MMA Fighting - HOAM | The Fallout Of UFC 283, Jamahal Hill's Title Win

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

UFC 283 is officially in the books with two new champions in Jamahal Hill and Brandon Moreno. The overall fallout of the card comes from many different directions, which includes whether or not the new light heavyweight champion is getting the credit he deserves. On an all-new Heck of a Morning, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck takes listener questions about Hill's dominant win over Glover Teixeira in Saturday's main event, and how he is being viewed overall in the 205-pound division. Additionally, topics include Brandon Moreno's impressive title win over Deiveson Figueiredo in the co-main event, Figueiredo moving up to 135, Lauren Murphy reacting to critics following her loss to Jessica Andrade, the Bonfim brothers delivering big time at UFC 283, Islam Makhachev vs. Alexander Volkanovski at UFC 284, Aljamain Sterling's potential move to 145, and more. You can listen live to Heck of a Morning Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays at 10 a.m. ET on the MMA Fighting Twitter Spaces. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Tuesday, January 24th, 2023, and it is indeed a heck of a morning live on the M.A. Fighting Twitter Spaces. You'd hear the show at its entirety shortly thereafter on the M.A. Fighting Podcasting Network. I am Mike Heck. Hope everyone had a great weekend. having a great start to the week. We are coming off of the UFC's first pay-per-view event of 20203.

It was UFC 283, which went down in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. We have two new champions in the UFC, a new light heavyweight champion in Jamal Hill. Incredible performance against Glover Tashara. He gets it done. It was an incredible performance. I think he answered. A lot of questions.

There are still, I think, a few more that need to be answered. But that was an unbelievable performance from Jamal Hill. And then Brandon Moreno, just doing Brandon Moreno type things, defeats Davis and Figurato, ends the rivalry. Will they fight again down the road, perhaps? But it won't be for the same stakes or anything like that. And Brandon Moreno is the undisputed UFC Flyway champion and after a doctor stoppage TKO victory over Davis and Figurato.

Great win for Gilbert Burns. I mean, it was a flawless victory. Jessica Androge, holy cow, what a performance against Lauren Murphy. And then Johnny Walker gets it done. A whole bunch of stories in the prelims. The sad ending to the career of Shogun Hua. Glover Tashira retired as well after the loss of Jamal Hill. And there's just a lot that happened.

some crazy finishes, incredible knockouts, the Bonfine brothers arriving, like, very close to each other with just incredible finishes of their own. Just, it was a fun card. Like, it was a fun card. Is it going to be one that I think at the end of the year is going to be on people's lists for event of 2023? Probably not, but it was good. And like I've said a few times, and I tweeted this out on Sunday,

it was just nice to feel normal in this space. I know there's still a lot of dark clouds hanging above the sport and hanging above the UFC. And those are going to be there for the foreseeable future, ladies and gentlemen. But it was just nice that the headlines were taken over by the fighters themselves. And it was about them. It was about the athletes and about the fights. and the competitors and all that for the most part, which felt nice.

It felt nice during a chaotic 2023. So we could talk about that. We're going to take your calls. Pretty much start to finish here because I don't have much of a monologue, plus my internet causes to start a little bit late live. So I'm not going to hog the program. I'm going to let you guys decipher, but we found out some interesting stuff on the MMA hour yesterday.

Luke Rockhold no longer retain. I don't think that comes it as a giant surprise to most because we are MMA fans, we understand how this all works, but what is surprising somewhat is that

Luke Rockhold is not only unretired, he is a free man. He is no longer under UFC contract. He is a free agent. He can sign with anybody. He can box. He can fight an MMA. He can do kickboxing.

He is, he can go to freaking fight circus if he wants to to and the UFC let him go. And we confirm from the UFC that is in fact true. So Luke Rockhold, free agent. That was some interesting news that we heard on the MAA MAA yesterday. So we can talk about that.

We can talk about UFC 283. And a big shout out to anybody who checked out the watch party. It was a lot of fun. And a big thank you to Drake Riggs, Jose Youngs, and New York Rick for hopping on that. We'll be back there February 11th for UFC 284. and then probably going to do two of them in March for 285 and 286.

So it doesn't appear like the watch party is going anywhere and appreciate everybody for checking it out and for the feedback. So let's go to all of y'all, as the Southerners like to say. Let's get into this thing. Raffid. Hello, sir. I'm good. I'm good. How are you? I'm very good.

So I want to talk about the UFC 283 pay-per-view. this pay-per-view is fucking amazing we saw it too many upsets the terence mckinney one had me shocked you know terence mcquine is the boy and i really thought that he was going to beat bonfim i only had one suspicion because the odds weren't changing on terence mckinney so like just a few hours before the fight i had a suspicion that something is going on and all of a sudden maybe that's true Bonfim knocks him out so I think the odds makers

did expect Bonfim getting the upset but yeah the co-main event went as I thought it was going to be I thought that Brandon Moreno is going to get the finish he did it was Dr. Stoppage

at the main event I didn't think to be honest that's how it's going to go because I thought Jamal Hill takes the finish I think that Glover to Shera took

too much damage against Yuri. But all of a sudden, Jamal Hill goes the distance and beats him up for five rounds. I didn't expect that. But yeah, so what's your thoughts about that? Thank you. Thanks, man.

I was definitely surprised with how the main event ended up. I thought Glover is going to win. I was pretty confident Glover was going to win. And because I just felt like 25 minutes is an awful long time. and Glover's really tough to finish. Like, I'm not, I wasn't shocked that Jamal Hill won

because Jamal Hill is young and still getting better and he hits like a truck. So if Jamal Hill had knocked out Glover to share in the first round, I would not have been surprised, but him going killer post for five rounds. And I made this comparison. It reminded me of Cody Garbrand's win over Dominic Cruz in a lot of respects. It wasn't exactly the same,

but that's what it kind of reminded me of. just many people thought if Cody was going to win, he was going to knock out Dominic Cruz with something quick and out of nowhere and flashy. And instead, Cody goes out and has an incredible five-round performance against Dominic Cruz. And while Cody winning wasn't all that surprising, it was the way he did it that stood out.

And I feel the same way about this win for Jamal Hill. I do agree with something New York Rick said on the MA hour yesterday. That win is going to age. it's we're at a fork of the road with how that wind's going to age and what i mean by that and what rec meant by that was because this the road to getting to that title and how he got into a title opportunity is just kind of weird and it is what it is he's not going to say no to that opportunity of course but we'll find out after his next fight how this win is going to age so to me because i don't even know who he's going to fight like

To me, it's Uri, but we don't know when Uri's coming back. He's saying like July, August, maybe. He hopes that Jamal will wait for him, but he understands if he can. And if Jamal doesn't want to wait for him and just wants to get more reps in, who's he going to fight? Like, is he going to fight Ankalyev? Because I don't know if the U.S.C. is going to make that fight. I don't know if Ankylaiav's in the really good graces of the UFC right now after the fight at 282,

which I didn't think was that bad of a fight. It probably won't be on. Could it be Anthony Smith? I don't know. Like, I honestly have no idea where this division's going to go. They have good fighters. They have a lot of stories. But it's just the path is not clear for it right now.

