new prospect, the new shiny toy in there with frigging Gerald Mearshardt's first fight or the Nasredine Imovs of the world, let him build some confidence, get a couple of wins. Yeah, somebody like that. I don't know if he's going to slide into a short-notice fight.

They'll probably look at him like a Mahamahev, where they just they'll tease fight news, it'll come out, and it'll be a build. It's not just going to be like, hey, Bo Nichols fighting in two weeks

to step in for this guy. I don't think that happens. Let's go to Juicy Betts. Hey, how's it going, Mike? Good. See you. I know it popped in yesterday. I was talking about

like Canadian and M.M.M.A. And I love how you just mentioned Mohamed Makaa, because that was actually one of my questions is the, or maybe more of a comment. I mean, you know, I don't get why they're matching this guy.

up with Malcolm Gordon. You know, Gordon, look, granted, he's coming off two fights that, you know, maybe shouldn't have won, you know, I think he's, you know, he's on a bit of a run right now. And I just don't get why they need to feed this guy to Makayev now. Not really a competitive fight in my eyes. I mean, Makayev should pretty much eat him alive.

And I hate to see it, man. I was on here yesterday talking about Canadian MMA and how we can't seem to catch a break. And like, here's another prime example. one more one other thing i just wanted to mention is just i heard a rumor that rickie simone and frankie edgar might be fighting in new york just wanted to see if you heard anything about that um i've not heard anything about that i have to look i mean i honestly i haven't this whole week i haven't really been on twitter

all that much i'm trying to like just kind of like outside doing this show and doing some other stuff but i haven't honestly haven't seen any reports about that and you would think that you would think that this is something that would pop up immediately on my feed yes I don't see anything but

listen if it happens it's fine like I wanted to see the Josealdo Frankie had your fight we're not going to get that it's fine it's a fight Frankie can win too that's like Ricky's really good, but Frankie can win that fight. Frankie was beating Marlon Vera

for a little while until he got kicked in the friggin face. Frankie's been competitive with a lot of these guys. I know we look at the Corey Sanhagen flying knee and that hurt our feelings a lot because it's just a beautifully timed knee and Corey's well prepared for that fight, but Frankie's still competitive for the

most part. Like he's had some tough losses and some bad knockouts, but he was giving Marlera some fits out there. And Marlon ended up winning the fight, but there are a lot of people who felt like if that kick doesn't land, Frankie wins that fight. So, yeah, I think it's a fine fight. I think it's competitive. I think Simone will probably win it, but listen, Frankie's been in this position many times where people think he's done, and then he gets the young whippersnapper coming in, and then Frankie just beats the brakes off

of him. And the last fight of his career, MSG, who knows? But yeah, if they book that fight, I'm fine with it. Without Jose or if they can't get Cruz in there, I'm fine with Ricky Simone. Just don't throw him in there with like Umar and Marga Madoff or somebody like that because that would be, don't do that to him. Don't do that to him. And then the Maha'iath thing, listen, from what I understand,

Muhammad is having a very tough time finding guys who will say yes to fight him. Malcolm Gordon said yes. Here we are. Mahiath wants the top 15 guy. and if I'm a top 15 flyweight right now, I ain't even like entertaining this dude. Like I'm not focused on Mahiaf at all. And he's going to eventually have,

he's eventually going to get there. And once he starts fighting these guys and he gets a win, then these guys are just going to have like no choice but to fight him. But people are just saying like, look, he's 21. He's 2 in the UFC. Like, how dare he call me out? And I don't blame him.

I don't blame him. blame him. I'm like Brandon Roy Val or any of those guys. I'm like, why? I'll go fight a top five guy for a chance to fight for the belt. Why would I fight this undefeated 21-year-old kid who has a great debut? And then he fought a guy who was making his UFC debut. Like, I get where they're coming from.

And Malcolm Gordon is a gamer, man. He's just going to say, he's just going to say yes. He sees the opportunity here. what if he wins it's a huge opportunity to be a huge win for him but yeah i'm with you i think bahaif's going to win that flight troy hello hey mike how you doing excuse me good yeah i just wanted to talk about um shemaiah tweeting out 185 and i think i think the reason that he might be doing to one 85 right now is he wants to get a fight in by the end of the year that's also what his coach said and i think colby's been radio silence so i

I don't really see Colby looking for that fight right now, which kind of sucks because that was the matchup I really wanted to see. And I agree with you, like he could easily make 170. He's only missed one time, which was just a weird week anyways. So, yeah, so I feel like the Colby Shemaya fight is what most people wanted, but now it looks like it's going to have to be probably Kasa versus Shemayev, just because Shemayev was saying that he doesn't want to fight Whitaker really, and I guess they're like buddies now.