We need some things to work out and fall into place before this division kind of gets cooking. The Moreno fight kind of went the way I thought it was. I said it was going to be a fourth round TKO. So it was third round. but I mean it's just it went the way I thought it was going to go Moreno is just getting better he has I don't even think he's hit his athletic prime yet figurato's up there in age and father time remains with an incredible record especially in the lower weight classes it's just the way that it is thinking you going up to 135 is going to be interesting

I think he's going to be undersized in a lot of respects but he's still so skilled across the board that there are some really fun interesting matches for him. The McKinney fight, I'm not surprised Bonfim won that one. I mean, the betting lines were exactly where they needed to be. Bonfim is really good. He hadn't lost a fight in like eight years, and the loss was to Hanato Moikano in 2014. The dude is not lost a fight since then. And he's really good. Like, he's really, really good. If you watch tape on him,

he's just a very solid hand. And I thought it would, did I expect him to double double knee Terrence McKinney unconscious? No. But I felt, as I would feel with most Terrence McKinney fights, that if Bonfim can just get out of the first round, he's probably going to win.

And it turned out he even won, he won the first round against Terrence McKinney. We didn't see that typical get-or-get-got McKinney. We got more of a patient, relaxed McKinney, and it's almost like Bonfim is ready for it. Bonfeme just kept waiting for McKinney to throw something, and Bonfim countered beautifully. I mean, it's just a great performance.

I mean, it was picture perfect. And then the knocko was just icing on the cake. Wasn't really surprised that Terrence lost that fight. Because just not because Terrence is a bad fight, it's because Bonfam's a really good fighter. And his win streak and everything he's accomplished is no accident. It's no accident. And then to see his brother go out and get a sub one-minute,

finish a couple of fights later was just ridiculous. So, yeah, all in all, good card, very solid. It was fun to get back to watching pay-per-views and reacting to the storylines, but it was a solid card. It was solid. Let's go to Four-ounce Sniper. Hello. Hello, Mike.

Can you hear me? Yep, I got you. What's up, man? My phone would not unmute. I wanted to talk today about the delusion that Lauren Murphy is potentially dealing with. I don't know if you've seen her tweets or if anybody else has seen all her tweets, but I'm not going to go into that. I kind of want to, I'd rather talk about Jamal Hill.

I've noticed Jamal Hill was getting a lot of hate before this fight. Maybe I didn't see the tweets that he put out that got him or earned him all this hate. But I just, I don't know. I was curious what your thoughts on him are. I lost my train of thought. Sorry, but yeah, I was just curious about your thoughts. and like what did he do to get all this hate? Well, so basically when everything happened with Dana and the slap,

Jamal, Dana White going out at that press conference and saying, do not defend me, I see fighters on Twitter defending me. Jamal Hill is one of those fighters. He, in fact, he was the fighter that defended Dana White and went with the notion of equality and, well, she hit him first and all that. And then when pressed on it, he kind of doubled down on it. And then tripled down in some respects. So some people, there are people in the fan community who share Jamal Hill's thoughts on this.

And I don't agree with him or those people. But he said him. and then he just kept kind of doubling down on it and wouldn't veer off and rub people the wrong way. Now, I will say this. I know John Anick is getting a little bit of heat as well because of kind of what he said on the broadcast. And then John sort of defended that stance and doubled down on it on Twitter. It's kind of a tough spot for John to be in, really, because what's he going to say? What's John supposed to say?

Well, great for Jamal Hill, but he defended Dana White. slapping his wife. So, I mean, he's got to be a broadcaster, right? That's just how it works. He's not a journalist. He's not hosting a show like this. He's on a broadcast. You got to do that.

But that's really it. Now, I have interviewed and met Jamal Hill many times over the years. I met him at International Flight Week and interviewed him face-to-face. in July. And he was very nice. He's very nice. Like, he is a very nice guy. He's very giving. He's very selfless, according to most people that I've talked to, and I've kind of seen it with my own eyes.

But yeah, he whiffed. He whiffed on this whole thing. He is better to just not say anything, especially on social media. But he did, and that's the follow out of it. So it is what it is. and I certainly don't agree with anything that he said, but it just made him, it did not paint him in a good light.

That is for sure. We got after it a little bit here. I know Jed's talked about it on BTL. It's been talked about on other shows as well. Yeah. It basically forced Dana to come out and be like, all right, don't start a fight with fans and defend me on this whole thing because I was wrong and you shouldn't be defending me.

and it was mostly a message for him. So there you go. We haven't heard him like kind of talk about it. Like I don't think he was asked about it at the media day. He didn't show up to the post-fight press conference because him at Goldberg's Jarre just beat the hell out of each other for 25 minutes. So not surprising. But I would expect if he somehow ends up on like the MMA hour tomorrow

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I was like, whoa. So I wonder, Lauren saw that. She was like, yeah, that was bad on my part. She's second guessing herself on that. You know, like, listen, it's the corner has got to do their jobs. They got to throw in the tie. I agree wholeheartedly with Jedmishu. It's not on the ref, man.

I'm not blaming the ref on this. Lauren was defending herself. She was throwing back, but I think it's on the quarter like, throw that towel in, you know, and just be like, we got to, we got to protect her from herself. listen we saw this I understand and we saw it was Calvin Cater

with Max Holloway but Tyson Charnier was about to go in the town he was about to do it but the fact that Cater was responsive he was good

he was good he was good and Tyson did all the necessary things to make sure his fighter was safe and everything but listen

it's on the coaches in my opinion to like you know man you got to protect your fighter from themselves I know

at least now do you feel like it's always depending on the fighter. Is that the way to go? Do you think coaches have to do it if they're getting beat to a pop? 231 strikes is a lot. It's a lot to take.

You know, they're tough. Lauren Hill's tough. I understand that, but I think it's on the corner to actually defend their fighters. So what do you think about that whole situation? I know we talk about it so many times, but just want your thoughts on this particular situation. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, and so I've kind of thought about this. honestly the thing that stood out the most about what you said is you called

Lauren Murphy Lauren Hill just like my best friend AK did on onto the next one and it was hilarious I don't know man like I'm not gonna sit here and in trash Lauren Murphy I'm not a fighter like I'm not a fighter and I don't know like some of these are weird because there's so many different examples of this and And like to me, the Calvin Cater one, I never thought that fight should have been stopped. I know, like, I did, like, it was bad. But he was landing.

Like, Cater, Cater was landing shots. Cater landed more shots in that fight than any other fight he's ever been in. And what's crazy about Calvin Cater and the fallout of that fight was that what, what those guys in particular do with the cartel, the New England cartel is when the fight ends, they usually will go to the PI and they will get their brain, like they'll assess any damage to, like, the brain and the face and concussive type things.

And from what I understand, Cater, that, like, despite all the punches he took in that fight, his concussive state was in a better place after the hallway fight than like any other fight in his career. Maybe not the Arnold now in one because that didn't last very long, but the post damage was less after the Holloway fight, which is strange to think about. And my thought, and Casey agreed with me was, and I think Casey put it perfectly with the Cater fight he was, at that point in Calvin Cater's career, getting a fight like that, he

earned the right to take that beating. And that was the way I thought about it as well. There's other examples, like Chris Pettino, Chris Pettino versus Sean O'Malley. I mean, Sean, Sean beat the hell. Like, I would say that's a better example. That's probably a better example to examine than the Calvin Cater fight. Because Calvin was landing.