So I was just wondering what you think his next matchup might be at 185. And also here's another thing, too, who else would he even be able to fight at 170 because it seems like everyone's booked. So other than Colby, I really don't know who else he was going to fight at 170 anyways. so obviously like the winner of Leon versus Usman but that's not going to happen until March so he doesn't really want to wait all the way till July or next year so yeah anyways thanks thanks man yeah I mean Colby seems to make sense we just sort of pull up the wealth way rankings um Mazvedal?

Mazadol would make sense mazadol's talk some smack be a big fight for for mazadol and listen And the one thing Mazdaal said that's kind of been holding Shemaya back was selling pay-per-views and things like that. The dude's selling pay-per-views now, that's damn sure. So you could do that. I mean, you could do the winner of, listen, I'm going to say this again, and hopefully this is what happens, okay? If I'm Belal Mohammed or I'm Sean Brady, on October 22nd, sorry, landscapers are here, On October 22nd, if you win that fight, you call that dude out. You call him out.

You do it, especially if you're Bilal. Bilal, please, please, Belal. If you beat John Brady, call out Chayyaf. Don't call out Colby. Don't call it Edwards. Don't call out Usman. You call out Hamzaa Chamaif. You spit fire.

That's what you do. If you're Sean Brady, you do the same thing. You try to poke and prod this guy to go back to 170. I think there's fights from there. The 185 thing is interesting because if he does want to fight before the end of the year, I don't think the cost of fight happens. I think if the cost of fight happens, it's going to happen next year, like early next year. Paul's hurt.

Just had surgery. It's going to be a little bit of a bill to get back and then get in a fight shape and do all that stuff. Like, I don't know if Paul is going to be ready into something. So it'll be interesting to see what they do with them. But if they can try to get them on a card, they're going to certainly try to get them on a card. It's going to be the most interesting story in the sport right now. All right. So we'll go to average avenues.

We're going to crypto, Jay, and Ani, and that are going to get out of here. Average avenues, hello. Good. How are you? All right. So since it's a free-for-all, I thought I'd give you a little bit of a different one. Okay, so you've got, you have the power to overturn the results of three different fights in U.S.E. history. The loser of that fight is now the winner.

You get one caveat, though. You can only turn one controversial fight. The other two, just random. Okay, have a good damn man, cheers. Oh, Jesus. I mean, the one I'm overturning for sure is, is Carlos Konda Robbie Law. Carlis Konda is the wealthyweight champion. That is, that's for sure.

That's the way it should have been. So that's, that's what I'm going with. Man, the other two are tough. I'm going to go, like, I'm just going to pick one, okay? And it's not a result. It's just because I want it to see more. more. And it's,

this is going to be a weird one because it's one of the most historic moments in UFC history. It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen watching this sport live. I just wish Connor McGregor

didn't knock out Jose Aldo that quickly. I'm going to say, I'm going to rewrite history and just say that Connor like missed that punch or that Aldo got the better of that exchange

and just both guys got hit hard. and no one fell. And that fight just continued on. So I'll go with that one. I'll go with that one. Just because I wanted to see, like, I just, I just always wanted to see what that fight would have looked like. And I'm not, like, I still think Connor would have won that fight that night.

But I just wanted to see more. I wanted to, I just wanted to see more. So just out of curiosity, just to go down a weird, go down a weird road. I'll go with that one. Just, uh, since we're giving Aldo the shine this week anyhow. But that'd be cool. The other one I have to think about.

Crypto, hello. Yes. Hi, Mike. How are you? How are you? Good. Yeah, I would, well, just to latch on to that discussion here, I would definitely go like Ben Asker and Jake Paul

and overturn that result so we don't have to see these celebrity fights. That's the one I would do. 100%, Mike. But yeah, well, anyway, Mike, okay, so yeah, as you said, I mean, there's not a lot of things happening this week. I mean, just to put things into perspective, the co-main event in Belator, the combined age of those guys is 91 years in total. So, I mean, that is just crazy. So I have a different question, Mike. I asked this, I think previously, but I had many questions.

So we didn't discuss this. But could you explain the whole concept of money fights? Because I'm really wondering about this. Like, let's look at Olivera. Let's say that he loses against Makachev. And Makachiev then becomes the champion. And he would then maybe go on to fight Connor if that is something that is being discussed. But does he still get pay-per-view points?

I was wondering the same thing for guys like Fiziev and so. want, I wanted to fight Connor. Like, they are under contract. Like, does the UFC just basically, I mean, yeah, I don't know. How do they approach this? Because it seems to be a really bad deal for them to give additional money to someone that is under contract that has a specific deal because there's not, I mean, you could just ask any random fighter if they want to fight Connor and they will just say yes.