He wasn't landing at the same volume. Calvin was doing damage. Max Holloway went to the freaking hospital after that Calvin Cater fight, despite looking as good as he. he did. And the Mutineo one was a little bit different because Mutineo was just taking a beating. There are moments where he was landing. It seemed like Sean was going to finish him, but he just

toughed it out. And then the fight just kind of gets stopped with a minute left and Chris was pissed about it. And that, I remember just kind of the divisiveness about that stoppage. Did Chris, should the, should the ref have let Chris continue and just go the entire distance? Or was the referee right in just stopping the fight when he did? Because of the, I mean, it was just a one-sided win. Chris is a New England guy.

It was cool to see him get his opportunity in the UFC. But let's be honest, there was zero chance he was going to win that fight. He had no chance. It was over. And, Lord. Lauren, to her credit, kept throwing, but it just got worse. Like, the numbers are just scary. Like, they're really scary.

And if you listen on to the next one, I read Aaron Bronsetter's stat that he put up there, that the Zhang Wei, Yawani on Jacek flight, the first one, those two landed, I think it was like 191 head strikes over those five rounds. And Lauren Murphy took like 165. So it was like 30 less. Lauren Murphy took 30 less significant strikes to the head than Yawanna and Wei Lee combined in that five-round fight. That is a stunning statistic. It is a stunning statistic.

Do I think that fight should have been stopped? Yep, I do. And she can be mad at me if she wants and that's just me. But it's not, here's the thing. And I think it's tough for us to say this because we're not fighters. We're not in there putting it all on the line and training and sacrificing everything to get there. But that fight should have been stopped. It was getting uncomfortable in the third round.

Like I had, to me, if Lauren wanted to come out and start the third, like I actually, I didn't have a huge problem with it. Like, if they wanted to let her go out and start the third, that's fine. And a lot of people are like, well, I blame the corner or not the ref. I actually do blame the ref a little bit. I do blame the ref a little bit. To me, when a fight is just that one-sided, if the corner is getting what they need from Lauren,

much like the cater example, and Lauren, if you watch it, was responsive. She's bloody. She's battered. She was responsive. She was firing back. I think the referee has to step in and just be like, look, I'm cool letting you go out there and continue. But I'm putting you on a short leash because this is, it's bad.

I have to look out for you. So I'm going to put you on a short leash. You want to go out there if you could get in there and get your shots in cool. But if this gets a little crazy, I'm going to stop it. And Lauren went out there. And the beating was worse in the third round than any other, than any other round. There are multiple times throughout the third round. You can go back to the watch party where I'm like,

Stop the fucking fight. Just stop it. Laura would have been mad, but it's just getting uncomfortable. So does her corner deserve blame? Yeah, I do think so. We also have to remember that one of her corners is her husband. So when people say that the argument of, well, these people know her better than everybody else is flawed, yeah, I think there's some truth to that. but her main corner is her husband

who truly does know her better than anybody else and knows what makes her tick and knows all of that. So we got to put that into consideration as well. I don't think the referee is blameless in this. I really don't. I feel like the ref deserves a little bit of heat. And again, I don't,

I had no issue with her going out in the third. But the referee should have been like, all right, dude, like this gets out of line. Stop this thing. And the ref just let her take way more strikes in the third round than any of the others. So I think there's some blame. There's blame all around. No doubt about it.

But to say that the referee deserves none of the blame, I don't agree with that. I don't agree with it. In fact, I think it's kind of the referee's job to be like, all right, you want to start the third cool. But if she starts landing on you and you have no real. true respective response, then I'm stopping it. And he didn't. And it is what it is. I also think Lauren's a little frustrated, too.

Again, she sacrificed everything, went in there, felt like she could win. And she got, she got annihilated. I mean, it was just bad. She got 30, 25, 30, 24. I think part of it's just frustration, too. the frustration from losing a fight and all you hear about is people just not dogging you per se but dogging her husband because you got to remember like she's defending her her husband in this as well and if I got into a fight and my wife was and I lost and people are saying that my wife is a terrible

coach and she should not have allowed me to go out and continue to fight I would defend her even if I looked horrible. That's just who I am. So that's my different kind of take on it. I do think the fight should have been stopped. I do think a towel should have been thrown in. But I do not think the ref is blameless in this. I don't.

And we have to remember where Lawrence coming from. This isn't just, hey, I got three people in my corner. She also has her husband too. So when you're shitting on the corner, you're shitting on her husband. So I am not surprised that she is defending her husband. And with that, the rest of her corners. It's a different type of relationship. But, you know, and we saw it in the Glover fight too.

Like, saw Glover's corners, saw John Hackleman up there saying, eh, we should probably stop this one. And they didn't stop it. That one was a little kind of more egregious to me. I mean, in hindsight, Glover took Jamal Hill down. and mounted them. And I was nuts. It's freaking insane.

And I was like, I can't believe this is going to happen. Fifth round again, really? We didn't get the moment because Jamal Hill was able to battle back. But, I mean, you had a legit coach saying, should we stop this fight? And they were not all on the same page. So that was, it was just weird. The whole thing is weird. But that's why I take an alarm Murphy thing.

I think everybody's kind of. kind of to blame here. And, but I also understand why Lauren is fighting back. And why Lauren is protective of the corner because it's not just her corner, it's her family, it's her husband. It's just a whole different thing. That's just me. Maybe you think I'm wrong, but that's how I view it.

QP Prime. Hello. It was good, bro. What's that, man? How you doing? I'm in here on my birthday. early this morning. You know, I got to tune into my favorite show. Happy

birthday, man. I just want to say, like, I just want to ex-European, even though I watch you guys on the post-vite show and the pre-fight Q&A, I'm pretty sure you were like me, even though I liked Jamal Hill and I wanted him to win. I was like, even though he was

winning a 50, 40, or okay, a 49-46, I still, I still was like, really, like, every time he got him down and he got him that like that mounting position my heart rate was like like jumping on my chest just thinking like damn like so i'm saying this to say is that are we are we is it was was it more glover's age and and and um jamaul hill coming in younger and coming and actually prepare for the challenge and

just having worked on the stuff that he was lacking or do you think that jamaul hill is just that good and he was always just that good he just needed the opportunity it's an interesting question. To me, it's probably more of the latter. Honestly, it's probably more of the latter and less of the former, but I do think some of the former applies to you. I think what Glover had to go through in that Yuri fight took its toll 100%. The fact that Glover

survived five rounds with Yuri beaten his ass, and then five more rounds of Jamal Hill beating his ass. Like, this guy's not a human being. 100%. Having said that, I think we all understood that Jamal Hill was going to get to this point. And by the time he was ready,

and by the time like he, in a meritocratic world had earned his title shot, he was going to be ready and he was going to have a pretty good chance to win. We just didn't think it was that time yet. And I even looked like when I viewed the fight, I felt like Jamal Hill was playing with house money, where he took the fight on short notice, he did the UFC a favor,

he's going to Brazil to fight Brazil's hero, in a stylistic matchup, that I thought was really tough for him. But I also felt like because of all those things, that even if Jamal lost, his road back to a title is not going to be a very, long one. I didn't think so.

Like I thought a loss would sting, but it wouldn't hurt. And Jamal could just go in there and beat Jamal. And if he loses, so what? Not the end of the world. And what we saw was Jamal just going out there and just put it on them. I mean, it was, it was impressive. That's why I keep comparing it to the Garbrat win, because it just did not expect that to happen. A lot of the questions we had about him, he answered them. I have more,

no doubt about it, but it was his night. It was his night, and there were not a lot of guys at 205 on that night who were going to beat Jamal Hill. Dude's real good. He says some stupid things on Twitter. I'm not going to deny that. But boy, as a competitor on that night, Jamal Hill proved he belongs and he proved that he's the real deal. Now, what is, would I favor him to beat Yuri Poroshka in a fight? No.

Would I favor him to beat Maghabad Ankolaev in a fight? No. Would I favor it to be Anthony Smith? Yes. Would I favor him to beat Jan Behovich? Yes. Probably. Yon's a little different.

But I would probably still pick Jamal Hill. But he's still going to get better. Like this, this is a great performance. but we're going to see better versions of Jamal Hill. He's still a work in progress. But if that's what we're getting on the way up, holy shit. This guy's going to be real good.

I don't think anybody questioned him. I mean, people had questions about him as a fighter. But man, he delivered. What else can you say? Love him or hate him. Got to respect what he did on Saturday, because that was incredible. incredible performance.

And we'll see after his next fight how well that win ages. Bring in Viking MMA, perhaps. The wheels. Oh, there you go. I think we got him. Hello, Viking. I got kicked out of the list.

So thanks a lot for the opportunity. And I just want to talk about the stoppage. We all, you know, we all were talking about when Addisania and Alex Pera happened The former champ was not happy with the stoppage until he met Eugene Berman's It was the same Mark Gaudet was referring in that fight

The Glover and Jamal Hill You know and we were expecting An early stoppage in the Glover fight But God led Jamal Hill bit Glover badly and that damage was 10 times more than what Alex Paira was doing to add this ania. I don't care if fighter is fighting front of home crowd or not,

but that fight should have been stopped for sure. And please don't tell me that Glover was saying, let's fucking go at the beginning of the fifth round. If I'm not wrong, because, you know, he had time to recover at his call. honor. That was a lot of beating to the 43 years old man. If 30 years old Glover would have fought this in 2023, he would have, then Jamal would have taken the same punishment from Glover in my opinion. So my main question was about the referring of Mark Goddard and I just, I just wonder when he just visited India to, you know, to teach some coaches, MMA coaches over here.

I mean, I don't know what exactly he did teach them. Thanks a lot, Mike. Yeah, I saw this a lot. You know, how dare Mark Garder stop the Izzy fight, but not this one. I don't know. Like, this is why I'm not a ref because Mark's a great one. and because he's a great one, he gets put in these big spots. That's why he's reffing main events and title fights more often than not,

because he's one of the best in the world. I think it's Jason Herzog and Mark Goddard are like 1A and 1B, in my opinion. Having said that, Mark usually addresses, like, if there's an issue, Mark will address them to the best of his ability. So if people have an issue with it and they're tagging him on Twitter, he's not going to give like a full-on explanation, but he will at least respond and say, here's what I saw, this is why I did this.

But also, you have to think, you got the MMA community watching every move you make as a referee in these types of fights. So after the reaction that he got after UFC 281, you have to think, and I don't care how much of a veteran you are, it's somewhere in the back of your mind that, well,

I got absolutely hosed for this stoppage in November. Do I want to stop this too early? Like, am I going to get the same kind of heat? Like, there's got to, I'm not saying that's what happened here, but there's probably a little piece in the back of the brain of Mark Goddard that's like,

I don't need to deal with this right now and Glover was fighting back. He was hitting him. He took, like I said, he came out, the fifth, took him down, mounted him. We thought it was over. We thought it was over. We were saying, like, in our private slack,

that Glover's one takedown away from winning this fight. And he got it. And to Jamal Hill's credit, he survived and he won that fifth round. So, yeah, I was getting dicey. There were certain moments where Glover was rocked and he's up against the fence. and it looks like Mark was going to come in and stop it, and then Glover would land a big right hand

and send Jamal going backwards a little bit. So, yeah, it's weird. I didn't think the easy stoppage is that bad. I really didn't. Some people think it was like a deplorable stoppage. I actually didn't think it was that bad. I think he was, I think he was pretty much done. I mean, he was getting lit up.

The body language is horrendous. And I know Glover had moments of it as well, but I didn't think that stoppage was, was that awful. I really didn't. All right, let's go to Tom. Tom, what's up, ma'am? Particularly on the referee side of things, the one thing we will never see is the fighters day in, day out, every day in the week to the fight and in previous fights. We won't see the dilation of the pupils. We won't hear the breathing patterns.

we won't see the general kind of tension in certain key areas of muscles, ligaments that indicate, you know, trauma. And so, you know, it's an impossible art, but it is an art for, nonetheless, referee, these bouts. And I don't think too much criticism can be thrown Mark's way. The question I had for you, Mr. Hatt, was this. The face-off that I saw in the, in the... the advertisements for 284.

They're going in there, Macachev and the Volk, they're going in there at a similar weight. There's a bigger than I thought height disparity. Therefore, the Volk is packing the weight somewhere and I think a lot of that is in his thighs and derrier. Could that potentially negate one of Macaachev's biggest strengths in terms of takedowns.

And is this fight closer than we think on paper? It's a great question. If you've looked at Volk on social media, I mean, his legs are, I mean, he's in damn good shape. He's putting on some muscle.

No doubt about it. His legs are fucking huge. Yeah, could. I mean, Makachev is just, I feel like Makachev can take down anybody. Like if Makachev fought, you know, if Makachchev went up to 170 and fought Usman or Colby, like I think Makachchev could take both of them down in a fight.

Even though they're like highly decorated wrestlers, good defenders, both have great defensive wrestling. Like Usman hadn't. Usman's only been taken down once in his career if, and it was by Leon Edwards. But I think if he fought Makachukchuk, like Machachov would get him. down at some point. That's just who he is. I think the lower center of gravity and having that extra muscle is going to certainly help Volk, but at some point in this fight, he's going to get taken down. He's probably going to get taken down in every round. But it's just, can he get back up?

That's the questions I have. Like, it's not, the question is, will he or will he not take Volk down? Because he's going to take him down. I don't care who you are. And I said, than about anytime Habib fought anybody. Like, I don't care how good your wrestling is. That dude is going to get you down. He took Justin Gagey down, and Justin's a really good defensive wrestling. It does not matter. He will take him down.