So I was just wondering, Mike, how that works. and yeah that's all thank you yeah i mean you kind of just hit the nail on the head that's i mean there's a reason why everybody wants to fight connor because of the points and you get pieces of different things and Connor does a million plus paper views every time he fights

doesn't matter who he fights he's getting a million buys that's just who he is so yeah i mean Connor's the ultimate money fight right now. 1,000, just like in the boxing world, why do you think like every non-UFC fighter is calling out Jake Paul?

Because it's money. It's money. There's so much money involved. Like, they're not getting like, like Jake Paul Anderson Silva is not going to do like a million pay-per-view buys. But it's going to do fine, but it's going to sell out that arena. People are going to be interested. It'll do well across the board in other ways. days.

But Anderson is going to get a big fat payday. And that's why everybody wants to fight this guy. Because it's a big fat payday. Because of the money involved, the interest, everything that's attached to it. So that's really what the money fight is. I mean, there's certain stars in the sport. There aren't many anymore. But again, there's really, the UFC doesn't need quote-unquote money fights all that much anymore

because the brand is just doing so well that every pay-per-view is going to surpass what it has done over the last couple of years. Like, UFC 278 on paper was fine. It wasn't a great card on paper, but I'm sure it did very well on pay-per-view because of the UFC. So, yeah, everybody wants to fight Connor because if you get pay-per-view points, it's a lot of freaking money. And it's got to do a million.

You get incentives. So pay for yourself like $250,000, you get this month. or if you know, 400,000 this much, 600,000 this much, a million you get this much, like on top of your already pay. So that's why the money fight error is just kind of weird, but I don't think, like, I think that era has kind of, it's not gone away, but it's definitely fizzled out a little bit because the brand is just so strong right now

and Connor doesn't fight all that often. He misses lots of time in between, so you have to figure out other ways to, to make your moves. You know what I mean? All right, let's go to Jay and then we'll go to Ani. Jay, hello. Hey, Michael.

What's up, man? So, I'm pretty sure I asked you this question a couple weeks ago, but I think it's even better now since Jose Aldo retired. But do you think the UFC should push back there Brazil pay-per-view card in January in order for it to receive its max potential? Because Jose Aldo was a big chunk of that card, I think of my opinion for the main card.

And now that he's retired, the only two title fights, like, right now they can book for sure. I'm pretty sure with no problem. Like Moreno and Figgy 4, which is great. And Amanda Nunes at 145 or 35, whichever her preference is. But other than that,

there's really not, I would say, that many ranked or really super hyped right now. Brazil fighters, just sure many prospects and young up and covers that they can definitely stack up on the card. But that's really like someone. competing for a title shot or someone that's like in the title content right now. I think they're really losing out.

They can maybe put Hamza and Paula Costa like you mentioned before a while, a couple minutes ago. That might be great. But I just wanted to know, do you think the U.S. should push that date back? No. They shouldn't push that date back. They've been out of that market for so long. The last time they were there was like right when all this crazy this started and they were going to cancel the event.

and they said, you know what, we're going to move forward. We're just not going to let anybody in the building. And it was crazy. And they haven't been back since. So, no, they have this new deal with Fight Pass over there and the new TV deal and everything. They're not going to delay that. And they'll be fine.

Doesn't matter. Like, sometimes it's just like the ambiance of the card that that sells everything. Like even, like even the UFC London card. When they went back to London, was that the best card in the world on paper? No, but you had a lot of local fighters, the fans are jacked, and that just made that event so much better. Now, all you got to do is just put a title on the line and it makes it better. Like, the January pay-per-views aren't typically that stacked anyhow,

but who knows, like maybe Oliver will turn around quick, and if he beats Mokachev, if you can get Paul Koster, Hamzaa Shemayev on that card, you don't need much else. that fight alone will sell the card. And then if you want to sprinkle, like, a Nunes title fight, or obviously if you could do Moreno Figgy 4 on that one, and then you put Costa Hamzat as the featured fight, you're good to go.

You are good to go with those three fights. And then you'll obviously put other good matchups on there, a lot of local talent, of course, but that's a three-fights slate right there. That's going to sell a half a million pay-per-views, mostly because of Hamzat and Costa. That will be the big selling point, but you get the two title fights on top of that.

I'm sure the market will be, we'll be very happy with that. All right, let's go to Ani, and then I got to go. It's almost Ballator time. What's up? Yes. I'm actually walking back home from work. But if you can hear me, it's all right.

So, I mean, everything that I wanted to talk about related to MMA was already covered. So I think I'll just give you a piece of advice if that's all right. You see, I am a pro wrestling fan as well. So I was watching, the way I was watching professional wrestling was in WWE around 2007, 2008, when John Cina Randi and all were there. And then, towards 2000, you know, starting from UFC 220, I started watching UFC. So I'm a W-W-E guy and then became a mixed martial arts guy. And now I've slowly started picking up professional wrestling again.