But how do you deal with it when you have that gorilla on top of you who is so good with position? He's so good with improving his offensive guard and his spots and And it's just so intelligence, so patient in those aspects. But Volk is just, he's a freak. I think it's a close fight anyways. Like take that out of the equation. Volk's going to get taken down.

And I think he knows that. But he's also prepared to not, he's prepared to not freak out, not make mistakes. He's going to be smart with him. He's going to play chess instead of checkers. And I think there's going to be a lot of occasions where Volk's going to be able to get back up.

How will Mokachev deal with that? I don't know. It's a fascinating fight. I think Volk's going to, I think Islam is going to win. But I think Volk is very live in this fight. I think I do, to answer your second question, yes, I think this fight is a lot closer than people think it's going to be. But I do think Mokachev's going to win.

Let's go to Patrick. What's up, Patrick? Are you there, Patrick? You are not. Okay, try again. Let's go to, where are we? Let's go to Crypto. And I will go to Real Fact-E-Facts.

Crypto, what's up? Good. Yeah, Mike. So I just want you take on this. Is this the last time we will see a UFC event in Brazil? for a long time. I mean, given how the crowd behaved, Mike, I don't know. It was horrendous. There was a bunch of things that you could basically bring up in this discussion, but the two main things, I mean, the way they treated Moreno. I mean, he's the nicest guy ever. Like,

even if you're a figurato fan, why would you throw drinks and bottles at him on his way out and also not giving him the opportunity to speak after winning the fight? I mean, you just, you have to be an evil person. I mean, this is a guy that plays with Legos, for God's sake, during his spare time. He's the nicest guy ever. I mean, it's just a new level of evil as a fight fan if you decide to throw drinks and bottles at him. And after that, Mike, I was like, all right, this cannot get worse. Like, okay, this is the pinnacle of a bad crowd.

It can only get better. But seeing Glover, after his fight, seeing his interview inside the octagon where the place is empty. There's not a single person. There's no one there. And seeing Glover asking the audience not to throw drinks at Jamal Hill was just so sad because there was no one there. There was not a person that could throw a drink. It was absolutely empty. You could see two people in the background.

I think, I don't know, one of them was probably a staff member. I was starting to clean the place up. I mean, it was just so sad to see. You have this national treasure where the Glover is speaking, and the place is just empty. It's just weary. It just looks so strange. And you could actually, I mean, you could hear the crowd in the background,

but that was some type of, I don't know, fake cheer layover sound bit that the UFC did because it was absolutely empty. There was no one there. Is this the worst crowd ever? And listen, I'm not saying that the Brazilian crowd or Brazilian fans are bad. But what I am saying, Mike, is that the people that can afford to go to these events are not the people we want to see. It was absolutely terrible. I think it's time to take a break from UFC Brazil for at least three years or something because this is unacceptable.

It was so sad. It broke my heart, Mike. What's your take on that? Should we avoid Brazil for a couple of years or not? Thanks man. I mean, we just, they just did for like almost four years if they hadn't had a crowd. So maybe that's a part of it too. But to answer your question, do they go back to Brazil? I'll pose another question. Do you remember what happened the last time the UFC had a car to Mexico? Do you remember that? What happened there? I'll tell you what happened. Brendan Fitzgerald's under his freaking broadcast desk, cover it up his head because there's, shit being thrown all in the octagon because of an eye poke. Where does the UFC want to go back as fast as possible? Mexico.

They'll be back. They'll be back. I mean, we also have to look at things through like different lenses too. Like this is, fight fans going to watch Glover Tashara fight in a main event for a championship is like me going to a Patriots playoff game

and what I mean by that is if I go to a Patriots playoff game and they're just getting the doors blown off them like if it's the fourth quarter and they're down like 37 and nothing like what am I to stay for? Like why would I stay? Even if I think there's a chance

like Tom Brady's going to get on the mic he's not there anymore but you know this is what I'm trying to say. Even though I think, you know, is Tom Brady going to get on the microphone and say he's going to retire from the sport? I don't, like, honestly, I wouldn't even care because I'm just like, this is stupid, 37 and nothing. Like, I'm out of here. Can't get out of here fast enough. It's a similar thing here.

And it's just different places, different times, different followings. The crowd was not great. I also don't think, I don't remember even hearing. what the numbers were or the UFC calling this a sellout because from all indications this is not a sellout. So I hope they don't continue to play this. Well, we've got like 97 consecutive sellouts because this one doesn't seem like a sellout.

But it is what it is. They weren't great. It's a tough knife for him. Figgie loses. I mean, he got kind of sparked. Glover got, it was just a one-sided beating. A lot of the Brazilian fighters, I mean, had moments, but were accounted. They were both pretty decisive losses.

So, yeah, no excuse, but that's probably why after the Glover fight that it was empty is because they were probably gone after like the third round, because most people felt like it was a rap at that point. So, yeah, I don't know. But yes, they will be back. I bet they'll be back next year. Let's go to Anish. Anish you there. Okay, nothing there.

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Who do you see being a good? good fight in the top 10 for him. I'm struggling to see him do well in the Bamboy division. And then what does that mean for Henry Sehudo? Because Davidson said that he didn't want to he didn't want to fight Sehudo. So does

that mean Sehudo's not coming back or what do you think? That's all. Thanks. Well, I mean I'm sure, like I'm sure Fingie thought he was going to win anyway, so maybe he didn't think it was beside. Basically you said like I'm going up to 135 no matter what happens here.

But if Henry is the champion, then I'm not going out to 135. I'll just kind of stick around here. But I don't think Davidson needs to really worry about that because I don't think his move to 35 is going to go particularly well for him. He's certainly going to have trouble with the top seven or eight guys. So my suggestion was, I mean, I love the Cody Garbrand idea. I know Cody's got a fight coming up. and he's booked.

So that's not a bad one. He's up, like, Davis is not 28. He's 36, essentially. He's got miles on him. I don't think a title run is in him at 35. But my pick for his first fight, because I don't think he should have to fight. Cody would be there because they were booked before,

and I just think it would be a fun fight. But if Davidson wants to go in there and fight a top 10 guy, I think he should, and I think he deserves that opportunity. So my pick was the loser of the Corey Sanhagen Cheetah Barra fight. Whoever lose that fight, go fight Figgi. That's my pick, but there's really no real wrong answer to this question other than giving him a title fight or giving him O'Malley or anything like that.

let's go to Mah Fu Mafu you there How you doing? Good good good So I was listening to you talk about Who could fight on the light heavyweight And stepped up

I think there's a guy who's quietly going about his business But I think he's actually quite good enough for it Khalil Roundtree What a beast Because I became a big fan of his After the Eric Anders fight So I'm wondering

at what point do you think he gets a title fight if ever? Thanks. That's a great. Yeah, you're welcome. He's, I mean, he's a ways away. Let's, let's be honest. Let me just pull up his, let me just pull up his resume real quick. Let's see where he's at here.

So he's got three wins in a row, which is pretty good. Modestis Bacoscus, no longer in the UFC. Carl Roberson no longer in the UFC. Dustin Jacoby's a good win, but a lot of people felt like Jacoby won that fight. And then prior to that, he lost Martin Prachio. He got finished by Iwan Kuchelaba. Johnny Walker finished him in under two minutes.

He's on a nice run right now, but he's got a long way to go. And he's a positive presence in the space. No doubt about that. But... I'm going to pull up my rank. I think I have him at like 16 or 17. I mean, he should get a step up. Who that is?

I don't know. Maybe throw him in there with like Volcano Ozedabia or something. I'd be okay with that. And just test him a little bit more. But I think his road to getting to the belt is going to be a pretty long one. I like Khal, though. When Khalil is on, he's a scary cat. But there are oftentimes where, like, he's coming off the Eric Anders fight.

you're like, oh my God, this dude's a world beater. Like, Khalio Roundtree. And then he goes and gets finished by Yuan Kuchelaba the next fight. And then loses to Marching Pratch Neo the fight after that. So nice to see him getting consistent. But yeah, he's got he's got work to do. Emsolia. Hello, what's up, man?

How you doing? Good. I'm good. So I've got two things to ask you. The first question is, is there any update news on Robert Whitaker and Benio Darius, scheduled to fight anytime soon. And my second question is how would a potential fight between

Al Jermaine Stirling and Alexander Volcanozky playoff? Thanks man, have a good day. Second one's tough. I mean, I'm picking Volcanowski against pretty much everybody right now at 1.45. Even though I think Aljo doesn't get enough credit,

I just feel like Volk is just that much better than most of those guys. I'm not picking Volk to beat Mokachev. I think that's one of the fights that he's going to struggle with stylistically. But if Volk wins that fight, I think he beats a lot of those guys at 55. B'Neil, I'm not sure. We haven't really heard much. Charles Olivaire saying that he's booked for a fight.

One would assume that that's the direction they would want to go. I can't see Darius being like, no, I'm not fighting Charles Olivera. Like, that's the fight that gets them over the top. So I wouldn't be shocked at that one was made. Whitaker's interesting, kind of up in the air. I don't know what they're going to do with them. With this cost of fight falling through. And if you saw the main card line up, that 284 card,

as cool as that main event is, that one's not great. It's not a great main card. I love me pocket. I love me some Paco Porter. You know that. You know that. I'm a Paco Porter fan.

But he's on the main card of a pay-per-view. I love the guy. But I don't know. That was kind of, that kind of tells you about this card and where we're at. But Whitaker's probably just going to play the patience game right now. Because we don't know when I of Sonny's coming back. We have no main event for April yet. We have no main event for May yet.

And what if Adasani is not ready to go until like July or August? And Pereira is like, I want to fight. Who's the first person they're going to call? Robert Whitaker. So I have heard nothing on either guy. I have no insight to this at all. But my assumption, without any knowledge, so don't be going to report. Don't be reporting.

Mike Heck said this. This is my guess. We'll get Olivera versus Daruette at some point. That's my guess. Not true. Not reporting anything. That's my guess. And then Whitaker, I don't know.

Either they get Costa re-signed and locked up with a deal that Costa likes, and then they do the Whitaker fight or maybe Whitaker fights Pereira for the belt. I don't know. We shall see. King Moe official. Hello. Are you there? Yeah, I'm there. Hi.

How are you? Good. How are you? Yeah, I'm quite good. Thank you. So my question was like, I was asking like there is no another news about like new contract and that because like being seen it like because different countries, you know, got like the opportunity to be fighting for like going through for World Champion or some stuff like that or got a contract with big clubs if that makes sense to you. What do you mean? Like you got like different country like saying like my country or something like that people like in Middle East and these places.

You got like proper nice fighter and like strong fighter. and that but he got no opportunity or chances to go like a proper like contracts with big club and that or even like try to sign for a big club saying like if he won champion these places and that

they try like to get a contract or something like that but he couldn't yeah it's only like for Europe and that but you can find like people in different country saying like Middle East and that like because like I've been fighting like in the Middle East you know what I mean like you see like tough guys and that, but only if you go, like, you live in a different country, like, say,

in Europe, you can have, like, a nice contract or you can fight. You know what I mean? Yeah. So this is what my question is, like, there is no another, like, new contract for different places, like, like, you need to make, like, mix martial art, like, or people, like, big clubs and that you have to make mixed martial out all over the world, isn't it? Because they're saying, and people fighting, he's being going to be, like, a world champion in it you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I hear you say. So there's not any news about like putting like new chances with different city, different people. I mean, it's tough, man. And I appreciate you chiming in. The sport, what people sometimes forget is that as big as this sport has gotten and seeing where we have come from,

from 30 years ago to where the sport is at today, most notably the UFC, it's still a baby. Like this sport is like an infant's child compared to the rest of them. Everyone's still kind of learning. The sport is evolving not just individually with the fighters,

but from a global perspective as well. Like we're talking about, if we're, in 1993, the talks about the UFC B, regulated and being approved across the world, essentially, and possibly having flights in Africa and all these different countries around the world, like, no one thought this is possible. And now here we are. So I guess to answer your question, I think we're getting there.

Like France is now approved and like some of these other spots that weren't getting any sort of notoriety when it comes to the sport. they're all getting their day in court, so to speak, and they all are getting their opportunity. So I would not rule out anything in terms of expansion and where things could go, where fighters, you know, where scouts, if you will, matchmakers will scout out different kinds of talent,

especially with all these shows they have right now. They have the contender series. They got the ultimate fighter, no matter how I feel about that stupid show. but there are opportunities. And in some parts of the world, it's a little tougher. I mean, it's 100% true. But a lot of these places that are getting notoriety in the sport now,

just look at where like Australia was eight years ago. And now look at where they're at. It comes in waves. And the sport, like I said, is still kind of a baby. So we're getting there. We're getting there. Four Corner Sports. Hello.

Hey, Mike. Are you hearing? Yeah, I got you. Cool, cool. So I wanted to talk about a couple things. One, the Bonfine brothers, those guys legit. I thought that Terence was in a goal, you know, how he did against Drew the Over, just, you know, go cycle on, was an itchman of Bonfine,

but it was a little weird to see him be, like, a little bit hesitant and, you know, stagnant for, like, the first, you know, a couple of times. I guess he was trying to get a good read on Ishmael Bonfine, but the Bonfine brothers, wow, I was pretty amazed on how they did. I was more amazed on Ishmaelma Bonf Team as opposed to Gabriel, just because I felt like Terrence is more of a higher caliber of a fighter as opposed to, I can't pronounce his name, Menez. LaZaz. I wanted to talk about, what's the curve card. So I chimed in when you were talking about Volkanowski versus Ishmajahev. Now, I do agree.

I feel like what's the call Volkanowski would just start. Anybody at 145. Maybe, what's it called, the person I'm giving them the most trouble. It will be Ilya to feel like after this fight between him and Mahashav, I think that he's going to say at 155. And if it's okay, I want to give like an early, what's it called, the Otno pick, who I feel like

is going to be the winners of losers. Now, I don't know who's going to win or lose, but I will say this. If Volcanowski does lose, Mike, what do you think about this matchup? Volcanowski versus Dustin Poria at 155. And for Mahashev, I feel like if you lose this, you got to make it

Benil versus Mahashev. I feel like we were supposed to see that at one point. I don't know if we're going to see that any point soon, you know, especially with the rumors of him versus Charles. or Vinio Darius versus Charles, but I don't know. I feel that, you know, Volkanowski is great. You know, there's a reason that he's won 22 fights in a row.