So, you know, now when I watch professional wrestling, you know, I think it feels like, do you know how a mixed martial artist would feel if he was watching a mixed martial arts-based movie? Does it make sense? Right. I don't understand. So that's how it will feel. So the advice that I have for you is until WWE gets done with the Saudi Arabia card, don't watch it. Please, for any, for the love of God, do not watch the product until the Saudi Arabia card is done. Because, you know, WW tends to do things that will actually insult your intelligence.

I suggest you keep watching AEW because if you like, I mean, what do you like? Do you like action or do you like the storyline bit of professional resting from the little bit that you watched? What did you like? I mean, it's like a mix, you know? It's a mix of the two. Like, I, anything else you want to add, then I'll talk about all this? I want to add a little bit if that's all right. So that's what I'm saying.

So I want you to watch AW more than WW at least at the moment because until the Saudi Arabia show, the WW is going to be a bit stale. because the Saudi Arabia show is just about money. Like, they are bringing in Logan Paul for crying out loud, right? You know, I still feel that that is a spot wasted, and someone like a Kevin Owens or someone, you know, a better wrestler could have enjoyed that spotlight. But it's all right. So I just say that do not watch WWU until then.

Maybe you can get the Saudi Arabia show, it's all right. But do not watch the weekly episodic television shows of WWU until the Saudi Arabia show. and make sure you're checking out the one that comes in November, the Survivor Series. I think it's going to be really action-packed, and I think it's going to be nice. But I would be leaning towards AEW if I would do, because I'm a hardcore mixed martial arts guy.

And if I want to, you know, keep a balance between protesting and mixed martial arts, I would pick AEW over WW any day. That's all I have. Awesome. Thanks, man. Yeah. Listen, I don't know how old you are, Ani, but I'm a little bit older. I basically grew up in like the two greatest versions of pro wrestling there ever was. I grew up in the like late 80s.

Hulkamedia was running wild brother, alternate warrior, like Brett Hart, all that stuff. And then I got to go through the Montreal screw job and the rise of things. Stone Cold and the rock and like the attitude era where I mean everything was I went to freaking WrestleMania 14 where Steve Austin won the the WWF title for the first time like

that was the shit it was awesome and then you know 2000s come around it just starts to go down they do the stupid angle with you know the invasion which killed

everything and these different motions have tried to do different things and it just hasn't been great. Vince just booked like crap. And like now it's starting to like turd. And like just when AEW got momentum, they're, I don't know, the whole organization's run like shit. Their executive vice presidents are going into locker rooms and attacking wrestlers because they said something at a press conference about them. Like, it's just falling apart. I do like AEW. I like MJF. He's great. He's great. I watched the whole show on Wednesday. It was fine.

It's just, here's what drives you the craziest about AEW. Chris Jericho is 137 years old. This dude should not be beating anybody. And he's just beating everybody. And it pisses me off. It makes no sense that he's getting wins over. I mean, it's fake and all that stuff. But like, Chris Jericho is 137.

And he's wrestling like these up and comers that are trying to become stars and they're putting 137 year old man over like i don't get it like chris jericho has to beat everybody he just kind of like latches on to the hot thing now i will say this jericho has stepped up the game last two weeks have been great i thought he's had two great matches i'm glad he won the ring of honor title because now he could put over young talents he could kind of do what cina did with the u.s title and all that stuff and have good matches with young fighter, young wrestlers, and eventually he'll lose the title to Daniel Garcia,

and that'll be cool. But, yeah, I mean, A.W is fine. I think the booking is pretty shitty at times, but, and I think, like, some of the matches, like, every match has to be a frigid six-star match that's, like, 47 minutes long. Like, just go out there and, like, have a regular match. Like, not everything has to be the Tokyo Dome.

Just go in there, and wrestle and tell stories. That's it. But I don't know. I'm trying. People keep saying, I'm telling you, you're going to try it. You're going to try it. And I'm trying to get back into it.

Slowly I'm starting to get a little more positive about it. But there have been a number of AEW shows that I've watched. I've been like, the hell did I just waste two hours of my life for? Why did I watch that shit? It's horrible. Terrible. But that's it. I got to go.

this one Enjoy Bellator, everybody. Get some afternoon MMA. Three of them start in like an hour and 20 minutes. Then the main card starts at 4 p.m. Eastern. So it should be fun. I'll be back Tuesday. We'll do this again.

I'll be back like full force. Getting after it. Vacation will be officially over on Tuesday. And we'll start here and we'll have some damn fun. And that's it. So thank you very much. Enjoy the card, enjoy the day, enjoy the weekend. And as always, have a heck of a morning, you crazy animals.

Thank you so much.