And but I just think that Mahashav is going to, you know, exploit, you know, the differences of weight. And, you know, he just might be too good for him. You know, I mean, what's the call? You saw he was able to stop Olivera with the striking and then utilize the wrestling. So I don't know. What do you guys think? Thanks, Mike.

Thanks, man. Yeah, it's an interesting fight. It's hard for me to, like, predict it right now. Because my gut's not really telling me anything other than Mokachev will find a way to win. But I'm very, I'm intrigued by it. And, I mean, Porre could be in play for either guy, I think. But if Volk, if Volk loses to Mokachev, he's going to, he's going to just stay at 45. but if he wins, I don't think there's any valid reason why he would go back down to 45.

Like, why, unless he's just the most competitive guy on the planet and just really wants to compete and money is nothing to him, then you can go back down. But like, I just, if he wins the lightweight title, if he beats Islam Makachas, it wins the belt, all the biggest fights possible for him are at 55. Porre, Gaichy, Connor, Chandler, Olivera. Like, all of those names are far more fascinating to me than Josh Emmett, Yaya Rodriguez. No disrespect to them. Ilya at some point's interesting. He's not there yet. I hope they book him against Arnold Allen, although the rumors that he's going to fight Max Holloway in London.

Which, by the way, is there's smoke to that fire. And from what I understand, the UFC is hoping to book that one later, maybe the next couple months. But not done yet. But that, those reports of Alan Holloway were legit before we got Gai chief of Zeefe. They were, they were legit. And I hate that fight. I hate everything about it. That's not true.

I don't hate everything about it. I love the fight by itself, but I hate the fight now for Arnold Allen. Because if he loses, now what? Max Holloway just kills off all these contenders. But for, like, and for what? Like, I guess, like, Max could, they could do that, and Max can just hope that Volk wins the lightweight title and then just leaves the division. but I just

I don't like Max in that spot at all Arnold Allen I'm not really at Topori is far more interesting and it helps out the division a lot more than Arnold Allen versus Max Holloway because like Allen could win

sure but I would probably pick Max Holloway to win that fight and then you're just killing off Arnold Allen as a contender right now and I'm not ready to see that if he wins, great. but it's a risky fight. It's a risky fight for a division that needs contenders badly.

And as much as I give credit to the matchmakers for how they matchmake these divisions, the other way, it's been tough. I don't blame Volcanowski one bit for his attitude in building contenders and finding the guy to separate himself for him to fight. That's why he's going up to 55. That's why I have no issue with him doing it now. because we have nobody else. Emmett and Yair are going to fight,

but Volk's probably going to beat both of those guys. So I don't know. Alan Holloway, by, like, in a vacuum, just as a fight is phenomenal. It's incredible. But in terms of building up this division, a Max Holloway beats Arnold Allen, then, Jesus, not what?

We could throw Tepore you in there with Max next? Like whoever beats Max gets a title shot? I don't like that strategy. Let's go to Brad. Hey, Brad. Hey, Mike, what's going on? So I got Stu, I think, interesting questions, but they're completely unrelated, so just bear with me. Sure.

So obviously, Kavanaugh was on with Ariel this week. Yeah, one day. And, you know, there's talks of Connor potentially coming back this year. What weight class do you see in how he's a tank now? What weight class do you see him fighting at? you think that he's fighting for titles or is it just going to be like money fights and then secondarily power slap what are your overall thoughts on it why do you think the ufc is doing it thanks mike um Connor

weight class probably I don't know he'll probably uh his first fire would probably 170 because who cares right he's like like he's not coming back to a title fight. It's just not happening, especially at 155. There's too many contenders. I know Connor sort of eclipses all MMA math altogether, but in certain cases, you get to draw the line somewhere. And Connor doesn't need to be fighting for belts anyways. Connor comes back in fights. He's the main event against whoever it is. So I love the, I like the Chandler idea. I'm cool. A few fights, Mazadol, because that's just a fight with two dudes who are just going to get after it. There's no real stakes.

and from all indications, Connor has two fights left on his deal and just go do fun fights, make some money, and then get your ass out of there and go fight Nate Diaz for the third time and make all the money. And I think the UFC's probably aware

that's possibility, so who knows if they try to lock them down. Power slap, you're asking the wrong guy. I will not watch anything on that. I don't support it in any way. We're not covering it. covering it in any way.

The only thing we're covering with PowerSlep since this whole thing happened with Dana was the horrendously laughable ratings they got on the first episode. I mean, that's just bad. That's just bad, bad. Especially when AW handed you a million people. Like, they handed you a million people.

And you couldn't keep a third of them. awful. Yeah, it's a disaster. It's horrible. Zero interest. And it's not just because it's Dana. I mean, the timing of this is even worse than the actual product. But even if this is Scott Coker's Power Slap League, I ain't watching it either.

It's just stupid. It's just stupid. Now, the fighters, I don't blame them, or the slappers, if you will. I mean, if this is how they make money. Although we saw Eric Spicely put out yesterday that he was offered two and two to fight in that poor shit. So, I mean, I have many things I could say about this, how this is being handled. And I don't know this for a fact, but it seems to me like this has to be,

this has to be a cash vibe. Like it has to be a cash vibe of the UFC. I don't think this is something where TBS is like, oh, you know, know this is a brilliant idea. Here's $100 million hosted on our network. No, I don't think that's the case at all. I think they worked out something where they had an open slot

and the UFC is probably paying TBS to broadcast this because that's the only thing that makes any sense to me, especially after what happened on AEW last week where AEW wanted to do a tribute to Jay Briscoe, the wrestler who tragically passed away

in a car crash who meant everything to a lot of these people in the company and they refused to allow AEW to a tribute to Jay Brisco because of something Jay tweeted many, many, many years ago

that he has made amends for and he has shown contrition for they didn't allow that to happen but then we start the Power Slap thing two weeks after Dana's on video slapping his wife,

and it's Dana promoting how awesome it is to slap the shit out of somebody. That was like it for me. Like any, I had maybe zero, I had like 0.000, 0.001% intrigue in the product. And then after that whole thing happened, I mean, I'm negative now. I hope this thing, I hope this thing is killed off week three. I just don't see a market for it. I just don't. I mean,

getting those ratings after all the promotion that went into that and coming up with that number, who, I mean, that's, it's just horrendous.

Patrick, do we have you? Take a couple more. Yes, I'm here. What's that man? So, is it crazy to think

that we are still sleeping on Jamal Hill here? I mean, he just beat the brakes off of Glover for five rounds, worse than John Jones did. I mean, six months ago,

this is a Glover that was up 3-1 and, walking through Uri Pro Hocca. I mean, it was a great fight. Don't get me wrong. But scorecards-wise, Glover probably would have won that around 4-1.

It wasn't going to be a close fight. Jamal had a ridiculously impressive performance, and we still have people here saying that he's fresh meat for this light heavyweight division. And he put on, I mean, a better performance than anyone thought he could, a better performance than, I mean, I think he even expected he would. And I just don't know how we're still sitting here acting like Jamal Hill. isn't a real champion.

Also, what do you feel about a potential fight with Brian Ortega and Al Jermaine Sterling in the future? That's it. Thank you. Yeah, Ortega Sterling would be fun. I'd be intrigued to watch that. The Hill one's tricky because and it's not really his fault. It's actually the UFC's fault.

They screwed the pooch here. And I know it was, presented, and we've talked about this before, I know it was presented in a way where it made Yeri Pahashka look like a martial arts legend,

presenting it as if Yuri Pajshka on his own accord called the UFC up and said, I'm injured, but I don't want this division to suffer because of my injury. So I'm just going to hand you back the belt. I don't think that's the case. I really don't. I think the

UFC said, holy crap, UFC 282 is coming up. We need a made events. We have no title fights. So, Yuri, I'm going to have to take that title off of you, but we'll present it in the same way

that you just gave it to us. Because it's still at this point, even in January, makes no sense that Yuri got the title taken away from him. Like, why? Why is Yere vacating the belt? It makes zero sense.

And what you have done is you've created a pretty tough situation for Jamal Hill because let's just say you just made that, let's just say you made the 282 main event for the vacant, or for the interim title. Yeri's hurt, we're going to do an interim title. No one would have complained about that, by the way. And then we don't have an interim champion, so we just did Jamal Hill versus Glover,

share for the interim title. Do you think we'd be having the same conversation right now? Because I don't. We'd be getting excited for Jamal Hill versus Yuri Parashka for the undisputed title. That's what we'd be getting excited for. Instead, we took the belt from Yuri for no reason. No reason. He's saying he's going to be back in July or August.

They were 50-50 resigning Francis and Ghanu, and they let him keep the title the entire time until he said no to them in January, a year later. But Yuri hurts his shoulder. Yuri says, I'm going to be back at six months. And we don't know if that's true or not. But if he says it, why take the title from him? But instead, now, Jamal is the champion, even though Yuri is saying, I'm going to come back later this summer.

It's just so dumb. Like if you just didn't strip him to the belt, and Yuri is still the champ in waiting and you had Jamal Hill fight Glover to Chera for the interim title Jamal's stock as a fighter is super high right now because of that performance and there's no conversation about whether or not he's the real champion or not the real champion or is he the best laid heavy way in the world?

Is he not the best layover in the world? You put him in kind of a tough spot through no fault of his own. So I think the UFC screwed this up. And the narrative is now painted that he's not the champ. He's the undisputed champion. He's, he's Daniel Cormier. While John Jones is stripped of the title. Like, it's just, Jamal didn't deserve that.

Like, he didn't deserve to be in that spot. So do I think people are sleeping on? Yeah. I'll come out. and say it. We had our, we had our, new rankings come out. I, Jamal Hill is number four. I have Jamal Hill at number four. Because I still have questions. I'm not sleeping on the man. He's better than I thought. I thought he could be Glover. I just didn't think he'd, he'd Garbrant Glover the way that he did. It was incredible. It blew me away. Blew me away. Fantastic showing. But right now, if he fights

Yuri Phrashka, I'm picking Yuri. Right now, if he fights Vadim Nemcoff, I'm picking Vadim Nemcoff. Right now, if he fights Maghama and Goliath, I'm picking Maghman and Goliath. We just have questions. And as impressive as this win is, we're not going to know how good this win actually is until he fights again. Then we'll know. Then we'll have a better grasp on how this one ages.

Was it because Glover had a foot out the door? And it seemed to me, after 283, that Glover is walking away anyways. Even if he won the belt, I think he was going to retire. Seems like it. Seems like his decision was made. And it seemed like the reason they didn't stop the fight in the fifth round is because they knew everybody was aware he was walking away. So, yeah, Jamal got painted into a tough corner. I still have many questions.

And I knew that Jamal would. get to this point at some point. I just didn't think it would happen this quick, especially after the Tiago Santos fight. Yeah, he won, but it wasn't a great performance. And the Paul Craig fight, which wasn't that long ago. But man, did he evolve and make adjustments super quick? And respect. respect to his team and him as a fighter because that was that was incredible Jonathan hello Hey my one second to the office okay so

hello can you hear me I got you yeah so I wanted to talk about two things really I was seeing a lot of discourse on like the whole like Brazilian fans leaving the whole arena and and pretty much glover is speaking into a you know like an empty arena I don't think people really realize that the arena is located in a terrible place and on top of

that the transportation in Brazil stopped at 3 a.m. and and the main event was at like 4 or 5 a.m. So that's pretty much why everyone pretty much left after Figuke lost. So just want to explain that because I don't think anybody

pretty much knew that that was a thing that happened in Brazil. Okay. Yeah, so I don't know. It was just a weird thing to me that like people were saying like Brazilian fans are trash and terrible because they just leave. It's like, bro, like nobody can get home since all the public transportation stops at 30.

Right. No, I get what you're coming from. And I think, I don't think they're calling the fans that are there trash because they left early. I think they were calling them trash because they were throwing trash at Brandon Moreno, who just beat Davis of Figurato. cleanly and soundly and all of that stuff. So there's no, yeah, there's no negativity. Like Marino just beat, beat them and finished them, stopped them.

I know the stoppage seemed a little weird. Some people that cut was nasty. And that fight wasn't going to get any better for Figgi. So they're just mad and they're taking on a Brandon Marino. That's why people thought they were trash. More than anything is because how they treated Brandon Marino. Reno after a tremendous performance. And then, yeah, I heard a lot of the same things that traffic and transportation out of

that arena was a nightmare. I didn't realize, like, how bad the area was that they're having the event in. But I did hear that worst case in there, traffic was just a nightmare getting out of there. And trust me, as somebody who lived in Boston most of my life and going to to sporting events in Boston or just outside of it most of my life, I understand. I understand the mentality of, well, if we stay for these last five minutes, we're going to be sitting in traffic for five hours. Or if we leave now, we only sit in traffic for an hour. I don't want to miss the rest, but I don't want to get home at 6 a.m. So, yeah, I get that.

but I think more the negativity comes from people just acting like assholes and throwing beers and garbage at the nicest fighter maybe of all time. So all right. Well, I appreciate all of you. I need to get out of here. A very busy day. Lots of interviews coming up that I have to do. Other things going on as well.

Some meetings with the peeps. All of that. wonderful stuff. So appreciate you. Man, my voice is toast. So I'm glad I'm getting tomorrow off to not have to talk at all. But thank you all very much. You're the best. Back here

Thursday, 10 a.m. Eastern will do it again. And by the way, I'm not going to tell you what it is yet. But BTL is going to be superb on Thursday. It will be a competitive matchup. It will not be a one-on-one.

talking heads thing. Although I've enjoyed doing it, we're going to have a matchup, and it's going to be a delight. And I think you're all going to like it. So more on that on Thursday. But thank you all very much. Have a great rest of the day. And as always, have a heck of a morning. To the Vox Media Podcast Network. Okay. Only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first, there, the last one.

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